Finally testing JSB's most extreme hunting pellet.. Hades Exact
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- Опубликовано: 7 июн 2024
- Are the jsb hades the best hunting pellet available? or are the exact heavies still the best?
Ive finally found a decent batch of the hades. Previous tests have been relatively poor however this recent batch shows good accuracy at short to medium range and as soon as the wind dies off i will push these out to the extreme ranges.
i test them into the putty lined silent pellet trap to check the penetration and wether they expand on impact
i use the Air Arms xti50 and the airmaks katran in both multi and single shot configuration
the results are fairly impressive as ive always seen the hades as a bit of a gimmick compared the exact heavies
i also measure the head sizes to make some comparison to other known good batches. 
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Another great video, very informative
Cheers mate, another fun one.i enjoyed filming it.. 😉
You’re usual excellent video, very interesting 🙏
I'm gonna quit with JSB. Used always the Exacts 8,44 in 4,52 and my HW's liked them. Nice tight fit. Now i started with a new bulk 10 pack 4,52 and they just drop in the barrel, i don't even have to push them in and they are also not grouping as well as the first batch. Hades have never been my favorite, to many flyers. Thanks for your video buddy 👍 Cheers!
Great information, thank-you.
My Air Arms rifles generally like JSBs, Air Arms own brand and RWS. My BSA rifle likes own brand BSA pellets. H&N and QYS seem to work well in all my rifles. The only certainty is that every barrel is different and works at its very best with something you didn't expect... 😀
Great informative video. Keep it up!
Indeed, there are quite a bit of inconsistency on the skirts. Non theless still consistent till about 65 yards in .22 FAC under ideaal circumstances. Using the Vixen long. No power limits yet here in NL.
The hades work well in my springer very accurate in that sub 12 in 22
Morning mate. I'm going to keep track of the comments as I reckon most of the calibres .22 and above will have most favourable results. Atleast it looks like I've got a half decent tin to use going forward though 😉
Great video, confirms my findings. I am a big fan of Hades and Heavies in .177 but I only use the Hades out to 20m, they are get a bit sketchy beyond that. I don’t think the Hades heads distort much at sub 12, I think they probably produce a slightly bigger shockwave ahead of them in soft material. Hades always load smoothly as you say due to the smaller head size.
Morning Jim, I'm really curious how the Hades will perform into ballistic gel. I've been trying things out,to mimic bone fragment that isn't too graphic.
I'd love to know how or atleast at what stage of the swaging process the slits are cut/pressed Into the heads.the heads of the Hades are nowhere near as consistent as the heavies,in .177 atleast. 😉
Great video again 😉👍
Morning mate, cheers 😉
It looks from this end that the new camera is doing its job at last. Finally getting the hang of it 😀
Awesome stuff 👍
Great content 👌
Cheers mate.its getting better now I'm getting the hang of the new camera... Kinda 🫣
Confidence sir doing a great job very informative but not to serious 🤘
Yup, I found hades group ok for 4/5 pellets then a flier in 177 through a HW100. Weihrauch magnums [ rebadged H & N barracuda match ] were excellent. QYS streamlined were spectacular.
I am not surprised of that result at all. I just took a closer look at my own Hades tin 30280022, and there were a lot of pellets that had big dings on the backside. They were so obvious I didn't even have to use a magnifier.
The heads only open up on high power fac in ballistic gel
Great vid!
My understanding is your vid confirms most shooter’s findings of .177 hades not being great past 20/25yds
Bizarrely it seems to be the case that .22 hades perform much better at sub12 than the .177
My krait .177 barrel didn’t hades but loved heavy’s however my .22 krait barrel loves hades even out at distance.
Do you have any .22 barrels/rifles? It would be good to see if you could take a look at the .22 hades
Anyway, cheers for the videos.
Morning mate, I've actually got a couple of .22 barrels for the 9015 but it doesn't really run that well when backed off to suit. The reg pressure is a bit too high being as it's set up for .177
I'm waiting on a bunch of new affordable guns,I've got matching in .177 and .22 on order (plus once the paperwork is sorted some high power stuff) so I'll be able to do some decent side by side testing.
All very exciting and should be able to make some great content that will get us all nerding out 🫣
I have had some frustrating results with the .177, but the .22 are consistently super accurate (@sub12) Bc measured 0.024 and have more stopping power.
With the .177, maybe 5-8 through same hole then random flier. CZ200 (early) it never shot heavies well one day I will try tweaking the power curve up to 150-160bar see if that helps.
They had the highest BC of any .177 I have tested 0.031 and make the most power out of the barrel just wish I could get rid of the fliers, idea of the higher pressure is to get them to obturate more to maybe fit the barrel better. Might be the manufacturing just doesn't quite work this small.
Morning mate. Good shout on the higher pressure. I'd be Interested to hear how it plays out 😉
Have you measured up the heads of the .177? One of the previous batches they were distinctly triangular (well almost..) I do imagine that it's easier to accurately add the cuts into the heads of the larger cals. I'd like to see how it's done and at what stage of manufacture. 🤔
Morning 👍
My R10th loves the heavies, hates the hades. But in .22 they handle high fps really well. Completely as you say. 🤷♂️
Morning mate, it's a funny old business this pellet testing lark...
I bet if we keep an eye on the comments,most the .22 and larger cals will be the best performers.
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Good video. I feel the quality control at JSB isn't what it used to be. The variation between batches is simply too much. I recently bought a sleeve of 4.52 which literally fell out of my HW 77 barrel. They measured on average 4.47 in my pellet gauge. I have switched over to H&N for HFT purposes
It definitely seems to be a lot harder to find decent batches of jsb nowadays.. it's really gutting and getting very expensive. The frustrating thing for me atleast, is I can't find anything that performs aswell as a decent batch of old heavies. I'd love to switch to h&n but I've not been able to get them dialed in for the long range stuff that I love the most. Past 50m they get pretty wild ☹️
I've actually stopped buying JSBs for this reason, they are a premium price for a mediocre product now.
@@davidpaylor5666 wait until you see the tins with a union jack on the front. The prices are going to get worse. H&N had the right idea with the 8s. They have taken a huge chunk of market from jsb.
Hopefully h&n come to our rescue and do a proper heavy in a softer lead alloy. We can but hope
@@tillysgunstocks I've found that both of mine like Bisleys, the Mags in the PCP and the LRG (when I can find them) in the 97. Not quite as soft but damned close to as accurate as the JSBs were three or four years ago and about two-thirds of the price.
But you're right about prices, they've all gone up far more than inflation would dictate and it's not like we can just start firing bits of spud or something, they have us by the, er, pellets.
I have had to go up to 4.53 in JSB Exact on my AA TX200 - AND they shoot better if I run them through a 4.53 sizing die. QYS and H&N currently seem to be better quality than JSB.
Ive never had any rifle that likes hades , even if they love the heavies hades are all over the place..also can you cover that blockwork behind you it plays havoc with my ocd😁
🤣🤣🤣 my wife is always moaning about the block work too... When I get chance I'll make a nice panel to cover it up and tidy it up a bit 😉
Interesting testing again, they did seem pretty inconsistent in the Katran. Never tried Hades in any of my rifles and you haven't convinced me that they are a high priority to get hold of 😃😃
Yeah mate I wouldn't bother with them, especially when the heavies will more than likely absolutely smash them in every aspect.
Shame about the katran really. They felt lovely and slick on loading,I was confident I'd get some reasonable performance from it.
My Katran doesn't like the heavies either. Still searching for a heavier pellet than runs well.
Holly of Holy's is the exact 4.53, the search continues
tried jsb rs 7.33 gr thought my reximix meta at 100ft some hit the target some hit 2 feet to the right. tried hades though the same rifle groups we all over the place. at the moment using h&n barracuda 8 which are grouping very well 14 shot group (1 mag) under 5p
I bought a couple of tins of the Hades but after shooting half a tin pretty much gave up anything more than 25m as they would have no consistency, yet same rifles and the exacts were spot on and consistent. Strange how it works. (.177)
i have the same problems in my Gamo Coyote(,22) both with the JSB Hades and the Jumbo exact(15,89gr ,22 caliber) at 25 metres 9 pellets true on target and the last one decides not to play nice and skews off in one or the other direction, i have also had cases where the pellet leaves the barrel true and then tumbles as it hits the target
Morning mate,it might be worth looking at some of the harder pellets. H&N , maybe even some of the rws for mid distance work or the older crosmans if you can find them. The hammer forged BSA barrels do often seem to prefer them over the softer jsb 😉
@@tillysgunstocks i also have the H&N Baracuida and the baracuda power, they don't seem to fly that good at 35m although my coyote is the full power version(here in holland no restrictions on power but in blighty FAC)
Saya juga pakai pellet ini jsb hades 177 untuk berburu, jarak 20 sampai dengan 50 meter hit.....
I stopped using JSB pellets years ago..
Im an FT shooter who washes, dries, sizes, weighs and inspects my ammo. Why?... Because it makes a difference.
JSB have always been a bit hit n miss with quality, even down to the same batch numbers.
I bought 30 tins of JSB Exact and started the process.
From the 30 tins I managed to get 1 tin of not damaged, consistent weight pellets. (8.5 to 8.6gr pellets)
Pellets were suppose to be 4.52 yet they fall thru a 4.50 sizer. (Quality eh)
I melted the lot of them and bought 7.9 Crossman Premiers.
7.9gr Crossman Premiers. other than washing. There is no need to size or weigh them as they are consistent. I still do but out of 10 tins of pellets, there is typically less than 100 out of spec pellets. Its very rare to find a damaged pellet.
I can also pile them on top of each other at 50 yards
I shoot at 23m and in .177 and both my hw97 springer and my walther rotex do not like the hades. Both give similar results which is a #hame as they load really smoothly on the walther.
It's a shame really mate, they feel great and look fairly nicely made but the results don't seem to be that good. This is the best batch I've had so far. I don't think I will keep looking. 🤔
Try some H&N 13 grain slugs. They shoot excellent out of my cheap Chinese 'tuned' Snowpeak. With some 7-8mm 5 shot groups at 25 yds and very rarely more than 12-13mm and with only very rare fliers!
By the way they mushroom out completely to about 6mm+ in the putty and hold their power and accuracy out to much further distances given they have a far better BC!👍
I've used them a bit mate and have a vid on them. They were surprisingly good, I'm saving some for a high power build .so I can run them from typical sub12 speeds and well above.they show serious potential 😉
@@tillysgunstocks Most slugs shoot at a slower speed as you know and I think may have mentioned previously in a video, due to their broader contact with the barrel, causing slightly more friction and often up to 1 FPE loss or more over diabolos! Ive managed to tune my Snowpeak T Rex Bullpup (bought in Spain with Spanish power ie 24J and de-gassed so to speak for uk regs) to shoot both the 13 and 16 grain (which are also very accurate) H&N slugs at around 11.7-11.9 along with similar energy parameters for AA 8.4s, H&N 8s, H&N Barras at 10.65, Qys streamlined at 9.6 and some others. Also consistent velocities with 130 shots + with mostly a 4-6 fps variation from top to bottom of a 250 bar fill down to 100 bar in a 150cc tube. Lots of testing and fettling with variable spring loads reg pressures and Tp port diameters plus lots and lots of pellets, but finally A great tune to shoot a variety of pellets-slugs at consistent high power with consistent fps! A great gun to boot at 250 squidleys!! A 5minute change of Tp and hammer spring puts me right back to 17 FPE with same or similar consistency for when I go back to Espańa! 😊👍
Ps watch the vids as soon as they come out and you are doing gods work for the community my man!
My Weihrauch loves them but it probably has a tighter choke.
hello sir , in 25 30 and 35 cal those hades are very good , in my guns that is . 22 and 177 i did not tryed it cheers
Hi mate 😉
I know lots of people that get really good results in the large calibres with the Hades.
.35 😎 I have not used anything that large before but I'd like to build one 🤔
I find it's because Hades are 4.50 head size where as the jsb heavys are mainly 4.51 4.52 ????
I hope JSB is watching this and start spending more time and money on quality control 😢
They have always been hit n miss on quality, even within the same batch code.
Hopefully mate. It's becoming incredibly hard to find decent batches of late. No wonder so many people are moving over to h&n now where they can
@@tillysgunstocks I have a 500 hft that I use for benchrest. Jsb 4.52 die 62 was its pellet of choice but I have started pellet test using h&n bara ft and doing some sizing. I found I could get the same performance indoors and even better outdoor do to the extra weight the bara ft carries. And I don't need to look for batch numbers as all the h&n pellets are very consistent 👌
Fun video. Only in .177 caliber, the Exact Heavies and Hades pellets share the same weight. However, in other calibers, the Hades pellets match the weight of the standard Exact Diabolos. Hades in .177 sub12 are meh... :)
Cheers mate. It was a nice chilled out one to film. This is by far the best batch of the Hades I've tested. I'll keep them for testing again in the HP rigs when the paperwork is sorted...
There's a lot of miss interpretation of the function of the head as it's not about pure "expansion", more about creating shock and having a breaking effect.
If your going to pick a medium to test into try and find something soft enough but there's penetration difference and then measure those differences. Also good is if you have it free swinging on a string that way you can more visually see energy transfer vs over penetration.
The head should keep them true in the target but will stop the pellet much faster for more energy dump. The guys @taofledermaus have tested some similar shaped prjectiles even non expanding hard projectiles in this shape create more damage than a dome will.
personly i think dont go after expansion with 12 ftp accuracy is the more important factor
When I get the hp rigs sorted, I'll do some involved testing running from sub12 upto maybe 20+ftlb and the different settings between. It'd be interesting to see how they behave Into gel at the various speeds.
@@tillysgunstocks If you can rig up something like clay or Gel cubes (of approximate game thickness), but make sure it's free swinging should show the energy transfer difference between stopping power and penciling through.
I'm a .22 guy mostly and even sub 12 the .22 Hades knock the absolute what not out of stuff.
Your missing out on the old .22 Vs .177 sub 12 endless repetitive argument, but it would make for some good content.
Given up on JSB exacts , just too much variation in quality, I will go so far as to say that they are the only ones that I get fliers with.
I shoot a RATWorks tuned HW100 and a HW97, both .177. and the Hades are the single worst pellets I've tried in either. Looked like I'd opened up on my pellet trap with a 12-gauge. I was actively worried I was going to shoot myself in the back of the head with one. I found this odd because they'll both put JSB Heavies through the same hole at 30m all day long and group fairly well with almost anything else I've tired in them. Just hated the Hades, they were as bad as any lead-free.
It's amazing really.. we all know that barrels will pick their own pellets but these just don't seem that good in .177
Maybe they need a decent reg pressure up their chuff to put some manners into them
@@tillysgunstocks Mate of mine shoots FAC .22 and swears by them, that's why I bought a tin of .177s to try. But yep, even Weihrauch barrels can be picky.
Brilliant ratting pellet won't use them past 30 yards though
If you want a hard hitting pellet for the rats mate you should try the jsb hollow points in the purple tins,can't think of their name right now🤣 I did a vid and everything...they are mega and super safe at the closer ranges.
Short ranged ratting...
RWS Hobby.
Accurate and that flat nose stops them over penetrating.
At sub12 it doesn’t matter what design of pellet you use stick with the cheap Roundheads
45 yards max in HFT? Not if you’re shooting SWEFTA, 55 yards in our competitions.
My .177 S400s both like the QYS 4.50
My TX 200 JSB lights .177
Daystate Tsar likes JSBs and H+N Barracuda 8s 4.50
Both the .22 Mk1 Supertens like Accupell.
Other guns other pellets but none like those Hades, waste of time for me🤷♂️🤔
Oddly my AA S410 TDR groups Hades better than the heavies
Morning mate, I guess being a S4 tdr it's .22?
@tillysgunstocks No its .177
@@Liam.... Pretty rare in .177 as far as I can tell. Pretty sure all the early ones were .22 🤔
@tillysgunstocks I didn't know that, I just thought it was available in either calibre, mines stamped 2015 on the air cylinder.
That makes sense mate. That's the time the s5 series was released and when a few .177 s4 tdr started to arrive. Previously they were pretty much all .22
Nice bit of kit too 😉
This was 25 meter;s? No maybe yard:s .And these guns cost?They look very expensive.No i dont want to rant my cheap ass gun bla bla..I am just asking.I just want to know because i shoot .22, you shoot 4.5mm ..Is it harder to group nice with 4.5mm .Maybe none FAC vs FAC?That is my question.UK people all respect none fac hunting etc ..👍
GREAT Vid yet again, really love those in depth pellet tests, BUT, those Hades are complete and utter SHITE, yes you just MIGHT get one or two on here responding how great they are in there rifles, and YES every barrel is different blah blah blah, but at the end of the day NOT ONE of my ( 19 ) rifles likes em, bought a tin when they first came out, still got half a tin left.. NEVERTHELESS, in. 22 cal, they are excellent, must be something to do with overall shape.. Who knows, and yer quite right, opinions are well divided.. Bet it's something like 95% don't rate them, 4% do like them, and 1% ain't really tested them, or are drunk or on class C drugs and don't give a rats ass...
Cheers mate, I really hoped for something cool to happen on film.. I've tried numerous batches over the years and these are the best,but still not that much cop. We've all seen how me and the heavies get on. They're mega!