@@jarrodottinger3 it really sounds like a V30 type of speakers- maybe with better lows and highs? I am considering the Tornado 80, which is an Electric Lighting with a neo magnet so it weighs half as much as the Electric Lightning, but same tone.
Thanks for a great video. I've been used to Greenbacks for a few years but after watching your video I purchased the MOD (35watt version). What a great speaker! For the money (£63 delivered) it's an absolute bargain and on par (but not quite the same) as a Greenback. Cheers!! 🤘
I picked up a blackbird after watching this... slapped it in a single speaker extension cab for my peavey bravo. It might have been the single best sounding upgrade for the money that I've ever bought.
JCH 12/70 (from behringer 412S cabs) are the same exact speaker. I just asked Jensen and they told me it was rebranded as MOD for US markets after the behringer contract was finished
These are some really good speakers. I never knew why I never heard of em before. I was all about eminence... But I think I have to reevaluate my life now
MOD 12(70) & BlackBird 100 are very very interesting and good sounding speakers. The Stealth one sounds nice at the "first sight" but the highs are too "hard", imagine listening something like this with a proper volume (even with some monitors that use neodymium), this is the typical neodymium sound, that can bring tinnitus for everyone and that feeling of a internal ear bleeding.
I've watched these for so many different styles and genres, and it's amazing how Blackbird always sounds stellar, no matter what you're playing through it. It costs twice as much as any other speaker, but it does seem like it has no weaknesses at all, so it might save you money in the long run. It'd be really interesting to mix a dark speaker like a Jet Tornado with a very clear sounding speaker like a P12N to get a finished tone. Or you could just use a Blackbird and already have the perfect mix. Heh.
I didn't like the tornado mixed with a blackbird. In fact I tried all sorts of combinations in a 2x12 with a Blackbird, and in the end, I bought a second blackbird. It was the only thing I felt sounded really good/right with the it. I have a couple single 8 ohm blackbirds, and one 2x12 cab with a pair of 16 ohms in parallel. Overall my favorite speaker, and I've tried a LOT of speakers. They also make a 40W blackbird 12" and it's similarly voiced except not as fat/not as much low end, and costs $195 vs $318 (current prices. I didn't pay that for any of mine.)
@@SuperReverbious How is the blackbird at low volume? I'm looking for a replacement of my V30 to practice at home. V30 sound is fine for me, but it needs a volume >90/95dB.
This is the exact combo I settled on in my 2x12 and its the perfect pairing. Took me a few speaker switches to get to this, but its not going to change! HIghly recommended combo.
I suppose the electric lightning and the nighthawk has not been recorded with the same mike / mike position, as the electric lightning should be way darker than the nighthawk
I'm more prone to think some error has been done by Khole, as the Nighthawk has a smaller voice coil, so it should be brighter. The sound samples on Jensen site are coherent with you as well
At first I really liked the Jensen MOD 12-70, but when you compare it with the others is when you notice a sort of fizzy, staticky harshness it has (at least with that much gain for Modern Metal) that the other speakers seem darker and tend do smooth that harshness out. Still sounds dynamic and probably sounds a lot better with less gain. Or a tubescreamer would probably tighten up the harshness and lower the treble and mids on the amp as well. I’ve been thinking about swapping out the crappy stock 8” speaker in my combo amp at home with a Jensen MOD 10-50 10” speaker because I’ve heard it makes a huge difference for others who have done similar instead of giving up on the amp. I assume the Jensen Mod 12-70 sounds similar to the 10-50 which is why I was curious about this video. Thank you for posting!
So weird how the universe works. I've heard so many good things about many of these speakers, but never heard a peep about the MOD. As it turns out, the MOD really got my attention. I might pick one up throw it into the mix and see how it goes. Crazy cheap too. Won't kill the bank it it turns out to blow in my application.
I've got a little homemade tube amp that my buddy's dad made with two MODs in them Love that fucking thing He put a drive circuit in the amp, so I don't even use any pedals when I'm jamming on that amp, I just plug straight in and jam Sounds amazing
If you haven't yet. Or need more. Buy a behringer BG412S cab (they go for about $125) they come with 4 mod 12/70s.. they are labeled as JHC 12/70 when they were exclusive to behringer and later rebranded as MOD
I bought a Jensen C12 Nighthawk after listening to sound demos on RUclips. I have original 1970's Rola/Cestion Greenbacks. I have always wanted a similar, if not the same sounding, replacement speaker. This is the closest I have got. The Nighthawk doesn't mask or exaggerate any tones. It picks up on all picking and tonal nuances while still having some growl and bite to it. The modern day Celestion Greenbacks sound like a cheap fuzzy, treble-rich speaker. Jensen claimed that over time, the glue that binds with the cone deteriorates, giving it that particular tone. Well, I don't have 50 years time to wait for new Greenbacks to deteriorate. Get a Nighthawk now. It's the closest I found!
Hi Jamie. Nice to know that the nightawk is close to a good vintage greenback. They are not exactly the same technically : The Greenback voice coil is made with Kraft paper whereas the Nighthawk former is made with Fiberglass. this is why oou can reach a good 75 watts with it. The magnet is the equivalent to a G12H (51 oz). Chineese GB are also a bit different than the UK production, more tight and powerfull, less subtil. And the strenght of the magnet go away after time. Cheers.
The P12N sounds the best to my ears. I own a pair of two P12Q speakers and I'm really happy with them. The only difference with the P12Ns and the P12Qs is the sensivity and the output wattage, I think? There are no speakers that can beat alnico ones. I tried many brands and models. The only Celestion speaker that worth the price is the G12-65. The Vintage 30 is the worst Made in China crap I've ever tried!
Hi Paul. Take care about the "Nominal Voice Coil Diameter" and the "Magnet Weight" for P12N/P12Q. The Greenback G12M and the Celestion blue worst a try if you like theses. You can dig also into old Jensen speaker (with paper voice coil vs Kapton today), Altec 417, JBL D120F and give a try to an Eminence (the Legend for example).
👍🇺🇸❤I HATE V30's💩......my 2 fave celestions (G12T-75 & Heritage 30's are decent).........I also love the JBL D120F.......but I do truly love P12Q & P12N........outta the N & Q......if u were only allowed one choice......which would you choose ?????
I replaced Park labeled 10" in my old Marshall G30R CD with a MOD 10 50 and I've got to say this thing cranks much better now with a true 4ohm speaker on it's transistor distortion. Clean sounds nice as well...still breaking it in I suspect it to only get better.
I know im commenting on a pretty old video here but, do we know which Blackbird and Tornado are in this example? (wattage and ohm rating) Ohm load of all of the speakers really. Does make a difference. 16 Ohm speakers tend to be a bit brighter
@@olivierdegeoffroy If you're referring to the sticker on the back of the speaker in each example then you must have some superior vision because i cant read those for shit. Also not everyone goes out of their way to pay attention to such detail when making a video like this so even if i could read them i'd still have wanted to verify. Either way, Thank you for answering my question.
I think they have made first the re-issue, then the modern serie. Try to match existing speakers on the Jensen website regarding the magnet size, basket looks, and any code stamped on it.
I have a pair of Jenson J2 speakers I bought in the mid 90's. I can't seem to find any information on them. Is one of these in this video an equivalent?
the electric lightning is best for gain and metal, the black bird is best for stoner doom sounds and the p12n best for clean and classic rock. (I have the p12n).
I wonder how the Raptor sounds. I was thinking about mixing the Electric Lightning and the Torpedo with a CR120H but I'm curious if I should just use the Electric Lightning.
I'd love a Blackbird but I'm curious about the difference between 8-ohm and 16-ohm. In other speaker like Celestion vintage 30, i hear a difference between impedances. Does Jensen provides the same difference?
There's a video out there where one of the guys from jensen talks about their modern line a lot, he says that 16 ohm speakers just inherently have better dynamics. He didn't get too deep into the science of why, but says it's always going to be true regardless of manufacturer.
If I remember right (and maybe not) the Tornado has the same 1.75" voice coil as the Nighthawk. I'm really digging the punch on these speaker but you can't find them everywhere. My questions are 'What cab were they in or was it I.R.?' and 'Would they be this punchy or would they be boomy in a G-Flex 2X12?'. I suppose another question would be, 'How did you get that punchy sound?'
My dream speaker would have low-end punch like these, straight line mids angled up to the highs and then a soft high-end that rolls off like a Creamback.
In my 20 years of tone experience,I like the electric lighting for my tweed deluxe for modern to classic rock,the blackbird I think suits better with high gain amps,tornado is same as electric lighting but mid scoop,the C12K and Falkon are almost same but falkon bit of less mids and warmer.
Olivier de Geoffroy ,greetings Olivier i have tested a couple,But the one that shines for almost all types of music style with great focus mids,loose bass but controled,very warm,and when overdriven or boosted sounds more natural is The alnico P12Q
Is it me, or are all the recordings done with a room mic, and no mics actually on the speaker itself? Theres no crispness and definition? I dont know what to think.
I think these speakers are highly underrated.
Finally a video where they play heavy shit! Get so tired of all these videos playing country or barely distorted guitar. Awesome video!!
2:00 can't decide lightning vs tornado . thanks for posting this really helps shop for speakers. liked
Tampatec I have an Electric Lightning in a Jet City 1x12 closed back cab, and it sounds amazing at every level of gain.
@@jarrodottinger3 it really sounds like a V30 type of speakers- maybe with better lows and highs? I am considering the Tornado 80, which is an Electric Lighting with a neo magnet so it weighs half as much as the Electric Lightning, but same tone.
@@HamzaJamzaFamzaIt’s nothing like a V30
Thanks for a great video. I've been used to Greenbacks for a few years but after watching your video I purchased the MOD (35watt version). What a great speaker! For the money (£63 delivered) it's an absolute bargain and on par (but not quite the same) as a Greenback. Cheers!! 🤘
Really good demonstration. Great tones.
I bought a Blackbird because of this video.....then I bought a Tornado because of this video ;-)
And how do you like them ? Which is better for hi gain ?
@@przecpany Like them both. I think the Tornado is better for high gain. It seems to have a more focused mid-range.
I picked up a blackbird after watching this... slapped it in a single speaker extension cab for my peavey bravo. It might have been the single best sounding upgrade for the money that I've ever bought.
thank you for the great demo of all these fantastic speakers!
MOD 12-70 is crushing!! C12K close second
JCH 12/70 (from behringer 412S cabs) are the same exact speaker. I just asked Jensen and they told me it was rebranded as MOD for US markets after the behringer contract was finished
i have a 2x12 cab with a Jensen Blackbird and a Celestion G12H30 70th anniversary edition and that combo is awesome!
Personnally, love the first ! Far better than Tornado for me. Tornado is tool loud for me
The Mod 12-70 will be my next purchase
Can't beat them for that price.
Yeah, them and blackbirds
P12N, C12K, Blackbird, Mod 12-70, Electric Lightning for me.
I have the falcons, really good with a marshall takes out a some of the highend.
I liked the P12N best🤘🏼
Of course I like the cheap ones best. The second one was also good to my ears.
thank you very much for your video, through your demonstration today I bought myself a p12n! top !
I hope you will like it ! :)
Maaan these speaker sound amazing!
Mod 12-70 00:07 (mod = “Modern, with a touch of English”)
BlackBird 01:02 (AlNiCo design for modern style)
Electric Lightning 01:57 (rock n’ Roll)
Tornado 02:52 (Neodymium)
Nighthawk 03:46 (first Jensen speaker with a 1.75” voice coil)
Falcon 04:47 (warm tone)
C12K 05:42 (classic ceramic vintage tone)
P12N 06:36 (classic AlNiCo vintage tone)
I like the Tornado, Falcon and C12K, the Nighthawk Is very smooth
These are some really good speakers. I never knew why I never heard of em before. I was all about eminence... But I think I have to reevaluate my life now
The jet series is quite different from traditional Jensens. These electric lightnings rock. I like the alnico blackbirds even more.
MOD 12(70) & BlackBird 100 are very very interesting and good sounding speakers.
The Stealth one sounds nice at the "first sight" but the highs are too "hard", imagine listening something like this with a proper volume (even with some monitors that use neodymium), this is the typical neodymium sound, that can bring tinnitus for everyone and that feeling of a internal ear bleeding.
I bet the mod and falcon would blend nicely
I've watched these for so many different styles and genres, and it's amazing how Blackbird always sounds stellar, no matter what you're playing through it. It costs twice as much as any other speaker, but it does seem like it has no weaknesses at all, so it might save you money in the long run. It'd be really interesting to mix a dark speaker like a Jet Tornado with a very clear sounding speaker like a P12N to get a finished tone. Or you could just use a Blackbird and already have the perfect mix. Heh.
I own a P12N, very good speaker for clean, and fun with distortion. Cheers !
The blackbird is a great speaker indeed. Combines beautiful with a Tornado btw!
I didn't like the tornado mixed with a blackbird. In fact I tried all sorts of combinations in a 2x12 with a Blackbird, and in the end, I bought a second blackbird. It was the only thing I felt sounded really good/right with the it. I have a couple single 8 ohm blackbirds, and one 2x12 cab with a pair of 16 ohms in parallel. Overall my favorite speaker, and I've tried a LOT of speakers. They also make a 40W blackbird 12" and it's similarly voiced except not as fat/not as much low end, and costs $195 vs $318 (current prices. I didn't pay that for any of mine.)
Mod and Tornado.
@@SuperReverbious How is the blackbird at low volume? I'm looking for a replacement of my V30 to practice at home. V30 sound is fine for me, but it needs a volume >90/95dB.
A Tornado + P12N mix should sound killer !
I'm getting a Lightning after listening to this. Talk about motherfucker tone.
Mod 12 and Tornado for me
Quite a variation of tone. All sound good.
What cabinet & material is used?
Schecter Blackjack SLS C-7 (7th string tuned to drop-A), bridge pickup
Amp: Line 6 Spider IV “metal” amp model - red LED (Solid State)
Great comparison.
I suspect the electric lightning+nighthawk combo to be quite awesome in a 4x12 cab
This is the exact combo I settled on in my 2x12 and its the perfect pairing. Took me a few speaker switches to get to this, but its not going to change! HIghly recommended combo.
@@JasonsDigitalStuff What amp do you run with it?
@@tommyravnaas1449 Actually I use either an ENGL Fireball 100 or a KSR Orthos II with this speaker combo. Works excellent for both.
I suppose the electric lightning and the nighthawk has not been recorded with the same mike / mike position, as the electric lightning should be way darker than the nighthawk
Hi. I think it's ISO mic/placement. Why the EL should be way darker ?
@@olivierdegeoffroy ruclips.net/video/cOZZQKIs4H0/видео.html&ab_channel=KohleAudioKult
If everything in your video is made correctly (same conditions) you or Kohle inverted the speakers name then!
I'm more prone to think some error has been done by Khole, as the Nighthawk has a smaller voice coil, so it should be brighter. The sound samples on Jensen site are coherent with you as well
C12K for the budget win!
ty for this video loads of help
You're welcome :)
The Jensen alincos are my favorite
I put two mod 70s in an avatar cab and it's monstrous
Fkn love that riff
At first I really liked the Jensen MOD 12-70, but when you compare it with the others is when you notice a sort of fizzy, staticky harshness it has (at least with that much gain for Modern Metal) that the other speakers seem darker and tend do smooth that harshness out. Still sounds dynamic and probably sounds a lot better with less gain. Or a tubescreamer would probably tighten up the harshness and lower the treble and mids on the amp as well. I’ve been thinking about swapping out the crappy stock 8” speaker in my combo amp at home with a Jensen MOD 10-50 10” speaker because I’ve heard it makes a huge difference for others who have done similar instead of giving up on the amp. I assume the Jensen Mod 12-70 sounds similar to the 10-50 which is why I was curious about this video. Thank you for posting!
C12k and the p12n
What amp, mics and guitar pickups are you using?? It sounds incredible!
These are the samples straight off the Jensen website. Nearly every speaker on there has sound sample for different styles.
So weird how the universe works. I've heard so many good things about many of these speakers, but never heard a peep about the MOD.
As it turns out, the MOD really got my attention. I might pick one up throw it into the mix and see how it goes. Crazy cheap too. Won't kill the bank it it turns out to blow in my application.
I've got a little homemade tube amp that my buddy's dad made with two MODs in them
Love that fucking thing
He put a drive circuit in the amp, so I don't even use any pedals when I'm jamming on that amp, I just plug straight in and jam
Sounds amazing
If you haven't yet. Or need more. Buy a behringer BG412S cab (they go for about $125) they come with 4 mod 12/70s.. they are labeled as JHC 12/70 when they were exclusive to behringer and later rebranded as MOD
I bought a Jensen C12 Nighthawk after listening to sound demos on RUclips. I have original 1970's Rola/Cestion Greenbacks. I have always wanted a similar, if not the same sounding, replacement speaker. This is the closest I have got. The Nighthawk doesn't mask or exaggerate any tones. It picks up on all picking and tonal nuances while still having some growl and bite to it. The modern day Celestion Greenbacks sound like a cheap fuzzy, treble-rich speaker. Jensen claimed that over time, the glue that binds with the cone deteriorates, giving it that particular tone. Well, I don't have 50 years time to wait for new Greenbacks to deteriorate. Get a Nighthawk now. It's the closest I found!
Hi Jamie. Nice to know that the nightawk is close to a good vintage greenback. They are not exactly the same technically : The Greenback voice coil is made with Kraft paper whereas the Nighthawk former is made with Fiberglass. this is why oou can reach a good 75 watts with it. The magnet is the equivalent to a G12H (51 oz). Chineese GB are also a bit different than the UK production, more tight and powerfull, less subtil. And the strenght of the magnet go away after time. Cheers.
I actually found the Jensen Mod 12-50 to have some Greenback like qualities to it! It has a similar break up.
The P12N sounds the best to my ears. I own a pair of two P12Q speakers and I'm really happy with them. The only difference with the P12Ns and the P12Qs is the sensivity and the output wattage, I think? There are no speakers that can beat alnico ones. I tried many brands and models. The only Celestion speaker that worth the price is the G12-65. The Vintage 30 is the worst Made in China crap I've ever tried!
Hi Paul. Take care about the "Nominal Voice Coil Diameter" and the "Magnet Weight" for P12N/P12Q. The Greenback G12M and the Celestion blue worst a try if you like theses. You can dig also into old Jensen speaker (with paper voice coil vs Kapton today), Altec 417, JBL D120F and give a try to an Eminence (the Legend for example).
👍🇺🇸❤I HATE V30's💩......my 2 fave celestions (G12T-75 & Heritage 30's are decent).........I also love the JBL D120F.......but I do truly love P12Q & P12N........outta the N & Q......if u were only allowed one choice......which would you choose ?????
I replaced Park labeled 10" in my old Marshall G30R CD with a MOD 10 50 and I've got to say this thing cranks much better now with a true 4ohm speaker on it's transistor distortion. Clean sounds nice as well...still breaking it in I suspect it to only get better.
Nice playing
Awesome!!
I know im commenting on a pretty old video here but, do we know which Blackbird and Tornado are in this example? (wattage and ohm rating)
Ohm load of all of the speakers really. Does make a difference. 16 Ohm speakers tend to be a bit brighter
As you can see in the picture, they are all 8 ohm speakers.
@@olivierdegeoffroy If you're referring to the sticker on the back of the speaker in each example then you must have some superior vision because i cant read those for shit. Also not everyone goes out of their way to pay attention to such detail when making a video like this so even if i could read them i'd still have wanted to verify. Either way, Thank you for answering my question.
I think they have made first the re-issue, then the modern serie. Try to match existing speakers on the Jensen website regarding the magnet size, basket looks, and any code stamped on it.
I have a pair of Jenson J2 speakers I bought in the mid 90's. I can't seem to find any information on them. Is one of these in this video an equivalent?
the electric lightning is best for gain and metal, the black bird is best for stoner doom sounds and the p12n best for clean and classic rock. (I have the p12n).
P12N's sound classic as hell. Really like them. Maybe better then v30's..... shhh.
The Electric Lightning would be a good pair with the Falcon for Metal?
I'd love to try a blackbird and electric lightning or mod together. I've got a blackbird and it's delicious with a greenback.
I wonder how the Raptor sounds.
I was thinking about mixing the Electric Lightning and the Torpedo with a CR120H but I'm curious if I should just use the Electric Lightning.
Animal Jensen P12N ;)
👍🇺🇸❤P12N 👍BLACKBIRD👍FALCON👍C12K
I'd love a Blackbird but I'm curious about the difference between 8-ohm and 16-ohm. In other speaker like Celestion vintage 30, i hear a difference between impedances. Does Jensen provides the same difference?
Alejandro Diaz Its very likely that theres a difference in sensitivity and sound characteristic a small one albeit.
There's a video out there where one of the guys from jensen talks about their modern line a lot, he says that 16 ohm speakers just inherently have better dynamics. He didn't get too deep into the science of why, but says it's always going to be true regardless of manufacturer.
If I remember right (and maybe not) the Tornado has the same 1.75" voice coil as the Nighthawk.
I'm really digging the punch on these speaker but you can't find them everywhere.
My questions are 'What cab were they in or was it I.R.?' and 'Would they be this punchy or would they be boomy in a G-Flex 2X12?'.
I suppose another question would be, 'How did you get that punchy sound?'
My dream speaker would have low-end punch like these, straight line mids angled up to the highs and then a soft high-end that rolls off like a Creamback.
I'm liking the Nighthawk. I would mix it with the Electric Lightning.
Thinking the exact same bro
In my 20 years of tone experience,I like the electric lighting for my tweed deluxe for modern to classic rock,the blackbird I think suits better with high gain amps,tornado is same as electric lighting but mid scoop,the C12K and Falkon are almost same but falkon bit of less mids and warmer.
Hi Alfredo. Such a great experience with Jensen. Did you already tried/compared the AlNiCo version ?
Olivier de Geoffroy ,greetings Olivier i have tested a couple,But the one that shines for almost all types of music style with great focus mids,loose bass but controled,very warm,and when overdriven or boosted sounds more natural is The alnico P12Q
thats heavy riffin!
C12q is what deluxe reverb used. Nothing like c12n.
The Electric ⚡️ Lightning speakers sound great with gain but how do they sound clean?
Like the cabinet is in a closet.
i heard the blackbird in a mesa boogie mark amp. sounded amazing
A 2x12 cabinet with Falcon/Electric Lightning ou Falcon/C12N would be a good one for Metal?
hello, which of these would you indicate to add to a Marshall header?
Tornado + P12N = Blackbird
The question is : in which cab is that recorded ? :)
I never want to hear this track played again.
Weeks later do you find yourself playing it on guitar?
love my elctric lightnings, what's your signal chain?
Which would you match in a 4x12?
And the winner is p12n!
What is this amplifier they are using?
Harley Benton.
What ohms are they?
Hi EOF, 8 ohm.
@@olivierdegeoffroy Thanks..Ordered myself 2 falcons and 2 c12k.
p12n is best !
Smooth and distinguished!!loved it
MOD
Oh dear 👎🏻
Don’t you have something that is more ... musical ?!
I think this whole review sucked not one damn bit of it was clean
Is it me, or are all the recordings done with a room mic, and no mics actually on the speaker itself? Theres no crispness and definition? I dont know what to think.