Don't Buy The Elgato Cam Link.. Buy This Instead
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Pretty sure 4k 15 is for educators and presenters, or anyone really, who needs to share a large thing that has fine detail or text, but doesn't need to be moving. using it more like a projector.
NICE! How much do they cost? 🤣
So like Athena Back in the day? neat!
how are you SLEEPING on the $20 capture card at walmart by Vivitar?
Hello, I often follow your videos，I have a video capture card can I cooperate with you?
I think the most important thing people need to consider too is latency. I got suckered into buying a cheap capture card because a lot of youtubers said it was a nice alternative to the cam link at a fraction of the price, but failed to mention how much latency it had.
Due diligence sir. No adult should say they got suckered!😂
Wrong
@@marv8686 I agree I should have dug deeper but its also kinda lame that nearly every big youtuber said the card was good.
@Mabi Nerd the hard part is a lot of these are wildly inconsistent. I got like 3 $9 1080p 60 usb 2.0 capture cards. 2 have sub 7 ms latency. Ones nearly 2 or 3 ms at times. While the last one, nearly 20 ms. Ultimately you can adjust your audio delay to match
@@kuroshine That's a fair point I suppose a little more work is required for the cheaper ones. I take these round up videos with a grain of salt these days now for that very reason.
I really like the fact that you take the time to explain things. I am always trying to learn when it comes to content creation. Not only are your videos informative but they're entertaining.
UVC is definitely a nice-to-have to reduce cable clutter and simplify setting up as a webcam. I've been holding off on a camera for a few years, but feels like this is a must-have convenience feature for me now.
Hey man great video, can I ask what lense you’re using on your Sony A IV? Much love 👍🏻
I might have to pick up the $18 Cheapo to test out, but 100% once you mentioned UVC I was immediately off the train of looking for an alternative cam link rather than having UVC as a trigger feature for my next camera. Excellent video Harris, as usual my friend!
Impeccable timing! I was just in search of a camlink and curious if there were alternatives. This helped answer my questions... Keep it up Harris and the Senpai team!
I bought a $25 "Scam Link" in 2020 and have been using with my Sony A6300 for years with zero issues. Cam Link's are like the TI-85 calculators of the streaming world that you are forced to buy and never go down in price.
Thank Harris. Great re-cap. I livestream via Zoom for online corporate training. I use those $18 cards because Zoom only takes 1080p and it crushes the life out of the image. Honestly, with my 2 camera set-up, 1 card has lasted 3 years and the other died after 2 years. For $18, they are worth it if you do not need 4k.
24bit/30bit/36bit color is actually just a different notation of 8/10/12bit since RGB or YUV signals have 3 channels and sometimes they note the bits per channel and sometimes bits per pixel. Usually video cards use bpp notation and usually cameras use bpc. Not to be confused with video camera raw where each bayer pixel has only one color.
So the video capture card cloner knew more than the video capture card RUclips reviewer in this instance. Good catch.
I use the sony zv-E10. Still use a camlink to capture the image. The main reason is that using it as a webcam via USB-C, the possibility to control the camere with a smartphone is not possible. And in a room with the possibility of sunlite, you want to control the camera without taking it of the stand. And the benefit of charging it doesn't work if you are using it for long sessions. The camera still overheats. So camlink and dummy battery is a must for the zv-e10.
I use a Ulanzi fan that just snaps onto the front or he ZV-E10. Works SUPER good for podcasts, livestreams, and recordings of 2hrs+
I have been using that exact super cheapo (even only 12€) for 2 years with my A7II. Just slapped on a custom LUT and have been happy ever since :D
I think as a backup or on a tight budget the Cheapo option definitely seems like a decent choice. The color correction looked great.
Honestly, I was contemplating on getting the zv-e10 for a beginner photography hobby, as well as my RUclips and streams, paired with a Sigma lens.
My dude, this video was a LOUD CONFIRMATION for my thoughts.
Seen loads of vids and i'm still learning!!! Good on yah sir!!! keep em comeing! =)
Thank you, Harris this was very informative. I've been trying to do a nice streaming set up and looking into getting a camera. Learned some cool things from this video. I have a Logi C9 webcam which is good but i want my quality to be a little better. Gonna look into the cameras that dont need a cam link. cool
I really appreciate you making this video, I've been trying to use an ATEM mini pro iso to live stream for about a week straight now and it's completely useless. For my single live streams I use the elgato 4K camera link and probably about 80% of the time really like it. But I want to bring in 4x a7siii feeds on the screen at the same time. I had no idea about the UVC and knowing that there is an option to have a slightly cheaper cam link is a huge bonus. Thank you so much for this man.
I hope you can help me! Ive been using my Canon M50 as a webcam without a capture card, just plug and play into OBS and it works amazing! The only downside is when im doing that “windows camera frame server” shoots my CPU usage up by like 25%. Im not experienced with camera to computer issues so im wondering will a capture card reduce the CPU usage im facing? Hope to hear from ya, could really use the advice!
*_Nice video !! I have a question and I know u are the only one can help me, I just bought the El Gato Facecam Pro 4k camera yesterday but I realized that my computer doesn’t have usb-c port to plug this cable . Do you know if this camera comes with adapter if not which cable or adapter will work ?? I know Type A to Type C cable can work on some setups, do you know which one exactly I can buy ?_*
Great video! Came here for info about the Camlink but you’ve convinced me to try just going direct with my ZV-E10 and seeing what the 720p footage is like.
How is it?
I feel like a lot of people's initial reaction is to get one of these "cam links" (with only an input), but often times you can get a good traditional capture card (with input and output) from a reliable company for cheaper than a real CamLink from elgato. Then you also have more functionality for game consoles, etc.
This was so helpful! I use the Canon M50 for doing videos and tutorials, and I like the quality of the Canon software for webcam, BUT it doesn't work with OBS or QuickTime. I've been looking at getting a capture card for this reason. I don't like getting super cheap electronics because they usually break down quicker, so I'm leaning towards the ezcap. Plus I don't want to look green or orange lol.
I bought the ezcap and I have a Canon m200. It looks great, but my only issue is that my gpu started to work a bit harder because the time to render frames went from 1.0 or less ms to 2.5 to 3.0 ms
This may be a silly question, but why is your examples different to your video in look/quality. Would you not be using the best for your video (elgato), so it would then look the same? Thank you and great video :))
Thank you harris for this video. I had asked this same question myself but didn't really want to roll the dice when looking for a new 'camlink' I think the best bang for buck for me for now will just still be opting for the gopro with the elgato camlink!
For my a7iv I've actually moved back to using the camlink instead of uvc so I can get the 4k 30 out of it. The resolution doesn't matter for the stream, but it does when I crop recordings for vertical videos. Also doesn't charge fast enough when connected to my PC. A problem if you're going to stream for more than 3 hours.
does your camera ever overheat, same setup as you but keep getting an error?
@@MoreBDBDAN Yes it overheats if I'm in 4k 30. No error it just turns off. I bought a little fan with a flexible neck to point at the camera and that's enough to fix it.
This was super useful, thanks! But also your voice for audio books would be incredible ahaha 😅❤
You recorded all that footage IN OBS? Curious what bitrate do you set in OBS when recording? Great video as usual.
Are you shooting your RUclips videos on a high end camera and then updating your video? I have a Nikon Z6 and a Nikon Z9 and I want to use vmix or obs studio to do a live podcast so I assume that no matter how good the camera is a need a capture card right ?
I bought one of the eBay $18 cards and faithfully use it for my RUclips show. The colors are completely natural and handles 1080/30 with no problem at all. I think the real trick is which knockoff you go with (there's SO many!) - Some of them are crap...others are really well built. I also use an Elgato CamLink for remote streams but I gotta tell ya, given the choice between the two, for my video bucks that was the best $20 I ever spent.
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I'm using my Canon 80D as my "webcam". During the pandemic Canon released free software called "EOS Webcam Utility" and it works with most all Canon EOS cameras, I believe. After installing it's basically plug and play and looks great.
Love it when Harris calls out Elgato, cuz then they release a new product a couple months later. Good stuff.
Great video! I would love to see a preamp alternative video.
Instead of buying a CamLink or a HDMI to USB, because I knew I was going to need multiple camera inputs into my machine, I bought a PCIe card that had four HDMI 1080 60 inputs. I currently have my camera, GoPro, and console plugged in to it. It’s Acasis branded. If you knew you were going to have more than one HDMI input would you agree this is the better way to go?
I'll definitely be looking for UVC in my next cam. Thanks for the info!
My original CamLink died on me. While I was waiting for Elgato to ship me the replacement, I still had a stream to do. So for a 'backup', I went ahead and bought an $18 knock-off model from Amazon (not the same one Heller reviewed, but one that actually looked a lot more like an actual CamLink). Like the other cheap ones, this one specified that it only outputted at 1080p - since my little 'webcam-box' in my stream is tiny, (I stream gameplay which is most of the screen), I only stream my cam in 720p anyways - so it didn't matter to me that it couldn't output 4k. This device also had over 1300 reviews on Amazon with 4.5 stars - people seemed happy with it. Much to my surprise: IT WORKED PERFECTLY! After all the bad problems I had with the CamLink before it finally died, I didn't even want to mess with my setup again. So when the Elgato replacement arrived, it went straight into a drawer, and I have continued using the $18 cheap one with zero problems ever since (over a year now). If the cheap one ever dies, I'll actually have to debate whether I want to re-insert my 'replacement' CamLink back into the setup or if I should buy another $18 one again instead. I should probably buy one now just to have a backup on-hand, lol. Anyways - I know it's crazy, but sometimes the whole 'you get what you pay for' just doesn't hold true. This was one of those times.
You were reading my mind with this video… literally just about to invest in a camlink for my camera and now I’m able to make an informed decision on which one to choose!
I thought using the ZV-E10 in webcam mode reduces it down to 720p30fps. Wouldn't using the Cam Link allow you to not limit the ZV-E10?
I have a canon rebel t100 that I use to stream with on streamlabs but only get 1280x720 because the EOS Utility only supports 720. is there a specific lens that will make the quality clearer. Im using the 18mm-55mm stock lens. Please any thoughts.
This videos explains a loooot why I see a big difference when I record the video directly in the Sony ZV1 compared to the Cam Link HDMI. The colors are terrible in the Cam Link. Is there any Video Capture that is capable of keep the good quality? thx
I saw a list of games when doing the Sizzle thing. Does that mean it won't do every single game or a fighting game, such as Harvestella or The King of Fighters XV?
Can the webcam utility work with multiple cameras on OBS? Or would it be better just to get a ATEM mini to switch scenes? Haven’t tried it since I don’t have the cameras on hand. I know it does work with one. Working with 3 Nikon Z6ii
I bought the ZV e-10 based on your first video, I really like it but it does run out of battery after about 6 hours of streaming. Are you sure we don't need a dummy battery? I'm confused, it won't charge while it's on. Is there a setting I'm missing?
I wouldn't mind an update to this video idea. I'm sure since we're around Christmas time there are some new products and new deals.
Interesting timing on this. The last couple weeks ive been using a gopro hero 9 with UVC as a webcam and was kind of disappointed with the image it produced, with very little options for changing any settings. I was about to go buy a camlink and a media mod so I could use HDMI with it instead. Now I'm undecided.
I've never had good luck with my Cam Link 4k capturing 4K from my Sony ZV-E10... Its so choppy in OSB. If I switch my camera to 1080p 60 it works buttery smooth. Kind of a bummer.
Any Canon in the EOS series (from like 2014 onwards) can be converted to UVC via update! Don’t shy away from a cheap rebel or M6,50,etc., on marketplace if you need a cam.
Do these video capture devices also record audio from a camera or only the video?
Both Sony and Canon have software to get a clean video feed via usb connection on a wide range of models that don't have uvc built in. This software also allows for charge over usb (Sony only atm) so no dummy battery needed just like native uvc. EOS Webcam Utility for Canon & Imaging Edge Webcam for Sony. This method comes with its own set of quirks, pros & cons but it's worth mentioning because it removes 1-2 possible physical hardware points of failure in your set-up. If you like minimising your work-flow this might suit your needs. Canon recently added a pro tier to their software locking new features behind a subscription but I don't have my Canon 5D any more so cant test pro vs free. I do have a Sony A7III and consider the software good enough to ditch my capture card. This software came out in 2020 😮
would be nice to look at the pixels how accurate they are, if there are artifacts, and the vector scope on color bars, coz last time i checked, camlink4k was the cheapest that got the vector scope correct with color bars.
The right video that I was looking for. Have been struggling with my elgato camlink 4k not able to recognise my canon camera. Will check the UVC protocol. I do have the USB port on my camera. Thanks for the video!
I was just about to get one of those legatos cam links. Thanks for the video, now I will just upgrade my camera which I was planning on doing anyway!
What are your thoughts on the ATEM Mini as a capture card for streamers that play on multiple devices?
Fantastic Video. gives valuable information, has personality but not too much. intro introduces the premise very well
Different merits of streaming from the USB port aside, to make this to work in Linux takes a while, and to get that to work in MS Teams, I have not yet managed to do, except possibly once with wrong pixel format resulting in completely wrong colors. So, I am getting a capture card. Not sure yet if it is a PCIE or USB3, but one of these is definitely a must for me.
Also, good to know that Canon added the software to use DSLR cameras to plug in usb into the pc directly (software called canon webcam utility), it's not 720p but I'm currently using my canon 60D as a webcam without a capture card so that's a good use for my old dslr camera
From all the footage I've seen it looks horrible though, low fps and poor image. My phone using iriun webcam app looks so much better not even a contest.
The issue with using just USB cross through is its lower than 720p video and its not even pass-through video just wants on the LCD screen, also USB 2.0 can only due speeds up to 480Mbps which is terrible.
I always think the video quality comparisons are similar to the arguments between CD & Vinyl when they first came onto the scene. For casual watches (listeners), I don't know that there's a difference. If I see a comparison video between the 2, I'll always say, "Yes, the higher looks better". But, I watch TONS of RUclips and many other streaming services. Most of them are not in 4K, and I am completely satisfied with my experience. Some of my older DVD - digital conversion were in 720p and they also look great and I don't ever notice. It's fun to check out the latest hardware and use the most recommended, but my day to day is mostly unaffected by these.
this is insane timing. I just thought about grabbin a sony a6000 and a lens and using that as a webcam and im in the hunt to find out what I need as far as a camlink etc. thanks for this
ive used the vivitar $20 capture card from walmart. metal construction. 1080p 60fps. have had zero issues with it and works like a charm.
Bought a CamLink a few years ago, it proceeded to not work at all with my DSLR no matter what streaming program I used it with. Currently using my iPhone pro with *Continuity Camera* bypassing the need for the USB dongle entirely.
There is a reason why the EZcap is so close but it’s kinda a lengthy explanation. tl;dr after x amount of time the exclusivity a company Elgato/Corsair got for buying the rights to that exclusive manufacturing deal expired and not the same things can be release under any brand. I guaranty after 6 years you could make stream beasts version with the exact same features of a cam link.
If a company actually designed and made their own vs bought a design this doesn’t happen.
Think Hydroflasks for 3 years and then a thousand so called knock offs.
Hope this helps
Doesn't Nikon have UVC protocols in their Z-series cameras?
Also, how important is 4k vs 720p when it's going to be 640p in the bottom corner of your display on a 1080 stream?
Could you give me some info on how the iphone can interact with all of these things? I want to use my upcoming iphone 15 as webcam, but I want to do it in high quality. Cinema P3 and Filmic Pro allow Clean HDMI out from iPhones, but the resolution that has is still way above what these cards here even capture... Also, When I use an USB to HDMI adapter to record, I can't use my my mic anymore and also cannot charge the phone :((
There has to be some better solution for this, right? I mean can't I use USB-C as an HDMI-like output by now? Or isnt' there are USB hub that allows for high quality HDMI out while also providing power passthrough?
Biggest issue I have with the USB streaming from the ZV-e10 is not the resolution or color change, but the delay. Not major, but I want my reactions to content to be in the moment, not a moment after. If they can fix that, I am all over USB streaming. (Also not great for syncing audio)
I'm more or less a beginner but apparently if the camera is in a cage in portrait mode, might cancel out the delay.
@@jimshannononsounds Oh? I’ll have to give that a try.
UVC isn't there yet for my taste. My clients are all entrepreneurs who also use their cameras to go-to-meeting and such and we still have them buy a camlink to do so. I hope it gets there soon and becomes the camlink and dummy battery killer for all my clients and students.
I can pretty much never tell between 720p or 1080p because they're too close. Besides, doesn't matter if your output is 1080p or 720p if people watching can only do 720p or even 480p.
I have one of those $20 capture sticks and the colors look alright. It is so low budget, that it straight up ignores HDCP, so I can actually connect a BluRay Player; when I connect that to my Elgato device, I'm just getting a black screen.
Would the atem mini be in the running since it dropped in price to like $159
Thank you for breaking down the barriers of transmitting high definition, I'm curious about why it takes alot for ''computer tech'' to just transmit the camera's full potential just plug and play, that's why I'm a fan of webcams...and yet even with all the spec differences the image can be drastically different with 1080p 60fps compared to another 4k 30 webcam, speaking of just recording with obs not streaming, even then a 2mp webcam will look better than a 8mp 4k one just because of the streaming bandwidth limitations.
Tried the ezcap. Couldn’t capture 4k into Quicktime. Could capture 4k with OBS but my workflow is easier capturing into QuickTime. dunno, maybe I was doing something wrong. sent it back and bought the Elgato, 4k into QuickTime works fine.
Some Nikon cameras work as a webcam without capture-card as well via their software. I have a D3500 that does. The only issue is that being a cheaper camera, Nikon capped it at a 30 minute record time. Some more expensive ones do not have this issue though.
I am not sure if you have done this yet, but I'd lik to see you do a tutorial video on how to do basic audio engineering. Stuff like EQ, gain, LU, stuff like that! I love your videos!
He did
I would love to see review of some higher end capture options. Something from Magewell or Blackmagic ATEM Mini.
The color on all of the captures kinda wierded me out a little. I personally use the ZV-E10 and I love it. I do use it for much more than it's webcam ability, but that ability is awesome. Also! The kit lens (16-50mm) works really great for a ton of shooting scenarios (aka, you probably don't need to buy another lens to make your footage look top notch👌just start with the kit lens).
Part of that is also just Sony's unusual color science with green/yellow skin tone fringing. That's been in existence in pretty much all their mirrorless cameras. But the conversion to Rec.709 that capture cards usually do is also very odd at times, and feels very artificial. Like they're trying to auto-compensate for camera's profiles with a universal LUT (and "universal LUT" is also an oxymoron, there is no such thing) due to the fact that it has to down-convert from 4:2:2 in most cases to 4:2:0, so they're trying to save time? I don't know. It's a very weird spec that capture cards include. It could also just be the difficulty of converting different signal protocols.
Yep, the colour is totally different to the corrected image used in A footage. Makes them all look bad.
Do I need a cam link if I have a capture card? Or do I only need the capture card?
13:30 Just FYI, you get a higher resolution output from the ZV-E10 using HDMI + cam link, so yeah it does work over USB and that’s great, but for the people saying “omg only 720p???”, it can go higher than that if you buy a cam link device
A big problem with some cheap capture cards is that they don’t have dual channel audio.. just mono. And if you’re trying to capture gameplay, that is awful
I got a couple of the cheap ones a few months ago. They worked fine, but within the past couple weeks I’ve been having trouble with them showing up on my computer. My guess is the quality of the plating.
Would love to see some of that street photography!
I think the 36bit color depth is referring to 12 bit color depth but instead of per RGB channel it is per pixel. So 3*12 = 36.
Yes, in the software and files you can use bit per channel but normally in the hardware side you put the full width to declare the full possible colors since there are even 18 and 16 bit displays. On cameras you will find the 8 or 10 bit because is the depth on the sensor without the bayer filter and all the points are the same but you get actually x4 by each pixel.
Harris, love the video and showing us the results before we buy, however, why don't you show everyone the real competition to Elgato, AverMedia? When I went to get a capture card for a dual pc system, I found the gamer duo, which is perfect for those wanting to pass-through a new gen console and maybe use a DSLR in the future, which I did. I looked it up and they have a competitor to each version of the camlink along with comparable products in most of the Elgato space. I think people put so much stock in whatever anybody else is using and I've only seen a few mentions of webcams from AverMedia from you. Also, another mention is the Shure MV7 over the SM7B, people can use this as an upgrade path, it's a fantastic mic, and yet everyone spends $1,000 because streamer "A" has it. Same with settings, but I digress, I would just like to see more actual competitors products when comparing like this.
UVC for Sony's Imaging Edge app does NOT currently work with Mac's newest iOS update (Sonoma iOS 14), which is why I'm over here looking for a damn camera link to use with my Sony a7riii.
If I use a Nikon D7000, is it compatible with the 4K HDMI to USB Video Capture Card? Thank
Other then the obvious things like resolution, color, and quality I prefer low latency capture cards. It makes it a bit easier to sync.
I bought an HD60 Pro for about $90 on Mercari 6 years ago when I first upgrade my Capture card for my PS4 from a Hauppauge HD, I am now Dual PC, and recently upgraded to 4K60 Pro MK2, and use my HD60 Pro as my A7III Capture Card
you miss to add in the video that the zv.e1 new from sony from usb c come to stream mode up to 30p 4k... Maybe killer feature for new gen cameras
Reason i bought my Elgato camlink to capture a PTZ camera (via RCA cable to HDMI converter) to capture to my laptop. Yes, It's complex but my work office is giving me very little budget to buy equipment can only purchase within the country using corporate card. My way of slightly saving cost (with elgato) and it works.
Without having watched the video yet, I just sent the Elgato Cam Link 4 back to Amazon three days ago because it could never successfully connect my Lumix G7 to my laptop for Twitch streaming despite two days of exhaustive troubleshooting. I'm already interested in this alternative product. Harris is the man.
I bought the avermedia 4k streamer cap for the camera and never looked back.
I looked around the web software for my Nikon Z9 which I superior video only works in 1080p so you still need a cam link if you want 4K. I connect my second camera a Nikon Z6 which has 4K capability to the can link but I only do it because I want 4K video.
I could tell the ZV-E10 UVC was lower resolution, but only really next to the 1080p camera, and if you didn't mention it being 720p and I wasn't actively trying to search it out, I wouldn't have noticed.
You should have mentioned the annoyance of UVC, need to be activated thru the menu EVERY time you'll start it. Makes it kinda hard to mount the Cam out of reach.
This was a cool video... only I just bought a Elgato Camlink 4k last week, because I had issues with OBS and the Canon webcam software(EOS M50 Camera)
So do you recommend the goxlr mini for and upgrade from the USB audio box 96
I’m using a EZCAP 4K 60 - 1080p 120 capture card and the quality is amazing. I really think they are underrated.
My Fuji film xt3 can do the usb c for webcam but the battery always die mid stream. I’m gonna get one of the cheap ones you showed.
I have the ZV-e10 which I'm using most for Instagram photos and also for webcam , I bought this cheapo capture card because to go inside of the menu and remove the cable to connect into streaming mode on zv-e10 every time that you want to use it is pain in the ass, with capture card you just need to turn on the camera and you are golden
Even without "UVC" - all camera manufacfturers (Fuji,Sony,Nikon,Canon) have some basic software drivers to let you use most of their cameras as a webcam. Sure it's not "out of the box" with just the cable and no separate driver install like UVC camera's - but still, the extra step to download the driver isn't that big of a hurdle.
I wana sell my GoXLR and share mv7, what’s the best non xlr mic just for sounding good and 250 and under?
As a heads up for anyone with a ZV-1 camera, it will not give a clean feed with this Cam Link alternative. I’m not sure if the Cam Link will give a clean signal either, looking to find a used one to test myself.
Not particularly as I’m using a black magic quad link for my capture card for cameras buttttt I’m having issues with them so ima have to look into why my obs isn’t registering it if I downloaded the wrong software or if my hdmi to sdi converter is broken