One of the most important and often overlooked parts of the guitar rig. Its also amazing how different the same model of speakers can sound; even ones that were made the same day/week on a production line.
At first glance I felt it is clear: Electro Voice wins. When played together with drums I was convinced the eminence is better as it sits better in the mix ...
Dude!!! This surprised me a lot! I been using EV12Ls since the late 90s for metal. So I'm familiar with the EV12L. I have to say that the EV12L sounds "nasaly" and not nearly as clear in a mix. The Eminence EM12 sounds so much better alone and in a mix. It just sounds like a superior speaker for $100 less!
@@rugbyguitargod the go would be the X pattern as you did blend. These guys compared EV 12L to a Thickboy clone which sounded very dull imo. ruclips.net/video/nLf2f8HVX-0/видео.html
I was sold on the Electro-Voice EVM12L until I heard the demo at 4:50 and there was a weird buzz tone. The Eminence EM12 shined there. On the earlier clean and distorted demos the Eminence sounded nasally ... mid rangy.
I don't hear that whooshy buzz you are referring to in the samples outside of the mix, nor do I hear it in other videos demonstrating the EVM12L Classic. There's something in the mixed sample that has a weird EQ setting that needs to be tamed down. It sounds like a high mid boosted too much on a very narrow band, and the frequency is oscillating I think around the 2k range.
It's funny...I liked both of them clean and when they were distorted and isolated my immediate reaction was the EV was a lot better but then in a band mix the Eminence speakers sounded WAY better to me...and ultimately THAT's what I'm looking for...my guitar tones to work better in a full band mix. Anyway, pretty much all of my tube amps have lower wattage Celestions or other low watt speakers and I've been looking for something higher powered to use with my AxeFx II XL+/Matrix power amp rig. I prefer to use guitar cabs with the cab sims off on the AxeFx rather than using a full range setup. I've been using a pair of Mesa Lonestar 2x12 cabs with the Celestion C-90's in them and they sound good but if my bass player turns up too much I run the risk of blowing my speakers trying to keep up with him...at 8ohms the amp puts out 320 watts per channel and the Mesa cabs only handle 180 watts. After listening to a ton of clips I decided to mix an Eminence Legend EM12 and an Eminence Tonker in each cab (for 350 watts total per cab). They should be here in about a week.
Interesting test. I'm finding the EM12 more 'guitar friendly' in it's frequency response. THE EV seems to have a strange 'artificial' for lack of a better term Midrange.
I like the EM12 better. To me it sounds nice and smooth in the mix while the EV has a weird upper frequency fizz that comes through on my headphones. Sometimes the 'clone' emulates the PERCEIVED sound of the original, rather then the ACTUAL sound. It's like the EM gives an already mixed and mastered sound of the EV.
Yes the EVM12L does have a slight Hiss to it at an upper frequency when Overdrive is cranked. It sounds awesome on its own. Though in the full band mix, The EM12N cut's through much better because it's bottom end is much more prominent than the EVM12L.The EVM12L has nice detailed mid-highs. Fortunately I have a 2X12 Cab that might just weigh well over 50 pounds in the near future.
Ooop's. I meant EM12, not EM12N. But that being said there is a Neodymium speaker designed by Eminence to be exactly like the EM12. It is the legend series EM12N. The N of course stands for neodymium. Neodymium magnets are far more powerful than Alnico, or Ceramic magnets.There are 2 main reasons Neodymium is the way of the future for me, and a lot of others. 1 the EM12 weighs 16.3 lbs. The EM12N only weighs 6.6lbs. That's a lot of weight reduction. Especially for a 4x12 cab. Secondly I feel the neodymium magnets out perform the ceramic magnets as for the Tightness of the sound. I know it might sound crazy that someone took a magnet that is most generally used to keep a refrigerator door closed, and put it in a speaker, but neodymium works awesome for tightening up the speaker response. I myself have a new less than 300 bones Harley Benton 2x12 vertical cab with V30's in it. I'm going to replace them with the eminence EM12N (60hz-4.2khz), and a new model from celestion NEO Copperback (70hz-55khz). Both of those speakers Match perfectly at 100db each, and I'm certain that the strength's vs the weaknesses of each speaker, the cab would sound awesome. That being said. Have you ever heard of Neodymium Guitar Pickups?If you haven't Try looking into an *Entwistle HDN* Pickup. You can get them for less than 30 bones all day long, and i'll put them up against any SD custom shop pickup (that I own) and they will hold there own for tightness. I'm rambling. Thanks for the comparison video. Great job doing it. Excellent Riffing as to show what we really need to hear, as opposed to shredding ability's. I'm pretty much a Riffing Mad man myself. Check this puppy out. ruclips.net/video/ylhgEmnCvYg/видео.html
The EM definitely sounded more "upfront" compared to EVM (for lack of better word) which the latter sounds like it spreads out the entire upper midrange and top end instead of concentrating it in certain areas from 2 to 4kHz.
Yea, by quite a bit actually. I had gigged and rehearsed quite a bit with the EVs in the cabinet for about 6-8 months with my death metal band beforehand, so i'd wager they'd been broken in properly.
The other thing about 12L is the older the better. At least that's what they convinced me of. Mine is in a Boogie S O B made in 85. Plain silver magnet plate small writing along the side.
That is pretty well consistent with pretty much any guitar speaker. However, both of these speakers were fairly new, which is a much more objective comparison versus comparing an older, broken-in EVM12L against a practically brand new speaker (which I also had on hand at the time)
IRL I prefered the EM12. I've tried both in my Mesa cabs. The EM12 worked better with the band. If my choice was based on this video I would have flipped a coin if the price was equal.
All speakers color the sound of the amp to which they are connected. The true natural sound of an amp is fizzy noise until it is connected to a speaker.
I know the video is old, but man that EVM12L sounds like a bucket of hornets. I like the clarity more of the EM12. It just seemed more rounded. But still I don't think either is what I am looking for in my cabinet. Maybe? Do you have a video of the EM12 in comparison to a Vintage 30, and used together? I'm looking to mix with my V30 in a 2X12 and maybe the EM might go well with it.
I wouldn't recommend mixing either of these with a V30, since they're so drastically different sounding tonally. On top of that, with the Vintage 30 rated at 60 watts and the EM12/EVM12 rated at 200 watts, the V30 will definitely reach breakup well before an EM12/EVM12. I'd recommend the EM12/EVM12L if you have a higher-wattage amp that needs some high-mid focus and is capable of pushing them to move air. The EM12/EVM12Ls were a perfect match for my Mesa Tremoverb; especially at gigging volumes.
Also, if you're going to run the EM12/EVM12L in a 2x12, you either need a LOT of cabinet volume or a Theile-ported 2x12. I'd recommend a Mojotone Twin Canyon 2x12, since they're pretty much the biggest 2x12 cabinet you can get and you can get them unloaded for around $350
@@rugbyguitargod Ok, I was not thinking about that with that speaker being 200 watts. Thanks, Ill check into it. I was just checking out a video and seen a Cream back H I believe was about 75 watts? Sounded really nice with the Vintage 30 in a 2x12. I have a really small place I live in right now and I downsized from 4X12 a few years back. I got this Marshal 2X12 that has a couple Seventy 80's in it and they're ok. But I want something different for sound. So I bought 1 V30 for now on its way. Ill mix those for now with it, but its always the chase of tone. Thanks!
@@DreidMusicalX I'll tell you a speaker that pairs really well with a Celestion Seventy-80 and that's a Jensen MOD 12-70. I ran a pair of the Seventy-80s and a pair of the 12-70s in an X pattern of a Blackstar 4x12 cabinet and was super balanced and full sounding. The Jensens are also easy to come by for next to nothing price-wise. I have an older shootout video where I did a super quick demo of a few different speakers/cabinets (some had V30s) where you can really hear the difference.
Not even close. How can manufacturers continually do this... make a speaker "based on" or as a "competitor to" another famous brand that sounds nothing like the original???
To be fair, Eminence never marketed the EM12 as a 'clone' of the EVM12L. It was more like, they took the concept of what an EVM12L is and seasoned it to taste for $150 less.
I have a delta pro 12a which I put in a cabinet that I built. It's an open cabinet with bass reflect tube. I drive it with a class D amp. The amp can easily deliver clean 100W RMS. Now I connect my line 6 pod go to the input of the amp and the sound is terrible. It's screaming and unpleasant. If I disable the cabinet emulation of the pod go it gets better but definitely not good. If I connect my bass guitar it sound great but 6 strings electric guitar sounds bad. Any idea what could be wrong here?
Pod is definitely wrong here ;) you speaker is killer so that is not the culprit here : if you have an effect loop in your amp definitely try plug your pod here and disable speaker simulation. If you're still not happy from there, throw your pod or resell it and buy a better alternative, because it is long time outdated. A sansamp GT2 would be much, much, MUCH better and still sound good with your bass. Or a modern, and I insist modern multi effect might do the trick and it'd be easier to find and buy, plus you would benefit from different available effects, but remember it would be better to still plug it in your effets loop (if you have one) and disable the speaker simulation.
there is a problem with the setup... the non powered speakers in the cabinet will act as passive radiators and present a load to the powered speakers.....
Erick Emerald I took that into consideration. Inversely, active speakers can have the same effect. For the sake of speaker isolation combined with the lower volume and cab size, I don't feel like there's a real noticeable tonal coloring of the unpowered speakers.
I'm a bass player and the EM12 sounds better for bass. The 12L sounds better for guitar unless you don't know your place in the mix. Let's begin by bringing the most bang for the buck with no roadies. That will be one 112 guitar cab stacked on top of each 115 bass cab. This means only 4 guitars cabs on stage and only that amount if you have a keyboard player also. Let's go with two 15 inch powered monitors used as mains in a small venue. Using house sound calls for moving everything rearward on the stage and to each side of the drummer. Most house sound has monitors so you may not need yours. I'f you making a lot of money, do what you wanna do. Not making a lot of money do what you gotta do.
Takes ages to break-in these speakers. Eminence probably altered the voicing to fit the guitar spectrum properly, instead of the EV being a PA speaker used as guitar speaker.
to my ears there is big gap tonaly same as between v30 and greenback...if you will tweak EVM 12l a bit you put EM out of race...anyway good demo and also riffing 👍
Insanity Plague speaker sensitivity plays a larger role in volumes than resistance will. Also, frequency response and a pronounced midrange will give a perceivable 'louder' sound since guitar is a mid range instrument.
Insanity Plague I want a 16 Ohm speaker, so that I can have a pair wired in parallel. That way the cab will be an 8 Ohm load for my Mesa Boogie Mark V head.
I just explained I want to run a pair of speakers in Parallel. That means I want 2 speakers wired in Parallel which means the cabinet would have an 8 Ohm load to match the Output Transformer on the Mark V.
Where do you feel that the comparison is ‘lacking’? There was clean, crunch and high gain playing in addition to an ”in the mix” A-B to demonstrate tonal differences without making the video unnecessarily longer than needed.
@@jbognap not to be “that guy” but I have a band that plays clean only, and speakers are such a tiny part of a clean tone unless you play in a 1x12 high power combo and need that headroom. I know clean to es are affected too but heavily distorted tones are where it’s at, that’s where you really see how a speaker truly reacts when pushed hard. Just my opinion of course!
This is sad. If you have ever had an EVM 12L you know its strength and weaknesses.for a weekend warrior. They can't realistically be played at any bedroom volume. Why does everyone prefer Celestion? Tone. The weight of EVM 12L speakers? Roadie weight. You don't want to carry around a solitary one of those things around. 4 in a cab? Fuck that. You can substitute one of those in a 1x12 cab for a 4x12 cab as they are 100W RMS and your 100W amp won't know the difference. They are great bass speakers and are really full range speakers meant for a PA system. Sure, they breathe fire but, I compare them to a Gauss speaker in the fact they are basically overkill for most players. Eminence is more comparable to Celestion than EV.
When looking at the specifications for both of these speakers, they are very close as far as power, weight and SPL. They also both have rebuildable cones and coils, which most guitar speakers are not capable of. I gigged regularly with a full quad of EVM12Ls in this OS Mesa cabinet as well as the EM12 and EVM12Ls in an X-Pattern in said cabinet and I feel these speakers were definitely NOT overkill. They had the sound and the durability that I was looking for at the time. Ideally, the best use case for them though for most guitarists would be a Mojotone 2x12 Twin Canyon cabinet. I feel like that combo would probably sound better than most Celestion equipped 4x12 cabinets.
I use to own a pair of EVM 12L, but they sounded too trebly for my taste. Been using Eminence EM12s and Altec 417s. Much bigger, warmer tone. Cuts through any live band situation.
The more you dig into speaker comparisons, the more you realize how much the speaker effects the voice of the guitar and amp.
One of the most important and often overlooked parts of the guitar rig. Its also amazing how different the same model of speakers can sound; even ones that were made the same day/week on a production line.
At first glance I felt it is clear: Electro Voice wins. When played together with drums I was convinced the eminence is better as it sits better in the mix ...
Dude!!! This surprised me a lot! I been using EV12Ls since the late 90s for metal. So I'm familiar with the EV12L. I have to say that the EV12L sounds "nasaly" and not nearly as clear in a mix. The Eminence EM12 sounds so much better alone and in a mix. It just sounds like a superior speaker for $100 less!
Im contemplating a set of EM12s for that VHT cabinet I bought from you a few years ago actually lol
@@rugbyguitargod the go would be the X pattern as you did blend. These guys compared EV 12L to a Thickboy clone which sounded very dull imo. ruclips.net/video/nLf2f8HVX-0/видео.html
I was sold on the Electro-Voice EVM12L until I heard the demo at 4:50 and there was a weird buzz tone. The Eminence EM12 shined there. On the earlier clean and distorted demos the Eminence sounded nasally ... mid rangy.
I don't hear that whooshy buzz you are referring to in the samples outside of the mix, nor do I hear it in other videos demonstrating the EVM12L Classic. There's something in the mixed sample that has a weird EQ setting that needs to be tamed down. It sounds like a high mid boosted too much on a very narrow band, and the frequency is oscillating I think around the 2k range.
It's funny...I liked both of them clean and when they were distorted and isolated my immediate reaction was the EV was a lot better but then in a band mix the Eminence speakers sounded WAY better to me...and ultimately THAT's what I'm looking for...my guitar tones to work better in a full band mix.
Anyway, pretty much all of my tube amps have lower wattage Celestions or other low watt speakers and I've been looking for something higher powered to use with my AxeFx II XL+/Matrix power amp rig. I prefer to use guitar cabs with the cab sims off on the AxeFx rather than using a full range setup. I've been using a pair of Mesa Lonestar 2x12 cabs with the Celestion C-90's in them and they sound good but if my bass player turns up too much I run the risk of blowing my speakers trying to keep up with him...at 8ohms the amp puts out 320 watts per channel and the Mesa cabs only handle 180 watts.
After listening to a ton of clips I decided to mix an Eminence Legend EM12 and an Eminence Tonker in each cab (for 350 watts total per cab).
They should be here in about a week.
What were your thoughts after having tried them out?
I went with EM12 in my 65 Fender Twin Reverb Reissue and it sounds AMAZING!
Big help with this video, really appreciated this
You bet!!
Interesting test. I'm finding the EM12 more 'guitar friendly' in it's frequency response. THE EV seems to have a strange 'artificial' for lack of a better term Midrange.
I like the EM12 better. To me it sounds nice and smooth in the mix while the EV has a weird upper frequency fizz that comes through on my headphones.
Sometimes the 'clone' emulates the PERCEIVED sound of the original, rather then the ACTUAL sound. It's like the EM gives an already mixed and mastered sound of the EV.
Fizz is the perfect descriptor. The EVM sound odd on the high end.
Yes the EVM12L does have a slight Hiss to it at an upper frequency when Overdrive is cranked. It sounds awesome on its own. Though in the full band mix, The EM12N cut's through much better because it's bottom end is much more prominent than the EVM12L.The EVM12L has nice detailed mid-highs. Fortunately I have a 2X12 Cab that might just weigh well over 50 pounds in the near future.
@@zpottsy I've never heard the N model EM12. Is that the one with the stamped basket, not cast aluminum?
Ooop's. I meant EM12, not EM12N. But that being said there is a Neodymium speaker designed by Eminence to be exactly like the EM12. It is the legend series EM12N. The N of course stands for neodymium. Neodymium magnets are far more powerful than Alnico, or Ceramic magnets.There are 2 main reasons Neodymium is the way of the future for me, and a lot of others. 1 the EM12 weighs 16.3 lbs. The EM12N only weighs 6.6lbs. That's a lot of weight reduction. Especially for a 4x12 cab. Secondly I feel the neodymium magnets out perform the ceramic magnets as for the Tightness of the sound. I know it might sound crazy that someone took a magnet that is most generally used to keep a refrigerator door closed, and put it in a speaker, but neodymium works awesome for tightening up the speaker response. I myself have a new less than 300 bones Harley Benton 2x12 vertical cab with V30's in it. I'm going to replace them with the eminence EM12N (60hz-4.2khz), and a new model from celestion NEO Copperback (70hz-55khz). Both of those speakers Match perfectly at 100db each, and I'm certain that the strength's vs the weaknesses of each speaker, the cab would sound awesome. That being said. Have you ever heard of Neodymium Guitar Pickups?If you haven't Try looking into an *Entwistle HDN* Pickup. You can get them for less than 30 bones all day long, and i'll put them up against any SD custom shop pickup (that I own) and they will hold there own for tightness. I'm rambling. Thanks for the comparison video. Great job doing it. Excellent Riffing as to show what we really need to hear, as opposed to shredding ability's. I'm pretty much a Riffing Mad man myself. Check this puppy out. ruclips.net/video/ylhgEmnCvYg/видео.html
Woah I thought the EM12 sounded weird and hollow on the solo guitar demos but the mix really shows that it's a far better speaker for heavy music.
The entire Cannibal Corpse album 'Evisceration Plague' was recorded with Triple Rectifiers thru EVM12 loaded Mesa cabs
@@rugbyguitargodI've grown to like mesa's cabs more than their amps, especially the older ones with ev's or c-90s
God, the lows in the EV are profound.
the ev when played it alone. The eminence when played in a band mix.
Great demo man!
The EM definitely sounded more "upfront" compared to EVM (for lack of better word) which the latter sounds like it spreads out the entire upper midrange and top end instead of concentrating it in certain areas from 2 to 4kHz.
Totally different from each other. It would just come down to which you prefer.
They sound very similar to me… EM12 sounds like a muffled EVM12l but easier on the ears which i like
Nice demo/comparison. My ears like the Eminence EM12 better.
Great job!
Thanks!!
A mix of the two tho
In my opinion, I prefer the EM12. I find that the EVM 12L has a treble spike that I find ear piercing.
In real life or listening to this video?
Is the EV more broken-in than the Eminence?
Yea, by quite a bit actually. I had gigged and rehearsed quite a bit with the EVs in the cabinet for about 6-8 months with my death metal band beforehand, so i'd wager they'd been broken in properly.
The other thing about 12L is the older the better. At least that's what they convinced me of. Mine is in a Boogie S O B made in 85. Plain silver magnet plate small writing along the side.
That is pretty well consistent with pretty much any guitar speaker. However, both of these speakers were fairly new, which is a much more objective comparison versus comparing an older, broken-in EVM12L against a practically brand new speaker (which I also had on hand at the time)
@@rugbyguitargod I got most that info from J Segeborn vid comparing various E V 12L speakers. Great video. "Let's go"!
EM12 sounds tighter IMO
IRL I prefered the EM12. I've tried both in my Mesa cabs. The EM12 worked better with the band.
If my choice was based on this video I would have flipped a coin if the price was equal.
in a mix contest i prefer the eminence, less shrill less high peak disturbing frequency.
The EV clips in the mix have a weird hiss.
What is that noise coming from the EV?
The 200 watt Eminence EM12 does not color the sound at all, so what you hear is the true natural sound of the amp.
All speakers color the sound of the amp to which they are connected. The true natural sound of an amp is fizzy noise until it is connected to a speaker.
@rugbyguitargod sorry, but I disagree.
@@willieguitars that’s all fine & well, but it doesn’t make my statement any less true.
3:16 start
Goes on and..
Crunch
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Thanks man! This was my first time doing a ‘proper’ demo on RUclips and might have overdone the explanation lol
Does the EVM12L have a lot of mid-range or is it minimal? How is the top end of the EVM? IS the EVM more bottom end?
Weird I liked the ev with low gain and the em with the higher gain.
I know the video is old, but man that EVM12L sounds like a bucket of hornets. I like the clarity more of the EM12. It just seemed more rounded. But still I don't think either is what I am looking for in my cabinet. Maybe? Do you have a video of the EM12 in comparison to a Vintage 30, and used together? I'm looking to mix with my V30 in a 2X12 and maybe the EM might go well with it.
I wouldn't recommend mixing either of these with a V30, since they're so drastically different sounding tonally. On top of that, with the Vintage 30 rated at 60 watts and the EM12/EVM12 rated at 200 watts, the V30 will definitely reach breakup well before an EM12/EVM12. I'd recommend the EM12/EVM12L if you have a higher-wattage amp that needs some high-mid focus and is capable of pushing them to move air. The EM12/EVM12Ls were a perfect match for my Mesa Tremoverb; especially at gigging volumes.
Also, if you're going to run the EM12/EVM12L in a 2x12, you either need a LOT of cabinet volume or a Theile-ported 2x12. I'd recommend a Mojotone Twin Canyon 2x12, since they're pretty much the biggest 2x12 cabinet you can get and you can get them unloaded for around $350
@@rugbyguitargod Ok, I was not thinking about that with that speaker being 200 watts. Thanks, Ill check into it. I was just checking out a video and seen a Cream back H I believe was about 75 watts? Sounded really nice with the Vintage 30 in a 2x12. I have a really small place I live in right now and I downsized from 4X12 a few years back. I got this Marshal 2X12 that has a couple Seventy 80's in it and they're ok. But I want something different for sound. So I bought 1 V30 for now on its way. Ill mix those for now with it, but its always the chase of tone. Thanks!
@@DreidMusicalX I'll tell you a speaker that pairs really well with a Celestion Seventy-80 and that's a Jensen MOD 12-70. I ran a pair of the Seventy-80s and a pair of the 12-70s in an X pattern of a Blackstar 4x12 cabinet and was super balanced and full sounding. The Jensens are also easy to come by for next to nothing price-wise. I have an older shootout video where I did a super quick demo of a few different speakers/cabinets (some had V30s) where you can really hear the difference.
@@DreidMusicalX here's the video I was referencing. EVM12L cab, vs V30 cab vs the Seventy-80/12-70 cab
ruclips.net/video/nLWnB4-yz3A/видео.html
EVM L Has serious Composure Tone when you started to chug with some distortion, the sound was Night , and Day/ I prefer the Electro Voice. Thanks
could you elaborate on this 'Composure Tone'? I have been playing guitar for almost 30 years and have never heard this term.
Hello there.. is it hard to install these speakers? Because they are spring loaded
What is the wire connection type called on tue Eminence?
Not even close. How can manufacturers continually do this... make a speaker "based on" or as a "competitor to" another famous brand that sounds nothing like the original???
To be fair, Eminence never marketed the EM12 as a 'clone' of the EVM12L. It was more like, they took the concept of what an EVM12L is and seasoned it to taste for $150 less.
I have a delta pro 12a which I put in a cabinet that I built. It's an open cabinet with bass reflect tube. I drive it with a class D amp. The amp can easily deliver clean 100W RMS. Now I connect my line 6 pod go to the input of the amp and the sound is terrible. It's screaming and unpleasant. If I disable the cabinet emulation of the pod go it gets better but definitely not good.
If I connect my bass guitar it sound great but 6 strings electric guitar sounds bad. Any idea what could be wrong here?
Pod is definitely wrong here ;) you speaker is killer so that is not the culprit here : if you have an effect loop in your amp definitely try plug your pod here and disable speaker simulation. If you're still not happy from there, throw your pod or resell it and buy a better alternative, because it is long time outdated. A sansamp GT2 would be much, much, MUCH better and still sound good with your bass. Or a modern, and I insist modern multi effect might do the trick and it'd be easier to find and buy, plus you would benefit from different available effects, but remember it would be better to still plug it in your effets loop (if you have one) and disable the speaker simulation.
there is a problem with the setup... the non powered speakers in the cabinet will act as passive radiators and present a load to the powered speakers.....
Erick Emerald I took that into consideration. Inversely, active speakers can have the same effect. For the sake of speaker isolation combined with the lower volume and cab size, I don't feel like there's a real noticeable tonal coloring of the unpowered speakers.
I'm a bass player and the EM12 sounds better for bass. The 12L sounds better for guitar unless you don't know your place in the mix. Let's begin by bringing the most bang for the buck with no roadies. That will be one 112 guitar cab stacked on top of each 115 bass cab. This means only 4 guitars cabs on stage and only that amount if you have a keyboard player also. Let's go with two 15 inch powered monitors used as mains in a small venue. Using house sound calls for moving everything rearward on the stage and to each side of the drummer. Most house sound has monitors so you may not need yours. I'f you making a lot of money, do what you wanna do. Not making a lot of money do what you gotta do.
That riff is addictive. Eminence. Hands down.
Thank you!! Which riff were you referring to specifically?
Was the eminence allready broken in?
Takes ages to break-in these speakers. Eminence probably altered the voicing to fit the guitar spectrum properly, instead of the EV being a PA speaker used as guitar speaker.
to my ears there is big gap tonaly same as between v30 and greenback...if you will tweak EVM 12l a bit you put EM out of race...anyway good demo and also riffing 👍
I like classic's sound better
I just wish Eminence would make the EM12 available in 16 Ohm, as well.
Insanity Plague speaker sensitivity plays a larger role in volumes than resistance will. Also, frequency response and a pronounced midrange will give a perceivable 'louder' sound since guitar is a mid range instrument.
Insanity Plague I want a 16 Ohm speaker, so that I can have a pair wired in parallel. That way the cab will be an 8 Ohm load for my Mesa Boogie Mark V head.
I just explained I want to run a pair of speakers in Parallel. That means I want 2 speakers wired in Parallel which means the cabinet would have an 8 Ohm load to match the Output Transformer on the Mark V.
Insanity Plague Two 8 Ohm speakers wired in series would be 16 Ohms, not 4 Ohms.
Ev12
I guess if you play metal, this was a good demo. Otherwise it's a little lacking. Actually, a lot lacking.
Where do you feel that the comparison is ‘lacking’? There was clean, crunch and high gain playing in addition to an ”in the mix” A-B to demonstrate tonal differences without making the video unnecessarily longer than needed.
@@rugbyguitargod For me, it would've been cool to hear clean in the mix.
@@jbognap not to be “that guy” but I have a band that plays clean only, and speakers are such a tiny part of a clean tone unless you play in a 1x12 high power combo and need that headroom. I know clean to es are affected too but heavily distorted tones are where it’s at, that’s where you really see how a speaker truly reacts when pushed hard. Just my opinion of course!
EV 12L easily wins.
This is sad. If you have ever had an EVM 12L you know its strength and weaknesses.for a weekend warrior. They can't realistically be played at any bedroom volume. Why does everyone prefer Celestion? Tone.
The weight of EVM 12L speakers? Roadie weight. You don't want to carry around a solitary one of those things around. 4 in a cab? Fuck that.
You can substitute one of those in a 1x12 cab for a 4x12 cab as they are 100W RMS and your 100W amp won't know the difference.
They are great bass speakers and are really full range speakers meant for a PA system.
Sure, they breathe fire but, I compare them to a Gauss speaker in the fact they are basically overkill for most players.
Eminence is more comparable to Celestion than EV.
When looking at the specifications for both of these speakers, they are very close as far as power, weight and SPL. They also both have rebuildable cones and coils, which most guitar speakers are not capable of. I gigged regularly with a full quad of EVM12Ls in this OS Mesa cabinet as well as the EM12 and EVM12Ls in an X-Pattern in said cabinet and I feel these speakers were definitely NOT overkill. They had the sound and the durability that I was looking for at the time. Ideally, the best use case for them though for most guitarists would be a Mojotone 2x12 Twin Canyon cabinet. I feel like that combo would probably sound better than most Celestion equipped 4x12 cabinets.
Bruh,,, only Brits chit chat this much before a demo.
Bruh... change the channel then? 🤷🏼♂️
The EVM12L is realy a piece of shit. The Eminence isn't as bad, but so many interesting speaker in their line instead f the crappy EVM12L.
Crappy speakers 😂 to each their own
I use to own a pair of EVM 12L, but they sounded too trebly for my taste. Been using Eminence EM12s and Altec 417s. Much bigger, warmer tone. Cuts through any live band situation.