Improve your accuracy and precision by choosing the right style of targets
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- Testing shoot and see type reactive targets for extreme range target shooting
what are my favourite targets and which ones do i avoid..?
here i cover a selection of different target styles that will help improve accuracy and precision.
some targets are very distracting and get torn up very easily giving the impression of worse groups.
i use the putty lined silent pellet trap to collect and diagnose the groups and compare them to the results on paper. the cards often lie!
i shoot out at 50metres in a strong wind to test the grouping of a fresh batch of jsb heavies whuch are my favoured pellet for long range target shooting
the rifle is an air arms xti50 coupled with an arken optics ep5 5-25x56
You certainly make me think. Well now I have some new things to test. Thank you and keep it up!
That's the whole point of the channel mate 😉 we can all try new things and learn some new stuff..
I hate larger red center dots. The smaller, the better. I found some 2 inch shoot and see targets, and the center dot is about the same size as a .22 pellet. Those are the best targets.
I'm a target shooter (club, county, inter-county), for accuracy you offset the aim point on any target, so that the aim point is never obscured by the holes you make in the target, so basically the aim point is always fresh. Just change the aim point on a different type of target.
Try the splatter burst shoot & see, way better than the one's you are using. Another good review keep them coming.
Interesting video turns out that the target can be a bit misleading to actual group size.. Nice to see you back out at the longer ranges hopefully summer will kick in any day now
It's been so windy mate, as soon as it drops a bit ill be out in the back field.. got a lot of new challenges at the long ranges to try
I experience exactly the same as you; the busier the target the worse my groups. As far as the target giving a true representation is concerned, I've found the target material makes a big difference; the thinner the paper or card the worse the groups look predominantly down to tearing. I have a box of BSA 17cm targets from the 80s meant for 6 yard and 10 metre pistol shooting that are made of a very grainy yellowish brown card. My pellets always puncture these with very clean holes and they never tear. The current BSA targets are normal white card like all the rest and don't perform the same. I wish you could still get the old style ones. For best results when testing I always return to a 5-6mm sharpie dot on a cut piece of corrugated cardboard from a 'Hello Fresh' or 'Tails' box! Keeping it simple. 😀👍
It's funny eh mate, with all the modern stuff we always end up back on a small dot target for best results. You ought to try the circular targets though. I find it way easier to be consistent. The reactive targets do look good on film though...
Oh, another tip, I use 10 metre tiny targets for practice at 25 yards and 50 metres, because when you practice on a much smaller target, the competition targets appear to be easy (psychology).
Hi Tilly, I’ve just started using these small sticky targets, might be what you’re looking for
Self-adhesive Fluorescent Orange Color lets you see a sharper sight picture, Target Spots 5cm, 250 targets （10x25)
High visibility black or red color will immediately notify you hit or miss. It is also suitable for sticking onto other targets, amazon
Awesome thanks mate I'll check them out 😉
Thanks again, interesting stuff there. Hoping you can get round to some cheap/intermediate rifle testing at some point, always easier to try a mod on something that isnt heirloom value ! All the best Keith
I've a bunch of new guns on order mate. Some should prove to be very capable for not much money... hopefully 😉
Thank you. I sure hope the weather turns for you. It's wonderful here. Blue sky, light breeze and in the 70's. Spring time in Charleston S. C. I just ordered some red 1/4 round stickers. I am going to mount them on cardboard and give them a go at 30 yards. All the best to you ,Tommy.
Hi mate, it sounds lovely over there. We did get a momentary break in the wind the other day, managed to run some targets back out to 100yds. It went absolutely fantastically but it's back cold wet and really windy again ☹️
Interesting to see the pellet stack behind in comparison to the holes in the paper. I shoot into a bundle of rags, so have never considered that before. I have a load of templates on the computer and print off my own for most of the shooting I do, but I have found it easy to lose the cross hairs with some types of targets. Cheers for the video 👍👍
Fortunately for me I work as a printer and create my own targets. At 35 yards I use a white card with 30mm circles printed with a black circle 1mm thickness outline and a 6mm centre red dot with a white x in the middle of the dot. I use card that is 450mm x 320mm which gives around 40 individual targets per sheet. The most important factor I have found in making these is the weight of the card. I use a 350gsm bright white Matt card which is considerably heavier than the card used for commercially printed targets. There tear out I get with this card is minimal so get a much better indicator of group sizes. I’ve even tried laminating the backs of the which reduces the tearing to almost non existent. This is unfortunately a double edged sword as it reveals how well or badly you are grouping your shots. After using these I no longer buy shoot and see stickers as what seems like a really good group is in reality not.
You'll find with that Newtonian backing that the pellets will group together when they hit it, since earlier pellets will 'give' and the Newtonian backing will not.
In target shooting you have a white backing board about 2ft behind the target board, so that the holes in the target are highlighted from behind in white, since the projectile drops behind the target board before making a hole in the backing board.
What’s Newtonian backing? Goggle’d it but nothing comes up
@@mikeyb9819 I think he means "non Newtonian" eg: a material that does not really conform to being a proper solid or a liquid, its sort of inbetween and includes non setting materials like putty, etc. 8-)
I got those. Were cheap. Good for sticking anywhere and plinking for the young ones :D.
Great vid. The best thing to do is put a piece of cardboard of something link that behind the shoot and see target, they way the paper doesn’t move too much when the pellets hit…..that would work great with your putty trap.
As regards targets, ISSF (NSRA) Targets are probably the best option (with a white backing board) for air rifle, although I don't shoot air rifle beyond 25 yards in competition, I do zero the rabbit rifle to 30 yards. The reason being that they are available in appropriate regulated sizes from 10 metres through to 100 yards, and all look the same, although scoring changes beyond 25 yards (25 yards score is inwards). I also shoot WBSF (UKBRA) Targets with rimfire at 100 yards under different rules, and also centrefire WBSF Targets are different again at greater distances to 1000 yards.
Mini Rifle (25 yard multiple timed and accuracy) and Running Boar (50 metres and moving) are different again, and Practical Shotgun is usually steel.
I have used Shoot-n-C, but they are designed for firearms not pellets, and effectively become used after a very short while due to ripping/tearing, ISSF (NSRA) Targets are made from a paper that does not tear, so you can place 10 rounds on a 100 yard target and can still score them accurately. 50 metres cards can either be ten individual targets, or two five shot targets.
From a bloke who draws different sized circles (depending on distance) on empty cereal boxes and puts one pellet in each. ( I try to anyways ;) ) Interesting how those pellets seem to stack up in spite of the holes on the actual target... Personally I don't like seeing groups when shooting paper. Those solitary shots feel better to me than a torn, distorted hole. Similar for spinners. Hitting one doesn't tell you a lot outside of, you're in the general area :) Hey ho though. I get that we are all different. As long as it's fun oo cares :) darren@dRanGe All d Best!
shooting outdoors a group will give you the accuracy thats possible , shooting at a different bulls its also a group not easy see then how big
@@peteralexben Sounds like a depending on your perspective and what you prefer type of scenario
Minimum magnification I use for 25 yards target shooting is 30x, 50 metres I use 40x, and 100 yards I use 60x. Sighters are used for checking your aim point, and outdoor for adding MOA (vertical and horizontal) without adjusting your scope, to cope with the wind direction. Yes, the movement in the scope from your hold/body position/technique is magnified with the greater magnification, but the idea is you change your hold/body position/technique to reduce this movement.
To be honest, the wobbly table you use is the defining factor in your accuracy, it doesn't matter which gun you use the results will have a break point beyond where you'll further improve accuracy.
For example, I only shoot outdoor postal air rifle targets on calm days, or at first light, when the wind is usually dead calm.
.22lr is only worthwhile at 25 yards below a wind of 15 m/s, any other longer distance with that calibre depends on the wind, and obviously in a timed none postal competition, you're relying on sighters more than ever to adjust your aim point for the best group under the conditions.
Im a field target shooter.
Out to 55 yards.
Other than knock down, spinners and a box full of old magazines with a self printed target face.
A legitimate airgun target can be a pellet strike or staple from an old target on a tree stump.
A flower head
A clump of mud at some random distance.
At field target, we dont know the range of the targets so a clump of mud and one single shot is also good range finding and shooting practice.
Hi, I have just started air rifle shooting and am really enjoying your videos and finding them very helpful , however could you please explain a few basic questions ie why do you were a glove and also explain in very basic terms the setting up of your scope for a beginner !! thanking you in advance
That's amazing to hear mate thank you 😉
The glove cuts down my pulse movement being transferred to the rifle. It makes a huge difference to my results especially when my heart rate is up.(It usually is,running the cameras and flying back and forth isn't good for a nice relaxing shoot..)
The scope setup really needs a full video, I do have some vids explaining the mounts and some of the principles. I'll do a complete vid when I get chance 😉
Thank you
Surrey Targets for me, square with red dot centres.
I'll check them out mate cheers! 😉
How did you make the target stand that’s a fantastic design for what I’m after in the garden have you a video tutorial…?
Hi mate, there's a couple of vids on the channel here. The first is making the MK1 version then a later vid with the putty lining😉 it works really well...
I bought some shoot an see targets off AliExpress an they are gash.. but for the price will do
Another great informative video, any chance you can provide a link to your preferred target. Black circle red centre dot. I can’t find it when searching air targets as printed on the bottom of the target.
The firm that printed these unfortunately packed up,not long after i bought a big batch for the channel...gutted...
I might well see if i can get my own done though 😉
A couple of my local indoor ranges get their own branded targets printed, their good quality and easy to use. I also use square printed A4 paper, with 10mm red adhesive paper dots. The additional dots reduce the papers tendency to tear, and the squares make for easy placing and assessing position.
Hi mate, nice vid, cheers. I've found the "cheaper" reactive targets don't react that much, I've bought the £5 ish ones and got similar results to you. However, I've also bought the ones that look the same but are more expensive, (£10-£14 ish) and they do seem to react much better showing a better pellet strike with a decent flourescent "hit". I have therefore come to the conclusion that the cheaper ones are not the same / as well as the more expensive ones? Thanx
Hi mate, I kinda like these ones.. I reckon if more of the backing got blown out,It'd be harder to stay on poa..🤔
Can't complain too much for the money though.. although now I want to build an even more evolved silent trap 😆
Heyup chap, Birchwood are a more refined shoot n see with a smaller centre, I use them regularly on the reviews, it's more for the camera than anything, great info as usual, cheers buddy, Jon 👍Hawkes eye TV 👍
Cheers mate I'll check them out😉
They do look good on film for sure...
Where did you get the sticky targets from, Ali Express?
I bought some fake 18” reactive targets from amazon a couple months ago, and had to threaten the seller to get my money back.
I use the small reactive targets for shot alignment when ratting at night, the only problem I have with them is the red dot not being visible through the IR day/night scope.
If you get some little squares of aluminium foil tape on the target it will flare up in the IR and make life easier with the nv😉
I used to use the round reactive targets, and they are poor tbh
Now i just buy A4 220gsm card, and it leaves a nice clean hole and use a ink stamp for the target.
Another howe. On same post......not many howe, s about lol
Hi mate, I had been looking at custom made ink stamps ,you've just reminded me... I'll check them out again...😉
@tillysgunstocks amazon & and eBay, be aware they are smaller than a 5p coin and avoid the lighter colours as they can be difficult to see at distance 👍
I only use reactive targets for long distances more dan 50 meters or so. Becouse I only shoot 4.5 mm. So I can see the impact easier.
I agree entirely mate 😉 for the long range targets they will be very useful. Not so much the closer range targets. I pretty much only shoot 4.5mm too nowdays 😉
@@tillysgunstocksalso has to do with the scope. Only 4 to 16 magnification.
I use a mag doubled Leupold VXIII, with a premire xmas tree reticle based on my specs and it has been parallax tuned for air rifle ranges.
at 50x I can happily see .177 sized holes in targets up to 100 yrds :-)
Is this a 7,5 joule riffle ? What is the max distance you can use it for ? (I have a Walther LG400 that I use indoor, laying down with a diopter at 12 meter) For outside I use a Gamo replay gen II IGT (45Joule)
Hi mate, this is a 16j 12ftlb . Field target is shot outdoors to 50metres. I regularly shoot metal targets out at 100 yards though with the sub12 😉
I use these regularly and some simply do nothing. There are some good ones though.
How you liking the Arken? Just put an SH4 on and it's solid.
I really like it mate. The only thing I really would change is having it focus down to 15yds or thereabouts. I'd like to be able to increase the mag a little on the sheltered range which is just under 25yds.
I'm probably going to get an EPL for my upcoming budget builds. They punch well above their prices 😉
@@tillysgunstocks Yeah for sure. They're excellent longer range and great for dialling in. Great stuff as usual. Love the channel. Have a lovely Sunday
@@michaelmcbride1307 thanks mate and you 😉
I'm really looking forward to pushing the ep5 out to the extreme ranges, luckily it's got a huge adjustment range as I'll be using all of it 🤣
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Awesome mate. Ill have a look thanks 😀
How often should you clean your barrel? I've had a Wolverine R from new for nearly a year and i haven't cleaned the barrel once... Had easily 2500+ pellets through it and its still accurate. Great video too dude!
Cheers mate, generally ill give my barrels a quick pull through every 500 odd shots. However with all the weird stuff I shoot on the channel here I clean it more regularly. It's less of an issue if you're staying with a single particular type.chopping and changing isn't great.the barrel was quite grotty after them Benjamins last week so needed doing...😉
@@tillysgunstocks Ahhh, so as long as it's accurate just leave it? I'm quite lucky that neither of my rifles (Hw97 and Wolverine) are pellet fussy, they both shoot great with AA Express pellets. I shoot Hft so only shoot to 45 yards.
Same rifle 18 months old nif cleaned if once..5000 plus .. Don.t clean any barrels .unless they start to lose accuracy..
Tommy can you post a link to your preferred targets please
Hi Phil. Unfortunately the firm who printed most of these has shut down now.. Iam however looking at firms who can make them for me 😉
@@tillysgunstocks Nowonder i can't find them . perhaps it might be worth scanning one to file so you can print your own ?
Not much of a spatter with those targets...look crap.....
Yeah not great, however... Im now kinda glad they don't splatter too much,as the poa would disappear very quickly and make it harder to be precise with my aim. They'll be good for filming purposes though 😉
Correct, I got a couple of roles from Amazon and on a hard surface there’s little indication
That’s what you get with sub 16ft/lbs in .177.