So Much Drama w/ The BMPCC 6K Pro | Black Magic Pocket Cinema Camera 6K Pro First Look
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
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The Black Magic Pocket Cinema Camera 6K Pro is officially here and I'm excited to share my first look and impressions of it.
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NOTE: I just wanted to clarify that the 6K Pro DOES save files even when the battery dies... at least mine does. Just tested it twice.
didn't they fix that on the 6k?
One of the nice things about being broke is that you don't feel the need to rush out and buy things the moment they're released. It's often wise to wait a few weeks (or months) before making a purchase, especially a tech purchase, because of things like what's happening with the 6k pro.
You are so right.....the same as with the issues of the Canon R 5 there now Canon brought out already the 3rd firmware update
his is a wondeful camera with no equals in that price range! And those are the facts. Those small issue becasue they are small, wil be sorted..and it seems it is not many people but a few.
Or years... I'm planning on getting the c70 next summer.
Hah 😆 I love this. Let's console ourselves my friend
The thing about the NDs color shift is that it can be corrected on shoot if you do a proper white balance (including using the TINT function). It’s a matter of a few seconds. I don’t get why people complain that much about that. It’s physical : every camera when you stack NDs (which this camera does) you get some kind of shift.
Right off the bat I loved that stop-motion view showing off the camera!
I have complete faith in the bmpcc 6k pro. Ive recently purchased one and today sokd my Canon 90D because I lrefer a solid filming camera not a hybrid DSLR. The black magic is light years ahead in image quality and ease of use and worth the cost of entry because of BRAW.
Another point is that with the Metabones XL, the P4K acts like nearly full frame
I just really wish they made a v2 of the P4k. With a more gimbal friendly body.
They need to release a 4K pro.
Maybe it was luck but my 6KP had no tint, no dust on the filters and arrived in good shape. It's the 1st camera since the OG5D that I'm psyched to pull out of my bag......I LOVE it!
Me too. I have had none of these issues
Me 2 buddy
@@BCCAP makes me start to wonder if Sonys marketing budget is being well used.... 🤔
@@gmore70 dude hahaha so funny. The only reason I'd say that this isn't true, I did see a video of a dude literally unbox 2 6kpros, charge them, put the same lense on, and straight out of box the screen tint was like 5k difference which was pretty bad. SMH, mine works great so I won't jinx it! Haha
@@BCCAP true.
Don’t use the standard battery indicator for battery life, read the voltage instead. Anything below 7.0V shows up as red on the P6K Pro but the camera won’t die until around 6.3 or 6.2V, so a better indicator that your battery is about to die would be at around 6.5 or 6.4V. I was confused at first but did some battery tests and it was consistent, whereas the normal battery indicator is so inconsistent because voltage varies a lot between batteries and changes throughout their use
That’s good to know! Thanks !
Still want it. Great specs and build! It is probably a software issue that can easily be solved. These are not "major issues" for crying out loud!
Hmm, I don’t have any of the problems mentioned with my 6KPRO. Everything works just fine!
The only issue that I have, I’m Not able to load in LUTS.
It is working on my 6K but nog on my 6KPRO..
Awesome break down man, you pretty much nailed it.
These small issues surprise me when it comes to BM. They are smarter than this. I feel like these would be issues with upcoming video camera manufacturers like Sigma.
BM entire legacy is based on them producing great things that have the worst quirks or flat out don’t work in the beginning.
They always have problems. So many software glitches. I got rid of all of mine
There is absolutely no point to pair the 4K with a monitor with recording abilities when you have BRAW... You can save a couple hundred bucks for sure there. So the 4K will be even more less expensive and you don’t really need the Metabones as well, there are crazy good M4/3 lens out there. So 4K is still an amazing value for the money. That’s only my thoughts, thanks!
I like a monitor with my 4k. But the ninja is pointless as it only outputs 1080p via HDMI and the camera gives you Prores and RAW internal. So the Shinobi at 300.00 which uses the exact same monitor and viewing features as the ninja would have made more sense. I also stick to M43 lenses personally. I am getting jealous looking at the 6k pro though!
Agreed can't put the most expensive accessories when there are monitors for 300 and if you are gonna get away from micro 4/3 lenses there are more affordable speedboosters
2022 update. I've followed Brandon's thoughts of derigging my 6K pro (I've found using an external monitor and Samsung T5 too cumbersome, and opted for extra batteries (no D-Link) and taking out a small mortgage for a CF card. AMAZING DIFFERENCE. The 6K Pro screen is more than enough and I can shoot faster. The form factor is pretty crappy though and hard to grip. My previous canon D90 was way lighter, but Black Magic always wins on the large bright screen, ND's and simple to use interface
Did the fixed the issues with warm/cool screen and battery indicator?
I got my pocket 4k still in love
Same
We experienced the slight blue tint on the monitor, but that'll 100% be fixed with firmware. The batteries, we pretty rarely shoot on just battery alone. We use the AC adapter a fair bit. We love the fact that you can now use our mountain of Sony batteries. But the few issues aside, this is a damn near perfect camera. There's no need to wait people, if you're on the fence, buy this camera! No regrets.
Btw, have you tapped on the battery icon? Try that. It’ll get you a better read out.
Great review! You brought up some issues I hadn't heard fully discussed. I'm aiming for this to be my camera upgrade sometime next year so I'm hoping whatever can be resolved in updates will be at that point
Have to make a few corrections.
The battery meter does show voltage, you just need to tap on the battery icon on the screen to show the different readouts. For me, when recording 6K BRAW at 50p to an external T5 drive, the camera dies when the meter showed 6.1v
The camera does save the file when your battery dies. I was recording BRAW 6k50p at 8:1 to a Samsung T5 when the battery died ( I let it die on purpose) and the file that was recording was perfectly fine. Really strange that your camera didn't save the file.
The Ninja V isn't for the Pocket cameras because they only output 1080p. I picked up a 7 inch monitor for half the price and the screen is working really good.
Great review!
With the feature set and the price point, it so tough to argue against this camera! I want one.
Had mine for a week now and I love it..a fusion of DSLR ergonomics with the beautiful footage of a RED, all for $2500, and with ND and Flippy screen its awesome. I mean who the F$^% cares about a blue screen when you can kill it in post. Not had any colour shift on my ND's and the battery life makes it really usable. I do have the battery grip which can make it bulky but I am a big lad(hands-wise) and that suits me. Just need Tilta to bring out a RIG for the Body and Grip. Great review Brandon, thanks. Love your channel and enjoy when you keep it 100 on the BMPCC cameras.
We waited 2 years to get the Pocket 4K. Have no issues with it aside from the weak battery life. Love this camera.
The 6K Pro will have its day as well.
6k super 35 vs 4k M4/3 + speedbooster... I would say if someone wants the Full Frame look, then the 4K with speedbooster is the better option. As for what is the look? Its the shallower depth of field , since a crop will affect aperture. Lets say one uses Zeiss EF lenses and 40-45mm is a preferred focal (full frame). On a Super 35mm your option is either a Distagon 28mm F2 ($600 on ebay) or an Otus 28mm F1.4 ($3400 on ebay). On a super 35 crop, that distagon is now around F3 wide open. The Otus is around F2, while spending more on the lens than the camera body. If you go 4K + speedbooster, you can buy a Distagon 35mm f1.4 for around $760, and have a 40mm with f1.6 wide open. Yeah, industry standard is to shoot F4-F8 (full frame), but more aperture options gives people more creative freedom, which is why we are all doing this in the first place. My main point is, one could reasonably say Lens options is a huge factor determining the camera body.
I need that 4k output on the normal bmpcc6k. I'd use it half the time instead of 6k just for extra time
Be noticed that there is a serious crop in 4K DCI RAW mode..
Great overview!
The 4k has also been out there for a while so it is more reliable 👍
Very good review and valid points. The only thing that got was the rigged out p4k was a bit overkill...you don't need to spend that much for a decent monitor these days.
excellent video.. thanks Brandon. I will wait another 6 months before buying it!
$300 feelworld monitor and viltrox speed booster will make the 4k a better bang for your buck without wondering if it will work on your next shoot.
Im trying to decide between the two
@@pahwraith we have the 6k and the 4k in my honest opinion the 6k is the better image but I love them both
4k isnt really that reliable I had to sell mine bc it just would turn itself on and off whenever it felt like it sometimes
@@joe6793 i have had the 4k since 2019 and haven't had 1 problem with it. Can't say it's not reliable maybe it's just yours
@@PAINFULLYGIFTEDVISUALS dont let yours get wet :D
Very fair analysis and clearly explained. Loved it! Subed!
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The problem with the battery is the np-f style don't have a connection for percentage read out or the failsafe to stop the recording before it cuts out. This generally isn't a problem as you can work of voltage, which hopefully the camera can show and work with the camera. It can be a problem with this camera as you can't use a larger battery or hot-swap unless you have the power grip or use a external solution.
The ND issue can't be fixed with firmware and the screen colour shift may also be hardware related. I feel blackmagic are getting close to having to recall this product as it seems all over the place.
About the battery percentage u can tap the battery and tells u how many volts
Great review man! This camera is definitely interesting. It seems like it would be overkill for running a small RUclips channel, but it is tempting. Do you have a camera that you would recommend for a smaller RUclips channel that offers 4K video and that would be something that offers room to grow for client work on the side?
gh5 or fuji xt3 or similar :)
While watching the b-roll you shot, I just realized you’re also in Houston. Way to “represent.”
Its so strange. I have had my 6K Pro for 2 weeks and I have yet to experience any of these issues. I keep reading and seeing all the complaints. I guess I got lucky???
I don't have them either
I love your thoughts on this camera, this made my life easy to take a decision
Thank you for the comparism 🤩🤩🤩🤩 It helps a lot
Didn’t get the blue screen thank god, no powering on/off issues and haven’t used the NDs yet, but I’m having the same battery issues. It goes red within five minutes from a full charge. Not sure if I want to replace my X-T3s with this yet or not.
Great points, man! I got mine and don’t have any issues with the ND, nor with the screen, but some ppl have. How did you remove the plastic cover for the ports???
bro if you are wearing 5.11 gear you are definitely carrying a gun. haha good stuff
I do live in Texas lol
Dang, I have mine coming in today, crossing my fingers that the display and NDs are fine. I guess well find out :/
Any update?
A week is not feasible enough to give this camera a proper review. Especially with the issues some operators are having at the moment. Get back with us after some updates from Blackmagic down the road, thus making the review of this camera a bit more of....a review!
Yoo buddy 😎 I've been searching for a cage that fits the battery grip for the 6k pro, so far heard a rumor it will be available
thanks for the real world update on the 6k pro and the comparison of the 4k unit. The blue screen is an issue for me and the NDs with the color shift i really don't understand that as well, hell how long have Pro video cameras had NDs with no issues which is where I'm looking to migrate from.
Would a 2nd hand C100 II be a better buy for someone who doesn't need raw? Vs the 6k Pro?
Let's say for interviews, product, and food shots?
With so much drama in the swivel screen, it's kinda hard being Blackmagic P-double-C.
Truly informative thank you. Is there any issues editing videos on Premier Pro or does it require to be edited in DaVinici Resolve
You claim not to have an issue with your ND colour shifting but then I can see it colour shift. Am I just seeing things? Also, if the 16-35 cannot balance on this camera when using an industry standard gimbal it's a bit of an issue as it tends to be the go to lens for that type of shooting. Being able to quickly adjust the frame tighter on that lens makes life allot easier.
blackmagic say that you see nd tint when you close the apature try to shoot with close apature and wide lenses interesting to see if there is any shift
I didnt realize it didnt save the files when the battery died. That is an issue that hadnt even occurred to me. Ive never been more conflicted about a camera that I bought already haha.
Do you mean the memory card doesnt save anything you shot if the battery dies?
Whish they would have changed its form factor. Got it with the RS2 as well - but I am unable to balance it with some lenses. Especially with my Aivascope...
I’m ready for an upgrade
I am stuck in between
A73ii
Eos r
And black magic
I am leaving a gh5
bro same boat
Hey mate what lens did you use to film this? the 50mm 1.2?
I contacted Blackmagic about the cool screen on the BMPCC6K PRO and they told me they were going to release a firmware update to fix this.
I had the same battery issue, until I realized I was using the wrong mAh and my batteries f550 but not f570. It should be for optimum results, 3400 mAH. Although, you should be good as long as your battery does indicate f570. I bought some replacements, WASABI brand and it made my battery life go from full to half to red in minutes of recording. When i used the original battery, issue gone!
how do you keep the subject in focus? ... do you rely on focus peaking?
Is the optional EVF accurate for white balance?
Did you ever try the tilta mod for the 6k?
Nice summary, however, i would argue that the key feature of any camera is how good is the low light performance in the real world. Any camera, can perform great in bright light but may be garbage in low lighting situations. It's no good pumping up the ISO and pumping up the noise and trying to convince oneself that, it's ok we can fix that in post because in reality we know , nope that's not going to get accepted and getting rid of noise in post will always come at a price too (not to mention time and effort)
I've watched several videos on these Black Magic pocket cinema cameras (4k-6k pro). What is it that I'm missing about the footage coming right out of the cameras? Because it looks horrible to me.
you didnt add monitor mount and ir cut filter. HDMI Cable and battery for monitor!
I sold my 4K with cage and Metabones for $1800 to upgrade to the 6k pro. Sorry, but the built in NDs and better battery grip so I don’t have to rig completely sold it for me.
I am so done rigging my cameras.
Don’t be sorry it’s a great buy
@@bwashmedia LOL thanks brother. I meant sorry colloquially as I wasn’t being inadvertently critical of your review. I find your expertise regarding the black magic line not only more nuanced than other reviews but more informative and accurate especially your logic over emotions approach to the issues.
I am about to do the same with my 4K , cage & Metabones. Tired of rigging and tired of the flimsiness of the Mount connection.
I use a 4K I might switch and get the tilts flip screen
Your voice is very very similar to John David Washington’s, I was shocked to see you have the same name 😂
I thought there is a pro version of the 4k also with the new screen
Great perspective as always Brandon!
But Damn ist still looks really good man
I do want to move up in my film career. I feel like I need a smaller cinema camera to go into the film/documentary/music. I want my brand and footage to stand out. However I don't have clients like this yet....or the bank...boo. Great video !
So you are in catch 22 🤔 to buy the camera like this you need clients like that, and to get those clients you need camera like this. How do you break out of that loop? Simple
@@UnchartedWorlds yeah I know, still want the camera though!
@@Vijaypall_96 you can do it captain! I believe in you 👊👍
is it kinjaz? at 7:40
Probably would've been good to mention 4K downscaled from 6K will look so much better than 4K from the Pocket 4K camera. I upgraded from the 4K and I only ever felt comfortable exporting in 1080p because of how messed up the image would look once I started to punch into the 4K image.
Isn't there a crop? I know it crops in on the sensor so it also crops into the image
Looks good but nahhh Z Cam E2 S6 is a 6k Pro killer. Guy at B & H said alot of people returning the 6k Pro for the E2 S6 or F6
Lolllllllllll. No.
Yea on my regular 6k if the battery dies it does NOT save my file at all.
Thanks for your thoughts man! As i am saving up for the c70 this camera does make me think... still not sure. Maybe you are planning to compare them anyway 😃
As someone who has both, my biggest draw to the C70 is autofocus, gimbal use, and battery life. I can take the C70 on any run-and-gun shoot. I can mount it on the RS2 and it’ll do all the focusing for me so I don’t have to fiddle with their focusing system on the RS2. Also 1 BP-A30 will last you a couple hours minimum so that is an afterthought for me. I pack 2 BP-A30’s and I’m set. Contrast that to the BMPCC6K Pro where you still have to worry about battery life, and there is only single shot AF so running on a gimbal or handheld means pulling focus. The biggest pros for the 6K Pro are the price and the image with BRAW. So if you aren’t using AF, don’t care about batteries, then the 6K Pro is worth it. If you want a better battery, and AF then the C70 is your camera. I just sold my 6K Pro because the C70 image is so damn good without RAW, and the 6k BRAW was taking up so much space and for what I do nobody really noticed the difference anyway, I just couldn’t justify it anymore.
@@CinemaSteve You just sold your 6k pro? Its been out like a month?
@@Burritosarebetterthantacos there’s no point in my workflow for it. When the C70 does everything I need it to do, I didn’t need another camera sitting around. I’ll probably get another C70 as my B cam at this point just to have another one. The battery life for me was the breaking point, and everything else was the cherry on top.
@@CinemaSteve I'm currently deciding between the two and this take was super helpful!
@@JordanPulmano Glad I could help!
Your screen will start to show correctly give it a few days. The blue tint will go away.
I agree thats exactly what mine did. I still use an external monitor but I love the screen. I can setup shots then adjust from in front of camera.
Yep other then that I have no other issues it’s a beast of a camera.
does it really go away? first time i'm hearing about this.
@@ML-yw4hv mine did
@ML mine did to others have also. Also BM has stated that in the firmware you will have the option to calibrate the screen to match tryout other monitors to.
Anybody noticed light black dot at 2:44 on the left side? Is that something with sensor?
Screen problem: BM has said that the white point of some production screens was set improperly. Firmware fix coming.
As a Black magic owner and long term user, i think they are great cameras, however, like all things which appear to be the "ants pants" u get what you pay for.
Ist Looks like you put an nd on After you got Perfect exposure
Like everythings Fine But still dimm
In the words of Dave Chappelle: "Never be the first to do anything!!"
Old Pro shooters and editors all say the same thing. Wait until RUclipsrs to stop complaining about the bugs (content-content content!) before buying one. I don't understand why people will use a new camera days after release for client work then get frustrated when the camera messes up their shoot.....,
have you tried balancing with the ronin s?
Nope 🤣😆 everyone who buys DJI has no idea how to balance a gimbal
They create issues to stay relevant. 🤣 I support them 100%. They’re awesome!
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thank u Br
I think Sony must be laughing to the bank with the A7S3 :-)
2:35 how big the next “pocket” will be
Love your channel. Love your style and in-depth explanations. Having said that, why would a pro filmmaker NOT meter for white balance?
You really didn't need to add all that stuff to the 4k, except some more batteries. bmpcc 4K for the win. unnecessary spending just gonna make u dizzy.
First comment
Only drama is from less than 10% of the people who actually bought this lol
I'm trying to get over the 🔋life because it sucks.
Seen a video where the 6kpro bricked out on set. That is definitely not good when you are on a paid gig.
Happened to my friends komodo, too. Every camera can fail.
The deal killer for me is that this 6K Pro does not have in camera stabilization.
That battery/save issue is 100% a UX Research/Design issue. A severe oversight by the company. Would hate to be the UXR that let that one slip out the door.
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the sound from the fan are a little too high the camera mic definitely picked it up does anyone else have this problem?
I have the 6K pro. It has a blue shift on the screen. Its noticeable for sure, but it is better after 1 week already. Odd, but it seems to be getting less blue over time as I use it. With a shotgun mic attached to the camera - I never ever have picked up any fan noise. Simply not an issue.
The P4K with a speed booster still makes much more sense.
Most productions don’t want to deal with 6k BRAW as the files are much harder to work with. 6K BRAW over 25p requires much more expensive CFast media to keep up with data rate. You can shoot 4K BRAW on the 6K but the crop factor is worse than on the P4K with no speed booster. You can’t correct the crop factor on the 6K like you can with the P6K by using a speed booster due to the EF mount. That leaves you with shooting full sensor 4K ProRes.....which is still great but .........🤔
I need a second camera and already have the P4K. Id go the 6k pro for the tilt screen and internal NDs but these features are easy to rectify on the 4K by using a $300 1500nit 5” monitor and some screw in Nds. The shortcomings of the P6k on the other hard are not really fixable. Hmmmmmm
Thoughts
it seems there is an early adopter cost. you get to be the beta tester till the work out the kinks
I think I will wait until they fix these issues before I invest.