MUCH IMPROVED Spitfire MkIX vs BF-109K-4: Dogfight | DCS WORLD
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- Опубликовано: 10 июл 2024
- We simulate dogfights between Britain's legendary Spitfire MkIX and Germany's late war BF-109K-4.
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23:10 That's how Erich Hartmann became the highest scoring ace of all time. He was a very patient pilot. He didn't really dogfight or deflection shoot at all if he could manage it. He would lurk around the edges of fights or in areas he hoped he would not be observed and then ambush enemy aircraft or go into a dogfight and hit a vulnerable fighter at just the right moment. He stalked his prey like a hunter and often snuck up on their tail and wouldn't open fire until he was extremely close in order to ensure the kill. He was wounded several times and his aircraft took a lot of damage mostly from the pieces of enemy aircraft striking his own when he opened up on them at extremely close range.
Ein schlauer Kerl :)
The fact that the duels last so long attests to how evenly matched these warbirds are.
It attests to how bad the shooting is
@@appa609 I dunno, their shooting has improved quite a bit over the years, or maybe I'm used to lower standards now. Half of the missing shots are probably not that bad, it's just DCS netcode acting up which makes things look funny. Instead of calling their shooting bad, I would rate it "overly optimistic" for the most part.
@@appa609 If evenly matched in the shooting department it might even things out again.
Thing is if the 109 just climbs after the merge he will win.
against the IX it can climb faster yes but if the spit follows then the bf 109 cannot get enough distance whilst retaining energy to make that climb worth its time
I've flown a Mk IX Spit. I can confirm it is rather a pleasing experience.
You are one of the few!
@@grimreapers 20 minutes of (very expensive) joy.
@@grimreapers Corrections : The spitfire has a max dive speed of 650 mph but not enough power to use it and if you climb open the radiator coolant slats with the switch to the left of seat low, it takes a full 20 seconds for them to open fully that's why she over heats on auto.
The spitfire perfers to fight in low altitudes so the spitfire should go to the deck as soon as possible and if the bf 109 wants to bnz it, it wont get a good shot because the ground is limiting the angle the bf 109 can dive at and the bf 109 needs to pull up before hitting the ground. If the bf 109 takes up the spitfire's six and goes turn fighting, the spitfire can do a series of reversals and use the bf 109's higher energy state to make it overshoot. If the bf 109 goes vertical, take a snapshot at him then return to the cover of the deck and repeat until the bf 109 pilot gets impatient and goes turn fighting
It's so weird how dcs players just don't know energy fighting. I think it's because people are used to 4th gen fighters where you just missile the guy if there's separation.
All DCS players you say? Where do you play? On Project Overlord server you will find 100s of proficient ww2 fighters 👌
Well most DCS pilots have no experience with real flying and most do go straight for the modern jets. Even if they flew the F86, F5 and early Migs learning energy fighting would be a thing, but i know there are some amazing DCS pilots out there that can really use thier energy properly and flying the Warbirds is the best way to learn it as you can take this skill forwards to the modern jets but it's very diffucult to learn and take backwards to the Warbirds.
I know the huge advantage you can have in any fighter plane no matter what era it's from if you learn this skill but still learning myself so certainly not going to say anything bad about the piloting shown here as still great fun to watch
I live in America cap. My best friend growing up, his dad was from Sheffield, UK. He introduced me to simulators as a kid, he drove grand prix car sims. He took my buddy and I to multiple airshows to see the Spitfire. You got me into DCS and remind me of my friends dad. Awesome stuff.
The BF109's endurance comes from the use of Molybdenum disulphide (MoS2) in their engine oil - essentially a black-ish powdered lubricant which is a friction modifier. It allowed them to run their engine for much longer without oil before they seized.
I'm actually pleasantly surprised they modeled this correctly in DCS!
i miss kortana destroying everyone in these kinds of dogfights
Ive played DCS since it was LOMAC and by far the Spitfire is the most challenging plane to fly of those i own. I learnt to land the harrier vertically in about 10 minutes, after hours i find the Spit almost impossible to land. No wonder i give up and go back to the F16 which is also crazy easy to land.
If you find the Spifire difficult to fly then you should try the BF 109...I couldn't even take off the first few times.Later I learned to handle it and now I really enjoy it.The FW 190 is more docile but the Dora is more challenging. In my opinion the easiest is the P 51 Mustang but the P 47 is a real beast haha
Such graceful aircraft dancing a deadly dance of death in the beautiful clear skies
DCS really needs to add in the Spitfire's later variants. I'd love to see the K-4 go up against a Mk.XIV with a Griffon 85 pushing out nearly 2400 horsepower through a five bladed propeller.
And then a Me262 from the Germans^^
@@patricktho6546 And, the Gloster Meteor for the British.
@@99IronDuke that's no longer WW2
@@patricktho6546 The brits started using meteors all the way back in 1944 in limited numbers and had deployed several hundred by the end of the war. They saw a reasonable amount of combat in the second world war, unlike their American counterpart the P-80 that were made but not fully deployed before the war's end.
@@BiscuitDelivery ah, thought that was later
Cap remember its not just MW50 a lot of aircraft used alcohol and water injection by the British & axis forces and particularly the US, the Germans depended on C3 fuel which wasn't largely available, another product was available that was GM1 (Nitrous Oxide)
thx
After all the encouragement I've finally opened a Rumble account and started following you lot there.
I referenced GR in the 'referred by' option. Not sure if that does anything to help GR but thought I'd fill that in all the same.
Thanks enormously for all the videos. Seriously great entertainment.
I also want to thank everyone who has lived experience and those who are knowledgeable and experienced if only through flight sims.
There's always something interesting being commented on or mentioned.
PS. Love there is a mix of male/female and while I've always loved the Spitfire I absolutely *loved* listening to Fly in a Messerschmitt shooting at Spitfires. Hilarious!
Spitfire tanking those 30mms like they're spitballs. Now that's a flight sim.
Important with the Spit to turn at the correct corner velocity 210 kts. Spit should win a turn fight every time.
"Dogfighting is a waste of time," Erik Hartmann, who realized early that the 109 is most effective in the "zoom and boom" technique
When I run this AI vs AI I always get the same outcome. The Spitfires go down in flames. I ran it 5 times all things equal. The Spitfire gets hits on the 109, but it doesn't do enough damage fast enough. That cannon on the 109 is a beast.
Roger, the AI actually run completely different flight models. They are very simple compared the the Human version.
Well done by Simba with the sponsoring. I loved it.
it was an attempt at a parity
@@simba1113 it was just that you did it as you got shot down. Too much fun.
Always love the Warbirds in action. Thanks for all you do Cap!
I have an idea that might be fun to watch and rather simple to put together to have some fun. It's an idea on Capture the Flag. The idea is you have a team with a designated area behind enemy lines, the goal is the first person to parachute into this zone wins the game. How do you go about it? Send all your forces plowing straight to the objective? Leave some defenders at home? You might even shoot the pilot (not that anyone has ever done that in real life) as the goal is to land in the designated area alive. You can do variants of this, for example; only one person from each team can be the jumper. How do you find him and prevent him from getting through?
I just think this would be a pretty easy one to set up and I think it would be fun to both play and watch.
Cap - great video. Enjoyed this and the other recent updated video with the P-51D vs Fw 190D-9. A suggestion: Some viewers might not know much about the history of these two variants. You do a good job going through the side-by-side comparison of specs, but it's important to mention that the Spit IX modeled in DCS is early-mid 1943. The Bf 109 K-4 is late 1944. Given the short lives of WWII airplanes at the front (combat, mechanical, environmental), it's very unlikely these two specific models ever met. Any front-line Spitfire IXs in late 1944 would likely be like the ones in IL-2 with an E wing (0.50cal), K-14 gyro gunsight, 150 octane, which would have been tipped the balance more towards the Spitfire.
Exactly this - Contemporaries of the Mk IX were the F and G4/5/6 (and early 1944 the 10) . The G-6 had a maximum speed of 365mph at 13,000 ft, rising to 399 at 20,000 and then tailing off above that - so the Spitfire was comparable or superior throughout its flight profile, Later variants at least kept pace, but numbers and superior pilot training and experience became dominant factors - the reverse situation during the Battle of Britain. As we have seen many times, when you put an experienced pilot and an inexperienced pilot in similar aircraft, the pilot is usually the deciding factor
I never had find any refference on the 60s series Merlin blowin on long climbs. I have a some books about WW2 figthers. Also, Spítfires has a two steps ruder pedals, the pilot just lift his feet to hold on more G forces. Great and fun vídeo.
Loved it. Great job guys.
Shouldn't you have Cortana in this video? I miss her so much!
And Fly is a German? Echt geil. Lovely how international your team is. Me, being a russkie (sorry to say), I always love it when the Grumpnik makes an appearance, too.
Thank you guys for letting me take my mind off the horrible reality for a while.
God Bless you, brother Orthodox Christian!
Only just discovered your channel and it’s inspired me to go and build myself a gaming rig. Can’t wait to climb into my spitfire
Mk9 was the best of all Spitfires as noted by raf ww2 pilots. It had enough power to take on other fighters but it still retained the handling from the mk1.
Yup 9 was best all round.
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The Mk8 was apparently the best of them all, but mainly saw service only in the far east and with the Americans in Italy and the Middle East. The Mk9 was almost as good, but from a manufacturing point of view it was easier to produce and in that sense it meant there was no need for the Mk8.
Yup Mk VIII was the best, many pilots have said@@greva2904
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This is important I think.
Seems a trifle, but it does warm my heart every time
@@grimreapers Indeed it is
Great video. Nice to see Hasina again. I used to fly with him. He's a great pilot. Keep it up GR.
Fun! thanks GR :)
20.00 ish Spooky Simba 🤣🇬🇧
And I also agree very much with many of the comments
You force a k4 in a turn fight but won’t force a spit into a b an z .. we as gaming pilots full get the difference
And ww2 had no gentlemen just winners and losers and a k4 in a turnfight against an average pilot loses
There was a classic battle in the ww2 Pacific theater. It was between the Blacksheep flying f-4 Corsair with Major Boyington and Japanese ace Kawato flying a Zero.
23:16 that is why you always have a wingman...
See I thought 'boom and zoom' was a bathroom thing.
Thanks for clearin' that up, guys 🙂
Bout time Capt!, thank you.
Please!🙏 F-80 Shooting Stars intercept WW2 German Bombers with BF-109's and FW-190's escorts!👍👍
Got something VERY similar on Sunday.
@@grimreapers cant wait to see you guys use The P-80! Looking forward to it😁👍
@@grimreapers 😅😅
From what I have read, I get the impression that the Bf-109K saw most of it's action vs fighters at medium altitudes. By early 1945 most bomber intercept missions were assigned to the Me-262.
I don't remember what Mark of Spitfire it was but the first one I ever got to see was one of the later bubble canopy models, at the Evergreen Aerospace Museum, the same place I got to see a BF-109 and an Me-262.
Got to have the winner of this video vs the winner of the last haha P51 vs K4 haha.
When it comes to big fur balls I never get “directly involved” I just perch myself over the ball of aircraft and drop down on people who are chasing friendlies. If they are distracted trying to shoot someone down and tunnel vision to much I will most likely either damage them enough to take them out of the fight, shoot them down or make them panic enough to let the friendly get away. Worked a lot for the red Barron haha
Spitfire IX was a 1942 cobbling of Mk VIII engine & cowling to a Mk V airframe to counter the new FW-190. The -109k was late 1944 attempt to standardize 109 production variants; it was very heavy on controls & pilots didn’t like it much.
What you might consider is a Spitfire IX vs a Me-109F as they were of same period, & Luftwaffe pilots considered the -109F the best flying of the aircraft.
Consider pairing one of the RR Griffon-powered Spitfires (Mk XI or XIV) against the 109k
I wasn’t sure if the flight model being PFM meant professional flight model or pure f*kkin magic but after seeing them fight it seems to be the latter
I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FOR SO LONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)
I watch all the vids I can on Rumble but most of them aren’t up yet by the time I’m ready to watch. If you upload there first I’ll watch them all there.
Would have been more evenly matched had it been a spitfire MkXIV with the griffon engine. That had a top speed of 446mph. It had a climb rate of 4,580 ft/min!
Some Stats of the Stats (K-4):
Engine
DB 605D 12 cylinder inverted V liquid cooled engine
H.P.
1,800 at take off
1,275 climb and combat at 0 feet
1,150 climb and combat at 25,247 feet
1,040 maximum continuous at 0 feet
1,030 maximum continuous at 25,263 feet
Speed
319 mph maximum combat speed at 0 feet
415 mph maximum combat speed at 27,700 feet
360 mph maximum emergency speed at 0 feet
440 mph maximum emergency speed at 24,750 feet
296 mph optimum cruise at 0 feet
400 mph optimum cruise at 27,559 ft
Range
350 milesMe109 K4:
Further info on the Me109 K4 can be found at
www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_bf_109K.html
i read somewhere long ago that the K had a top speed of 452mph and an initial climb rate of 4,800-5,000 fpm. Noted as being the fastest climbing prop fighter in WW2.
8:00 Fkn baddass doc
Matrix is an absolute menace behind the stick
I see Hasina and Fly justified the title. Poor RC, he was a good man.
Surely the key variable is whether you’re Douglas Bader or not !
Since the BF-109 and the P-51 are both high flyer's. Why not have a fly off between these two?
Wilco
just for info they optimized the super charger gear ratios for the Merlin low level and for high , this was also done with some of the P51 Parkhard Merlins , enjoy your films
thx
🤣🤣🤣 I love the Simba adds
I get lucky sometimes with the timing
Matrix is like the English Red Baron, when you see he's on your tail you start wondering if it's easier just to bail out
I've been flying a lot of Cliffs over dover blitz vr beta and the AI is soo good. In DCS the warbird AI is super bad. The German planes always go into a turn fight. Even in the Fw190D9(same in IL2). So in a spitfire you can just sit back and hall on to their as in the turn fight. In Clod vr. The 109E and F AI just refuse to get into the turn fight. Even after like 30 minutes in a 1 vs 1 fight with me in the spit vs AI 109. The 109 just boomed and zoomed. Refused to take my bait and get into a turn fight.
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10:48: Nope, if I were watching it on Rumble it'd be like 360p at best. :D
hahahah.
What's with the obsession with flat turning/sustained turn ability? If you find yourself in a WW2-era fight doing endless flat turns, you're doing something wrong. Plus, as the 109, you'll be fighting the Spit on its terms while ignoring your own strengths. The RAF in their evaluation of the 190 A-3 vs various Allied crates didn't make a huge deal out of the Spit 5's ability to out-turn the 190.
Thing is: If you're faster *and* can climb away from your opponent, you can dictate the terms of the engagement - or you can simply run away if things go badly. The way I see it, being able to turn tighter is a "nice to have" feature that enables you to evade your attacker. But if he plays it smart by always staying above you while you burn your E in tight flat turn after tight flat turn, eventually, he'll kill you.
I also would disagree WRT the K-4 having been optimized for anti-bomber work. The LW did use 109s vs heavy bombers, but more out of necessity. The preferred airframes to do this kind of work were 190-based (A-8 Sturmbock) with extremely heavy armament and reinforced cockpit- and engine-armor. While 109s would escort the bomber destroyers and engage the Allied escorts. The 109 with its liquid cooled V12 and light construction simply wasn't suited for getting close to a B-17 combat box - especially considering the fact that the MK 108 is a close-range weapon.
Good flying Simba
The BF109 used a different supercharger to the merlin, however to burn the engine out is to overrev the spit had a two stage super charger to maintain manifold pressure at high altitude mk9 spit could fly upto 30+ thousand ft and maintain. only single turbo charger and superchargers are no good above 15kft 1st generation Mustang used Alison 1710 v12 which was a good engine but not for high altitude that's why they used the the merlin to fly with B29s
That was a joy to watch. Were machineguns used at all?
Ok I have finally been able to get to all your pages and Follow You! Also grabbed a Membership on Odyssey! You guy's are great Pilot's and a lot of fun to watch.... Keep doing what your doing, but Simba may need a Raise! Just saying, listening to him almost every video and now a commercial basically, I finally said fine I will do all of them! Nah he is a good Supporter for sure. But all your guy's and girls are Great! Definitely Fun to watch, Funny, and make things Interesting to say the least.... Keep up the good work!
Snap rolls and aileron rolls are different things. A snap roll is not just a full-deflection aileron roll.
An aileron roll is produced by deflecting the ailerons, and coordinating with the rudder to counter adverse yaw.
A snap roll is actually a spin, executed horizontally instead of vertically. It's produced by inducing a cross-coordinated accelerated stall where one wing is stalled more deeply than the other, maintaining it until the desired number of rotations is completed, and then removing the control inputs that produced the stall so that the aircraft recovers and flies straight once more. It's much quicker and more violent than the quickest aileron roll (accelerated stalls can be quite savage) and is produced with the elevator and the rudder, not the ailerons. (The ailerons will be mostly stalled throughout the maneuver, and therefore useless.)
RPM on the Spit is controlled by engine oil. As you lose oil pressure you lose control of the propeller.
Thanks Dave
Have biplanes been fixed yet? I was thinking about the PO-2 again.
Wonder if the Po-2 is modeled in dcs? If it were, it would be cool to see a simulation of a night witches' bomb run. Guilty of watching Sabaton :)
10:03 USE YOUR RUDDER FFS. One tap of the pedal to yaw right just a bit here and you’d’ve sawed him in half. So frustrating to watch. 😭
How are the frame rates? Did that multi-threading update apply to WWII gameplay at all? Or has the WWII performance always been better than the modern combat aspect of DCS?
Yes, see Sunday's vid, first use of MT in a large WWII battle. Huge improvement.
Talking about "Boom & Zoom" fights, I was watching a Ytube video about the RAAF's defense of Port Moresby from the Japanese in early 1942. The Aussies we're lucky to get delivery of USA-built P-40 _Kittyhawks._ The commander of the newly formed No. 75 Squadron knew the P-40 couldn't dogfight a Zero. Therefore, the pilots trained on Boom-&-Zoom tactics. This was working until some higher ups in Australia ordered the squadron to fight the Japanese "like gentlemen." My knowing the successful P-40 tactics of the "Flying Tigers" in China before Pearl Harbour, and the complete destruction of the USAAF in the Philippines after Pearl Harbour, I just stopped watching the video. Lambs to the slaughter.
Total fing bullshit.
Obesely your referring early 1942 Most P-40 pilots of the RAAF 75 SQN were veterans of the European and North African campaign holding their own unlike the failed USAF P-39 in Papua New Guinea.
You go to all the trouble to model them correctly and then dump the canopy to get unrealistic viewing. 😂
My ex-wife’s uncle got barracked for not being in uniform. He couldn’t tell folks he worked at Supermarine on the Spitfire.
Loads of the lads from the Woolston works tried to volunteer but were told 'go back to work, we need you building Spitfires more than we need you as a squaddie or a sailor'
The ultimate brit and the ultimate german almost had the ultimate merge.
also wouldn't it been the ultimate plot twist if the T1000 was a Matrix Agent? But the Matrix 2 needed better twists, not Terminator 2.
Gud vid 😍
Can you do a simulation to see how effective the adm-141 is
The Spitfire has fuel issues with negative G's.
Only before 1941, at that point it was mostly sorted with the fitting of the 'Miss Shilling's orifice' or the R.A.E Restrictor, I prefer the former myself. It also occurred with any aircraft with a carburetor float chamber I believe, so Spitfire's, Hurricanes and Zero's I believe. I'm no expert though.
Was it a disadvantage, yes, but the fact both the Spitfire and Hurricane won the Battle of Britain in terms of fighting, I'm sure they did okay. (Yes, I understand it's not that simple and a lot comes from tactics and a lack of it.)
@@DaemonicPossession
He never said which year of Spitfire was being flown or I missed it.
Yes, I do know the story.
@@Istandby666a bit late to answer, but Mk.IX is from 1942 onward, and LF Mk.IX specifically had Merlin 66 with a new pressure carburettor instead of a float one, so basically it got fuel injection too
The BF-109 K was not all that common, the G model was much more common and the Spitfire Mk1x was far from the best Spitfire of the war, you need a Griffon engine model.
No merlin better
The Simba adverts are GOLD, nearly got the credit card out. Keep it up !!
Hoping for a full-on Ginsu-like commercial 😁
@@ecbst6 Ginsu you say. I like this idea, I was thinking of one of those infomercials where the guy was slapping water leaks with some kind of tape or maybe a sham wow parody
@@simba1113 In any event, it slices, it dices, it fixes leaks, and dodges missiles with the greatest of ease 🤣
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@@simba1113 Oh, also! Just thought of it! Throw in some Sledge-O-Matic, that should mesh with boom boom nicely ☺
Cap, can you do the BVR match between SU57 with new RCS VS 4/4.5 gen aircraft. Can you do it.
yup
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Thing is it'd be interesting if they developed the spitfire griffon in game. Which tbh is the real counterpart to the bf 109k4. (mk 14 spitfire of course) that had about 1.9k horsepower Depending on altitude with the supercharger had 2.1k horsepower.
i thought 109K4 had 2,000hp with water/methanol injection..or was it Nitrous?
The Mk14 Spit was impressive, but i think it got bigger and heavier?
The pilots almost laying down in the 109s should add G tolerance, as well as smaller targeting area from frontal/rear perspective.
@@Hypersonicmind Yeah definitely. But that's why I say it'd be more balanced than the current lineups. There's a lot that needs to be worked on in the game. the spitfire griffons turned less from turnfighters to more balanced. They *could* turnfight but not nearly as well. 109s would still be better energy fighters (because of drag) but it wouldn't be so onesided as a low altitude fighter versus a high altitude fighter. They can at least be balanced with each other
Love these Warbird fights but it always makes me laugh to hear in almost evey dogfight no matter what plane he is flying the "I Hate the blackout model of this" from Matrix. If evey plane he flies has a bad blackout model maybe just maybe it's not the blackout model but the way it's being flown??? Just saying lol
It's not realistic at all. G-induced Loss of Consciousness is dependent on many factors - fitness, age, adrenalin, seat angle, g-suit, fatigue, physiological anti-g measures (tensing leg muscles, straining etc.). The modelling in DCS is far too simplistic, the onset is too rapid and the recovery too slow if g is reduced on first symptoms. It's the same in all DCS aircraft.
@@grmatrix6358 I will accept all your points as truth, but shouldn't you be adapting to that fact that DCS effects are not real just like so many factors in DCS are not real but we adapt to them and work round it. I realise your a real life RAF Pilot, but I have heard you say this comment on so many GR videos I'm just saying I thought you'd have got used to it by now and compensate how you fly in DCS to accommodate this bad modelling. You are totally aware that this is the case and I never said this modelling is accurate only noting that you don't seem to adapt your flying in DCS to accommodate this and seem to always be victim to this issue
@@nemisis_wolf Personally I think it should be DCS trying to mimic real life as close as possible. That's not entirely possible, but it could be better than it is. My complaints are a reflection of my frustration that this aspect of DCS is not better modelled, when so much of it is excellent.
@@grmatrix6358 agreed and we can but hope that DCS continues to improve with time. It seems the sim is making great advances recently and maybe improved G force effect will hopefully be in there somewhere
You regularly do gun tests: is this because gun jamming is enabled in the model?
No, checking I haven't forgotten any switchology.
@@grimreapers fair enough! That would be a fairly important switch to remember haha
Love these series of sometimes blowing the dust from the WW2 warbirds. You notice you really have to work for the kills!
The 5 v5 was the best of your channel. I'm just saying.
It is Spitfire IX with C Wing
That German engine sounds glorious.
Dear the grimmest of reapers, could you do a video outlining how Iranian proxy sites launched missiles on US bases in Syria, killing an American, and how American F-15E/EX and other aircraft retaliated against those sites? This recently happened so I'd like to know your thoughts on how USA may have retaliated...
7:46... How was that allowed? I mean, his best chance of beating you is by making you loose visual, and you decide its fair to go 3rd person? I dont get how this would be allowed at all..
Target fixation is real.
109s would've won 1v1s if they used better boom n zoom tactics. You cant turn fight in a 109. Just make a pass, and disengage and climb if you miss.
Can we also note the clear, scientifically proven fact, that the Spitfire has the MUCH cooler name?!
Kurfürst is also quite awesome
Any legends want to tell me what the weird glass circle vent looking thing to the right of the sights on the 109 is?
In many servers 109 has MW50 disabled. What can it do then?
Aiming in the spit is the worst! I can fly the hell out of one but trying to get a good shot? Im not the guy lol
Sorry I’m to old for this lol dcs uses gear in the multi thousand dollar range?
Can’t afford it looks fun tho
Wasn't a fan of the 3rd person cheating, the BF pilot should have gained an advantage from you losing visual.
No version of the 109 could not get any where near 442mph. It was between 380-410mph depending on a lot of variables mostly altitude. Extremely unreliable plane too, literally 50% went down to mechanical failure of some kind, we didn't even have to shoot at half of them.
lol
"extremely unreliable" .. have you read any books by the aces with more than say, 50 kills? There's a bunch. Guess what the majority of top aces flew.
They have a different definition of "reliability".
To say the 109 will not go over 410..when it has 2,000 hp, smaller frontal area, similar drag coefficient and less weight than the P51 AND the 109 was fueled/supercharged for high altitude..is to be wrong.
i have read many examples of K pilots running down Mosquitos, Spits and Mustangs thinking full throttle saves the day. That turned out to be a mistake. The reason the 109 was underappreciated was because in especially late 44 pilot quality in the Luftwaffe was depleted. Going against 10 to 1 odds really erodes the number of even average pilots available. The good/great ones found a way.
Boom and zoom is easier to do for an inexperienced pilot. The 109 was good at that, esp at 30,000 feet.
@@Hypersonicmind The Vicious NAZIs counted bodies not airframes, a B17 was counted as 10 Kills. If you count all the kills calmed by the liars they would have shot dow the entire 8th AirForce 10 times over. The Mosquito was 100kts faster than a 109 and the 109 could not get to FL30 its wing was too touchy. It would be in coffin corner up there and tip stall would have them spin out at the slightest mistake so a 109 can not Boom and Zoom a Mosquito. In reality all the NAZI hardware was shit built by slave labor and sabotaged by the slaves none of it worked right. if you doubt my facts consider the NAZIs lost the war just 3 years after the US entered the war and developed all the hardware after the war started, it was all state of the art and the 109 was 1930s obsolete junk. Now Shut Up !
@@Hypersonicmind Oh and stop playing Engineer you are not one. The 109 had a CD of 0.034 the P51A had a CD of 0.001 the P51D was 0.0015 so not even in the same ball park. On top of all that the Brayton Cycle based radiator in the P-51 actually worked. The Germans never mastered Meredith Effect or more properly LaDuck Radiator because they never captured LaDuck. The Allies did get it right because Barns Walis, Mitchell and Meredith worked with LaDuck on racing planes before the war. NAZIs were after him so they could get there radiators right but they never got him.
@@anthonyb5279 You are correct. i retract my cd claim.
Thankyou for the correction.
i was going more visually, and yes i had read about the "thrusting effect" of P51 cooling system as well as laminar flow. i like both planes very much.
It's just that most ppl are so P51 minded that they dismiss everyone else
(btw, do you know the history of the designer?)
To say that the 109 was "unreliable" is really an error, and saying no 109 could do over 410 is also in error by pilot first hand knowledge alone (ask that British test pilot who flew all the German planes- he's all over you tube,
(name escapes me)
Many pilots, Axis and Allied) say otherwise- despite your "engineered" specs.
Again, respectfully, thankyou for the correction.
(and i should not have lol'd- but you insulted the 109 by calling it unreliable. It was not as overengineered as most German things got)
Used to fly aces high
Curious what this game system is please
I got it dcs ..
"Matrix the ultimate Brit in a British aircraft, and fly the ultimate German in a German aircraft" cap I thought you were the ultimate Brit?
Have you seen ltt channel hack just asking you to check your security
109 fight wrong. He is much faster with MW50, he should run away, turm and go back on head on. Not turn with Spitfire... Some of the 109 jockey's would give you a lesson.
It was NOT a low altitude fighter .........this Spitfire had the duel supercharger for high altitude. FFS read wiki
Lf IX the lf means low altitude fighter you can find it in wikipedia
I still stand by what I said in wiki read it! the LF performed better at altitude than previous Spitfires it states "The performance of the Spitfire IX is outstandingly better than the Spitfire V especially at heights above 20,000 feet. On the level the Spitfire is considerably faster and climb is exceptionally good vast improvement due to two superchargers" just because they removed wing tips does not make them bad at high altitude it just made them better at low altitude, the HF was a specialized high altitude fighter.
Spent many years of my apprenticeship in the early 1980s working on Spitfire Mk VIII ex Col Pays and another Spitfire Mk 14 RM747 we got from a Thailand public school play ground of which is now RR232 City of Exeter Spitfire.@@sule.A
@@LeonAust the spitfire ix and lf ix are two different planes one built for low altitude the other built for medium altitude the k4 was built for medium altitudes do you understood now?
I know .... what you don't know was the LF was actually good at altitude compared to previous Spitfire V merlin's.
Diff between a LF and HF = wooden wingtips removed on LF that's all! and reduced amour
My original comment was the Mk IX was superior to previous aspirated merlin spits that did not have duel supercharger like the Mk V, the MK IX was superior in altitude performance to all previous spitfires. LF and HF were better at altitude performance
Wiki even states "The performance of the Spitfire IX is outstandingly better than the Spitfire V especially at heights above 20,000 feet. On the level the Spitfire is considerably faster and climb is exceptionally good. It will climb easily to 38,000 feet and when levelled off there can be made to climb in stages to above 40,000 feet by building up speed on the level and a slight zoo. Its maneuverability is as good as a Spitfire V up to 30,000 feet and above is very much better. At 38,000 feet it is capable of a true speed of 368mph and is still able to manoeuvre well for fighting".[29]@@sule.A
@@LeonAust .am pretty sure lf and hf have different engines
.the lf in this video as you can clearly see does not have a clipped wing
.your original comment is you saying the lfix is not a low altitude fighter which is what I was replying to, it having better altitude performance then its predecessor that got butchered by the fw190 is not relevant
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Aww, poor Simba Wimba. The Evil Meta Empire is disrupting GR's gameplay...of course they are. If Content Creators don't complete mandatory _DEI_ training, the SJW Mob will get you in the end.