Whetstone Wars Battle 1K - Hyper King vs. Morihei
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- Опубликовано: 28 апр 2022
- Another battle in our Whetstone Wars series! Two great names go to war. Who will be the champion?
King Hyper Whetstone #1000 (Standard Hardness)
$59.99
The King Deluxe 1000 has always been the standard for users wanting a great quality, budget friendly 1000 grit whetstone. It has excellent feedback and offers what most consider a true 1000 grit finish. Knife owners with knives no higher than 61 Rockwell would be well-served by the Deluxe 1000. But what about those of us with knives higher than 61 Rockwell?
In comes the King Hyper 1000 - the new and improved version of the Deluxe 1000. The cutting speed has been increased, while retaining the feedback that the Deluxe 1000 has always been known for. The new compound is also harder, and slower wearing. The Hyper 1000 takes the all-around performance qualities of the Deluxe 1000, but can now tackle knives with Rockwell ratings well over 61 (tested up to 66).
Made in Japan
Spec:
Origin: Tokonama City, Japan
Grit No.: #1000 WA
Stone Type: Soaking
Dimension: 205 x 70 x 34mm (8.1 x 2.7 x 1.3")
Weight: 990g (34.92oz)
Material: Special Synthetic Material
Made by King Whetstone, distributed by Matsunaga Stone, Osaka.
Morihei Hi Whetstone #1000
$78.00
As a whole line and on their own they all perform exceptionally well with that natural stone feel Ogura San likes. They don’t require soaking and all have the right balance of being hard enough yet give nice feedback that some medium hard natural stones have made them easy to use and enjoy.
For polishing the 4000, 6000 and 12000 grit give very strong contrast of hard and soft steel, with the hard steel becoming bright with the soft steel looking thick and hazy.
- Written by Ivan Gomez Fonseca co-owner of Tosho Knife Arts also professional knife sharpener.
Brand: Morihei 森平
Product Type: Whetstone
Grit: #1000
Producing Area: Tokyo/ Japan
Soaking Requirement: Not required
Size: 210 x 75 x 25mm
Weight: 830g
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Good to see you back on the stones. 👍
Thank you. It's been a slow process. Glad to be back! I'm still in a brace. I'll start physical therapy in another week and a half.
Another great video 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
Another great battle
Thank you sir!
Hey bro it's good to see your ok after your wreck. great video.
Yes it was great to shoot some new stuff. We have some stuff getting ready come out that was shot before the accident but I'm glad that we were able to get it going. I'm still in a brace. I'll start physical therapy in another week and a half.
Great comparison…definitely get your wife mic’d up so we can quit straining to hear her. Y’all always do an outstanding job of educating us in both techniques and technologies!!! Thanks
I stopped yes we'll have to find a moment to spend the money and ship it. We're behind on the bills a little bit because of my big car accident
I spy a Kasfly😉
Still loving mine😁
Also, Michelle, you deserve a mic! And thank you for filming, you’re awesome!
She got a mic on Monday. We have some videos coming up where you'll hear her. She wasn't feeling well that day so it's not much. You'll get a lot more of her in the future. The mic sounds really good.
Glad to see you're okay! I'm curious about when you plan to thin the bevels on the Moritaka's? All this dulling and sharpening they must be getting thick, which although both stones will still be equal it will affect the edge you get.
You are correct. That was on my mind as well
@@nadm If you do plan on thinning by hand, I recommend that you get some wet dry ceramic sandpaper and attach it to a glass backing (I personally use rhynowet redline 180 grit). It works faster than you think, but also loads faster than you think. I'd recommend that you get a sandpaper eraser if you plan to go through that route.
Great work as always. Where did you get that apron?
thehidemaster.com/product-category/all-products/apron/ you can reach out to them and they will put your logo on there. They're also on Instagram
Aloha watching from work
Aloha!
Nice music. I'm on the lookout for a medium grit whetstone and the shortlist is Cerax 1000, King Hyper 1000 and Morihei 1000, so your video helps add on some information for me.
I'm not sure if this is your very first time with the King and Morihei, perhaps with additional sharpening sessions some things might be adjusted for a more balanced view on what the stone can or cannot do - as you know they are quite characteristic. E.g. soaking the Morihei for a couple of minutes before starting (despite being a splash and go), getting some mud with a nagura, etc.
I was particularly looking to see if either stone got a better kasumi finish, actually - would be nice if you have an addendum!
So, I would take the Morihei over the king only because it gives you a chance to ease up into your bevel. The king is a little bit more aggressive and has an aggressive sound. People swear by the king so you're never gonna go wrong. None of these are really breaking the bank I hope so you'll probably end up with both one day. Suehiro is just an amazing company and you really couldn't go wrong with that one right off the bat because I'm just the biggest fan of that company. Morihei gives you the natural stone feel as well as it's soft enough to not be super aggressive on your edge Super aggressive on your edge. Morihei would be the one to give you the better Kasumi finish you're looking for
@@nadm Thanks for the tips. I was going to bite the bullet, but decided to pay a new knife place I just found out about a visit before purchasing on Amazon. In the end, the sales guy talked me into buying their Tanaka 1000 - soft. It looks suspiciously like the Gesshin 2000 from JKI!
They also sold Morihei and King Hyper, and the guy basically said Morihei has a very glassy feel; it's like a splash and go part natural, part-synth stone. Apparently not too good for a kasumi finish. He showed me how much of the Tanaka he used up, it was perma-soaking. Pretty cool and I'm excited to see how it performs. It's also muddy, which will help the kasumi.
If and when I decide to move on from my current finishing stone, I'd probably get a Morihei 4k or 6k to "experience how a natural stone might feel like". Lol!
That Hyper is it standard or soft rated hardness? I believe I asked the same question for the 2k on another of your videos but I think the 2k doesn’t have a harness rating just the 1k.
So yeah I don't see it. If I know or if I find out I'll let you know
Lookin good my friend with your shave
I don't know if you remember I was in the bad car accident and so I had really bad skin from not being able to bathe in so I ended up just having to shave my beard for that but I appreciate the compliment.
@@nadm Good to see you back! Hope you'll recover completely. All the best for you and your family from Germany
Sorry I didn’t hear about your accident brother
@@dadadadave100 thank you 🙏
@@dadadadave100 If you go to my RUclips channel page and click on the tab called community then there is a post with pictures. It does it have the ability to make a link
A question, why do you use your natural stone for dulling the knives? Doesn't it spoil it?
I could use anything to doll it. That is a $35 stone that I’m using like a brick. It’s a rough stone. I have a much better version of that exact stone underneath. I would probably never use that stone again for sharpening a knife.
@@nadm Thanks. What's this stone called?
@@oldwolf6091 Amakusa. knifewear.com/products/imanishi-amakusa-natural-stone-red
Love your working apron, do you sell those also!
I’m sorry I just saw this. I’ll have to come back and get you a link. It’s by the Hidemaster. I think I have an unboxing on my channel. If I don’t get to you I apologize I’m about to go to work. thehidemaster.com/
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@@nadm Thank you much!
NEXT Morihei Hishiboshi 1000 vs Arashiyama 1000. I would like to see that one. Who is the winner at Never Dull Moment kitchen stadium.
I like it! We already have the next one filmed so you might have to wait till the next time but I'll try to make it happen.
King hyper is a great stone. I find it pretty similar to Bester 1200 but slightly slower. Great feedback. It has a kind of dragging velvety feel. It makes a good set for other similar feeling stones like Suehiro Ouka 3k and Rika 5k.
Morihei 1k could be nice to try out some day. I have mixed feeling for the other Moriheis I've tried. They perform well but I hate the somewhat glassy feeling (if I'm sharpening anything else than streight razors)
In these bottles, you have to remember that it's head to head. It might not be some other stones you like but it was the winner today.
@@nadm I actually got Morihei 1k now. It is so different and hard, but I'd not call it glassy, actually I find it a bit gritty feeling (not in a bad way). If it seems glassy the factory surface is probably not worn out yet. A few more sharpenings or flattening the surface a few times with eg. Atoma 140 really changes the feel when new.
I like this stone pretty nice, not as the grabby velvety feel that 1200 Bester has and King 1k hyper somewhat too. Feels it may be bit on the coarse side for a 1k stone too.
When I need a hard stone, I find this one quite plesent.
@@hoggif I think they're unique and because their goal was to try to make it like a natural stone and so that's what she ran into. It doesn't feel like the synthetic stuff because it's mixed material
Clean the slurry and swarf off the stone for the final edge leading passes, loose grit impacting the apex will hinder the final sharpness.
Thank you. I need to apologize for taking so long. I've had a surgery on my knee and some other things going on. We've had the court case for my car accident. We had to deal with that as well. We've also had some other major things happening personally. Deaths in the family and lots of arrangements to be made. Also, I'll let you know that I will be having another major surgery in June and will not be making it to the Blade show. I will be out of work for two weeks because I'm having all the extra skin cut off of my body. We do apologize for an interruption of videos if it were to happen. Will try to shoot some head for you guys so we can fill the space. That being said, thank you for checking out the show. Thank you for your support and your comment.
I purchase my first japanese stones last week. I choose Suehiro Cerax 1000 and Suehiro Rika 5000 :)
Great choice!
Absolutely great choice. I love that company
I like the Suehiro Debado MD stones a lot, both the 180 grit and the iK (hard stones). Haven't tried the other Suehiro, but I keep hearing "Rika 5000".
@@davesmith5656 I love those stones as well and I have the one K. Eventually I’ll invest in the other ones but again we’re taps for a little while but yes that is an incredible choice and that is a great company.
Been using the Cerax/Rika setup for a few years now. Works great! That said, I may be replacing the Rika. It’s not *bad* but it loads up super heavy for a 5k and it wants to grab the edge more than any of my other stones.
Is the Morihei 9000 worth it’s $$?
In my opinion…… Absolutely! It’s amazing.
Morihei again!
It be no they didn't win one of the Whetstone wars and I thought they would have. So it's gonna be interesting to see how they do it get some of the bigger dogs. We have another 18 or so what StoneWars lined up and then we will take all of the winners and start having them battle against each other. We try to do one Whetstone war per month and we try to have a sharpening video with some type of advice once a month which this one that we just shot is gonna be amazing I really am excited about it. And then we do some unboxings. I know your collection is growing out of control
the mouth thing bothers me
I'm sorry that it bothers you. I don't do it on purpose. I was tested for Tourette's and I don't have it. They did an MRI on my brain. It's just a facial tech that happens when I'm focusing very hard. It's gotten better since I got off of a certain medicine. I still do it but a lot less. The medicine has been prescribed for more than 20 years but it's actually said on the side of the box now. They finally made them put it on the box. Singulair is the medicine and it says that it can cause those types of facial tics so it definitely made mine worse.