That looked like a lot of work in order for your listeners to make up their mind...thanks for doing it! I'm going to have to take another run through to make up my mind!
I know this is older in terms of RUclips uploads but this about as straight forward as it gets in terms of an education of the speaker frequently response in the "real world" - Much respect and appreciation for the time and effort on this - Thanks Brother
The EVM12L, G12-65, and ‘88 Vintage 30 are all standouts to my ear. With my surprise favorite being the G12-65. Some that I didn’t like at all with just the close mic sounded much better to me when mixed with the room mic, something I would not have expected. (The G12H100 was one of those to the maximum.) Fantastic playing! Great riff (I mean since you’re playing it like 10,000 times you might as well have fun!) 😁 Thanks for this!
It's all about that '83 Celestion for me, good balance between girth and cutting high end Also worth praising is your choice of a straight, regular kick drum for the backing. It enhances the drive of the demos without compromising them. Just ends up being really exciting.
thank you so much for taking the time to make this video and doing it right! 3 different mic placement is phenomenal at helping us discern tone and dynamics! You sir are a brilliant man. the t 75 rules the world! but my eyes and ears have now been opened to the g12 65.
This might be my favorite of all your videos Johan... I just had to revisit it. Almost sounds like you've nailed the Accept, "Balls to the wall" sound here.
I think the most underrated speaker here is the 1982 G12-50, it sounds like it would cut through a mix really well and not sound too grating at the same time, has a good mid-push, especially with the close and room mic together.
Excellent video! I don’t get the hate the G12M-70 gets from Celestion snobs on forums, one of the best sounding here in my opinion. With someone who actually knows how to dial in a tone that speaker sounds excellent! Great job Johan!
@@qua7771 it absolutely gets lost in the mix, you're right. On it's own, it's great, but once you start adding other instruments into the mix, the fullness is too much. It's got a nice low and low mid response, but that is primarily where the bass occupies it's frequency spectrum. from 100-1.5khz is where a bass will usually sit, and a guitar will usually sit between 250-4khz. The T75 does not have that upper mids (above 1.5khz) like a good majority of the other speakers do. It's mid focus battles with the bass and vocals (in a metal/modern hard rock situation). Since in the comparison it follows the V30, it's clear why that has been the go to speaker for years.
@@TheProgGuy I've been on a tone chasing journey for over 40yrs, and I feel like I have finally reached my destination. I haven't been able to commit to a band, and gig out much due to the whole day job thing. Mostly jam sessions, and recording for me. When I got a T-75 cab, it immediately didn't work out for me. I felt like I had to keep cranking it, and there was a blandness. I went with V-30's for a while but they didn't fit my playing, until I mixed them with H-75's in the same cab, which to me sounds amazing for classic rock, southern rock etc... Not so much for metal IMO. All V-30's are good for metal, but can get strident with lower gain. The rig I use most has all M-25's. with a modified 2 Ch Ceriatone KK (wired '68 JCM 800/ hot 2204). This rig is versatile, but unforgiving.
@@qua7771 The T-75 combined with the M-70 sounds pretty decent. They complement each other, the M-70 puts in those boxy lower mids and articulation the T-75 lacks, the T-75 provides the low end and the highs.
The 1978 g1280 by a mile for me . It had a definition and clarity the others did not . It was also crisper and much more frim in the low end . The mids were more refined and articulate. It had that tight and defined low mid growl .
I have the same cab he's using here and a jcm800 2205 head from the eighties. This video convinced me to swap out the old g12-t 75's for g-12 65's. All I can say is now when I mic up my amp it sounds just like it does in the room, which is what I was chasing. So, thanks Johan!
Klaus bak Yeah, the most balanced of the Celestions in the test. I actually found out just the other day that it's still in production, exclusively for Randalls Thrasher cabs :-)
great demos JS!! those EV's really stand out, wonderful TONE!! liked the 12m-70s as well with a very differnet tone, but everyone has different ears. just different tools for different jobs. Cheers!!
That 1989 G12-75 had such a great balance of tone. Nice chunky bottom with no flab, strongest mids for my ears. Right up through the range, I heard more colors coming out of that speaker than any other. I have that cabinet, in purple, I think 30th anniversary special with an EV that I could do without. Thanks to you I know what to try first.
+Johan Segeborn Sorry I meant G12-65's in general, not just my particular year. It's actually a Marshall branded 1977. Very rare. I picked them up for $75 bucks a piece in Toronto. I was unsure about these so I confirmed with Dr. Decibel. Thanks again for taking the time to put this video together.
I'm not surprised that you like it that much. One of my best speakers that I carry. The classic lead is better than it sells. Word will eventually get out. Johan Rocks again!
Great video. The only thing missing from videos like these is adjustment for each speaker to compensate for the changing EQ. I get that the idea is to show the differences between the speakers, but the G12T-75 for example is very scooped in this video but it allows you to crank your mids more which really suits some amps.
Okay so I listen to it one more time just to make sure those 1989 G12m -70 are way cool! The harmonics are fantastic! Your reviews are the best bro! keep going!
Yeah-for the most maligned speaker in the history of rock, (even more so than the 75) -I thought they were ok. I had a pair in an 81 Garnet combo and they were nice clean too. The '14 Classic Lead 80 kinda surprised me too how nice it sounded.
Hi Johan! I am a proud owner of an old Park cabinet, probably from the late 70's. It has those G12-65 Celestions inside and with my 2204 JMP head they sound Killer. Just as in your demo they have a very pronounced, broad mid and not too sharp highs. It's very good combo for the Marshall amp which can be bright in highgain territory. I found actually the G1280 to be very pleasant also! It is a bit on the sharp side but in a good way and probably could do thrash and other heavier styles as well :) Keep on rocking! Cheers from Poland!
G12m 70 wow, id like to go more in depth with this vs the g12 65 this one really impressed me and i think i like it the best out of the bunch! also Love Marshall Vintage g12 (v30) G12 65 G12t 75 old version (missing from this? ;P ) Love to see all 12" 80s celestions in a shoot out :D Thank you for always the best! - Bahrum
Always come back to play this video time to time (now 2020). Close my eyes and listed for the speaker that speaks to me. It changes from time to time but have a few more favorites.
The 2014 V30 will do it's thing plus sound like all the others with a little treble rolled off, making it far more versatile The G12 50 was a surprise..sounds good too. I would open the video with a quick demo of each speaker, say 4 seconds each, for a quick side by side, then do some longer demos. i would still keep them to 10 seconds or so.No need to go longer really. Overall great job..thanks very much ..you are thee historical Celestion demo resource.
Superb!!! Ive been looking into getting an old EVM12 or 15L for guitar 1x cab. This is one deciding video: its sound is so clear but warm and rich. Im looking at a 1992 unit right now: THNX!!!!
this is an awesome speaker comparison. Great Job dude! I'm looking actually for some "new" speakers and your Videos help me a lot. Big Thanks. And keep on rocking. Greetings Marco :)
1st 1978 G12-80 2nd 1980 G12-65 3rd 1983 G12H100 Goes without saying that the 2014 models may not have smoothed themselves out yet. That '78 though, man...
+sickb2200 Thanks! Yeah it's beyond me why speakers aren't pre-broken in when sold. 80 hours is probably a year worth of rehearsals for many. Manufacturers like Scumback offers it for a small fee, but Celestion doesn't to my knowledge.
Great A/B (C,D,E...) comparison Johan, thank you! I am piecing together my "dream" 4x12 Cab and I found (2) G12H-100s that I want to X with some v30s; my only concern is finding a decent pair of v30s that are affordable and not the new(er) imports. I've never heard that setup (2 V30s + 2 H-100s) in person, but judging by how each speaker sounds separately, and their respective freq. response/tone, I think it will be a killer combo!!! Deep and powerful bottom stage from the H100s and thickened mid and vibrant highs from the v 30s. The band I play in is pretty eclectic (i.e. eccentric), so I don't really stick to one "genre" - surf, punk, blues, melodic prog, stoner metal, whatever. I want a rig that will cover all the bases, being pushed by a Bugera TriRec 100w tube head, all Tung Sol tubes. What are your thoughts on this potential beast of a cab -- or do you have any alternative ideas (other than v30s) to compliment the (2) H-100s I'm putting there? Thanks again for the great vids, and Cheers!
Thanks for continuously exceeding our expectations. For me you can't beat an old k85.. or a first generation t75. The speakers I liked in this demo on the close mic I ended like others better with just the broom sound cheers from Canada.
G12-65' or VERY early, vented magnet 75's are outstanding. I have an original quad of G12-80 with 4444 cones, at lower volumes, they're fat, open, and warm...once you give them the gas, they can be BRIGHT, an icepick I can't dial out with a strat. The G12-65's and early 75's are VERY similar...75's have a tighter bottom and are almost identical to 65's in the mids...both are fav's of Yngwie and Gary Moore
Thanks for demoing the G12H100's. I have some from the early 90's in my 2X12 cabs currently. 8 Ohms. They actually stack up pretty nicely in this video. I like the high end. Seems all the Chinese ones sound muddy, or is that just me?
Yeah the H100 is my favourite in this bunch. And the newer speakers sounds a bit more sterile. Not all are fully broken in but even after having done so they sound less spatially rich
Hi Johan, really glad to see this vid (i'm a metal fan) and to see you have pick up a new V30 vs the Marshall one in your comparative ;). The only thing missing is a ...simple greenback G12M, as they were used a lot ! Retro voicing : G80, CL70, G65, G50 (i didn't know this last) Modern voicing : G12T75, V30 (All), G12K100 Unique : EVM 12L A bit of history : The G65 was the first celestion large cap speaker, made in order to increase and respond to volume demand in the beginning of the 80's. G70 : the next power evolution of the G-65 G12T-75 is a reworked version of the G-65, sonically different. It's with the V30, the standard for Marshall since a while. G80 : H magnet version of the G12-65 CL80 evolution of the G80 with a fiberglass cone, used in Mesa combos, labelled and revoiced black shadow. G12K100 : next power evolution of the G80 V30 are the only one in this comp to have small caps. EVM is a large cap, high fidelity speaker and was used in the first Mark I in replacement of the original Altec-Lansing 417-8H Series II. Just my 2 cents. Cheers !
Almost all of these speakers are useable at full volume , especially the maligned gt12-75 , the vintage 30 sounds decent at lower volumes , half volume and below and I think that’s why there so popular now , big difference in the older and newer vintage 30 though , I still like the g12-65 the best
wow that g12m70 was my favorite by a mile. even though ive heard bad things about them that just goes to show you cant always go by others opinions. just curious what was your favorite speaker for this demo? great video man sorry if you've already answered that question
Damen i can listen to this all day.....riff is hypnoticing so i forget to look at wich speaker were on .... came here looking for a specific speaker, lmao
have 1979 g12 65 in a jcm2000 dsl401...man what an improvement in sound for that judas priest maiden sound i was wanting but also,my own flavor mixed in as well.
This video made me buy today a circa 2004 4x12 loaded with G12H-100s ... I am likely to scavenge, since room for a 4 x 12 is nigh impossible to find in the house right now. Thanks Johan!
G1280, but with 444 cones is one of the most efficient speakers I’ve ever heard. They offer less coloration than the EVM IMO. The 1777 cones make it a completely different speaker that almost sounds like an EVM with more mids. My bassman 2x12 with 79’ 444 cone g1280s is louder than my 90s’ Ampeg 4x12 with two WGS ET65 and V30s in an x pattern. I love mixing speakers, but nothing seems to mix with a G1280 with 444 cones because of how loud it is. Maybe I should just get two more for a 4x12
problem is they all work different depending on the amp and even pickups !!! Vintage 30 is as always, seriously hard to beat (loves my Ibanez) although I do like and use the G12H and specifically the G12M with Les Pauls which also came as standard in one of my Marshall cabs. Given choice I would match a V30 with a G12M , plenty of head room for a 100 top head,
Wow johan just wow! You are doing the demo's evrybody has ever wanted to see!
I wanna be your Merch Manager!
+Kelly Jackson Thanks! :-)
THE *G12M- 70* was my go-to speaker for years! --Tight up front crisp growl with perfect treble response
the G12M70 is the best of all of them.
That looked like a lot of work in order for your listeners to make up their mind...thanks for doing it! I'm going to have to take another run through to make up my mind!
Thanks!, my pleasure!
1. '78 G12-80 Close: 00:00 Close+Room: 05:51 Room: 11:44
2. '89 EVM12L Close: 00:24 Close+Room: 06:16 Room: 12:08
3. '83 G12H100 Close: 00:51 Close+Room: 06:43 Room: 12:35
4. '14 G12K100 Close: 01:20 Close+Room: 07:12 Room: 13:04
5. '14 CL80 Close: 01:53 Close+Room: 07:45 Room: 13:37
6. '88 V30 Close: 02:28 Close+Room: 08:20 Room: 14:11
7. '14 V30 Close: 02:54 Close+Room: 08:46 Room: 14:38
8. '14 G12T75 Close: 03:22 Close+Room: 09:14 Room: 15:06
9. '80 G12-65 Close: 03:52 Close+Room: 09:44 Room: 15:35
10.'85 G12-50 Close: 04:22 Close+Room: 10:14 Room: 16:06
11.'82 G12M70 Close: 04:53 Close+Room: 10:45 Room: 16:38
I know this is older in terms of RUclips uploads but this about as straight forward as it gets in terms of an education of the speaker frequently response in the "real world" - Much respect and appreciation for the time and effort on this - Thanks Brother
JOHAN who makes it REAL.
No over productions.... Just the Pure real RAWNESS!! 😎🤘
THIS ROCKS SO HARD MY SPEAKERS JUST MELTED.
+Carlos Guillen hahaha! Glad to hear it my friend! :-)
The EVM12L, G12-65, and ‘88 Vintage 30 are all standouts to my ear. With my surprise favorite being the G12-65.
Some that I didn’t like at all with just the close mic sounded much better to me when mixed with the room mic, something I would not have expected. (The G12H100 was one of those to the maximum.)
Fantastic playing! Great riff (I mean since you’re playing it like 10,000 times you might as well have fun!) 😁
Thanks for this!
That G12M70 is awesome!
The G12-65 is the clear winner here, with the G12M-70 and the Vintage 30 being a close second and third!!
Just want to thank your for the immense amount of work you are burdening yourself with!
+Metal Blood thanks, having fun doing it! Cheers Johan
Thanks for doing this from all of us that play this instrument.....GREAT JOB
Thanks! :-)
AGREED , I SECOND THAT !!
It's all about that '83 Celestion for me, good balance between girth and cutting high end
Also worth praising is your choice of a straight, regular kick drum for the backing. It enhances the drive of the demos without compromising them. Just ends up being really exciting.
WSR Brooks Thanks, really glad you like it! :-) One of my favourite amps. Cheers Johan
Oh man now I'm even more stoked that I've got 4 of those G12H100 speakers! Going to put to in an ENGL 212 cab.
M70 sounds a lot like the t75 to me. Very underrated
Hello Johan,
GREAT METAL playing!!!
Like allways in Metal tone: G12H-100! Best speaker for high-gain(and more)
Great video that helps people know the difference between close mic and room sound to make a better speaker selection to their taste.
thank you so much for taking the time to make this video and doing it right! 3 different mic placement is phenomenal at helping us discern tone and dynamics!
You sir are a brilliant man.
the t 75 rules the world!
but my eyes and ears have now been opened to the g12 65.
+000slander000 Thanks, really glad to hear it!
The G12H100 totally slays!! with both close and room mics. It has this creamy vintage sound with a ton of punch fantastic 👏
This might be my favorite of all your videos Johan... I just had to revisit it. Almost sounds like you've nailed the Accept, "Balls to the wall" sound here.
G12H100 sounds incredible!
yup!
Especially in oversized cabs, just a bit scoped mids, smooth highs, A punch of defined powerful bass great Metal tone
Yep. Very classic metal 80's sounding. RATT sound.
Listen to the close and room mics clip,,!sounds tremendous!!
Great work, I appreciate the time you devoted for this test.
+Muzykosłuchacz Thanks! Glad you liked it!
I think the most underrated speaker here is the 1982 G12-50, it sounds like it would cut through a mix really well and not sound too grating at the same time, has a good mid-push, especially with the close and room mic together.
i really didn't expect that much difference between the 1988 V3 and the 2014 v30.. !
thanks for the video.. very well appreciated.
+klepetar Thanks, glad to hear it!
Excellent video! I don’t get the hate the G12M-70 gets from Celestion snobs on forums, one of the best sounding here in my opinion. With someone who actually knows how to dial in a tone that speaker sounds excellent! Great job Johan!
I liked the tone but I'm not sure if it would get lost in a mix.
In forums, you can't tell much about the players that are posting.
@@qua7771 it absolutely gets lost in the mix, you're right. On it's own, it's great, but once you start adding other instruments into the mix, the fullness is too much. It's got a nice low and low mid response, but that is primarily where the bass occupies it's frequency spectrum. from 100-1.5khz is where a bass will usually sit, and a guitar will usually sit between 250-4khz. The T75 does not have that upper mids (above 1.5khz) like a good majority of the other speakers do. It's mid focus battles with the bass and vocals (in a metal/modern hard rock situation). Since in the comparison it follows the V30, it's clear why that has been the go to speaker for years.
@@TheProgGuy I've been on a tone chasing journey for over 40yrs, and I feel like I have finally reached my destination. I haven't been able to commit to a band, and gig out much due to the whole day job thing. Mostly jam sessions, and recording for me. When I got a T-75 cab, it immediately didn't work out for me. I felt like I had to keep cranking it, and there was a blandness. I went with V-30's for a while but they didn't fit my playing, until I mixed them with H-75's in the same cab, which to me sounds amazing for classic rock, southern rock etc... Not so much for metal IMO. All V-30's are good for metal, but can get strident with lower gain.
The rig I use most has all M-25's. with a modified 2 Ch Ceriatone KK (wired '68 JCM 800/ hot 2204). This rig is versatile, but unforgiving.
@@qua7771 The T-75 combined with the M-70 sounds pretty decent.
They complement each other, the M-70 puts in those boxy lower mids and articulation the T-75 lacks, the T-75 provides the low end and the highs.
@@giacomoneri1782 Thanks. Maybe I'll try this combination. I only have H-75's, M-25's, T-75's, V-30's, a V-Type, and a 70-80 at the present moment.
The Classic Lead 80 really caught my ear, I need to pick up a pair.
Fred Garvin
Wow. What a great demo and killer riffs!
Johan you are truly doing the work of the gods. Keep it up my man. 🤘🏻
The 1978 g1280 by a mile for me . It had a definition and clarity the others did not . It was also crisper and much more frim in the low end . The mids were more refined and articulate. It had that tight and defined low mid growl .
I have the same cab he's using here and a jcm800 2205 head from the eighties. This video convinced me to swap out the old g12-t 75's for g-12 65's. All I can say is now when I mic up my amp it sounds just like it does in the room, which is what I was chasing. So, thanks Johan!
Man that G12H-100 cuts when the room mic is used :)
I have one in my -91 4101 and it just sits so nicely in the mix :)
Klaus bak Yeah, the most balanced of the Celestions in the test. I actually found out just the other day that it's still in production, exclusively for Randalls Thrasher cabs :-)
@@JohanSegeborn Not any longer..And RUN dont walk away from those fiberboard cabs..
This was a phenomenal speaker comparison Johan... Personally love the vintage 30 speakers 1988 ...perfect mids and overall tonal spectrum
G12K 1:21
G12T 3:23
Cl80 1:54
Hell Yeah , Johan , you fing rock !! I was not aware that you were into the heavier music !! ROCK ON !! 🤘😎🤘 Much respect !!
1983 celestion g12h100 gets my vote... fantastic demo. thank you.
great demos JS!! those EV's really stand out, wonderful TONE!! liked the 12m-70s as well with a very differnet tone, but everyone has different ears. just different tools for different jobs. Cheers!!
Yes something about the mids on that EV were incredible. It has a unique awesome sound
After listening to all of em they all sounded great in their own way, way fun!
That 1989 G12-75 had such a great balance of tone. Nice chunky bottom with no flab, strongest mids for my ears. Right up through the range, I heard more colors coming out of that speaker than any other. I have that cabinet, in purple, I think 30th anniversary special with an EV that I could do without. Thanks to you I know what to try first.
Great playing and thank you for the video. Love the Classic Leads!
#9 for me as well. G12-65 for the win! And I'm usually a V30 guy! The crunch was just right!
+Johan Segeborn Sorry I meant G12-65's in general, not just my particular year. It's actually a Marshall branded 1977. Very rare. I picked them up for $75 bucks a piece in Toronto. I was unsure about these so I confirmed with Dr. Decibel. Thanks again for taking the time to put this video together.
I was pretty sure they were introduced '78. What does the date code read?
I'm surprised that I like more the Classic Lead 80 and the G12 75T than the Vintage30...Great demo Johan!
+Mark Evans Thanks Mark!
I'm not surprised that you like it that much. One of my best speakers that I carry. The classic lead is better than it sells. Word will eventually get out. Johan Rocks again!
My JCM 900 lead cab is loaded with G1275T .. I may buy a 1 x 12 w/ a CL80
Really, really great test scenario. My favourites are:
1. Electro Voice
2. 1980 G12-65
3. 1989 G12M-70
4. 1988 Vintage 30
Well done, Johan. Thank you
+Josh Brown Thanks Josh!
Something about the G12H100 really really does it for me. Chunky thick mids and lows :)
+Ben Stein That's my favorite 80s speaker! Cheers
Проведено не мало работы.Молодец!
The Celestion 88 V30 is the Use your Ilusion sound, great!!
Thanks, I love GNR! Cheers
Whaaat no way! Slash or Izzy? And if slash, do you know what Izzy used? Please let me know!
Great video. The only thing missing from videos like these is adjustment for each speaker to compensate for the changing EQ. I get that the idea is to show the differences between the speakers, but the G12T-75 for example is very scooped in this video but it allows you to crank your mids more which really suits some amps.
Okay so I listen to it one more time just to make sure those 1989 G12m -70 are way cool! The harmonics are fantastic! Your reviews are the best bro! keep going!
Brandon Hupp Thanks man! Really good to hear. :-)
Yeah-for the most maligned speaker in the history of rock, (even more so than the 75) -I thought they were ok. I had a pair in an 81 Garnet combo and they were nice clean too. The '14 Classic Lead 80 kinda surprised me too how nice it sounded.
I have a pair of G12m-70s in a 78 Marshall JMP. They weren't bad, initially, but they've gotten a lot better over the years.
Hi Johan! I am a proud owner of an old Park cabinet, probably from the late 70's. It has those G12-65 Celestions inside and with my 2204 JMP head they sound Killer. Just as in your demo they have a very pronounced, broad mid and not too sharp highs. It's very good combo for the Marshall amp which can be bright in highgain territory. I found actually the G1280 to be very pleasant also! It is a bit on the sharp side but in a good way and probably could do thrash and other heavier styles as well :) Keep on rocking! Cheers from Poland!
+Dominik Ignacik Thanks Dominik, The G12-65 and G12-80 are great speakers to pair with a 2204. Cheers
Great video, the G12H 100 is a amazing speaker.
Awesome!!!! Celestion G12 Classic Lead 80 for me is the best sounding.
Thanks Mario!
That EV was my personal dream Metal rhythm tone.
G12m 70 wow, id like to go more in depth with this vs the g12 65 this one really impressed me and i think i like it the best out of the bunch!
also Love
Marshall Vintage g12 (v30)
G12 65
G12t 75 old version (missing from this? ;P )
Love to see all 12" 80s celestions in a shoot out :D
Thank you for always the best! - Bahrum
Thanks, Bahrum!
Kind of knew the brilliant v30 sound and the crappy ohne of the 75, but Boy do the 65 and 70 sound great (and the 50 bad)!
Great riff Johan, this inspires me to go play.
Thanks, great to hear that!
Always come back to play this video time to time (now 2020). Close my eyes and listed for the speaker that speaks to me. It changes from time to time but have a few more favorites.
Glad yo hear it Jay!
Favorites for me here are the '78 G12-80, the '80 G12-65, and the '82 G12M70. Thanks a lot Johan, you're going to really help me slim down my wallet!
The 88 V30 sounds killer and the 14 V30 sounds like an ice pick.
Old uk gold vs modern chinese
The 2014 V30 will do it's thing plus sound like all the others with a little treble rolled off, making it far more versatile
The G12 50 was a surprise..sounds good too.
I would open the video with a quick demo of each speaker, say 4 seconds each, for a quick side by side, then do some longer demos. i would still keep them to 10 seconds or so.No need to go longer really.
Overall great job..thanks very much ..you are thee historical Celestion demo resource.
+svhorton Thanks for the tip man, I agree. The shorter each section is the clearer the big picture gets. Cheers Johan
The 2014 Celestion Vintage 30 had the biggest sound IMO! Chords sounded sweet, the E5(no 3rd) power chord sounded LaRgE!!
G12 M70 @ 4:54 the EVM12L @ 00:24 & the 2014 V30 2:54 and the G12H100 @0:52 i feel beating the EVM12L
The 88 vintage 30 is so much richer than the 14 version. The 14 is super bright in comparison... Would love a shootout of just vintage 30’s...
G12K100 my favourite I think I'm gonna get one now cheers.
Superb!!! Ive been looking into getting an old EVM12 or 15L for guitar 1x cab. This is one deciding video: its sound is so clear but warm and rich. Im looking at a 1992 unit right now: THNX!!!!
this was awesome and very helpful, thank you very much!
The M160 is such a great mic. Makes them all sound good. M160s and 121s always seem to work out.
Yeah, very useful tools.
I'd pick the '83 G12H100 as my winner for tests 1 and 2
I stumble across your videos from time to time but now you finally made me subscribe to your channel!
Excelent work! Greetings from Germany
I have two 1977 G12-65's and always wondered what the others sounded like for comparison. Your video shows I have the best ones of them all. Thanks!
Haha, subtle. But you mean 1978 I assume?
Oh my goodness, that OD pedal is amazing!
Thanks, it's so transparent and yet aggressive
this is an awesome speaker comparison. Great Job dude! I'm looking actually for some "new" speakers and your Videos help me a lot. Big Thanks. And keep on rocking. Greetings Marco :)
Glad to hear it! Cheers Johan
1st 1978 G12-80
2nd 1980 G12-65
3rd 1983 G12H100
Goes without saying that the 2014 models may not have smoothed themselves out yet. That '78 though, man...
+sickb2200 Thanks! Yeah it's beyond me why speakers aren't pre-broken in when sold. 80 hours is probably a year worth of rehearsals for many. Manufacturers like Scumback offers it for a small fee, but Celestion doesn't to my knowledge.
Great A/B (C,D,E...) comparison Johan, thank you!
I am piecing together my "dream" 4x12 Cab and I found (2) G12H-100s that I want to X with some v30s; my only concern is finding a decent pair of v30s that are affordable and not the new(er) imports.
I've never heard that setup (2 V30s + 2 H-100s) in person, but judging by how each speaker sounds separately, and their respective freq. response/tone, I think it will be a killer combo!!! Deep and powerful bottom stage from the H100s and thickened mid and vibrant highs from the v 30s.
The band I play in is pretty eclectic (i.e. eccentric), so I don't really stick to one "genre" - surf, punk, blues, melodic prog, stoner metal, whatever. I want a rig that will cover all the bases, being pushed by a Bugera TriRec 100w tube head, all Tung Sol tubes.
What are your thoughts on this potential beast of a cab -- or do you have any alternative ideas (other than v30s) to compliment the (2) H-100s I'm putting there?
Thanks again for the great vids, and Cheers!
Thanks! I think that combination will work very well and be versatile enough to fit your different styles. Let me know how it works out! Cheers
classic metal, you nailed it. good job
G12-65 is my favorite.
Thanks!
The celestion 75 sounded excellent - ! My favorite nice bottom on it big mid no sacrifice on the top - !
Thanks for continuously exceeding our expectations. For me you can't beat an old k85.. or a first generation t75.
The speakers I liked in this demo on the close mic I ended like others better with just the broom sound cheers from Canada.
G12-65' or VERY early, vented magnet 75's are outstanding. I have an original quad of G12-80 with 4444 cones, at lower volumes, they're fat, open, and warm...once you give them the gas, they can be BRIGHT, an icepick I can't dial out with a strat. The G12-65's and early 75's are VERY similar...75's have a tighter bottom and are almost identical to 65's in the mids...both are fav's of Yngwie and Gary Moore
Thanks for demoing the G12H100's. I have some from the early 90's in my 2X12 cabs currently. 8 Ohms. They actually stack up pretty nicely in this video. I like the high end.
Seems all the Chinese ones sound muddy, or is that just me?
Yeah the H100 is my favourite in this bunch. And the newer speakers sounds a bit more sterile. Not all are fully broken in but even after having done so they sound less spatially rich
Johan, you should be on the Marshall research and development team. Every one of your videos are amazing.
Many thank You's!
👍G12T-75 & EV
Hi Johan,
really glad to see this vid (i'm a metal fan) and to see you have pick up a new V30 vs the Marshall one in your comparative ;). The only thing missing is a ...simple greenback G12M, as they were used a lot !
Retro voicing : G80, CL70, G65, G50 (i didn't know this last)
Modern voicing : G12T75, V30 (All), G12K100
Unique : EVM 12L
A bit of history :
The G65 was the first celestion large cap speaker, made in order to increase and respond to volume demand in the beginning of the 80's.
G70 : the next power evolution of the G-65
G12T-75 is a reworked version of the G-65, sonically different. It's with the V30, the standard for Marshall since a while.
G80 : H magnet version of the G12-65
CL80 evolution of the G80 with a fiberglass cone, used in Mesa combos, labelled and revoiced black shadow.
G12K100 : next power evolution of the G80
V30 are the only one in this comp to have small caps.
EVM is a large cap, high fidelity speaker and was used in the first Mark I in replacement of the original Altec-Lansing 417-8H Series II.
Just my 2 cents. Cheers !
dafxtone Thanks, really appreciate your feedback. Good point about the V30 voice coil size, is kinda interesting. Cheers! Johan
Almost all of these speakers are useable at full volume , especially the maligned gt12-75 , the vintage 30 sounds decent at lower volumes , half volume and below and I think that’s why there so popular now , big difference in the older and newer vintage 30 though , I still like the g12-65 the best
Electro-Voice all the way , wow what a speaker ..
wow that g12m70 was my favorite by a mile. even though ive heard bad things about them that just goes to show you cant always go by others opinions. just curious what was your favorite speaker for this demo? great video man sorry if you've already answered that question
+Justin Lawson Thanks Justin, I liked the G12H100 best here, but the G12M70 was very nice too. Quite an underrated speaker indeed. Cheers Johan
Johan Segeborn it is 1989 (video) or 1982 (description)? Liked the g12m-70 most.
Damen i can listen to this all day.....riff is hypnoticing so i forget to look at wich speaker were on .... came here looking for a specific speaker, lmao
1983 G12H100 in first place...with the 2014 G1280 in second.
The most epic speaker shoot out EVER!!!!!!
The ultimate beast - EVM.
That G12-65just awesome!!
Thanks Jonathan!
G12 80 is unmatched
have 1979 g12 65 in a jcm2000 dsl401...man what an improvement in sound for that judas priest maiden sound i was wanting but also,my own flavor mixed in as well.
+Dav Cat Yeah, it's the ultimate NWOBHM speaker!
Johan Segeborn what is NWOBHM ? :)
@@nostalgiaz123 New wave of British Heavy Metal ! ;)
sounds so nice and crunchy,miss my marshall jcm800 badly
The G12K Roars with the Marshall
Us Americans appreciate the hat, Johan!! The tunes too of course!!
Very informative. Nice job.
This video made me buy today a circa 2004 4x12 loaded with G12H-100s ... I am likely to scavenge, since room for a 4 x 12 is nigh impossible to find in the house right now.
Thanks Johan!
0:55 H100 03:24 t75
G1280, but with 444 cones is one of the most efficient speakers I’ve ever heard. They offer less coloration than the EVM IMO. The 1777 cones make it a completely different speaker that almost sounds like an EVM with more mids.
My bassman 2x12 with 79’ 444 cone g1280s is louder than my 90s’ Ampeg 4x12 with two WGS ET65 and V30s in an x pattern. I love mixing speakers, but nothing seems to mix with a G1280 with 444 cones because of how loud it is. Maybe I should just get two more for a 4x12
problem is they all work different depending on the amp and even pickups !!! Vintage 30 is as always, seriously hard to beat (loves my Ibanez) although I do like and use the G12H and specifically the G12M with Les Pauls which also came as standard in one of my Marshall cabs. Given choice I would match a V30 with a G12M , plenty of head room for a 100 top head,
Thanks for sharing