It takes a strong person to express their distaste about certain aspects about anime because it’s one of the most controversial things to talk about on the internet, next to politics. Charlie deserves our utmost respect and support for this.
An anime about anything other than high school is honestly rare (in the context of all anime). It's mainly because of the work ethic in Japan. The only time they get to be carefree in middle/high school
@@ytisshit461 What do you mean it's not true? It's been said in so many interviews on this exact subject and has been given as a reason by Japanese anime fans
"I'm a PTSD ridden war veteran with so much experience that I could take on a single army with just my left arm. Also I'm 14 years old." - A lot of anime characters.
@MGTHREE Entrepreneur Hell and the Devil aren't in the original texts. They're an invention of inaccurate translations and later views of the religion. They're not accurate to the Bible. You're also describing Gehenna wrong.
its literally why i kinda stick to seinen or specific shonen now, i mean sure obviously berserk has some grotesque scenes but id rather read that and not be apart of it than watch underage sexualising
I’m Japanese. I understand that you feel so, and I don't deny your opinion. Let me share a few things. As a fact, there were so many students like Tokyo Revengers in the 80s to 00s. They were all students who rode motorcycles and fought all the time. My father was the same way. And Japanese people have the most freedom while they are students. You can do anything you want and it is really fun, and that period is everything. Once you become an adult, people say “You are an adult, you should not do such a foolish thing. It's embarrassing.” Yeah culture is totally different.
@@Deastrisk The other is drawing like a get a life that's just drawing. While the other can be problematic if they put people who are right on the mark with character like cuties
@@greatdayforpizza6974 Not really I'm just explaining on a way others would feel. I'm not insulting the person. It's probably because I made a questionable grammar composition like It should be "Get a life that's just drawing" phrase with quotation to show that It's just a wording and not me directly telling them that. English isn't my native tongue so my bad for messing that up
This is a take I absolutely agree with. The oversexualization of kids in the industry is a big part of why I don't watch ecchi/harem anime, because it's creepy to see 12-15 year olds doing weird shit. It's also a big part of why I don't watch hent@i, for the same reasons. It's just uncomfortable.
I agree plus it's gotten people where they're obsessed with younger females cosplaying these characters and it does make it uncomfortable that people go after stuff like that. I'm not gonna lie it makes me uncomfortable knowing my boyfriend finds girls younger than us or at our age that is cosplaying them is attractive because it shows thats all that goes through his head and it's weird 😕
@@kayleyherrera7199 sounds really creepy when you bring cosplay into the mix. and as a guy i just want to tell you, talk with your boyfriend about it. its also his brain to be honest, monkey see, neurons fire, monkey goes: huehuhuahahaha! still, there should be clear boundaries. but i have no context here except your message neither do i need more. GL!
I totally agree. Some animes are supposed to have a younger cast and their stories actually involve their school life (e.g My Hero Academia where them being in school at UA is the actual plot and there's lots of emphasis on how dangerous it is for them to be fighting at such a young age) but others just feel like their age is just being used to appeal to younger viwers, even though the plot doesn't need it lol.
Because that's exactly what it is???? It's a part of the Shonen demographic which LITERALLY means young boy. It's targeted toward Teenage boys, so why are you mad that teenage boys are the main focus??? If you don't want to watch a story aimed towards teenagers then watch a Seinen anime instead, which is also LITERALLY targeted towards adults.
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I’ve always said this about the kid characters but a Japanese friend of mine said that it just doesnt sell in japan if they’re too old. Mostly because the paying viewers/manga buyers are kids or adults that wish they were kids again :/
This is why I adore Inuyashiki Last Hero. The writer utilized every character archetype possible, in fact they took a 58 year old man and made him one of the most interesting and relatable protagonists ever. So much anime defaults to kid protagonists that they miss out on other ages to tell a new story.
Fuck man what a ride, I remember reading the manga and thinking "this'll never be anime" and then watching the show a few years later, what a breath of fresh air that was.
So one thing I realised when I started living in japan is that sexualising high-school girls (joshi kosei, JK) is a very common thing in their life. You can see school girls being a main sex-fantasy trend in their pop culture, you would see people encourage school girls to reveal themselves in school uniforms or swimsuits. Moreover, in their escort services they even provide uniforms from real private schools for the escort ladies to put on, in order to fulfil the fantasy of their costumers. The obsession of Japanese towards school girls is just bizarre.
Well the thinking behind is that highschool is literally the most, in fruits term, ripe a person will be. Not to young to make it extremely weird, but not to old for not knowing the fucked up world of works and the like.
@@peacechan4500 But... most of the high schoolers are still very young. Ranges from ages 13-18. The only time they're an adult is when they're 18 in their final year. I'm sorry, I just can't get over the fact that they're still very young, maybe few can see the real world but most are still very inexperienced to life and they're still new souls.
@@peacechan4500 no too young? bruh its this kind of thinking is how they persecuted the jews. first they started "no too bad just lose rights" next thing you know they got thrown in the oven. its exactly how anime operates to create more peddle files and corrupt our youth
One anime where I think the MC being young works well is YuYu Hakusho. The main character Yusuke is a kid with a pretty realistic yet troubled origin. His father left him and his mom is a depressed drunk due to having to work all the time and being a single mom. Due to this Yusuke is a pretty troubled kid who hates school and seems to never be able to catch a break. A lot of Yusuke’s journey through the story is him growing up and learning how to cope with all the things that have hurt him or unhealthy beliefs he has. Ofcourse it has action and fantasy elements, but Yusuke being a kid learning to be his own man is integral to the story. The story begins when Yusuke is about 15-16 I believe and ends with him turning about 18, becoming a young adult ready to face the world.
Japan has an unhealthy obsession with sexualizing schoolgirls. This can at least partially be attributed to the overall all negative impact that the japanese work philosophy has on japanese men, and this schoolgirl obsession becomes an expression of regret and longing for when they were last around young women on a daily basis. This apparently meaningless implementation of middle schoolers in adult anime is another result of the same overall issue, but is (luckily) expressed in other ways. You could also extend this to the whole loli topic, but let's not go down that rabbithole on youtube.
Anime is fiction compared to Cuties (2020) where they used actual eleven year old girls rather than older women to speak out against the issue, instead they're promoting it as planned. Good 'ol Cr1tikal here talks about the movie and it's worse than you think
This is why I actually liked Aggretsuko so much. It's rare that's it's a realistic office setting full of office politics. And as a result it can do a whole bunch of social commentary on Japanese work culture and is quite relatable.
I thought it was just me, platinum end is bad for me and I can't really point out the main reason. One of the reasons is probably because of this weak mc (haven't watched the whole series) who keeps trying to be a good guy, like wtf is that gonna do? He should've died a long time ago if he was like that. There are too many bloodthirsty candidates for the mc to survive
@@tharunbala7783 demon slayer is a good anime. Using the excuse the animation is the only reason people like it is completely incorrect. People like the story and characters and I’m one of them
@@tharunbala7783 it's because majority of the people watching are still kids with no sense of taste. I remember when i was that toxic bnha fan when i was younger, i didnt even watch other anime besides it.
Why would people hate Charlie for saying this. This is just facts. And personally me I agree with this why can't they just be freaking adults. Cause it literally has nothing to do with the plot it's useless information🤷♂️🤷♀️
Because the people who make these anime are perverted fucking weirdos, why else? These tropes aren't accidental, they are conscious choices by grown men.
Because anime is mostly for teenagers and children. Why should a teenager watch about grown-up men if he wants to look at peers. Besides, if writers won't give the characters school uniforms and will say “All characters are 20 years old” you won’t even feel the difference, cause it's anime, not a movie.
As someone who watches a lot of anime, he couldn’t have put it any better. Everytime I see a child being somewhat sexualized in an anime I cringe and stop watching it. It made me put down a lot of anime for just that particular reason.
I didn't even bother to watch Seven Deadly Sins because of this, that Ban guy having a relationship with a child looking character and the protagonist constantly groping a minor is just disgusting
So, you write off entire shows the moment they even approach risqué territory, presumably without ever taking the time to stop and consider the context behind such scenes. Man, you and yours would absolutely *hate* the Fate franchise, in spite of the fact that there are a lot of good stories in it.
It's gotten so bad now that it's practically a selling point to me if the cast is 18 and up. I'm fed up of Animes chasing their past imaginary high school glory days. Another trope I'm tired of is relationships never going anywhere. 90% of the time the MC can't even bare the thought to hold hands with anyone. Even if they do show interest in a girl it never goes anywhere.
Usually for many popular series, the author has decided on the waifu and number of chapters, but demand for more chapters causes it to drag on Nisekoi comes to mind
Just watch seinen anime... This is getting ridiculous. Complaining about shonen anime showcasing shonen character. It's like complaining about zhojo-kawai anime showing immature, overly cute character with no plot because it's a slice of life and could be resumed as small skit.
You literally speak from my mind, God bless you! Can you recommend me anything where cast is 18 and up but not too old and relationships actually lead to somewhere and doesn't take 4 seasons to just hold hands. Doesn't matter if it's anime, manga, manhwa, manhua, webtoon, webcomics, webnovels or even western comics.
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@Mbita Acoustic Guitar stop promoting your own channel in the comments.
And also it’s normal for people to be into uniforms as long the person in it is an adult. It can be a normal fetish like some people are into “sexy nurse oufits”
it made sense to me as a kid when i started watching anime because when you're a kid, 15-17 years olds are all super grown up in your point of view lol so I'm guessing they thought that making them all teenagers would be like "yeah just so we can appeal to younger viewers, making them in their 20s would not make them relatable". Now as an adult, yeah, it's weird lol
The problem is not just anime characters being unreasonably young, its also how at the same time, A lot of perverted behaviour is normalized as well. And people wonder why the anime Community is infested with creepy simps/pedos who sexualize anything with breasts
you are telling me that western women are not sexualizing girls ? grooming them to do onlyfans when they reach 18 yr ?mind your business. it's japan. it's not usa, the uk, australia, it's JAPAN. you ahve a problem with it ?stop watching anime.@@miyukilalramchuani761
When it comes to utilizing the kid aspect, I can only think of Mob Psycho 100. Only show (that I've seen) showing actualy relatable character development when it comes to kids.
I like the fact that Attack on Titan starts when they are 12, then they age up to 15 when they graduate training and become full soldiers. I think it set a tone that there are CHILDREN fighting titans to protect what they believe to be all of humanity. it also makes it to where I feel extremely sad when someone dies because it could have been someone as young as 15. Finally seeing them at age 19 in the final season with like facial hair and new hairstyles and stuff was cool too as if I've seen them grow up a bit
@@ricksonpat4451 If you are gonna preach about what you should and shouldn’t then get sad about on the internet saying why do people disagree with you, you need to unplug your Wi-Fi router.
Things I hate about it, is they really don’t like the “show don’t tell” rule when it comes to story telling. Usually explaining almost every detail about what’s going to happen. Even though we saw it happen last episode or 5 minutes ago.
There are some animes that use the youth of the characters to provide contrast as they progress through the plot, showing them change from naive/vulnerable to dark and damaged. It makes you feel for the characters more, and I think Tokyo Ghoul did this quite well initially. But for most animes, them being kids is just so irrelevant. The amount they’re sexualised just ends up feeling perverse
Let’s be real, fandoms plague nearly everything. From anime to video games to books, ravenous fans do a great job at driving others away from the thing they love
@@ericosborne4122 man you are not kidding about that. I've had conversations with some friends that got heated when I told them I didn't like something. Like I had a friend get almost psychoticly pissed cause I said I thought the last of us 2 was a terrible game. I've gotten to the mindset over the years of that it's fine for people to disagree as long as they're respectful about it. Like we can disagree and that's fine cause we don't have to like all the same stuff. That would honestly be boring. Cause let's be honest opinions about liking something are completely subjective and can't be wrong. Like you can't go around saying somebody is wrong for liking something. That's where I think a lot of people go too far
Fandoms are garbage. It’s okay to have opinions, but don’t attack people for having negative ones, don’t force your animes onto people, and also MIDORIYA ISNT GAY.
fr, fandoms can really ruin everything sometimes. I put off watching MHA for the longest time because of the fandom. I ended up watching it to see why people even liked it and it turns out I actually quite like the anime, and I think its a good anime. I'm not sure I'd call myself a fan (I liked the anime), but I'm definitely not apart of the 'fandom'.
I think the reason that characters are randomly middle-schoolers and high-schoolers is to appeal to younger audiences but it completely backfires in many cases. I completely agree with Charlie, characters shouldn’t be young without any significance to plot or else it drives things into uncomfortable and obscure situations. These kinds of things should be more reserved towards slice-of-life and coming-of-age genres where the entire story wraps around more relatable age groups instead of inserting them into grim and dark plots.
The reason being they are shounen, made for shounen, published in a magazine targeted at shounen. What Charlie should've done is watch anime where he is the targeted audience. It's like people complaining why sesame street or barnie is childish, it's made for kids.
Glad someone said it. Even worse when the creepiness is a substitute for good writing. Sick of watching trash shows that people highly rate because of creep shots.
Another thing about anime that can bother me, depending on the show and the characters, is making the males look like adults and the females look like children. There's also been times when they have a significant age difference and then there's the brother or sister in love with their sibling. I find these to be a detriment to the enjoyment of the stories.
To look young and useful is the beauty standard in Asian countries especially Japan they wouldn't want to make them look older that's not what they consider beautiful
I'm a big slice of life fan and I wish more of those shows featured an adult cast. Gimme a stressed out office worker falling in love with the girl who works at 7-11 or some shit. That could be great. Getting real sick of cultural festivals and club rooms and shit LMAO
I've been looking for that same sort of stuff I hate how rare it is. I had to look through manga to find a lot of series like that since there's a limit to how many anime exist versus manga/light novels. - "Can You Keep a Secret?" (Kono Kaisha ni Suki na Hito ga Imasu), office romance kinda similar to what you described, one of my favorites - Frieren at the funeral, a fantasy slice of just a journey without harem garbage/overly sexualized characters for no reason that makes you feel whistful instead of trying to be all action and fanservice. (I still like these series, but there is the limit to synopsis writing that is worth doing on a random youtube comment) - A rare marriage, how to grill our love - Kawaii Joushi wo komarasetai - First comes love, then comes marriage - Kijima-san to yamada san - Honnou Switch (Can be a bit nsfw, for the record, but it's not in a gratuitous or weird way imo) Cheers if anyone actually uses this lol I really hope that some of these series get animated at some point, because we **need** to see more series like this, everything Charlie said was right on the money. I have enjoyed many anime and manga, but that doesn't change the fact that the industry as a whole does these things, and some of the most popular and loved anime do all the shit he mentioned.
In addition to Wotakoi the guy above me mentioned, Recovery of an MMO Junkie was a romance SoL featuring adults that I really liked. Maybe also check out Golden Time.
I've started watching slice of life and just not shounen anime and honestly it's way better. I finished "I've been killing slimes for 300 years and maxed out my level" and it's really chill and enjoying to watch compare to other shounen anime
When I was in Japan travelling for a while I asked my friends about this & they explained it very well Basically according to them it’s a cultural trope (sounds obvious, but here’s what they said more specifically). Work culture and work ethic in Japan is so extreme (people collapse and even sometimes die from it - there’s really a mindset of putting the company before everything including your personal life) that lots of people in Japan view their time in high school or middle school with rose-tinted glasses as the best time in their life. Thus the trope was born and most anime are set during that period even if it has nothing to do with the storyline because it’s widely seen as the golden years essentially. As a Brit that honestly was pretty depressing to hear them say, but they did point out that not everyone feels that way. It’s just a trope which over the years has been more and more played into. Thus the current state of anime
Thank you for explaining! I'm a person that thinks there is always explanation to seemingly unnatural behaviours. Your point of view makes it totaly understandable why this phenomenon exist in the first place.
@@monstar3626 Pretty common misconception, anime that’s exported outside of Japan is marketed towards teenagers and is mainly (as you said) Shōnen, but that makes up only a part of the Japanese anime industry not the whole thing (which is huge). In Japan there are anime and manga made for; children, teenagers and adults (even OAPS) but the other three examples here don’t export as much as the teenage aimed material. The West’s (industry) impression of anime was “oh it’s just well made cartoons, so it must be for kids and teens”, so they’ve brought over mainly that content - but just like adult American cartoons (Family Guy, American Dad, Archer etc) Japan has a huge amount of anime which is targeted towards older audiences (without being sexually explicit content) and also a lot of other series specifically just for very young children. The Shōnen series are just the biggest export that’s all. Yeah it does mean that, but Shōjo (for girls) exists along side that… along with Seinen (usually young men or adult men up to late thirties), Josei (adult women) etc. So respectfully, you don’t really have a point because you’re ignoring the existence of everything that’s not Shōnen to make your point that it’s “aimed at teens”. I’d recommend checking out other types, there’s a lot more to anime than what’s just in Shōnen 😊
Nothing worse than being interested in an anime you think has a good plotline, then they just add some super fucking weird stuff into it like the sister being in love with her brother or a child looking character who's "actually 500 years old"
You should try different genres like seinen for the story being targeted to young male adults or middle aged men. There are genres so yeah shonen most of the time have teenagers as main characters. It would be nice if this could be of any help.
@@CarecaRusso Most of us are just normal folks who are very disgusted at this topic being so common in anime, and then there's the bad ones that ruin the appearance of the entire community. We are really not all like that.
I'm a weeb, and this man is spitting facts. There absolutely needs to be more shows with staring adults. Or hell, put them in college if you want to have the school still be there.
My favorite anime’s starring adults is Mushishi, Nana, Yuri on Ice (tho still has some teen characters but majority are young adults or older) plus the main character is in their early 20s, CowboyBepop, and B the Beginning.
Isn't this mostly about shounen animes though? I get that shounen is the mainstream for anime, but in Japan it's literally a genre that targets teen boys. If you're looking for older protagonists try seinen instead...
When it’s a Slice of Life, it makes sense with the school setting, but most other anime, it doesn’t really need setting. It would make more sense if the characters were older and it wouldn’t really take away from the story. I also agree with the notion that Platinum End is not that good.
Like it could be a slice of life about other stuff. But yeah. A school setting makes sense when the basis is living life as a student. And all the random stuff you can get up to during that phase of life.
I also noticed that when i was younger, i want to be like batman, superman, james bond, rambo,etc. all these adult characters but when it comes to anime, i somehow dont want to be like the teenage main character because i know for a fact that teens are cringy and annoying. I honestly dont know where they get the idea that the characters of the show should also be a teen if the show is targeted to teenagers. All the things i aspired to be when i was a kid are always adult characters but i dont remember wanting to be a teenage character.
This is why I miss the 80's anime style. You could immediately tell the character's age and there was just more detail in general. I assume this new/common art-style in anime is simply cheaper to draw and animate. The characters looking like kids is a side effect
Dose it even matter they will probably say that the blatantly looking 7 year old girl is actually 20000 years old so they can justify drawing sexualized kids
As an anime fan, I’m glad someone actually admits to liking Jojo part one, usually someone will tell you to skip part one-which I think is kinda crazy because I think Jonathan Joestar is awesome and part one and two are very important (obviously) to the overall story; I don’t get why people tell others to skip.
@@riioas5543 For me the first 3 part is at least ok. But the rest of it literally the characters looks weird and the art animation looks like you having a fever dream or an acid trip.
@@riioas5543 I respect your opinion, but you should watch it for the story rather than what they’re wearing but I’m not forcing you or anything it’s all good.
I absolutely agree. If you're looking for an actual reason why they're always 15, it's because the targeted audience for the show is usually teenagers, (anyone from the age of 12-18 years old) so they try to aim for an age that's somewhere in the middle so the characters are relatable. However, the ones you brought up sounds like they have much more mature themes and I agree, the characters definitely should be aged up for the sake of making the show less creepy. Typically if the main characters are adults it's intended for an older audience, so it is strange whenever they have 12 year olds as the main cast in a more mature anime.
It’s called platinums end and I only read it because it was the same guys who did deathnote that made it. It’s a manga first… then an anime. The first two volumes I read told me everything. I felt really gross reading it.
I live in Japan, and have talked to a number of people about this. Although, to be honest, I see more often anime is usually based in High School and not JHS. So I've asked a number of people, "Why are so many anime characters in high school?" I asked an Otaku girl I went to the Kyoto Manga museum with and even some ladies at a Maid Cafe, as well as their boss. All of them except the boss had more-or-less the same answer; "I never really thought about that." Which, ironically, is what I would call the "lip of the well of the culture", where maintaining the status quo is ingrained into most of Japanese culture. The boss of the maid cafe had a slightly more interesting answer where he told me that most adults are too busy after high school to have fantastic adventures, high schoolers are blank slates. And, as someone who's written some stories that involve younger children, most of the story they could be replaced with adults for most of it; I rarely acknowledged their schooling, or their parents, because the story wasn't about their school, nor was it about their parents, so it was tough to make room for those concepts within the story I wanted to write. However, the reason I chose to make it about kids is that it makes the scale of "something bigger than the layman's understanding" feel that much bigger, it also helps to justify seemingly irrational behavior - so long as I kept the "they're just kids" idea at the front of the readers mind, I think it's easy for the reader to justify why a character might do something that is poorly thought out.
Exactly! I don’t get why people don’t understand this. Anime characters tend to mostly be kids or teenagers for the sake of A) target audience/demographic, B) marketing/genre, and/or C) having an easier time writing the characters doing irrational things, or having character flaws that feel believable. Especially in coming-of-age stories. That’s why shounen anime and shoujo anime are their own subgroups. And it’s why not as many of them revolve around adults. And it’s why seinen anime are the ones that tend to mostly revolve around adults and more adult issues. Adults often don’t go through the same issues or immaturity that kids and teens go through that make a lot of shounen anime work, so they often end up as side characters, mentor figures, or villains instead. I get Charlie says the characters being the age that they are isn’t relevant to the plot of Tokyo Revengers specifically, but I saw a few comments detailing how gang activity does tend to happen with characters that age-with the anime obviously exaggerating some things since it’s fictional.
@@kartikreddy4102 That’s subjective tho. Different people relate to different things. Especially when anime mostly really cares about appealing to Japanese audiences. A lot of anime *is* meant to be entertaining and a lot of people (including in Japan) do only see it as that, but there are a lot of people that do end up relating to some of the characters and their struggles, too.
The thing is the statement is worded in a way where it might be true. The real question is not if children add something to the plot but if adults would take something from the plot.
I always just bump them up to college age in my head when its a show about school kids. I get its likely a culture thing but it's still incredibly weird and perverted.
Hypersexualization of women and harem is so disgusting... Poorly written female characters i feel so upset they can't make an iconic female character and they always make the male protagonists ugly and boring af.The showing of cleavage for fanservice and no clothes on girls is considered as jokes. Like why adapt it in anime when there's amazingly made manga that Do not need loser's fantasy in it im UPSET
Oh fuck yes. I'm so fucking tired of kids in animé. SpyXFamily is the first animé I'm watching with adult protagonists since One Punch Man and-goodness-I felt so relieved that such an animé exists in the mainstream.
@@user-el7rk2qr7r She behaves like a child only. Her struggles are school, friendship and studies, not fighting supervillains. Not some pre-teen doing adult shit. So I'm fine with it.
I can think of two reasons: 1. To sell this fantasy to their target audience 2. To fit a certain type of character growth, that main character from platinum end would look pretty weird as an adult
Your first point is probably the most accurate one. Shounen anime/manga authors typically make the most important characters teenage boys because the target audience are teenage boys and it makes the characters more relatable to them. Same with shoujo but with teenage girls(though more often than shounen series there's more of a mix of boys too).
I really hope Charlie sees this one because this is definitely the answer, its for the target audience members for them to be able to relate with the characters, people like to watch things they can relate to. Also even though in America we may see these mature themes in anime too vulgar but Japan seems to have different views. Also lets be honest, when were younger a good amount of us were into being exposed to mature content and that made us be even further interested in the content.
I thing your initial point is most accurate. The age of concent in Japan is 13 which gives them this weird grey area to make content like that that TECHNICALLY "isn't weird" because the characters are "past the age of concent", but is also fulfilling to the audience who have those fantasies about those age groups.
Another reason I can think of is that the Japanese society's impact on the authors, whereas they had all the fun, innocence, and all in high school before entering the adult world in which they considered dull or empty, though I think that's only for the shonen category of anime and not like the seinen category of anime where main characters are actually adults
@@KamiDionysusdo you have any prove/argument for why it is not problematic? Because this shitty trope is disgusting, and the only reasson that anime studios do it is to get money from pedos, and to this day I have never seen anyone give an good argument in it's favor(it's is always just terrible excuses from lolicons)
@@joaopedrobenicio8283 You won't find any of them because all they will say is "you cant seperate fiction from reality" argument, but my good argument would be to counter is that they have literally just normalized themselves to jerking off to the literal fictional child there not trying to see as a child, basically being in denial of what they really are to justify their children fetish urges.
@@joaopedrobenicio8283 It is very problematic, please most of us hate lolis anyways and it really are the borderline pedophiles that give a bad name to the entire community.
I agree with Charlie on this one. It is kind of strange to see child characters doing adult things with no explanation as to where the parents are. I'd also like to throw in a hot take of my own: I don't like anime where the pervert character gets away with intentionally manhandling, or straight up molesting/gr@ping, other characters because they are either children, female, or homosexual. I'm not talking about scenarios where the character trips and unintentionally gropes someone. I'm talking about characters groping and molesting other characters on purpose without the consent of the one getting assaulted, and getting away with it.
And they use the term "Man of Culture" if you like these stuffs which is just a negative influence to someone using the internet. They somehow tolerate these kind of things by saying that they're a man of culture without realizing their actions. The wrong contextualization and usage of Man of Culture sometimes affect someone
Shinji is probably the best representation of an actual kid, he's immature, he can't take big decisions alone, he's very sensitive and actually feels real
The sense of responsibility instilled in the adults of East Asia is strong. Parents are expected to die for their children, workers are expected to work themselves to death, and no one is expected to complain, the only time they were ever free of that expectation is when they were kids. Even the artists in the studios that produce the anime are probably working themselves ragged.
so you're saying the viewer is remembering when they were kids? and how times were simpler and free of responsibility? that does not make it okay to sexualize a drawn 14 year old. cringe
@UCiI3CGnkVZveyVYdGXbQwBw cause Japan work culture is just toxic no natter what you do. Working such long hours, even if you love something you still get tired. You just want to go home and enjoy some nice time.
One likely reason why the characters are pre-pubescent/adolescent age is because most Shonen mangaka/editors believe that it will increase sales in their target demographic in Japan, being middle school/high school aged readers, with the self-insert aspect and all. That's just one reason, though. I'm sure there's a plethora of others and that we're just scratching the surface here.
I feel like the early 2000’s teenage romcoms had this issue as well. Most of the actors were in their 20’s, sometimes even 30’s. They’re all having sex and doing drugs and spending all this money and living like absolutely no high schooler does. Like, just put them in college. Why does it have to specifically be high school?
I hate how normalised “Loli” characters are, considering that the main appeal is the fact they appear biologically very young and infantile, but they’re ‘enjoyed’ because they’re older than they appear. It’s completely fine for people irl to appear younger than they do of course (it’s quite common due to genetics) but it’s the hyperfixation on the fact that they appear childlike in film/anime that’s gross and fetishy.
As a weeb, i completely agree. Yeah I'm a teenager and I'm fine with most MC's being teens since it shows their growth throughout the show, but when it comes to explicit stuff and they show it on the screen, it's just creepy.
I hope u know a weeb is a non-Japanese person who is so obsessed with Japanese culture that they wish they were actually Japanese and wanting to be something u aren’t especially when it comes to a race is wrong….
I 100% agree with Charlie, this and the weirdly common incest tropes in anime. Like what’s the deal with “big brother wants to bang his little sister” or “little sister secretly has a crush on her big brother” subplots? I watched a magical girl anime a while ago called “selector infected” about girls who have to have card battles to get their wishes granted (it’s like if you combined Yu-Gi-Oh and Madoka Magica) and it’s a completely normal show, except one girl let’s it slip that the wish she’s fighting for is for her twin brother to fall in love with her. Why? You could’ve just made it any random guy, but no it had to be her brother???
Im not an expert in japanese culture, but i assume this is because there isnt really a stigma around sexual fantasies there. Anime is the only thing in media where i've consistently seen kinky characters/people portrayed as normal or common place.
@@normal-use7628 Yeah I remember dragon ball being on the weirder side of shounen manga/anime. But to be fair, it was one of the first to deviate from the Fist of the north star or Jojo style back then when that was the norm
The word weeb lost its meaning. Otaku would be the word for someone who likes anime; weebs are people who are obsessed with Japanese culture so much that they wish they were Japanese.
@@81droid81 True, except weeb hasn't. A word can't change if it's thrown around mindlessly without anyone agreeing with a new definition. Different countries may see the word differently aswell
Ajin: Demi Human is another example of characters being high schoolers for no reason. You have these two high school dudes going on stealth missions and knowing how to professionally use a gun. And one guy going to adult jail. It's shows like Promised Neverland where it's actually important for the characters to be kids
I think that society has a bit of an obsession with youth. It's been drilled in our heads that it is the most desirable time of our lives, and media is undeniably a factor to that kind of thinking. This trend where teen/child characters basically just do adult things can be observed not just anime, but in mainstream media in general. Hypersexualized, hyperaggressive youth. Think of the shows Skins, Euphoria, etc.It's just really weird. As a kid, it personally gave me a lot of misconceptions and false expectations of how it was to be a teen. What defined the experience and all. Now, as a young adult, I have realised the massive effect of media on the way we perceive how we should be. Teens are kids, and they should be treated as such. Our media, anime included, should try to do better by actually showing that teens ARE children and making it relevant to the narrative. And while we're at it, they should start writing morr ADULT characters that do these ADULT things.
Yes and then children start to relate to the anime characters and start becoming really werid quite often. It would still happen if the characters would be adults but definetley not that often and it would probably change the entire youth thb at least to some extend because of how popular anime is
Why not also have adult characters doing stuff that's considered youthful as well; not just "adult things"? Rethink the whole "act your age" trope while we're at it!
This is kind of a problem in JRPGs as well. It's really common to see protagonists and other party members who are under 18. Like, as much as I love something like Xenoblade Chronicles 2, I don't think there's a significant benefit to the main character being around 15 years old, especially when there's a romance angle with a character significantly older. It makes me appreciate a game like Yakuza: Like a Dragon where almost every party member is over 40. It's refreshing to see something with a generally older cast
Dragon quest does this well. It makes you young to fight for your family. And then once the (spoiler) happens and you go to the bastion its really bittersweet to see what happened in that time. Maybe that’s just how I played it though lol.
I read a CBR article ranking top 10 best confidants and they put the gun shop owner in last because he sells you guns (as if they're not fake) and put Kawaki in 1st or 2nd. As if Kawaki isn't a pathetic loser who needs affirmation from a teenager and the gun shop owner isn't a Chad trying to raise his adoptive son properly
The reason is twofold actually. For one, shounen anime are usually the most profitable and those are aimed at teens (One Piece, Naruto, Bleach etc...) so it makes sense to have the main characters and cast be teenagers or young enough for the main audience to relate to them. But outside of shounen, even in anime aimed at adults, there is a phenomena among Japanese adults, especially men, where they over glorify their highschool / younger days. Like most Japanese men working in companies want to go back to a simpler time when they were in high school and essentially get a "do over" on their life, it's incredibly sad when you think about it. But for that reason even anime aimed at adults will usually have younger main characters, to give that sense of escapism.
Hey, man. Life was much simpler back then where I have the energy to mess around for the entire day just playing pokemon cards, but nowadays I'm just tired all the time for some reason, my back aches like a motherf- and running a small lap is like running a marathon. I hate it.
@@aidenp8661 I sort of understand it. When you get a job there isn't anything left to really look forward to. As much as people bash on America for not having much time off, Japan is worse. Even something as small as a few week break you don't have anymore. So the idea of an Isekai of getting to start over somewhere else where there isn't so much professional pressure going on sounds amazing to even me.
I really don't get the logic of 'we must make the characters in our story the same age as our target demographic', does that even work? I've never felt the need to seek out anime, movie, show or game based on if the characters are my age. I'm far more interested in following characters which are far different from me. And when there are characters my age, it almost never feels accurate and just makes my experience worse.
I think it's just laziness/lack of creativity. School is an easy way to give a bunch of characters a reason to interact with each other in a common setting without having to worry about giving them motivations. I've also heard the argument that almost everyone's gone to middle & high school, so it's easier to get people to relate to the characters. Honestly at this point: any anime with a serious tone taking place at a normal school sets off red flags for me. It's really hard for them to not come off as just being derivative, especially when it's obvious that it's only a plot device.
Ok but why did it need to be MIDDLE school? you can get the same outcome out of college, hell i'd even settle for high school. but just the fact that these middle schoolers are massive gang leaders, riding motorcycles around town, with no cops or parents in sight is just too immersion breaking for me. i don't think these authors have ever seen a 13-14 year old, they are small and usually dumb as fuck.
This is why anime getting popular in the west is a horrible mistake and should have never happened. Japan should have never opened its market to western buyers. Western cultures are too much different from East Asia, particularly Japan. My only wish is for westerners to stop importing animes and for the Japanese to stop exporting anime to the west and start looking at their fellow Asians as a potential market. YOU WESTERNERS ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THE TARGET AUDIENCE FOR ANIME. Anime is a lot more suitable for people within East Asia and Southeast Asia (Asia-Pacific). Beyond that boundaries, there would be a massive cultural clash. Westerners' weeb culture is probably the worst thing to happen to the Southeast Asian anime community with their sometimes heavy (both left & right) political undercurrent and anglocentric viewpoint. As a Southeast Asian who experienced first-hand the Japanese wave of the late 90s and early 2000s, our local community and fandom traditions and subcultures back then were much more linked authentically to Japan, it was so different from the current state where our local fan cultures now have to "westernize" ourselves to consume anime products just because English is the most globalized language in the world. We Southeast Asians otakus will have to be heavily influenced by meme/shitpost/regional cultures of westerner weebs to immerse ourselves in the fandom and get the latest information and news. Doraemon and Crows are examples of popular manga in Japan that are also really popular in my country (Doraemon is extremely popular in Asia-Pacific while it's virtually unknown in the US). Do westerners care about Doraemon, or do you even know about Crows? I bet you don't. PISS OFF WESTERNERS, MAKE YOUR OWN ANIMES FOR FUCK SAKE IF YOU FIND THEM PROBLEMATIC, YOU ARE NOT EVEN THE DEMOGRAPHIC TARGET IN THE FIRST PLACE
Tokyo Revengers is inspired by the real life gang era. As a kid, the author of the series used to be a gang member, kids as young as 12-13 were joining gangs and riding motorcycles. There is a good video on RUclips of the era, "Japan's most violent biker gang".
Yeah but like he was saying.. Them being kids is okay because it works in this setting like you just said; however, the show takes away the entire aspect of school and all of the things (parents) that would stop this from happening- like the kid fights a big "highschooler" (ligit a 20 year old man) and stuff like that which is fun to watch but hard to believe. I watched Tokyo Revengers and loved it but the plot could use some strengthening. Also as he said (while he was speaking facts), this is too controversial of a topic to have an opinion on so just don't verbally molest me or anything for this lol.
@@solarflames6490 Delinquency in Japan during 80-90s was real. Mid to high schoolers bike gang were rampant during that period. They stole, fought, destroyed public properties, and even had businesses with Yakuza. Their parents either just didn't care about it or just too tired from overworking (overworking is still an issue now, but back then was even way more terrible). Tokyo Revenger is pretty much based on that period of time.
Like Yankee-Biker Teen violence was a serious juvenile crime problem back in that decade in Japan. I guess Charlie just did not bother to do some research about the real-life history Tokyo Revengers is based on.
I think I understand how creating a character who isn’t fully an adult can really connect with a lot of people. Watching anime as a teen and seeing other teens save the world is great. And we’re still kids on the inside. But yeah if there’s no point to the story, its definitely just sexualizing kids. Japan has a thing for young teens :/
Definitely. I understand that they also do it to pander to the older audience that is watching it but it still is strange when the protagonist looks like an adult but is technically 15 and has harems, smokes, drinks, actively skips school, and does a lot of illegal stuff.
@@cherrybramble no it's really the stigma in Japan. 80% of the man rather want a young school girl over a full grown woman. There is even a whole bussines going on where they recruit underage girls to preform songs and dance for adult man
Since a lot of people bring this up: No, it is absolutely not legal for an adult to sleep with a teenager in Japan. Yes, the national age of consent in Japan is 13, BUT every prefecture raises that age to 16, 17, or 18. So on paper it might be legal nationally for an adult to sleep with a 13yo, in practice they would get arrested for breaking the local prefecture laws. It's also true that these prefecture laws are worded ambiguously and allow adults to sleep with a 13yo if it's "consensual", BUT that's just what it says on paper. In practice it's virtually impossible to prove that an adult is not taking advantage of a teenager's age when they sleep with them, and so it's still straight-up illegal. Unfortunately the wording of these laws cause a lot of misconceptions overseas, but they really aren't much different from American laws when you look at how they're actually enforced. Granted, these laws do still cause issues, though it's very rare. A couple years ago a dad was initially ruled not guilty of raping his daughter because the court deemed the sex "consensual." The decision was thankfully overturned, but it sparked a LOT of outrage within Japan. Because of this case, a lot of Japanese citizens are now pressuring the government to raise the national age of consent to 18. Which is all to say... no, the age of consent in Japan has nothing to do with why anime characters are so young. There's definitely a lot of cultural reasons for why anime is the way it is, but the age of consent is not one of them. It's also important to note that Japanese Otaku (anime fans) are just a subculture of Japan, and do not represent the country as a whole. There's a lot of different opinions on the subject in and outside of Japan. edit: I originally said that the age of consent is 18 in all prefectures, but it actually ranges from 16-18. (Similar to the U.S., where the age of consent ranges from 16-18 depending on the state.)
According to Google: In Okinotori Islands and Marcus Islands, the local age of consent is 13 years. It is crazy that the national law would even allow 13, and it's even crazier that there are many places that allow adults to have sex with 13-year-olds. If Arizona allowed murder because national law permitted murder, then it is within the right of everyone to say that the U.S. permits murder. Same here with Japan, some territories, and islands, allow for sex with 13-year-olds, so it is fair to say that Japan does not prohibit pedophilia.
@@Purplespectrum98 I mean Japan may be a first world country, but they really just became open to everyone a few decades ago, they were pretty isolated for most of Japan's existence which is why the culture and values are still heavily respected. Now this isnt an excuse, but it is not like the US which has had relationships with other nations ever since its founding.
@@hira2357 I’m not saying I disagree, I was just stating that regardless of your stance it’s hard to get angry at how Charlie expresses his opinion, my comment did make it sound like I disagreed so I totally get why you thought that
I feel like for the middle school and high school plotlines: Many of the authors and Japanese people in general idolize their experiences of primary school and things like that, mainly becaues adulthood sucks shit when you're working in Japan. So honestly, the main blame to me for the plot being so unrefined, is just the fact people want to go back to their times in highschool or middle school, where it is seen as the 'prime' time in your life. While in western societies, turning 18 is seen as the 'prime' time/the 20 year old ages.
Yeah I think that's exactly right. Perhaps it's not just escapism, I think to show adults just messing about instead of being responsible boring work drones probably wouldn't appeal to the Japanese. And sure, perhaps when it's subbed or dubbed for the west they could change the ages, but then you'd have the wrecking crew of purists complaining it's not faithful to the original...
While we are venting, here is the thing I hate most about anime: The overabundance of clichee or trope characters. You got the silent, edgy-cool character like Sasuke, the loud, energetic and goodhearted dude like Naruto and so on. It has come to a point where most animes feel like copies with the same characters in different settings. What's even more infuriating to me is that we hardly ever see any REAL growth that transformes these characters. It's fine to start out as Naruto-Copy 2000 but by the end of the series I would like to see something that could be a real person and not this shallow thing with a personality the depth of a grocery-list!
u have to look at it in 2 ways the first is the people who publish the anime are telling them to make the people like a copy of naruto so it will sell second would be they make it like naruo so it would sell well because of how popular naruto was (u also have to look how the older genration have so much pull and at the end of the day its not really there fault i mean look at nintindo) one last thing for shonen to be shonen it has to have shonen things does it not !
those are shounen animes you're talking about man, all shounen have the same plot and zero development, try watching a silent voice (90 minute movie) and you'll see the huge difference between shounen and shoujo (i watch like 95% shoujo anime bc it's shorter and more realistic and stuff)
I think i've read this somewhere but can't remember where but, one of the main reasons why there are so many cliched characters (especially the mc) is bcs japanese ppl in general don't like to stand out or be unique. They prefer to be "normal". That's why almost every shonen mc is a carbon copy of one another.
There's plenty of shows where it being in high school made sense. But then you get shows like Attack on Titan where the main characters are 15 for literally no reason. (I think they're older in part 4 but that's just the very end of the show).
One thing that really annoys me is small children in military settings. You’re telling me this 8 year old little girl is a commander of an air craft carrier?
It depends on how they handle child soldiers tbh, just brushing it under the rug sucks but actually analysing the mental effects it has on them and the ethics surrounding it can make a really good show (see stuff like 86 or Evangelion, I hear it's also a major theme in a lot of older Gundam)
If you have any doubts or are a little disgusted, find out the reasons and causes. In the first place, Tokyo Revengers is not a work made for foreigners.
Anime/manga in Japan is very reluctant on showing actual 'realistic mature' adults, because the majority of their audience don't prefer adulthood over their young times. When Mushoku tensei novel was running in the past, the part showing 'middle-aged MC in real life' caused an enormous backlash, and it wasn't just because of the questionable act MC did. The audience didn't like getting reminded what adulthood in real life can end up in. The maximum I know was Genshiken showing a somewhat realistic college life, and even that was largely underrated despite being a great show because a large portion of audiences just didn't want mature realism shoved up their rest-time.
This is a very good point. We forget that no matter how dystopian life seems here in America, its worse in Japan. You can really see the need for escapism in the proliferation of the Isekai genre.
Its interesting, in Japan they seek anime as a way to escape ,not to be reminded of realistic kinds of settings. But outside of Japan you see alot of people really like the more realistic settings more, like SNAFU
@@caseyb1346 Yes, and Inuyashiki's first episode shows a aspect of this 'Real Japan' in a short but efficient way. The man can't even tell others about being diagnosed with cancer because he can't handle the possibility where everyone, including his family, just 'didn't care'. AAAAND Inuyashiki massively undersold despite being praised by youtube critics and a lot of anime fans. Don't you see a pattern here? Realism doesn't sell in Japan.
@@theprocrastinator6813 That is true. casey b up there said it first, but the popular 'Isekai' genre literally shouts "My life here is fucked. The only way I turn up okay is if I get hit by a truck and get transferred to a fantasy world with special powers"
stop watching anime. its made by peddle files for pedle files. it must be banned. all anime watchers should be sent to camps fema and placed into ovens
Tokyo Revengers was a great example to bring up. I get the high school (or middle school) delinquent idea, and for takemichi and his friends being young, dorky and naive, but for the rest of the gang members they basically acted as complete adults despite being 1-2 years older. You can only suspend your disbelief so far, especially with the contrast between takemichi and everyone else right in your face the whole time.
@@ihee007 even worse when you realise he was the adult in a child's body but was way less mature/experienced than people 10 years mentally younger than him
Not to call you out, I don't mean any disrespect, but isn't funny how a show about a time traveling kid/young adult is able to go back and fix his past mistakes (I've never really watched it passed the trailer), and yet the thing that breaks it for you (and many others) is the fact that the kids don't act like kids lol. Anime is so bizarre to me at times
I mean, most of it is cause they're vulnerable kids that had to learn street strength: they come from disfuncional families with tons of abuse (and becomes more evident in the manga. It doesn't make sense fore guys like takemtchy that seems to have a nice house and stuff, but making it about teenagers helps to the idea that they are still not mature enough to make good decisions and choose the non violent paths
Tokyo Revengers is a shounen anime. They're middle schoolers because the target demographic are 14-15 year olds
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ive had a theory about this actually (edit for clarity: why action animes like tokyo revengers and jjks use students), and it may be because middle school (up to about 9th grade) is the last form of compulsory education in japan. high school is optional and college is even less so, most people go straight into companies and become salarymen which is a huge part of japanese society and have very little time to themselves other than to slave away at work. middle school-high school being one of their only points of carefreeness, it makes sense to see so many series focus in on that time of the characters lives. tho even then, the way they have exams for entering high school/college is so much harder than in america to the point where they have a whole thing about 4 hours of sleep, 20 hours of study. if you arent familiar with how japan works, seeing so many series based in high schools/middle schools may seem overly creepy, but it makes a bit more sense when you know the context behind it. when it comes to the oversexualization of these characters, though, thats a different story...japan has a serious pedo and cp problem
@Trash Man this is a common misconception, federally yes, but all the prefectures have it higher. it ranges from 16 to 18 just like most parts of the developed world.
@@txcgladiator4030 I'll get a comment removed because RUclips has determined I used a spicy word or phrase, but then these bots can stay up no problem. Susan is useless.
I think Hunter x Hunter made a good example of having MC's being children. There are so many shitty and terrorizing stuff happening in that anime, but most of the time we watch it in the perspective of mentally juvenile children, thus strangely making the experience somehow lighthearted... I still remember the scene in hunter exam when some guy literally fell to his death in front of Gon but he didn't give a fuck because he was too exited to solve the puzzle there. Through the series it never changes, if you aren't one of Gons close friends, he would forget about you in 2 seconds even after your head explodes brutally. Which is quite child-like behaviour if you ask me. (Gon and Killua were the only guys having fun in that universe besides hisoka lol) Edit: Yeah I know Gon is fucked up lol
Idk I think it makes sense we see he cares about general population as he says he can’t stand the troupe for killing people it’s simply that he accepts the deaths of those who are ready to die or those that made the active choice to do somthing that might kill them like taking the hunter exam jsut like how luffy helps people in one piece but we see him and his crew essentially kill people but they were all marines or other pirates people who made the choice to have there life at stake
I agree on the "why are they being sexualized" part, but them being kids helps teens relate to them, and the idea of "they're teens but they don't go to school or their parents aren't around that much so they could've worked as adults and it would be better" seems a bit much to me. When you're young, not only is your frontal lobe not fully developed, but also your hormones are basically on a riot. Because of that it's easier to manipulate you and it's easier for you to make stupid mistakes. That gives authors freedom when it comes to problems and villains: my sympathetic villain can totally be an adult, except, why would he be a villain? There are a lot of ideas sure, but making a character you can sympathize with children is easier. I'd love to see an anime that focuses on adults go super popular, but teens are just the best. They're not oblivious to the world's problems but they aren't mature either, which makes them more interesting. (Also wanting a goofball in your show and making them an adult always cringed me so much-)
Charlie’s absolutely right, it’s weird when they show 14-15 year middle schoolers doing the things that adults should be doing. Why can’t they show people in their 20s
Because what most people watch that are popular is shonen made for basically pre-teen to teenage ages you would have to read or watch the seinen Genre to find more mature stories where characters are 18 or higher
I love anime but I’ve thought about this for a while too. When I was 15, it didn’t cross my mind how weird it was because you think you’re mature by then. But now that I’m 25, it’s bizarre seeing kids in those situations constantly in these shows. It might be different if it was a one off but it really does seem to happen all the time. It seems rare when you have a protagonist in their 20s or 30s, let alone anything older than that.
It takes a strong person to express their distaste about certain aspects about anime because it’s one of the most controversial things to talk about on the internet, next to politics. Charlie deserves our utmost respect and support for this.
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Ah frick, bots!
@@hollowsid9623 yeah there are way to many here in the replys of the comments
true
Anime is one of the most hated things on the internet lol. I guess thousands of people have a lot of courage every day.
An anime about anything other than high school is honestly rare (in the context of all anime). It's mainly because of the work ethic in Japan. The only time they get to be carefree in middle/high school
I want to say that's not true but actually yeah I just realised that so many modern anime do this
There's a lot of truth to this.
@Amina & Hiba Show wth
@@ytisshit461 What do you mean it's not true? It's been said in so many interviews on this exact subject and has been given as a reason by Japanese anime fans
@@ytisshit461 Also the high school trope is way more common in older anime. Modern anime seems to be moving into different settings
It's gonna be okay Charlie. Weebs are way more forgiving than K-pop stans.
Criticizing BTS is the true hell.
Brave lad
I can already see the BTS fans is going to flood in these comments..
Both are hell spawns.
@@farhanzz_2626 HERE THEY COME GET DOWN
@@ammarsalim1185 i agree
I also hate it when characters get into a relationship where the age gap is bigger than boeing 747.
Bad writing does that often
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Indeed
747 year age gap
@@hybridShinxand weirdos
As much as I love anime I despise how bad it’s fans can be and how it causes people to generalize others because of their shitty behavior
Bro the community can get so goddamn toxic, it just ruins the image of the anime watchers lmaaooooo
Yea
dawg the video aint even done yet
Just you know Ignore all the boys above or below me
The AOT fanbase and MHA fanbase in a nutshell: Upon Pillars of Salt, Pillars of Salt, Pillars of Salt
"I'm a PTSD ridden war veteran with so much experience that I could take on a single army with just my left arm. Also I'm 14 years old."
- A lot of anime characters.
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Learning that violet ever garden is like 16 in the anime was baffling
@MGTHREE Entrepreneur Hell and the Devil aren't in the original texts. They're an invention of inaccurate translations and later views of the religion. They're not accurate to the Bible. You're also describing Gehenna wrong.
"I'm your average middle schooler" *shows a massive buff dude*
@@Arexion5293 giving serious answers to a bot is a waste my dude
As someone who watches anime semi religiously. I agree, Fanservice oversexualization, and even the concept of “loli” range from annoying to appalling
Genuinely disturbing to me. I’ve stopped watching anime just out of how uncomfortable I constantly am seeing it
loli is loli.
no matter how "sometimes appealing" others say for it, it is still awful and horrible.
its literally why i kinda stick to seinen or specific shonen now, i mean sure obviously berserk has some grotesque scenes but id rather read that and not be apart of it than watch underage sexualising
@@Chris-np6br he said appalling, which means the opposite
@@fart63 depends on the animeis you're watching
I’m Japanese. I understand that you feel so, and I don't deny your opinion.
Let me share a few things.
As a fact, there were so many students like Tokyo Revengers in the 80s to 00s. They were all students who rode motorcycles and fought all the time. My father was the same way.
And Japanese people have the most freedom while they are students. You can do anything you want and it is really fun, and that period is everything. Once you become an adult, people say “You are an adult, you should not do such a foolish thing. It's embarrassing.”
Yeah culture is totally different.
そうだな。文化が違うから日本人は子供や幼女の純情な気持ちを無視し性的観点で取り上げ強姦やお色気シーンなどで自身の性的欲求を満たそうとする。
「フィクションだから」と割り切るのは危険だ。割り切るとは即ち視野を狭めることを意味し、盲目的にならざるを得なくする行為である。
君達はフィクションだから10代、もしくは10代以下の子供を強姦してもいいと思うのか？それを10代、もしくは10代以下の子供に恥じること無く見せることが出来るのか？
@@tomorrow-vd3iv 未成年への性被害は欧米の方が酷いの知ってる？知らない人多いけど海外だとそうゆう行為した後に対象者を殺人までがセットだったりするんだよ？
フィクションだから何してもいいわけじゃないのは同意するけど現実で性被害が起こるよりは二次元で済ませてる日本の方が100倍良いでしょ
@@tomorrow-vd3iv
日本より犯罪率が高い国が言うって、どんなコメディだよ？
フィクションだと割り切るのが危険なら、強盗や殺人も描くのは駄目だろ
@@tomorrow-vd3iv
そうですね！
今後フィクションに犯罪行為やモラルに反する描写を出すのはすべて禁止にしたほうがいいでしょう
どんな世界ができあがるか楽しみだなぁ
@@tomorrow-vd3iv てか強姦してるアニメなんてほとんど無いだろww 変態の見過ぎやgaijin
Netflix: Let’s make a show about kids and make them look like adults.
Anime: Let’s make a show about adults and make them look like kids.
Its basically the same
@@Deastrisk only difference is you won’t get put on an FBI watchlist if you do the anime
@@Deastrisk The other is drawing like a get a life that's just drawing. While the other can be problematic if they put people who are right on the mark with character like cuties
@@pauloazuela8488 toxic
@@greatdayforpizza6974 Not really I'm just explaining on a way others would feel. I'm not insulting the person. It's probably because I made a questionable grammar composition like It should be "Get a life that's just drawing" phrase with quotation to show that It's just a wording and not me directly telling them that. English isn't my native tongue so my bad for messing that up
This is a take I absolutely agree with. The oversexualization of kids in the industry is a big part of why I don't watch ecchi/harem anime, because it's creepy to see 12-15 year olds doing weird shit. It's also a big part of why I don't watch hent@i, for the same reasons. It's just uncomfortable.
I agree with this 💯👍
I agree plus it's gotten people where they're obsessed with younger females cosplaying these characters and it does make it uncomfortable that people go after stuff like that. I'm not gonna lie it makes me uncomfortable knowing my boyfriend finds girls younger than us or at our age that is cosplaying them is attractive because it shows thats all that goes through his head and it's weird 😕
@@kayleyherrera7199 sounds really creepy when you bring cosplay into the mix. and as a guy i just want to tell you, talk with your boyfriend about it.
its also his brain to be honest, monkey see, neurons fire, monkey goes: huehuhuahahaha!
still, there should be clear boundaries.
but i have no context here except your message neither do i need more.
GL!
@@kayleyherrera7199 you should honestly talk to em about it, liking the ones in anime is ehh... but irl???
@@kayleyherrera7199 it's culture in anime, where's the little girl (loli) looks superior than mature woman in common age.
I totally agree. Some animes are supposed to have a younger cast and their stories actually involve their school life (e.g My Hero Academia where them being in school at UA is the actual plot and there's lots of emphasis on how dangerous it is for them to be fighting at such a young age) but others just feel like their age is just being used to appeal to younger viwers, even though the plot doesn't need it lol.
Because that's exactly what it is???? It's a part of the Shonen demographic which LITERALLY means young boy. It's targeted toward Teenage boys, so why are you mad that teenage boys are the main focus??? If you don't want to watch a story aimed towards teenagers then watch a Seinen anime instead, which is also LITERALLY targeted towards adults.
@@ayfadarkn you just said his point with extra steps
@@ayfadarkn this comment just proves the video honestly lol.
@@ayfadarkn There's shounen anime which is still heavily sexualized...
the most popular animes are shonen prehaps that's why
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*Also Western Anime Fanboys:* Get all of their Knowledge of Japanese Culture from Anime, Games, Manga and Light Novels (which are only a Microcosm of Japanese Culture)
I’ve always said this about the kid characters but a Japanese friend of mine said that it just doesnt sell in japan if they’re too old. Mostly because the paying viewers/manga buyers are kids or adults that wish they were kids again :/
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Yea that's pretty much it. Like, almost exclusively.
Gundam does it well, cuz that's the point, other series nosso much lol
Yep, the youth is seen as the "golden days" and adulthood is the time where the fun stops and you have to non-stop work.
@@EvalithFoG Shoot, I’d want to stay as a kid if I lived in japan
this is the rather not-botted comment
This is why I adore Inuyashiki Last Hero. The writer utilized every character archetype possible, in fact they took a 58 year old man and made him one of the most interesting and relatable protagonists ever. So much anime defaults to kid protagonists that they miss out on other ages to tell a new story.
Omg yes dude
I fucking love that manga and anime. Made by the same author who wrote the original Gantz, Hiroya Oku.
Great show
And it massively undersold, which is tragic, and also the reason anime tends to keep being 'anime'
Fuck man what a ride, I remember reading the manga and thinking "this'll never be anime" and then watching the show a few years later, what a breath of fresh air that was.
So one thing I realised when I started living in japan is that sexualising high-school girls (joshi kosei, JK) is a very common thing in their life. You can see school girls being a main sex-fantasy trend in their pop culture, you would see people encourage school girls to reveal themselves in school uniforms or swimsuits. Moreover, in their escort services they even provide uniforms from real private schools for the escort ladies to put on, in order to fulfil the fantasy of their costumers. The obsession of Japanese towards school girls is just bizarre.
Well the thinking behind is that highschool is literally the most, in fruits term, ripe a person will be. Not to young to make it extremely weird, but not to old for not knowing the fucked up world of works and the like.
@@peacechan4500 But... most of the high schoolers are still very young. Ranges from ages 13-18. The only time they're an adult is when they're 18 in their final year. I'm sorry, I just can't get over the fact that they're still very young, maybe few can see the real world but most are still very inexperienced to life and they're still new souls.
I think this phenomenon comes from the fact that the age of consent in japan is 13 still
thats because that place is full of peddle files. change my mind
@@peacechan4500 no too young? bruh its this kind of thinking is how they persecuted the jews. first they started "no too bad just lose rights" next thing you know they got thrown in the oven. its exactly how anime operates to create more peddle files and corrupt our youth
One anime where I think the MC being young works well is YuYu Hakusho.
The main character Yusuke is a kid with a pretty realistic yet troubled origin. His father left him and his mom is a depressed drunk due to having to work all the time and being a single mom. Due to this Yusuke is a pretty troubled kid who hates school and seems to never be able to catch a break. A lot of Yusuke’s journey through the story is him growing up and learning how to cope with all the things that have hurt him or unhealthy beliefs he has. Ofcourse it has action and fantasy elements, but Yusuke being a kid learning to be his own man is integral to the story. The story begins when Yusuke is about 15-16 I believe and ends with him turning about 18, becoming a young adult ready to face the world.
A cultured one I see, that’s the first anime I’ve fully watched through/finished.
Or like serial experiment lain
Another
Corpse party
Blood c
You the goat for this comment. Yusuke’s arc from disrespectful punk to selfless adult is amazing
i'm watching yuyu hakusho rn
Yusuke is like a japanese version of Liu Kang from MK
Japan has an unhealthy obsession with sexualizing schoolgirls. This can at least partially be attributed to the overall all negative impact that the japanese work philosophy has on japanese men, and this schoolgirl obsession becomes an expression of regret and longing for when they were last around young women on a daily basis. This apparently meaningless implementation of middle schoolers in adult anime is another result of the same overall issue, but is (luckily) expressed in other ways. You could also extend this to the whole loli topic, but let's not go down that rabbithole on youtube.
I agree with this 💯👍
I might be completely wrong but probably because their age of consent is so low over there. Just a guess though.
@@PoojHoon it's not, the age of consent is raised to 16-18, the only places where it's 13 are uninhabited.
Anime is fiction compared to Cuties (2020) where they used actual eleven year old girls rather than older women to speak out against the issue, instead they're promoting it as planned. Good 'ol Cr1tikal here talks about the movie and it's worse than you think
Its not so deep at all its just that the readers and majority of the audience of these mangas are 12-17 year olds
This is why I actually liked Aggretsuko so much. It's rare that's it's a realistic office setting full of office politics. And as a result it can do a whole bunch of social commentary on Japanese work culture and is quite relatable.
+1 to this. Aggretsuko is a delight.
Try wotakoi-love is hard for an otaku
It’s an office romance and it’s pretty great
meanwhile MHA fans tryna explain how it is the best anime with their infant mouth and 🤌
.. There are tons of anime that sets in work environment, in fact, aggretsuko is probably inspired from other anime
This world needs more Aggretsuko appreciation
Hearing him saying Platinum ends sucks puts a smile on my face lol
Takeshi Obata's god tier art was just wasted in that pretentious trainwreck
I thought it was just me, platinum end is bad for me and I can't really point out the main reason. One of the reasons is probably because of this weak mc (haven't watched the whole series) who keeps trying to be a good guy, like wtf is that gonna do? He should've died a long time ago if he was like that. There are too many bloodthirsty candidates for the mc to survive
Honestly so many new anime is just basic plot, static characters with fancy animation to cover the shitshow it is
-Looking at you demon slayer-
THIS!!! I thought Platinum End was going to be mindgames; I fvcking dropped it the moment it became sword art online
@@tharunbala7783 demon slayer is a good anime. Using the excuse the animation is the only reason people like it is completely incorrect. People like the story and characters and I’m one of them
@@tharunbala7783 it's because majority of the people watching are still kids with no sense of taste. I remember when i was that toxic bnha fan when i was younger, i didnt even watch other anime besides it.
Why would people hate Charlie for saying this. This is just facts. And personally me I agree with this why can't they just be freaking adults. Cause it literally has nothing to do with the plot it's useless information🤷♂️🤷♀️
Because the people who make these anime are perverted fucking weirdos, why else?
These tropes aren't accidental, they are conscious choices by grown men.
Becuz its fun Yet you guys are just ruining it
@johnmatthewtagaza3692 what's fun? Watching kids fucking each other or that Charlie is spittin fax??😊
They usually make them teens because Japan has a very depressing work culture and high school is culturally viewed as the golden age of your life.
Because anime is mostly for teenagers and children. Why should a teenager watch about grown-up men if he wants to look at peers.
Besides, if writers won't give the characters school uniforms and will say “All characters are 20 years old” you won’t even feel the difference, cause it's anime, not a movie.
As someone who watches a lot of anime, he couldn’t have put it any better. Everytime I see a child being somewhat sexualized in an anime I cringe and stop watching it. It made me put down a lot of anime for just that particular reason.
Same here
I’d stop watching the moment I see the “protagonist with a face that can be mistook for a girl is actually op” cliché
Same
I didn't even bother to watch Seven Deadly Sins because of this, that Ban guy having a relationship with a child looking character and the protagonist constantly groping a minor is just disgusting
So, you write off entire shows the moment they even approach risqué territory, presumably without ever taking the time to stop and consider the context behind such scenes.
Man, you and yours would absolutely *hate* the Fate franchise, in spite of the fact that there are a lot of good stories in it.
It's gotten so bad now that it's practically a selling point to me if the cast is 18 and up.
I'm fed up of Animes chasing their past imaginary high school glory days.
Another trope I'm tired of is relationships never going anywhere. 90% of the time the MC can't even bare the thought to hold hands with anyone.
Even if they do show interest in a girl it never goes anywhere.
or like all the harem animes where the mc doesnt end up with a girl in the end
Usually for many popular series, the author has decided on the waifu and number of chapters, but demand for more chapters causes it to drag on
Nisekoi comes to mind
Just watch seinen anime...
This is getting ridiculous. Complaining about shonen anime showcasing shonen character.
It's like complaining about zhojo-kawai anime showing immature, overly cute character with no plot because it's a slice of life and could be resumed as small skit.
You literally speak from my mind, God bless you! Can you recommend me anything where cast is 18 and up but not too old and relationships actually lead to somewhere and doesn't take 4 seasons to just hold hands. Doesn't matter if it's anime, manga, manhwa, manhua, webtoon, webcomics, webnovels or even western comics.
@Mbita Acoustic Guitar stop promoting your own channel in the comments.
Sexualizing female school uniforms,and school girls in general.. it's so frikking weird and i really don't know why it's a thing.
Yeah i agree, thats a little creepy tbh🤔
Because hebephilia is common in japan
And also it’s normal for people to be into uniforms as long the person in it is an adult. It can be a normal fetish like some people are into “sexy nurse oufits”
@@khazms it's not the same, nurses are adult and school uniforms represent very young people it's still weird and problematic.
@@justamood4050 Not really? In Japan, high schoolers in their 3rd year are 18. So, they are indeed adults.
it made sense to me as a kid when i started watching anime because when you're a kid, 15-17 years olds are all super grown up in your point of view lol so I'm guessing they thought that making them all teenagers would be like "yeah just so we can appeal to younger viewers, making them in their 20s would not make them relatable". Now as an adult, yeah, it's weird lol
The problem is not just anime characters being unreasonably young, its also how at the same time, A lot of perverted behaviour is normalized as well. And people wonder why the anime Community is infested with creepy simps/pedos who sexualize anything with breasts
日本では、「性的すぎる！」とかならないのにアメリカはいつも言っている
you are telling me that western women are not sexualizing girls ? grooming them to do onlyfans when they reach 18 yr ?mind your business. it's japan. it's not usa, the uk, australia, it's JAPAN. you ahve a problem with it ?stop watching anime.@@miyukilalramchuani761
When it comes to utilizing the kid aspect, I can only think of Mob Psycho 100. Only show (that I've seen) showing actualy relatable character development when it comes to kids.
FLCL too, the show is an allegory for going through puberty.
Erased does a great job at it too.
Mob psycho was brilliant
What about naruto?
what about Hunter x Hunter? idk. maybe not that relatable but
I like the fact that Attack on Titan starts when they are 12, then they age up to 15 when they graduate training and become full soldiers. I think it set a tone that there are CHILDREN fighting titans to protect what they believe to be all of humanity. it also makes it to where I feel extremely sad when someone dies because it could have been someone as young as 15. Finally seeing them at age 19 in the final season with like facial hair and new hairstyles and stuff was cool too as if I've seen them grow up a bit
If you get sad from television you need a spanking
@@ricksonpat4451 and dad is gonna bring out the belt and take away your playstation
@@obsculyze5666 ayo
@@ricksonpat4451 If you are gonna preach about what you should and shouldn’t then get sad about on the internet saying why do people disagree with you, you need to unplug your Wi-Fi router.
@@__mindflayer__ the fact of this fucker crying because of fiction is the predicament not my anger
Things I hate about it, is they really don’t like the “show don’t tell” rule when it comes to story telling. Usually explaining almost every detail about what’s going to happen. Even though we saw it happen last episode or 5 minutes ago.
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Death Note did this well for a myriad of reasons, but stuff like JoJo gets grating after the 5th episode in a row of back and forth explaining.
@@elijosc1963 what is happening, youtube has a new spam problem
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Very disappointed to see that the "The Thing I Hate About France" video was not real
I just saw that 😂
There are some animes that use the youth of the characters to provide contrast as they progress through the plot, showing them change from naive/vulnerable to dark and damaged. It makes you feel for the characters more, and I think Tokyo Ghoul did this quite well initially. But for most animes, them being kids is just so irrelevant. The amount they’re sexualised just ends up feeling perverse
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Fanservice stuff are kinda weird
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Japanese culture has an obsession with middle and high school
The Tokyo Ghoul "protagonists" what the whole reason I couldn't stand the show.
I thought he was going to talk about the fandoms.
But this is surprisingly spot on as well.
Let’s be real, fandoms plague nearly everything. From anime to video games to books, ravenous fans do a great job at driving others away from the thing they love
@@ericosborne4122 man you are not kidding about that. I've had conversations with some friends that got heated when I told them I didn't like something. Like I had a friend get almost psychoticly pissed cause I said I thought the last of us 2 was a terrible game. I've gotten to the mindset over the years of that it's fine for people to disagree as long as they're respectful about it. Like we can disagree and that's fine cause we don't have to like all the same stuff. That would honestly be boring. Cause let's be honest opinions about liking something are completely subjective and can't be wrong. Like you can't go around saying somebody is wrong for liking something. That's where I think a lot of people go too far
Fandoms are garbage. It’s okay to have opinions, but don’t attack people for having negative ones, don’t force your animes onto people, and also MIDORIYA ISNT GAY.
@@maikoukun Men the amount of people I heard on discord saying he could be gay.
fr, fandoms can really ruin everything sometimes.
I put off watching MHA for the longest time because of the fandom.
I ended up watching it to see why people even liked it and it turns out I actually quite like the anime, and I think its a good anime.
I'm not sure I'd call myself a fan (I liked the anime), but I'm definitely not apart of the 'fandom'.
I think the reason that characters are randomly middle-schoolers and high-schoolers is to appeal to younger audiences but it completely backfires in many cases. I completely agree with Charlie, characters shouldn’t be young without any significance to plot or else it drives things into uncomfortable and obscure situations. These kinds of things should be more reserved towards slice-of-life and coming-of-age genres where the entire story wraps around more relatable age groups instead of inserting them into grim and dark plots.
Exactly I was gonna comment the same thing, Thanks!
The reason being they are shounen, made for shounen, published in a magazine targeted at shounen. What Charlie should've done is watch anime where he is the targeted audience.
It's like people complaining why sesame street or barnie is childish, it's made for kids.
shounen is the demographic not a genre
Like what naruto used to be. Now tho, shippers know no limits.
keep coping
Glad someone said it. Even worse when the creepiness is a substitute for good writing. Sick of watching trash shows that people highly rate because of creep shots.
Manga writers/anime producers trying not put fan service and sexualize a child or preteen for 10 seconds: **impossible**
not all
Take my like
Mushoku Tensei fans explaining how hesitating before going down on a 15 year old is amazing character development
@@gab_2444 I mean its better than him not hesitating,but funny comment nonetheless
That happens all the time 🤣 u don't watch anime huh
Another thing about anime that can bother me, depending on the show and the characters, is making the males look like adults and the females look like children. There's also been times when they have a significant age difference and then there's the brother or sister in love with their sibling. I find these to be a detriment to the enjoyment of the stories.
I agree with this 💯👍
To look young and useful is the beauty standard in Asian countries especially Japan they wouldn't want to make them look older that's not what they consider beautiful
Youthful
chill lil bruv its just pictures
@@mrsilent4146 fax 🤣
I'm a big slice of life fan and I wish more of those shows featured an adult cast. Gimme a stressed out office worker falling in love with the girl who works at 7-11 or some shit. That could be great. Getting real sick of cultural festivals and club rooms and shit LMAO
I've been looking for that same sort of stuff I hate how rare it is. I had to look through manga to find a lot of series like that since there's a limit to how many anime exist versus manga/light novels.
- "Can You Keep a Secret?" (Kono Kaisha ni Suki na Hito ga Imasu), office romance kinda similar to what you described, one of my favorites
- Frieren at the funeral, a fantasy slice of just a journey without harem garbage/overly sexualized characters for no reason that makes you feel whistful instead of trying to be all action and fanservice.
(I still like these series, but there is the limit to synopsis writing that is worth doing on a random youtube comment)
- A rare marriage, how to grill our love
- Kawaii Joushi wo komarasetai
- First comes love, then comes marriage
- Kijima-san to yamada san
- Honnou Switch (Can be a bit nsfw, for the record, but it's not in a gratuitous or weird way imo)
Cheers if anyone actually uses this lol
I really hope that some of these series get animated at some point, because we **need** to see more series like this, everything Charlie said was right on the money. I have enjoyed many anime and manga, but that doesn't change the fact that the industry as a whole does these things, and some of the most popular and loved anime do all the shit he mentioned.
@@Sueshe Thanks for the recs :D
I know it is probs mentioned somewhere (too lazy to read comments) but Wotakoi is a cute romance anime about 2 adult otaku couples dating.
In addition to Wotakoi the guy above me mentioned, Recovery of an MMO Junkie was a romance SoL featuring adults that I really liked. Maybe also check out Golden Time.
I've started watching slice of life and just not shounen anime and honestly it's way better. I finished "I've been killing slimes for 300 years and maxed out my level" and it's really chill and enjoying to watch compare to other shounen anime
When I was in Japan travelling for a while I asked my friends about this & they explained it very well
Basically according to them it’s a cultural trope (sounds obvious, but here’s what they said more specifically). Work culture and work ethic in Japan is so extreme (people collapse and even sometimes die from it - there’s really a mindset of putting the company before everything including your personal life) that lots of people in Japan view their time in high school or middle school with rose-tinted glasses as the best time in their life. Thus the trope was born and most anime are set during that period even if it has nothing to do with the storyline because it’s widely seen as the golden years essentially.
As a Brit that honestly was pretty depressing to hear them say, but they did point out that not everyone feels that way. It’s just a trope which over the years has been more and more played into. Thus the current state of anime
Thank you for explaining! I'm a person that thinks there is always explanation to seemingly unnatural behaviours. Your point of view makes it totaly understandable why this phenomenon exist in the first place.
I understand but I think it's also because most anime shows target teenagers, especially shounen shows, as shounen litteraly means "for young boys".
still is lame asf kids fucc another kids is too much.
@@monstar3626 Pretty common misconception, anime that’s exported outside of Japan is marketed towards teenagers and is mainly (as you said) Shōnen, but that makes up only a part of the Japanese anime industry not the whole thing (which is huge).
In Japan there are anime and manga made for; children, teenagers and adults (even OAPS) but the other three examples here don’t export as much as the teenage aimed material. The West’s (industry) impression of anime was “oh it’s just well made cartoons, so it must be for kids and teens”, so they’ve brought over mainly that content - but just like adult American cartoons (Family Guy, American Dad, Archer etc) Japan has a huge amount of anime which is targeted towards older audiences (without being sexually explicit content) and also a lot of other series specifically just for very young children.
The Shōnen series are just the biggest export that’s all. Yeah it does mean that, but Shōjo (for girls) exists along side that… along with Seinen (usually young men or adult men up to late thirties), Josei (adult women) etc. So respectfully, you don’t really have a point because you’re ignoring the existence of everything that’s not Shōnen to make your point that it’s “aimed at teens”. I’d recommend checking out other types, there’s a lot more to anime than what’s just in Shōnen 😊
@@Rosenfeld. Thanks for the info
My point was that most of anime shows target teens, not all of them.
Nothing worse than being interested in an anime you think has a good plotline, then they just add some super fucking weird stuff into it like the sister being in love with her brother or a child looking character who's "actually 500 years old"
Hestia from Danmachi is one of loli I quite uncomfortable...
High rise invasion
Attack on Titan manages to kind of do both.
@@intanannis7971 idk I'd disagree hestia in my eyes doesn't look that young and idk bout you but kids dont have d cups
Bungo Stray Dogs has unfortunately done that first one 💀 a pretty great series but man does that stuff make me uncomfy.
Anime MCs being teens is most likely due to that being the target demographic. But i agree, the industry does need more adult MCs
Stop watching shonen anime if you're looking for non-shonen protagonists. Shonen literally means youthful boy.
Tbh theres a lot anime that have adult mc if you search deeper
Or more Seinen. But sadly Seinen doesn't sell much.
@@rayyanali4471 Because most adults don't actually watch anime. MAYBE they read manga but hardly any anime
Lmao stop watching shonen and you will find enough adult mc's
You know it’s true when a character being 17 is a refreshing anime. Even better when they are all adults that don’t make stupid decisions every turn.
You should try different genres like seinen for the story being targeted to young male adults or middle aged men. There are genres so yeah shonen most of the time have teenagers as main characters. It would be nice if this could be of any help.
If you like that then Id recommend you watch monster
@@arthur0023 It's Watched 20 episodes of it. It's pretty slow. Warning to his recommending anime.
@@endkatana3530 It’s a bit slow but it’s still one of the best animes
@@AliRaza-yf7bp I think that isn't just my taste. It's pace is too slow for me.
It is good anime to recommend.
Just brought this up on Reddit and the amount of creeps defending the animated sexualization children is WIIIIILLLDDDD!
Nothing new....
@@CarecaRusso Most of us are just normal folks who are very disgusted at this topic being so common in anime, and then there's the bad ones that ruin the appearance of the entire community. We are really not all like that.
So ? You want to ban anime or what ?
@@MrDecom002 it would be great if it wasn’t sexualizing children. Idk why that’s so hard to ask or understand ??
@@0oohnegative Korean animes are for you if you don't like Japanese one. Just leave the Japanese one alone.
I'm a weeb, and this man is spitting facts. There absolutely needs to be more shows with staring adults. Or hell, put them in college if you want to have the school still be there.
My favorite anime’s starring adults is Mushishi, Nana, Yuri on Ice (tho still has some teen characters but majority are young adults or older) plus the main character is in their early 20s, CowboyBepop, and B the Beginning.
Anime is cringe and annoying get a job
@@Pure100percentfacts_ Have a job and watch anime. Next.
@@Pure100percentfacts_ based
Isn't this mostly about shounen animes though? I get that shounen is the mainstream for anime, but in Japan it's literally a genre that targets teen boys. If you're looking for older protagonists try seinen instead...
When it’s a Slice of Life, it makes sense with the school setting, but most other anime, it doesn’t really need setting. It would make more sense if the characters were older and it wouldn’t really take away from the story. I also agree with the notion that Platinum End is not that good.
Op and Ed go hard tho
Yup agreed! Slice of life genre shows actual school life.
Like it could be a slice of life about other stuff. But yeah. A school setting makes sense when the basis is living life as a student. And all the random stuff you can get up to during that phase of life.
I also noticed that when i was younger, i want to be like batman, superman, james bond, rambo,etc. all these adult characters but when it comes to anime, i somehow dont want to be like the teenage main character because i know for a fact that teens are cringy and annoying.
I honestly dont know where they get the idea that the characters of the show should also be a teen if the show is targeted to teenagers. All the things i aspired to be when i was a kid are always adult characters but i dont remember wanting to be a teenage character.
This is why I miss the 80's anime style. You could immediately tell the character's age and there was just more detail in general.
I assume this new/common art-style in anime is simply cheaper to draw and animate. The characters looking like kids is a side effect
💯💯💯💯
80% of modern anime female characters looks like 5 years old
Dose it even matter they will probably say that the blatantly looking 7 year old girl is actually 20000 years old so they can justify drawing sexualized kids
Good to see you hear underdawg! Keep up the great videos!
True
Anime if it’s high school: 🗑️ 🤮 🤢
Anime if it’s fighting: 💥 🗿
completely agree. the obsession with kids in anime when they should be adults absolutely destroys my enjoyment sometimes
The over sexualization of characters of any age makes me drop a lot of shows, especially bothers me when the characters young
@@white.4023 exactly this. as a weeb myself i won't watch anything tagged ecchi. I watch hentai, and I watch normal anime. I don't need a inbetween.
@@Subt0nix bruh
@@binemisko he spiting facts ngl
@@Subt0nix if u refuse to watch ecchi, u're not a weeb ure a normal person that watches anime every once in a while
As an anime fan, I’m glad someone actually admits to liking Jojo part one, usually someone will tell you to skip part one-which I think is kinda crazy because I think Jonathan Joestar is awesome and part one and two are very important (obviously) to the overall story; I don’t get why people tell others to skip.
Jonathan needs more respect man
Personally I can’t watch jojo, the animation and outfits just cringe me tf out.
@@riioas5543 For me the first 3 part is at least ok. But the rest of it literally the characters looks weird and the art animation looks like you having a fever dream or an acid trip.
Ikr. I actually loved part 1, I get mad when people tell others to skip part 1 ngl..But I can get how it gets boring at times
@@riioas5543 I respect your opinion, but you should watch it for the story rather than what they’re wearing but I’m not forcing you or anything it’s all good.
I absolutely agree. If you're looking for an actual reason why they're always 15, it's because the targeted audience for the show is usually teenagers, (anyone from the age of 12-18 years old) so they try to aim for an age that's somewhere in the middle so the characters are relatable. However, the ones you brought up sounds like they have much more mature themes and I agree, the characters definitely should be aged up for the sake of making the show less creepy. Typically if the main characters are adults it's intended for an older audience, so it is strange whenever they have 12 year olds as the main cast in a more mature anime.
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It’s called platinums end and I only read it because it was the same guys who did deathnote that made it. It’s a manga first… then an anime. The first two volumes I read told me everything. I felt really gross reading it.
I now understand why people were adamant to sell their collection of it now
Holy shit… he’s right that the characters in plat end didn’t need to be highschoolers at all…
@@Nitrodino7875 platinum end is is Shonen Jump
Shonen Jump is a teen male magazine that is why
As someone whose media of choice is usually anime, they are just cartoons, many are overrated, fanbases suck, and everything you said is true
Calling anime cartoon is really disrespectful to the artists cartoon and anime are really different
I live in Japan, and have talked to a number of people about this. Although, to be honest, I see more often anime is usually based in High School and not JHS. So I've asked a number of people, "Why are so many anime characters in high school?"
I asked an Otaku girl I went to the Kyoto Manga museum with and even some ladies at a Maid Cafe, as well as their boss. All of them except the boss had more-or-less the same answer; "I never really thought about that." Which, ironically, is what I would call the "lip of the well of the culture", where maintaining the status quo is ingrained into most of Japanese culture. The boss of the maid cafe had a slightly more interesting answer where he told me that most adults are too busy after high school to have fantastic adventures, high schoolers are blank slates.
And, as someone who's written some stories that involve younger children, most of the story they could be replaced with adults for most of it; I rarely acknowledged their schooling, or their parents, because the story wasn't about their school, nor was it about their parents, so it was tough to make room for those concepts within the story I wanted to write. However, the reason I chose to make it about kids is that it makes the scale of "something bigger than the layman's understanding" feel that much bigger, it also helps to justify seemingly irrational behavior - so long as I kept the "they're just kids" idea at the front of the readers mind, I think it's easy for the reader to justify why a character might do something that is poorly thought out.
Exactly! I don’t get why people don’t understand this. Anime characters tend to mostly be kids or teenagers for the sake of A) target audience/demographic, B) marketing/genre, and/or C) having an easier time writing the characters doing irrational things, or having character flaws that feel believable. Especially in coming-of-age stories.
That’s why shounen anime and shoujo anime are their own subgroups. And it’s why not as many of them revolve around adults.
And it’s why seinen anime are the ones that tend to mostly revolve around adults and more adult issues.
Adults often don’t go through the same issues or immaturity that kids and teens go through that make a lot of shounen anime work, so they often end up as side characters, mentor figures, or villains instead.
I get Charlie says the characters being the age that they are isn’t relevant to the plot of Tokyo Revengers specifically, but I saw a few comments detailing how gang activity does tend to happen with characters that age-with the anime obviously exaggerating some things since it’s fictional.
This reply was very true. Adolescence is bliss when you’ve got time to kill, especially since I’ve been an adult all but for one year now.
@@komarunaegi7460 ye but at the same time a majority of animes are unrelateable. Just entertaining
Yeah but you don't make your characters fuck
@@kartikreddy4102 That’s subjective tho. Different people relate to different things. Especially when anime mostly really cares about appealing to Japanese audiences. A lot of anime *is* meant to be entertaining and a lot of people (including in Japan) do only see it as that, but there are a lot of people that do end up relating to some of the characters and their struggles, too.
Take a shot every time he says “them being kids doesn’t add anything to the plot”
Jokes aside tho, I completely agree
Say the n word
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@@mstoutofservice3904 Nutella
The thing is the statement is worded in a way where it might be true. The real question is not if children add something to the plot but if adults would take something from the plot.
@@Speedy_stage902 you are a brave guy
I always just bump them up to college age in my head when its a show about school kids. I get its likely a culture thing but it's still incredibly weird and perverted.
Indeed
"no Mr Henson you don't understand!! I just bump her up to college age in my head"
Because it's made for teen boys if your an adult then don't watch shouen
And they way a lot of them are drawn they look more like college age anyways
Age of consent in Japan is 13
Hypersexualization of women and harem is so disgusting... Poorly written female characters i feel so upset they can't make an iconic female character and they always make the male protagonists ugly and boring af.The showing of cleavage for fanservice and no clothes on girls is considered as jokes. Like why adapt it in anime when there's amazingly made manga that Do not need loser's fantasy in it im UPSET
Yeah I wish I could like anime but how they treat women stops me.
Oh fuck yes. I'm so fucking tired of kids in animé. SpyXFamily is the first animé I'm watching with adult protagonists since One Punch Man and-goodness-I felt so relieved that such an animé exists in the mainstream.
I'm curious, what do you think about Anya as a child character?
@@user-el7rk2qr7r She behaves like a child only. Her struggles are school, friendship and studies, not fighting supervillains. Not some pre-teen doing adult shit. So I'm fine with it.
@@user-el7rk2qr7r well she is already a best girl in anime 2022
@@MeowtronStar bruh how many anime did you watch?
@@davidtwilight2363 wtf u mean best girl
Promised neverland is a good example of an anime where them being kids actually made sense
Ans theyre also not sexualised, theyre put in awful situations but its not weird shit, just horrific shit which is the point
Well only the first season though but the second season though.....
And My hero academia
@@miniatureben3558 yeah but the manga is fantastic, one of the best animanga imo
@@guywithasword6561 Nah its kinda rushed too, they literally ruined norman lol,
I can think of two reasons:
1. To sell this fantasy to their target audience
2. To fit a certain type of character growth, that main character from platinum end would look pretty weird as an adult
Your first point is probably the most accurate one. Shounen anime/manga authors typically make the most important characters teenage boys because the target audience are teenage boys and it makes the characters more relatable to them. Same with shoujo but with teenage girls(though more often than shounen series there's more of a mix of boys too).
@@Mutterschwein i agree totally. That is most definitely it
I really hope Charlie sees this one because this is definitely the answer, its for the target audience members for them to be able to relate with the characters, people like to watch things they can relate to.
Also even though in America we may see these mature themes in anime too vulgar but Japan seems to have different views.
Also lets be honest, when were younger a good amount of us were into being exposed to mature content and that made us be even further interested in the content.
I thing your initial point is most accurate. The age of concent in Japan is 13 which gives them this weird grey area to make content like that that TECHNICALLY "isn't weird" because the characters are "past the age of concent", but is also fulfilling to the audience who have those fantasies about those age groups.
Another reason I can think of is that the Japanese society's impact on the authors, whereas they had all the fun, innocence, and all in high school before entering the adult world in which they considered dull or empty, though I think that's only for the shonen category of anime and not like the seinen category of anime where main characters are actually adults
I remember getting shit on bye weebs for saying it's wrong to sexualise characters that look like a child even if they look like a child
Because you're really wrong, only some stupid western fan like you believe the 10000 years old loli vampire is a problem.
Thats why i hate the anime community
@@KamiDionysusdo you have any prove/argument for why it is not problematic?
Because this shitty trope is disgusting, and the only reasson that anime studios do it is to get money from pedos, and to this day I have never seen anyone give an good argument in it's favor(it's is always just terrible excuses from lolicons)
@@joaopedrobenicio8283 You won't find any of them because all they will say is
"you cant seperate fiction from reality" argument, but my good argument would be to counter is that they have literally just normalized themselves to jerking off to the literal fictional child there not trying to see as a child, basically being in denial of what they really are to justify their children fetish urges.
@@joaopedrobenicio8283 It is very problematic, please most of us hate lolis anyways and it really are the borderline pedophiles that give a bad name to the entire community.
I agree with Charlie on this one. It is kind of strange to see child characters doing adult things with no explanation as to where the parents are. I'd also like to throw in a hot take of my own: I don't like anime where the pervert character gets away with intentionally manhandling, or straight up molesting/gr@ping, other characters because they are either children, female, or homosexual. I'm not talking about scenarios where the character trips and unintentionally gropes someone. I'm talking about characters groping and molesting other characters on purpose without the consent of the one getting assaulted, and getting away with it.
yeah and they make that a quirky personality trait too like no?? thats a crime??
Yeah the tengen scene
Yaoi™
And they use the term "Man of Culture" if you like these stuffs which is just a negative influence to someone using the internet. They somehow tolerate these kind of things by saying that they're a man of culture without realizing their actions. The wrong contextualization and usage of Man of Culture sometimes affect someone
It's a common occurrence for characters to trip and "accidentally" grope another character? Anime is odd
Shinji is probably the best representation of an actual kid, he's immature, he can't take big decisions alone, he's very sensitive and actually feels real
like me!!
Omg he's just like me fr fr
@@daxaalc158 fr
And then the Evangelion movie "came" in. (No pun intended)
this just made me remember some scenes with asuka from 2.22
The sense of responsibility instilled in the adults of East Asia is strong. Parents are expected to die for their children, workers are expected to work themselves to death, and no one is expected to complain, the only time they were ever free of that expectation is when they were kids. Even the artists in the studios that produce the anime are probably working themselves ragged.
yep
They're incredible, really. You haven't seen it all until you've seen a Japanese man drawing his hands raw while making a basketball manga.
so you're saying the viewer is remembering when they were kids? and how times were simpler and free of responsibility? that does not make it okay to sexualize a drawn 14 year old. cringe
@Beast v2🔥 cringe
@UCiI3CGnkVZveyVYdGXbQwBw cause Japan work culture is just toxic no natter what you do. Working such long hours, even if you love something you still get tired. You just want to go home and enjoy some nice time.
The thing that bothers me most is the internal monolouge. Especially when they describe exactly what's going on in the scene.
Stop watching shonen
One likely reason why the characters are pre-pubescent/adolescent age is because most Shonen mangaka/editors believe that it will increase sales in their target demographic in Japan, being middle school/high school aged readers, with the self-insert aspect and all. That's just one reason, though. I'm sure there's a plethora of others and that we're just scratching the surface here.
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I hate that too, And tropes.
The ones with the money to buy the merchandise are late teens to young adults though, so it would make more sense to cater to that demographic.
This comment section is more fucked up than what Charlie is talking about 😔
I feel like the early 2000’s teenage romcoms had this issue as well. Most of the actors were in their 20’s, sometimes even 30’s. They’re all having sex and doing drugs and spending all this money and living like absolutely no high schooler does. Like, just put them in college. Why does it have to specifically be high school?
Euphoria in a nutshell
Or every slasher film
I heard it's because everyone has gone to high school, but not everyone goes to college. So they dont want to leave people out apparently.
@@axolotl_fan8732 That's bullshit, who cares about how they feel if they didn't go to college it doesn't matter lmao
Because it isn't real
There's no point in fiction it was realistic
I hate how normalised “Loli” characters are, considering that the main appeal is the fact they appear biologically very young and infantile, but they’re ‘enjoyed’ because they’re older than they appear. It’s completely fine for people irl to appear younger than they do of course (it’s quite common due to genetics) but it’s the hyperfixation on the fact that they appear childlike in film/anime that’s gross and fetishy.
I agree with you 💯👍. Its so WEIRD 😰
@Anonymous Panacea you know that in most areas in Japan the age of consent is 16-18 and the 13 is only valid on uninhabited islands
@Anonymous Panacea man out here calling lolis 'cultural'
Yet u have a shota pic lol
@Anonymous Panacea It can still be weird. Plus, loli is *heavily* frowned upon in Japan, so it's not like liking lolis is normal over there
The thing I hate about France 👌
As a weeb, i completely agree. Yeah I'm a teenager and I'm fine with most MC's being teens since it shows their growth throughout the show, but when it comes to explicit stuff and they show it on the screen, it's just creepy.
I agree with this 💯👍
Based. Not every weeb have that opinion. You gain my respect
i agree
I respect your opinion as an anime lover myself.
I hope u know a weeb is a non-Japanese person who is so obsessed with Japanese culture that they wish they were actually Japanese and wanting to be something u aren’t especially when it comes to a race is wrong….
I 100% agree with Charlie, this and the weirdly common incest tropes in anime. Like what’s the deal with “big brother wants to bang his little sister” or “little sister secretly has a crush on her big brother” subplots?
I watched a magical girl anime a while ago called “selector infected” about girls who have to have card battles to get their wishes granted (it’s like if you combined Yu-Gi-Oh and Madoka Magica) and it’s a completely normal show, except one girl let’s it slip that the wish she’s fighting for is for her twin brother to fall in love with her. Why? You could’ve just made it any random guy, but no it had to be her brother???
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How tf do you even fall in love with your _twin_ brother
@@comradekenobi6908 its literally you but male
Because anime caters to neckbeard virgins with incest fetishes. They're also possibly pedophiles.
Im not an expert in japanese culture, but i assume this is because there isnt really a stigma around sexual fantasies there. Anime is the only thing in media where i've consistently seen kinky characters/people portrayed as normal or common place.
You know it's dangerous when even Jesus is scared of it
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Tokyo Revengers, I want you to investigate "Japan motorcycle gangs"
Honestly, if they just wanted the school environment, they could have EASILY meet halfway and use COLLEGE STUDENTS instead.
I believe I read somewhere that middle/high school in Japan is the least stressful parts of Japanese life, and college is essentially just a job.
The Japanese, man
@@navi0760 nah that's just an excuse, Japan can be weird sometimes.
@@ayofrtho7014 well no duh, but keep in mind that other countries have different cultures, so western college life ≠ Japanese college life
that shits boring no college students are going to be able to do all that shit
"No no he's got a point"
pan from dragon ball gt
isn't she like 6-8 years old
@@matguimond92 yeah, Dragon Ball is a bit odd sometimes. Mainly surrounding kid Goku.
@@matguimond92 she's 13-14
@@normal-use7628 Yeah I remember dragon ball being on the weirder side of shounen manga/anime.
But to be fair, it was one of the first to deviate from the Fist of the north star or Jojo style back then when that was the norm
Love this reference.
I find it very cringy that people proudly call themselves “Weebs”. Just say you watch anime…Jesus Christ.
They’ve ascended beyond just watching anime
The word weeb lost its meaning. Otaku would be the word for someone who likes anime; weebs are people who are obsessed with Japanese culture so much that they wish they were Japanese.
@@zrell4990 Words change
@@81droid81 True, except weeb hasn't. A word can't change if it's thrown around mindlessly without anyone agreeing with a new definition. Different countries may see the word differently aswell
@@zrell4990 Clearly enough people have changed how they use it for it to bother you
Ajin: Demi Human is another example of characters being high schoolers for no reason. You have these two high school dudes going on stealth missions and knowing how to professionally use a gun. And one guy going to adult jail. It's shows like Promised Neverland where it's actually important for the characters to be kids
I think that society has a bit of an obsession with youth. It's been drilled in our heads that it is the most desirable time of our lives, and media is undeniably a factor to that kind of thinking. This trend where teen/child characters basically just do adult things can be observed not just anime, but in mainstream media in general. Hypersexualized, hyperaggressive youth. Think of the shows Skins, Euphoria, etc.It's just really weird. As a kid, it personally gave me a lot of misconceptions and false expectations of how it was to be a teen. What defined the experience and all. Now, as a young adult, I have realised the massive effect of media on the way we perceive how we should be. Teens are kids, and they should be treated as such. Our media, anime included, should try to do better by actually showing that teens ARE children and making it relevant to the narrative. And while we're at it, they should start writing morr ADULT characters that do these ADULT things.
Yes and then children start to relate to the anime characters and start becoming really werid quite often. It would still happen if the characters would be adults but definetley not that often and it would probably change the entire youth thb at least to some extend because of how popular anime is
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Well said!
Why not also have adult characters doing stuff that's considered youthful as well; not just "adult things"? Rethink the whole "act your age" trope while we're at it!
I did not expect to see someone spitting truth today. Literally hit the nail on the head
This is kind of a problem in JRPGs as well. It's really common to see protagonists and other party members who are under 18. Like, as much as I love something like Xenoblade Chronicles 2, I don't think there's a significant benefit to the main character being around 15 years old, especially when there's a romance angle with a character significantly older. It makes me appreciate a game like Yakuza: Like a Dragon where almost every party member is over 40. It's refreshing to see something with a generally older cast
Ong Yakuza is based
For real. Rex could have easily been 18 to drive the young and emotional side of him while still being of age.
Dragon quest does this well. It makes you young to fight for your family. And then once the (spoiler) happens and you go to the bastion its really bittersweet to see what happened in that time. Maybe that’s just how I played it though lol.
I read a CBR article ranking top 10 best confidants and they put the gun shop owner in last because he sells you guns (as if they're not fake) and put Kawaki in 1st or 2nd.
As if Kawaki isn't a pathetic loser who needs affirmation from a teenager and the gun shop owner isn't a Chad trying to raise his adoptive son properly
@@Sonny2299 which DQ is that I only played 15 and that was great
The reason is twofold actually. For one, shounen anime are usually the most profitable and those are aimed at teens (One Piece, Naruto, Bleach etc...) so it makes sense to have the main characters and cast be teenagers or young enough for the main audience to relate to them. But outside of shounen, even in anime aimed at adults, there is a phenomena among Japanese adults, especially men, where they over glorify their highschool / younger days. Like most Japanese men working in companies want to go back to a simpler time when they were in high school and essentially get a "do over" on their life, it's incredibly sad when you think about it. But for that reason even anime aimed at adults will usually have younger main characters, to give that sense of escapism.
yep exactly and yes it is sad but thats how life has been and i hope it gets better
And yet in One Piece most characters are adults or close to that.
Hey, man. Life was much simpler back then where I have the energy to mess around for the entire day just playing pokemon cards, but nowadays I'm just tired all the time for some reason, my back aches like a motherf- and running a small lap is like running a marathon. I hate it.
@@aidenp8661 I sort of understand it. When you get a job there isn't anything left to really look forward to. As much as people bash on America for not having much time off, Japan is worse. Even something as small as a few week break you don't have anymore. So the idea of an Isekai of getting to start over somewhere else where there isn't so much professional pressure going on sounds amazing to even me.
I really don't get the logic of 'we must make the characters in our story the same age as our target demographic', does that even work? I've never felt the need to seek out anime, movie, show or game based on if the characters are my age. I'm far more interested in following characters which are far different from me. And when there are characters my age, it almost never feels accurate and just makes my experience worse.
This is why Vinland saga, samurai champloo and Gurren lagann are the greatest anime ever created
I think it's just laziness/lack of creativity. School is an easy way to give a bunch of characters a reason to interact with each other in a common setting without having to worry about giving them motivations. I've also heard the argument that almost everyone's gone to middle & high school, so it's easier to get people to relate to the characters.
Honestly at this point: any anime with a serious tone taking place at a normal school sets off red flags for me. It's really hard for them to not come off as just being derivative, especially when it's obvious that it's only a plot device.
What it's shojo and shouen it literally made for teens it in the name lol
Ok but why did it need to be MIDDLE school? you can get the same outcome out of college, hell i'd even settle for high school. but just the fact that these middle schoolers are massive gang leaders, riding motorcycles around town, with no cops or parents in sight is just too immersion breaking for me. i don't think these authors have ever seen a 13-14 year old, they are small and usually dumb as fuck.
@@sineowl443 u talking about revenger dude the manga creator was a gang member in his youth u don't know most gang members start young ?
@@Saw62 yeah that why it's shouen that's people don't know their anime
This is why anime getting popular in the west is a horrible mistake and should have never happened. Japan should have never opened its market to western buyers.
Western cultures are too much different from East Asia, particularly Japan. My only wish is for westerners to stop importing animes and for the Japanese to stop exporting anime to the west and start looking at their fellow Asians as a potential market.
YOU WESTERNERS ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THE TARGET AUDIENCE FOR ANIME. Anime is a lot more suitable for people within East Asia and Southeast Asia (Asia-Pacific). Beyond that boundaries, there would be a massive cultural clash. Westerners' weeb culture is probably the worst thing to happen to the Southeast Asian anime community with their sometimes heavy (both left & right) political undercurrent and anglocentric viewpoint.
As a Southeast Asian who experienced first-hand the Japanese wave of the late 90s and early 2000s, our local community and fandom traditions and subcultures back then were much more linked authentically to Japan, it was so different from the current state where our local fan cultures now have to "westernize" ourselves to consume anime products just because English is the most globalized language in the world. We Southeast Asians otakus will have to be heavily influenced by meme/shitpost/regional cultures of westerner weebs to immerse ourselves in the fandom and get the latest information and news.
Doraemon and Crows are examples of popular manga in Japan that are also really popular in my country (Doraemon is extremely popular in Asia-Pacific while it's virtually unknown in the US). Do westerners care about Doraemon, or do you even know about Crows? I bet you don't.
PISS OFF WESTERNERS, MAKE YOUR OWN ANIMES FOR FUCK SAKE IF YOU FIND THEM PROBLEMATIC, YOU ARE NOT EVEN THE DEMOGRAPHIC TARGET IN THE FIRST PLACE
Tokyo Revengers is inspired by the real life gang era. As a kid, the author of the series used to be a gang member, kids as young as 12-13 were joining gangs and riding motorcycles. There is a good video on RUclips of the era, "Japan's most violent biker gang".
Exactly what I thought of when he mentioned it
Also the time travel aspect of the show needs to push the age lower so it kinda has some point imo
Yeah but like he was saying.. Them being kids is okay because it works in this setting like you just said; however, the show takes away the entire aspect of school and all of the things (parents) that would stop this from happening- like the kid fights a big "highschooler" (ligit a 20 year old man) and stuff like that which is fun to watch but hard to believe. I watched Tokyo Revengers and loved it but the plot could use some strengthening. Also as he said (while he was speaking facts), this is too controversial of a topic to have an opinion on so just don't verbally molest me or anything for this lol.
@@solarflames6490 Delinquency in Japan during 80-90s was real. Mid to high schoolers bike gang were rampant during that period. They stole, fought, destroyed public properties, and even had businesses with Yakuza.
Their parents either just didn't care about it or just too tired from overworking (overworking is still an issue now, but back then was even way more terrible).
Tokyo Revenger is pretty much based on that period of time.
Like Yankee-Biker Teen violence was a serious juvenile crime problem back in that decade in Japan. I guess Charlie just did not bother to do some research about the real-life history Tokyo Revengers is based on.
I think I understand how creating a character who isn’t fully an adult can really connect with a lot of people. Watching anime as a teen and seeing other teens save the world is great. And we’re still kids on the inside. But yeah if there’s no point to the story, its definitely just sexualizing kids. Japan has a thing for young teens :/
not even japan, just studios.
Definitely. I understand that they also do it to pander to the older audience that is watching it but it still is strange when the protagonist looks like an adult but is technically 15 and has harems, smokes, drinks, actively skips school, and does a lot of illegal stuff.
Yeah it’s a self insert fantasy which is fine, but when you do it all in the name of borderline pedophilia it’s just annoying
@@cherrybramble no it's really the stigma in Japan. 80% of the man rather want a young school girl over a full grown woman. There is even a whole bussines going on where they recruit underage girls to preform songs and dance for adult man
@@kc_h7h source? (For the statistic)
I love anime but the weirdos always sticks out
Since a lot of people bring this up: No, it is absolutely not legal for an adult to sleep with a teenager in Japan. Yes, the national age of consent in Japan is 13, BUT every prefecture raises that age to 16, 17, or 18. So on paper it might be legal nationally for an adult to sleep with a 13yo, in practice they would get arrested for breaking the local prefecture laws. It's also true that these prefecture laws are worded ambiguously and allow adults to sleep with a 13yo if it's "consensual", BUT that's just what it says on paper. In practice it's virtually impossible to prove that an adult is not taking advantage of a teenager's age when they sleep with them, and so it's still straight-up illegal. Unfortunately the wording of these laws cause a lot of misconceptions overseas, but they really aren't much different from American laws when you look at how they're actually enforced.
Granted, these laws do still cause issues, though it's very rare. A couple years ago a dad was initially ruled not guilty of raping his daughter because the court deemed the sex "consensual." The decision was thankfully overturned, but it sparked a LOT of outrage within Japan. Because of this case, a lot of Japanese citizens are now pressuring the government to raise the national age of consent to 18.
Which is all to say... no, the age of consent in Japan has nothing to do with why anime characters are so young. There's definitely a lot of cultural reasons for why anime is the way it is, but the age of consent is not one of them. It's also important to note that Japanese Otaku (anime fans) are just a subculture of Japan, and do not represent the country as a whole. There's a lot of different opinions on the subject in and outside of Japan.
edit: I originally said that the age of consent is 18 in all prefectures, but it actually ranges from 16-18. (Similar to the U.S., where the age of consent ranges from 16-18 depending on the state.)
According to Google: In Okinotori Islands and Marcus Islands, the local age of consent is 13 years. It is crazy that the national law would even allow 13, and it's even crazier that there are many places that allow adults to have sex with 13-year-olds.
If Arizona allowed murder because national law permitted murder, then it is within the right of everyone to say that the U.S. permits murder.
Same here with Japan, some territories, and islands, allow for sex with 13-year-olds, so it is fair to say that Japan does not prohibit pedophilia.
I had a feeling that argument was bullshit, there is no way a first world country like that is gonna have the age of consent be 13. No way in hell.
Fuck "consensual", the dad should be punished either way. It's his daughter!
That was nicely written, good job.
@@Purplespectrum98 I mean Japan may be a first world country, but they really just became open to everyone a few decades ago, they were pretty isolated for most of Japan's existence which is why the culture and values are still heavily respected. Now this isnt an excuse, but it is not like the US which has had relationships with other nations ever since its founding.
The great thing about Charlie is whether you agree or disagree with his points you can’t help but respect how calm and reasonable he is about it
you disagree with this???
@@hira2357 I’m not saying I disagree, I was just stating that regardless of your stance it’s hard to get angry at how Charlie expresses his opinion, my comment did make it sound like I disagreed so I totally get why you thought that
are you a calm and reasonable person
@@sklls6718 I’d like to think so lol
@@hira2357 where did you get that idea schizo
I feel like for the middle school and high school plotlines: Many of the authors and Japanese people in general idolize their experiences of primary school and things like that, mainly becaues adulthood sucks shit when you're working in Japan. So honestly, the main blame to me for the plot being so unrefined, is just the fact people want to go back to their times in highschool or middle school, where it is seen as the 'prime' time in your life. While in western societies, turning 18 is seen as the 'prime' time/the 20 year old ages.
Yeah it's 100% escapism like isekai is. Kinda sad how the work culture sucks the souls out of people in Japan.
But still...... It's weird to sexualize a 13 year old
And that's great
But if you're going to tackle adult ideas, especially uncomfortable sexual things, make them adults. Not that hard.
Yes, totally agree. But you forgot about sexual things that they put in kid-looking or actual kids character
Yeah I think that's exactly right.
Perhaps it's not just escapism, I think to show adults just messing about instead of being responsible boring work drones probably wouldn't appeal to the Japanese. And sure, perhaps when it's subbed or dubbed for the west they could change the ages, but then you'd have the wrecking crew of purists complaining it's not faithful to the original...
you made 2 excelent points in this video
1: lolis shouldn't exist
2: Jojo's part 5 slaps
While we are venting, here is the thing I hate most about anime:
The overabundance of clichee or trope characters. You got the silent, edgy-cool character like Sasuke, the loud, energetic and goodhearted dude like Naruto and so on. It has come to a point where most animes feel like copies with the same characters in different settings. What's even more infuriating to me is that we hardly ever see any REAL growth that transformes these characters. It's fine to start out as Naruto-Copy 2000 but by the end of the series I would like to see something that could be a real person and not this shallow thing with a personality the depth of a grocery-list!
u have to look at it in 2 ways the first is the people who publish the anime are telling them to make the people like a copy of naruto so it will sell second would be they make it like naruo so it would sell well because of how popular naruto was (u also have to look how the older genration have so much pull and at the end of the day its not really there fault i mean look at nintindo) one last thing for shonen to be shonen it has to have shonen things does it not !
those are shounen animes you're talking about man, all shounen have the same plot and zero development, try watching a silent voice (90 minute movie) and you'll see the huge difference between shounen and shoujo (i watch like 95% shoujo anime bc it's shorter and more realistic and stuff)
That’s just shonen anime though. If you see other anime, there’s many different interesting characters
I think i've read this somewhere but can't remember where but, one of the main reasons why there are so many cliched characters (especially the mc) is bcs japanese ppl in general don't like to stand out or be unique. They prefer to be "normal". That's why almost every shonen mc is a carbon copy of one another.
@@yashburman7640 Sounds lazy
“Erased” is the only anime that I’ve watched where them being kids was needed to have the story make sense, along with “Assassination classroom”
There's plenty of shows where it being in high school made sense. But then you get shows like Attack on Titan where the main characters are 15 for literally no reason. (I think they're older in part 4 but that's just the very end of the show).
My hero kinda counts tho right?
@@guywithduckforhand yeah but it shouldn’t be a school more of a military setting
@@DaddyDuckTown True but at least there isn't over sexualization lol
@@s.a.t.a.n6216 that would make since but would that be a military academy so still Ike a school and still with teenagers
One thing that really annoys me is small children in military settings. You’re telling me this 8 year old little girl is a commander of an air craft carrier?
I mean child soldiers are a thing but yeah sometimes its just straight up not believable.
Avatar could get away with it
It depends on how they handle child soldiers tbh, just brushing it under the rug sucks but actually analysing the mental effects it has on them and the ethics surrounding it can make a really good show (see stuff like 86 or Evangelion, I hear it's also a major theme in a lot of older Gundam)
@@nahuel3433 The whole child soldier thing in anime is so boring unless they actually acknowledge how fucked up it is.
What about moe lolis who happen to be Panzerkampfwagen?
If you have any doubts or are a little disgusted, find out the reasons and causes.
In the first place, Tokyo Revengers is not a work made for foreigners.
Anime/manga in Japan is very reluctant on showing actual 'realistic mature' adults, because the majority of their audience don't prefer adulthood over their young times.
When Mushoku tensei novel was running in the past, the part showing 'middle-aged MC in real life' caused an enormous backlash, and it wasn't just because of the questionable act MC did. The audience didn't like getting reminded what adulthood in real life can end up in.
The maximum I know was Genshiken showing a somewhat realistic college life, and even that was largely underrated despite being a great show because a large portion of audiences just didn't want mature realism shoved up their rest-time.
This is a very good point. We forget that no matter how dystopian life seems here in America, its worse in Japan. You can really see the need for escapism in the proliferation of the Isekai genre.
Its interesting, in Japan they seek anime as a way to escape ,not to be reminded of realistic kinds of settings. But outside of Japan you see alot of people really like the more realistic settings more, like SNAFU
@@caseyb1346 Yes, and Inuyashiki's first episode shows a aspect of this 'Real Japan' in a short but efficient way. The man can't even tell others about being diagnosed with cancer because he can't handle the possibility where everyone, including his family, just 'didn't care'.
AAAAND Inuyashiki massively undersold despite being praised by youtube critics and a lot of anime fans. Don't you see a pattern here? Realism doesn't sell in Japan.
@@theprocrastinator6813 That is true. casey b up there said it first, but the popular 'Isekai' genre literally shouts "My life here is fucked. The only way I turn up okay is if I get hit by a truck and get transferred to a fantasy world with special powers"
Cuz the Japanese are so deep into their shit ?
The thing I hate about anime is how everytime a female character gets into a fight, everyone in my house suddenly thinks im watching hentai
You're watching the wrong anime then.
there isn't a difference, degenerate
Yeah, it gets so uncomfortable when I’m watching one piece and it mega zooms in on Namis breasts
@@sbeve8975 lol you watch one piece
stop watching anime. its made by peddle files for pedle files. it must be banned. all anime watchers should be sent to camps fema and placed into ovens
Tokyo Revengers was a great example to bring up. I get the high school (or middle school) delinquent idea, and for takemichi and his friends being young, dorky and naive, but for the rest of the gang members they basically acted as complete adults despite being 1-2 years older. You can only suspend your disbelief so far, especially with the contrast between takemichi and everyone else right in your face the whole time.
Well it also made takemichi younger which made him weaker. Still, I get what you mean.
They also gang-raped someone's girlfriend (in front of them) being kids and I still think about how no one talks about it
@@ihee007 even worse when you realise he was the adult in a child's body but was way less mature/experienced than people 10 years mentally younger than him
Not to call you out, I don't mean any disrespect, but isn't funny how a show about a time traveling kid/young adult is able to go back and fix his past mistakes (I've never really watched it passed the trailer), and yet the thing that breaks it for you (and many others) is the fact that the kids don't act like kids lol.
Anime is so bizarre to me at times
I mean, most of it is cause they're vulnerable kids that had to learn street strength: they come from disfuncional families with tons of abuse (and becomes more evident in the manga. It doesn't make sense fore guys like takemtchy that seems to have a nice house and stuff, but making it about teenagers helps to the idea that they are still not mature enough to make good decisions and choose the non violent paths
Tokyo Revengers is a shounen anime. They're middle schoolers because the target demographic are 14-15 year olds
ive had a theory about this actually (edit for clarity: why action animes like tokyo revengers and jjks use students), and it may be because middle school (up to about 9th grade) is the last form of compulsory education in japan. high school is optional and college is even less so, most people go straight into companies and become salarymen which is a huge part of japanese society and have very little time to themselves other than to slave away at work. middle school-high school being one of their only points of carefreeness, it makes sense to see so many series focus in on that time of the characters lives. tho even then, the way they have exams for entering high school/college is so much harder than in america to the point where they have a whole thing about 4 hours of sleep, 20 hours of study. if you arent familiar with how japan works, seeing so many series based in high schools/middle schools may seem overly creepy, but it makes a bit more sense when you know the context behind it. when it comes to the oversexualization of these characters, though, thats a different story...japan has a serious pedo and cp problem
Kinda had me in the first half
CP wasn’t banned until 2000s in Japan,
@@saynomore8893 isn't the age of consent 13 in Japan or something?
@@trashbag1108 yeah, but you won't find any area that actually has it at 13, they raise it locally to around 16-18
@Trash Man this is a common misconception, federally yes, but all the prefectures have it higher. it ranges from 16 to 18 just like most parts of the developed world.
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Susan is useless.
I think Hunter x Hunter made a good example of having MC's being children. There are so many shitty and terrorizing stuff happening in that anime, but most of the time we watch it in the perspective of mentally juvenile children, thus strangely making the experience somehow lighthearted... I still remember the scene in hunter exam when some guy literally fell to his death in front of Gon but he didn't give a fuck because he was too exited to solve the puzzle there. Through the series it never changes, if you aren't one of Gons close friends, he would forget about you in 2 seconds even after your head explodes brutally. Which is quite child-like behaviour if you ask me. (Gon and Killua were the only guys having fun in that universe besides hisoka lol)
Edit: Yeah I know Gon is fucked up lol
It makes great use of children MCs because of Hisoka
I think the promised Neverland does a pretty good job of this as well
i love hunter hunter just kinda hate how hisoka is such an awesome villain but acts like a straight up pedo :(
and their character designs actually have them look their age!
Idk I think it makes sense we see he cares about general population as he says he can’t stand the troupe for killing people it’s simply that he accepts the deaths of those who are ready to die or those that made the active choice to do somthing that might kill them like taking the hunter exam jsut like how luffy helps people in one piece but we see him and his crew essentially kill people but they were all marines or other pirates people who made the choice to have there life at stake
I agree on the "why are they being sexualized" part, but them being kids helps teens relate to them, and the idea of "they're teens but they don't go to school or their parents aren't around that much so they could've worked as adults and it would be better" seems a bit much to me. When you're young, not only is your frontal lobe not fully developed, but also your hormones are basically on a riot. Because of that it's easier to manipulate you and it's easier for you to make stupid mistakes. That gives authors freedom when it comes to problems and villains: my sympathetic villain can totally be an adult, except, why would he be a villain? There are a lot of ideas sure, but making a character you can sympathize with children is easier. I'd love to see an anime that focuses on adults go super popular, but teens are just the best. They're not oblivious to the world's problems but they aren't mature either, which makes them more interesting. (Also wanting a goofball in your show and making them an adult always cringed me so much-)
I do miss 80’s & 90’s Anime where there was less high school characters and more varieties of genres in the medium. #BringBackOutlawStar
Intial-D ❤
Outlaw Star is literally 1/10. it's a really bad show, lol. Watch Basilisk.
@@nyaatim8482 Except that also got super weird super quick at the beginning of S2
Other than that, great anime
I like that it wasn't 6 year olds but the animation from back then was garbage
@@vocassen wait, what do you mean? I dont remember anything weird
Charlie’s absolutely right, it’s weird when they show 14-15 year middle schoolers doing the things that adults should be doing. Why can’t they show people in their 20s
because cartoons are for kids dude
Because what most people watch that are popular is shonen made for basically pre-teen to teenage ages you would have to read or watch the seinen Genre to find more mature stories where characters are 18 or higher
because old people are boring
It's not weird when you understand shounen genre. Just like its not weird when ghost are everywhere in horror genre.
Because Japanese are obsessed with being teenagers again, before they were stuck being slaves to shitty jobs that're driving them to kill themselves.
I love anime but I’ve thought about this for a while too. When I was 15, it didn’t cross my mind how weird it was because you think you’re mature by then. But now that I’m 25, it’s bizarre seeing kids in those situations constantly in these shows. It might be different if it was a one off but it really does seem to happen all the time. It seems rare when you have a protagonist in their 20s or 30s, let alone anything older than that.
i mean no disrespect by this, but how much do you weigh?
And if they are around that age they often get killed and reincarnated as a child :/
@@EnigmazGuide is that an excuse to sexualize kids too?
Same, never seemed odd to me when I was younger, but now I've been an adult for a while it does feel a bit weird sometimes
and i hate anime. the fact you love it offends me. you should hate anime too considering its made by peddle files
This entire point is why I can't stand most anime. ALL mainstream hot topic crap is like this. Everything good is not popular for whatever reason