1911 Long Slide: Does Size Really Matter?
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- Опубликовано: 8 окт 2022
- Paul tests a 1911 long slide against the standard length 1911.
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Once again, you have NOT won a prize. It's a scam.
The main point to a long slide 1911 is a 10mm. That or a 45 super or .460 Rowland. I purchased my Dan Wesson Bruin 6.3” slide to do just that. The Springfield V-16 45 Super was designed to shoot 45 Super. Check out the ballistics of that, or better yet the .460 Rowland. The awesome thing about the long slide Kimber or Dan Wesson is .460 conversions can be done sans compensator with the extra slide weight.
Unfortunately, not winning a prize is a common pinned comment these days.🤦🏻
You've won my heart, so I'd say there was a prize and a winner
@@dustyrhodes2717 True but with the compensator that is necessary for the added weight to slow down the slide you also get the recoil and muzzle rise taming effects, you will lose a little velocity but with a .460 Rowland cartridge you will be left with plenty of velocity and energy even with the shorter 5" barrel which would actually be closer to 5-1/2" with the extended threaded barrel.
@@phillhuddleston9445 The main point of the long slide is to NOT have the compensator. it's very ugly and makes doing the conversion not worth it to me. Otherwise I agree with your points.
One of these days Paul is going to troll us with a 20 minute long review of Pop Tarts with at least 3 anecdotes about eating them in the field.
And a couple of caveats and yeah buts.🤣👍🥃
@@BillMcGirr Is the frosted Strawberry better than the unfrosted cherry? And how do both compare to brown sugar poptarts?
And we will all sit there & watch it happily
can someone explain the poptart thing
Troll?
Hey everyone, the slow readings on the chrono were a malfunction. If the velocity had really been that low you would have seen (and I would have felt) a significant difference in recoil. You would have also heard a difference in report.
Also, once again, you have not won a prize. Those messages are a scam.
And thanks to you and your team's high production values, we do hear the near perfect "as if you were there" sound quality of every shot you take. Some more amateurish channels, the sound quality really blows, like the shot sounds are muffled. Must be shot on old 3G cell phones or something
The serious part:
Chronos do get different readings by using that white sun-shade strip of plastic clipped to the rods.
As for having an extra inch, yes it does matter when comparing weiner results.
@Timothy Mckee go get a $20 kinetic bullet puller, and go for it
Hey Paul, I've been an off and on viewer for a while but I can't think of seeing a drop test from you, like you said would be featured in part two. If you haven't filmed it yet, a series of tissue paper targets every 20 yards or so would be nice to see the path it takes. I'm sure you already have a plan, but just in case, that would be pretty satisfying to measure the drop. Plus tissue paper (not Kleenex, but the gift kind) should have a minimal impact on velocity.
If those shots were really that slow, the slide might not have been able to recoil enough to chamber the next round.
At this point Paul deserves a proper Poptarts sponsorship/collaboration! I mean, who wouldn't want a beige Poptarts-branded hunting jacket?
What is the deal with that ? Is it all a parodying joke on his behalf because of all the Chad's that try to peddle off G-Fuel and other energy supplements on their channel ? I guess I haven't watched long enough to fully understand the Pop Tarts thing, although he does work hard on them because they are always different.
No leisure suit Larry tie ins?
@@doejon9424 You got it, it's a parody of the old Camel cigarette ads with the rough-hewn adventurer dude (usually wearing khaki too) and the slogan is a direct ripoff. Somewhere in an older video (about survival) Paul mentions packing Pop Tarts along as quick, ready-to-eat high energy food to keep you going. That's probably how it started
@@doejon9424 has to do with sponsors. Kind of how practically everyone has RAID SHADOW LEGENDS. Paul said he would only do a sponsorship if it was something he actually liked, found useful, and could recommend it. I believe he was offered some kind of energy drink sponsor but it tasted like 💩. So he start comedically got poptarts as his "sponsor". He has a video on it.
At least they could send him a whole case to review.
I always wanted a long slide, not because of any potential ballistic changes, but simply because I think it looks about 10% cooler.
Yup, wear a bike jacket, with sunglasses and you can be the T-800 from Terminator 1. 😎👍
@@ragingjaguarknight86 My man! Someone gets it!
with laser sighting.
@@flyingfowlfarm5636 PRAISE BE
And is 30% harder to carry.
I think I've finally realised why I like your videos so much. Sure, I like learning about guns (as someone who lives somewhere where they cannot be obtained by civilians), but regardless of that, there's a certain charm to your videos that reminds me of how RUclips used to be. An authenticity and honesty in a similar vein of back then. It's nostalgic!
I love Paul's videos because he's educational without being dry and entertaining without needing to blow shit up like Matt or Scott.
@@RowBearToe tell that to the melon from the intro 😂
@@RowBearToe He has the same trait of making dry subjects interesting like a professor I once saw covering geopolitics and militaries.
Basically he made the dry point and demonstration interesting like Paul here do with simple firearms due to the way he talked and the way demonstrations are injected and shown.
His rebuttal video a while ago with a box of medals was one such example from Paul.
".45 long slide with laser sighting."
Da oozie nein millameetah.
Phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range
"12 gauge auto loader"
@@raidwolf4088 😆
"These are brand new. We just got them in. That's a GOOD gun."
This is exactly why you test several different types and weights of rounds in your particular firearm, it does make a difference and in some cases the difference. Can’t wait for part two.
I'd like to see Remington's excuse for loading .4ACP ammunition with bullets that don't expand in the commonest platform they're likely to be used in.
@@GARDENER42 They probably expand perfectly fine - in gel. This is why you shouldn't solely count on the expansion of ammunition to do the work for you. Maybe if they were going faster they would've expanded in the meat target. But sometimes things get stuck inside the bullet's divot and make it fail to expand. Things like leather, denim, wood if shooting through a barrier. It's also why I tend to favor faster 185 grain projectiles when I can find them. I've also seriously considered Selier & Belot's 155 grain solid copper rounds that are advertised to move at 1,250 FPS. I think we're past the stage where a bullet traveling at 850 FPS is acceptable, particularly when looking at expanding ammo we should be looking at 1,100 FPS or higher to give it a better chance of expanding on hit. Heavier rounds might be better for deep penetration required to take down big game, but for 2 legged varmints I want ammo that's going to expand and that means pushing that lead pill a little bit faster.
@@cavalieroutdoors6036 I see what you're saying but there is a myriad of platforms shooting slower than .45acp with good results, for example some of the .50 cal air rifles are around the 500-600fps mark shooting ~500gr hollowpoints with reliable expansion. I'm not someone who personally cares about .45 or even defensive handguns really, but gotta say I'm definitely seeing Gardener42s point here.
@@GARDENER42 Ppl make things b/c they sell - if no customers bought it they wouldn't make it. Remington went bankrupt twice in the past 5 years - so they know about making things nobody wants.
Does remington even make their own ammo any more ? I think they sub it.
I'd MUCH rather see Federal or Winchester ammo tested.
Paul, you're just terrific. The way you head off pedantic sniping questions before they happen. It's just the best.
What-If Brigade Members: Angry Noises! :)
Great presentation, I feel like the velocity difference would be more pronounced between smaller, lighter ammo, but the difference in HP expansion was an awesome demonstration.
Only in Pauls comments will you see someone say great presentation instead of great video lmao
The box of 110 gr 357 Mag I bought " because they were there " may actually have some merit as higher velocity may equal expansion at greater range . I think the actual thinking behind the round is a more effective snubby round though my 357 is 6" .
I didn't think 25 ft/sec would make enough difference to notice but I'm glad Paul does demonstrations like these because it proves sometimes a little extra can make a difference.
My hypothesis from studying results like these is that a cartridge's sensitivity to barrel length is mostly dependent on ratio between the bore diameter and the case capacity. Something like .45 ACP with a large bore and a small case tends to attain maximum performance out of a relatively short barrel, since the surface area that the powder gases have to push on is very large, allowing it to impart more force onto it over a short distance. Additionally, as the bullet travels down the barrel, a larger bore diameter opens up more volume for the gas to expand, lowering the pressure significantly more over distance than a smaller bore would and imparting less force. This is also why most small-bore rifle cartridges with comparatively high case volumes like .223 benefit greatly from extra barrel length, and you could extend the length well beyond what would be practical on a firearm to continue gaining velocity. Lighter bullets loaded with a greater powder charge in the same case would also benefit slightly more from extra barrel length based on this observation, since the amount of gas generated would be greater and the pressure would be able to be sustained longer.
@@EdD-ym6le the 110 gr. Hp In a long barrel will have poor penetration, and often fragmentation. Im pretty sure I seen that in a paul harrell video. Hornady makes the best snubby ammo it seems with the polymer tip.
I'm a simple man.
I see Paul Harrel post a new video, I watch it.
Still love the pop tarts opening. It’s funny and the phrase “where a man belongs” gets me Everytime. It’s takes an already 10/10 Paul Harrel presentation up to an 11/10. I’d say keep them coming for atleast another year or 2.
Paul’s presentations are good important information and the pop tart intro adds some levity and fun 😊.
The Brown Sugar ones are the best.
That was very interesting. As a novice, I’m a bit surprised the 25fps (about 3.1% if my math is correct) improvement in velocity made such a noticeable difference in expansion. I guess that’s why it’s called a threshold.
Yes.
I would have liked to have seen the the Kymber shot from 25 yards to see if the bullets stayed above expansion threshold at range.
Might be the chronograph just wasn't giving accurate results in this case
I wouldn't be surprised if the extra 1" of rifling also played an equal part in the expansion 🤔 my guess would be that it's some of A, and some of B. Pretty awesome to see that it makes a difference though 🙂
That Winchester ammo is weak. .45 acp ammo should have a muzzle velocity of 850 ft/s and have about 380 ft/lbs of energy. Hell, that Colt Government was seeing 815 ft/s; that sucks. I like to use Underwood target ammo, which is the standard 230 grain ball, but the box says it is 900 ft/s, and yes, it is a bit spicier and it kicks a tinge more than the American Eagle target ammo in the same bullet weight (230 gr). Going off topic, I have a Kimber 1911 Stainless Target II, and like it very much; it is chambered in 10 mm though.
@@rw3915 815 is kinda trash.
Anyone ever wondered how well Paul is sighted? I couldn't read numbers that small unless someone shoved them right in front of my eyes, and yet he's reading them from many meters, that's amazing in its own right!
His jacket gives +2 to perception.
@@bombomos we need this mod for New Vegas.
I honestly have no idea how he can see that good
Thank you for leaving the footage of putting on your hearing protection. You are the leading teacher the masses have access to.
Hollywood’s portrayal of guns and how much sound they produce is greatly exaggerated on the low side. In the real world, being around multiple gunshots near your ears can leave you with hearing loss. Most people already know this but this post is for the few that don’t.
I mean, it's what the terminator asked for.
"A .45 Longslide with poptart sight!" 😆
Terminator saw Paul Harrell videos in the futur.
Couldn't help remembering the Bruce Willis Movie, "Last Man Standing " when
I saw Paul with a 1911 in each hand.
Doing Desert Storm / Scud - Shots, Every time; "Thats What She Said" fits in... Thanks Paul...
That's my second favorite BW movie! (First is Hudson Hawk, for sheer amusement factor of timing their actions to music)
Loved this one, you could tell how excited he was with the hollow point results from the Kimber. Entertaining and informative
That was pretty interesting. If you had asked me to guess if the 25 ft per second made much of an expansion difference before watching this I would have said likely not. Excellent example of why we test and find out. Good video.
I agree too because at the end its just a 3.06% diffrence in velocities of 800, but if i gained 3% of height that would make a quite diffrence
@@toyotacorollae1407 Would it? I'm 5'9" (Or 69 inches. Nice.), which is approximately average for an adult American man. Three percent more height would be about two more inches, or 5'11". I guess that could matter some in certain circumstances, but that really doesn't sound transformative to me. It's still below 6 feet tall and is just barely above average.
Which 25 fps matters. A .357 at 1425 v. 1450 probably doesn't matter.
@@ElGeecho Why do you gotta question everything? im 3/2022 5'9.5 (176.5cm) and if i gained 3% it would make me 181.8cm wich would be drastically diffrent and mean much to me, and it would put me in taller than average in finland wich is 180.4cm.
My point is 3% matters when you are talking about lower numbers, and 3% in 800fps gun dont matter, but maybe in bicep size? My biceps are 13.5in (34.3cm) + 3% = 35.3cm (13.9in) and the change would be visible and matter
Awesome of you to leave in the things that don't go as planned when they can still be valid learning opportunities.
Another thing to consider is the difference between different makes and models of ammo. A different brand/load of 230 gr JHP might expand just fine out of the 5" Colt even at 25 yards, while a third brand might not even expand coming out of the 6" Kimber at 5 yards. As Paul has said before you have to test YOUR ammo out of YOUR gun at the distances (and preferably conditions) you are likely to use it for.
Yep, I’ve got some 185 grain Hornady XTP’s that can’t handle the velocity of .45Super (1,400-1,500 FPS) and they simply shatter on impact. But slow those down to .45acp+p speeds (1050ish) and it expands wonderfully
I find that a slower burning powder was helpful in increasing velocity in longer barreled guns - Blue Dot was what I used 20+ years ago.
It has been difficult to get 230 grain standard pressure loads to achieve a velocity that will reach the bullet’s expansion threshold.
Glad you did the video.
Long shot is pretty good for high velocity. Can’t speak to accuracy
Interesting... Hornady 10th edition manual claims good accuracy with Unique, which can be loaded to max and 900 fps for 230 gr XTP.
The game was Bowling Pin shooting and we decided that a 200 Power Factor was a good performance parameter. One of the guns I made for the game was a 1911 design with a 13” barrel, and using Blue Dot and the H&G 68 hard cast 200 grain bullet, 1100 ft/sec was a good balance of power and controllability.
Ah, good old blue dot! That was some amazingly versatile stuff, and flowed *very* well in the powder measure. Hercules made good powders.
Paul, I like how you added the eye/ear-protection donning/doffing into your videos to avoid having to go over that for all the "new viewers" on each video. Seeing you walk back and forth between shots is also quite humorous, although I know that's not the point. God bless, sir.
As usual a no nonsense black coffe and eggs kind of awesome review. Content without fluff a rarity on the Tube nowadays👍
The lack of fluff is the fluff
@@josephahner3031 ...the Pop-Tarts are a bonus!
It's nice not to have to listen to three minutes of Paul telling us about his day, another minute of his plans for future videos, and two minutes about how he got the gun, and then four minutes of content, for sure.
He specifically stated that it wasn't a review of anything.
“Black Koffee w eggs sounds like an S-tier diarrhea recipe
They look cooler, and that's what matters
Lol especially in gold
We just stepped back into the 80’s as Paul now gives us cliff hangers. It’s Knight Rider all over again! Lol
The angle of the sun caveat killed me Paul! 😂
I could sense your feeling of victory in this one. Good job, dude.
When an inch is the difference maker, or not? 0~o God I love watching these no-nonsense demos. They make "My day"... ^~^
Watching Paul's videos made me give up on the exotic rounds like 357sig and flip back to 40 based on meat target target results. I like 45 but price per round is still up there
Enjoyed the presentation. Haven't seen 45 bullet testing in awhile. In the '70's, I bought a Gold Cup and tested a lot of bullets as I was looking for my best target shooting load. Just about none would expand. After lots of target shooting, I just left it as my home defense gun using Win 185 gr Silver Tips. After all these years, I think any bullet, 22-45 caliber that hits accurcally to the spot you need, will get the job done.
Placement is 95%
The only fancy 1911 I own is a Dan Wesson long slide 10mm. While the chrono does tell me that I see about 60fps more with my handloads, even if it were the same at the muzzle I'd still want the long slide. They just look so much better, to me.
Thanks for the video, Paul. Always enjoy the content.
I have the same pistol!
@@joshuawheeler5309 Beautiful piece of craftsmanship, isn't it? Noticed that since buying it, I don't feel tempted to buy more 1911s since the DW is so very, very good.
I've heard that certain bad guys will take someone with a small gun less seriously. The inverse is probably true. So, the sight of a 1911 long slide would likely have a desired effect on a bad guy's morale.
@@cgsimons1187 The only issue is long barrel is typically going to make your draw speed slower(takes longer to clear the holster) and if concealed carrying more difficulty concealing it.
As usual, excellent presentation. It re-enforces my faith in .357 Magnum.
Or 10mm
Great video as usual. This definitely underscores the importance of vetting one's personal firearm and ammo choice in real life if at all possible BEFORE you need it.
Which is difficult to do properly, you could make your own meat targets but with the cost of meat, fleece and everything else including ammo these days you would have to have a higher than normal income to do so.
@@phillhuddleston9445 true but watching real world tests on youtube is decent data too. Hunting is a good way to test rifle choices and is relatively cheap but for ccw handguns you might be best served to hit the butcher for spoiled meat and goodwill for clothes to make an approximate meat target lol
I am looking at buying the 6" long slide in 10mm for hunting and you just answered my questions Paul... Thanks again for your excellent videos and next on the list, shooting Poptarts at 50 and 75 yds... 😄
Hi Paul. I'd love to see a little segment that talks about interactions at the grocery store concerning your rather odd purchases. Like funny comments, weird looks or people who become fans after you explain.
I get the funniest comments when buying 20+ two liters of soda.
Someone asked me about my plans for the weekend. I said I was working.
@@PaulHarrell I like it leave a little mystery
Hey Paul, a small tip: when you're about to shoot, roll out a medium to large size tarp or painter's drop cloth, etc to catch all your spent brass. You may not reload everything you shoot, but that's once-fired brass and it has some small value to someone you know, or even monetary value.
I cut two wooden broom handles, tap a nail on the top of the post, and shaved the other end into a point. Stick them into the ground, hang a tarp on the nails (tarp is at a ~30deg angle), and it will catch, stop, and collect up all the brass. Doesn't work so well in wind though....
Are you one of those guys who steal/ask for peoples brass at the range?
@@lardomcfarty9866 Nope. I'm one of those guys that has a shooting range on my property, and instead of spending tens of minutes policing my brass, I found a faster way.
Prizes!
I'm not sure if size matters...but long-slide 11's give me the HEAT...
Excellent analysis and looking forward to part two, thank you
The intros will never get old!
Something tells me that Paul never has to worry about being big enough.
This comment is kinda sus, not gonna lie.
😉
:|
@@Isaac_5.56x45 "sus?" Haha okay, son.
...
@@johnqpublic2718 (sarcasm)
I carry with confidence, so much so that i resist the urge to pull it out, wave it around and brag about how big it is
Uhh....cods or colts?
A great presentation, Paul. Thanks !
Good demonstration. I have a 4" .45 ACP, bullet selection is pretty important when it comes to expansion. The Rem would not be on my list even though I run 185gr hp stuff. These days we find some great performance from lower velocity bullets. Far lower than I would have guessed. Finding those projectiles is easier because of content from guys like you, thanks for doing the work.
Federal makes a 9mm Luger HST for micro pistols that launch 150 grain bullets at about 900 fps. I laughed about them and made jokes. Then, I saw the test data from Lucky Gunner. They shot it from a Glock 43. They shot 5 rounds through 4 layers of fabric. Every round opened up to huge outside diameter. They also penetrated well due to the weight of the bullet.
@@Lexicologist1971 Paul also did a demonstration with the same 150 gr. load that performed really poorly in the Meat Target, so I’m a bit skeptical of the load now.
@@Lexicologist1971 Thanks, I have a Glock 43, but wasn’t aware of that test.
@@gameragodzilla thanks. I'll have to look for it.
Oooohh ! Paul I'm glad you hear you will deal with the 185 grain pills in a part 2. Definitely looking forward to watching that ! Just sorry I couldn't catch this one closer to posting !
Just the best presentations on the web can be found on this channel. Great info and clearly the extra 25fps can make a huge difference, "the difference". Enjoyed this as always.
that special addition of donning his eye + ear protection (this time on camera) is loud and clear. 🙃
I know you said this wasn't what the video is about, but I'd still be interested in a follow-up accuracy comparison, since to me that would be the main draw to getting a 6" pistol.
Aslong as bullet is stabilized, barrel length doesn't affect inherent accuracy but the longer sight radius may help one aiming.
@@CL-ty6wp There's also factors of recoil, target leading and ballistic drop. Small factors for sure, and generally only taking effect above self defense distances, but factors nonetheless.
Another issue, and this is where micro-seconds matter.
It takes more time to effectively clear a holster with a 6" longslide than a commander size handgun.
Yes, competition shooters do well with that...after thousands of reps and using competition holsters.
I would think it would be capable of greater mechanical accuracy, since the longer barrel is supported at 2 points farther apart, a given amount of slop in the lockup and barrel bushing will give the barrel a smaller angular range it can wander around in.
To me the main draw for getting a 6" over a 5" is purely extra barrel weight (to keep the gun on target better for faster follow up shots) Maybe tiny bit the extended sight radius maybe the 25fps is a tiny bit too, but not why I would ever buy a 6"
I don't own a gun in 45 ACP , but a neighbor does. I want to be neighborhood ammo central if times get tough so I'll be buying some ammo for it. Looking forward to part two!
Neighborhood ammo central. I like the sound of that. I focus on 9x19 as my own preference but getting a few token boxes of all the common calibers for a couple hundred bucks would be invaluable "if times get tough". Sounds like a plan to me.
Outstanding job Brother Paul! Thank you for being so thorough ❤️🖖🏼🇺🇸
Oh! Paul --- we already "won" a prize when you put a new video up! 👏👍
Got myself a SA Garrison couple months ago. I really like it. The only thing I changed was to put a set of Truglo TFO sights on. That's the only change I will make. I carry it in a shoulder holster, and it is my EDC.
My longslide hardballer just got imported, so what luck that you would post this now! Excited to watch, thanks Paul!
Wow, that's really impressive that the extra 25 FpS made the difference! I wonder how this would change with other hollow point rounds. When I saw that 25 FpS difference I had no hope for it, but as soon as I saw those expanded projectiles I was blown away. Great stuff as always! Excited for part 2!
The 45 longslide, with laser sighting? How much is that?
@@connor3288 enough to close early
@@connor3288 I paid top dollar for it since I was in a rush before the Canadian handgun ban sets in. After import fees and after conversion to Canadian pesos, a but over 3200 big ones. You can get them much cheaper if you're patient I just needed it before the sale and import of pistols were banned which is coming soon here.
@@connor3288 "These are brand-new. We just got them in. That's a good gun. Just touch the trigger, the beam comes on...and you put the red dot where you want the bullet to go."
Very good presentation. Can't wait to watch part 2!
Excellent presentation thank you thank you for your time posting this content.
Extra inch of barrel makes "the" difference, but it's also critical that your barrel has sufficient girth to get the job done properly
Barrel envy…. The struggle is real.
Who needs a 6 inch barrel anyway? This 3.1 inch barrel is enough and gets the job done. It’s a good 3.1 inch barrel and leaves em satisfied every time.
Where do you live where the womens are so kind?
And sensitive!
Thank you for a fun and informative video👍
As usual, you have delivered an excellent video with worthwhile information.
Another great presentation. Thank you. Looks like Paul is getting tired of assuring people that he does in fact wear eye and ear protection. Lol.
My guess is the longer barrel would matter when using a medium burn powder like Power Pistol. You can achieve velocities right at 900 fps in a five inch barrel with 230 grain bullets without exceeding standard pressure.
Great information. Thank you
Pop-Tarts will live forever because of Paul Harrell.
Have to say you are very informative and I love watching your channel. You really take pride in your craft sir.
I would really enjoy seeing this same test done, but with 10mm 1911s, and see the difference between standard and longslide. I would guess (but do not know) that the difference between the two would be bigger with ammunition that has more powder to burn. A lot of 10mm handguns will shoot a little fire out the end, leading me to believe there's powder not being fully utilized.
10mm is a much higher velocity round so you'll probably get reliable and very good expansion regardless of the difference between a 5 or 6 inch barrel.
@@josephahner3031 Dependency on the speed of which powder is used...Like the .357 (similar performance to 10mm) I have noticed that faster burning powders (like AA#2) don't gain as much from barrel length, as AA#9...in fact the 16" carbine barrel seems "too long" for very fast AA#2 - and perfect for AA#9 or #5744...
Great work as usual, it would have been nice to see the velocity out of a 4" barrel as well to seal the observations.
DG
Always outstanding content. Thank you.
LOVE THESE COMPARISON VIDEOS. KEEP THEM COMING.
Non-standard 45 in the range of 175gr definitely improves the hollow point threshold. However, I'm not sure about drop. Winchester super clean 160 grain would be interesting to see
I just like the long slide 1911 because it reminds me of terminator and it’d be fun to use for 10mm.
I'm still waiting on that phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range.
@@rogerwood5228 DA UUZZI 9MM?
@@eabdic1 Hey, just what you see pal!
@@eabdic1 you know your weapons buddy. Anyone of these would be ideal for home defense. So, uh, what shall it be?
@@rogerwood5228 All
Every time I go to the store and see pop tarts on the shelf I hear this opening tune
Thank you Paul, good info as always!
My takeaway: don't shoot Remington green and white box .45 ACP
The fmj isn't bad for range ammo but those hollowpoints definitely suck.
@@Full_Otto_Bismarck I was referring more to the inconsistent velocities however yeah, the expansion is obviously an issue as well
Some of those velocities were down in airsoft range, weird batch of ammo.
Tbh I've avoided Remingtons ammo my entire adult life. I'd occasionally find myself with a box of their .22 lr and would have so many failures to function (all types) I finally quit buying them. Doubly so when I learned about the "wax" on them.
I only lose about thirty fps between the four barrel lengths I have on hand for .45... and that's 3.3 to 5 inches. Seems like good old low pressure .45 isn't very barrel sensitive.
Yeah, I saw someone do a 16 inch barrel test with 45. It was... not impressive to say the least.
Thanks, that was really interesting. Looking forward to part 2.
I would not want ‘just a .45 hole’ in my chest. Excellent demonstration.
Paul dual-wielding 1911s must be one of the most awesome sights I've ever seen.
i want to see paul with 3 holsters like the punisher
Yes.
The Punisher wishes he was Paul Harrell 🤣
I find it fascinating that Pop Tarts are a favorite with Paul & Co.
Always a good snack when camping or hunting.👍
Great video! Thanks for sharing.
My wife always says “no.” Are you telling my she really wants the full size and not the compact?
Ladies love a Deagle.
That's what she tells me.
Sorry, just couldn't resist. Carry on.
@@jhutch1470
I also couldn’t resist 🤷♂️ FWIW, I can’t afford the Deagle.
@@ryanwilson5936 I don't think I'd want to see your Deagle anyway. LOL
@@jhutch1470
🤣 That feeling is mutual lol. Thanks for being a good sport man lol
Yes, I have to wonder if the longer barrel will help with higher velocity ammunition, lighter bullets or +P ammo.
There is no one elses Shatner-esque pauses I would prefer to listen to
Gotta love the good planning and scientific method. Great stuff!
At the five minute mark I wanted to swap the barrels from one pistol to the other, just to see if we are tracking barrel differences. It might be interesting to try that some day.
I can almost guarantee its barrel difference. Specifically, I believe the difference is 90% about barrel rifling
WHICH begs the question........which aftermarket barrels deliver the most velocity....hmmmmmmm
@@poptya rifling or chamber support
It might be interesting, but in many 1911s the slide is fit to the frame and slide.
@@poptya It's an interesting question but one that likely couldn't be answered. Simple fact of the matter is if you took 5 barrels from 5 manufacturers all of the same length, you'd probably get 25 different mean velocities with a lot of overlap. It's not like Rock Island's barrels are going to trend toward faster velocities than Colt's barrels, it's more like that particular barrel is allowing the round to be pushed faster. And swapping barrels on a 1911 isn't always a matter of pull 2 guns apart, put Colt barrel in RIA and vice versa. There are 3 different ramp styles for 1911 pistols, 5 different barrel link lengths, the upper lugs for the barrel have to be fit to the slide, and the feet of the barrel fit to the slide stop.
Honestly I thought the 6" barrel would be at least 100fps faster, thanks for the informative video as usual Mr Harrell. Guess i'll stick with my standard full size 1911's
Not from heavy 45acp. You'd have to go up to 10-11 inches to see a 100fps bump compared to a 5 inch.
Thank you for your insights into the test results.
awesome,! thanks for making this video
Hi Paul, those were some strange numbers on the chronograph. Since you didn't report feeling a reduced recoil with those shots, I have to assume that the chronograph malfunctioned. This leads to an interesting question: how do you know when a chronograph is going bad?
In my case it's usually right after I've shot it. 😁😁😁
@@nucleargrizzly1776 LOL
I would hate to hear of a failing chronograph that tragically seized a test firearm and ended it's misery.
Usually it has the word "Caldwell" on it.
Low battery? Or maybe low on pop tarts.
So sad that almost everybody forgot about the extra long slides, like the iconic (because the Terminator used it) AMT Hardballer Long Slide.
Quality may have been mediocre on many ones, but what a beauty!
Seven inch barrel and slide, matte stainless steel, but otherwise a classic & classy 1911 🥰
I almost had one of those recently and the auction price went a bit too high for me, but I do have an AMT Javelina, a 10mm with a 7” barrel and slide and like it a good bit. It would be nice if Kimber, Dan Wesson or someone would start making these long slide 1911s.
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The gun dealer where I bought my 6" .45 told me he had a Javelina in his inventory, but couldn't get it to run reliably.
He is a pretty famous German gun maker (STP / formerly STI Europe) specialized in 1911/2011 guns and S&W Club30 member, so it must have been a major issue with that one.
Another problem may have been the lack of high powered 10mm ammo in Germany, all factory loads are just as weak as long cased .40S&W 😕
how many coconuts were eventually required for its transferral?@@RobinP556
I love the straight forward no bullshit cold hard facts you present, well done Paul.
Grocery employee #1: “That guy sure likes his pork ribs and oranges”.
Grocery employee #2: “Hey, isn’t that the guy from the pop tart commercials”?
Just started watching and I was secretly hoping for an AMT Longslide with the 7” to be in the mix. 😂
Given the mixed expansion performance of the JHP from the Kimber, I wonder if the bullet to bullet velocity variation determined which expanded and which didn't. Would it be possible to shoot the bullets through the chronograph and then check expansion for each velocity? That might provide the specific expansion velocity for that type of ammo.
I always wondered why guntubers don't do two or three tests at once. Chrono, accuracy, and terminal ballistics tests all at once to save ammo and time
Regarding the lack of expansion, I do remember reading a study that determined you generally needed 850 to 900 FPS velocity to get reliable expansion, so the rounds here being at around 816 FPS from the 5” gun probably was below expansion threshold out of the muzzle. That’s probably why many hollow point rounds are loaded a little faster even for 230 gr., though I don’t remember what the velocity for the Winchester White Box you tested a few years ago which had impressive expansion even at 25 yards.
EDIT: Yup, watching further seems like your results matched what I read. The long slide propelling the projectiles to around 840 FPS made expansion a lot better. Still wasn’t 100%, but as it went closer to that 850 to 900 mark, it went better.
So they underload 45 often?
@@DasGoodSoup No, the 230 grain is too heavy. Look into the 185 grain and see the difference.
That's going to depend on the bullet design. Not all hollowpoints have the same velocity window for expansion.
@@DasGoodSoup Federal HST and Winchester Ranger T 230 grain perform just fine, thoroughly tested.
@@jhutch1470 Not so. They just don't often push it fast enough, or the bullet design isn't ideal. I've seen federal HST expand as low as 750 FPS
Thanks Paul!
I own 2 Rock Island 1911s. One government model and one officer model. Both shoot like a dream. The officer model I can shoot accurately on a man sized target out to 25 yards. And the triggers are fantastic. Rock Island makes really good 1911s for a lot cheaper then some of their competitors.
I have a Rock Island 1911 in .38 Super. I love it.
How well/fast can you draw from concealed and put 3 into a 6" target?
Paper punching is a different species.
Paul, I really enjoy your content! Question, what is the brand of range jacket you wear? It seems to have great pockets (something I'm always looking for, lol) thanks.
He has spoken about that before, can't remember where though.
If you go to his video section Paul has done an entire video on his different jackets. Definitely worth a watch
Thrift store shopping, sadly.
They don't really make shooting jackets like that anymore. And the places that do make shooting jackets like to charge an arm and a leg for them!
I'm still amazed by the fact that, as far as I can tell, you've never once hit the chronograph or the little sensor wires that stick up from it. Nice shooting as always.
He did in the shotgun presentations.
If you paid $160 or more for a chronograph, you probably wouldn't hit it or the little sensor wires either.
@@cavalieroutdoors6036 One of my co-workers borrowed my chronograph to try out his new 460 Rowland conversion. He put a bullet right through it! He then bought me a new one. 😂
@@itsjustme8135 let me guess, height overbore of optics/sights were a factor 🤔
@@warrenharrison9490 Sights weren’t the problem on that one. Once he felt the recoil from that 460 Rowland in his Glock 30, he developed a terrible flinch. 🤣
1 factor that can affect muzzle velocity from seemingly "identical" firearms is the rifling, and how much relief before the rifling fully engages the projectile.
Some barrels have different depths of rifling and/or completely different forms of rifling entirely.
Quite the rabbit hole to get lost in.
Once again Paul,, WELL DONE! Looking forward to part two! Oh by the way for anyone else, he DOES wear ear protection on every shot.
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