Su-57 Felon vs F-15EX, FA-18 & F-16C: BVR Missile Fight | DCS
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- After receiving new information on the likely RCS and radar detectability of Russia's 5th gen fighter the Su-57 Felon, we run a BVR missile battle pitting it against US 4th gen fighters: F-15EX, FA-18 & F-16. Which will win?
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0:00 Changes To Su-57 RCS
2:13 How Detectable Is New RCS?
3:34 Scenario Details
6:24 Predictions
6:56 ROUND 1
19:59 ROUND 2
33:45 ROUND 3
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Doolittle's Raid when?
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@@grimreapers ❤️❤️❤️ awesome, thanks for the links!
Also, 10 years of RUclips and I finally got a pinned message 💘
@@grimreapers please do F-35 and J-20 next, you will find all their data on aircraft101 blog.
i've rarely seen a question like that without Cap being able to just post a link to a video.
Pleasure
At this point, the F-15EX is basically a squadron of missiles flying in close formation.
The F-15EX is more than just a missile truck! Has substantially more powerful mission computer, new cockpit displays, a digital backbone, and the Eagle Passive Active Warning Survivability System (EPAWSS)-- an electronic warfare and threat identification system! With it's two F110 engines its faster and more fuel efficient than The F-15C and E variants! Lol plus it's a missile truck😆 The F-15EX is a beast!
0:06 - You can almost pick up an F-16 and use it as a fly swatter!
Holy Moly, I never really realised how massive the amazing F-15 is compared to it's one-number-higher brother!
they are both great platforms. the f-15 was built to want the air war in its time and with the modernization upgrades it is still a very potent fighter
Have a look at how large a F-14 Tomcat was... they landed those things on floating postcards. It's nothing short of amazing.
Having AWACS support and AIM-260 really helped the 4th gens.
The EX is not the true replacement for the Raptor, the NGAD is. With only eighty EXs being built, it's nothing more than a placeholder until NGAD arrives.
If the B-21 comes with the ability to carry AIM-260s, the EX won't be needed in the missile truck role.
That is exactly what the F15EX is, a stand in for the lack of F22 until the NGAD comes online. It was never intended to replace the F22, simply supplement it. It's a purely financial decision. Restarting F22 production is just too cost ineffective, especially with the NGAD being so far along in design.
The F-15EX was _never_ marketed as a replacement for the F-22. It _is_ a replacement for the inventory of legacy F-15C/D and potentially the F-15E, all of which are approaching end of life. The F-15EX can also better perform the Missile Truck mission in combination with F-22 and F-35, while boasting datalinks with both. The F-15EX is an amazing Gen4.5+ aircraft which, at the very least, will provide superb protection of CONUS.
@@deadmeat8754 I think the datalink will be the most innovative part. F22s and F35s can stay clean, weapons bays shut, and just call out targets for the F15s to launch AIM 120s at. Not having the datalinks between the Raptors and Lightnings was a real disadvantage. Project Hydra is the game changer here.
Absolutely amazing match up, loved the dogfight at the end of round 2!!
Thanks for this one, it was very entertaining to watch! Some great flying by all involved.
Exciting stuff. Nice one Cap 👍
Quite honestly still believe the SU-57 is being over-modeled in game, as it's unlikely Russia is properly maintaining stealth coatings on the limited airframes they have available.
Yes. I doubt they actually do any gap filling. Plus the negative impact of partially exposed engine faces is likely much larger than modeled.
No one knows
I agree, all Russian equipment and troops over perform reality in DCS. My issue with GR videos are they are falling into this trap. I play DCS with the AH-64 and get shot down by T-90 tanks more than anything else which is highly unlikely to happen.
So let me try to understand your logic to here, because they don’t have many airframes it’s harder to maintain them. I would’ve thought the opposite would’ve been if you have a lot of air frames
@@timneaves519 I doubt they have a coating and the way Russians maintain the rest of their stuff why would this be different. Most of their people are drunks so they don’t have the capability people think. In a battle with NATO remove the nukes and they are toast in a month.
Hey guys. Found your channel recently. Love what you do. I was wondering if you’d re-do the Top Gun: Maverick scenario but with the jet the navy actually would use, the F-35C. Specifically, I’d love to see the dog fight between the f35 and the su57. Thanks! Keep it up!
That's a really good idea! Would love to see it GR
Yeah this a fun show. Love hearing the pilot talk and shit
Yeah, do that!
I really wanna take a look at that post to see the Su-57 secrets 😂😂😂
What a great fight Reapers! Loved it 🎉
Nice theme today guys, thanks
This was a really fun watch. 🙂
Man Simba was a beast today.
cap was my beauty. lol. thanks for the compliment and thanks for watching.
Simba out hurting feelings. lol
just trying to entertain the valued viewers.
I like how "the good lord" is the cap deciding ships and rations for everyone
if possible on the png of the missles could you add the prices of them just to have an idea the difference right there? love the videos much love from Tennessee
Well done guys!
38:51 Lmao! this is why I watch, once in a while you guy''s give me gold.
Imagine, 150 4th gens in a real dogfight? I think it really comes down to team communication, and good pilots..
The West has an incredible advantage in the coordination area. And it got even more ahead with the F35s abilities to pass targeting information to other fighters that are not stealthy and allow them to take out the Russian/Chinese planes beyond their ability to respond or detect them.
It breaks down pretty quickly and will turn into a slaughter fest of friendly fire.
The problem is, missile warnings becomes useless as that is just a constant alert, all the bearings on your EW, so you never know if it is for you, accidentally for you or one passing you.
GR has showcased this, and when it gets that hectic, keeping in touch and making Friend and Foe systems work, will not work reliably either.
@@CMDRSweeper if there is no friend in the area other than the F35 then there is no issue because they are all linked doing the targeting. No gen 4 aircraft from the US side would be near the zone they are firing into.
@@bear76009 You would think so, but once a massive blob tries to shoot and they get shot at back you will get to the merge.
And considered all the data that has to travel, it is an annoyance to make that work reliably in a good quiet electronic environment and targets that cooperate with you.
Now you start factoring in noise, jamming and the like, you will suddenly see a different story, laggy updates, fake contacts.
As fancy as such systems are, once you get a massive missile launching mess going and the returning fire, it becomes a furball / cluster, there is no way around that.
Marketing will have you believe otherwise though.
@@CMDRSweeper i used to do sigint in the marines we worked with units simulating what peer militaries can do to the us forces. This isnt DCS or War thunder the people who will do this for real have done massive coordination before and can do it even better now with our improved technologies. There will be no merge because they will be dead period.
8:28 hell yeah Cap! Lol you've heard me!😅👍👍
Cap, how do you have access to the Su57 Felon mod? I looked all over the internet and can't find it, also the DCS mod link no longer exists? Wondering if I can get the link?
thanks to heat blast. that's great stuff. we really need to know more about it
ruclips.net/video/8S9vcM6Oc6E/видео.html
would it be possible to do a dogfight with an swiss f18 (no AOA limiter) and a su 35?
Yeah. I really liked this video. Maybe have 3x su-57 and 2x su-35s or mig-31s? Felons doing the maneuvering and drawing attention while the 31s lob Saturn 5s (r-37ms) at the blue team.
I find the Mig-31 to be a fascinating jet. With the super long range missiles and its capability to fly so high and fast, it's extremely dangerous.
I don't know how many of the 37s it can carry.
stay tuned there may be a video in the near future that checks many of those boxes
Just to be clear on Su-57, it can fit up to 3 missiles of R-77M size in each of the bigger internal bays. So, up to 6 R-77M plus 2 R-74 carried internally
It was never tested in that way, but is a possibility.
@@gaiofattos2 actually we haven´t had a view on a loaded Felon internal bay. However, this data (about being able to fit up to 3 missiles in the main bays) can be corroborated from official statements on Su-75 internal bay, which is the same bay as the Felon (but only one).
@@alanch90 I know, I just think that SU-57 have to yet reach maturity in the project to use it's internal bays. That's why everytime we see them using SU-57 is with external payload.
I wish I could get that program that lets you keep track of the money spent for equipment, you all use in some of your missions. Because I would love to see how much money I waste just trying to land on a Carrier...lol
Great Content. Thanks
that's impossible because you would need to take into account maintenance, pilot training, infrastructure etc etc also comparing dollar to dollar doesn't mean anything. domestic production is always cheaper.
@@riskinhos It was a joke, no need to go there.
Fantastic.
24:50 Ok, who traded his flaps for vodka?
should GCI have stopped when both AWACs were lost?
Jeez Simba. Nice
right time right place thanks for watching,
I have decided that I _really_ enjoy this type of fight. It's human v human and jet v jet, with some degree of advantage to certain jets, but never enough to offset great tactics.
The one fight I'd love to see is the F-35A v the SU-57 Felon. That is, I'd like to see it if the F-35A could have the flight kinetics adjusted. The reason I say this is, the F-35 mod available in DCS was apparently modeled according to the early claims that it couldn't turn for shit, didn't have power for shit, etc. If GR could maybe adjust the F-35 flight model to be as close to the performance you see at airshows from 2019 thru the present, this would be a great fight. The F-35A is no slouch; it can pull quite a few of the same moves as the Raptor, and since it has the most powerful engine ever put into a single engine jet, the acceleration out of post-departure flight is crazy. I have seen one video, from 2020 I believe, where the then-flight-lead pilot, Dojo, performed a literal UFO move with an instantaneous direction reversal that is now named the Dojo Drift. The F-35 is also capable of the famous post-departure controlled flat spin, or 'helicopter' maneuver. Except Captain Kristen 'Beo' Wolfe, the second flight lead of the F-35 demo team, pulled the helicopter move, but exited it by putting the jet in 'knife edge' , after which she hit the burner and accelerated away as if shot from a slingshot, _in a climb!_
As far as I know there is no other jet that can do this.
The reason for my near-fanboy mode here is, just once I'd like to see someone do a peer to peer 5 gen fight with the Joint Strike Fighter where it performs like it can in real life, or at least close. Any model I've seen of the F-35 has it hideously underperforming. So if GR could adjust that F-35 to fly up to it's potential & have it fight the Felon, man that would definitely make my year as far as DCS goes. 🤟⚡💥
Did you guys setup the data link for the blufor? Not sure if the awacs track was a bug, but it would have helped a lot. Great content heard lots of emotion gaining and losing lock. Very fun!
Edit: good tactics to have the redfor waste their ammo in round 1.
Edit 2: without f10 map this would have been way different. But f10 makes it more exciting.
When are you going to do the F18C/D the APG-79 AESA radar like the US Marine F-18C/Ds are getting? Love that GR AESA radar in the games you do.
How observable is an Su-57 after it launches all missiles and returns to base? Would rearward RCS be so much greater to actually allow detection by remaining F-15s and their missile launches?
In real life YES but pretty sure that;s not modelled in game.
Phenomenal flying on both sides.
So the SU57 cross section is around 13x13x13 inches? Give or take 1/4 of an inch.
Look at you using proper units!
You should have had him stop the sim, grab an F-14, & finished the end of the round 2.
It’s a GREAT DAY!
Is there a "Latest Mod" of the Su-57? Everything I see on the DCS boards has empty links. Just want to make sure I have the latest. Loved the vid.
What GR is using is one they have specialized for themselves, but they are unable to share it with other people unfortunately.
Cuban Ace is still working on the su-57 but not at the pace he used to. He has had some positive life changes that require more of his personal time. It is still his passion project but he's not able to log the amount of hours he used to so its a slow development but last I spoke to him he was still doing his thing working to improve the experience.
@@simba1113 I think I understand, and I am very happy for him! I have a version that works. I'm good. Just wanted to make sure I had the latest. Thanks for replying.
We want the post!
You should have those SU-57's thrust vectoring modelled.
easier said than done
SuperCap, if the last remaining awacs get a missile on him, will he avoid the incoming and break lock of data to the missiles? It’s turning and diving.
Yes I believe when he dives, he will stop supporting the DL and any missiles will fail.
Simba being the man of the match again.
I just try to give you guys a good show. but watch out for drops and canonball and bird. they are making me work for it even time.
Try this again with F22’s vs F15EX please. The F22 is also limited in stealth config far as weapons and fuel capacity.
F-22 is too good, there would be no challenge. It's full stealth.
F-15EX is 4+/4.5 Gen just like Typhoon and Rafale ;)
😄 lol F-15EX VS SU-57 is essentially 4+ generation VS 4+ generation!
Guys i play dcs and watcing all your videos. I like to ask where to find and how to get aim 260 missles for f15 ex and i cant find su 35s mod. Please answer me. If i need to pay i will. I realy love playing dcs.
This is the best link I have: ruclips.net/p/PL3kOAM2N1YJcbzwU5FCo0DRmCdF3owO1o
When will be the AIM-260 mod be released?
I bet we'll start to see missiles that combine IR and Radar guidance.
How you guys just jump into different jets and know how to operate it?
well some things translate well between air frames and we try to have key binds that are the same so we can lighten the cross over work load.
quick qestion: why is the flag in the short range AAM file for the AIM-132 an EU flag? afaik its British only(development)
MBDA is a European conglomerate (Airbus, BAE and Leonardo) and Germany was initially involved in development, also what is today the UK division of MBDA was originally the Anglo-French firm Matra BAE Dynamics.... so its complicated.
@@watcherzero5256 yeah but it was developed by MBDA UK
@@zahnatom Yep which as I said was at the time 50% French after the merger with half of Matra missiles, then to complicate things even further there was the other Italo-German MBDA pre-cursor company Euromissile which the other half of the French Matra merged with inside EADS (later Airbus) which would then remerge with Matra BAE Dynamics to form MBDA with the letters taken from each company.
Super cap did the R37M can fit inside the su 57 like one of the su57 be an AWACS killer
In theory it can carry two R-37M internally. Not sure they've ever flown like this IRL.
what misile mod are you using?
its an in house mod that we have been developing and testing for quite some time now. making tweaks trying to get them to perform as best we can with in reason to the public data on these missile. we have gone through multiple versions of missiles and aircraft to the these to work.
This sim is amazing.
Fly is absolutely hilarious as AWACS
yeah I think if I understood German he could be able to make call outs a lot faster. He was helpful
My suspicion is that the PK of the R-77Ms at ~40 miles is too low to allow the Felon to take advantage of its stealth. If the missiles don't have enough energy to counter smart flying from the US 4th gens, the fight is almost guaranteed to end up within the range at which the US 4th gens can fire. And once that happens, the US 4th gens have a missile whose two-stage construction likely increases its PK and in much higher quantity.
If the Felons were using missiles with a good PK at 40+ miles (or had a RCS that kept them hidden until their R-77Ms had a good PK), they'd have cleaned up. But a low observable airframe doesn't seem to have much of an impact on the outcome of a fight if its missiles can't consistently splash its opponents outside its range of visibility.
Can't find Heat blast?
Would love to know if adding the Peregrine missile is in the works...
Yup def possible.
@@grimreapersI think it will be a game changer for F35. F15ex load out will be nuts... I'd guess it would trade 2 AIM-260 for 8 Peregrines on outer pylons. Or a 1for1 swap of Peregrines to 120Ds and fight at a lower weight....all sorts of possibilities.
Would love to see this with f22 and/or f-35 in place of the felons
Did u figure in the how many will crash due to no maintenance
Typhoon v felon?
Cool cockpit for Su-57.
Cuban Ace has spent a lot of time on that mod.
I find the RCS estimate reasonable and appreciate the effort you make to keep things current. I think your statement after round 2 says it all, on how you're happy about the balance of the fight. In other words, the best Russia can offer up is a solid matchup for US Gen-4 assets, meanwhile DCS doesn't model the superior US AWACs, electronic warefare, or pilot training. All that adds up to equal a US Gen-4 win if any of this remotely translates to the real world. ^_^
I wished I could write code, and I mean really good code. I would create an "AESA Quantum" radar. An AESA radar with a Quantum computers speed, and if lucky, an encrypted random frequency scan. That should negate any RWR system. In a weapon guidance mode the missile would need a matching encryption code. This would make an almost completely "stealth" weapons track, until the terminal phase. Hopefully, at the absolute last seconds. If I could built a fighter (dogfighter primarily, and BVR secondary) it would be a lifting body with a large wing area and LEXs, the same engines as the F-35 x2, engine spacing like an F-14, or Su-27, limited thrust vectoring (+/- 2° in three dimensions) canards with the option for matching or opposing directions from the elevons, a two place cockpit, and passive/active stealth capabilities. It might even be a jet biplane (two sets of equal span wings) along with the canards and tailplane.
Noice
Hmmmm Sunday Funday Stealth Scavenger Hunt?
How does one join your crew????
Join here: ruclips.net/video/Z_tR7H7hu5o/видео.html
@@grimreapers thanks Cap. Going to smash out some of the training.
So you don't think that any rcs reduction will have been made to the F-15EX. It would surprise me if they don't do some of the same tricks that they did with the Super Hornet.
It would require a major airframe modification. Also the fact that its so large already and is mostly intended to fly with a full loadout essentially negating any added stealth... its simply not worth investing into. The super hornet has a lower grade more robust stealth coating and the angular intakes. Its a decent reduction. Simply put, we have stealth assets designed to work with F15s for the air force. F35s aren't fully proliferated in the Navy yet and super hornets replaced everything for 20 years now. They definitely needed some sort of stealth as the do all for the Navy to fill that capability gap. Even a 20% reduction is 20% reduction in a weapon systems radar accuracy on you.
@@quickslashgib5800 Actually, if you look at the Silent Eagle program, you would realize that much of the work has already been done. I worked F-15 DT&E for many years (in a very distant past) and you would be surprised at what is truly possible with that platform and what has already be developed/tested. It's an amazing platform and whether integrating some stealth tech is worth it or not is a matter of opinion. I base my opinion on the work that I also did on the B-2 OT&E test team and as a person who supported chase aircraft for the ATF flyoffs back in the day. Some technology that eventually made it into the Raptor was tested on F-15's long before the ATF was ever in production. With regards to the Super Hornet, there is much more than simply the intakes or any coatings that help it with RCS reduction... I can't say anything more than that.
Researching publicly available information it has been suggest that the Eagle (at around $100 million when the F-35 was projected at $85 million per unit - total fantasy for the F-35) could have achieved a 0.1m2 cross-section from the front and a less advantageous 1.0m2 or higher from other angles.
If you look up the RUclips video "vJ3iuU4Y4Bs" you will see why even a 15 degree change in just the vertical stabs will change the radar cross section significantly. Alex Hollings covered this about a year ago in Jan 2022 regarding the F-15EX.
Isn’t the F-22 rapper a 4th generation fighter?
25:00 only the finest Russian engineering?
Simba is so good at dodging missiles in video after video. Does he have a mod advantage or is he just that good a DCS pilot?
He's the People's Champ!
He's just that good.
The Force runs strong in that one.
People's champ.
Cap over the years has sent me in to be a flying target for so many Sam site mods and naval war games that I have spent a lot of lot of time being chased by missiles. I think he just likes to see me squirm. But I am lucky the GR team has shared advice and things to practice over the years so that I can hopefully present you guys with some good and entertaining clips. Really hats of to the GR members behind the scenes they are a great group.
Cap calling this "fair" is a bit of a stretch. Having the F10 map is like being able to see your opponents hand while playing cards. F10 map is an insanely powerful tool that is available in game and not in real life. No air frame gives a pilot that kind of real time data, that would completely defeat the purpose of AWACS and Air Battle Managers. Also being able to jump to other people's planes and seeing when they physically launch while awacs cannot see that information defeats the purpose of the simulation.
Edit: I will say, Cap does a good job of being honest and tries not to give to much information to his teamates; however, there are instances were one side has more information than the would be allowed in real life and that is what makes the results of these sims invalid.
I don't see the problem with it. It's no different than having classified data links and the AEGIS and AWACS constantly feeding you info. I see the F10 map as a reasonable way to "game-ify" it. Pilots will more than likely have a map of the AO they will be operating in right there on their right knee, mixed with all the real world real-time info they get and share. Being able to hit F10 to see a map is a reasonable game element, especially when the map is useless unless they are already visible to someone's radar. It's not like you press F10 and the map just auto-populates every enemy on the map like some cheat code. It's still a fog-of-war, you only see what you detect.
They absolutely have super thorough sa screens and with datalink missile guiding they can likely see them. Also where do you think that data comes from lmao. The us has the most interlinked and networked military ever. All data is shared and useable. Doesn’t mean having a gci isn’t exceptionally useful
@@fubar5884 perfectly said
F-10 set to Fog Of War shows exactly what an aircraft datalink screen shows. Other than pilot name and maybe aircraft type if their radar was not emitting.
I did not know the Super Hornet had such a low RCS.
0.5 clean. Not bad.
@Grim Reapers Compared to today's aircraft that isn't that impressive, but considering when this fighter was designed it is very impressive. I had always thought it was more akin to the Viper or Eagle.
can you put the mod links?
Mods: ruclips.net/p/PL3kOAM2N1YJcbzwU5FCo0DRmCdF3owO1o
@@grimreapers i know but i ask for the misile mods
thanks for the reply
@@jd-todo2447 as they’ve said in a myriad of videos the aesa and missiles and their modified jets are internally made and not available
@@Utubesuperstar thanks
Comments for the bump
Maybe
Someone please teach fly some halfway decent comms standards
he's getting there. you have to remember he is German and trying to do real time call outs in English. the more he does it the better he will get.
How can you be flying the most manoeuvrable jet about today and not allow it to be as manoeuvrable as it is?
I agree, they should've went through the effort to put in the thrust vectoring, but it's still superior to the f18 in pretty much all aspects without it
We've used our own GR flight model for it, it's not very good but at least it goes the correct speeds etc.
Damn...I need a new computer...
What if the SU-57 starts out with an extra 2 wing mounted weapons that they fire at the beginning of the conflict. IF the SU-57 fires them off fast enough, they can go stealth and still have 4 weapons while their long range wing mounted weapons run the distance while they get into place. Could turn the battle completely on it's head.
The mounting equipment for the missiles on the wings would still be there and increase the RCS unfortunately.
I'd like to see his calculations on the B-21.
My source show the B-21 is as good or better than the F-22.
The F-22 today is our best RCS aircraft. With around 0.00001.
I'd like to see if his model can confirm this?
One or two zero too much
@@yujinhikita5611
Then obviously you don't know much.
My biological father worked on these aircraft. Do you have any information from someone who has actually worked on it? Sounds like you don't know anyone.
I'll stay with the actual figures I know, because my information comes from the people who worked on these kind of program's.
Did any of you grow up living in the U.S. government above top secret clearance program's? No? Well, I did.
My biological father has worked on the F-117, B-2, YF-118, YF-22, Ghostbuster (B-52), Grease Lightning (unknown hyper Sonic test vehicle), and other's.
You don't have to believe and I don't care. People like you have been in my life trying to put my down, because you can't believe or understand the life I've had and you don't understand the negative impact growing up in this kind of world has on people.
I'm not here to put anyone down. I'm stating you don't understand the life I had growing up in a dark shadow world. We grew up with the government listing in on our calls, our whole life. My biological father almost lost his job, because my older biological brother was talking to someone about Senior Trip. Senior Trip is another Above Top Secret black government project. When he was actually talking about his senior high school trip. He almost lost his job when my youngest brother made his name in the antelope valley newspaper in football. I almost caused him to lose his job, because I made the antelope valley newspaper for going to Southern California State Championship in long distance track.
I'm trying to be a source of information from someone who lived this life.
It's the same way with our personal airplane. If you Google N51305, this is a Grey Cessna 150. We started building this airplane around 1982. The grey paint was radar absorbent paint from a government auction when Rockwell went under. That lead to Dryden NASA from Edwards Air Force Base to work with our airplane. We still have VHS footage.
Our families airplane design was mixed up in some guys book Northrop black patches or something like that. ATOP (Advanced Technology Observation Platform) was a forward swept wing design to replace the O-10. We made a 1/3 rd scale model (8ft wingspan) which we attached to the left wing of our Cessna 150. The ATOP was attached to a bomb rack mechanism. Due to the added lift the atop model caused, we had to increase the wingspan of the Cessna 150 by 6ft and add winglets (which we called antlers). After these mods, our airplane could take off at 12 knots. And yes, I have taken off by flying backwards. But, no matter how many times I talk about my life, it's so unbelievable that that's what people do, they dismiss me.
So, no matter how much you don't want to believe in fact's. The fact is this was my life and you not believing isn't going to change the fact that I lived this life.
@@Istandby666 ok imma send this to the warthunder forums real quick I'm not here for grandads stories. just said publicly known info says 0.0001 or 0.0005 some even say 0.001. but if you want to go around and spew classified info on the internet or maybe its a copypasta (i didn't read it) then that's just fine. but you should learn to keep things short. also you literly start by calling me stupid. lol.
@@yujinhikita5611
You are obviously a troll.
At no time have I ever used the word stupid. BYE TROLL!!
@@Istandby666 i take, "dont know much" as stupid in this context as you go out of your way to then tell me your entire life story that no one cares about. while also spouting classified military secrets. while talking in this belittling tone. if you're new to the internet you should learn the difference between a troll and somebody who thinks what you are saying is bollocks.
2x mig 31s or su-35s with the Felons would be overload of beautiful jets for me.
Seriously, the Russians make the sexiest jets.
F-15EX should be configured with conformal weapons stations.
Fast decent missile trucks with decent radar FTW. F15EX is a beast! A couple of them hunting is a crap ton of missiles.
Got Violet!
Interesting. 4th gen not useless.
these are more like 4.5 gens. there is a lot of cross over technology shared between the newest f-15ex and the 5 gens
The people's champ!
thanks for the nice words and watching the video.
@@simba1113 no problem, love them (most of them, lol). I've flown with you guys before, Jimbo48 is my call sign. Maybe I'll see you in the air on one of these Sundays
do it again without awacs?
GR missiles don;t work with AWACS.
@@grimreapers Russia gets no AWACS, nato side gets an f35 or two to direct the missile trucks. Stealths out of missiles or only heaters so their goal is to direct teammates. Or better put "how good is the f35 at force multiplying"
So... How realistic is this if you can keep pressing a button to see exactly where they are? I mean, do pilots have this capability? Or do they need to rely on a Awax verbal communication only?
I'd be interested in seeing how effective u guys are if u can't look at a magic screen showing all their positions.
Yup all of these planes have S/A screens that would show this info.
@@grimreapers dang... Seriously? 😳😓😲😲😲😲 Frickin awesome!
You have to knockout the AWECS as soon as possible to cripple them.
Have you ever done "The Night Witch" bombing raids of Russia in WW2?
Given that the thing has exposed screws phillipshead screws everywhere, completly exposed engines,... I am not sure the damn thing even has an actual RAM coating. It maybe is stealth from the front, put as soon as it pulls any AoA or manuever, it's going to light up like a fucking christmas tree with those engines. But hey, I don't have access to (probably a million dollar) RCS Simulation software so I will happily defer judgement to the experts :D
You should do how many gen 1 jets It takes to beat a 5th gen
I know you covered why you guys don't make futuristic ships in the last video, but you guys should check out the NGAD and maybe do something with that
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a felon not being able to see a super hornet? it should be the other way around
Not always which gen aircraft. Pilot traing and Aviators (Navy). Duh.
max boom boomwins the day, apart from team work adanvced flying skills LOL
haha utter bS. the coatings are the hardest and most secret part
The F-22 rcs is still smaller 😂😂
no shit
@@Editzify what🤨
@@craigbringman7967 well obviously its smaller sorry
Would be cool without f10
Absolutley. Missile trucks and 5th gen