EVM 12L / G12H shoot out with Marshall JMP
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Marshall and the greenback is a classic combination but in this video we wanted to see how a vintage Marshall would cope with an OEM EVM12L speaker.
The idea was that the 12L is a high powered clean sounding speaker where as the greenback (in this case a H heritage 55Hz) is a reproduction of a 50 year old low powered speaker with early breakup.
In this video we used a closed back Fatbaby 1x12.
As always we love to hear what you think, or if there is any thing that you are keen to see.
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0:01 H dirty
1:08 Loads of talking
6:47 Short changes
7:46 Clean H
8:47 Clean EV
9:47 H drive
10:32 EV drive
11:22 EV dirty
"Loads of talking"
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In all comparisons here, I prefer the EV. Until I have to carry it. :)
EVM12L is just so clean across the whole frequency range. Its the exact sound I'm after.
Great demo. Just goes to show how important speaker selection really is.
EVm12L is my all time go to, it gives me the tone I am looking for every time no matter the cab or amp.
Yeah, it is one of those speakers that when it does the job you want it to do then there isn't really anything else quite like it. Thanks for watching.
I have an evm15L in my Mesa and I’m thinking of throwing the evm12l into my twin
Great sounds as always. Also preferred the Greenback Had a bit more in the lower end. That Marshall JMP is a great amp, prefer that to your Vintage Modern.
Thanks Patrick. I do really love Joe's VM but its JMP all the way for me. I recon we have about thirty test amps here but m green JMP is the one amp I would choose... just so easy to use and nails what I want to do.
EV kills it, and it’s not even close. That killer top end.
Very helpful video, I took a leap and bought an EVM12L after watching it. Glad I did. Thanks!
both are great friends thank you. I have an original EV from the 80's and well it is diverse and crushing loud.
Yeah, both great speakers. Thanks for watching, I'm glad you enjoyed it.
That greenback sound is iconic but man open isn't even the word for that EV practically endless sound I loved it
Glad you like it. I thought it would be a fun test. These EV's have such a cool sound I think they can be worked in to any rig and fit in. Shame they are heavy as hell though.
@@ZillaCabs yeah proper workout lugging one around lmao
Daaaaaaaaymn! Love the EV! I’ve only ever seen/used EV in PA rigs... 🤯 sounds sick! I honestly don’t think enough guitarists understand how important the loud speaker and cab is in shaping tone... This channel is so good! I have 2 2x12 Fatboys that sound different in tone and then plugging different amps in the combinations becomes endless 🤪... Wicked videos guys!!! ❤️
Thanks Daniel. I think people are slowly realising the last thing between the chain and your ear is the speaker (well I guess it is actually the grill cloth but lets forget that for now) and how important a factor it is. You can easily make a rig sound bad or much better just by picking an unsuitable or suitable speaker, and cab for it to go in. Thanks again for the input and kind words.... and yeah the EVM12L rules.
Yup! I get so fed up with people sending me links to famous guitar performances and saying stuff like, "Man those PAFs were magic!"
The PAFs having almost nothing to do with it..
I might be wrong, but I do believe that Zilla cabs understands the importance of speakers and cabs, but they may correct me if I'm wrong ;)
great test, the H Heritage is my favorite Celestion speaker. Now I basically use EVM12L in my cabs. I used to have 2x 4x12 loaded with them. tend to get loud hehehe. I hope you get to test a 4x12 with EV some day.
June 18th: Paul McCartney's birthday. I've had Black Shadows in my Mesa Boogie 4x12 cabs. FANTASTIC!!! Giant sound!
Black label isn't exactly "a" speaker, but rather mesa's name of "their" speaker : you have the Electro Voice's black shadow, the Celestion C90, you have also the lower(50 watts) wattage Celestion, that you can find in the Studio 22+, named VS-12, and you have the 10 inches Black shadow that you can find on the Subway blues, and if I'm not mistaken you even got bass Black Shadow speakers. Which one do you have ?
I liked the EV’s cleans better, but in the dirty section it made that Marshall sound more like a mess. The Celestion just sounded more right there
I quite like the EV with a crunch but I know what you mean, the greenback did sound tighter.
Celestion has a bit more body and punch. EV would probably be the better of the two if it were a Fender amp, but for a Marshall, Celestion is still king of the hill.
The EV sounds really good! Would be awesome to see an EV12L vs G12K100 vid.
That sounds like a good idea! Thanks for watching.
I really love all the speaker comparisons you guys do but may i make a suggestion? In order to really hear the difference maybe play the exact same riff every time so clean riff (same for both), dirty riff (same for both) and heavy riff (same for both).
Thanks Scott, hands up, the reason we did it this way is we had a looper pedal with a single track.. we do have a reamp box which we used to use a lot for this kind of stuff. The trouble is in these videos there are two ways of doing them..... quick changes between the speakers playing the same riff.. this allows you to A/B the two speakers a hear the different qualities of either, but I feel this can sometimes be a bit sterile and a bit of the vibe is lost. The other way is to jam a little on a speaker, this does make it harder to do direct comparisons but I feel it gives a little of something else. Does that make sense? Thanks for tuning in by the way.
Zilla Cabs totally, keep up the good work. I have the G12 H Anniversary in my evh cab, do u think it makes sense to get the evh speakers to replace them?
Great tones! I've always been an EV guy, and preferred it here as well (although those Greenbacks sounded beautiful). It'd be really cool to hear that EV Black Shadow compared to the 12L Classic, especially with one of your Mesa amps since Boogie branded speakers are voiced slightly differently from the standard models. MC90 vs CL80 would also be cool, for that matter. I recently uploaded an EV shootout on my channel if anyone is interested. Keep the great content coming! Cheers :)
Yeah we should do that. We have a bunch of Mesa speakers here so that shouldn't be too hard to do. Thanks for the suggestion!
Though I only own high wattage EV style speakers, I always prefer the more crispy, saturated sound of Celestions.
Plus the 1kHz slight peak of the EV is very much audible on this here video.
That CU22 sounds insanely good clean thru the Celestion wow!
Thanks mate, its a cool guitar.
The EVs sound great by themselves, but in a mix most of the players I like use a Celestion speaker of a specific type. Personally I prefer the higher 85 watt Celestion s. I finder them more dynamic and articulate. The EVs sold really clear and articulate so I would really have to play them on my amps which are all load with Celestion. I have only played the Jenson , Eminence and to he ev black widow in Mesa boogie mark IV cab which I am not crazy about. Those ev sounded great but against 25 watt Celestion I don't know if the comparison really works. I get more clarity from higher wattage Celestion speakers in the combos I play. I am not a big Marshall guy although I love the super lead and super bass, but I prefer Park, Surh and Fender High Power Twins, and the Fender Bass Breaker although I have had maintenance issues with them I love the 3 gain stage and think they are easy to get a great tone out of. Marshall really need to be cranked ans have the high frequency controlled or it can get painful. If dialed in correctly with a few mods I love vintage marshall but JCMs are too much for me. They are hard to get a pleasant tone by just plugging into and playing unless you happen to really dial it in and make sure the highs are round and not strident. They are great in a mix but I never thought a barebones marshall got an easy to dial in tone.
Great demo as always, outstanding speakers! I love heritage greenbacks, but the evm really surprised me with its detailed, crisp tone even at high gain, I understand why you preferred it there. Wonder how they would sound together though...
Thanks as always Alan. I think crisp is a perfect work for the 12L. That is why I wanted to do this video...... crisp isn't normally what you'd go for with these amps but I think it brings a nice new dimensions to the sound in this situation.
Damn! The Celestion sounds muffled when put side by side with the EV. Wow.
Ev’s have such clarity and punch! The only setting for me that was a toss up, was the drive. The H really shines more old school tone with that much gain. Again, the EV a had more punch and clarity. If I did metal, EV would win every category.
It is a really cool speaker and if that is what you go for there really isn't that much else that will get close. Thanks for watching.
the celestion has more punch in that video
Id love to see a video where you have a 12L and a Celestion mixed in a 2x12 or 4x12 cab!!!
yeah that would be cool, great suggestion!
very nice
i have one in a mesa thiele cab, and two in the sealed bottom portion of my ancient grill mesh mesa 4x12 with the open back top portion. love the 80!s
haha those were cool cabs..... you don't need to go down the gym when you gig those cabs though ;)
I’ve never liked EV’s. I like Celestions and have a 4x12” cab with very early Vintage 30’s plus 4 original G12M’s not currently in use but in the near future I plan to. I bought 3 EVM12L’s in the 80’s to experiment with to see why people like them and to see if I could. Even though both speakers in this demo sounded great and the EV especially had a certain clarity that was unique and breathtaking, I’ve never been able to get that quality out of mine in the real world with the amps I have to my ear. They’re always way to efficient and harsh sounding (for me even for bass) with of course none of the type mids Celestions have. However, I have found them to be good with a distorted neck humbucker because it cleans up the dirtiness well.
What I have found as an alternative to EVM12L’s is the JBL G125 which is the best of both worlds in handling capacity and crunch tone, I have a number of them. They’re 200 watts high power speaker that has a Celestion style overdrive characteristic with a nice rich full tone and midrange that’s especially good with Fender style amps-plus with my Mark lll Simul-Class Boogie-it’s the best sound combination the Boogie can have to my ears. I know so many studio players and other people like them they’re just not for me but I do admit they have some good moments.
Prefer the Celestion for the Marshall on the gain sounds, but again that's probably down to our favourite bands recordings were done this way so it's what were used to !
It's also really hard not to like a greenback with a Marshall, they just work don't they.
I appreciate the comparison. What do think about pairing the two for a high gain set up?
Thanks. Tonally I think it could work but you may have to keep an eye out for a drop in volume between the two.
This was a really interesting demo. Thanks!
I think the EV sounds better when you play clean but the Celestion sounds better with gain. I don't know if that high-mid fizziness of the EV blends better in a live band context and cuts through. Zakk Wylde has a huge sound playing through them, though! The weight is a big turn off as is the price, you're right!
EVM is the way to go. EV is the best imo. Great video.
Thanks for watching. For me they are both great speakers, but there's a definite use for each, with a surprising overlap to say what these two do. I'd hate to be without an EV that's for sure.
@@ZillaCabs yeah, I be lost without my EVs.
To my ear, the EV sounded more like singing in the shower - big, resonant. The Celestion sounds more muted.
EV loaded Marshall cabs weren’t uncommon in the 80’s, Zack Wilde used them with a 2203 and Boss SD-1, that was his sound. Steve Harris has EV loaded Marshall 4x12’s for his bass rig. They weigh a lot 🙂
Celestion all the way for me.
Not fizzy, has more girth and is darker (good thing with a bright amp like an old Marahall)
Yeah, me too but it is kind of an unfair test as the greenback and vintage Marshall are just a classic combination.
@@ZillaCabs greenbacks have always their place. Nothing against them. I still prefer them over the v30s in any situation with any amp.
I'm sort of more impressed with the cab than the speakers, lol. I'm also pretty sure that cab was designed for a Celestion 12H or V30, and not around the EV. The cab is awesome. The EV moves too much air for that wonderful cab. Thanks, I learned something today. Many of the sounds you were playing were built around the greenback. That rock was around late 70's, the EVM12L was released 1983. You did cover some of the guitar music the EV was designed for, but it was typically played out of semi or open backed cabs I'm thinkin. All in all I'm just a know it all, lol. Thanks for the demo. I love the cab, lol so you did your job!
Why does the EVM12L only come in eight ohms? Warehouse's knockoff of it comes in 4, 8, and 16. And it's thirty-nine bucks less.
Amazing guys! Ever tried jensen? Like c12k for instance
We need to get some Jensens in for sure. We don't stock them but sometimes have customers send them in. As soon as they next do I will get them filmed for sure.
@@ZillaCabs Hahah good to know, I'll be looking forward to that
I have a pair of Jensens identical to the EVM 12L and they are incredible for pedal platforms. I like the sound of both speakers.
what Jensen's? Thanks
Thanks great video how much different in db between the two cabs
Did the EV just play clean and the amps that's a breaking down🤘?
Superb comparison. The chopping between them really shows the difference. G12H sounds like mud. I love bass, and warm tones, but I don't like it when the bass is a pile of slop. Just listen to when that g12h cuts in, when they're switching back and forth. Suddenly the bass forms a sloppy noise-floor, that other sounds have to climb over the top of. If it was me, i'd EQ the treble down a little, and the bass up on the EV, and I'm sure it'd deliver a warmer tone, but without that awful blurred bottom end.
Did you mention what the cab was?!? I assume the 1x12 as it has the mic on, but is it open back, closed back, ported, thiele ?? Which of your models was it?
Sorry we should have mentioned this in the video. It is our closed back Fatbaby 1x12. It is an oversized 1x12 based around our Fatboy 2x12.
Purchased a vintage EVM 12L (a month ago), and it seems to be lost in shipping!!!! If it doesn’t arrive, eBay or the shipping company are going to answer.
oh man that sucks. Where did you get it from?
@@ZillaCabs The EVM 12L arrived, is by far the best sounding speaker I’ve used a 1x12 cab. Heavy AF and was expensive yeah.
Love these kinds of demos Awesome Subb'd So thinking about doing a 2/12 so any tips as far as mixing spks is great for me
Thanks Paul that is great. What sort of music do you play?
Oh and I don't always see comments on here, if you have any specific questions please feel free to email us.
@@ZillaCabs Your welcome I'm more into blues rock Southern boogie and blues Love the 70s rock tones before people started using a bunch of pedals I do use a few though A Diaz TX Ranger into a Lovepedal CoT and a little delay Contemplating on getting a Dirty Shirley 40 Love the big hairy cleans a Marshall gives you and "of course" the crunch Very much love the Angus and Malcom tones Thanks guys
What i find right in front of these speakers is the ev/jbl n just that kind of speaker has some very high highs that can be painful.with the same settings. I do like a mix though.
I know people rave about the EV and their true to source tone, but to me they have a flat and papery sounding tone that they impart on everything. So i do not consider them neutral or precise at all. I will take the 55hz H or the G12 65 any day over the EV's. I just tested a good pair of vintage EV's in a 2x12 cab and i could not get them out sson enough. A 2x12 with G12 65's sounds way more musical, balanced and organic to me.
Wow, you just stated nothing more than your opinion. Thank you for imparting everyone with that. But unfortunately you failed to account for your style, genre, amp source etc etc ....... all of which kinda really matter. The Ev's ARE flatter sounding....... and thats not flat like "dull" sounding, it's the absence of a frequency spike or accentuation at a particular hertz. The thing most people miss when they try to talk about tone is that it is a "stew' of mixed ingredients....... amp, guitar, speakers, pedals, cables, etc etc, and what version of the stew you like is only your personal preference ....... That being said EV 12 M's ARE flatter frequency wise, and that is not opinion, its a fact you can see on a graph. Whether or not that is a good result for your amplifier or your style is another thing altogether. In some of my amps there is NOTHING like an EV speaker, yet other amps i own definitely prefer a celestion style speaker...... my personal fave is the Mojotone BV30-V........ In my Rivera stage IV amp on the other hand, the eminence version of the EV12, is absolutely shunning........ perfect balance IMHO ......
@@loulagro2315 Of course i stated just my opinion, hence i started and ended my statement with 'to me'. I am not imparting anything either because i purposefully state it as an 'opinion'. All good man - to each their own. Still like the EV's with Dumble style amps a lot.
@@amalgamaudioLVAlthough you don't like very much the EV's, I'm using your FNDR BFSR EV12L IR on my presets every day 😂.
G12 65 and G12 80 (classic lead 80s) are soooo underrated. As far as the EV goes, i always mic place the mic at the center of the dust cap at a 45 degree angle. Best results ive gotten thus far!!
Just goes to show how significant the speaker is in shaping the tone we consider "correct". And when you hear something honest like an EVM, people realize how guitars ACTUALLY sound, and blame it on the speaker lmao.
Believe it or not steve harris of iron maiden uses 4 x cabs evm12l for his bass sound.
I didn't know that, that's great........ obviously he has other people to pick the damn things up haha
H sounded muffled in comparison, but I'm sure I'd love it by itself.
GOdd speakers both, but I think you should compare them with a WGS Invader, which has been a big surprise, and it's my favourite one now.
Thanks Michael, I'd love to get some WGS speakers in. We have't had a lot of time to get other brands in (we have a few but not as many as I would like). It is something we are working on though for sure.
EV all the way. Its a totally other tone then all the celestions give...
It is very much a tone in its own. Thanks for watching
@@ZillaCabs Have you guys tested the combination EVM 12 L with the alnico cream? Would that be a winner combination?
Compare the EV to other Celestions, The EV sounded amazing for my ears!
Bought a EV speaker today without knowing anything about them. It’s sick
Excellent, that is one impulse buy ;) Glad you are having fun with it.
10:37 🤯
He is a great player!
@@ZillaCabs He is, and that tone is monstrous.
EVM12L = Gary Moore
Is the Amp a 1987 or a 2204?
This is the 2204, I think from 78
@@ZillaCabs - low Input?????
@@jochenhaug3764 It has the high and low inputs. Joe normally switches between the two, so low for clean and high for dirtier sound.... I just use the high and roll back the volume on the guitar loads.
EV highs are to much for my ears. G12H sounds warm.
I know what you mean, I quite like it but I do know what you are saying, it can be a bit much sometimes.
Zilla Cabs Have you guys tried the (EV Black Label 300 watt) speaker?
@@Locoandchooch That's the 1 I got in my older Boogie
Borrowing from Hifi One thing no one ever thinks about is the effect of speaker On the amp only the notion the speaker itself is creating all the coloration. With a crazy high output impedance of a guitar amp the reactive load of the speaker is modulating the frequency response of the amp too so it’s a two way street.
Is it a ceramic magnet?
EVL 12L are ceramic to hold 200-300 watts. Yet each weighs about 18 lbs.
Fuck! Dude is shredding!!!!!
Sounds too nice. I would have to play perfect and that ain't happening! lol
That's why I got Joe to play in this video and not me ;)
Greenbacks...
They are a great speaker. Thanks for watching.
More than half way in before the comparison happens :(
Skip to the playing.
G12H is my tone. EVM is too harsh and piercing my ear.
The H is definitely smooth. Thanks for watching.
The way you talk about high and low power speakers s bit misleadig. They can tolerate this and that much current before melting and power handling is what the wattage is.
Electro voice all day long
EVM wins. Easily. And.... this was the later 200w version. The original 300w is even better (I have the honour of owning one, in the perfectly matched Mesa Boogie Thiele ported cab).
It's surprising how different eh 12Ls can sound from different eras isn't it. Thanks for watching.
if i was dating one of them i would be cheating on it with the other all to often ..
haha that's quite a way of putting it haha
Guys, WAAAAY too much talking! I want to determine on my own which is the best speaker simply by hearing them! Do a separate video with your personal opinions. When I'm shopping for speakers and need to listen to 50 different sound bytes I want to get to the sound bytes without having to scroll through the video. Just constructive criticism from a retail buyer!
This video cannot be watched. Too many fucking ads
Ev's all day..all I use..no comparison..can't afford em or lift em..boo hoo..get another job
They don't scare me either but you have to admit, four in a 412 is pretty heavy ;)
EV sounds nasally to me.
I don't like it.
Always good to hear from a fellow Zilla. I hear where you are coming from, I think sometimes that can be used in recording but I can see how some players don't like it. It can sound quite different in an open back cab though so if you get the chance to plug one in and have a blast then don't be put off.
EV sounds sterile to me.
I know what you mean it can do. They also vary a lot, they're not super consistent which is why we don't use them all too much in videos.