Destiny debates Great Reset and shadowy conspiracies against James Lindsay, Peter Coffin, Lauren Southern and the Moderator at the better discourse event... Destiny Debates James Lindsay, Actress Nicki Clyne And Nuance Bro ►ruclips.net/video/sMvRx6tKVmM/видео.html IT'S NOT 100% EFFECTIVE - Destiny Clashes w/ Lauren Southern In Live Debate ►ruclips.net/video/qS9m4-1xMu0/видео.html PS. timestamps / chapters aren't working atm, YT will prob fix it soon...
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"RAGEQUIT" lol. As a content creator, when, if ever, will the embarrassment hit? This brand of insufferability must get a lot of clicks. Honestly, the content/editing is better than these rotten titles and thumbnails.
0:33 - Start of introductions. 1:34 - Great reset, Conspiracy or reality? 2:40 - Discussion of stakeholder theory. 7:03 - Destinys thoughts on stakeholder theory. 8:20 - The moderator asks Destiny a question. 8:56 - Destiny disagrees. 10:05 - The moderator moves to James, who iterates the discussion is now on corporate investment strategy, not policy. 14:39 - Destiny speaks, and disagrees with James on what is Fascism. (lol Laurens's face) 14:51 - James counters, and asks Destiny how many books Klaus Schwabs have you read. 14:53 - Destiny answers none, instead asks for a definition of what Fascism would incorporate into this. 15:15 - Peter Coffins speaks, says were probably been in a fascist state for a long time following James statement. 15:16 - BWEOP 15:19 - Destiny explains his point. 16:20 - Conversation steers into economics. 17:01 - Peter says why can't they do that then? (in reference to Destiny's point about companies owning the world). 17:16 - Peter brings up how there are 40 trillion dollars in the world, and these companies own 20 trillion. (wrong actually, there is 40 trillion in PHYSICAL money, and also it is estimated that there is $1000 trillion in wealth across the globe). 17:27 - Lauren, tries to end the argument by saying the panel agrees that rich people own the world. (fails). 17:47 - Convo continues, Peter argues it's not a consumer market tho. 18:41 - Moderator comes into save the day (peters specifically). 19:21 - James ruins the convo and resorts to personal attacks. (gigachad whoever was the guy in the back who said asshole) 19:23 - Destiny nonetheless continues and says how most people don't understand finance or how investing works. 20:23 - James disagrees with Destiny on the company's power ability. 20:58 - Peter agrees with James (prob just to shit on Destiny lul). 22:16 - Debate returns to great reset, James gives his own interpretation. 22:47 - Destiny asks James definition of central planning. 23:00 - Destiny disagrees with James definition. 24:22 - James indulges in his own conspiracy theory about Klaus Schwab and points out how gullible people are, ex: 2008 on mortgage-backed securities. 26:12 - Destiny argues that there is nothing for him to even tackle because James point is saying nothing. (goes hard) 27:26 - Lauren comes into the conversation, and argues the right sucks at presenting the great reset. 29:40 - Convo transforms into what is capitalism. 32:00 - Peter agrees with James again (this guy contributes jack shit to the argument lul). 33:00 - Destiny argues with Moderator. 34:01 - James brings up Disney as a failing company (oMEGALUL). 34:30 - Destiny brings up how spineless James is. 36:20 - James talks about how these organization wants to follow the Chinese models of the economy. 39:10 - The moderator brings up the digital dollar an executive order brought up to urgently pursue a CBDC. Asks James is this connected to Klaus Schwab. 41:40 - Destiny disagrees with the future, and says there won't be digital dollars that are programmable. 43:10 - Lauren brings up China, Destiny asks are China and the US the same. 44:33 - James calls Destiny his brother (holy shit new lore, also why does this guy sound like capitalist Hasan :pepe:). 45:45 - Lauren and James are arguing that the great reset is using covid to expedite a bunch of new digital identity control over our life (bruh you have fucking cellphones and computers that can track your digital life far better in quantity and quality WAY before covid.) 46:32 - Lauren again figuratively shits on the right. 48:10 - Wow Destiny and Peter agree on something (amazing). 52:23 - The moderator asks James if you oppose ESGs, then what would you advise legislators or people to do. 55:10 - Destiny disagrees with James wording. 57:17 - Destiny explains what the conspiracy is. 1:00:10 - Destiny doubles down on his take. 1:01:35 - An audience member asks a question, Lauren answers is that globalization is inevitable, but thinks that it is sped up by corporate interests. 1:02:30 - Lauren and her friends love immigration (oMEGALUL). 1:05:20 - James talks about boats (im bored as fuck). 1:00:10 - Destiny 100% agrees with an audience member. 1:10:20 - Destiny goes hard again. 1:15:00 - James seething. 1:16:20 - Destiny dog pills on crypto. Overall, boring debate and not interesting 3/10.
No bs it took this little break for me to realize how great destiny’s RUclips content has been. Constant uploads, well edited and selected topics from streams. Legendary work August
@@DatHombre Dawg, have you seen some random BD debate? I Steve has battled intellectual brilliancy at these events such as the guy who argued black people aren't put in jail more than white people. When reminded that he should look at per capita stats, he countered it doesn't matter because there are more white people than black people. Also he didn't know what per capita was anyway, then again if you want black conservatives to appear on your show, pickers can't be choosers. Point is, for thi event. That panel was high quality 🤌
@Rose Anne Boushard Me and all the other 8 year olds who watch Destiny do not appreciate you talking about our leader that way. Tread carefully. The Daliban is not to be trifled with. Also COPE, SEETHE, MALD. Thank you, have a nice day. :D
Also notice how noone will actually tak about specific instances its always vague allusions to corruption and when any allusion is pushed its immediately walked back (Disney example)
Yeah ive been caught up in the fear of the future mindset in the past. I think this was a good debate. I enjoyed both sides. I do like more practical conversations tho.
Here's why everyone hates Destiny: Destiny basically says: reality is complex and your very biased narrative is just an iversimplification of how the world really works. And people can't take that. They just can't. God forbid we'd actually have an interesting conversation about reality that isn't trying to sell some wild narrative for entertainment.
@@zauxst There's a difference between hiding from a conversation and recognizing that an issue is more complex than one would care to admit. Saying "I don't know" is far more respectable than jumping to conclusions that don't line up with reality.
@@zauxst if you’re willing to go into the weeds on the topic and discuss the micro issues instead of the macro overarching narrative it is in no way shape or form demonstrating that you “don’t know” the issue. Which on more than one occasion destiny has not only been willing to discuss each and every issue but often knows more about the micro than the people with these huge broad narratives.
The beginning is Destiny's bootleg recording from the audience. The box that's overlaid at 17:00, which then has better audio, is the official recording from their channel. /watch?v=_l56asXMpxw
So the UK stopped selling free range eggs because the chickens are at risk due to an outbreak of bird flu. The chickens are still producing eggs but due to being in a barn for over a month, they can't be classified as free range and have been relabelled as barn eggs. This is not an attempt to squash small businesses
This to me was the funniest point made in the debate. Not only am I pretty sure she thinks it was because of covid, she was stating it as if it was a bad idea. And conservatives around the world will just nod their heads lmfao
@@dingo4229 yeah these small businesses are gonna struggle way more with dead chickens than barn raised chickens. You know if they enforced free range eggs they'd just say that small businesses don't have the land to keep up with free range regulations. Literally can't win
The "people in third world countries are more free!" comment made me feel a bit sick as a Mexican. How does poverty, being exploited in your job or suffering job insecurity, a high violent crime rate, make one more free? Well, from the perspective of a relatively wealthy foreigner it does make sense. You come here, cost of living is low to you and no one asks you to wear a mask. You live in a safe, expensive area. That's not fucking freedom, it's that money is law, you have money so you are ok. Everyone else, though? It's a lawless place. And most locals are actually asked to wear a mask indoors (and even show vaccine certificates, god forbid), lol, foreigners get a pass because it's assumed they'll leave a large tip or will actually buy something at a store so people bend over backwards for them. So free.
Believe it or not, there are some people in third world countries who believe that too. They'd rather live in poverty and corruption with sky high crime rates and be more "free" over living in first world countries with systems that work. It's just lunacy.
Your comment reminds me of how I feel about white RUclipsrs who used to love how free China was when they went there, until the CCP started cracking down hard on them too.
Because you can pay with cash, duh. Ironically, I am from South Africa, currently residing in Germany. SA was leagues ahead of Germany in the whole 'cashless economy' setup. So, in some 'third world countries' you don't even have the freedom of cash.
Also jokes how Lauren went into every sentence like "yes the right are wrong when they say it's some big conspiracy" and then by the end of the sentence she's saying "and that is why authoritarians are covertly taking over and turning us into China"
@@TimbahOnToast same here, your dave rubin series was the nudge I needed to stop consuming wacky right wing content. Who knows where I would be without it rn lol
Every time Destiny gets into debates like these I always tell myself I should learn how capital markets work. I can't navigate this conversation at all.
Global markets are insane, man. "Debt" doesn't even mean debt anymore once you hit the global market; it can be entire futures, assets, economies, future of assets, hell even farts in the wind. The legalities and the way interest is calculated is also pretty different compared to personal/company loans. This is even more wild once you realize that the amount of money in circulation doesn't even affect the value of a currency, but rather everything that transpires in the global market. In fact, debt tends to be a hallmark for a developing society, as moderate inflation as a result of accrued debt stabilizes an economy. I don't have an angle on it either, but the world of money honestly makes very little sense.
I didn't even notice the giga yawn when he was finished texting. That man was on like 3 hours of sleep max and still managed to coherently run the conversation.
@@fancynecrosi1848 it's also been pretty common in pretty well most democracies, because you know... communism isn't democratic. By its very nature it can't be. It requires gate keepers
It is a very particular reason: Better Discourse leans far to the right and so they try to pick "leftists" who either mostly have right wing views, actively play lapdog for the right, or who are both too dumb to push back against right wing narratives and too dumb to stop themselves from pushing right wing narratives
I don't think I can remember ever seeing a better discourse panel where it wasn't a 1 vs 4 (biased moderator included) so I assume it's set up deliberately like that. Even in one of the debates with a socialist (I think), that person was still mainly anti-Dem.
James Lindsay is an absolutely fascinating figure. His research on left leaning literature is quite decent compared to most conservatives, but then when it comes to drawing connections between concepts and topics he completely loses the plot and dives right into these weird shadowy cabal conspiracies. It's beyond interesting to see someone with such asymmetrical analytical skills. It's like the minds of a professor and a toddler fight for their voice to be heard. Like that toddler is using academic analytical skills to explore his made up fantasy world. Absolutely wild stuff. Conservatives often recite Lindsay's "grievance studies affair", in which he and two others applied bogus papers to humanities journals in the hopes of them getting released. One third did get released, but this entire thing was questionable, because the journals they got released in were mainly low impact ones while the more prestigious journals often rejected their applications outright or requested revising and rewriting, basically teaching them how to write a proper humanities paper in the process. What's also flimsy is that they made up data to support their claims and pointed to the peer review process not catching it, but this is not how peer review works. You can only review the methodology and theoretical frameworks being applied properly, the results need to be tested through replication. If data is unique, peer reviewers are required to give the data the benefit of the doubt to invite other researchers to try and replicate it. That's how science, and yes also soft science, works. It's absolutely baffling how James doesn't know or recognize this and it ironically tells us more about his own academic legitimacy and the field he comes from. At least the humanities own the fact they're dealing with many normative frameworks and that their measurements have impact on the results. James is a fraud, but one of the more interesting frauds on the internet. I highly recommend checking out his stuff to see for yourself. Also, follow him on Twitter to see how spite driven he is. He's the epitome of a blindfolded ideologue.
That is such a great description. I don't know this person or their internet presence, but like you said, they do have an above average grasp on concepts; but their need to connect it to such absurd fantasies that they depict as either reality, or a likely future scenario is hilarious at best.
@@isaiahthomas6744 This was a literal terrible summarization of Lindsay, and a downplaying of what he showed, and then called him a fraud. What a joke. Your ideologies are seething off of both of you and it’s nauseating.
Not sure I'm fully with you on that last paragraph but otherwise fair. It's odd to see James Lindsey who seems to be a rational calculated person suddenly descend into your average twitch streamer.
I’ve become increasingly convinced most of the legwork was done by Peter Boghossian and Helen Pluckrose, who have managed to not fall into conspiracy theorizing the same way Lindsay has.
Can we just appreciate how shockingly wrong Peter Coffin was at estimating the amount of wealth in the world? "There are 40 trillion dollars, they have 20 trillion" According to the latest data, there are over 1000 trillion dollars in wealth around the world. Off by almost two orders of magnitude, incredible.
He is confused because there's approximately $40 trillion in physical money. Anyone who has most of their wealth in actual cash is incredibly poor or stupid.
@@kkirT you do just mean physical MONEY right? Like a particular currency? Because physical wealth will always be king. Gold etc. Because when revolution comes (and it will) and the regime changes, the currency will change and your $USD will be worth nothing.
@@aydenr5467 it will be king when the revolution comes, but when the revolution comes index funds will be worthless since all their assets are non-physical, so its a mute comparison still.
I absolutely love watching Destiny's face as someone says something controversial/stupid. You can see the exact moment his hamster stops the wheel and the "debate bro angry brain" turns on.
He's becoming zen like with how well he holds himself back and always keeping things on track. It's admirable to see because it's so clearly obvious that he is putting a lot of effort into it. :)
When Lauren talked about UK people using the pandemic as an excuse to ban free range chickens I was super surprised as someone living in London. Googled it only to find that birds are being kept indoors because of an outbreak of bird flu. And you can’t label birds who’ve been kept indoors so long as free range, so a bunch of eggs are being relabelled. Way less ridiculous when you read the whole story. Oh and yes there are strict biosecuirity standards being set (because of the bird flu) and larger farms have been able to react better to those standard. But like Destiny pointed out, that’s always the case with any kind of regulation any government sets.
44:00 As an Australian, Lauren is wrong. Most of us havent been checking in using the covidsafe app in several weeks (a few outliers withstanding) and so far mandatory checkins have ceased in all major public places. I’ve been to museums, clubs, pubs, restaurants, movies etc. within the past month and none of them have required a check in. Flat out misinformation and fear mongering.
She also lied about the UK chickens, one google search away and you learn that this was not because of COVID but because of bird flu and the reason they cannot be free range is because they are forced to stay inside to protect the hens, so therefor they cannot be labelled as free range.
Basically every single argument from Destiny boiled down to this, didn't it? Almost sounds like a shill for WEF and the mega corps. And he's considered a leftist?
@@spectralisation It seems like he just hasn't done any research on the topic. He's trying to logically argue on capitalistic concepts rather than what's actually happening in the world.
I found out about Destiny's channel through the Aba n Preach / Hasan Shiter drama. I really respect the no BS realistic debate style. I'm learning a lot from this channel. Also it feels like Destiny is the only panelist in the video who's actually there to debate instead of to be right.
Except Lindsay knew more. Destiny was ignorant of the 2008 details and the WEF's admitted intentions. He was typically pro-establishment for this debate but it just didn't make sense and he had zero evidence, just a hunch that no one is fucking with his money in these funds. Not good enough.
@@VIEWITIS totally agree. I don’t know what they were watching. I like destiny but he was weirdly confident without much knowledge. These areas are really his weak spot bc, for someone who was one of the first independent Internet personalities, he is BIZARRELY PRO-ESTABLISHMENT. Maybe it’s having money? But just SUPER naive about the ruling class.
@@amandamcgovern5744 unfortunately in this sphere of the net many of Destiny viewers like blood sport and trendy terms when used. I would imagine that most of his main hard-core audience are like reddiors and young people who like seeing a person they dislike (or they think they dislike) lose. James knows way more then Destiny here and makes more sense but Destiny had internet charisma and that goes a long way
I know right? The irony is I'd bet anything the original author would likely tell most of these people "No, that's not quite what I meant". Just secondhand opinions.
Another brilliant round of "this could be a problem, someone should fix it, even though I have zero solutions on how to remedy it. Look how smart I am for pointing it out though."
@@irontail06 He could've been on a panel with other Critical Race Theorists though and maybe had an in depth discussion about it. I'd honestly like to hear Destiny's deeper take on it
@@chriswinkler4663 No, I’m saying “what if” questions are important to ask, we have to look at possible various outcomes, that’s how we avoid them. You don’t wait until it’s happening.
@@cryptocaesar8972 Did we watch the same video? All of those what ifs were meant to cause panicked fear spirals. None of them actually made sense when you think about people investing in securities. It felt like someone trying to scare people into not investing money... Oh, I just noticed your name. Believe what you want to believe dude.
James Lindsay has a below elementary school level understanding of capital markets. He actually believes that people with millions/billions invested in a capital fund with simply accept lower than average returns because the fund tells them to. If you don't show consistently high returns, people will take their money out of the fund. It's that simple.
@@williamkelley1971 You don't understand stakeholder capitalism then. The WEF is working with the UN, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, etc to promote the Great Reset via Agenda 2030. The goal is to capture the financial markets by setting up incentives for those who play along (negative interest rates, carbon credits, etc.) and punishing those who don't comply (weaponizing CBDCs, digital IDs, and smart cities, etc). The goal of the Great Reset is to create a rich elite's playground at the average person's expense via the further normalization of a track, trace, and database society. How do you stand up to the people in power if they can control nearly every aspect of your life? You really can't. That's the end game.
@@lukaswithakay Just purely incorrect and the fascism comment stands. You are looking at things that happen and saying “this is capitalism” forcible suppression and government entangling with corporations is not capitalism, it is not part of the definition of capitalism. Capitalism is about competition and private ownership of goods. There is in fact a scale where you own the country that is no longer capitalism. Please educate yourself on this topic.
@14:40 "none of this has anything to do with fascism" The merging of corporations and the government has nothing to do with fascism??? That is literally the essence of fascism
No. It doesn't. Merging coeporations and government has literally nothing to do with fascism. If you mean that a government giving large quantities of help to big business in exchange for a hyper-acute pursuit of national interest, you would have an argument. Of course I would very easily wave that aside by providing examples of American business that actively operate outside our borders and against the national interest of America, not because they are traitorous or anything; but because they are free and exist within a capitalist framework. Got it?
@@FireGod1101 "merging corporations and government has literally nothing to do with fascism" Yes, it does. This is literally from the man who coined the phrase "fascism". If your point is that it cant be fascism because there are factories overseas, then you are missing the point. These people want a one world government, so merging corporation with the government, while also pushing for a one world government, is still fascism. You just broadened your borders to encompass the globe, instead of a country. In other words, the methods of fascism, but on steroids.
@@weefy117 You have a dialog tree apparently. Let me try my best to use statements you can engage with. "Factories overseas" is not the only thing these corporations create. They create new jobs and products which get consumed by that nations' populace. "These people want a one world government" next I assume you will say the UN and NATO are examples of some early stage test to determine viability? Just like the people on stage you just spout off these magnanimous claims with no evidence and what little evidence you claim to have is written by a wildly controversial figure whose viewpoints have always been met with skepticism as he has been ranting and raving about secret collusion for literal decades. And the man who coined fascism also denoted to differences in the different specifics of what fascism encompasses. Tell me, who coined it and what is it you're describing? Hint: it is not fascism, it's a facet of it. (While you may not care about the differentiation of it, you should)
@@FireGod1101 "you have a dialog tree apparently, so let me try my best to use statements you can engage with" Im not going to continue to respond to a condescending douchebag. You are obviously in "dunk" mode, and have no interest in actual discourse. Go fuck yourself
@@weefy117this is what happens when you take one quote at face value, but don’t go any deeper. Firstly, corporatism is not the sole prevue of fascism. Non-fascist movements have, and continue, to endorse corporatist t. One of the lead proponents of modern liberalism (academic definition), John Stuart Mills, expressed corporatism ideas. Nordic social democrats express corporatist ideas. Even communist China expresses corporatist ideas. It may be an element of fascism, but corporatism is not in itself necessarily fascist. It is merely a way of ‘managed capitalism’ in that it is neither state capitalism (communism in Soviet practice) nor is it completely free market. It’s a vague ideology with broad application across the political spectrum, meaning taking Mussolini’s words at face value is misleading at best and outright deceptive at worst. Secondly fascist corporatism is not what the United States has. Corporatism under Mussolini was about all elements of society being under a totalitarian regime, which necessitated that all corporations effectively being under state control and guidance, yet still technically being in private and. It was like having the state have 90% of the say on the board. The state has much, much, much less control over corporations in the United States, and to compare the two is to simply ignore how they function in practice.
This is why Destiny can look good when it comes to finance. He doesn’t know much at all about finance yet the people he talks with know absolutely nothing
@@Lewa500 Uhm no. I can go through Destiny’s actual beliefs regarding things like economic rationality to fiduciary duties. Destiny knows very little about finance. Saying he has held his own with financiers and economists is, at best, you doing a fallacious appeal to authority which is illogical. It is you, by definition, making an incorrect argument. If I was feeling less charitable, I would present to you the Nobel laureate Eugene Fama.
@@MrHelsy Well one particularly fun time was when Destiny was using a paper to support his position that economic rationality is a thing that happens sufficiently often that, not only is it a thing that can happen, but that it happens frequently enough that it can be an assumption. He did this even though the author very explicitly states in unambiguous language that economic rationality as he laid it out was not descriptively accurate
23:15 - the central issue is whether that cabal or leaders in the boardroom is ultimately still responsible to the market or not, and more narrowly whether capital can move elsewhere in a non-catastrophic way if the cabal oversteps or acts a against the interest of the shareholders. James hasn’t proven that, at least so far
@@WeDoNotCare1 he’s completely wrong, but that’s what you get from a non- college grad with 0 work experience in finance. I’ll give an example: Destiny claims dollars chase highest returns - specifically fund manager reduces returns by pushing non-profitable ESG policies, dumping of non-compliant companies etc. Hedge funds have under performed the S&P for at least two decades. If Destiny’s premise is correct, how do these non- performing hedge funds still have funding? Why is that funding not pouring into S&P tracking indexes?
Loved her claim about the pandemic being used as an excuse to get rid of free range hens 😂 We've had an outbreak of bird flu which means that hens have had to be kept inside so they no longer meet the "free range" qualification"
@@Lochness19 Yes, a highly pathogenic varient of avian flu is now endimic in wild birds forcing farmers to keep birds indoors or cull. They normally have to keep the birds indoors for seasonal outbreaks but this is the first time they've had to keep them indoors extensively and thus they cannot market the eggs as free range.
lol someone has to explain to me (calmly please, not looking for a fight) how the Great Reset, which has literally been titled, written about, & publicly addressed by its own creators can reasonably be considered a conspiracy theory
I believe by claiming that it has enough support by powerful people to be implemented and that it will change more things than what can be reasonably inferred from the Great Reset literature, and also tying it into a NWO theory can also place it in conspiracy theory territory. I don’t know much about the Great Reset theory, but I hope this helps.
Because its actual scope, specificities, and intention to be implemented by some sort of shadowy ruling class are all entirely blown out of proportion. They act like Klaus Schwab was outlining a grand design which would be put into place against people’s wishes, instead of what it is which is essentially pitching very soft ideas within an intellectual circle of economists - hence why so many terms like “redefine humanity” can’t be defined clearly by the people fearmongering about it, because not even Schwab or anyone else had something specific in mind for them.
I live in a little city just south of Seattle. I do ubereats so I deliver for a lot of establishments. "Cashless and proud of it is a thing." I have been doing deliveries since covid to present. I can count on two hands how many times I have been tipped in cash. Cashlessness is the trend here. It didn't used to be a short time ago. I'm seeing this change in real time.
"Fascism is the fusion of public and private" - James Lindsay. Dude. This guy reads tens of CRT books and is stuck at the baby stage of spitting out the ahistorical, lolbert falsehood that fascism is corporatism.
@Active Measures right wing authoritarian ultranationalism. The two most stupid memes of the terminally online right wing: "Government is communism" "Corporations is fascism" The lack of self awareness is astounding.
@@theophilegaudin2329 Fascism as it was founded in Italy was all about nationalism as you say but also promoted a corporatist economy. But governments we'd call fascist has often had different economic ideas. Leading the blanket term to more or less remove the economic aspect since it was mostly ultra nationalism that seemed to bind fascist states together.
@@wingy252 just because fascism was corporatist doesn't mean that any corporatism is motivated by a fascist ideology. If A then B doesn't mean if B then A. It's really a basic logical error and I'm surprised that a mathematician like Lindsay does it, and confidently so.
Fascism is literally just national syndicalism. It’s when all of the industries within a nations economy are collected into various trade unions/corporations (the term corporation was created by fascists), and the “corporations” (from the Latin corpus, meaning body) act as “organs of the state”. Essentially all production , and distribution, is controlled by the state and for the “greater good” of the nation. James’s definition while I would say is more or less correct, was very poorly worded and lacked very important details
Uh he did name them, WEF, Black rock and Vanguard, and the people who run them, Klaus Shuab and Larry Fink, and mostly, he's correct on what they've said, as it's all quite public or even written into books such as Klaus's 'Great Reset', Destiny's contention is that they will fail despite having 50 trillion dollars to muscle with, because good faith investors won't go along, and time will tell
Who cares? Like if I asked anyone if *they* cared, *they* would probably be like nah. *they* really wouldnt care, and if *they* did, it would be because *they* dont like you. Seriously, go ask *them* if they care.
@@keithfilibeck2390 Flat eathers constantly: 1. Mention NASA, Elon Musk and specific astronauts but do not understand anything about the underlying science, technology or institutions. 2. Quotemine sentences or phrases from documents without honest representation or understand of the context. 3. Pretend they are part of the frontline in the fight against a worldwide conspiracy. 4. Communicate that only they have access to this secret truth. Practically all conspiracy theorists rely on their ability to "point to stuff" that seems superficially consistent with their grand narrative. They then collect these references and take a lot of liberties in stitching together a grand narrative that is psychologically convenient in recruiting as many people as possible: He is literally shouting about a takeover by a fascist-communist elite (THEY) and turning the west into China.
@@keithfilibeck2390 You know that Vanguard and BlackRock have a duty to represent their investors, right? The 50T is assets under management, not cash.
as someone who used to do Audio / Video work for my church, thank you for the improved audio around 17 minutes! I get it doesn't always work it, but thank you for the improvement
@@cryptocaesar8972 Did you pay attention? Lindsay said that Vanguard purchased stock to stop Elon from buying Twitter, and that didn't stop him from purchasing it.
James Lindsay brings up a ton of specific examples, from the cruise industry’s and COVID to blackrock and Vanguard pushing ESG’s on companies, literally all Destiny does this debate is go “..I just don’t see it”, yeah no shit you don’t seem to know or see anything.
What really happens doesn't matter to leftists, for them reality is always an empty canvas on which to paint their destructive ideals that they hold so dear
@Emanuel they use terminology when it suits them and not when it’s consistent with their previously stated principles
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You can ba against some parts of Marxism and for others, you don't have to swallow any set of ideas or ideology wholesale. Just putting it out there, I don't like the guy at all.
It's because his ideology is a capitalism inside of a libertarianism inside of a fascism inside of a communism. A capitalibertofasciocommunism. Or a libertocapicommunofascism. *insert blank Glenn Beck stare*
Is James Lindsey the new Dave Rubin? His fearmongering rant against ESG scores seems to serve certain sectors of industry, not necessarily ordinary people.
His misinfo is actually really pervasive. I'm starting to see anti-sjws claim that "wokeness" in media is due to BlackRock manipulating companies for their ESG score. I think this actually began as some 4chan post. It's r3tardation all the way down.
Slightly more intelligent than Davey, but just as insecure and incapable of sustaining any argument due to a painful lack of understanding and ignorance on ( insert topic here ).
Destiny is really good at presenting real-world systems vs the caricature constructed by conservatives. The only way we can critique, or change, the system is by engaging with the actual, real-world system, not the caricature
Everything is debated as a caricature. Makes it easier to strawman if you over emphasise a point and then attack it’s extreme version. The left loves “fascist/nazi” and the right loves “groomer/nazi” at this point in time.
Not sure if he's all that good at presenting real world systems, as he presents a sort of basic dumbed down version of what is happening in real life. "The only way we can critique, or change, the system is by engaging with the actual, real-world system, not the caricature" Obviously not true, Commies of old critiqued, and changed the system of their country by engaging with a caricature, and leftists of today have been very successful in doing so as well. Others have also.
The Beauty of statements made by her is that there is most likely 5% truth in them. Just enough that if someone calls bullshit she can point somewhere but no where near enough to ever be right.
@@lemon93 Neither I nor Lindsay made that claim. ESG is simply a tool that is going to quicken the rise of a corporate neo-feudalist society. If you are concerned about freedom and democracy you should definitely take the great reset seriously. But Destiny is pro-globalism so that could be why he's been downplaying this. Still even he's admitted that he hasnt read any of the literature or video conferences from the WEF, I have a feeling once he actually looks into it more he's going to realize how sketchy it actually is.
@@ericstein8019 I believe he reversed his position on trans athletes, and overall has become significantly less favorable towards socialism in the past 3 years or so.
James Lindsay strikes me as the kind of person who absolutely loves to listen to his own voice saying certain words that vaguely point in a certain political direction and doesn't really care much about the contents of what is said... ...I bet he listens to his own videos when he works out :V Also was wondering if he would fold under preasure in an open debate. Can't say I'm disappointed :3
James Lindsay: “The World Economic Forum is made up of the 1500 biggest corporations in the world!” Well yeah that’s what I would expect… “The said they want to help transition to a better world” That sounds pretty good other than your sinister spin on it…. “And they start meetings with a corporate ritual!” Literally satanic panic…. Dude brings nothing to the conversation
@@hippipdip Don't blame twitter. Lindsay's entire career - website, books, podcast - is being financed by a "Christian nationalist" lunatic named Michael O'Fallon, who thinks social justice is satanic. He's being paid to spew insane nonsense.
Yes! I'm a gamer so I can confirm this comment. Except I don't think it's that popular, it's kinda indie because it takes a lot of skill and not everyone can handle it (I play on PC so I'm used to playing high skill games but most people don't have the skill to play PC games).
just realized how weird it is that even at in-person debates they call him destiny. never think about how odd it is that his screen name has basically become his identity
ESG is like a secondary Credit Score for companies, if they want loans or to refinance debt, the Banks often use ESG as a evaluation of what kind of loan or refinancing they can get. ESG can directly contradict whats the best interest for a company, but they are forced into using it.
Uhm the chicken thing is they are removing the labeling of free range until the hens can go outside of the barns because of a rise in the bird flue. So I love how some people like to read things not based on the words but based how they want to interpret words.
Listening to Destiny talking about the markets, shows me he knows just enough to make some good sound bites. But all his "feelings" and "thoughts" amount to an overly rosy picture and even simplistic view of how all the various markets actually work and interoperate. Literally made me cringe a few times.
@@griffinembry9071 i cant tell if you are serious, or if you have no idea that you've been steeped in culturally responsive training and critical pedagogy as a rule. Perhaps it is now simply the air you breathe...
Oh my god the part where Destiny presses Lindsey on racketeering only for literally everyone to jump to protect him was the death knell of the debate. Dude got clowned on and needed three goons and a sympathetic audience to show up.
That was insane. He wants some investment companies choosing to create funds for people to buy to be called “racketeering.” Who’s being extorted? Who’s being coerced? The perfect counter to everything being said was Destiny just saying “anyone can invest in anything they want, capital markets are the most liquid thing in the world for the movement of money.”
I'm so glad that our wonderful, benevolent banks, corporations and government agencies are working to promote equity, sustainability, inclusion, and all that other good stuff. The pure unselfishness of their goals gives me faith in human nature. Their devotion to creating a better world gives me a warm fuzzy feeling and makes me feel that I'm loved! I am happy - nay, delighted - to have them monitor everything I do and say and use their advanced behavior modification techniques to curb my bad habits. As someone who is older, I envy younger people who will have so much more time than I will to experience this ideal new reality they are creating. Hallelujah!
I like Destiny, I like James. James Lindsay wins today. Destiny's pov is too simple; very logic but there's more to account for than his analysis permits.
Ah, this is great. ESG implementation has been my work nightmare for a while!! Destiny, I recommend looking into ESG more. It is definitely on the horizon and companies are pretty concerned about demonstrating how they meet the regulations.
Also, this guy's commentary on how ESG scores are demonstrated, dictated, and used is not exactly right. We are still waiting on official government bodies that will set out the rules. Now we are leveraging existing frameworks by specialty organizations that are looking at reporting requirements, current rules, projected rules, and designing frameworks companies can use to build their ESG program. Banks won't come up with their own frameworks, they'll have the industry standards to assess companies, not some arbitrary 'they have good ESG' or 'they have bad ESG'.
G-score.. this guy is driving me crazy. $1M ESG execs??? Where??? Unless you're in an industry like oil and gas where you are fucking the environment this is a preposterous statement.
A lot of ESG is also exactly as Destiny referenced in the marketing comment.. it's an attempt to build environmental, social, and governance concerns/risks/practices into a company's strategic objectives and operating principles to 1) make it easy to follow and 2) these things have positive impacts on companies.. happier employees, more transparency, resilient operations, etc. ESG has also been in talks for a while. It's not some new boogy man that came out of nowhere. We also have the COSO framework that majority of public companies follow which addresses majority of the G in ESG.
@@TonyCox1351 we are anticipating greater reporting requirements out of ESG and potentially higher demands to ensure the accuracy of what we are reporting (e.g., if you're reporting that you reduced x environmental factor or improved y in employee satisfaction, you're going to have to demonstrate how you determined that with auditable data). But totally agree. We have been dealing with government regulation for years. SOX was a massive effort by companies but ultimately is better for the market and shareholders.
I fucking love it when people who say, "I read this book so I know more than you!" get shit on when Destiny actually makes them expand on that. 99% of the time, they don't even remember what the book stated, but also on that 1% chance they do, they usually just memorize a few tidbits from it and believe the book is some source of objective truth.
No matter what they say he pretends they don't make sense. Destiny is a contrarian shill who offers nothing of substance or wants anything to improve. Leftist pos
I hate when intelligent conversations drift into conspiracies or assumptions. James and Lauren tend to drift into those categories. I see why Destiny becomes annoyed with this tactic.
True, it just poisons any conversation because of the amount of specific knowledge that is needed to counter conspiracy theories. And by the way, what happened with the conspiracy theory that "they" won't allow Musk to take over Twitter?
Nothing said here was conspiracy theory. You’re utilizing the word conspiracy theory to try and discredit people’s argument. The reality is if you take a billionaire vs a minimum wage worker, the billionaire has more control and more power than the minimum wage worker. When you get a conglomeration of 20 billionaires, they have massive control over things. It’s delusional to argue otherwise.
he was funny with the grievance studies, then when you see he does exactly what he fearmongers about (racism in the gaps -> wokism in the gaps) his grift becomes obvious. dudes a paranoiac fueled by Rufo / Koch bucks
Destiny debates Great Reset and shadowy conspiracies against James Lindsay, Peter Coffin, Lauren Southern and the Moderator at the better discourse event...
Destiny Debates James Lindsay, Actress Nicki Clyne And Nuance Bro ►ruclips.net/video/sMvRx6tKVmM/видео.html
IT'S NOT 100% EFFECTIVE - Destiny Clashes w/ Lauren Southern In Live Debate ►ruclips.net/video/qS9m4-1xMu0/видео.html
PS. timestamps / chapters aren't working atm, YT will prob fix it soon...
Ronald Weasley groaned, slumped down around the common room fire ."keep sucking, hermy!"
Hermione gagged but kept working!
[THE NEXT DAY]
Hermione nudged Harry's invisibility cloak affectionately. "What are you doing-!!" Hermione gasped as a his stiffy poked against her cold body. She wrapped her tiny hand around the offending object
She was frozen in their heat. "fooken wot" hermione was shocked by the thickness. She was stupified.
THIS JUST IN; CNN NEWSROOM
BREAKING NEWS president Andrew Yang and Bernie Sanders enacted legislation to allow postage via owls! We're going to bloody HOGWARTS!!!!! (Authors note: You can still see one post xqc and snape but vaush moderator deleted my other 3 stories! Enjoy!! KappaPride)
Excitement swelled in young Destiny as he entered platform 9 3/4
ALL ABOARD TO HOGWARTS
Hasan was a 17 year old Gryffindor prefect. His job during on the Hogwarts Express was to let the boys know about the azkaban escapee Sirius Black
Mr mouton: my whole family was Hufflepuff
Vaush spoke pretentiously: im no puff
Destiny had a big old tome on his lap.
Destiny turned to the next page.
Mr mouton pulled out his limp soft wand.
Mouton sadly wiggled it, cluelessly.
Destiny looked cute as he licked it. Magic spurted out the end of moot's stick. Hasan saw this thru the sliding door window. He screamed
Hey August, couldn't you get the video from the event organizer? I watched on Odysee and the audio quality was better
"RAGEQUIT" lol. As a content creator, when, if ever, will the embarrassment hit? This brand of insufferability must get a lot of clicks. Honestly, the content/editing is better than these rotten titles and thumbnails.
@@Bloody_Orchid I tried finding the vod on Odysee, but it wasn't there when I searched up better discourse.
@@mypartyisprivate8693 not that deep
Will Peter be well rested this debate or will Destiny make him tired again...
I think Peter is beset by tiredness
@@evolution__snow6784 on all sides
Tune in next time on Dragon Ball Z.
I don't know about that but this audio is going to make me tired superfast 🤬
@@sathrielsatanson666 I agree. Was hoping there would be raw audio but oh well.
Steven walked up on stage like he was the cup stacking champion.
Omg lmfao. Why the fuck is that so gd funny to me? Haahaha wow that was good. I needed that
lmao
@@darrinstanfill6846 it was funny as hell lol
Good one
He is!! ☺️
0:33 - Start of introductions.
1:34 - Great reset, Conspiracy or reality?
2:40 - Discussion of stakeholder theory.
7:03 - Destinys thoughts on stakeholder theory.
8:20 - The moderator asks Destiny a question.
8:56 - Destiny disagrees.
10:05 - The moderator moves to James, who iterates the discussion is now on corporate investment strategy, not policy.
14:39 - Destiny speaks, and disagrees with James on what is Fascism. (lol Laurens's face)
14:51 - James counters, and asks Destiny how many books Klaus Schwabs have you read.
14:53 - Destiny answers none, instead asks for a definition of what Fascism would incorporate into this.
15:15 - Peter Coffins speaks, says were probably been in a fascist state for a long time following James statement.
15:16 - BWEOP
15:19 - Destiny explains his point.
16:20 - Conversation steers into economics.
17:01 - Peter says why can't they do that then? (in reference to Destiny's point about companies owning the world).
17:16 - Peter brings up how there are 40 trillion dollars in the world, and these companies own 20 trillion. (wrong actually, there is 40 trillion in PHYSICAL money, and also it is estimated that there is $1000 trillion in wealth across the globe).
17:27 - Lauren, tries to end the argument by saying the panel agrees that rich people own the world. (fails).
17:47 - Convo continues, Peter argues it's not a consumer market tho.
18:41 - Moderator comes into save the day (peters specifically).
19:21 - James ruins the convo and resorts to personal attacks. (gigachad whoever was the guy in the back who said asshole)
19:23 - Destiny nonetheless continues and says how most people don't understand finance or how investing works.
20:23 - James disagrees with Destiny on the company's power ability.
20:58 - Peter agrees with James (prob just to shit on Destiny lul).
22:16 - Debate returns to great reset, James gives his own interpretation.
22:47 - Destiny asks James definition of central planning.
23:00 - Destiny disagrees with James definition.
24:22 - James indulges in his own conspiracy theory about Klaus Schwab and points out how gullible people are, ex: 2008 on mortgage-backed securities.
26:12 - Destiny argues that there is nothing for him to even tackle because James point is saying nothing. (goes hard)
27:26 - Lauren comes into the conversation, and argues the right sucks at presenting the great reset.
29:40 - Convo transforms into what is capitalism.
32:00 - Peter agrees with James again (this guy contributes jack shit to the argument lul).
33:00 - Destiny argues with Moderator.
34:01 - James brings up Disney as a failing company (oMEGALUL).
34:30 - Destiny brings up how spineless James is.
36:20 - James talks about how these organization wants to follow the Chinese models of the economy.
39:10 - The moderator brings up the digital dollar an executive order brought up to urgently pursue a CBDC. Asks James is this connected to Klaus Schwab.
41:40 - Destiny disagrees with the future, and says there won't be digital dollars that are programmable.
43:10 - Lauren brings up China, Destiny asks are China and the US the same.
44:33 - James calls Destiny his brother (holy shit new lore, also why does this guy sound like capitalist Hasan :pepe:).
45:45 - Lauren and James are arguing that the great reset is using covid to expedite a bunch of new digital identity control over our life (bruh you have fucking cellphones and computers that can track your digital life far better in quantity and quality WAY before covid.)
46:32 - Lauren again figuratively shits on the right.
48:10 - Wow Destiny and Peter agree on something (amazing).
52:23 - The moderator asks James if you oppose ESGs, then what would you advise legislators or people to do.
55:10 - Destiny disagrees with James wording.
57:17 - Destiny explains what the conspiracy is.
1:00:10 - Destiny doubles down on his take.
1:01:35 - An audience member asks a question, Lauren answers is that globalization is inevitable, but thinks that it is sped up by corporate interests.
1:02:30 - Lauren and her friends love immigration (oMEGALUL).
1:05:20 - James talks about boats (im bored as fuck).
1:00:10 - Destiny 100% agrees with an audience member.
1:10:20 - Destiny goes hard again.
1:15:00 - James seething.
1:16:20 - Destiny dog pills on crypto.
Overall, boring debate and not interesting 3/10.
Spends time to timestamp the entire debate
"3/10 debate"
GIGACHAD
Daliban sends its regards
1:00:10 timestamp is wrong. It's around 1:07:32
mvp
when did James dip out of the convo as in the teaser? Or is that "in the next exciting episode"?
No bs it took this little break for me to realize how great destiny’s RUclips content has been. Constant uploads, well edited and selected topics from streams. Legendary work August
Each morning I would refresh my feed only to realize that there was no new content. Is this his way of torturing us for not accepting his league play
@@llortaton2834 me when I get back on Twitter after Elon Musk un ip bans all 37 of my accounts
@@jeremias-serus 37? Lol why?
@@tiraud105 Gigachadism.
Elden Ring pepeW
Man Destiny really is going in hard on the “forgot the event was today and just rolled out of bed” look
"Internet Superstar" - gotta match the intro man.
My man
Man came out like a MMA fighter right before the match I respect it
I think he is just going for maximum comfort
That's his look at every debate though lol at least here he isn't hunched over this time like a literal troll
Imagine arranging an event called Better Discource and unironicly setting up this panel.
But is is better than a cable news segment...
Call your event “better discourse” invite people like Peter Coffin and James Lindsay to speak at your event, AMAZIN
If you didn't notice, most of the audience agreed this panel was the best of the day 👌
@@DatHombre Dawg, have you seen some random BD debate?
I Steve has battled intellectual brilliancy at these events such as the guy who argued black people aren't put in jail more than white people. When reminded that he should look at per capita stats, he countered it doesn't matter because there are more white people than black people. Also he didn't know what per capita was anyway, then again if you want black conservatives to appear on your show, pickers can't be choosers.
Point is, for thi event. That panel was high quality 🤌
@Rose Anne Boushard Me and all the other 8 year olds who watch Destiny do not appreciate you talking about our leader that way. Tread carefully. The Daliban is not to be trifled with. Also COPE, SEETHE, MALD. Thank you, have a nice day. :D
The flood gates have reopened boys. Let the content flow once more!
Dry season is over lads siuuu
I missed you all 🥲
@@ringspinna2904 inshallah hehe
@@TiagoLageira Our prayers have been answered, inshallah brothers
I just want to see him lvl up vigor
Notice how these conversations never come down to weighing pros against cons. They all turn into some sort of "Hitler drank water" argument.
True
Honestly I never drink water for this very reason, along with fish fucking in it
Also notice how noone will actually tak about specific instances its always vague allusions to corruption and when any allusion is pushed its immediately walked back (Disney example)
@@Scawtsauce The fish poop I could deal with, but not the fucking.
Yeah ive been caught up in the fear of the future mindset in the past. I think this was a good debate. I enjoyed both sides. I do like more practical conversations tho.
Here's why everyone hates Destiny:
Destiny basically says: reality is complex and your very biased narrative is just an iversimplification of how the world really works.
And people can't take that. They just can't.
God forbid we'd actually have an interesting conversation about reality that isn't trying to sell some wild narrative for entertainment.
This!!! ^^
@@zauxst Except he does explain how these complex systems interact.
@@zauxst There's a difference between hiding from a conversation and recognizing that an issue is more complex than one would care to admit.
Saying "I don't know" is far more respectable than jumping to conclusions that don't line up with reality.
@@zauxst if you’re willing to go into the weeds on the topic and discuss the micro issues instead of the macro overarching narrative it is in no way shape or form demonstrating that you “don’t know” the issue. Which on more than one occasion destiny has not only been willing to discuss each and every issue but often knows more about the micro than the people with these huge broad narratives.
@@zauxst People say that destiny is a great debater, not a great thinker nor a great problem solver.
It's insane that they still don't have better audio at an event like this
better discourse more like get better audio am i right
@@Snowjob109 gottem lmaooo
The beginning is Destiny's bootleg recording from the audience. The box that's overlaid at 17:00, which then has better audio, is the official recording from their channel. /watch?v=_l56asXMpxw
@@MangoTangoFox thx. way better but still kinda sht. how is the production on this lvl... i swear ive seen better recordings of concert from iphone.
As an event planner it was really annoying!
So the UK stopped selling free range eggs because the chickens are at risk due to an outbreak of bird flu. The chickens are still producing eggs but due to being in a barn for over a month, they can't be classified as free range and have been relabelled as barn eggs. This is not an attempt to squash small businesses
bUt tHe pAnDeMiC
Another plandamic
Yupppp!!! Thank you! I was thinking the same thing
This to me was the funniest point made in the debate. Not only am I pretty sure she thinks it was because of covid, she was stating it as if it was a bad idea. And conservatives around the world will just nod their heads lmfao
@@dingo4229 yeah these small businesses are gonna struggle way more with dead chickens than barn raised chickens. You know if they enforced free range eggs they'd just say that small businesses don't have the land to keep up with free range regulations. Literally can't win
The "people in third world countries are more free!" comment made me feel a bit sick as a Mexican.
How does poverty, being exploited in your job or suffering job insecurity, a high violent crime rate, make one more free?
Well, from the perspective of a relatively wealthy foreigner it does make sense. You come here, cost of living is low to you and no one asks you to wear a mask. You live in a safe, expensive area. That's not fucking freedom, it's that money is law, you have money so you are ok. Everyone else, though? It's a lawless place. And most locals are actually asked to wear a mask indoors (and even show vaccine certificates, god forbid), lol, foreigners get a pass because it's assumed they'll leave a large tip or will actually buy something at a store so people bend over backwards for them. So free.
They like playing lord in another land.
Believe it or not, there are some people in third world countries who believe that too. They'd rather live in poverty and corruption with sky high crime rates and be more "free" over living in first world countries with systems that work. It's just lunacy.
I live in rural parts of southern Mexico , very safe there too. Solidly cartel controlled and owned.
Your comment reminds me of how I feel about white RUclipsrs who used to love how free China was when they went there, until the CCP started cracking down hard on them too.
Because you can pay with cash, duh.
Ironically, I am from South Africa, currently residing in Germany. SA was leagues ahead of Germany in the whole 'cashless economy' setup. So, in some 'third world countries' you don't even have the freedom of cash.
Man I want destiny to be at every James Lindsay public speaking event
Also jokes how Lauren went into every sentence like "yes the right are wrong when they say it's some big conspiracy" and then by the end of the sentence she's saying "and that is why authoritarians are covertly taking over and turning us into China"
I just want to say that I very much enjoy your video projects. Keep up the good work
@@laxjs thanks buddy
@@TimbahOnToast same here, your dave rubin series was the nudge I needed to stop consuming wacky right wing content. Who knows where I would be without it rn lol
These shit shows are always the absolute best content. Irl screaming matches are always billions of times more entertaining than online ones.
I love as soon as destiny sits down he pulls his phone out and claps for no one🤣 its real bro
@@UH1YVenom123 CAN YOU FEEL MY HEART
Destiny comes walking out on stage like you would absolutely expect of an "internet star".
Like a useful idiot you mean
Every time Destiny gets into debates like these I always tell myself I should learn how capital markets work. I can't navigate this conversation at all.
I prefer to never learn anything and instead just assume that I do because I agree with Destiny. GIGACHAD
Literally just spend like 15 minutes learning about macro theory off of Wiki and you'll know more than 90% of people who complain about them.
@@gd8838 8)
Save up a few bucks and buy some stocks-- it's great motivation to learn, lol.
Global markets are insane, man. "Debt" doesn't even mean debt anymore once you hit the global market; it can be entire futures, assets, economies, future of assets, hell even farts in the wind. The legalities and the way interest is calculated is also pretty different compared to personal/company loans. This is even more wild once you realize that the amount of money in circulation doesn't even affect the value of a currency, but rather everything that transpires in the global market. In fact, debt tends to be a hallmark for a developing society, as moderate inflation as a result of accrued debt stabilizes an economy. I don't have an angle on it either, but the world of money honestly makes very little sense.
Lol - The audible 'he looks rough' when Destiny comes out at 00:49.
LMAO
inshallah brother
This should be the top comment lol
😂
I didn't even notice the giga yawn when he was finished texting. That man was on like 3 hours of sleep max and still managed to coherently run the conversation.
James Lindsay trying to flatter Peter Coffin for being a communist is the fucking weirdest thing.
Lindsay the self proclaimed anti communist and fascist understander has no idea that dogged anti communism is a hallmark of fascism. LOL
that's because they're both reactionary
@@fancynecrosi1848 it's also been pretty common in pretty well most democracies, because you know... communism isn't democratic. By its very nature it can't be. It requires gate keepers
@@fancynecrosi1848 lol commies and fascists are tge same thing
@@coreyaruecker How isn't communist inherently democratic?
I like how Peter Coffin is just at these events for no particular reason.
It is a very particular reason: Better Discourse leans far to the right and so they try to pick "leftists" who either mostly have right wing views, actively play lapdog for the right, or who are both too dumb to push back against right wing narratives and too dumb to stop themselves from pushing right wing narratives
He has no authentic opinions. He'll just agree with the majority on the panel.
He's a token leftie.
@@garchomp3136 I think its because he is tired
He wasn’t even invited, he just wandered on stage
Why does destiny always have nobody in his side in these in person debates🤣
I don't think I can remember ever seeing a better discourse panel where it wasn't a 1 vs 4 (biased moderator included) so I assume it's set up deliberately like that. Even in one of the debates with a socialist (I think), that person was still mainly anti-Dem.
I think he likes them this way
TO MAKE IT AN EVEN PLAYING FIELD
/s (but not really)
bro this is the content we want
Because his views are so far out there that nobody agrees with him
James Lindsay is an absolutely fascinating figure. His research on left leaning literature is quite decent compared to most conservatives, but then when it comes to drawing connections between concepts and topics he completely loses the plot and dives right into these weird shadowy cabal conspiracies. It's beyond interesting to see someone with such asymmetrical analytical skills. It's like the minds of a professor and a toddler fight for their voice to be heard. Like that toddler is using academic analytical skills to explore his made up fantasy world. Absolutely wild stuff.
Conservatives often recite Lindsay's "grievance studies affair", in which he and two others applied bogus papers to humanities journals in the hopes of them getting released. One third did get released, but this entire thing was questionable, because the journals they got released in were mainly low impact ones while the more prestigious journals often rejected their applications outright or requested revising and rewriting, basically teaching them how to write a proper humanities paper in the process.
What's also flimsy is that they made up data to support their claims and pointed to the peer review process not catching it, but this is not how peer review works. You can only review the methodology and theoretical frameworks being applied properly, the results need to be tested through replication. If data is unique, peer reviewers are required to give the data the benefit of the doubt to invite other researchers to try and replicate it. That's how science, and yes also soft science, works. It's absolutely baffling how James doesn't know or recognize this and it ironically tells us more about his own academic legitimacy and the field he comes from. At least the humanities own the fact they're dealing with many normative frameworks and that their measurements have impact on the results. James is a fraud, but one of the more interesting frauds on the internet. I highly recommend checking out his stuff to see for yourself. Also, follow him on Twitter to see how spite driven he is. He's the epitome of a blindfolded ideologue.
This is the most perfect description of Lindsay I think I’ve ever read.
That is such a great description. I don't know this person or their internet presence, but like you said, they do have an above average grasp on concepts; but their need to connect it to such absurd fantasies that they depict as either reality, or a likely future scenario is hilarious at best.
@@isaiahthomas6744 This was a literal terrible summarization of Lindsay, and a downplaying of what he showed, and then called him a fraud. What a joke. Your ideologies are seething off of both of you and it’s nauseating.
Not sure I'm fully with you on that last paragraph but otherwise fair. It's odd to see James Lindsey who seems to be a rational calculated person suddenly descend into your average twitch streamer.
I’ve become increasingly convinced most of the legwork was done by Peter Boghossian and Helen Pluckrose, who have managed to not fall into conspiracy theorizing the same way Lindsay has.
Can we just appreciate how shockingly wrong Peter Coffin was at estimating the amount of wealth in the world? "There are 40 trillion dollars, they have 20 trillion"
According to the latest data, there are over 1000 trillion dollars in wealth around the world. Off by almost two orders of magnitude, incredible.
He is confused because there's approximately $40 trillion in physical money. Anyone who has most of their wealth in actual cash is incredibly poor or stupid.
1 quadrillion? I thought it was around half a quadrillion so 500 trillion
And when he talks about blackrock, it’s assets under management (as in management on the behalf of investors) not assets that the company owns.
@@kkirT you do just mean physical MONEY right? Like a particular currency?
Because physical wealth will always be king.
Gold etc.
Because when revolution comes (and it will) and the regime changes, the currency will change and your $USD will be worth nothing.
@@aydenr5467 it will be king when the revolution comes, but when the revolution comes index funds will be worthless since all their assets are non-physical, so its a mute comparison still.
I absolutely love watching Destiny's face as someone says something controversial/stupid. You can see the exact moment his hamster stops the wheel and the "debate bro angry brain" turns on.
It’s cathartic in a way
@@trentirvin2008 Yeah, kinda
@@Hi_Im_Pangas man I miss out since I only listen to this stuff during commute. Got any general timestamps?
He's becoming zen like with how well he holds himself back and always keeping things on track. It's admirable to see because it's so clearly obvious that he is putting a lot of effort into it. :)
The Nebraska Steve is still in there
When Lauren talked about UK people using the pandemic as an excuse to ban free range chickens I was super surprised as someone living in London. Googled it only to find that birds are being kept indoors because of an outbreak of bird flu. And you can’t label birds who’ve been kept indoors so long as free range, so a bunch of eggs are being relabelled. Way less ridiculous when you read the whole story. Oh and yes there are strict biosecuirity standards being set (because of the bird flu) and larger farms have been able to react better to those standard. But like Destiny pointed out, that’s always the case with any kind of regulation any government sets.
Lol yeah that's usually how these claims go a small kernel of Truth completely misinterpreted.
44:00
As an Australian, Lauren is wrong. Most of us havent been checking in using the covidsafe app in several weeks (a few outliers withstanding) and so far mandatory checkins have ceased in all major public places. I’ve been to museums, clubs, pubs, restaurants, movies etc. within the past month and none of them have required a check in. Flat out misinformation and fear mongering.
The fact that it existed is crazy.
She also lied about the UK chickens, one google search away and you learn that this was not because of COVID but because of bird flu and the reason they cannot be free range is because they are forced to stay inside to protect the hens, so therefor they cannot be labelled as free range.
@@neverusingthisagain2 omg gubment scawy 😨
@@neverusingthisagain2 why though?
I haven't checked in for months, and in Adelaide most of our mask mandates are dropped.
"debate you so hard, he will put you in a coffin" assuming he doesn't get tired first.
Whaaat? But he looks like a total athlete 😉
“Could never happen here” is a terrible argument for Destiny
Basically every single argument from Destiny boiled down to this, didn't it? Almost sounds like a shill for WEF and the mega corps. And he's considered a leftist?
@@spectralisation It seems like he just hasn't done any research on the topic. He's trying to logically argue on capitalistic concepts rather than what's actually happening in the world.
@@spectralisation Everything about him screams containment.
Was that the only argument he said. He just said...could never happen here and that was the end?
@@SisyphusDungball Like what? He didn't have any arguments??? Lets see you debate him. 😂😂😂😂😂
this video is a good reminder that conservatives can be soy too
There’s a reason the “””alt-right””” called them ‘cuckservatives’ in 2016
Why did you need reminding
@@finnmacmanus5723 Cause they're nowhere now😅
conservatives are the most triggered pieces of soy out there lmfao.
I found out about Destiny's channel through the Aba n Preach / Hasan Shiter drama. I really respect the no BS realistic debate style. I'm learning a lot from this channel. Also it feels like Destiny is the only panelist in the video who's actually there to debate instead of to be right.
the point of public debates is a performance, to appear to be more right / more honest and not to confirm details and learn from eachother
Yes that makes sense as he will never be right 😂
@@tothumn That’s only the point for dishonest grifters trying to push a narrative because they make money off of people believing in it.
Watching everybody on the panel trying to come to James Lindsey’s aid while he try’s to answer simple questions is so satisfying.
Except Lindsay knew more. Destiny was ignorant of the 2008 details and the WEF's admitted intentions. He was typically pro-establishment for this debate but it just didn't make sense and he had zero evidence, just a hunch that no one is fucking with his money in these funds. Not good enough.
Destiny, "you're not saying nothing" but doesn't seem to listen.
@Kularani Durara your argument is tight
@@VIEWITIS totally agree. I don’t know what they were watching. I like destiny but he was weirdly confident without much knowledge. These areas are really his weak spot bc, for someone who was one of the first independent Internet personalities, he is BIZARRELY PRO-ESTABLISHMENT.
Maybe it’s having money? But just SUPER naive about the ruling class.
@@amandamcgovern5744 unfortunately in this sphere of the net many of Destiny viewers like blood sport and trendy terms when used. I would imagine that most of his main hard-core audience are like reddiors and young people who like seeing a person they dislike (or they think they dislike) lose.
James knows way more then Destiny here and makes more sense but Destiny had internet charisma and that goes a long way
Destiny should just debate this Klaus Schwab guy at this point. Every great reset debate turns into a proxy debate for his book.
I don't even know if they disagree that much. It's the people who pretend to read the Schwab book that disagree hard with Destiny.
I know right? The irony is I'd bet anything the original author would likely tell most of these people "No, that's not quite what I meant". Just secondhand opinions.
Another brilliant round of "this could be a problem, someone should fix it, even though I have zero solutions on how to remedy it. Look how smart I am for pointing it out though."
Well even if only one person walks home more informed after that, it is a huge change.
you just described most of all history, nice try nerd.
@@avavavavaz Hence "another".
@@notan3144 my bad apologies homie.
if you want to fix a problem, someone needs to point it out first. not the worst waste of time.
Lauren was wrong about the UK and free range chickens. It's nothing to do with Covid, it's to do with Bird Flu.
She knows she just doesn't care.
Literally no one is going to correct her.
Leftists don't care and righties even if they did know would just nod along because they have no standards.
This is whole panel is disgusting. props to destiny for wasting his time.
The one thing I wanted Destiny and James to talk about was CRT, actually livid that they didn't.
It's the only thing James has any remotely good takes about.
No point, destinys said it’s a losing battle with a poisonous name not worth defending
He won’t because Destiny can call out bullshit on all sides and Lindsay fears honesty.
@@irontail06 He could've been on a panel with other Critical Race Theorists though and maybe had an in depth discussion about it. I'd honestly like to hear Destiny's deeper take on it
It's wasn't the topic the great reset was the topic.
@destiny, your opinions aren’t based on knowledge or a real understanding of the world. James Lindsay is correct.
Audio gets way better at 16:58
Peter Coffin really likes 'What if' statements then spiral into crazy conspiracy theories.
What if questions are important.
@@cryptocaesar8972 you forgot the questionmark at end
@@chriswinkler4663 No, I’m saying “what if” questions are important to ask, we have to look at possible various outcomes, that’s how we avoid them. You don’t wait until it’s happening.
@@cryptocaesar8972 Did we watch the same video? All of those what ifs were meant to cause panicked fear spirals. None of them actually made sense when you think about people investing in securities. It felt like someone trying to scare people into not investing money... Oh, I just noticed your name. Believe what you want to believe dude.
@@cryptocaesar8972 Yeah, and Im saying you missed a good meme by not putting a questionmark.
Destiny coming on to discuss something he hasn't read is peak Destiny.
Very vague comment considering everyone who debated Destiny on that pannel has a vague understanding of finance/capital markets. 🤡
James Lindsay has a below elementary school level understanding of capital markets. He actually believes that people with millions/billions invested in a capital fund with simply accept lower than average returns because the fund tells them to. If you don't show consistently high returns, people will take their money out of the fund. It's that simple.
No that's peak Jordan Peterson. Reading 50 pages political communist propaganda for farmers to understand karl marx who was an economist.
@@williamkelley1971 You don't understand stakeholder capitalism then. The WEF is working with the UN, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, etc to promote the Great Reset via Agenda 2030. The goal is to capture the financial markets by setting up incentives for those who play along (negative interest rates, carbon credits, etc.) and punishing those who don't comply (weaponizing CBDCs, digital IDs, and smart cities, etc).
The goal of the Great Reset is to create a rich elite's playground at the average person's expense via the further normalization of a track, trace, and database society. How do you stand up to the people in power if they can control nearly every aspect of your life? You really can't. That's the end game.
@@youngchino5407 Destiny also has no idea about capital markets. Everything he said was fundamentally wrong.
Rename title to:
Gnome Angry at 3 dudes and his Queen.
I thought the title should be: learning capital markets 101
How many books have you read? Then he proceeds to call capitalism fascism while Peter nods along
The most charitable comparison of capitalism could maybe be feudalism, but even then the analogy begins to fall apart when you dig deeper.
@@lukaswithakay Just purely incorrect and the fascism comment stands. You are looking at things that happen and saying “this is capitalism” forcible suppression and government entangling with corporations is not capitalism, it is not part of the definition of capitalism. Capitalism is about competition and private ownership of goods. There is in fact a scale where you own the country that is no longer capitalism. Please educate yourself on this topic.
@@cryptocaesar8972 I’ll be sure to take my political advice from a person that can’t spell “Caesar”.
@@cryptocaesar8972 Facism relies on ultranationalism so no
@@lukaswithakay If you tell me you don’t make spelling errors I’ll call you a liar.
@14:40 "none of this has anything to do with fascism"
The merging of corporations and the government has nothing to do with fascism??? That is literally the essence of fascism
No. It doesn't. Merging coeporations and government has literally nothing to do with fascism. If you mean that a government giving large quantities of help to big business in exchange for a hyper-acute pursuit of national interest, you would have an argument. Of course I would very easily wave that aside by providing examples of American business that actively operate outside our borders and against the national interest of America, not because they are traitorous or anything; but because they are free and exist within a capitalist framework.
Got it?
@@FireGod1101 "merging corporations and government has literally nothing to do with fascism"
Yes, it does. This is literally from the man who coined the phrase "fascism". If your point is that it cant be fascism because there are factories overseas, then you are missing the point.
These people want a one world government, so merging corporation with the government, while also pushing for a one world government, is still fascism. You just broadened your borders to encompass the globe, instead of a country. In other words, the methods of fascism, but on steroids.
@@weefy117 You have a dialog tree apparently. Let me try my best to use statements you can engage with. "Factories overseas" is not the only thing these corporations create. They create new jobs and products which get consumed by that nations' populace. "These people want a one world government" next I assume you will say the UN and NATO are examples of some early stage test to determine viability? Just like the people on stage you just spout off these magnanimous claims with no evidence and what little evidence you claim to have is written by a wildly controversial figure whose viewpoints have always been met with skepticism as he has been ranting and raving about secret collusion for literal decades. And the man who coined fascism also denoted to differences in the different specifics of what fascism encompasses. Tell me, who coined it and what is it you're describing? Hint: it is not fascism, it's a facet of it. (While you may not care about the differentiation of it, you should)
@@FireGod1101 "you have a dialog tree apparently, so let me try my best to use statements you can engage with"
Im not going to continue to respond to a condescending douchebag. You are obviously in "dunk" mode, and have no interest in actual discourse. Go fuck yourself
@@weefy117this is what happens when you take one quote at face value, but don’t go any deeper.
Firstly, corporatism is not the sole prevue of fascism. Non-fascist movements have, and continue, to endorse corporatist t. One of the lead proponents of modern liberalism (academic definition), John Stuart Mills, expressed corporatism ideas. Nordic social democrats express corporatist ideas. Even communist China expresses corporatist ideas. It may be an element of fascism, but corporatism is not in itself necessarily fascist. It is merely a way of ‘managed capitalism’ in that it is neither state capitalism (communism in Soviet practice) nor is it completely free market. It’s a vague ideology with broad application across the political spectrum, meaning taking Mussolini’s words at face value is misleading at best and outright deceptive at worst.
Secondly fascist corporatism is not what the United States has. Corporatism under Mussolini was about all elements of society being under a totalitarian regime, which necessitated that all corporations effectively being under state control and guidance, yet still technically being in private and. It was like having the state have 90% of the say on the board. The state has much, much, much less control over corporations in the United States, and to compare the two is to simply ignore how they function in practice.
This is why Destiny can look good when it comes to finance. He doesn’t know much at all about finance yet the people he talks with know absolutely nothing
He knows quite a bit, actually. He's held his own in discussions with actual financiers and economists.
@@Lewa500 i’m curious, can you give me any content destiny did regarding finance?
@@Lewa500
Uhm no. I can go through Destiny’s actual beliefs regarding things like economic rationality to fiduciary duties. Destiny knows very little about finance.
Saying he has held his own with financiers and economists is, at best, you doing a fallacious appeal to authority which is illogical. It is you, by definition, making an incorrect argument. If I was feeling less charitable, I would present to you the Nobel laureate Eugene Fama.
@@MrHelsy
Well one particularly fun time was when Destiny was using a paper to support his position that economic rationality is a thing that happens sufficiently often that, not only is it a thing that can happen, but that it happens frequently enough that it can be an assumption. He did this even though the author very explicitly states in unambiguous language that economic rationality as he laid it out was not descriptively accurate
@@jloiben12 Damn, it's like hearing Ben Shapiro in my head just trying to read this.
God I love that every single panel Peter coffin is running, sorry full on sprinting to agree and defend conservative talking points and misinformation
My Marxist friend.
@@lacobunis971 the whole video, did you not watch?
It's the Horseshoe, mate
Fucking for real, its disgusting and telling
@@__-bz7wh weak bait
23:15 - the central issue is whether that cabal or leaders in the boardroom is ultimately still responsible to the market or not, and more narrowly whether capital can move elsewhere in a non-catastrophic way if the cabal oversteps or acts a against the interest of the shareholders. James hasn’t proven that, at least so far
Even if I disagree with Destiny on certain things, dude is fucking smart.
No he’s not. He’s just a leftist parrot firing off the same talking points
Loud not smart
0:51 "He looks rough" lol
Absolute chad walk out.
Destiny is always hypocritical of what seems overblown, then a couple years later, what he argued against, ends up happening.
Any examples?
@@DogshitArgumentDisney is in huge financial trouble now, for example, when destiny said it was preposterous
19:19 that one guy that calls out “asshole” cos of Lindsay’s meaningless attack got me laughin
It was the Gigachad.
Destiny is so dead wrong up until that point it’s completely justified lol. I work in PE Destiny is so unbelievably wrong here it’s atrocious.
@@Johnp3n1s nice, this is a funny bait
@@Johnp3n1s interesting appeal to authority there, gym coach
@@WeDoNotCare1 he’s completely wrong, but that’s what you get from a non- college grad with 0 work experience in finance. I’ll give an example:
Destiny claims dollars chase highest returns - specifically fund manager reduces returns by pushing non-profitable ESG policies, dumping of non-compliant companies etc.
Hedge funds have under performed the S&P for at least two decades. If Destiny’s premise is correct, how do these non- performing hedge funds still have funding? Why is that funding not pouring into S&P tracking indexes?
“Better discourse” with Lauren Southern 🤡
Loved her claim about the pandemic being used as an excuse to get rid of free range hens 😂 We've had an outbreak of bird flu which means that hens have had to be kept inside so they no longer meet the "free range" qualification"
@@rugbyjames1 is the concern that wild birds will spread it to the chickens?
@@Lochness19 Yes, a highly pathogenic varient of avian flu is now endimic in wild birds forcing farmers to keep birds indoors or cull. They normally have to keep the birds indoors for seasonal outbreaks but this is the first time they've had to keep them indoors extensively and thus they cannot market the eggs as free range.
lol someone has to explain to me (calmly please, not looking for a fight) how the Great Reset, which has literally been titled, written about, & publicly addressed by its own creators can reasonably be considered a conspiracy theory
I believe by claiming that it has enough support by powerful people to be implemented and that it will change more things than what can be reasonably inferred from the Great Reset literature, and also tying it into a NWO theory can also place it in conspiracy theory territory. I don’t know much about the Great Reset theory, but I hope this helps.
Because its actual scope, specificities, and intention to be implemented by some sort of shadowy ruling class are all entirely blown out of proportion.
They act like Klaus Schwab was outlining a grand design which would be put into place against people’s wishes, instead of what it is which is essentially pitching very soft ideas within an intellectual circle of economists - hence why so many terms like “redefine humanity” can’t be defined clearly by the people fearmongering about it, because not even Schwab or anyone else had something specific in mind for them.
Why do they specifically say that Peter Coffin has a quarter million subs when Destiny has almost half a million and they don't mention anything lol
“Peter Coffin, who used a fake twitter to pose as his own non-existent girlfriend!”
Yeah i noticed that too. Introduced him as a internet superstar lmao wtf
Yea I thought that was weird too kinda underselling is accolades. Then again this is a very right leaning place so it's not surprising.
@@FuckinZ3braS0n But isn't Peter Commie Coffin a leftoid?
Or has he gone full Nazbol/tankie now?
maybe they wrote their own intros?
27:21 Shoutout to the one Destiny fan actually at the panel. "WOOO!"
I was 25 minutes in when I read this message. Was NOT disappointed
I live in a little city just south of Seattle. I do ubereats so I deliver for a lot of establishments. "Cashless and proud of it is a thing." I have been doing deliveries since covid to present. I can count on two hands how many times I have been tipped in cash. Cashlessness is the trend here. It didn't used to be a short time ago. I'm seeing this change in real time.
"Fascism is the fusion of public and private"
- James Lindsay.
Dude. This guy reads tens of CRT books and is stuck at the baby stage of spitting out the ahistorical, lolbert falsehood that fascism is corporatism.
@Active Measures right wing authoritarian ultranationalism.
The two most stupid memes of the terminally online right wing:
"Government is communism"
"Corporations is fascism"
The lack of self awareness is astounding.
@noticer that's what fascism is, historically. How's that misinformed?
@@theophilegaudin2329 Fascism as it was founded in Italy was all about nationalism as you say but also promoted a corporatist economy. But governments we'd call fascist has often had different economic ideas. Leading the blanket term to more or less remove the economic aspect since it was mostly ultra nationalism that seemed to bind fascist states together.
@@wingy252 just because fascism was corporatist doesn't mean that any corporatism is motivated by a fascist ideology. If A then B doesn't mean if B then A. It's really a basic logical error and I'm surprised that a mathematician like Lindsay does it, and confidently so.
Ackchewally, fascism is when corporations exist, sweaty.
idk who's behind the camera but that ''he's admidetly beset by tiredness'' was a banger. Vaush x Peter Coffin crossover
Every time I hear Klaus Schwab speak I just picture a Bond villain 😂🤣😂
Yep
Fascism is when the government, working with the private sector, does stuff
I prefer to think of it as anything I don't like.
Fascism is literally just national syndicalism. It’s when all of the industries within a nations economy are collected into various trade unions/corporations (the term corporation was created by fascists), and the “corporations” (from the Latin corpus, meaning body) act as “organs of the state”. Essentially all production , and distribution, is controlled by the state and for the “greater good” of the nation. James’s definition while I would say is more or less correct, was very poorly worded and lacked very important details
James Lindsey blocked my twitter because I wanted him to debate destiny lmao
James Lindsay is correct
It's kinda impressive that Lindsay talks about the ominous "THEY" more than flat earthers.
Uh he did name them, WEF, Black rock and Vanguard, and the people who run them, Klaus Shuab and Larry Fink, and mostly, he's correct on what they've said, as it's all quite public or even written into books such as Klaus's 'Great Reset', Destiny's contention is that they will fail despite having 50 trillion dollars to muscle with, because good faith investors won't go along, and time will tell
Who cares? Like if I asked anyone if *they* cared, *they* would probably be like nah. *they* really wouldnt care, and if *they* did, it would be because *they* dont like you. Seriously, go ask *them* if they care.
@@keithfilibeck2390 Flat eathers constantly:
1. Mention NASA, Elon Musk and specific astronauts but do not understand anything about the underlying science, technology or institutions.
2. Quotemine sentences or phrases from documents without honest representation or understand of the context.
3. Pretend they are part of the frontline in the fight against a worldwide conspiracy.
4. Communicate that only they have access to this secret truth.
Practically all conspiracy theorists rely on their ability to "point to stuff" that seems superficially consistent with their grand narrative. They then collect these references and take a lot of liberties in stitching together a grand narrative that is psychologically convenient in recruiting as many people as possible: He is literally shouting about a takeover by a fascist-communist elite (THEY) and turning the west into China.
@@keithfilibeck2390 You know that Vanguard and BlackRock have a duty to represent their investors, right? The 50T is assets under management, not cash.
@@spacetoast7783 I'm aware, their agenda still goes forward apace, they've made a cartel out of it, anyone who dissents now can be tanked
Laurens impression of a chair is incredible
Really makes you sit down and think (sits down) sorry lauren didnt see you there
as someone who used to do Audio / Video work for my church, thank you for the improved audio around 17 minutes! I get it doesn't always work it, but thank you for the improvement
James Lindsey's take on Vaguard trying to stop Elon Musk's attemp to purchase Twitter didn't age well at all. Only took a couple days.
What do you mean it didn’t end well? All he said was what was happening which is what did happen lol. Did you follow the conversation?
@@cryptocaesar8972 Did you pay attention? Lindsay said that Vanguard purchased stock to stop Elon from buying Twitter, and that didn't stop him from purchasing it.
I thought these were the "free market" people?
trueee
James Lindsay brings up a ton of specific examples, from the cruise industry’s and COVID to blackrock and Vanguard pushing ESG’s on companies, literally all Destiny does this debate is go “..I just don’t see it”, yeah no shit you don’t seem to know or see anything.
What really happens doesn't matter to leftists, for them reality is always an empty canvas on which to paint their destructive ideals that they hold so dear
How does Lindsay call himself an antimarxist while demanding widespread seizure of private capital?
@Emanuel they use terminology when it suits them and not when it’s consistent with their previously stated principles
You can ba against some parts of Marxism and for others, you don't have to swallow any set of ideas or ideology wholesale. Just putting it out there, I don't like the guy at all.
@ saying that you're anti-marxism means you're anti everything marxism
It's because his ideology is a capitalism inside of a libertarianism inside of a fascism inside of a communism. A capitalibertofasciocommunism. Or a libertocapicommunofascism.
*insert blank Glenn Beck stare*
@Kahlid Hatim
No it doesn't.
cameraman was admittedly beset by tiredness
I have to 0.75× of original speed to process the information when destiny speaks.
Holy, the guy in the croud shouting asshole at 19:18 absolutely sent me! XD
Is James Lindsey the new Dave Rubin? His fearmongering rant against ESG scores seems to serve certain sectors of industry, not necessarily ordinary people.
His misinfo is actually really pervasive. I'm starting to see anti-sjws claim that "wokeness" in media is due to BlackRock manipulating companies for their ESG score.
I think this actually began as some 4chan post.
It's r3tardation all the way down.
Slightly more intelligent than Davey, but just as insecure and incapable of sustaining any argument due to a painful lack of understanding and ignorance on ( insert topic here ).
I think he's just terminally online and so deep in the CRT rabbit hole that he's lost sight of reality somewhat.
A couple of wokies
Destiny is really good at presenting real-world systems vs the caricature constructed by conservatives. The only way we can critique, or change, the system is by engaging with the actual, real-world system, not the caricature
True for destiny vs leftists to, and I say that as a leftist.
Everything is debated as a caricature. Makes it easier to strawman if you over emphasise a point and then attack it’s extreme version. The left loves “fascist/nazi” and the right loves “groomer/nazi” at this point in time.
Not sure if he's all that good at presenting real world systems, as he presents a sort of basic dumbed down version of what is happening in real life.
"The only way we can critique, or change, the system is by engaging with the actual, real-world system, not the caricature" Obviously not true, Commies of old critiqued, and changed the system of their country by engaging with a caricature, and leftists of today have been very successful in doing so as well. Others have also.
@@grantwithers because it's the easiest to digest. He doesnt care too much about making things overly complex, but if he has to, he will.
Not being able to own household chickens in the UK is news to me and my neighbors that own household chickens.
The Beauty of statements made by her is that there is most likely 5% truth in them. Just enough that if someone calls bullshit she can point somewhere but no where near enough to ever be right.
I love destiny but this could be another one of those topics that he ends up walking back two years from now.
Possibly.
That could be applied to any position. Destiny hasn’t walked back any of his positions. He’s more or less the same left leaning dude he was
What that Disney will not be one of the most powerful media companies???? Really you guys seriously think esg will sink Disney?
@@lemon93 Neither I nor Lindsay made that claim. ESG is simply a tool that is going to quicken the rise of a corporate neo-feudalist society. If you are concerned about freedom and democracy you should definitely take the great reset seriously. But Destiny is pro-globalism so that could be why he's been downplaying this. Still even he's admitted that he hasnt read any of the literature or video conferences from the WEF, I have a feeling once he actually looks into it more he's going to realize how sketchy it actually is.
@@ericstein8019 I believe he reversed his position on trans athletes, and overall has become significantly less favorable towards socialism in the past 3 years or so.
tbh mad respect to destiny for always taking on these brutal crowds, doing the work others say need to be done
Doing the work that needs to be done? Sounds right out of the Soviet union
Defending the WEF and big corpos, what a progressive champion.
@@Antwon_The_Damaja >here's your good faith argument, bro
@@Antwon_The_Damaja you dropped your tin foil hat
@@daveblueballz6659 that is what happened though -.-
James Lindsay strikes me as the kind of person who absolutely loves to listen to his own voice saying certain words that vaguely point in a certain political direction and doesn't really care much about the contents of what is said...
...I bet he listens to his own videos when he works out :V
Also was wondering if he would fold under preasure in an open debate. Can't say I'm disappointed :3
Trueeee, he sounds super dumb talking about capital markets. But I’m sure he loves the way he sounds.
I think being on Twitter may have broken James Lindsay’s mind.
James Lindsay:
“The World Economic Forum is made up of the 1500 biggest corporations in the world!”
Well yeah that’s what I would expect…
“The said they want to help transition to a better world”
That sounds pretty good other than your sinister spin on it….
“And they start meetings with a corporate ritual!”
Literally satanic panic….
Dude brings nothing to the conversation
@@hippipdip It absolutely has you could see his brain melt in real time.
@@hippipdip Don't blame twitter. Lindsay's entire career - website, books, podcast - is being financed by a "Christian nationalist" lunatic named Michael O'Fallon, who thinks social justice is satanic. He's being paid to spew insane nonsense.
Destiny absolutely amogus d that fool ( it's a reference to a very popular video game, amogus)
@@blondymonk1535 But then how will people get it??
amogus this knob like corn on the amogus
@@blondymonk1535 are you slow?
Yes! I'm a gamer so I can confirm this comment. Except I don't think it's that popular, it's kinda indie because it takes a lot of skill and not everyone can handle it (I play on PC so I'm used to playing high skill games but most people don't have the skill to play PC games).
just realized how weird it is that even at in-person debates they call him destiny. never think about how odd it is that his screen name has basically become his identity
When I go to your wedding I will announce you as “chedda Guap”
It's not weird, it's just lame
Doesn't esg scores defeat destiny's point that companies are only intersted in capital?
ESG is like a secondary Credit Score for companies, if they want loans or to refinance debt, the Banks often use ESG as a evaluation of what kind of loan or refinancing they can get. ESG can directly contradict whats the best interest for a company, but they are forced into using it.
Uhm the chicken thing is they are removing the labeling of free range until the hens can go outside of the barns because of a rise in the bird flue. So I love how some people like to read things not based on the words but based how they want to interpret words.
At this point Lauren and Destiny should probably have a Guinness world record for having most online and offline debate against each other
Listening to Destiny talking about the markets, shows me he knows just enough to make some good sound bites. But all his "feelings" and "thoughts" amount to an overly rosy picture and even simplistic view of how all the various markets actually work and interoperate. Literally made me cringe a few times.
"Beset by tiredness" is a great meme
So hard to respect an opinion or outlook when it's effectively "Dude, I'm just saying"
truuue
That James Lindsay sure can ramble, holy fuck.
you know how liberals can be. feminine
@@seds94 Classy.
James Lindsay is great at saying absolutely nothing while talking.
He's solid on CRT. Kinda trash on most other topics sadly.
@@justingutierrez233 CRT as the right discusses it doesn't exist. It's just a buzzword these losers pull out to describe everything they don't like.
So is destiny
@@griffinembry9071 you believe that? Sad
@@griffinembry9071 i cant tell if you are serious, or if you have no idea that you've been steeped in culturally responsive training and critical pedagogy as a rule. Perhaps it is now simply the air you breathe...
Oh my god the part where Destiny presses Lindsey on racketeering only for literally everyone to jump to protect him was the death knell of the debate. Dude got clowned on and needed three goons and a sympathetic audience to show up.
That was insane. He wants some investment companies choosing to create funds for people to buy to be called “racketeering.” Who’s being extorted? Who’s being coerced?
The perfect counter to everything being said was Destiny just saying “anyone can invest in anything they want, capital markets are the most liquid thing in the world for the movement of money.”
I too really enjoyed seeing Destiny support and defend the largest, richest, most powerful people in the world.
Larry Fink, CEO of Blackrock, has stated that, "we need to force behavior."
You cannot reconcile this.
@@Gryzzn isn't that even a better point? Why would he mention that he needs to do something if he was already doing said thing? For style points?
@@trixfeer2701 cause the mans a nutcase
Unimpressive performance from Destiny. He’s too laser-focused on ‘winning’
28:55 That's because of bird flu and it happens everywhere in Europe right now
Peter was a total waste of space
I'm so glad that our wonderful, benevolent banks, corporations and government agencies are working to promote equity, sustainability, inclusion, and all that other good stuff. The pure unselfishness of their goals gives me faith in human nature. Their devotion to creating a better world gives me a warm fuzzy feeling and makes me feel that I'm loved! I am happy - nay, delighted - to have them monitor everything I do and say and use their advanced behavior modification techniques to curb my bad habits. As someone who is older, I envy younger people who will have so much more time than I will to experience this ideal new reality they are creating. Hallelujah!
Hahahaha :D
Actually, yes. Based.
I'm actually a little surprised Peter would get back on a stage with Destiny.
I like Destiny, I like James. James Lindsay wins today. Destiny's pov is too simple; very logic but there's more to account for than his analysis permits.
These live pannels are my favorite. People are way less likely to just bark over other people when they're sitting right next to them.
And yet they still manage to sometimes.
@@idkhbtfmandnowimsad994 (looks at crowd for laughs)
Ah, this is great. ESG implementation has been my work nightmare for a while!! Destiny, I recommend looking into ESG more. It is definitely on the horizon and companies are pretty concerned about demonstrating how they meet the regulations.
Also, this guy's commentary on how ESG scores are demonstrated, dictated, and used is not exactly right. We are still waiting on official government bodies that will set out the rules. Now we are leveraging existing frameworks by specialty organizations that are looking at reporting requirements, current rules, projected rules, and designing frameworks companies can use to build their ESG program. Banks won't come up with their own frameworks, they'll have the industry standards to assess companies, not some arbitrary 'they have good ESG' or 'they have bad ESG'.
G-score.. this guy is driving me crazy. $1M ESG execs??? Where??? Unless you're in an industry like oil and gas where you are fucking the environment this is a preposterous statement.
Companies have been dealing with government imposed regulations for a hundred years. ESG is just a scary acronym
A lot of ESG is also exactly as Destiny referenced in the marketing comment.. it's an attempt to build environmental, social, and governance concerns/risks/practices into a company's strategic objectives and operating principles to 1) make it easy to follow and 2) these things have positive impacts on companies.. happier employees, more transparency, resilient operations, etc. ESG has also been in talks for a while. It's not some new boogy man that came out of nowhere. We also have the COSO framework that majority of public companies follow which addresses majority of the G in ESG.
@@TonyCox1351 we are anticipating greater reporting requirements out of ESG and potentially higher demands to ensure the accuracy of what we are reporting (e.g., if you're reporting that you reduced x environmental factor or improved y in employee satisfaction, you're going to have to demonstrate how you determined that with auditable data). But totally agree. We have been dealing with government regulation for years. SOX was a massive effort by companies but ultimately is better for the market and shareholders.
I fucking love it when people who say, "I read this book so I know more than you!" get shit on when Destiny actually makes them expand on that. 99% of the time, they don't even remember what the book stated, but also on that 1% chance they do, they usually just memorize a few tidbits from it and believe the book is some source of objective truth.
No matter what they say he pretends they don't make sense. Destiny is a contrarian shill who offers nothing of substance or wants anything to improve. Leftist pos
That guy is right, destiny does look ruff
who cares
@@sweetbriarhuslin7371 who asked
@@wilmerfudd4133 that applies to both of us I guess
He looks how he always looks he just really doesn't gaf it's kinda funny. Most ppl change clothes when they go out in public destiny doesn't lol.
I hate when intelligent conversations drift into conspiracies or assumptions. James and Lauren tend to drift into those categories. I see why Destiny becomes annoyed with this tactic.
True, it just poisons any conversation because of the amount of specific knowledge that is needed to counter conspiracy theories.
And by the way, what happened with the conspiracy theory that "they" won't allow Musk to take over Twitter?
@@sargeteg5927 Who said that?
Nothing said here was conspiracy theory. You’re utilizing the word conspiracy theory to try and discredit people’s argument. The reality is if you take a billionaire vs a minimum wage worker, the billionaire has more control and more power than the minimum wage worker. When you get a conglomeration of 20 billionaires, they have massive control over things. It’s delusional to argue otherwise.
@@cryptocaesar8972 No argument on this. Some stuff was said was said that was a bit of annoyance.
They’re not conspiracies anymore. Many of the once thought conspiracies have been exposed at plots based on reality
I cannot fucking believe I used to think of James Lindsey as a serious person... Thank you Des Tiny for this based performance.
he was funny with the grievance studies, then when you see he does exactly what he fearmongers about (racism in the gaps -> wokism in the gaps) his grift becomes obvious. dudes a paranoiac fueled by Rufo / Koch bucks
and now you've got destinys balls resting on your chin kek