Details like The explanation to why you’re retaining the stock in addition to the external are the small little things that set this channel aside and make the sub so worth it
Videos like this are why yours is the best Subaru mod channel around. I would like to add on that I think the only scenario where completely deleting the stock oil heat exchanger makes any sense is for a dedicated track-only vehicle. The benefits that it offers, as you covered, are just too great to lose in a machine that spends any amount of time on the street. I actually wish I could find one that was bigger than the stock part, because if there were such a thing, you'd probably never need add a secondary oil cooler *except* on a track machine.
Alqays appreciate the support! And totally agree. The stock cooler has so many benefits to just delete from a street car. Having both in there has been awesome for daily driving the car!
Awesome video, & great info + insight dude. This is the 1st time I've heard anyone else thoroughly explain why its a benefit to keep the OEM oil cooler when adding the external oil cooler. I put together my DIY oil cooler kit on my 2011 STI a couple years ago, same routing & placed it literally the same way you did. Keep it up man, love your videos!
Works great with the OEM cooler, alot of people delete them but in the winter time definitely can over cool the oil. Glad to hear your set ups been working for ya too!
I attempted to delete the oem or stock oil cooler and went with the mishimoto expansion plate against the frame. With my tomei headers I didn’t have the clearance to do so. I put the oem one back on and ran it just as you did with your setup. You might have run into a similar issue with your setup back then since it was tight to begin with your killer 🐝 headers
Can be bad for airflow when you have a FMIC; you want air in the nose and out the hood. Injecting air into the hood scoop with a fmic creates turbulence and high pressure pockets not allowing fresh air in through the nose. Not an expert but take that for what it's worth. If your daily driving and don't do track use (Tracks w/ turns), i wouldn't worry about it too much.
@@Black16STI I've heard that theory before but I don't think it's true. If it was the radiator would be negatively impacted in stock form as it sits in the same opening. Edit: my biggest issue with it is the oil "cooler" sitting on top of the engine getting heat soaked like the TMIC is prone to doing and becoming an oil "warmer". 😄
@@chandlerbraaten847 Yea i feel it and what you're saying. I think it has 'just' thinking behind the concept of the airflow and it's draw backs are mainly seen on track and not daily driving. While it may 'work' being setup that way, it's likely very far from 'optimal' I've also heard that it's not very good to have the oil cooler core at the highest point in the oiling system. But then again, def not an expect at this.
Great content as usual. I went with the CSF Radiator with built in oil cooler and it works in conjunction with the OEM oil cooler. Made me have a better piece of mind when run the car harder from time to time.
Good info and entertaining video as usual. Love the detail you go into with the how and why. I believe they make a blanket that attaches to oil filter. Heat shield products is the company. Looks like a blanket for turbo. Definitely worth considering to keep oil filter from heat soaking next to header.
Hey man, I would highly suggest wrapping your headers, especially with how close your filter, and oil cooler lines are to it. You can get an oil filter blanket too, just to help keep the filter from getting extremely hot.
I have never thought about adding the OEM cooler on top of having an external cooler. My STI has problems getting up to temp in the winter so this would be a great solution.
Sweet, loving your vids and the list w/links of items you used. I’m pretty bad with mechanical better with medical so I appreciate how you simplify everything
@smeedia What are you thoughs on Mishimoto, there name gets thrown around alot as being lower quality parts! especially radiators! i want to build an oil cooler hence why i am asking
How many quarts disappear between oil changes haha. After a sand dune trip in my rx it definately burns oil in the bumps and thrashing on the dunes. This oil cooler is a must for that kind of driving.
If you are serious about tracking it, I cannot stress enough. Proper brake pads and tires. Those all seasons will die on track. Also I was talking with a guy who has a dedicated track wrx and the amount of crap coming out of his aos is crazy. He has a comp series routed to a catch can and has to drain it after every session. Just food for thought.
Those all seasons would not go on the track, I've got a set of Bridgestone potenza Re760s for the track, the pads are easy to swap out so not too worried there.
Also thank you for this I've been thinking about doing it on my 650hp sti for a few months now... but I would recommend upgrading your filter to a mobile 1 M108A or the Mazda one
@@TheSpicyRican The OEM Mazda RX-8 oil filter is desired because it has the same bypass oil pressure value as the OEM Subaru one, but is of higher quality (manufactured by Tokyo Roki in Japan, better filter material and construction) compared to the Subaru blue OEM oil filter (made by Fram, lesser build quality). Check out the oil filter comparison video done by Mr. Subaru 1387 for more information.
When you take off the filter like that, how much oil drains out exactly? I'm going to be switching my setup from in front of the AC condenser to behind the fog light.
That is a sweet set up I like it. 👍🏼👍🏼. Do you like the Mishimoto cooler?, is it reliable? I have a 2014 with a Koyorad and looking to install an oil cooler but been hearing mixed reviews on Mishimoto in general that’s why I didn’t go with that particular radiator. Can you please give me your opinion based on your experience with Mishimoto cooler or is there something better for my particular model? Thanks man
Great video, love the channel! If you don't mind me asking, where do you have your oil temp and pressure sensors installed? I can't imagine doing it with the oem cooler, oil filter adaptor for the sensors AND the sandwich plate.
The pil pressure sensor I use is in the stock galley for the OEM sensor (just deleted the OE sensor) and the temp sensor is above cyl 3 near the turbo in the back galley 🙏
Sandwich plate means no thermostat required! So how does thet plate work? Did the 90 get replaced by a 60 later. It would annoy me no end to have the two different fittings on the oil cooler.
Hey Tanner, just curious as to to which line runs to which port on the cooler? Is the hot oil going to the top of the cooler, or the bottom? If when the thermostat opens, is it pushing oil up through the cooler, so when it is closed will it will hold oil in the cooler, and if this is the case it will stop the oil from draining during an oil change. If hot oil is going to the top of the cooler, wont all oil drain back to the sump until the thermostat opens and allows oil to pass through, so pre-filling the cooler after install is not really necessary, just adding it to the sump should do. Wanting to do this upgrade, but curious as to the direction of flow.
So mishimoto makes a kit for 2001-05 that I got. They have a bracket that mounts it to the left of the hood letch behind crash bar. The ports are downward facing and it uses a sandwich plate. I have the thermostatic one for mine though. I wouldn't think oil drains back into the sump, just back to the oil filter and stops there?
Hey smeedia when you loosen the oil filter just a bit, before it starts leaking oil. Try putting one of those red plastic cups under/on it so when you loosen it, it catches most of the oil in the cup and the filter. I've been doing that for a while now it works real well let me know 😀 Hope all is well 🙏
The crazy part of me says “I wonder if I were to engineer a intercooler that utilizes the AC low pressure line coming off of the evap core line to pump cold refrigerant through a series of channels to bring down the intake temperature before and after track runs” Would be really awesome if I could make it happen just don’t know how well it would work and idk if it would be a benefit to be running AC while on the track in order to keep lower intake temps. But it could be beneficial to do the same thing but for a oil cooler to help reduce oil temps before or after runs.
@@Omegacron37 Yeah that’s why I don’t really know how well it would work, if it was a truly viable option it would have been done already, the thermal load would be ridiculous and probably require a massive dryer, condenser, and evap system, plus the heat would compress the cool refrigerant and heat it up so in essence it would operate more or less like a heat exchanger and less like an actual “cooler”
Hey Tanner Didn’t want to message you on Facebook I live up the street and was thinking about doing walnut blasting as a side job for 15+ WRX’s. I was wondering if you had an information regarding liability and how to stay safe. It’s not going to be anything big, I was just gonna do it out of the garage for people in my area. Any help is appreciated, thanks bro. Love the content man, keep it real🤙🏼
Isnt that header since its not wrapped or coated gonna just cook that oil filter and those lines especially when your tracking the car? Kuz when that header is red hot your filter is like mm away from it?
@@Smeedia MAN!! SORRY!! And I was so happy to see it done with Killer B headers. Which I have. Are you going to re-attempt to install it. And where did it leak from. AN Fitting or the rubber gasket. Thank you.
I’ve been wondering about using the OEM oil Warmer/cooler with an aftermarket oil cooler. The OEM “cooler” actually warms the oil up much faster and keeps it at a steady temp, where as if you just had a regular external oil cooler it would take you significantly longer to reach operating temps.
Oil coolers are a slight pain point for me right now... this video was helpful but makes me rethink installing mine since it's not entirely necessary. Got a kit from ConceptZ Performance for my vq35 last year, it's a same size 19 row Setrab core w/ a Mocal thermostatic sandwich plate. Went to install it 2 or so weeks ago, found out that apparently the awd vq has a different oil filter location on the front passenger side of the block, whereas the rwd vq has it around the corner on the actual side of the passenger side. This is relevant because of that adapter for the sandwich plate. The supplied adapter looks just like the polished one shown, however the stock one that threads into the block is the reverse of that and about 1.5 inches longer. The threads are on the outside on both ends. Needless to say I just did an oil change and put it back in the box for the time being.
Don't blame you, that's why I prefer to piece together a kit. Some of thr PNP kits out there work but still need some fittings to work for your application
@@Smeedia It'd work if I had a rwd model. I'm constantly finding that the g35x is just cut from a different cloth. Lots of stuff doesn't cross over 100%. Got a source on that sandwich plate fitting? Maybe they've got something I can use... or was it was supplied by Mishi, then nevermind.
@@Smeedia Good looking out. Isn't going to work though. I need to find the opposite type of adapter with threads on the outside for both ends, already got basically the exact same thing as yours with my kit. Guess I'll stay on the hunt. Sometimes I question why I went with the g35X for a dd with all these part inconsistencies... but man it's such an absolute unit.
Hey Tanner, ik u made a vid on what to look for when buying an older model subi. Would u suggest buying one that has a rebuilt motor? If yes, would it have to be a full motor rebuild, short block, long block, etc.??
Looks like the top of the oil radiator might be the new high point in the oil system. Hopefully it isn't and you aren't trapping air in there that would cycle through the system at a very inopportune time...
What size sheet metal did you use? Thiccccness wise? I have some i've been trying to make brackets out of and they are just WAYYYy tooo thicccccc. Huge PIA.
I feel like i'm over commenting so sorry. KB told me to put in the highest thermo i could find since it's always semi-open and never fully closed? I put in a 205 thermostat into the sandwich plate cause it does get into the 40's sometime 30's early morning here in NorCal.
@@Smeedia I'll be honest, when i had the stock pan and stock headers, my oil would be like 175-180 all day. Now with the KB pan and KB Headers 200-205/210 daily driving. KB swears there's no heat transfer from their headers but........... my gauge says otherwise. So with your KB headers and no coating, you're prolly gonna be fine is my guess.
How much in total did this cost compare to just buying the kit from Mishimoto? The kit on their website is $ 450. MAPerformance has their complete kit for $370 and $420 with the thermostat added. All in all, is it worth piecing it together and going through all the trouble?
Yo smedia just wondering, do you work on Suabrus for a living or what's your job to afford this lifestyle? I'm starting to realize that serving tables probably won't cut it when it comes to these things especially when you start modding
I build nines for people and do youtube full time 🙏 definitely takes a lot of work and long hours but wouldent trade it for the world! Quit my old 9-5 to pursue this full time ❤ my philosophy is just do what makes you happy, it's not always about thr $$$ but fulfillment and happiness
This video is very helpful. Looking into doing this to my 2011 STI. How much does your oil pressure drop? When changing the oil, do your have to drain the oil cooler core as well?
I only saw maybe a 2PSI drop, the cooler would open and close based off of oil temp so when it did open it only dropped a couple PSI for maybe 60 seconds or so 🙏
Those are what I usez little cheaper than vibrant and work great! The kit one included a handful of fittings but depending on where you mount it will depend on what fittings you need
Oil pressure normal to drop after installing the oil cooler? I seen a lot of people notice big drops in pressure Atleast at idol, is it somethin to be concerned about?
@@douglasbrill1376 Actually, this _is_ a genuine concern. The oil pressure will drop every time the thermostat in the sandwich plate opens. You can see it happen in the video when the temperature reaches 85 degrees Celsius. At idle, this isn't a problem, but if you're at full chat, it _could_ be.
@@ericn7698 how can you fix the drop In pressure then? Cuz my last motor blew due to low oil pressure / oil lol a lot of it being my fault.. but I don’t want that to happen again
@@douglasbrill1376 I should clarify, the drop in oil pressure is momentary and minimal. It shouldn't be a problem, but YMMV. As long as you have sized the oil pump correctly for your bearing clearances, weight of oil, and intended usage, the engine will remain healthy.
@@Smeedia Be baller and either go with a Jun manifold or if you really want to be crazy track down one of the Tomei individual throttle body intake manifolds. Since you're going balls out on the car and everything.
Oil overcool bad. I have a buddy with an oil cooler without a thermostat and he cannot overheat it at the track but cruising on the highway it's hard to keep warm 😭
Curious to see if your oil pressure drops. I have a CFS radiator with a built-in oil cooler when I hooked up the oil lines I noticed my oil pressure dropped a good 25- 30 psi.Definitely was a concern so I disconnected it. Curious what your pressure does
Just cause I seen one that had the brown sludge in one of the lines. I don’t really have any blow by. But I do see a tiny bit of condensation and a drop here and there of the brown sludge.
What have you done for coolant. I’m having overheating issues. Checked everything and now I’m told to vent the hood to let air and heat out. I was going to do the Honda style tilted hood but the hood mount 10mm won’t work. It has studs in the hood. Can’t extend those. Everything has been checked and everything is fine. No low temp thermo. Engine guys doesn’t recommend it
@@Smeedia yeah.... so just use the pancake for oil cooler and the use the oem locations for the gauges? Do you know off hand a website that has the adapters for doing oil temp and pressure?
This what ur talking about that perrin, so it could accommodate both gauges and an oil cooler? shop.redline360.com/products/perrin-oil-temperature-pressure-adapter-subaru-wrx-03-14-wrx-sti-04-20-asm-gau-100 Is there a disadvantage potentially having all that installed in one adapter?
Off topic but tanner what’s the best way to prevent swirls. I have hella swirls on my wrx that I cringe looking at it. Buff and polish soon but what’s a good way to keep the paint looking good
Details like The explanation to why you’re retaining the stock in addition to the external are the small little things that set this channel aside and make the sub so worth it
I try to cover why I'm doing the things I'm doing u like some others I've seen where is a long time lapse of them just installing the parts. 😅🙏
Don't give me fish. Teach me to fish!!!🤔😉
So cool watching this build from Beginning of this year to now.
She's finally getting to where I want it 😁
Videos like this are why yours is the best Subaru mod channel around.
I would like to add on that I think the only scenario where completely deleting the stock oil heat exchanger makes any sense is for a dedicated track-only vehicle. The benefits that it offers, as you covered, are just too great to lose in a machine that spends any amount of time on the street. I actually wish I could find one that was bigger than the stock part, because if there were such a thing, you'd probably never need add a secondary oil cooler *except* on a track machine.
Alqays appreciate the support! And totally agree. The stock cooler has so many benefits to just delete from a street car. Having both in there has been awesome for daily driving the car!
Man you really do know how to make things work out. Shout out to small dog!!
I will find one way or another to get things fitted 😁😁😁
Awesome video, & great info + insight dude. This is the 1st time I've heard anyone else thoroughly explain why its a benefit to keep the OEM oil cooler when adding the external oil cooler. I put together my DIY oil cooler kit on my 2011 STI a couple years ago, same routing & placed it literally the same way you did. Keep it up man, love your videos!
Works great with the OEM cooler, alot of people delete them but in the winter time definitely can over cool the oil. Glad to hear your set ups been working for ya too!
I attempted to delete the oem or stock oil cooler and went with the mishimoto expansion plate against the frame. With my tomei headers I didn’t have the clearance to do so. I put the oem one back on and ran it just as you did with your setup. You might have run into a similar issue with your setup back then since it was tight to begin with your killer 🐝 headers
My buddy has a FMIC and he placed the oil cooler where the top mount was, what’s your thought 💭 on that?
Works great, I just did not want to make brackets for that 😅
I thought it was a bad idea to have a cooler as the highest point of an oil system? I have no idea from personal experience/ just read it on forums.
Can be bad for airflow when you have a FMIC; you want air in the nose and out the hood. Injecting air into the hood scoop with a fmic creates turbulence and high pressure pockets not allowing fresh air in through the nose. Not an expert but take that for what it's worth. If your daily driving and don't do track use (Tracks w/ turns), i wouldn't worry about it too much.
@@Black16STI I've heard that theory before but I don't think it's true. If it was the radiator would be negatively impacted in stock form as it sits in the same opening.
Edit: my biggest issue with it is the oil "cooler" sitting on top of the engine getting heat soaked like the TMIC is prone to doing and becoming an oil "warmer". 😄
@@chandlerbraaten847 Yea i feel it and what you're saying. I think it has 'just' thinking behind the concept of the airflow and it's draw backs are mainly seen on track and not daily driving. While it may 'work' being setup that way, it's likely very far from 'optimal'
I've also heard that it's not very good to have the oil cooler core at the highest point in the oiling system.
But then again, def not an expect at this.
Great content as usual. I went with the CSF Radiator with built in oil cooler and it works in conjunction with the OEM oil cooler. Made me have a better piece of mind when run the car harder from time to time.
What are you seeing for Temps with that one? 👀🔥
@@Smeedia on a 2-4 pull I see a high of 205 and an overall average temp of 195 on a hot summer and 180 during winter.
my wrx has a oem oil cooler iv been looking at a oil cooler upgrade as she gets a bit warm after a mountain run this vid helped heaps
Glad that it helped! 😁😁😁
Nice oil cooler install T! Im on the way to pick up my subie finally!!
YESSSS!!!! 😍😍😍
this man is the goat of subaru builds
Good info and entertaining video as usual. Love the detail you go into with the how and why. I believe they make a blanket that attaches to oil filter. Heat shield products is the company. Looks like a blanket for turbo. Definitely worth considering to keep oil filter from heat soaking next to header.
Going to check that out, if so it's definitely worth snagging
Hey man, I would highly suggest wrapping your headers, especially with how close your filter, and oil cooler lines are to it. You can get an oil filter blanket too, just to help keep the filter from getting extremely hot.
When the engine is getting swapped to thr new short block the header is getting coated. For the time being I'm not too worried on it 🙏
I have never thought about adding the OEM cooler on top of having an external cooler. My STI has problems getting up to temp in the winter so this would be a great solution.
Definitely would help bring it up to temp! 😁
I cant wait to see this car @ big northwest!!
Soon! Flares ship out today too!
@Smeedia im so happy that you posted this because my oil cooler came in like the same day you posted this
Eyyyyy perfect timing!!!!
Sweet, loving your vids and the list w/links of items you used. I’m pretty bad with mechanical better with medical so I appreciate how you simplify everything
I'm terrible with medical band aids are about all I got 😅
Next mod project. I believe we need this in the tropics, summer temps are approaching the high 4X°C...
Definitely one of my new favorite channels... keep it up my guy
Alqays appreciate the support my friend ❤
The info you offer is great to have you doing the mods and sharing info and ideas
Glad that I can share and that the videos help 😁😁😁😁
Pretty sick mod man. When you change the oil now are you going to have to empty the cooler as well or just allow that quart to cycle with the new oil?
Shouldent need to empty it when doing changes, just allow that small amount of filter back throughb
@smeedia
What are you thoughs on Mishimoto, there name gets thrown around alot as being lower quality parts! especially radiators! i want to build an oil cooler hence why i am asking
Hit of miss, their radiators are not my first choice but for smaller items like what I did I don't have an issue with them
What a change of times last oil cooler install went… well we don’t talk about that time. This time smooth as butter!
Lol this one went much much smoother 😅🔥
@smeedia at 2:02 when you say "your also gonna need this" where do I get that and what is it called, thank you so much for all your info you rock!
How many quarts disappear between oil changes haha. After a sand dune trip in my rx it definately burns oil in the bumps and thrashing on the dunes. This oil cooler is a must for that kind of driving.
If you are serious about tracking it, I cannot stress enough. Proper brake pads and tires. Those all seasons will die on track. Also I was talking with a guy who has a dedicated track wrx and the amount of crap coming out of his aos is crazy. He has a comp series routed to a catch can and has to drain it after every session. Just food for thought.
Those all seasons would not go on the track, I've got a set of Bridgestone potenza Re760s for the track, the pads are easy to swap out so not too worried there.
Damn thats nice, definitely want to eventually install one on my wrx for sure.
Well worth it 🙌😁
Wrap that header near the filter and fitting
Going to send it out to get coated when we do the next rebuild in a couple months 🙏
it might be just me but the way matt said “yeah” at the end when you asked him if he needed one reminded me of john wick😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Also thank you for this I've been thinking about doing it on my 650hp sti for a few months now... but I would recommend upgrading your filter to a mobile 1 M108A or the Mazda one
I need thr Mazda one, I just happened to have a small stock of the OE blues laying around 😅
@@Smeedia yep I use the Mazda one too... but I just ordered all the same stuff so thanks haha
Why use the Mazda one? I'm assuming it fits if ya'll say u guys have the Mazda one, but what's the advantage of the Mazda vs Subaru OEM oil filter?
@@TheSpicyRican a lot more filter material and a bit more capacity
@@TheSpicyRican The OEM Mazda RX-8 oil filter is desired because it has the same bypass oil pressure value as the OEM Subaru one, but is of higher quality (manufactured by Tokyo Roki in Japan, better filter material and construction) compared to the Subaru blue OEM oil filter (made by Fram, lesser build quality). Check out the oil filter comparison video done by Mr. Subaru 1387 for more information.
When you take off the filter like that, how much oil drains out exactly? I'm going to be switching my setup from in front of the AC condenser to behind the fog light.
Maybe 18th if a quart, not too much
That is a sweet set up I like it. 👍🏼👍🏼. Do you like the Mishimoto cooler?, is it reliable? I have a 2014 with a Koyorad and looking to install an oil cooler but been hearing mixed reviews on Mishimoto in general that’s why I didn’t go with that particular radiator. Can you please give me your opinion based on your experience with Mishimoto cooler or is there something better for my particular model? Thanks man
I had it on for a while it kept leaning though 😤 I would suggest setrab cores 🔥
Gonna have to be very cautious doin oil changes since the oil filter is next to the header may burn yourself a couple times swapping it out
Lop definitely going to pre plan to let the car cool down before doing so 😅🙏
Hey smeedia awesome video and info about oil cooling and hey I think Killer b sells a magnetic oil filter cover
Definitely going to have to check that out 😁😁😁
Great video, love the channel! If you don't mind me asking, where do you have your oil temp and pressure sensors installed? I can't imagine doing it with the oem cooler, oil filter adaptor for the sensors AND the sandwich plate.
The pil pressure sensor I use is in the stock galley for the OEM sensor (just deleted the OE sensor) and the temp sensor is above cyl 3 near the turbo in the back galley 🙏
Sandwich plate means no thermostat required! So how does thet plate work? Did the 90 get replaced by a 60 later. It would annoy me no end to have the two different fittings on the oil cooler.
Hey Tanner, just curious as to to which line runs to which port on the cooler? Is the hot oil going to the top of the cooler, or the bottom? If when the thermostat opens, is it pushing oil up through the cooler, so when it is closed will it will hold oil in the cooler, and if this is the case it will stop the oil from draining during an oil change. If hot oil is going to the top of the cooler, wont all oil drain back to the sump until the thermostat opens and allows oil to pass through, so pre-filling the cooler after install is not really necessary, just adding it to the sump should do. Wanting to do this upgrade, but curious as to the direction of flow.
So mishimoto makes a kit for 2001-05 that I got. They have a bracket that mounts it to the left of the hood letch behind crash bar. The ports are downward facing and it uses a sandwich plate. I have the thermostatic one for mine though. I wouldn't think oil drains back into the sump, just back to the oil filter and stops there?
Hey smeedia when you loosen the oil filter just a bit, before it starts leaking oil. Try putting one of those red plastic cups under/on it so when you loosen it, it catches most of the oil in the cup and the filter. I've been doing that for a while now it works real well let me know 😀
Hope all is well 🙏
Need to go snag me some red solo cups!
Heck yea they come in real handy, and no oil on your hands either!
@@Smeedia also happy belated birthday tanner hope all is well and have a great year 😊 stay safe
Mine is a 2011 and it's got the oem and itz pretty good 👍🏾
The oem one works well 🙌
Another great video bro keep it up 🙌🙌🙌
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I’m not seeing the link for the adapter fitting you used to run both coolers. If you have time may I get the link or descriptions on it?
I love all the videos on this channel :)
Alqays appreciate the support Doug!
@@Smeedia I’ll be here till the end my man, I ain’t goin anywhere 🔥😂 I watch every single video that pops up, even at work hahah
nice and clean. Good job
Thanks Jeff 🙌🙌🙌
Can u do a video on best things about a Subaru..
I mean I can, anything in specific?! 😁
Not really… just things u like about the car
Also Advice to person who are thinking of buying one
Can definitely make that happen 🙏🙏🙏
The crazy part of me says “I wonder if I were to engineer a intercooler that utilizes the AC low pressure line coming off of the evap core line to pump cold refrigerant through a series of channels to bring down the intake temperature before and after track runs”
Would be really awesome if I could make it happen just don’t know how well it would work and idk if it would be a benefit to be running AC while on the track in order to keep lower intake temps.
But it could be beneficial to do the same thing but for a oil cooler to help reduce oil temps before or after runs.
I think hellcats actually do that😅🔥
@@Smeedia
Well then let’s get to work reverse engineering that shit lol
To do it you need a large thermal mass to "store" all the cooling you get from the AC system. So you'd want to switch to an air to water IC setup.
@@Omegacron37
Yeah that’s why I don’t really know how well it would work, if it was a truly viable option it would have been done already, the thermal load would be ridiculous and probably require a massive dryer, condenser, and evap system, plus the heat would compress the cool refrigerant and heat it up so in essence it would operate more or less like a heat exchanger and less like an actual “cooler”
Like Smeedia said the Hellcat does this already: www.thedrive.com/article/8781/dodge-challenger-srt-demon-uses-the-ac-to-cool-the-engine
So, what will needed to be done for oil changes? Need to drain ext. Cooler? What will be easiest way too? Nice setup.
No need to drain the cooler should be the exact same to do oil changes 😁
Hey Tanner
Didn’t want to message you on Facebook
I live up the street and was thinking about doing walnut blasting as a side job for 15+ WRX’s. I was wondering if you had an information regarding liability and how to stay safe. It’s not going to be anything big, I was just gonna do it out of the garage for people in my area. Any help is appreciated, thanks bro. Love the content man, keep it real🤙🏼
Just make sure thr valves are closed when blasting, fairly straight forward service so I woukdent stress too much on it 🙏🙏
Isnt that header since its not wrapped or coated gonna just cook that oil filter and those lines especially when your tracking the car? Kuz when that header is red hot your filter is like mm away from it?
The header is getting sent off to be coated soon 🙏
Bro, please please take a second and make 2 more brackets for the top, my ocd is killing me 😵💫😵💫😂😂😂
I need to get more sheet metal 😅
Gotta cop one of these bad boys ASAP! 🔥
Cop em up 🙌
Hello Smeedia. Thank you for the video. Well done. Wanted to know. How's the oil cooler holding up. Any issues.
I actually ended up removing it due to the fact that the sandwich plate kept leaking 😪
@@Smeedia MAN!! SORRY!! And I was so happy to see it done with Killer B headers. Which I have. Are you going to re-attempt to install it. And where did it leak from. AN Fitting or the rubber gasket. Thank you.
The rubber seal around the sandwich plate to block 😤 it was a slow slow leak. A little sealant on there and it would prob seal 👌
Nicely done sir!
Thabk you! 😁😁😁
Could you, after having your new engine done, show us a breakdown of the price?
You know I will 😁🔥
@@Smeedia just would like to double check :D
I’ve been wondering about using the OEM oil Warmer/cooler with an aftermarket oil cooler. The OEM “cooler” actually warms the oil up much faster and keeps it at a steady temp, where as if you just had a regular external oil cooler it would take you significantly longer to reach operating temps.
Agreed, been seeing some good Temps using both. Oil had not really gone over 93* C using both
Oil coolers are a slight pain point for me right now... this video was helpful but makes me rethink installing mine since it's not entirely necessary.
Got a kit from ConceptZ Performance for my vq35 last year, it's a same size 19 row Setrab core w/ a Mocal thermostatic sandwich plate. Went to install it 2 or so weeks ago, found out that apparently the awd vq has a different oil filter location on the front passenger side of the block, whereas the rwd vq has it around the corner on the actual side of the passenger side.
This is relevant because of that adapter for the sandwich plate. The supplied adapter looks just like the polished one shown, however the stock one that threads into the block is the reverse of that and about 1.5 inches longer. The threads are on the outside on both ends. Needless to say I just did an oil change and put it back in the box for the time being.
Don't blame you, that's why I prefer to piece together a kit. Some of thr PNP kits out there work but still need some fittings to work for your application
@@Smeedia It'd work if I had a rwd model. I'm constantly finding that the g35x is just cut from a different cloth. Lots of stuff doesn't cross over 100%.
Got a source on that sandwich plate fitting? Maybe they've got something I can use... or was it was supplied by Mishi, then nevermind.
Amazon is where I got it. Linked that one if you wanna give it a try
@@Smeedia Good looking out. Isn't going to work though. I need to find the opposite type of adapter with threads on the outside for both ends, already got basically the exact same thing as yours with my kit. Guess I'll stay on the hunt.
Sometimes I question why I went with the g35X for a dd with all these part inconsistencies... but man it's such an absolute unit.
i have the mishi cooler kit and their mounting has both ports pointing down. never thought of the oil draining back.
Gravity has to take that oil and put it somewhere 😅
@@Smeedia you made a good point though. i'm considering mounting vertically, like you did, to prevent an empty cooler on every start up.
Hey Tanner, ik u made a vid on what to look for when buying an older model subi. Would u suggest buying one that has a rebuilt motor? If yes, would it have to be a full motor rebuild, short block, long block, etc.??
Only and only of it has all the paper work with it, too many times I've seen people say X,Y or Z has been done and it never was
@@Smeedia Tysm man, I really appreciate it and all of the info u give out!
Looks like the top of the oil radiator might be the new high point in the oil system. Hopefully it isn't and you aren't trapping air in there that would cycle through the system at a very inopportune time...
It's not, the oil feed lines for the AVCS and Turbo still sit higher 🙏
What if a double oil cooler effect.. like a side front bumper mounted secondary assist oil cooler 🤣🤣
So. Factory oil cooler also warms the oil.. then it circles to your aftermarket cooler to cool off. Then back to warm up?? Am
I getting that right?
Pretty much, yes 🙏😁
What size sheet metal did you use? Thiccccness wise? I have some i've been trying to make brackets out of and they are just WAYYYy tooo thicccccc. Huge PIA.
I think is was 16 gauge but cannot confirm 😅
Love that it’s all hidden 👌. How do you find the quality of Mishimoto parts?
Hit or miss, some smaller parts like this I'm alright with but their kits im.not a huge fan of
I feel like i'm over commenting so sorry. KB told me to put in the highest thermo i could find since it's always semi-open and never fully closed? I put in a 205 thermostat into the sandwich plate cause it does get into the 40's sometime 30's early morning here in NorCal.
I may do something similar in the winter if I notice mine staying too cold 🥶
@@Smeedia I'll be honest, when i had the stock pan and stock headers, my oil would be like 175-180 all day. Now with the KB pan and KB Headers 200-205/210 daily driving.
KB swears there's no heat transfer from their headers but........... my gauge says otherwise.
So with your KB headers and no coating, you're prolly gonna be fine is my guess.
Any coating on the headers or wrap?
@@Smeedia KB Coating forget the actual name of it.
Basically whatever the coating is they offer for an additional fee.
Great Install! Did the Oil Cooler affect your oil pressure post install?
No effect on oil pressure 😁
20-30PSI at idle
70ish while driving
90 on cold start
How much in total did this cost compare to just buying the kit from Mishimoto? The kit on their website is $ 450. MAPerformance has their complete kit for $370 and $420 with the thermostat added. All in all, is it worth piecing it together and going through all the trouble?
Think in total I spend like $300, much prefer building my own lines vs using pre-made ones. Gives you more control as to how you want to route them
I am starting to think about putting one on my car since the turbo is only oil cooled...
Yo smedia just wondering, do you work on Suabrus for a living or what's your job to afford this lifestyle? I'm starting to realize that serving tables probably won't cut it when it comes to these things especially when you start modding
I build nines for people and do youtube full time 🙏 definitely takes a lot of work and long hours but wouldent trade it for the world! Quit my old 9-5 to pursue this full time ❤ my philosophy is just do what makes you happy, it's not always about thr $$$ but fulfillment and happiness
Great work!!
Thank you Jason 🙏🙌
This video is very helpful. Looking into doing this to my 2011 STI. How much does your oil pressure drop? When changing the oil, do your have to drain the oil cooler core as well?
I only saw maybe a 2PSI drop, the cooler would open and close based off of oil temp so when it did open it only dropped a couple PSI for maybe 60 seconds or so 🙏
@@Smeedia what about during oil change. Would the core need to be drained as well?
It shouldent need to be but it never hurts to drain it 🤙
Are all of the required fittings in the "EVIL ENERGY 10AN Fuel line Hose Fitting Kit" in your Amazon link?
Those are what I usez little cheaper than vibrant and work great!
The kit one included a handful of fittings but depending on where you mount it will depend on what fittings you need
@@Smeedia thanks man 😁😁
Oil pressure normal to drop after installing the oil cooler? I seen a lot of people notice big drops in pressure Atleast at idol, is it somethin to be concerned about?
Mine shouldent drop at idle. Oil has to be above 85 C to drop for the thermostat to open, but haven't noticed any change
@@Smeedia sweeet so maybe the videos I watched people don’t know what they are doin 😂😂😂 so happy to watch your videos tho
@@douglasbrill1376 Actually, this _is_ a genuine concern. The oil pressure will drop every time the thermostat in the sandwich plate opens. You can see it happen in the video when the temperature reaches 85 degrees Celsius. At idle, this isn't a problem, but if you're at full chat, it _could_ be.
@@ericn7698 how can you fix the drop
In pressure then? Cuz my last motor blew due to low oil pressure / oil lol a lot of it being my fault.. but I don’t want that to happen again
@@douglasbrill1376 I should clarify, the drop in oil pressure is momentary and minimal. It shouldn't be a problem, but YMMV. As long as you have sized the oil pump correctly for your bearing clearances, weight of oil, and intended usage, the engine will remain healthy.
If you're worried about it at all put some header wrap on the headers
Not too worried when we replace the shortblick the headers will be sent out to get coated 🔥
@@Smeedia orrrrr sell me them and just order the precoated ones from killerbee 😁😁😁
Speaking of the new stuff. What's gonna happen with the throttle body? I remember it being a bit broken?
Lol it's the intake manifold, might as well go PW or AMS 😅😅
@@Smeedia Be baller and either go with a Jun manifold or if you really want to be crazy track down one of the Tomei individual throttle body intake manifolds. Since you're going balls out on the car and everything.
@@donmerrigan2362 those tomeis look insane. Go for the wrc 22b manifold. Hella expensive but I mean if it's good for wrc it's good enough for street
Aye i got this same oil cooler kit👌🏾
Good set up 😁🙌
The PERSUADER! Jeremy Clarkson would be proud!
Stoked for the corn content!
Lol it's the best tool of them all 😈 and sameeeee can't wait to get thr new engine together and making more power!
Which i can mount my cooler there . I have that rad chassis brace . I will have it mount my cooler in the wheel well area
Seen a handful of great set ups in the wheel wheel area. Good airflow there!
Every time I see a hammer now, I'll always remember how you called yours "The Old Persuader" XD
Lol its exactly what they are 😉
Why did I need to remove my factory sti oil cooler 2020 ? I wish I was able to keep both the shop said I wasn’t able too. I have a Perrin oil cooler.
You don't need to, some shops remove them. I found best if both worlds it to use both coolers
You have a parts number or link for the oil filter bolt?
Oil overcool bad. I have a buddy with an oil cooler without a thermostat and he cannot overheat it at the track but cruising on the highway it's hard to keep warm 😭
Oooooffff 😖😖😖 took it out today and on the highway the car sits right at 85* C (185 F) getting on it and it won't go above 215F now
@@Smeedia I need that. I have an 11 WRX w no oil cooler! Scares me
Curious to see if your oil pressure drops. I have a CFS radiator with a built-in oil cooler when I hooked up the oil lines I noticed my oil pressure dropped a good 25- 30 psi.Definitely was a concern so I disconnected it. Curious what your pressure does
No oil pressure drop, still hangs out at
20-30 PSI at idle
80 when driving
90-100 on cold starts
Link to that bolt to retain the stock cooler? I have a 16 WRX
can you fit an oil cooler, an tranny cooler AND a front mount intercooler up there?
Technically you could, your radiator might hate you though 😅
What is the piece at 8:23 does anyone know where to get one, thank you
Question. What do you think of installing the AOS on a 04 wrx that doesn’t have the stock oil cooler ? Would I have any issues
Just cause I seen one that had the brown sludge in one of the lines.
I don’t really have any blow by. But I do see a tiny bit of condensation and a drop here and there of the brown sludge.
Hey, if the oil doesn’t drain back to the sump and has a thermostat how do you change the oil in the cooler?
A little bit of oil will remain in the cooler but nothing that should harm anything 🙏🙏🙏
I wonder if this same concept can be use on the FA wrx
Should be able to 🔥
If i wanted to run this setup with an accusump would i be able to run it in between the outlet of the cooler and the sandwich plate?
You should be able to, you may see a pressure drop though
Is it safe to do launch control doing rolls on the highway
That's rolling anti lag, the AP doesn't have that 😅
I heard you say it was bad to have it upside down? Do you know if Mishimoto kit is bad for it then? Due to it being upside down?
If you can avoid it I suggest doing so, the mishimoto core isn't bad but I wouldent buy their kit
@@Smeedia thank you so much for replying! Is it because of the mounting location that you wouldn’t recommend it for? Or because the way they mount it?
What have you done for coolant. I’m having overheating issues. Checked everything and now I’m told to vent the hood to let air and heat out. I was going to do the Honda style tilted hood but the hood mount 10mm won’t work. It has studs in the hood. Can’t extend those. Everything has been checked and everything is fine. No low temp thermo. Engine guys doesn’t recommend it
What Temps are you seeing?👀
@@Smeedia maybe 200-210 without ac and upwards of 220-234 with ac.
Not terrible, tells shouldent jump that much with AC though
Will you be wrapping those headers?
Sending them out for coating 🙏🙏🙏
@@Smeedia 😩 Oh man that’s gonna look so nice 👌👌
Great video...
Need some aluminum foil for wrapping that spot on the header when dropping the filter...no more ruining microfiber towels and doesn't soak through
Going to do this next time, tbh did not even think of that 😅
Cover the oil filter in an old grocery bag to catch the oil ;)
That's actually genius! 😅🔥
@@Smeedia 😅😅
What was the size of the adapter for the sandwich plate?
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Did you do this same modification on your blue car...??
Attempted 😅
Used a pre assembled kit and it just did not fit well
@@Smeedia no doubt. It's something I'll invest into later down the road.
I got a good question, is there an oil filter pancake that would accommodate oil temp, oil pressure and oil cooler ports?
Only one that comes to mind is perrin, I would suggest adding oil temp to the gally on cyl 3 and pressure on cylinder 2 under the alternator 🙏
@@Smeedia yeah.... so just use the pancake for oil cooler and the use the oem locations for the gauges? Do you know off hand a website that has the adapters for doing oil temp and pressure?
This what ur talking about that perrin, so it could accommodate both gauges and an oil cooler? shop.redline360.com/products/perrin-oil-temperature-pressure-adapter-subaru-wrx-03-14-wrx-sti-04-20-asm-gau-100
Is there a disadvantage potentially having all that installed in one adapter?
You wouldent get the most accurate readings but you can pull from them. In thr past I've used prosports adaptors 🔥
@@Smeedia ok, ill look into that. Thanks
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Off topic but tanner what’s the best way to prevent swirls. I have hella swirls on my wrx that I cringe looking at it. Buff and polish soon but what’s a good way to keep the paint looking good
Clean with wax and grease remover, correct the paint, put a ceramic coat on top. I haven't perfected it yet but getting better 😅🔥