Destiny attends the Better Discourse conference live debate and gives us a very heated and enjoyable 1v3 debate. 2nd debate panel vs Acual Justice Warrior, Jack Posobiec, Sara Gonzales and the moderator ►ruclips.net/video/i9LpeNyis3g/видео.html
@@RaimoR1 not only that destiny tends to inaccurately frame or say what the arguements are about or what niko is saying. Sometimes he just over looks plain things niko is saying. Its why niko has to repeat himself But niko just address his points with things that actually happened as well.
Niko is a perfect example of why free speech absolutism is horse shit. People are dumb. In the free market of ideas, the one who wins is the loudest and most confident, not the one who makes the best point. People buy this shit because they truly believe they can't be manipulated, despite psychology/sociology saying otherwise.
Destiny is one of the best examples as well. Shallow thinker and uneducated. And don't get me started on how bad he is in the debate format . But this is what happens when you become a successful streamer playing video games and at the same time is highly opinionated and naturally argumentative so you venture out into the real world. You see a whole niche of intellectual wannabe's with some small knowledge on a lot of topics trying to Dunning Kruger themselves into the political zeitgest and notoriety. The internet was a fantastic revolution in that it gave a voice to a lot of people that before couldn't be heard. The bad part is that it gave a lot of people a voice that previously couldn't be heard and shouldn't be heard.
I love how destiny has an ironically adopted the fanatic strategy of repeating the first few words of his sentence until everyone shuts up so he can continue, it is very effective
The free speech he wants is the government takeover of private companies, and then to ensure that whatever demagogue yells and lies the loudest can take over the US.
its awesome because most of these conservatives love playing to the crowd instead of engaging with the argument. destiny reeling his stupid ass back in the conversation when he was looking to the audience for validation was such a good move
@@johnathanreyes118 I meannn people on both side of the political spectrum do this. Not fair to generalize and say 'oh it's mostly just this side that does it'
@@Thanosdidtherighthing I’m super convinced he is despite gameranx coming out and saying it wasn’t him. I believe they made a statement anyways. But I’m 100% sure he is
The most bizarre thing is Destiny, the liberal, is arguing against the same talking points from a conservative, a communist, and a ???? I dunno know Neeko is
“So Niko, this problem needs solved, how would you do that?” Niko: “i would solve the problem.” “Ya, how?” Niko: “by finding a solution to the problem.” “Ok, what would that look like?” Niko: “it would look like the problem but like... solved.” .... i have a feeling this will be the whole debate.
@@josh_harrison Or Niko, they are conservatives in every way but name. Their content is literally right-wing conspiracy theories, anti-vaxer, attacking Dems relentlessly, and either ignoring Republican fu*kery, or shamelessly defending it. They normalise and often work with far-right groups, like the Boogaloo Bums, and Niko, I *think* did a cosy little documentary with some Neo-Nazi POS. When Niko screams like a petulant child about 'cancel culture' and 'censorship' he's not worried in the least about anyone on the left... He's worried about Trump, and conservative commentators. I'm willing to wager he has *NOT SAID A SINGLE WORD,* about the right trying to ban children from receiving an honest, robust, high quality, and well rounded education. Right wing media and Republicans officials are literally force-feeding conservative PARENTS, conspiracy theories, propaganda and brainwashing them into believing that their children are be made to have age inappropriate lessons, on LGBTQ issues, and parents are being cheered on, for their abuse of teachers and the school board. They literally want to have full control of what *everyone's* children are allowed to be taught, they are trying to indoctrinate kids with conservative, Christan, ideologies. But Niko, Jimmy Dore, Glenn Greenwald, Aaron Mate and the rest of Faux leftist, Right-wing apologists, have ZERO to say about it. They just want Trump to be able to insight riots, because they care ONLY about getting money and attention.
He is one of those people who Watched Destiny or Vaush and thinks he can use their tactics WITHOUT using his substance. If you're going to talk over some, at least SAY SOMETHING. Don't keep screaming "I'm not playing this game" You may as well let them talk and then deconstruct why its a game.
"WHAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO!... WHAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO TODAY DESTINY!... IS EVER SPEAK WITHOUT ME SCREAMING OVER EVERY SINGLE WORD YOU TRY TO SAY!" Edit: it was the "you've made me tired" of this debate. Same energy.
its funny it took me one google search to find out that its a company, from the CIA that gives out riskloans basicly, it wants to further technical advances and for that reason they invest some money in companys. idk why he thinks its unlimited money
@@MsSplasch I didn't even have to look it up to know that I was most likely loans or some kind of government funded program. The UNLIMITED FUNDING kinda hinted that he had barely any knowledge of what he was talking about.
This was more of a 1v1 between Niko and Destiny. I don't think the other two were ready for a heated debate lol All I learned from Niko though is I need to do a tech/social media business start up and cash in on that unlimited money the CIA are offering.
@@davidjohnson5557 Cant be better discourse when Niko gets so mad at Godstiny for his powers, couldnt even make legit relevant points his rage was fuming too hard out his ears at Destiny xD couldnt make sense of most he was saying too much chaos not enough sense
the funny thing about that stupid facebook isn't private point is that peter thiel didn't get involved until facebook was rebranded to "thefacebook" and was already extremely popular in the Boston area colleges. He was one of the co-founders of Paypal so it would make sense he was looking for a myspace alternatives. And if Facebook is suspected of being financed by the CIA simply because it's in Accel's portfolio, you could argue the same about every single company in the portfolio: Groupon, Kayak or Etsy! Who knew the CIA was behind the home-based craft trade economy! Scandalous.
I know this is a joke so I’m wasting my time, but I just wanted to say that I don’t think freedom of speech really applies to talking over each other in a debate. I say this not because most people think that it does in debates, but more because it seems like freedom of speech in debates is sometimes stretched super far to make the opposing side look bad by both sides. As in, when people accuse each other of being hypocritical for supporting free speech while saying people shouldn’t say certain things. "Yes they should have the right, but no they shouldn’t act on that right" is an obvious response. "Shouldn't" in the moral/ethical way, not the legal way. But yeah Niko seemed pretty unreasonable here. Also to the guy above me, I think “wittle” is the spelling to the fake word you’re looking for. You could even get away with “Weetle” maybe, but what the f*** is Wootil? Seek help.
No fucking way… I would’ve slammed my mic on the floor and walked out after being interrupted that many times especially if there’s a fucking moderator.
Mod: "You're like the tennis guy that's running around and hitting his own balls" Niko: "I can do that. I'm that good" I'd expect no less of an answer from a self-absorbed conspiracy theorist🤦♀️
Niko unloads 10 points in rapid-fire that are all about some crazy conspiracy theory Destiny says one word and this dude instantly starts screaming. Watched it live was mostly annoyed I couldn't hear destiny's points.
To be fair, both Destiny and this Niko guy constantly interrupted each other. With that being said, Niko seems profoundly undecided on these topics which is baffling considering he had time to prepare.
@@prometheus3498 Nah, I'm gonna have to hard disagree. Niko went in hard immediately, and Destiny had to gradually get more aggressive to finish a single point. Every single time Destiny got 10 words into literally any point, the Niko dude had to butt in with some bullshit. Destiny said this a couple times and I think it was on point: "Oh, I'm so sorry I interrupted your interruption of my point." This might be the most I've been annoyed watching a debate, and I don't think both of them are culpable.
@@timofcent1 Niko House seems like a black belt of debate interruption. It was honestly the most obnoxious thing I've seen in a while, partly because it was seemingly working.
Niko's breakdown of "reform 230" literally boils down to the same level of analysis as "People die in car crashes. Why don't they just make roads that people won't crash on?"
Precisely. Destiny asks for the particular reform that would address the issue, and Niko's idea is to just write it in such a way that makes the bad thing stop. It's so painfully obvious to him that everyone is an idiot for not seeing it. Unbeknownst to him though is that everyone has already arrived at and moved past his point of contention after realizing the complexities and nuance that are completely invisible to him. Confidence in idiocy is perhaps the most destructive condition to ever affect the human mind.
Niko doesn't have the intellectual capacity to debate. He's so insecure when he's out of his depth, that he starts acting like a tough guy, making an absolute fool of himself.
you think he left thinking he killed it, then got home and yelled over everyone who told him otherwise until he decided the only explanation was youtube elites created a grand new conspiracy that edited him to look stupid.
Nico is a prime example of how the dumbest person can dominate a convo by talking the loudest and drowning out everyone else bc they interrupt everyone else.
It feels like Niko's whole goal this debate was to not let Destiny talk as much as possible. Incredibly frustrating to have someone come in with what feels like strong desire to not have a productive conversation. The moderator should have stepped in multiple times there.
"Better Discourse" is a joke as far as I can tell. If they actually cared, they would set a time limit for rebuttals and cut off mikes for those who rudely interrupt as a time out.
It’s wild to me that Destiny was the only person on stage pushing back against insane unlimited CIA funding talking point dude kept bringing everything back around to.
Wow this Niko guy is absolutely insufferable to listen to. Not only is he slinging transparent conspiracy theory and propaganda (especially appropriate with his links to RT, the Russian propaganda machine) but his "debate behaviour" is so obnoxious. Incredibly performative and loud.
How long before Destiny accurately describes Niko house as psychotic? Also fucking shitty yet not surprising that Peter sided so easily with Niko regardless of how crazy he acted. Most importantly Arielle was the actual moderator and the way she made the mod step in and actually do his job was hilarious!
Didn't he basically do that? He explained in a video before that if someone rambles on and says the same stuff over and over that he describes them as 'psychotic'. ruclips.net/video/Ud9u40kuy_s/видео.html in the Post debate thoughts. At 52:25 he basically refers to it directly to him where he repeats the same stuff again and calls it a 'loop'.
I don’t have Destiny’s patience. I would have only mocked him. “You’re so right Niko. But it’s useless. You can scream all you want but the CIA is always watching. You think you’re changing minds? These people are paid actors and i’m a special agent. Go ahead Niko this is streaming to straight to HQ”
Niko's views on free speech are pretty well demonstrated on this panel, he cares that his speech can be elevated over other people constantly at the expense of everyone else's speech.
The fact that this event is called "Better Discourse" is extremely ironic. Niko is totally unhinged. He seriously needs to learn some decorum. His behavior does not help his argument at all.
Moderator: *Turns and gives a look of disapproval while the dude continues to steamroll* The moderator seems like a nice enough guy, and I know I'm biased. But I really wish they would've pulled that Niko dude's mic until he stopped interrupting.
Destiny hit the nail on the head when he was discussing how some people live in different realities and how it poisons the well of discourse. It’s nearly impossible to have a discussion about anything with people like Niko who probably believe the Pyramids were built by the Anunnaki and Fluorinated Water causes homosexuality in frogs.
The only credibility Niko House has in his favor is that he's black. If he was a white guy saying this stuff, no one would listen to him because he's about as charismatic as a piece of shit that a dog ate, and then shit out.
The gay frogs meme has a series of tests behind them that verifies that chemicals from herbacides (specifically the chemical atrazine) trigger sex changes in frogs across the nation. It doesn't make frogs gay, it makes them infertile and hermaphroditic (or fully female, causing bottlenecking of the frog population).
It takes two to tango here. Destiny was his usual obnoxious self and triggered Niko for sure. It should have been kept under control better, or preferably just not invite these two next time.
“How do you reform 230?” “We reform it by keeping it the same but changing it” “How?” “It’ll go through a process and committees and a process” Lmao I didn’t know it was so easy
Not to mention when Destiny brought up that it would kill a lot of sites his comeback is “we’ll just remake it so it doesn’t” and refuses to elaborate further
conspiracy theory a term created after the assassination of JFK by the F.B.I. as people asked awkward questions. Read up on project mocking birds a program set up by the F.B.I.
@@jackgenre11 conspiracy theories depend on assumptions that one will refuse to question as it will hold up and hold together all of the rest of the so-called facts, unlimited money isn't one of these clear facts we all agree on it's the Assumption you have to use to make the rest of the theory 'work', the line and the difference between a factual proven conspiracy and the theory of one with only circumstantial evidence and wishful thinking
@@dreamspique844 Now a theory is basically deductive reasoning based on certain factors evidence, available data and pattern probability. Now conspiracies do exists on all levels of life from people working together to surprise someone someone with a gift too iverthrowing a regime. Now he pointed factual point an off shoot of the F B.I. that has an agency that interested heavily into these companies. That then after breaching the agreement that give the certain protections not having those protections removed.
@@dreamspique844 Now nothing is unlimited but as a literary tool it hammered the point home that the government has the wealth of a nation behind their actions.
It’s a popular fan theory within the Gameranx community, that Falcon’s secret identity “could be” that Peter…But they have a contract that protects the identity of Falcon. So nobody knows for sure.
@@TapDat52K I mean it is, he has a distinct voice and speech patterns, the REAL question is why is Coffin so connected, why is this loser invited into whatever, Daddy's money I assume.
This didn't age well for those who were arguing against destiny once the Twitter files showed Twitter rejecting a lot of the government's request. It's also crazy to me how people redefine words on a whim like this. Saying Facebook is a publisher because of moderation and Algorithms is crazy.
Red pants guy made horrible points. Almost nothing he said actually had to do with whether or not private businesses are private. Private companies having an affect on the election doesn’t make it government ran. Private businesses having a large affect on the economy and job opportunities doesn’t make it government ran. What is he even talking about?
after his first rant on the cia running facebook amazon and tesla i was reminded why destiny wants to know the conspiracy theories before the debate. how the fuck do you dispute such a thing without sources???
1:03:00 "Niko if you could change one thing what would it be?" Niko: You could demand that the reason for a ban be made public but that wouldn't do anything. (Disagreeing with Arielle and Destiny's suggestion) Moderator: Ok so what would be one thing you could change Niko: *2 minute monologue about Alex Jones which comes down to making reasons for bans public would be a good thing for accountability* (Agrees with Arielle and Destiny's suggestion) Niko is a fucking troll clown
Everyone trying to talk over each other made getting any sort of information or meaning from this panel absolutely pointless and there was no good educational reason to watch this. 10/10 content. Keep up the good work, Steven
I'm at 22 minutes rn and I'm not sure i can continue i wish i could strangle this dude through the display at this point in a videogame of course destiny's patience is insane
@beast machine destiny counters him super hard every time but the guy is just on loop every time because he can’t fathom the idea that his original point is wrong
Destiny is talking to 3 of the most insufferable people online, I’ve literally blocked all their channels, I canNOT watch them. It’s great that Destiny is battling them
when your initial reaction is to block someone you don't agree with, you have problems. You'll probably never interact with any of these people regardless.
Destiny is way more intrusive when talking to them, and I love it. Countless times we have seen Destiny not finish his sentence because of his opponent cutting him off everytime he tries to make a point. Finally it feels like a breath of fresh air
Well some of it has to do with this being live. If he was on an online debate he’d have gotten muted or the other person would have gotten muted, and he also would have his piano debate tactic to keep himself from flying off the handle Here he can’t be muted and can basically go all out and has no restraints
i was really impressed by this performance - there are a lot of people that will do the most behind a computer screen and act timid irl, but Destiny keeps the same energy in person as well. that's dope
Wait wait he work for RT news? Oh that makes sense he got unlimited money coming in that why he keep saying the crap about unlimited money and owned by the cia. What an obnoxious clown he is
This guy Niko, ironically made his own argument against his own position. Misinformation and conspiracy theories are dominating actual scientific evidence and real info.
It's basically the end of the world if wastes of space like him (and many others) continue to gain prominence while discourse deteriorates. Just a matter of time before heads of state start saying "F it, even if I start a war we just blame it on the others and whoever yells the loudest is right in the end."
Yeah I thought the same. This guys idea of "free speech absolutism" is flooding everyone else with so much bullshit that they can't ever even get a word in edgewise.
Destiny's Kubrick stare, dark shirt and blue jeans, and Godfather-esque shadows in his eyes symbolize the looming presence of his dark triad personality during the debate.
I have so much respect for Destiny he just goes for it no holds barred completely speaks his mind that’s what I like. I don’t have to agree or align with all his views to respect that he is just very authentic and I appreciate that.
26:20 the reason Scarcella started to get banned when she came out on the right is because she started to get reported more by left leaning people who discovered her content and realized that she had so much ban worthy material. The inability for them to consider confounding variables so they manufacture a conspiracy theory against them is really annoying. You attracted a lot more haters, that's why you started to get banned, not because RUclips gives a shit about whether you are a liberal or not.
youtube is slow on banning lewd content in general. There is literal cropped porn on youtube that took years to get removed XD youtube is literally just that terrible at moderating their shit
I also want to add that YT literally changes their ToS policies like overnight, they have to keep up with the more innovative ways people use their platform. So what u were doing on YT a year ago that didn't get noticed easily can get noticed NOW because they changed ToS policy last week. these fucking people.
Niko and Peter unironically trigger me with how they can’t see the different between Twitter and Fox. The difference is a random user isn’t employed by Twitter, therefore they legally don’t represent the company. It’s so stupid
under section 230 you would be correct. but if twitter takes a moderator position they are, by proxy, endorsing anything that is posted and remains on twitter without consequence.
@@XAssassinTotX96 most of the time, legally its treated the same. if I allow someone to attack you I will be treated as if I endorsed it if my person, property or power was used to make it happen
A true sign that you're losing a debate is when you need to shout overtop of a guy speaking so he stops because you're unable to listen and learn. Destiny does a great job of being patient, waiting to speak and not talking over everyone.
Niko is a walking prop 65 warning that labels everything as an equal carcinogen. Destiny, keep up the fight, man. This Niko dude is so damn conspiratorial and appealing to anecdote and begging the question. This isn't how we determine knowledge, and in fact distracts from its pursuit.
Also the algorithms are at the heart of the websites intellectual property... its tricky to fully disclose that. It's unfortunate the nuance of these services fulfilling public utility didn't really get explored and how responsibilities of private companies, the citizens, and government are changing as a reaction to increased accessibility. Its the tragedy of the commons that any rule that is "assumed" and not documented will be necessarily exploited the moment it gives someone a competitive advantage, and like Healthcare, the exploitation of that necessity means it can't healthfully act as a free market.
Oh Jesus I didn't know how accurate I'd be until he brought up ivermectin. Ivermectin is the canary in the coal mine for someone's medical and med-sci competency
This debate is a great illustration of why a private platform might want to implement some amount of discretion on who posts what. Without any control on the discourse, some braying jackass is going to just keep spouting off and undermine the speech of others on the platform. So in the pursuit of maximizing freedom of speech on paper, what ends up happening is one or two users get to effectively silence everyone else.
Not really? How one or two users can silence all other users if they don't have power to prevent them from speaking and uploading content? At most they can outperform them in terms of an audience but even then it's not going to be one or two users this will be large group of users. It wouldn't really be much different than in that regard where there is large group of major for an example youtubers or E-cebs on social media that receive a lot of views. However, what would be different under such system would be that Social media wouldn't be able to artificially (ie control) create such group of people at least in terms of speech or political speech (leaving it for the people to chose content they want to watch) and dissenting views (be it regarding normative or descriptive claims wouldn't be crushed by social media, which is a problem considering enormous role of few social media platforms have over decimation of information and discourse in modern day). Now question is what is a solution to that problem (I certainly see it as a problem because it gives social media that seem to be fairly unanimous regarding what to censor on their platforms and what not). One solution I think would be some law mandating that certain social media that meet certain threshold of users on their platforms have to allow free expression or free expression of ideas/information on their platforms or else be treated as publishers. It's not a perfect solution because group of wealthy people could still control large group of small companies and control speech on those (sort of creating still unanimity in censorship broadly). Another solution would be simply expand it to every social media platform that allows on communication while still allowing to moderate certain illegal contents and perhaps certain content like NSFW (ie pornography and gore to certain sections of website). I'm not fond of it because idea of freedom of individuals and freedom of business owners collide here and one way or another there will be loss of freedom for one of those party. However, ultimately in this control that is obtained by a massive corporations will eventually lead to loss of individual freedoms so I will go less freedoms for such institutions and more to individuals. Problem with destiny anti-trust argument is that it doesn't work unless maybe if you drastically alter anti-trust laws. Those "mega corps" don't have to "cooperate" or do so visibly to censor speech and deprive people from ability to decimate information corporations (or government) find unacceptable by whatever criteria (assuming it won't be just arbitrary) to establish (regardless that criteria is open to knowledge of public/users or not) only be unanimous in at least some of their decisions to what ideas and information to censor and allow. All those massive corporate entities need to do deprive people from effectively to access to what is in modern public square effectively (ironically privately owned public square) where people gather to exchange/provide/obtain information and generally have discourse on. And this already has happened in regard to for an example banning Alex Jones from major social media platforms or banning certain kinds of information regarding identity of Whistelblower, Covid (Masks or vaccines), "hate speech" rules and list goes on. This is of course doesn't go into crushing competition (which may or not influenced by direct competitors) by third party services in which essentially alternative social media one that don't conform to filtering content are deprived payment processing services, hosting services etc which are necessary or essential not only perhaps for their ability to compete but even to continue business in the first place .
@@Crispman_777 And that's not Niko's perspective as well? Both thought the other was rattling off nonsense and felt the need to correct or challenge them in the middle of their explanations. All I'm saying is that if you complain about something being done unto you but you do that same thing to the other person, it looks silly.
have you seen the news on the hunter biden stuff with twitter and the fbi? everything they said about hunter was true and twitter covered it on behalf of the fbi...
@@daMillenialTrucker You mean the Twitter files? Did you actually read them? It says that the Biden campaign (not part of the government by the way) asked Twitter to take down naked photos of Hunter Biden. Photos that already violate twitters terms of service. You probably didn’t actually read what came out. You just regurgitate what other far right people have said.
As a conservative, watching these other clowns on stage not defend a private company's right to moderate their own platform is the highest level of cringe...
It’s funny seeing how engaged this niko guy is when someone who he agrees with speaks as apposed yo whenever Steven speaks. The second Steven starts speaking and trying to articulate his points, niko starts screaming over him, but when ever one of the other panelists is speaking he’s looking at them waiting patiently and fully taking in the information they’re presenting. It’s toxic af. As I’m continuing to watch this I see all the other panelists looking at Steven when he speaks and Niko just looking out into the crowd.
Ariel has nothing of any real consequence to say, she just likes to deliberately say $h*t that *she KNOWS* will upset or offend, so she can say she's been "cancelled" gets some attention, and some donations... Rinse and repeat... 🥱😴
She's destroyed her channel with bad takes, misinformation and an overall offputting change of tone, and she's determined to blame anyone but herself for it
@@imitationkrabbe3268 IKR 🙄.. She's so self absorbed, actually believing that RUclips has a clue about how she "left the left" and are now trying to censor her! 🤭 She never stops boring everyone with that non-event. She wasn't even really known in the political community, and she felt herself important enough to publicly announce that she was now a conservative.. How conceited is she??.. She also made a long video about it, and then kind of did a tour of different channels to be interviewed about it. When you look at what it was really about, it's very obvious that she staged the entire event and isn't a very good person, *AT ALL!* Her channel wasn't getting the views she needed to sustain an income. And being gay, she knew she could exploit her sexuality if she pretended to be a left-winger, who now was sick of the left and pretend to nosw be a Conservative and also gay. But the most disgusting thing about it was, she needed "publicity" so she used the Transgender community to get it, she made up some, spiel about being attacked by them on social media, because she didn't agree that they're real women. That was the gist of it. Like the Trans community don't already have enough abuse from conservatives already. She also had a couple of friends that were Trans men. And she told everyone that they didn't have a problem with her opinions, and they kind of went along with it at first because they didn't want to fall out with her, but a few months later they made a video saying actually theyd had enough of her using them as characters in the Ariel show, and the stuff she was spewing for money and subs, was actually extremely hurtful.
The shit she gets cancelled over (by the Left) are ridiculous. If you have been on the left politically all your life and you start getting attacked for benign opinions, you would start feeling at least some resentment towards them too. It's horrible political strategy and optics, based solely on the belief that those who are attempting to get you cancelled are holier than thou. If a campaign is run on that, there is a good chance it will lose. Not the best way to hold voters on your side, let alone bring the other side to yours. The vast majority of the Left do not get this.
I love people who upset and offend the easily upset-able and offend-able. Unfortunately, Ariel just isn't very bright. And she truly added nothing to this debate debacle.
@@ianbenjiman And of course when someone from 'the right' publicly has an opinion that differs from the status quo, they're all just fine with it, huh? 🙄 Give me a break.
The question would be, can there be additions or changes to it to improve how it works. But i do think the use of anti trust might be more appropriate. I think there is a bit of straw afoot when they say reform and in the reply destiny says repeal. everybody knows repeal is a bad idea, but there are options in reforming it
The argument has been reframed as “repealing section 230” for the very reason you put forward. The reframing is just a way to win a fight. Not solve an issue. You can protect individual speech AND protect the platforms ability to platform.
Its weird, on AJW’s stream of the events, they were saying the exact opposite, and were even accusing him of taking estrogen. I honestly don’t think he comes off as looking that “beta”.
Yeah. Saying Facebook is a publisher is like saying a bookstore is a publisher because it sells books. It isn't. Now if a bookstore sells a book that it created itself (like Barnes and Noble sometimes does) it would be a publisher in that instance.
Yeah even then bookstores that run their own publishing wings can’t be held accountable for EVERYTHING they published as though they are the publisher, they can only be held accountable as a publisher for the specific things they publish. So like if Facebook were to decide to start publishing their own articles, their accountability for what is on their platform would begin and end with those particular articles that they published, it wouldn’t and shouldn’t carry over to everything posted on their website. It’s so obvious how these things work that I feel dumber for even bothering to discuss or think about it. The people who don’t understand this must be being intentionally obtuse, right? Or are they really this stupid?
@@zenleeparadise ofc that's why i said they're *m o r e* of a publisher than facebook. If you had to fit either one into the category the argument would be stronger for a storefront than for social media.
A newspaper has an op-Ed section, it doesn’t receive liability protections on it. Facebook is choosing content, it’s editorializing, it shouldn’t receive liability protections if it’s not going to be neutral.
Niko's tactic is to rant and rave while the other person responds because he knows his argument doesn't hold water. He's trying to compensate for his ignorance on the subject.
Destiny attends the Better Discourse conference live debate and gives us a very heated and enjoyable 1v3 debate.
2nd debate panel vs Acual Justice Warrior, Jack Posobiec, Sara Gonzales and the moderator ►ruclips.net/video/i9LpeNyis3g/видео.html
BINGQILIN! Another great video by our NFT loving leader!
@@RaimoR1 wdym, a publisher is someone who agrees with all the content that gets created on the site, vs a host who doesn’t, it was fairly clear
Have you talked about what happened in the great depression and recession?
@No One not really. Im like 25 minute into and niko is really destroying him
@@RaimoR1 not only that destiny tends to inaccurately frame or say what the arguements are about or what niko is saying. Sometimes he just over looks plain things niko is saying. Its why niko has to repeat himself
But niko just address his points with things that actually happened as well.
This is like a normal destiny debate with added reverb
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AY never thought I would see you here.
Love your videos man
holy shit i knew there was a connection between WoW players and Destiny as i play WoW and watched this debate live lmao
H O L Y S H I T
I wish there was a mute button in real life.
>Better discourse
“Ironic”
-Palpatine
Took it out of my mouth
omg i thought the same thing. the worst discourse with the title of better discourse. XD XD
Worse Discourse Event
Exactly, that's hilarious!!
Better for people who love drama I guess...
Niko House is giving a masterclass on why nobody should be afraid they're too dumb to become a successful political commentator.
Niko is a perfect example of why free speech absolutism is horse shit. People are dumb. In the free market of ideas, the one who wins is the loudest and most confident, not the one who makes the best point. People buy this shit because they truly believe they can't be manipulated, despite psychology/sociology saying otherwise.
Destiny is one of the best examples as well. Shallow thinker and uneducated. And don't get me started on how bad he is in the debate format . But this is what happens when you become a successful streamer playing video games and at the same time is highly opinionated and naturally argumentative so you venture out into the real world. You see a whole niche of intellectual wannabe's with some small knowledge on a lot of topics trying to Dunning Kruger themselves into the political zeitgest and notoriety. The internet was a fantastic revolution in that it gave a voice to a lot of people that before couldn't be heard. The bad part is that it gave a lot of people a voice that previously couldn't be heard and shouldn't be heard.
@@OriginalMindTrick Can you give an example of something he's talked about that he didn't have the necessary education to be discussing?
@@naoltitude9516 Can you say one topic he is?
@@OriginalMindTrick Music
Imagine having a big ass sign with “better discourse” written on it, and then putting niko house in front of it.
Best troll ever.
LOLOLOLOL
True. Also written*
@@Scardor fixed. Thanks.
haaaa
“BetterDiscorse”
*Niko verbal airhorn noises”
Lmaoo
I love how destiny has an ironically adopted the fanatic strategy of repeating the first few words of his sentence until everyone shuts up so he can continue, it is very effective
I noticed that too 😂😂 love it
what else are you gonna do when your opponent is yelling into the mic every time you try to say something, besides walk away?
when i got to sweden
when i got to sweden
Ironic that in better discourse he has adopted these aids tactics
Niko: "I'm a free speech absolutist"
Also Niko: Doesn't give Destiny the freedom to speak
The free speech he wants is the government takeover of private companies, and then to ensure that whatever demagogue yells and lies the loudest can take over the US.
@@Alic4444 excellent summation
😂😂
I mean Steven does this to everyone all the time. He got a taste of his own medicine this time
@@Alic4444 um, isn’t he arguing literally the exact opposite of government control?
Chadstiny asking Nico to look at him and not the audience is an absolute Sigma move
its awesome because most of these conservatives love playing to the crowd instead of engaging with the argument. destiny reeling his stupid ass back in the conversation when he was looking to the audience for validation was such a good move
Wait time stamp and I’ll give you all my social cresit
Mistype 😭
@@poadude 23:23 in case you haven't found it already
@@johnathanreyes118 I meannn people on both side of the political spectrum do this. Not fair to generalize and say 'oh it's mostly just this side that does it'
It's cool to see that they invited Peter Coffin's girlfriend to this event.
@@Thanosdidtherighthing I’m super convinced he is despite gameranx coming out and saying it wasn’t him. I believe they made a statement anyways. But I’m 100% sure he is
Hahahaha
@@Thanosdidtherighthing he must be. the speech patterns are way too similar.
Stole that from wickedsupreme from the subreddit feelsweirdsman
I thought it was nice they let her stand by him on stage for support too, should've got her a chair though poor gal.
I love the way Destiny always matches the energy of the most extreme person, even in an IRL panel
This comment deserves way more likes
Holy shit, Niko made Peter Coffin a likable person comparatively.
Neeko lmao
@@jaybayer3670 Sorry, brain rotted for playing too much LOL.
The most bizarre thing is Destiny, the liberal, is arguing against the same talking points from a conservative, a communist, and a ???? I dunno know Neeko is
@@ataridc A Tulsi supporter.
Peter Coffin offered nothing in this discussion.
For a Free Speech absolutist Nico House was pretty consistent in trying to censor Destiny.
It's because hes funded by the KGB 😂
@@skullingtonfx4441 right?! Did you see how RED his pants were?
Right?😂
Destiny does the same and he thinks he knows everything. I side with Nico.
" i believe in more speech but if i can't argue against it then I raise my voice and start shouting "
“So Niko, this problem needs solved, how would you do that?”
Niko: “i would solve the problem.”
“Ya, how?”
Niko: “by finding a solution to the problem.”
“Ok, what would that look like?”
Niko: “it would look like the problem but like... solved.”
.... i have a feeling this will be the whole debate.
Correct
One of those ones that likes the sound of his own voice and just repeats shit he hears from someone else. No original thought or concept
Man Niko is such a horrible debater. Bad practices, driven by ego, and loves to talk loudly.
Found out he's subscribed to Jimmy Dore... The shit he was espousing makes sense now. 😒
He's that type of "leftist," ugh.
I came to this comment section to express that, but couldn't say it better myself.
@@josh_harrison Or Niko, they are conservatives in every way but name. Their content is literally right-wing conspiracy theories, anti-vaxer, attacking Dems relentlessly, and either ignoring Republican fu*kery, or shamelessly defending it. They normalise and often work with far-right groups, like the Boogaloo Bums, and Niko, I *think* did a cosy little documentary with some Neo-Nazi POS.
When Niko screams like a petulant child about 'cancel culture' and 'censorship' he's not worried in the least about anyone on the left... He's worried about Trump, and conservative commentators.
I'm willing to wager he has *NOT SAID A SINGLE WORD,* about the right trying to ban children from receiving an honest, robust, high quality, and well rounded education. Right wing media and Republicans officials are literally force-feeding conservative PARENTS, conspiracy theories, propaganda and brainwashing them into believing that their children are be made to have age inappropriate lessons, on LGBTQ issues, and parents are being cheered on, for their abuse of teachers and the school board. They literally want to have full control of what *everyone's* children are allowed to be taught, they are trying to indoctrinate kids with conservative, Christan, ideologies.
But Niko, Jimmy Dore, Glenn Greenwald, Aaron Mate and the rest of Faux leftist, Right-wing apologists, have ZERO to say about it. They just want Trump to be able to insight riots, because they care ONLY about getting money and attention.
@@the-renegade Does he charade as a lefty? I don't know his history but his channel looks borderline Alt-Right.
He is one of those people who Watched Destiny or Vaush and thinks he can use their tactics WITHOUT using his substance. If you're going to talk over some, at least SAY SOMETHING. Don't keep screaming "I'm not playing this game" You may as well let them talk and then deconstruct why its a game.
how to beat destiny in a debate; yell "PAUSE" every time he starts talking and stun lock him until he concedes. EZ clap
And never make eye contact to assert dominance
Beta female streamer gets destroyed by alpha debater. Amazin
He didn’t have his pvp trinket to break out of it.
"WHAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO!... WHAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO TODAY DESTINY!... IS EVER SPEAK WITHOUT ME SCREAMING OVER EVERY SINGLE WORD YOU TRY TO SAY!"
Edit: it was the "you've made me tired" of this debate. Same energy.
Once he's stunned you kick him from the panel or take his mic
Holy duck 10 mins in and this Niko dude is already claiming that the CIA is responsible for every successful business in the last decade
guess we finally found a country where socialism works
Wait did he say Peter Thiel was CIA? Wow. That’s a new one.
He is also a RT contributor which is a government funded media organization lol
its funny it took me one google search to find out that its a company, from the CIA that gives out riskloans basicly, it wants to further technical advances and for that reason they invest some money in companys. idk why he thinks its unlimited money
@@MsSplasch I didn't even have to look it up to know that I was most likely loans or some kind of government funded program. The UNLIMITED FUNDING kinda hinted that he had barely any knowledge of what he was talking about.
This was more of a 1v1 between Niko and Destiny. I don't think the other two were ready for a heated debate lol
All I learned from Niko though is I need to do a tech/social media business start up and cash in on that unlimited money the CIA are offering.
plus they wont even tax you, even though they run the company. big brain moves.
The other two probably thought it was going to be a more a organized format considering the title of the show is Better Discourse III :p
Lmao
@@davidjohnson5557 Cant be better discourse when Niko gets so mad at Godstiny for his powers, couldnt even make legit relevant points his rage was fuming too hard out his ears at Destiny xD couldnt make sense of most he was saying too much chaos not enough sense
the funny thing about that stupid facebook isn't private point is that peter thiel didn't get involved until facebook was rebranded to "thefacebook" and was already extremely popular in the Boston area colleges. He was one of the co-founders of Paypal so it would make sense he was looking for a myspace alternatives. And if Facebook is suspected of being financed by the CIA simply because it's in Accel's portfolio, you could argue the same about every single company in the portfolio: Groupon, Kayak or Etsy! Who knew the CIA was behind the home-based craft trade economy! Scandalous.
For a free speech absolutist, Niko sure likes to limit Destiny's speech...
TRRRUE!
Awwww are we crying ? Is that a wootil tear coming down your face? Awwww!!
I know this is a joke so I’m wasting my time, but I just wanted to say that I don’t think freedom of speech really applies to talking over each other in a debate. I say this not because most people think that it does in debates, but more because it seems like freedom of speech in debates is sometimes stretched super far to make the opposing side look bad by both sides. As in, when people accuse each other of being hypocritical for supporting free speech while saying people shouldn’t say certain things. "Yes they should have the right, but no they shouldn’t act on that right" is an obvious response. "Shouldn't" in the moral/ethical way, not the legal way. But yeah Niko seemed pretty unreasonable here. Also to the guy above me, I think “wittle” is the spelling to the fake word you’re looking for. You could even get away with “Weetle” maybe, but what the f*** is Wootil? Seek help.
Didn't Niko literally work for the Russian governmet?
@@rowlissthebenigndrow3145 no, looks like it's just you... and wtf is a wootil?
“HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TO A COUNTRY OUTSIDE OF EUROPE?!”
Destiny: Yes
He embarrassed tf out of himself with that.
Lmao.
Moving onnnn…
I legit thought that "bro..." would be followed up with "Taiwan isn't a country"
America
Buffstiny is much more aggressive and will not accept interruptions. This new form is frightening.
It’s not even his final form….truly terrifying
He's powering up.... we aren't ready...
He starting to evolve, soon he will surpass vaush physically
@@kiritimatiswan1986 I’m not sure vaush is buff
@@lordfifth3106 I never say buff, stop publishing my comment
if you ever feel useless, remember that this debate had a moderator
Literally THE WORST moderator I have EVER SEEN! Absolutely abysmal
No fucking way… I would’ve slammed my mic on the floor and walked out after being interrupted that many times especially if there’s a fucking moderator.
This needs to be pinned
Mod: "You're like the tennis guy that's running around and hitting his own balls"
Niko: "I can do that. I'm that good"
I'd expect no less of an answer from a self-absorbed conspiracy theorist🤦♀️
I think Coffin is the one that hits his own balls
@@hakemate7005 LMAO
@@hakemate7005 holy shit 10/10 meme
@@hakemate7005 AHHAHAHAH
His balls are complaints and his racket is no ability to problem solve.
Niko unloads 10 points in rapid-fire that are all about some crazy conspiracy theory
Destiny says one word and this dude instantly starts screaming. Watched it live was mostly annoyed I couldn't hear destiny's points.
To be fair, both Destiny and this Niko guy constantly interrupted each other. With that being said, Niko seems profoundly undecided on these topics which is baffling considering he had time to prepare.
@@prometheus3498 Nah, I'm gonna have to hard disagree. Niko went in hard immediately, and Destiny had to gradually get more aggressive to finish a single point. Every single time Destiny got 10 words into literally any point, the Niko dude had to butt in with some bullshit. Destiny said this a couple times and I think it was on point: "Oh, I'm so sorry I interrupted your interruption of my point." This might be the most I've been annoyed watching a debate, and I don't think both of them are culpable.
@@timofcent1 Niko House seems like a black belt of debate interruption. It was honestly the most obnoxious thing I've seen in a while, partly because it was seemingly working.
To be fair, BOTH did it.
And yes! It is ANNOYING!
@@irritatingtruth9121 no one denies that they both did it rather they're pointing out the source of the problem
Destiny: Niko said ONE thing right earlier
Niko: I didn’t say that, I didn’t say that
Niko's breakdown of "reform 230" literally boils down to the same level of analysis as "People die in car crashes. Why don't they just make roads that people won't crash on?"
Next level up: 'there are a lot of car crashes near construction zones. We could surely reduce the accidents by stopping construction.'
Precisely. Destiny asks for the particular reform that would address the issue, and Niko's idea is to just write it in such a way that makes the bad thing stop. It's so painfully obvious to him that everyone is an idiot for not seeing it. Unbeknownst to him though is that everyone has already arrived at and moved past his point of contention after realizing the complexities and nuance that are completely invisible to him. Confidence in idiocy is perhaps the most destructive condition to ever affect the human mind.
So stupid yeah
Just make crashing illegal.
Based answer: abolish personal ownership of vehicles. Public transportation only. No more car crashes :)
Love how niko house screams even when he has a mic. Jesse lee Peterson would say “that’s yo momma talking”😂😂
@@Thanosdidtherighthing amazin
BAYDUH
haha he would tho haha.you know that one a woman gets mad haha.JPL is crazy as f bro
He clearly has anger. An obvious woman trait
@@komlat253 he’s insane, I once heard him say “the devil comes out from within a woman” lol
43:23 "Oh my god I'm sorry did I just interrupt your interruption of my answer to his question? I'm sorry." was my favourite part of the panel.
Niko doesn't have the intellectual capacity to debate. He's so insecure when he's out of his depth, that he starts acting like a tough guy, making an absolute fool of himself.
Typical african
@@gttryhyujytudtgjghjdcjdg998 woah, where the fuck does that come from.
@@fredchou123 All of his comments are messed up.
He *clearly* didn't get hugged enough by his mother... 🤷🏽♀️
@@gttryhyujytudtgjghjdcjdg998 you gotta step up your trolling, shit's weak
@@CuZtuga idk yall look kinda triggered over here.
Niko: Facebook has unlimited government money
Also Niko: We need to hit Facebook in their pockets by letting Alex Jones sue them
*Make a drinking game for every time he says “unlimited funding”.
@@trobins4473 You'd end up almost as incoherent as House.
I like how Niko was like "What did Alex Jones even do?!" Seriously?
If facebook has access to unlimited government money, why do they need to sell our info or advertising space? Like, wtf?
Absolutely, the funding info would come out in crt of law
This Niko person is insufferable. Literally impossible to have a productive conversation with someone who thinks that is communication.
you think he left thinking he killed it, then got home and yelled over everyone who told him otherwise until he decided the only explanation was youtube elites created a grand new conspiracy that edited him to look stupid.
Nico is a prime example of how the dumbest person can dominate a convo by talking the loudest and drowning out everyone else bc they interrupt everyone else.
Ironically he is the best proof against his idea that "correct" ideas float to the top.
imnotracistimnotracist okay? I am not a racist xP, im not a racsit But isn't that most black people in debates in general?
@@greyman8335 ?no what
@@greyman8335 no. That's racist
@greyman8335 no that's not racist. it's definitely race based prejudice but not racist
It feels like Niko's whole goal this debate was to not let Destiny talk as much as possible. Incredibly frustrating to have someone come in with what feels like strong desire to not have a productive conversation. The moderator should have stepped in multiple times there.
The moderator is on on the grift.
"Better Discourse" is a joke as far as I can tell. If they actually cared, they would set a time limit for rebuttals and cut off mikes for those who rudely interrupt as a time out.
It’s wild to me that Destiny was the only person on stage pushing back against insane unlimited CIA funding talking point dude kept bringing everything back around to.
They didn't wanted to be shouted at.
@@jumpoutatree beydas
Lefties like using the CIA as a scapegoat too
@@tarfielarchelone2674 amazing!
The other 2 probably dont care if it's true or not cause it fit their narrative
When Destiny started listing countries he’s been to that aren’t in Europe, Niko had to pause and laugh nervously
Timestamp please ?
That was my favorite part. "Bruh.... hehehe..."
Wow this Niko guy is absolutely insufferable to listen to. Not only is he slinging transparent conspiracy theory and propaganda (especially appropriate with his links to RT, the Russian propaganda machine) but his "debate behaviour" is so obnoxious. Incredibly performative and loud.
The yelling hurt my damn ears. Destiny raised his voice in response, but never to that level
Not even 10 minutes in and Niko proves himself to be a crazy conspiracy theorist.
He is unbearable ....
@s p y d e r yeah I love racing
@s p y d e r and?
He's like a black Tim Pool
@s p y d e r lmao workshop your shit please
I'm pretty far right but Destiny completely obliterates Niko. Also, first and last time that I'll ever hear Niko talk again.
“Better discourse” any time Steven tries to engage with Niko in a genuine conversation Niko cries like a baby.
How long before Destiny accurately describes Niko house as psychotic? Also fucking shitty yet not surprising that Peter sided so easily with Niko regardless of how crazy he acted. Most importantly Arielle was the actual moderator and the way she made the mod step in and actually do his job was hilarious!
Bruh we all know that this is what they wanted.
You can still make good points despite being slightly impetuous
Nikos inflections and constant annunciation if every word like it was important reminds me of a male Karen that guy was obnoxious
Didn't he basically do that? He explained in a video before that if someone rambles on and says the same stuff over and over that he describes them as 'psychotic'. ruclips.net/video/Ud9u40kuy_s/видео.html in the Post debate thoughts. At 52:25 he basically refers to it directly to him where he repeats the same stuff again and calls it a 'loop'.
@@exTro95
I think they were more looking for it to be done live and in person to his face. But yes they did miss destiny already doing this
Destiny : **has been talking for almost five full seconds**
Niko: time to start yelling
I don’t have Destiny’s patience. I would have only mocked him. “You’re so right Niko. But it’s useless. You can scream all you want but the CIA is always watching. You think you’re changing minds? These people are paid actors and i’m a special agent. Go ahead Niko this is streaming to straight to HQ”
lmfao
😂😂😂😂 I don’t even know you and you’re my favorite person now lol
Niko's views on free speech are pretty well demonstrated on this panel, he cares that his speech can be elevated over other people constantly at the expense of everyone else's speech.
The fact that this event is called "Better Discourse" is extremely ironic. Niko is totally unhinged. He seriously needs to learn some decorum. His behavior does not help his argument at all.
Destiny: "So -"
Niko: "WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THATS INSANE?" [Goes on 5 minute monologue]
"Moderator":
Moderator: *Turns and gives a look of disapproval while the dude continues to steamroll*
The moderator seems like a nice enough guy, and I know I'm biased. But I really wish they would've pulled that Niko dude's mic until he stopped interrupting.
The moderator let that happened then would turn to someone else for a response like wtf lol. Terrible moderator.
The mod probably wasn't ready for it to be that heated I'm guessing@@timofcent1
Destiny hit the nail on the head when he was discussing how some people live in different realities and how it poisons the well of discourse. It’s nearly impossible to have a discussion about anything with people like Niko who probably believe the Pyramids were built by the Anunnaki and Fluorinated Water causes homosexuality in frogs.
They was kangs!
First off humans built the Pyramids with knowledge the Anunnaki gave them. The Anunnaki didn't build them persay. XDXDXD
You nailed it
The only credibility Niko House has in his favor is that he's black.
If he was a white guy saying this stuff, no one would listen to him because he's about as charismatic as a piece of shit that a dog ate, and then shit out.
The gay frogs meme has a series of tests behind them that verifies that chemicals from herbacides (specifically the chemical atrazine) trigger sex changes in frogs across the nation. It doesn't make frogs gay, it makes them infertile and hermaphroditic (or fully female, causing bottlenecking of the frog population).
Despite how incredibly frustrating Niko was here, the moderator was worse by allowing it.
It takes two to tango here. Destiny was his usual obnoxious self and triggered Niko for sure. It should have been kept under control better, or preferably just not invite these two next time.
“How do you reform 230?”
“We reform it by keeping it the same but changing it”
“How?”
“It’ll go through a process and committees and a process”
Lmao I didn’t know it was so easy
Not to mention when Destiny brought up that it would kill a lot of sites his comeback is “we’ll just remake it so it doesn’t” and refuses to elaborate further
I think he might be trying to say that section 230 needs better enforcement to deal with political bias. But that might be more sane than he was.
@@hazzardalsohazzard2624 Yeah but HOW. Everyone has different views about political bias.
He legit sounded like the commie larpers. "We don't know how to do it, but trust us, it will go thru central committee and bring utopia!"
Niko's talking points are all conspiracy theories lol, "PAUSE"
He said unlimited money so much he almost summoned it
conspiracy theory a term created after the assassination of JFK by the F.B.I. as people asked awkward questions. Read up on project mocking birds a program set up by the F.B.I.
@@jackgenre11 conspiracy theories depend on assumptions that one will refuse to question as it will hold up and hold together all of the rest of the so-called facts,
unlimited money isn't one of these clear facts we all agree on it's the Assumption you have to use to make the rest of the theory 'work', the line and the difference between a factual proven conspiracy and the theory of one with only circumstantial evidence and wishful thinking
@@dreamspique844 Now a theory is basically deductive reasoning based on certain factors evidence, available data and pattern probability. Now conspiracies do exists on all levels of life from people working together to surprise someone someone with a gift too iverthrowing a regime. Now he pointed factual point an off shoot of the F B.I. that has an agency that interested heavily into these companies. That then after breaching the agreement that give the certain protections not having those protections removed.
@@dreamspique844 Now nothing is unlimited but as a literary tool it hammered the point home that the government has the wealth of a nation behind their actions.
Squidward: People talk loud when they wanna act smart, right?
Niko: CORRECT!!!
Niko is such a clown, really bummed I had to learn he exists.
LMAO
This is painfully accurate
Before this debate I had never heard of niko. I have destroyed brain cells now that I will never get back from listening to this man. It hurt.
The CIA would stand to redeem themselves from all their past misdeeds if they somehow managed to have Niko banned off all social media platforms
He's a great psyop.
yo why does that Peter dude sound like I am watching a political Gameranx episode? 🤔
mans getting to much money from the cia
It’s a popular fan theory within the Gameranx community, that Falcon’s secret identity “could be” that Peter…But they have a contract that protects the identity of Falcon. So nobody knows for sure.
@@TapDat52K I mean it is, he has a distinct voice and speech patterns, the REAL question is why is Coffin so connected, why is this loser invited into whatever, Daddy's money I assume.
He’s definitely Falcon. Check out the video of him kicking himself in the nuts it’s great
@@TapDat52K no way it's not him look at this vid ruclips.net/video/41OLrQE9YKY/видео.html
This didn't age well for those who were arguing against destiny once the Twitter files showed Twitter rejecting a lot of the government's request. It's also crazy to me how people redefine words on a whim like this. Saying Facebook is a publisher because of moderation and Algorithms is crazy.
Red pants guy made horrible points. Almost nothing he said actually had to do with whether or not private businesses are private. Private companies having an affect on the election doesn’t make it government ran. Private businesses having a large affect on the economy and job opportunities doesn’t make it government ran. What is he even talking about?
Unlimited funding
after his first rant on the cia running facebook amazon and tesla i was reminded why destiny wants to know the conspiracy theories before the debate. how the fuck do you dispute such a thing without sources???
He really had trouble understanding the concept of a private business, I think his worst point was the “infinite money” rant lol
he's saying that the private companies that are all on top are secretly government funded and therefore not private.
conspiracy nutjob
"red pants guy" lol he's the only black guy on the panel, its ok dude, it's descriptive
1:03:00 "Niko if you could change one thing what would it be?"
Niko: You could demand that the reason for a ban be made public but that wouldn't do anything. (Disagreeing with Arielle and Destiny's suggestion)
Moderator: Ok so what would be one thing you could change
Niko: *2 minute monologue about Alex Jones which comes down to making reasons for bans public would be a good thing for accountability* (Agrees with Arielle and Destiny's suggestion)
Niko is a fucking troll clown
He (probably naively) got into bed with RT. The rest is history.
i love how he works for RT, which is literally fucking state-owned media lmao
Everyone trying to talk over each other made getting any sort of information or meaning from this panel absolutely pointless and there was no good educational reason to watch this.
10/10 content. Keep up the good work, Steven
This Niko guy seriously seems insane. It’s like realizing that these twitter people are actually real, holy shit.
Niko's not just a twitter person.
@@tarfielarchelone2674 He's a psyop.
@@michaelkapelis287 it’s true. He is a franchisee of the Dore left grift Putin funded business model for electing republicans.
He gave me brain cancer.
@@anactualcloud lol Dore is as based as Destiny.
Destiny has so much willpower, I would’ve just given up and walked out
I'm at 22 minutes rn and I'm not sure i can continue
i wish i could strangle this dude through the display at this point
in a videogame of course
destiny's patience is insane
@@tamashorvath7954
It’s maddening
@beast machine destiny counters him super hard every time but the guy is just on loop every time because he can’t fathom the idea that his original point is wrong
“We need to reform 230”
“How?”
“Well we should reform it”
“How?”
“REFORM IT!!!!!”
Destiny is talking to 3 of the most insufferable people online, I’ve literally blocked all their channels, I canNOT watch them. It’s great that Destiny is battling them
you blocked their channels? lmao
How bad are they, excluding this conversation?
I don't know them...
when your initial reaction is to block someone you don't agree with, you have problems. You'll probably never interact with any of these people regardless.
@@LaptopmenaceMTK how does he have problems for not wanting to see their content? Are you joking or...?
How can you block a channel.
Destiny is way more intrusive when talking to them, and I love it. Countless times we have seen Destiny not finish his sentence because of his opponent cutting him off everytime he tries to make a point. Finally it feels like a breath of fresh air
Well some of it has to do with this being live. If he was on an online debate he’d have gotten muted or the other person would have gotten muted, and he also would have his piano debate tactic to keep himself from flying off the handle
Here he can’t be muted and can basically go all out and has no restraints
Niko is a free speech absolutist that wants people to face accountability on Facebook. I'm confused.
I don’t understand why they didn’t just cut Niko’s mic off.
He’d just accuse them of violating the first amendment
@@Thanosdidtherighthing There was a moderator?
i was really impressed by this performance - there are a lot of people that will do the most behind a computer screen and act timid irl, but Destiny keeps the same energy in person as well. that's dope
No one:
Niko: 👉🏻😫👈🏻
Niko thinks being loud makes him right.
The Dunning-Kruger effect
It doesn't?
This has by far the worst moderation out of any panel I've ever witnessed. "Better discourse" eh?
The last panel was the worst. Four conspiracy nutter conservative panelists and one conspiracy nutter moderator. It was basically an Infowars show.
This was really bad, but the libertarian convention one is unbeatable
EVER
@@JeyPeyy the one that was moderated by a guy who runs a libertarian meme account? Because yeah that one was definitely the worse lmao
@@TrentonF505 yes, that one 🥴 absolute shit show
Niko destroyed his own arguments again and again. Destiny didn’t even have to try here 😂😂
Niko gets so loud whenever asked for more info on his ridiculously broad claims. Sigh
Niko : " X is bad we have to reform it"
Steve : " how'd you do that? "
Niko : " by making it so it's not bad "
Destiny got Intellectually outpaced
Niko House: "I work for RT news"
oh, that explains a lot
Unlimited Kremlin money
I didn't even hear that. Hilarious.
Holy shit lmao
@@ramoncabral4816 turns out his accusation was actually an admission. He had unlimited funding so he assumed other people did too
Wait wait he work for RT news? Oh that makes sense he got unlimited money coming in that why he keep saying the crap about unlimited money and owned by the cia. What an obnoxious clown he is
This guy Niko, ironically made his own argument against his own position. Misinformation and conspiracy theories are dominating actual scientific evidence and real info.
It's basically the end of the world if wastes of space like him (and many others) continue to gain prominence while discourse deteriorates. Just a matter of time before heads of state start saying "F it, even if I start a war we just blame it on the others and whoever yells the loudest is right in the end."
Yeah I thought the same. This guys idea of "free speech absolutism" is flooding everyone else with so much bullshit that they can't ever even get a word in edgewise.
I love how this became insane almost immediately
Niko: I'm a 1st Amendment Absolutist
Destiny: Welcome to the 1st Amendment
ouch
man, you just get into discussions with the best people who listen to your argument and present their own with respect.
every.
single.
time.
Destiny's Kubrick stare, dark shirt and blue jeans, and Godfather-esque shadows in his eyes symbolize the looming presence of his dark triad personality during the debate.
Bro the body language lieutenant 💀💀
Niko’s sole strategy: Scream and overtalk everyone.
I have so much respect for Destiny he just goes for it no holds barred completely speaks his mind that’s what I like. I don’t have to agree or align with all his views to respect that he is just very authentic and I appreciate that.
why i watch dest, seems genuine
26:20 the reason Scarcella started to get banned when she came out on the right is because she started to get reported more by left leaning people who discovered her content and realized that she had so much ban worthy material. The inability for them to consider confounding variables so they manufacture a conspiracy theory against them is really annoying. You attracted a lot more haters, that's why you started to get banned, not because RUclips gives a shit about whether you are a liberal or not.
it's insane that she doesn't even understand that
That’s what I assumed. She started dropping polarizing takes and it drew large crowds including people that reported old videos.
youtube is slow on banning lewd content in general. There is literal cropped porn on youtube that took years to get removed XD youtube is literally just that terrible at moderating their shit
I also want to add that YT literally changes their ToS policies like overnight, they have to keep up with the more innovative ways people use their platform. So what u were doing on YT a year ago that didn't get noticed easily can get noticed NOW because they changed ToS policy last week.
these fucking people.
Conservatives have the biggest victim mentality of any group.
Niko and Peter unironically trigger me with how they can’t see the different between Twitter and Fox.
The difference is a random user isn’t employed by Twitter, therefore they legally don’t represent the company. It’s so stupid
under section 230 you would be correct. but if twitter takes a moderator position they are, by proxy, endorsing anything that is posted and remains on twitter without consequence.
@@irishamerican8790 there is a difference between allowing something and endorsing it. Don’t conflate the two
@@XAssassinTotX96 most of the time, legally its treated the same. if I allow someone to attack you I will be treated as if I endorsed it if my person, property or power was used to make it happen
“I didn’t get to finish making my argument”
“when you stopped talking you weren’t done?”
Haha
You know when Steven said “that’s a really good question” it made that guys day
Hahah most definitely
Niko: aMazOn GEtS unLiMiTEd moNEy FrOm tHe CIA
Peter: “I’m just basically with you on this.”
Peter Coffin is a vacuous political hipster.
A true sign that you're losing a debate is when you need to shout overtop of a guy speaking so he stops because you're unable to listen and learn. Destiny does a great job of being patient, waiting to speak and not talking over everyone.
“Ok then how would you reform 230?” … “wah I don’t wanna play anymore!”
Niko is a walking prop 65 warning that labels everything as an equal carcinogen. Destiny, keep up the fight, man. This Niko dude is so damn conspiratorial and appealing to anecdote and begging the question. This isn't how we determine knowledge, and in fact distracts from its pursuit.
He's a Tulscel.
Also the algorithms are at the heart of the websites intellectual property... its tricky to fully disclose that. It's unfortunate the nuance of these services fulfilling public utility didn't really get explored and how responsibilities of private companies, the citizens, and government are changing as a reaction to increased accessibility. Its the tragedy of the commons that any rule that is "assumed" and not documented will be necessarily exploited the moment it gives someone a competitive advantage, and like Healthcare, the exploitation of that necessity means it can't healthfully act as a free market.
Oh Jesus I didn't know how accurate I'd be until he brought up ivermectin. Ivermectin is the canary in the coal mine for someone's medical and med-sci competency
Destiny is gracefully aggressive. He’s become far better at these public events over time
This debate is a great illustration of why a private platform might want to implement some amount of discretion on who posts what. Without any control on the discourse, some braying jackass is going to just keep spouting off and undermine the speech of others on the platform. So in the pursuit of maximizing freedom of speech on paper, what ends up happening is one or two users get to effectively silence everyone else.
The CIA would stand to redeem themselves of their past actions if they somehow manage to get this schizo banned off all social media platforms
Not really? How one or two users can silence all other users if they don't have power to prevent them from speaking and uploading content? At most they can outperform them in terms of an audience but even then it's not going to be one or two users this will be large group of users. It wouldn't really be much different than in that regard where there is large group of major for an example youtubers or E-cebs on social media that receive a lot of views. However, what would be different under such system would be that Social media wouldn't be able to artificially (ie control) create such group of people at least in terms of speech or political speech (leaving it for the people to chose content they want to watch) and dissenting views (be it regarding normative or descriptive claims wouldn't be crushed by social media, which is a problem considering enormous role of few social media platforms have over decimation of information and discourse in modern day).
Now question is what is a solution to that problem (I certainly see it as a problem because it gives social media that seem to be fairly unanimous regarding what to censor on their platforms and what not). One solution I think would be some law mandating that certain social media that meet certain threshold of users on their platforms have to allow free expression or free expression of ideas/information on their platforms or else be treated as publishers. It's not a perfect solution because group of wealthy people could still control large group of small companies and control speech on those (sort of creating still unanimity in censorship broadly). Another solution would be simply expand it to every social media platform that allows on communication while still allowing to moderate certain illegal contents and perhaps certain content like NSFW (ie pornography and gore to certain sections of website). I'm not fond of it because idea of freedom of individuals and freedom of business owners collide here and one way or another there will be loss of freedom for one of those party. However, ultimately in this control that is obtained by a massive corporations will eventually lead to loss of individual freedoms so I will go less freedoms for such institutions and more to individuals.
Problem with destiny anti-trust argument is that it doesn't work unless maybe if you drastically alter anti-trust laws. Those "mega corps" don't have to "cooperate" or do so visibly to censor speech and deprive people from ability to decimate information corporations (or government) find unacceptable by whatever criteria (assuming it won't be just arbitrary) to establish (regardless that criteria is open to knowledge of public/users or not) only be unanimous in at least some of their decisions to what ideas and information to censor and allow. All those massive corporate entities need to do deprive people from effectively to access to what is in modern public square effectively (ironically privately owned public square) where people gather to exchange/provide/obtain information and generally have discourse on. And this already has happened in regard to for an example banning Alex Jones from major social media platforms or banning certain kinds of information regarding identity of Whistelblower, Covid (Masks or vaccines), "hate speech" rules and list goes on.
This is of course doesn't go into crushing competition (which may or not influenced by direct competitors) by third party services in which essentially alternative social media one that don't conform to filtering content are deprived payment processing services, hosting services etc which are necessary or essential not only perhaps for their ability to compete but even to continue business in the first place .
So if we don't put individuals in charge of the discourse, individuals will ruin the discourse. Ah it was so obvious.
@@nagatouzumaki3492 leftist meme
@@nagatouzumaki3492 Your points are mostly incoherent and wrong.
“If I continue to scream and interrupt my opponent, that means I won the debate” - Nikos though process
To be fair, Destiny also interrupted him like a few times while having complained about being interrupted.
@@mangobodybutter Only after knowing he didn't care and just during flat out falsehoods
@@Crispman_777 And that's not Niko's perspective as well? Both thought the other was rattling off nonsense and felt the need to correct or challenge them in the middle of their explanations. All I'm saying is that if you complain about something being done unto you but you do that same thing to the other person, it looks silly.
@@mangobodybutter Hey quick question who literally started shouting over the other first (that's really important).
@@tarfielarchelone2674 It isn't, but go ahead and explain why you think it is.
Niko has no idea what he is talking about. He just rambles and interrupts.
have you seen the news on the hunter biden stuff with twitter and the fbi? everything they said about hunter was true and twitter covered it on behalf of the fbi...
@@daMillenialTrucker You mean the Twitter files? Did you actually read them? It says that the Biden campaign (not part of the government by the way) asked Twitter to take down naked photos of Hunter Biden. Photos that already violate twitters terms of service. You probably didn’t actually read what came out. You just regurgitate what other far right people have said.
Holy shit listening to Niko run through every conspiracy ever gave me fucking brain rot.
How is one of the panelists being a better moderator than the actual moderator?
As a conservative, watching these other clowns on stage not defend a private company's right to moderate their own platform is the highest level of cringe...
Damn, Destiny coming out with the good posture and the "Yeah I been hitting the gym" tshirt. What a chad.
Sigma male Destiny(a girl's name btw)
No lie. He was looking pretty Alpha up there. Too bad he had anger. BETA!
@@noheartx9992 A real man has peace because he have no anger
@@nemesiszer0708 Anger is a woman trait. So obviously he got it from being half mommy
I like how it's called "Better Discourse" yet the talking over/interrupting is almost indistinguishable from internet bloodsports
It’s funny seeing how engaged this niko guy is when someone who he agrees with speaks as apposed yo whenever Steven speaks. The second Steven starts speaking and trying to articulate his points, niko starts screaming over him, but when ever one of the other panelists is speaking he’s looking at them waiting patiently and fully taking in the information they’re presenting. It’s toxic af. As I’m continuing to watch this I see all the other panelists looking at Steven when he speaks and Niko just looking out into the crowd.
Ariel has nothing of any real consequence to say, she just likes to deliberately say $h*t that *she KNOWS* will upset or offend, so she can say she's been "cancelled" gets some attention, and some donations... Rinse and repeat... 🥱😴
She's destroyed her channel with bad takes, misinformation and an overall offputting change of tone, and she's determined to blame anyone but herself for it
@@imitationkrabbe3268 IKR 🙄..
She's so self absorbed, actually believing that RUclips has a clue about how she "left the left" and are now trying to censor her! 🤭
She never stops boring everyone with that non-event. She wasn't even really known in the political community, and she felt herself important enough to publicly announce that she was now a conservative.. How conceited is she??.. She also made a long video about it, and then kind of did a tour of different channels to be interviewed about it.
When you look at what it was really about, it's very obvious that she staged the entire event and isn't a very good person, *AT ALL!*
Her channel wasn't getting the views she needed to sustain an income. And being gay, she knew she could exploit her sexuality if she pretended to be a left-winger, who now was sick of the left and pretend to nosw be a Conservative and also gay. But the most disgusting thing about it was, she needed "publicity" so she used the Transgender community to get it, she made up some, spiel about being attacked by them on social media, because she didn't agree that they're real women. That was the gist of it. Like the Trans community don't already have enough abuse from conservatives already. She also had a couple of friends that were Trans men. And she told everyone that they didn't have a problem with her opinions, and they kind of went along with it at first because they didn't want to fall out with her, but a few months later they made a video saying actually theyd had enough of her using them as characters in the Ariel show, and the stuff she was spewing for money and subs, was actually extremely hurtful.
The shit she gets cancelled over (by the Left) are ridiculous. If you have been on the left politically all your life and you start getting attacked for benign opinions, you would start feeling at least some resentment towards them too. It's horrible political strategy and optics, based solely on the belief that those who are attempting to get you cancelled are holier than thou. If a campaign is run on that, there is a good chance it will lose. Not the best way to hold voters on your side, let alone bring the other side to yours. The vast majority of the Left do not get this.
I love people who upset and offend the easily upset-able and offend-able. Unfortunately, Ariel just isn't very bright. And she truly added nothing to this debate debacle.
@@ianbenjiman And of course when someone from 'the right' publicly has an opinion that differs from the status quo, they're all just fine with it, huh? 🙄
Give me a break.
People don’t realize how repealing section 230 would destroy the internet
Indeed, it is foolish that people believe that Section 230 is the boogeyman impeding this fever dream.
It’s wouldn’t destroy the internet.
The question would be, can there be additions or changes to it to improve how it works. But i do think the use of anti trust might be more appropriate. I think there is a bit of straw afoot when they say reform and in the reply destiny says repeal. everybody knows repeal is a bad idea, but there are options in reforming it
The argument has been reframed as “repealing section 230” for the very reason you put forward.
The reframing is just a way to win a fight. Not solve an issue.
You can protect individual speech AND protect the platforms ability to platform.
@@odst123451 you are wrong, but luckily you are allowed to be :)
holy fuck, destiny is looking swole. jesus christ, his posture is now that of an alpha aswell... We are watching the glow up in real time
Its weird, on AJW’s stream of the events, they were saying the exact opposite, and were even accusing him of taking estrogen. I honestly don’t think he comes off as looking that “beta”.
Turned full lefty after this one. I can’t believe people like the “bUt mUh cIA” guy exist.
Yeah. Saying Facebook is a publisher is like saying a bookstore is a publisher because it sells books. It isn't. Now if a bookstore sells a book that it created itself (like Barnes and Noble sometimes does) it would be a publisher in that instance.
Yeah even then bookstores that run their own publishing wings can’t be held accountable for EVERYTHING they published as though they are the publisher, they can only be held accountable as a publisher for the specific things they publish. So like if Facebook were to decide to start publishing their own articles, their accountability for what is on their platform would begin and end with those particular articles that they published, it wouldn’t and shouldn’t carry over to everything posted on their website.
It’s so obvious how these things work that I feel dumber for even bothering to discuss or think about it. The people who don’t understand this must be being intentionally obtuse, right? Or are they really this stupid?
A bookstore is more of a publisher than facebook etc. because they actively curate their selection by ordering some books and not others.
@@MrAskmannen that isn’t what it means to be a publisher.
@@zenleeparadise ofc that's why i said they're *m o r e* of a publisher than facebook. If you had to fit either one into the category the argument would be stronger for a storefront than for social media.
A newspaper has an op-Ed section, it doesn’t receive liability protections on it. Facebook is choosing content, it’s editorializing, it shouldn’t receive liability protections if it’s not going to be neutral.
Niko's tactic is to rant and rave while the other person responds because he knows his argument doesn't hold water. He's trying to compensate for his ignorance on the subject.