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you are talking to a heavily brainwashed moron. you have convinced him that trump is bad, but in 12 hours he'll move back to his echo chamber and be sucking up lies not caring about real. I'VE BEEN THERE.
Ignorant is not an insult or cruel word to use, it literally means uninformed. If I asked someone about how to play cricket I could say that I’m very ignorant on the subject because I have no idea how to play cricket. It’s not an insult.
Jesus christ, I just realized that I, as a swede, living in Sweden, with no affiliation to the US whatsoever, know more about Trump than a Trump-supporter.
It's not hard to learn more about Trump than his supporters. They have 1 mode: Take in everything he or his people say, get really good and reciting only that, and then everything else is wrong.
This young man is the epitome of a Trump supporter: all opinion, little information. At least he's listening, and doesn't immediately dismiss information that challenges his opinions. Now if we could get all the others to do the same....
😂😂😂😂😂 you people genuinely have no idea how insanely ironic you all are lolololololol. How do you see what’s happening to this country and the world and say, yes, more of that please
Actually he’s not. Many of the MAGA folk when confronted with facts double down. He is more of a center right rational person who was algorithmically entrenched in MAGA propaganda and now that he’s exposed to rational left wing arguments outside of the bubble is willing to change his mind.
This guy was open, far from the usual Trump voter you see on YT or on tv. For the trump voter it's all about emotion, that emotion being hate. This is intelligent and he just didn't know what's going on.
Honestly, kudos to both: the interviewer for humbly admitting his ignorance about mostly everything, David for not being arrogant or humiliating the kid.
I agree completely -- Sean was open and willing to listen; David was not condescending or lecturing, but instead kindly mentoring. But Sean's professed low information about so many issues that one would think a supporter should know about their chosen candidate is so telling, as is the fact that he has never voted. I think it in part goes to the recent emphasis on STEM classes, which are important, but the declining focus on Civics and history education in public school. When I was a high school student in the seventies in my county, we had a full year class on Civil government. Today in this county, the students have only a semester class. I hope this visit with David will shape Sean's research habits going forward.
This particular kid seems less contaminated. That is new...If he became aggressive with the insane party line I would vote him into the dumpster. He is one in a hundred. So far.
We were taught Trump supporters are really this informed. It's insane to me that in the era of Trump we have had to actually take these people seriously. Packmans patients teaches us how to manage these people. There is no choice but to have to address these people unfortunately is what I have learned over the last 8 years. Btw, I get you mean it was a teachable moment for this guy.
@@ironicirony2938Maybe I'm too cynical, but I don't think that will happen. This kid won't research, and will go back to his ignorant way of thinking as soon as the cult bombards him with lies, which he will believe.
@@charlesedward5047 It doesn't matter if he actually ends up researching what David has said. We can't just give up. We got to keep trying to get the truth out. If we don't, democracy will die. At least this was a civil discussion. Don't forget that old saying; "You catch more flies with honey, than with vinegar."
I couldn't make it pass on the first 10min but he seems more new to this and a victim of the con and misinformation rather than being willfully ignorant like most MAGAts.
@@TPG1 Ignorant isn't necessarily the personal attack you think it is...I understand some people use it as a pejorative, but at base it just means lacking knowledge or awareness on a particular subject...in fact I've seen plenty of people who are highly intelligent refer to themselves as ignorant on certain topics, because they are actually intellectually honest, and dont want to attempt to speak as if they're knowledgeable on something they are not...basically the exact opposite of Trump and a lot of his supporters.
More like that’s what it means to be a great Teacher lol. The Young man will be thankful to David all his life for patiently and graciously educating him in this manner.
this is a great way to accomplish this! David is educating and presenting these 'arguements' in a logical and approachable manner. his calm attitude and willingness to have a calm conversation and back and forth is so refreshing. This is wonderful to show people.
Has nothing to do with education. Has to do with GRIFTING. Most of these grifters know that they’re spewing BS, but there are people literally PAYING them to spew it. If someone is paying you to be a Trump / conservative culture influencer, then that’s your job. And you do it like any other job. Ask Dave Rubin.
David reasons & delivers facts. Interesting is the Military equipment that has to be sold out. Does it influence starting wars to sell them ? Also the algorithm - Ai influence on the opinion. Knowing the real facts would change the general opinion.
@@errollkleinwassink8847sooooo many people don’t know that most of what Ukraine gets from us is old equipment. It should make a difference to those that don’t want so much money going overseas. Especially considering it’s a triple win for us. We get rid of stuff that would be junked, we’re protecting democracy without actually going to war AND we are paying our people to make new equipment to replace what’s sent to Ukraine! It’s creating or at least keeping more people working here at home. I cannot fathom wanting to stop supporting Ukraine, at minimum, in this manner.
Exactly right. Incredibly respectful and leaning on a confidence in his preparation. Pakman could run for office with his rare brand of candor and preparation.
The kid is beyond ill informed but seemed to be willing to listen. I just don’t get how he has a show or an audience unless this is the only time he’s talked politics on his channel.
I like the fact that Sean Kelly was willing to listening instead of rebuking David Pakman. Kudos to Sean and David for having this discussion in a way that the listeners were able to enjoy the interview.
Everyone is ragging on this young man, but he's the smartest Trump supporter I've seen. He was honest about what he didn't know, he listened to David's point of view and was open to learning. If more of them had this mindset, the political climate would not be so combative, imo.
He was polite and non-combative I agree. I would wait and see if any of his views were changed or was he just nodding and saying he would look into things that were brought up to avoid having to engage in a back and forth. I would see if his future interviews with people on the right who discuss these same topics are any different than what he has done in the past.
The fact that he chose ANY side despite his admitted level of ignorance then started a podcast knowing that he’s ignorant on the subject is what’s disturbing. It’s arrogant ignorance to do all that.
I'm an economics professor. Thank you for correctly explaining the impact of tariffs. You would have likely received an A on the exam I'm about to give my class
He was correct on all his arguments, but I wish he would have been more clear and on point on how it impacts the price of consumer end products and drives inflation. That's the key issue people care about and vote based on.
@@marcuskissinger3842 He could have also explained why Trump thinks tariffs will positively influence the export deficit (as exporters might have to lower their prices to stay competitive despite the added tariffs). I think Trump's approach is not a good one, i.e., I'm against tariffs, but at least there is a theory as to why they could work to address an export deficit and create some income for the government. It does not seem warranted to insinuate that Trump does not know how tariffs work at all.
Im black. There's this "thing" going around that blacks support Trump. I was surprised to discover one being my nephew (under educated, easily influenced by opposite world) and my brother (ex con, also ignorant to politics and easily influenced in opposite world)... Say that to say, the like-minded company that they keep, are NOT voters.🤷 My nephew is surrounded by ignorami that repeat the brainwashed mantra "I don't care, my vote won't count anyways!...same breath, "trump really did do a lot for black people " 🤦 My bro, "aye, he stole those documents cuz he was gonna expose the hollywood cannibals that were listed in those documents...i hope he wins the next election" 😒 Me: can't convince them...but they don't vote anyway...😑
They're young and will eventually start voting at the very least may one day. These are the Joe Rogan/RFK fans who are highly misinformed and a little lacking in self-awareness, but not yet ideologically captured and still able to respond positively to fact and change their ideas. Compare this to people like Nick Fuentes and his fans who are tied to something very concrete and much more extreme, you're never going to win them or the QAnon/MAGA voters over. These people think the whole game's corrupt everyone's corrupt and don't realize that there are still good people in politics on both sides of the aisle, and where there's not we can still change that. They need trust in our institutions and to understand how important that trust is to maintain. They need a source of accurate information, continued genuine appreciation for factual evidence-based arguments, and maybe a break from Rogan and Musk, who both generally offer none of those things and in Musk's case is consciously and intentionally pushing more and more extreme, misinformed views.
I have so much respect for this guy. I can tell he’s not dishonest for his support of Trump, but is endlessly willing to simply just converse and listen. It’s clear David was educating a person much more unfamiliar with the political landscape than him, but it’s insanely refreshing to see someone have an open mind. This is genuinely one of the most informative discussions I’ve seen in I don’t know how long.
The more I get to hear Trump supporters speak the more I realize how little they understand the things they are supporting. This is so sad. Truly the uneducated support him.
It is both sides... and it is more radical now then Ever Before... For this election if you feel you are ALL-IN on Trump or Kamala, the propaganda bug is sucking the life out of you. It sucks being a Democrat now because they rolled out the most unqualified, worst ticket in Presidential history. After Hillary, they didn't even try to bring a great candidate to the table... Just a puppet running with the same strategy "Trump is Hitler, Trump is so bad that is means Kamala Harris is somehow qualified and rhe best person for the highest position in Politics"
As a non-American, it's crazy how "low information" Trump voters are. This guy has a show and knows so little, imagine an average MAGA member, but at least he listens
Totally agree. I'm from the UK and this guy absolutely blew my mind. He has a channel and knows nothing, likes Trump but 'doesn't know if he's registered to vote'? Good God
I was thinking of the same thing! I'm from Sweden and I knew more than him. And to take your right to vote for granted and not even vote... that is INSANE to me!
That is a HUGE problem in this country! 80% of Trump supporters have little or no education. Most live in rule America with schools being miles and miles away so people homeschool their kids. Even though they have no education in teaching kids. What can go wrong?
David, from a 65 year old boomer, That was so smooth the way you brought the facts and opened his eyes. I try to do the same with friends and family, while trying not to become confrontational. Thanks for all your insights.
I think the issues always happen when the conversation goes to a whose right or whose wrong bc ppl's egos get hurt and some ppl's pride doesn't allow them to be receptive to being the wrong ones. I always go into a conversation to learn how ppl have come to such a conclusion bc then you lead with understanding vs a debate. It's always with a "Well, why do you think that?" And then I interject facts to lead them to a conclusion. Ppl are funny, they can't accept someone telling them they are wrong but if they come to the realization that they are wrong themselves, then it's okay for them to change their mind. That's what David does and what I appreciated about his presentations. He's always upfront and says: here's my belief on the subject and here's other information. Or it's understanding what the other side is saying and debunking it -well, if they let him get a word in..
i'm literally 3 minutes in and am wondering how this child has a whole podcast set and what looks like employees when he doesn't know....anything at all?????
He definitely hasn't. He is most likely the typical young person with above average intelligence who naturally wanted to learn more about the world so he started listening to talk radio and podcasts. I'm not sure if you've listened to talk radio at all lately but there are WAY more right-wing talk stations than left-wing or neutral stations.
Like marthapackard8649 said, I also think he wasn't fully secure in his support for Trump, probably just got most of, if not all his info from Twitter and/or other various unverified sources. It's part of how they get their claws in them, the often exaggerated and disrespectful comments and headlines from the far right are particularly eye-catching and entertaining, to say the least. And the ignorant just eat that shit up because it's said with confidence and they often dislike critical thinking, especially when it involves putting in others' perspectives. I've found most who call themselves red, tend to focus really only on what they think will affect them personally. They also don't frequently crosscheck the information they find with other sources, simply read or hear it once and take it at face. Trump has truly found a way to almost weaponize the mass ignorance of American citizens.
Same. I can no longer speak about anything remotely political because they don’t accept any fact, anything that doesn’t conform to their world view is main media lies and Trump derangement syndrome.
This kid is soooooo brutally uninformed. How do they grow such large platforms? Its almost terrifying, but I love David took the time to educate him and hopefully his young maga audience.
That's what the right follows... pseudo intellectuals who don't actually know shit but sound good to lazy idiots.. this guy is a joke...the embodiment of knowing enough to get yourself in trouble
100% accurate. It's embarrassing how little research and education Sean Kelly did for this interview. It scares me how uninformed folks at his level are and yet they're so willing to make an unassailable judgement for the election.
@@carensc7973, should say “Harris” anyway. I have noticed that we tend to say women’s first name but men’s last name, and I don’t think that’s a coincidence.
So agreed. A campaign like that of just David talking to Trump supporters committing to keep an open mind could single-handedly win the election. Particularly when he goes meticulously into how much better economies work under Dems, it's such a closer.
I do have to give this young man credit for absorbing the information and not reacting like most trump supporters who typically become angry and aggressive when presented with facts.
@@jdanon203yeah his approach definitely helped throughout the interview. When he pushed back against certain ideas that weren’t necessarily true he did it gently and in a way that wasn’t antagonistic, which is really important to getting someone to listen to what you have to say. He’s definitely a very well spoken guy, ive not seen his content before but I’m really interested in watching more now
David could have ripped this young man to shreds, but he is being polite and answering the questions and explaining the facts. Just shows you don’t need to be mean and nasty. Well done David
It also makes no sense to be so aggressive. God, why are you americans so surprised if two people talk to each other in a civil way when they have different opionions?
I think this has been a very interesting discussion between a young man and an intelligent older man. Good to watch,makes a change to see respect shown on both sides .Thanks 💙💙💙💙💙💙👍
@@SriKrsnadasa trying is using Google to find out more information about a topic from reputable sources. I also blame Trump for telling these people that any reputable sources is fake news.
That part absolutely took me out. Homie, HOW are you analytical? You have a whole political podcast and know absolutely nothing about the topic. Dude mentioned the hospital when contemplating if he was registered to vote or not.
David was completely dumbfounded at the level of the interviewer's knowledge level. Yet, he explained, patiently and logically. Best podcaster out there.
I have nothing against being ignorant, per se. If a person is ignorant but is willing to process new information that goes against their current belief, they are miles apart from those who are willfully ignorant. The "all I know is all I need to know" crowd is the one with real problems.
@MinecraftMartin unfortunately with the amount of vetted information we have instant access to today, anyone who is ignorant of politics *is* willfully ignorant
This guy is literally the epitome of almost ALL Trump supporters…he doesn’t even know why he supports Trump, he just does. He’s a cult member so the specific details of information are not what he’s based his adoration on. It’s solely based on the most simplistic triggers and biases. I guarantee no matter what he says during this conversation, once he leaves Pakman’s presence he will immediately go back to being a fervent supporter of his Demigod Trump. I’ve never seen a phenomenon like the one that Trump has been able to pull off. It’s more than frightening. It’s like Hitler 2.0 and that is no hyperbole.
@@writerchick94 Not really. Time is a resource that all people do not have. Now to get to actual point: This podcaster talks about politics so I agree that he should take the time to look at the facts before making any claims or believing things.
Despite disagreeing with his views I have a huge amount of respect for his openness to listen respectfully and accept the areas that he is uninformed in
@feedtherich11 he seemed to just be on the right because the algorithm is feeding him false narratives. I wouldn't saw he's a full trumper with 7 flags on his truck.
I agree... but I also can't help but WANT to humiliate. And, I admit that I do it. I can't seem to find David's level of patience. But I'm pleasantly surprised by the kids' demeanor, which is rare.
Truly. I came away with a good impression of both of them. Sean Kelly seemed legitimately interested in what David was saying, asked thoughtful probing _good_ questions, and when challenged on his assumptions, didn't blindly stick to them. And meanwhile David was calm, took his time, and presented clear and reasonable points to keep the conversation both civil and productive. Bravo to both.
@@CheriG870the problem is, why is such a dummy in a position where he’s an important enough influencer that Pakman felt it worthwhile to visit?! He’s a moron.
Wow. It's scary that this guy has a show with limited facts and information on the candidate he supports. David was amazing and very diplomatic in educating this young man.
Outside of this interview, it seems like this guy doesn't know how to ask (the right) questions about the things he's watching/reading/hearing. Like, never having taken two minutes after hearing about any topic to Google it. That's really bizarre to me as an info seeker... I don't understand people who lack the compulsive reflex to have to dig even just a smidge deeper on anything(/everything).
23:38 I'm from Puerto Rico and yes, Trump came to the Island after hurricane María and threw paper towels at a Puerto Rican crowd during the humanitarian crisis. Its on video. He also froze aid funds to PR and didn't let international ships bring supplies directly to the Island because of the Jones Act. The Jones Act was temporarily lifted 10 days after the hurricane struck. This is something Puerto Ricans will never forget about Trump and his administration.
I'm from Puerto Rico and I will never forget what Trump that. He didn't just throw the paper towels and block aid, but as people on the island suffered and died, he was saying Puerto Rico was dirty and that he wanted to swap it for Greenland. He also said that Puerto Rico will never be a State as long as he lived--I'm not saying I'm pro statehood, but I believe it should be up to us. Anyway, my dislike for Trump isn't only because of what he did on the island--of course, that alone would be enough. However, he's the most vile subhuman to run for the presidency, at least in my lifetime. He's a Racist. Immoral. Repulsive. Misogynist. He is a rapist.. He put children in cages, some were toddlers. He wants to deport every single Hispanic, citizen or not. And, believe it or not, that includes us. Oh, but we're citizens, I hear you say. Our citizenship is statutory. Puerto Rico is a territory and Congress is the one that decides our fate. Guess what would happen if he gets back to the WH? If you need to have an idea, check out the fascist manifesto, Project 2025.
I definitely fell in love with David after watching this. 😂 He was so kind to this ill informed *kid.* I'm very impressed with Sean for listening and being open to learn. Worth every second!
I'm to the left of David Pakman, and he frequently annoys me, but his composure and kindness to people he disagree with is really extraordinary. I couldn't do it.
Agreed. I'm to the left but he feels like the sort of person you could have a discussion where you disagreed on the how and the way of doing things to get a result, but you could agree on what the end goal would be (better life for the citizens, etc).
@@pngexportimportA composer crafts symphonies, like Bach or Beethoven, spinning notes into music. Composure, on the other hand, is all about one's demeanor. David, for instance, exudes composure; he's not orchestrating concertos, but he sure knows how to conduct himself. fucking trump supporters are worse than half baked potatoes.
Very true. This was a young inexperienced guy that another person might have taunted and humiliated, but David used the meeting to broaden this guy's horizons in such a gentle way. One down -- millions to go.
We need more conversations like this on a regular basis. You dont have to always agree with the person you're speaking to, but you should be respectful to each other regardless.
I'm a Harris voter and I don't go to rallies because I don't feel the need to adulate and adore a political candidate. That's the difference between regular Democrats and vehement foaming at the mouth MAGAs who want to go hear Trump talk about all of the horrible things that are not happening. I'll just vote for her.
I wouldn't want to go to a Trump rally only to get stranded out in the California desert suffering heat stroke. Nor would I want to go to a rally expecting to hear talk of policy only to have to stand around awkwardly for half an hour watching him dance his personal playlist of copyrighted music. It boggles the mind that he still has loyal followers at this point.
To be fair, I simply cannot even remember how to pronounce her name despite wanting to. I try memorizing, but I get lost often. I forget in this moment how to say it even if my life depended on it. 😢
@@highmedic2351it’s. It’s not that hard😐. Hope your life depends on it 😐 yeah that was mean but seriously so is the disrespect for something as simple as a name.
@kimberley1449 47:41 will learn things that are true,that will persuade him that Trump is not who he says he is. As an Independent, I check to see who has the best policies and interests for the American people. Then I will vote .
"I'm a Trump supporter...I'm not sure if I'm gonna vote...I don't even know if I'm registered" 😂 let's hope that that represents the average Trump supporter.
@@BeachBoysSummerParty seems you don’t realize that this interview was conducted by the uninformed child on his channel… Pakman did not arrange anything here
@@jonfox4022 and vastly less informed… seems that you are in the same boat vis a vis knowledge, but sorely lacking in the curiosity and willingness to encounter facts and reality with an open mind
I feel like these people are very interesting to listen to and you really learn how little most voters don't check facts before voting. many really are gullible.
David, you are incredibly gifted! Your approach to handling this situation during the interview was very insightful. You managed to inform the interviewer and the audience without causing any offense. Brilliant!
Why the hate from OP against someone who is obviously young and self-proclaimed as "new to this"... But is taking notes and learning. Pakman has a decade of experience, this guy does not. Why you're attacking him is beyond me.
right? the fact he kept spouting stuff at pakman without really anything backing it up and pretty much stating it as fact was mind blowing - how is he coming at him about the convention audience size not knowing its a closed event
Yeah, but David handled it perfectly - not being condescending/reactive, breaking down complex concepts into more manageable pieces, and it really shows that it made a difference.
@@JR-pr8jb I’m glad David was able to educate him so much but surprised David even gave him the time if he had researched him and realized this kid barely has a drivers license much less and fkn clue about how things work and what’s going on.
I think the young man does need much more info on both Harris, trump to cast a vote. Bless him, he is just starting out, but does need more homework! Vote blue
It was irritating, but like the interviewer said, he is a trump supporter and is used to saying Kamala wrong and not understanding aid and funding and how government works within his bubbled right wing. It was well done, good work, I’m no where near articulate enough to ask it out❤❤❤
Yeah he was scewing up from the start, David had a hard time explaining to that dense guy that he wasn’t a Democrat. Ugh, he must be draining to be around.
This was a pleasant surprise. I expected him to reflexively dismiss any and all facts that didn't agree with his politics, but he actually listened and learned.
This boy is a typical Trump supporter. Doesn’t know anything about anything. Thanks for taking the time to educate him and at least he listened and didn’t over talk you.
@nk1974 You can't tell this was rehearsed? This was a biden infomercial. This was a campaign ad.🙄😒. Sheesh. Have you ever heard of this guy? The guy even looks like a Democrat.
@@ratdad48 Looks like a democrat..? I just drove by a pseudo-mansion today as I took my wife and kids to a fall fest at a farm. Full of Harris signs. Wealthy rural people look democratic as well? What about guys with beards? I work with a gay guy. He is conservative, under 30, and hangs a trump flag in his bedroom. But I guess he looks liberal...
yeah he was super reasonable, and David is just a skilled communicator. hope this reaches the eyes and ears of some young folks teetering on the edge of the alt-right pipeline..
David, what a beautiful job educating this young man. He has clearly thought little and had opinions that were based on nothing. You helped him learn HOW to think about finding information and evaluating it. Well done, sirrah.
Thank you David for participating in this podcast. L feel you not only opened Sean’s mind but reinforced many things I knew. Because Sean was so open to hearing what you were saying, I would watch his podcast in the future and see if you’ve made a lasting impact.
Agreed. There's a lot of hate against someone who is obviously young and self-proclaimed as "new to this"... But he's taking notes and learning. Pakman has a decade of experience, this guy does not.
thank you for positive comment. Alot of commenters here are obnoxiously arrogant and condescending towards the guy who is hosting Pakman. He listened, he was openminded. I think thats all good.
@@52ndgalacticempress admitting to not know something is way more mature and ethical when speaking to an audience than doubling down on ignorance. I can appreciate it from the host.
I think David’s comment, “I think this is research prep for a different guest” was hilarious, and not wrong. 😄 it really felt like he did only the most cursory research before getting David on-air, almost like, “this guy is pretty pro-Kamala, has a large audience, and agrees to meet. I’ll get him.”
If I have to hear him say "damn I didn't know that" one more time. And so unaware that when he says "most people wouldn't/don't" he's so talling about himself. Very sad.
Laud this young host for his respectful engagement. And likewise, David is equally respectful. They could do a class. Thabks guys! Definitely a breath of fresh air in today's political sphere. 🙌🏾
David needs to do A LOT more things like this. He's so insightful, knowledgeable, and respectful. This is the way to reach Trump supporters or undecideds. Great job David
@@brianruzek5487 i think it's so important to keep the other person's ego in tact. no insult, degrade, or try to make them look stupid. that gets nowhere. open calm dialog where we respect the other person is the only way i've seen anyone at least be open to changing their views
No Trump supporters I know watch heavily biased sources like this guy lol. I do just to hear other perspectives, but can prove most of the “facts” this guy has wrong. I can’t prove his opinions wrong, because they’re opinions, but it’s helpful knowing why democrats have certain opinions
I am impressed with Sean's reaction. He was calm and respected being corrected unlike many older maga men and women that scream at you and never let you speak. I actually watched the entire video and enjoyed it. 👏 great job!
This video made my day. It"s refreshing to see two people willing to have an open discussion, with the humility to admit ignorance and willingness to learn. I wish that was not an exception to the rule. I've tried so many times to hear from people from "the other side" only to reach a wall of outrage.
This young man has over 1M subscribers, so his channel is a great start in showing Maga fans the truth. David is very strategic. We need more like this. Well done!
Agreed, sometimes slowing down to listen and teach is possible. The kid seems malleable. He’s open because Pakman is patient. Hopefully he will cause this young man to truly investigate.
While I agree with the message of the statement, it is always best to not bring up statistics without any proof. It shows a closed mindedness to the world at hand. If you had said something more along the lines of, "majority of the people I have run into don't understand how tariffs work" then that would be better stated. But to throw around numbers to confirm a belief solves nothing and will only do more harm.
I thought the idea was that even if they aren't literally paying for the tariff, it increases the effective price and decreases the demand. So they "pay" for it in a way by having to take less profit to maintain a competitive price. Is this not right, at least in theory?
I came across a tick tock yesterday of a former conservative influencer. One of the things she said that aligns with this interview, actually learning about the issues is what changed her mind on political issues. She didn't realize how little she knew about the reality of the political landscape until she started venturing outside of her conservative bubble. Interviewers like this are absolutely essential.
Yes, absolutely 100% true. Slapping people down who are venturing outside their echo chamber might feel kind of satisfying in the short term but you’ve just lost a teachable moment if you do that. This guy learned something from this exchange. If nothing else he knows to Google how tariffs work and he’ll see that Packman was correct.
Duning-Kruger.... its rife across politics. The people who shout the loudest and are more entrenched in their position are almost always the least informed about the very things they think themselves informed in.
Remember: you, too, may have been influenced - only slightly, of course - in exactly the same way you believe conservatives have been. I have my doubts, but you may be capable of learning something. Again, I doubt it. It's also funny to see you use a word like "absolutely". I was sure you leftists believed that absolute truth does not exist.
To a massive degree. The interviewer was literally corrected on every single point he brought up,surprisingly it seemed he was taking in the information and not getting combative.
No he's not a typical Tump supporter. He admitted that he did not know what he did not know. No Tump supporter would ever do that. They would simply lie or repeat MAGA talking points. This is a fresh take in that certain people who lack information will actually appreciate getting valid information from those more educated on the topic in order to make better choices. I can't fault that.
hi David, it's cool that you did this! I don't like seeing people call this kid an idiot, but you taught current events 101 lessons with kindness, patience and respect. Respect matters. Good energy!
If you're this ignorant of a topic you shouldn't have a talk show about it...I seriously don't grasp it. Otherwise he's more mature and honest than most any other conservative pundits.
@@silverpurkat I'd have this take all the time if millions of Republicans weren't regularly claiming that I'm a child predator who worships Satan just because I believe in universal healthcare and think we shouldn't demonize gay people and immigrants. If you're taking a side you don't get to be ignorant of its dark underbelly. The GOP of today isn't the one we saw over 20 years ago.
I agree. I do wish David had taken a step back from specific questions for a moment and talked about the bigger picture and why it is really important to vote. This kid was completely cavalier about whether he's even going to vote. Very bizarre.
I appreciate this discussion. I almost feel bad for this guy for really being ignorant on basically everything, but that’s the grift Trump’s counting on.
I'm Canadian in Canada. We have 'Trump supporters' here. But it's the same. "I like what he says" but don't actually know what he's saying. The way they look at you when you educate them on his actual policies and issues, is shocking
@@senikau78 I don't think it is just MAGA there are plenty of uninformed people on both sides, mainly due to News Media choosing what stories they can 'both sides'
Amazing civil conversation and I really hope someday we have David Pakman as our future president to unite our Country again. I was a CNN watcher before then my mother told me to watch shows like the meidas touch and now I will never go back to CNN ever. And thank you so much for giving me my faith back in humanity because I really did lose hope on everything when tRump won election.
This kid is the clearest example of the problem with TikTok’s influence over GenZ. They believe ‘the algorithm’, don’t read or research, they talk a big game and at the end of the day couldn’t bother to register to vote. This is why I decided to raise my kids in Europe. They still have access to TikTok but schools actually make them read and they learn to form their own opinions. You won this “debate” David, through preparation and articulation. Thank you for kindly educating the uneducated. Also I figured out how to vote from abroad and cast my vote for the only person fit to be president.
GenZ actually has a better BS filter than many Boomers. I teach high school chemistry and they actually understand how algorithms work and KNOW that what they see is being fed to them. Most negative stuff about GenZ that you hear in the media is older people not understanding how they think or why they think that. You’re kind of showing your own ignorance by the statement you’re making. GenZ knows what TikTok is doing and they like what they like. It’s a lot less influential than older people think. I talk to GenZ every day and it’s my literal job to understand how they think.
@ I hear you, I think they know things are being served up to them, but they don’t question it or look for other sources to validate or invalidate what they are seeing. It’s clear by this kid’s responses in the interview-he’s also not questioning what his interviewee is telling him. That’s why I loved when David said, “don’t take my word for it, fact check me.” That’s the valuable step kids are missing. I just want people who consume content, whether it’s The New York Times or a streamer, to research and validate what they’re hearing or reading. I also have teenagers so I dialogue with them a lot about what they are seeing and what their sources are when they tell me about the life hacks they heard about on tiktok. My niece developed an eating disorder from watching content creators tell young girls how to get skinny quick. To say Gen Z and Alpha aren’t being influenced by creators is to deny a fairly clear truth. Just look at Sephora sales. Brands have been banking on social’s influence over teens for almost two decades now.
It's not even a GenZ thing, my mom is almost 60 and is a diehard trump follower. She even compares him to Jesus. All of her political opinions are sourced from Facebook posts, Rumble, Truth Social and Fox News. This election was decided by engagement algorithms, not an informed voter base.
@@vanontom So what you are saying is that this young man goes with the flow and promotes support for Traitorman, simply because it gives him views. An empty shell - trying to make money on a hugely important issue.
You are great at this! I hope you appear on more right podcasts as long as they are as open and willing to learning as this guy is. Props to him for listening and learning!
Really nice to see a young “Trump supporter” willing to adjust his views based on information he didn’t have. Makes me hopeful that more young men are like him. I truly hope his large audience is just as willing to take onboard new facts when faced with them.
He nodded and said "right" a lot, but did he actually adjust his views? He didn't really express any views other than asking questions. He never had a counterpoint, he would ask, listen, and then move on.
I agree, but the kid doesn't even know if he's going to vote. He doesn't even know if he's registered. I get the sense that he doesn't really care that much about voting himself. Which makes the whole thing pretty bizarre. He needs to wake up and learn about all the American soldiers who have died in war so he could have the right to vote.
To me, saying he adjusted his views, but still wouldn’t vote left, just means he would vote for Trump. So really, his views weren’t ultimately altered to any meaningful degree.
@@GreatOutdoors1 One could argue that being willing to ask, listen, and then admit that he didn't know something, is a sign that he could be adjusting his views. Someone who didnt/had no intentions of adjusting their views would have argued either the opposite point to what David said or whatever belief they already had while negating David's point. Him going 'Oh okay I didnt know that' may show current ignorance but him not wholeheartedly regurgitating talking points or lies is actually a good showing that his mind can be changed by simple facts being presented to him.
Schooled! This wasn’t a debate; it was a lecture. I’m a 67 year old progressive. David Pakman is so knowledgeable. David gives me hope for the future of the United States.
It's just an act, to make himself seem 'intellectual' to his equally uneducated viewers. How do I know this?... Because those with curiosity & an affinity to learn, do exactly that. They educate themselves by searching for the answers they seek, which is more easy to do today than ever before. If he genuinely wanted to learn, he would've already. This dude is just full of shit. 🤷🏽♂️
I was wondering how he got this platform, as in who is paying for his whole thing. What was his original source of income? His very first video on RUclips is already in a professional studio, so he had to have come from somewhere else. Turns out he got lucky in the NFT bubble and sold his "NFT marketing company". That tracks.
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you are talking to a heavily brainwashed moron. you have convinced him that trump is bad, but in 12 hours he'll move back to his echo chamber and be sucking up lies not caring about real. I'VE BEEN THERE.
@@thedavidpakmanshow 😆 🤣 😂 😹
@@RandomJHK David is a noodle arm weasel.
Ignorant is not an insult or cruel word to use, it literally means uninformed. If I asked someone about how to play cricket I could say that I’m very ignorant on the subject because I have no idea how to play cricket. It’s not an insult.
@@AmericanItalian1troll 😂😂😂😂😂
Jesus christ, I just realized that I, as a swede, living in Sweden, with no affiliation to the US whatsoever, know more about Trump than a Trump-supporter.
😂😂😂
It's not hard to learn more about Trump than his supporters. They have 1 mode: Take in everything he or his people say, get really good and reciting only that, and then everything else is wrong.
my husband and are thinking of moving there cant take this usa bullcrap anymore
It makes sense- How could any sane person who knew the facts about Trump possibly support him?
As a American I see this every single day. Every single trump supporter I've talked to since 2016seems to not know half of what I know about him
This young man is the epitome of a Trump supporter: all opinion, little information. At least he's listening, and doesn't immediately dismiss information that challenges his opinions. Now if we could get all the others to do the same....
Yeah for sure.
@wheatgerm1208 wouldn't that be wonderful!
Yes and he isn't very informed. It goes to show you that people on the right will listen to anyone who is supporting trump.
😂😂😂😂😂 you people genuinely have no idea how insanely ironic you all are lolololololol. How do you see what’s happening to this country and the world and say, yes, more of that please
Actually he’s not. Many of the MAGA folk when confronted with facts double down. He is more of a center right rational person who was algorithmically entrenched in MAGA propaganda and now that he’s exposed to rational left wing arguments outside of the bubble is willing to change his mind.
Seeing Pakman's decent treatment of this young interviewer gives me more respect for him than ever.
Except Pac-Man can’t admit he’s actually a Democrat because he believes in pretty much all of the Democrat agenda.
No
This guy was open, far from the usual Trump voter you see on YT or on tv. For the trump voter it's all about emotion, that emotion being hate. This is intelligent and he just didn't know what's going on.
Great exchange between these two. I thought there was some great info shared here. Very positive. 👏
Impressive way of tackling questions that could have elicited a very different and unproductive approach.
Honestly, kudos to both: the interviewer for humbly admitting his ignorance about mostly everything, David for not being arrogant or humiliating the kid.
I agree completely -- Sean was open and willing to listen; David was not condescending or lecturing, but instead kindly mentoring. But Sean's professed low information about so many issues that one would think a supporter should know about their chosen candidate is so telling, as is the fact that he has never voted. I think it in part goes to the recent emphasis on STEM classes, which are important, but the declining focus on Civics and history education in public school. When I was a high school student in the seventies in my county, we had a full year class on Civil government. Today in this county, the students have only a semester class. I hope this visit with David will shape Sean's research habits going forward.
And he still is a MAGAT.
Only thing is he's constantly uninformed about all the topics they cover in the interview. Like show some professionalism.
Agree agree. This is perfect. No arrogance and insults. I love this.
This wasn't an interview, it was a teaching moment
LMAO perfect
This particular kid seems less contaminated. That is new...If he became aggressive with the insane party line I would vote him into the dumpster. He is one in a hundred. So far.
We were taught Trump supporters are really this informed. It's insane to me that in the era of Trump we have had to actually take these people seriously. Packmans patients teaches us how to manage these people. There is no choice but to have to address these people unfortunately is what I have learned over the last 8 years.
Btw, I get you mean it was a teachable moment for this guy.
It absolutely was a teaching moment
Since David educated him he had to switch sides , which is WHY Trump loves an UNeducated voter.
Yes, the interviewer was uninformed, but he listened, respectfully responded to David, and remained civil. I enjoyed listening
Same. Wished more people were open-minded like him.
@@ironicirony2938Maybe I'm too cynical, but I don't think that will happen. This kid won't research, and will go back to his ignorant way of thinking as soon as the cult bombards him with lies, which he will believe.
It was quite nice. I took notes as this should be the way we communicate.
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It doesn't matter if he actually ends up researching what David has said.
We can't just give up. We got to keep trying to get the truth out.
If we don't, democracy will die.
At least this was a civil discussion.
Don't forget that old saying; "You catch more flies with honey, than with vinegar."
1,000% agreed!!! 💯 💯
Shocked about how ignorant this young man is. However I appreciate his openess to admitting his ignorance.
I’m guessing the word “ignorance” describes many of the Trump supporters. A lot of people ride on the surface verses researching facts. Imo
This man was more open than anybody else and you’re putting him down? Thats the problem
@@TPG1 no, he’s not putting him down. He should have, because he is awful at his job, but he didn’t.
I couldn't make it pass on the first 10min but he seems more new to this and a victim of the con and misinformation rather than being willfully ignorant like most MAGAts.
@@TPG1 Ignorant isn't necessarily the personal attack you think it is...I understand some people use it as a pejorative, but at base it just means lacking knowledge or awareness on a particular subject...in fact I've seen plenty of people who are highly intelligent refer to themselves as ignorant on certain topics, because they are actually intellectually honest, and dont want to attempt to speak as if they're knowledgeable on something they are not...basically the exact opposite of Trump and a lot of his supporters.
Concepts the vast majority of Americans have no understanding of:
1) Tariffs
2) Capitalism
3) Socialism
3) Communism
4) Ethics
5) Borders
You forgot human dignity
@@Moriarty1982 that's not unique to Americans
@@drg8687 like most of the other points you take ;)
@@Moriarty1982 not true
@@drg8687 sure boy, most Americans have no knowledge of what you say but human dignity they all know and living it...
With death penalties...
I admire Mr. Pakman for not being condescending towards the interviewer. That is what is called a true conversation.
That must be so hard to do.
You should never be condescending to the mentally disabled. That's very rude
That was legit. The attitude of this interview you wouldn't know they were political opposites.
More like that’s what it means to be a great Teacher lol.
The Young man will be thankful to David all his life for patiently and graciously educating him in this manner.
@@DRDR3ADSA They're not mentally disabled. They are brainwashed.
Please educate children so they don’t end up here. David, your patience is legendary.
this is a great way to accomplish this! David is educating and presenting these 'arguements' in a logical and approachable manner. his calm attitude and willingness to have a calm conversation and back and forth is so refreshing. This is wonderful to show people.
Value sources credentials and left own models over examples results and Data
Has nothing to do with education. Has to do with GRIFTING. Most of these grifters know that they’re spewing BS, but there are people literally PAYING them to spew it. If someone is paying you to be a Trump / conservative culture influencer, then that’s your job. And you do it like any other job. Ask Dave Rubin.
David reasons & delivers facts.
Interesting is the Military equipment that has to be sold out.
Does it influence starting wars to sell them ? Also the algorithm - Ai influence on the opinion. Knowing the real facts would change the general opinion.
@@errollkleinwassink8847sooooo many people don’t know that most of what Ukraine gets from us is old equipment. It should make a difference to those that don’t want so much money going overseas. Especially considering it’s a triple win for us. We get rid of stuff that would be junked, we’re protecting democracy without actually going to war AND we are paying our people to make new equipment to replace what’s sent to Ukraine! It’s creating or at least keeping more people working here at home. I cannot fathom wanting to stop supporting Ukraine, at minimum, in this manner.
You did a perfect job of educating someone without trying to humiliate them!
Exactly right. Incredibly respectful and leaning on a confidence in his preparation. Pakman could run for office with his rare brand of candor and preparation.
It wasn’t even necessary for David to humiliate him because he did it to himself
The kid is beyond ill informed but seemed to be willing to listen. I just don’t get how he has a show or an audience unless this is the only time he’s talked politics on his channel.
@@Thisismehey90Beyond uninformed, indeed. Unbelievably so. It has to be an act, IMHO.
Im not ageist but I kinda am...
I like the fact that Sean Kelly was willing to listening instead of rebuking David Pakman. Kudos to Sean and David for having this discussion in a way that the listeners were able to enjoy the interview.
Everyone is ragging on this young man, but he's the smartest Trump supporter I've seen. He was honest about what he didn't know, he listened to David's point of view and was open to learning. If more of them had this mindset, the political climate would not be so combative, imo.
He was polite and non-combative I agree. I would wait and see if any of his views were changed or was he just nodding and saying he would look into things that were brought up to avoid having to engage in a back and forth. I would see if his future interviews with people on the right who discuss these same topics are any different than what he has done in the past.
Smart trump supporters don’t last long as trump supporters
The fact that he chose ANY side despite his admitted level of ignorance then started a podcast knowing that he’s ignorant on the subject is what’s disturbing. It’s arrogant ignorance to do all that.
He may call himself a trump supporter, but he definitely is not.
Agreed.
Hopefully he wont join for vibes and continue to be intellectually curious
I'm an economics professor. Thank you for correctly explaining the impact of tariffs. You would have likely received an A on the exam I'm about to give my class
He was correct on all his arguments, but I wish he would have been more clear and on point on how it impacts the price of consumer end products and drives inflation. That's the key issue people care about and vote based on.
His Economics and MBA degrees have paid off in spades
He didn’t actually explain the impact of tariffs at all, he just explained who pays them.
@@marcuskissinger3842 He could have also explained why Trump thinks tariffs will positively influence the export deficit (as exporters might have to lower their prices to stay competitive despite the added tariffs). I think Trump's approach is not a good one, i.e., I'm against tariffs, but at least there is a theory as to why they could work to address an export deficit and create some income for the government. It does not seem warranted to insinuate that Trump does not know how tariffs work at all.
@@coolcat23 That's a straw man. Nobody says "tariffs never make any sense at all under all circumstances".
My favorite Trump supporter, not registered non voter. 😂
Wear the red hat and stay out the booths 😂
Im black.
There's this "thing" going around that blacks support Trump.
I was surprised to discover one being my nephew (under educated, easily influenced by opposite world) and my brother (ex con, also ignorant to politics and easily influenced in opposite world)...
Say that to say, the like-minded company that they keep, are NOT voters.🤷
My nephew is surrounded by ignorami that repeat the brainwashed mantra "I don't care, my vote won't count anyways!...same breath, "trump really did do a lot for black people " 🤦
My bro, "aye, he stole those documents cuz he was gonna expose the hollywood cannibals that were listed in those documents...i hope he wins the next election"
😒
Me: can't convince them...but they don't vote anyway...😑
They're young and will eventually start voting at the very least may one day. These are the Joe Rogan/RFK fans who are highly misinformed and a little lacking in self-awareness, but not yet ideologically captured and still able to respond positively to fact and change their ideas. Compare this to people like Nick Fuentes and his fans who are tied to something very concrete and much more extreme, you're never going to win them or the QAnon/MAGA voters over. These people think the whole game's corrupt everyone's corrupt and don't realize that there are still good people in politics on both sides of the aisle, and where there's not we can still change that. They need trust in our institutions and to understand how important that trust is to maintain. They need a source of accurate information, continued genuine appreciation for factual evidence-based arguments, and maybe a break from Rogan and Musk, who both generally offer none of those things and in Musk's case is consciously and intentionally pushing more and more extreme, misinformed views.
Haha
Or one who thinks that they can be registered to vote if they've been to a hospital 😂😂😂
I have so much respect for this guy. I can tell he’s not dishonest for his support of Trump, but is endlessly willing to simply just converse and listen. It’s clear David was educating a person much more unfamiliar with the political landscape than him, but it’s insanely refreshing to see someone have an open mind. This is genuinely one of the most informative discussions I’ve seen in I don’t know how long.
The more I get to hear Trump supporters speak the more I realize how little they understand the things they are supporting. This is so sad. Truly the uneducated support him.
They always use X aka Twitter as their source.
It is both sides... and it is more radical now then Ever Before... For this election if you feel you are ALL-IN on Trump or Kamala, the propaganda bug is sucking the life out of you. It sucks being a Democrat now because they rolled out the most unqualified, worst ticket in Presidential history. After Hillary, they didn't even try to bring a great candidate to the table... Just a puppet running with the same strategy "Trump is Hitler, Trump is so bad that is means Kamala Harris is somehow qualified and rhe best person for the highest position in Politics"
@coll4455 Or the all too often cited source used by them, "trust me, bro."
tRUMP SAID HE LOVES THE POORLY EDUCATED.
As he said - “I love the under-educated!” Now you know why. More easily manipulated and accepting of his lies. Disgusting sociopath.
As a non-American, it's crazy how "low information" Trump voters are. This guy has a show and knows so little, imagine an average MAGA member, but at least he listens
Now imagine you go to private school every day and church every week and you listen to Fox News every night… it’s literally a cult
Totally agree. I'm from the UK and this guy absolutely blew my mind. He has a channel and knows nothing, likes Trump but 'doesn't know if he's registered to vote'? Good God
I was thinking of the same thing! I'm from Sweden and I knew more than him. And to take your right to vote for granted and not even vote... that is INSANE to me!
That is a HUGE problem in this country! 80% of Trump supporters have little or no education. Most live in rule America with schools being miles and miles away so people homeschool their kids. Even though they have no education in teaching kids. What can go wrong?
Could not agree more.
David, from a 65 year old boomer, That was so smooth the way you brought the facts and opened his eyes. I try to do the same with friends and family, while trying not to become confrontational. Thanks for all your insights.
I wish i was a able to bring the facts to conversation, but my neuro divergence shuffles all the facts I know when I'm asked on demand.
@Tedoco50 perfectly said 💙
I think the issues always happen when the conversation goes to a whose right or whose wrong bc ppl's egos get hurt and some ppl's pride doesn't allow them to be receptive to being the wrong ones. I always go into a conversation to learn how ppl have come to such a conclusion bc then you lead with understanding vs a debate. It's always with a "Well, why do you think that?" And then I interject facts to lead them to a conclusion. Ppl are funny, they can't accept someone telling them they are wrong but if they come to the realization that they are wrong themselves, then it's okay for them to change their mind. That's what David does and what I appreciated about his presentations. He's always upfront and says: here's my belief on the subject and here's other information. Or it's understanding what the other side is saying and debunking it -well, if they let him get a word in..
@@Tedoco50 Your 65 and you're still a lib? Poor guy. (Head Pat).
@ratdad48 all the musicians you support would not support trump. How sad. What did trump do that you support?
i'm literally 3 minutes in and am wondering how this child has a whole podcast set and what looks like employees when he doesn't know....anything at all?????
This MAGA guy listened more than any MAGA I've ever talked to. Usually they just want to spew Fox fallacies at you.
He might be a Trump supporter but I don't think he's joined the MAGA cult yet. Hopefully Pakman saved him that fate.
He’s actual more daft than the usual tards.
He definitely hasn't. He is most likely the typical young person with above average intelligence who naturally wanted to learn more about the world so he started listening to talk radio and podcasts.
I'm not sure if you've listened to talk radio at all lately but there are WAY more right-wing talk stations than left-wing or neutral stations.
Like marthapackard8649 said, I also think he wasn't fully secure in his support for Trump, probably just got most of, if not all his info from Twitter and/or other various unverified sources.
It's part of how they get their claws in them, the often exaggerated and disrespectful comments and headlines from the far right are particularly eye-catching and entertaining, to say the least. And the ignorant just eat that shit up because it's said with confidence and they often dislike critical thinking, especially when it involves putting in others' perspectives. I've found most who call themselves red, tend to focus really only on what they think will affect them personally.
They also don't frequently crosscheck the information they find with other sources, simply read or hear it once and take it at face. Trump has truly found a way to almost weaponize the mass ignorance of American citizens.
Same. I can no longer speak about anything remotely political because they don’t accept any fact, anything that doesn’t conform to their world view is main media lies and Trump derangement syndrome.
This kid is soooooo brutally uninformed. How do they grow such large platforms? Its almost terrifying, but I love David took the time to educate him and hopefully his young maga audience.
Shows how easy it is to grift on the right, the blind leading the blind.
@Seli.em54 I was typing almost the same thing. It is easy to for someone to make money with right wing talking points.
And he listened and thanked David. 💙💙💙
That's what the right follows... pseudo intellectuals who don't actually know shit but sound good to lazy idiots.. this guy is a joke...the embodiment of knowing enough to get yourself in trouble
100% accurate. It's embarrassing how little research and education Sean Kelly did for this interview. It scares me how uninformed folks at his level are and yet they're so willing to make an unassailable judgement for the election.
I love that David kept correcting him when he mispronounced Kamala. 💙💙
It's like, say Harris if you can't remember how to pronounce comma-la
I also appreciated that he eventually pronounced it right on his own! I really enjoyed this
This dude got his pronunciation from the Trump social media algorithm.
@@everwoo yes, I did too. David was patient and Sean listened and learned.
@@carensc7973, should say “Harris” anyway. I have noticed that we tend to say women’s first name but men’s last name, and I don’t think that’s a coincidence.
I love David's approach. Respectful and calm, no ridicule. Really lovely chat.
DAVID. Do this every day with young men and young women who are Trumpers!
Yes, please!!
So agreed. A campaign like that of just David talking to Trump supporters committing to keep an open mind could single-handedly win the election. Particularly when he goes meticulously into how much better economies work under Dems, it's such a closer.
Most t**mpers would not be as open to listening as this young man was.
If he can find those willing to talk, that’d be AMAZING
… not just David but, all of us with factual info .
🔹🇺🇸🔹
I do have to give this young man credit for absorbing the information and not reacting like most trump supporters who typically become angry and aggressive when presented with facts.
David has a very disarming neutral demeanor that's why.
@@jdanon203yeah his approach definitely helped throughout the interview. When he pushed back against certain ideas that weren’t necessarily true he did it gently and in a way that wasn’t antagonistic, which is really important to getting someone to listen to what you have to say. He’s definitely a very well spoken guy, ive not seen his content before but I’m really interested in watching more now
Or not. The guy wasn't prepared for anything. He's useless and is doing more harm with a platform than good.
And interrupting non stop and getting loud.
Idk how much he actually listened lmao. Being quiet doesn't = listening + taking in information
David could have ripped this young man to shreds, but he is being polite and answering the questions and explaining the facts. Just shows you don’t need to be mean and nasty. Well done David
We call that the velvet hammer
I think it certainly helps this guy genuinely seems open to learning!
It also makes no sense to be so aggressive. God, why are you americans so surprised if two people talk to each other in a civil way when they have different opionions?
I think this has been a very interesting discussion between a young man and an intelligent older man. Good to watch,makes a change to see respect shown on both sides .Thanks 💙💙💙💙💙💙👍
David is the best communicator!
I'm a Brit and David youre a grownup. We need more grown ups in the world. Please.
This kid said “I’m very analytical” but has obviously not researched or analyzed anything….
We have access to the Internet all day everyday, but he hasn't researched anything. Then calls himself analytical
Typical Trump fan.
@@SriKrsnadasa trying is using Google to find out more information about a topic from reputable sources. I also blame Trump for telling these people that any reputable sources is fake news.
That part absolutely took me out. Homie, HOW are you analytical? You have a whole political podcast and know absolutely nothing about the topic. Dude mentioned the hospital when contemplating if he was registered to vote or not.
My god he's misled and uninformed about everything. It's like talking to a junior high schooler.
Kudos for the humility from this kid. Gives me hope
David was completely dumbfounded at the level of the interviewer's knowledge level. Yet, he explained, patiently and logically. Best podcaster out there.
I have nothing against being ignorant, per se. If a person is ignorant but is willing to process new information that goes against their current belief, they are miles apart from those who are willfully ignorant.
The "all I know is all I need to know" crowd is the one with real problems.
@MinecraftMartin unfortunately with the amount of vetted information we have instant access to today, anyone who is ignorant of politics *is* willfully ignorant
This guy is literally the epitome of almost ALL Trump supporters…he doesn’t even know why he supports Trump, he just does. He’s a cult member so the specific details of information are not what he’s based his adoration on. It’s solely based on the most simplistic triggers and biases. I guarantee no matter what he says during this conversation, once he leaves Pakman’s presence he will immediately go back to being a fervent supporter of his Demigod Trump. I’ve never seen a phenomenon like the one that Trump has been able to pull off. It’s more than frightening. It’s like Hitler 2.0 and that is no hyperbole.
@writerchick94 Maybe you're the one who is ignorant to not realize this was a rehearsed, staged political campaign ad for kamala. You've been played.
@@writerchick94 Not really. Time is a resource that all people do not have.
Now to get to actual point:
This podcaster talks about politics so I agree that he should take the time to look at the facts before making any claims or believing things.
Despite disagreeing with his views I have a huge amount of respect for his openness to listen respectfully and accept the areas that he is uninformed in
I wish more people communicated with this level of vulnerability, respect, and honesty. This is how change happens.
Amen to that!
He’s young. I see a glimmer of hope that he can break out of his right wing echo chamber.
No way he is in a cult
There is a new book echo chamber
@feedtherich11 he seemed to just be on the right because the algorithm is feeding him false narratives. I wouldn't saw he's a full trumper with 7 flags on his truck.
Big platform for a guy who's been in a vacuum, researching NOTHING.
I think David will make a great politician
David, I love that you educate, not humiliate. Keep up the good work.
The "not humiliate" part is very important.
I agree... but I also can't help but WANT to humiliate. And, I admit that I do it. I can't seem to find David's level of patience. But I'm pleasantly surprised by the kids' demeanor, which is rare.
Truly. I came away with a good impression of both of them. Sean Kelly seemed legitimately interested in what David was saying, asked thoughtful probing _good_ questions, and when challenged on his assumptions, didn't blindly stick to them.
And meanwhile David was calm, took his time, and presented clear and reasonable points to keep the conversation both civil and productive. Bravo to both.
Yeah, I would have called the guy a complete idiot the entire time.
"got it"
The ignorance of the Trump voter is just unbelievable and frightening!!!!
Being uninformed and willing to learn is completely different from being willfully uninformed. This guy is great.
Well said. A Trump supporter that listens. So rare.
@@CheriG870the problem is, why is such a dummy in a position where he’s an important enough influencer that Pakman felt it worthwhile to visit?! He’s a moron.
The kids an idiot. Got schooled and the only thing he knew for sure by the end was he is still unlikely to vote for a democrat😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@Schlemiel-schlimazelbecause the right wing is an echo chamber. He would have grown up under trump. So may think he should believe him
@Schlemiel-schlimazel that's where we are now unfortunately. At least David's able to get a message across
Wow. It's scary that this guy has a show with limited facts and information on the candidate he supports. David was amazing and very diplomatic in educating this young man.
Exactly! Man has no idea on the most basic facts.
People that support Trump are the political peak on the Dunning-Kruger effect, what do you expect?
Outside of this interview, it seems like this guy doesn't know how to ask (the right) questions about the things he's watching/reading/hearing. Like, never having taken two minutes after hearing about any topic to Google it. That's really bizarre to me as an info seeker... I don't understand people who lack the compulsive reflex to have to dig even just a smidge deeper on anything(/everything).
It's great that he was open-minded. this should be a learning experience for BOTH sides
Reminds me of how Lex Fridman got started
23:38 I'm from Puerto Rico and yes, Trump came to the Island after hurricane María and threw paper towels at a Puerto Rican crowd during the humanitarian crisis. Its on video. He also froze aid funds to PR and didn't let international ships bring supplies directly to the Island because of the Jones Act. The Jones Act was temporarily lifted 10 days after the hurricane struck.
This is something Puerto Ricans will never forget about Trump and his administration.
Interesting, never heard that!
But were they at least Bounty paper towels? It’s the quicker picker upper.
@@capprimenttotally true. Check it.
That was awful. 😢
I'm from Puerto Rico and I will never forget what Trump that. He didn't just throw the paper towels and block aid, but as people on the island suffered and died, he was saying Puerto Rico was dirty and that he wanted to swap it for Greenland. He also said that Puerto Rico will never be a State as long as he lived--I'm not saying I'm pro statehood, but I believe it should be up to us. Anyway, my dislike for Trump isn't only because of what he did on the island--of course, that alone would be enough. However, he's the most vile subhuman to run for the presidency, at least in my lifetime. He's a Racist. Immoral. Repulsive. Misogynist. He is a rapist.. He put children in cages, some were toddlers. He wants to deport every single Hispanic, citizen or not. And, believe it or not, that includes us. Oh, but we're citizens, I hear you say. Our citizenship is statutory. Puerto Rico is a territory and Congress is the one that decides our fate. Guess what would happen if he gets back to the WH? If you need to have an idea, check out the fascist manifesto, Project 2025.
I definitely fell in love with David after watching this. 😂 He was so kind to this ill informed *kid.* I'm very impressed with Sean for listening and being open to learn. Worth every second!
I love the way David Packman presents the facts and concepts for people who aren’t immersed in the depth of politics.
I'm to the left of David Pakman, and he frequently annoys me, but his composure and kindness to people he disagree with is really extraordinary. I couldn't do it.
Same
Agreed. I'm to the left but he feels like the sort of person you could have a discussion where you disagreed on the how and the way of doing things to get a result, but you could agree on what the end goal would be (better life for the citizens, etc).
Composer? He asks questions that are designed to be a losing scenario either way. He's Packman the conman.
@@pngexportimportin the spirit of the video we’re all watching, give an example. I don’t think you know what a conman is.
@@pngexportimportA composer crafts symphonies, like Bach or Beethoven, spinning notes into music. Composure, on the other hand, is all about one's demeanor. David, for instance, exudes composure; he's not orchestrating concertos, but he sure knows how to conduct himself. fucking trump supporters are worse than half baked potatoes.
David - You are a rock star. So intelligent, civilized, patient and incredibly well informed and well spoken. Keep it up!
interviewer asked if the book was audible, he does not read! SMF
Very true. This was a young inexperienced guy that another person might have taunted and humiliated, but David used the meeting to broaden this guy's horizons in such a gentle way. One down -- millions to go.
@@monicaromanus6457
Technology is making people dumb.
We need more conversations like this on a regular basis. You dont have to always agree with the person you're speaking to, but you should be respectful to each other regardless.
Exactly
I'm a Harris voter and I don't go to rallies because I don't feel the need to adulate and adore a political candidate. That's the difference between regular Democrats and vehement foaming at the mouth MAGAs who want to go hear Trump talk about all of the horrible things that are not happening. I'll just vote for her.
We have the same profile pic🥰 Vote Blue! ☮️
I wouldn't want to go to a Trump rally only to get stranded out in the California desert suffering heat stroke. Nor would I want to go to a rally expecting to hear talk of policy only to have to stand around awkwardly for half an hour watching him dance his personal playlist of copyrighted music. It boggles the mind that he still has loyal followers at this point.
@@AD-dg3zz Ignorance is bliss.
@@AD-dg3zz- it’s a cult, it makes people feel like they belong. They don’t look deeper.
The opportunity positive for Democracy is a cheerful outlook I love
I’m so glad you corrected the trump supporter each time he mispronounced Kamala’s name.
It was like watching a guest speaker in a high school civic class. I'm left dumbfounded that enough people watch Sean Kelly to sustain an online show.
To be fair, I simply cannot even remember how to pronounce her name despite wanting to. I try memorizing, but I get lost often. I forget in this moment how to say it even if my life depended on it. 😢
@@highmedic2351Kamala= comma- la
@@highmedic2351 Why not call her VP Harris?
@@highmedic2351it’s. It’s not that hard😐. Hope your life depends on it 😐 yeah that was mean but seriously so is the disrespect for something as simple as a name.
This nice polite young man who is a Trump supporter learned valuable truths from David 👏👏👏👏👏
Nicely done David
If only more trump fans could listen without getting angry.
But he's still going to support drump which is sad
@kimberley1449 47:41 will learn things that are true,that will persuade him that Trump is not who he says he is. As an Independent, I check to see who has the best policies and interests for the American people. Then I will vote .
David, you are so well spoken! Way to knock it out of the park with your facts and levelheaded approach to them.
"I'm a Trump supporter...I'm not sure if I'm gonna vote...I don't even know if I'm registered" 😂 let's hope that that represents the average Trump supporter.
Ironic because Republicans are the ones who push for strict voter registration laws.
That's exactly what I was thinking!!
He loves the poorly educated
Average, no, an incredibly high number, yes.
From your mouth to any God's ears.
This dude was surprisingly chill and open-minded for how much he was getting corrected. And good on David for for not being a dick about it 😄
David prearranged it well. (How foolish does he think that thinking people are?)
He was certainly more open minded than most of the people in this comment section lol
He genuinely seemed to want to know and learn but is caught in a very right very lying echo-chamber.
@@BeachBoysSummerParty seems you don’t realize that this interview was conducted by the uninformed child on his channel… Pakman did not arrange anything here
@@jonfox4022 and vastly less informed… seems that you are in the same boat vis a vis knowledge, but sorely lacking in the curiosity and willingness to encounter facts and reality with an open mind
This guy is the best kind of trump supporter. Never votes and probably not even registered.
😅😅😅
😂👍
After all, Trump tells his supporters he doesn't need the votes.
You are right, the promotion of apathy in Trump supporters is better than nothing at this stage🤣
And as ignorant as most
I feel like these people are very interesting to listen to and you really learn how little most voters don't check facts before voting. many really are gullible.
I could listen to this dude all day long. Been following him since 2020. Keep fighting the good fight, David.
Me too!
Love love listening to him
FYI. I am an open-minded voter. I have voted republican and democratic. Voting for Harris now. Thanks.
Lol, have you had your head buried in the sand last four years? Tell us you are ignorant without telling us you're ignorant!
David, you are incredibly gifted! Your approach to handling this situation during the interview was very insightful. You managed to inform the interviewer and the audience without causing any offense. Brilliant!
Perfect depiction of a Trump supporter: knows nothing about anything.
You base everything on disproven theories disproven decades ago. Results data examples are bad faith to you.
Abd they're very confident about it.
@@sentientfetus3894 I love how this criticism is just some vague garbage. I'm certain if you come up with a detail it will be stupid.
It's finally completed: ruclips.net/video/v5TZp-NzIG4/видео.html
Why the hate from OP against someone who is obviously young and self-proclaimed as "new to this"... But is taking notes and learning. Pakman has a decade of experience, this guy does not. Why you're attacking him is beyond me.
That poor kid, nicely polite, is SO intellectually outclassed by David Pakman.
right? the fact he kept spouting stuff at pakman without really anything backing it up and pretty much stating it as fact was mind blowing - how is he coming at him about the convention audience size not knowing its a closed event
Yeah, but David handled it perfectly - not being condescending/reactive, breaking down complex concepts into more manageable pieces, and it really shows that it made a difference.
@@JR-pr8jb I’m glad David was able to educate him so much but surprised David even gave him the time if he had researched him and realized this kid barely has a drivers license much less and fkn clue about how things work and what’s going on.
I think the young man does need much more info on both Harris, trump to cast a vote. Bless him, he is just starting out, but does need more homework! Vote blue
It’s his podcast. He’s getting paid to get an education from David.
This interviewer is spewing everything MAGA says ugh. Thanks David, always love when you try and talk sense into others.
It's finally completed: ruclips.net/video/GZT_A7MEtJg/видео.html
It was irritating, but like the interviewer said, he is a trump supporter and is used to saying Kamala wrong and not understanding aid and funding and how government works within his bubbled right wing.
It was well done, good work, I’m no where near articulate enough to ask it out❤❤❤
This seems to be a typical MAGA . TOTALLY ignorant about life's facts .
Just believes the B/S Trump and Fake Fox News spews
Yes David is a smart guy.
Yeah he was scewing up from the start, David had a hard time explaining to that dense guy that he wasn’t a Democrat. Ugh, he must be draining to be around.
This was a pleasant surprise. I expected him to reflexively dismiss any and all facts that didn't agree with his politics, but he actually listened and learned.
This boy is a typical Trump supporter. Doesn’t know anything about anything. Thanks for taking the time to educate him and at least he listened and didn’t over talk you.
@nk1974 You can't tell this was rehearsed? This was a biden infomercial. This was a campaign ad.🙄😒. Sheesh. Have you ever heard of this guy? The guy even looks like a Democrat.
@@ratdad48 "You can't tell this was rehearsed?"
I can tell you it wasn't. I can also tell you are a troll.
@@ratdad48 Looks like a democrat..? I just drove by a pseudo-mansion today as I took my wife and kids to a fall fest at a farm. Full of Harris signs. Wealthy rural people look democratic as well? What about guys with beards? I work with a gay guy. He is conservative, under 30, and hangs a trump flag in his bedroom. But I guess he looks liberal...
@@ratdad48Biden's not running....? Not sure why it would be a Biden informercial
@@ratdad48 maga tears!
At least the guy engaged with you and listened.
yeah he was super reasonable, and David is just a skilled communicator. hope this reaches the eyes and ears of some young folks teetering on the edge of the alt-right pipeline..
17:51 @@SublimeSynth
Thats the bare minimum? I love how this is the standard now 💀
@@notaspeck6104 right 💀
Agreed...let's give props th the young Trumper. He respectully listened.
David, what a beautiful job educating this young man. He has clearly thought little and had opinions that were based on nothing. You helped him learn HOW to think about finding information and evaluating it. Well done, sirrah.
He has clearly thought little……..I hope he’s okay based off of this lol
Pakman broke the brainwashing.
@@ctooooooooo LMAO
😊
Thank you David for participating in this podcast. L feel you not only opened Sean’s mind but reinforced many things I knew. Because Sean was so open to hearing what you were saying, I would watch his podcast in the future and see if you’ve made a lasting impact.
Your patience, David, is admirable, as is this young man's curiosity.
Agreed. There's a lot of hate against someone who is obviously young and self-proclaimed as "new to this"... But he's taking notes and learning. Pakman has a decade of experience, this guy does not.
The left only values there own theories and base credibility of sources in their own theories
At least his hair is on his head and not growing wildly on his face like other male MAGAs.
thank you for positive comment. Alot of commenters here are obnoxiously arrogant and condescending towards the guy who is hosting Pakman.
He listened, he was openminded. I think thats all good.
I don't think it required patience. I mean, the guy was very keen to listen. What more can you ask?
David this is what I call ,first class teaching on democracy. Good job David.
David:
Other guy: "Wow really? I didnt know that"
This is so cringe!
@@52ndgalacticempress admitting to not know something is way more mature and ethical when speaking to an audience than doubling down on ignorance. I can appreciate it from the host.
Or "Got it!"
I think David’s comment, “I think this is research prep for a different guest” was hilarious, and not wrong. 😄 it really felt like he did only the most cursory research before getting David on-air, almost like, “this guy is pretty pro-Kamala, has a large audience, and agrees to meet. I’ll get him.”
David: *provides succinct yet informative analysis on how China doesn’t pay for tariffs*
Other dude: Wow, so China pays?
If I have to hear him say "damn I didn't know that" one more time. And so unaware that when he says "most people wouldn't/don't" he's so talling about himself. Very sad.
Laud this young host for his respectful engagement. And likewise, David is equally respectful. They could do a class. Thabks guys! Definitely a breath of fresh air in today's political sphere. 🙌🏾
David needs to do A LOT more things like this. He's so insightful, knowledgeable, and respectful. This is the way to reach Trump supporters or undecideds. Great job David
It can’t hurt at the very least, and every single vote is so important
@@brianruzek5487 i think it's so important to keep the other person's ego in tact. no insult, degrade, or try to make them look stupid. that gets nowhere. open calm dialog where we respect the other person is the only way i've seen anyone at least be open to changing their views
No Trump supporters I know watch heavily biased sources like this guy lol. I do just to hear other perspectives, but can prove most of the “facts” this guy has wrong. I can’t prove his opinions wrong, because they’re opinions, but it’s helpful knowing why democrats have certain opinions
No kidding. He’d make a great instructor.
I am impressed with Sean's reaction. He was calm and respected being corrected unlike many older maga men and women that scream at you and never let you speak. I actually watched the entire video and enjoyed it. 👏 great job!
I think there are some right wing hosts that could learn from this. This is informative. Yelling is not.
This video made my day. It"s refreshing to see two people willing to have an open discussion, with the humility to admit ignorance and willingness to learn. I wish that was not an exception to the rule. I've tried so many times to hear from people from "the other side" only to reach a wall of outrage.
This young man has over 1M subscribers, so his channel is a great start in showing Maga fans the truth. David is very strategic. We need more like this. Well done!
Agreed, sometimes slowing down to listen and teach is possible. The kid seems malleable. He’s open because Pakman is patient. Hopefully he will cause this young man to truly investigate.
Laughable
A lot like Pete Buttigieg in bringing the message TO them wherever they are.
Seem botted though, his views are terrible.
11.3 million followers and doesn't know about recent 45 events. I'm mystified.
He proved what I keep telling people. 70% of people don't understand tarrifs (including Trump) and 90% of Trump supporters.
You are so sad I have no words. Maybe you should stick to words instead of numbers, and economic policy.
While I agree with the message of the statement, it is always best to not bring up statistics without any proof. It shows a closed mindedness to the world at hand. If you had said something more along the lines of, "majority of the people I have run into don't understand how tariffs work" then that would be better stated. But to throw around numbers to confirm a belief solves nothing and will only do more harm.
I thought the idea was that even if they aren't literally paying for the tariff, it increases the effective price and decreases the demand. So they "pay" for it in a way by having to take less profit to maintain a competitive price. Is this not right, at least in theory?
I came across a tick tock yesterday of a former conservative influencer. One of the things she said that aligns with this interview, actually learning about the issues is what changed her mind on political issues. She didn't realize how little she knew about the reality of the political landscape until she started venturing outside of her conservative bubble. Interviewers like this are absolutely essential.
Yes, absolutely 100% true.
Slapping people down who are venturing outside their echo chamber might feel kind of satisfying in the short term but you’ve just lost a teachable moment if you do that.
This guy learned something from this exchange. If nothing else he knows to Google how tariffs work and he’ll see that Packman was correct.
Facts !!!
Genuinely curious, do you know who it was?
Duning-Kruger.... its rife across politics. The people who shout the loudest and are more entrenched in their position are almost always the least informed about the very things they think themselves informed in.
Remember: you, too, may have been influenced - only slightly, of course - in exactly the same way you believe conservatives have been. I have my doubts, but you may be capable of learning something. Again, I doubt it. It's also funny to see you use a word like "absolutely". I was sure you leftists believed that absolute truth does not exist.
I’m impressed - you know what you’re talking about. Thank you.
I'm glad he was open to listening and learning
This is a clear example that the statement "im a Trump supporter" is synonymous with "im uninformed".
To a massive degree.
The interviewer was literally corrected on every single point he brought up,surprisingly it seemed he was taking in the information and not getting combative.
Uninformed and misinformed
I don't live in the US and I'm not a presenter for a show but I know more about US politics than this guy.
No he's not a typical Tump supporter. He admitted that he did not know what he did not know. No Tump supporter would ever do that. They would simply lie or repeat MAGA talking points.
This is a fresh take in that certain people who lack information will actually appreciate getting valid information from those more educated on the topic in order to make better choices. I can't fault that.
You spelled democrat wrong
This guy’s ignorance is crazy! David, you handled him perfectly.
@@stevo_05 But luckily he had an open enough mind and listened close enough to “ be converted to the truth 👍🏻
Except David talks about candidits. There is none. But there definitely is candidates.
Compared to most other Trump supporters, this guy seems pretty level headed
I dont think its very smart to downtalk the guy that admits when he doesnt know stuff.
@@KazaarLotha I agree. He was actually very honest about his learning truthful information and never combative very nice young man actually 👍🏻
It’s amazing when we just can have a conversation. Thank. God.
hi David, it's cool that you did this! I don't like seeing people call this kid an idiot, but you taught current events 101 lessons with kindness, patience and respect. Respect matters. Good energy!
He is an idiot.
He's willing to listen and learn, and I like that. He's not an idiot. he's just horribly misinformed.
If you're this ignorant of a topic you shouldn't have a talk show about it...I seriously don't grasp it. Otherwise he's more mature and honest than most any other conservative pundits.
Calling someone an idiot shows the lack of empathy, compassion and second changes which is what is truly missing in this country.
@@silverpurkat I'd have this take all the time if millions of Republicans weren't regularly claiming that I'm a child predator who worships Satan just because I believe in universal healthcare and think we shouldn't demonize gay people and immigrants.
If you're taking a side you don't get to be ignorant of its dark underbelly. The GOP of today isn't the one we saw over 20 years ago.
Huge respect to both of you. You listened to each other, had an open conversation, and didn't attack each other at any point.
Props!
It's so unusual these days. I also appreciate it.
I know I miss this.
I agree. I do wish David had taken a step back from specific questions for a moment and talked about the bigger picture and why it is really important to vote. This kid was completely cavalier about whether he's even going to vote. Very bizarre.
👏👏👏👏👏
IDK about the kid but David NEVER attacks or gets rude in interviews/debates. His style is pure Jiu Jitsu.
This guy is getting a a basic education. David you are the best !
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Very very basic. And for him to be in this space & be this level of uninformed is quite shocking.
David you are an angel...i would have lost it with his ignorance...hats off to you!!!
I appreciate this discussion. I almost feel bad for this guy for really being ignorant on basically everything, but that’s the grift Trump’s counting on.
@wealthyindustrialist you nailed it!
At least he listened. Hopefully he goes and looks into information more.
@@matthewm8021and registers to vote for Kamala
The host is so uninformed but at least he's willing to learn. Is it willful ignorance or something else.
How does this guy have a podcast! He knows so little about how things work. Typical trumper
As an older Gen X, I am so thrilled to hear your intelligence & humility David.
It is absolutely alarming how little this young man knows.
It sure is! Majority of MAGA Trump supporters just hear noise and nothing sinks in or questioned!
@@seancotterell4225 My dad, who I always considered analytical, knows less than this kid because he only watches Fox. I commend this guy.
I'm Canadian in Canada. We have 'Trump supporters' here. But it's the same. "I like what he says" but don't actually know what he's saying. The way they look at you when you educate them on his actual policies and issues, is shocking
Yet believes he’s smart enough to have a podcast
@@senikau78 I don't think it is just MAGA there are plenty of uninformed people on both sides, mainly due to News Media choosing what stories they can 'both sides'
Amazing civil conversation and I really hope someday we have David Pakman as our future president to unite our Country again. I was a CNN watcher before then my mother told me to watch shows like the meidas touch and now I will never go back to CNN ever. And thank you so much for giving me my faith back in humanity because I really did lose hope on everything when tRump won election.
This kid is the clearest example of the problem with TikTok’s influence over GenZ. They believe ‘the algorithm’, don’t read or research, they talk a big game and at the end of the day couldn’t bother to register to vote. This is why I decided to raise my kids in Europe. They still have access to TikTok but schools actually make them read and they learn to form their own opinions. You won this “debate” David, through preparation and articulation. Thank you for kindly educating the uneducated. Also I figured out how to vote from abroad and cast my vote for the only person fit to be president.
in Europe the news arent on Tik tok our X. lots of differences over here.
GenZ actually has a better BS filter than many Boomers. I teach high school chemistry and they actually understand how algorithms work and KNOW that what they see is being fed to them. Most negative stuff about GenZ that you hear in the media is older people not understanding how they think or why they think that. You’re kind of showing your own ignorance by the statement you’re making. GenZ knows what TikTok is doing and they like what they like. It’s a lot less influential than older people think. I talk to GenZ every day and it’s my literal job to understand how they think.
@ I hear you, I think they know things are being served up to them, but they don’t question it or look for other sources to validate or invalidate what they are seeing. It’s clear by this kid’s responses in the interview-he’s also not questioning what his interviewee is telling him. That’s why I loved when David said, “don’t take my word for it, fact check me.” That’s the valuable step kids are missing. I just want people who consume content, whether it’s The New York Times or a streamer, to research and validate what they’re hearing or reading. I also have teenagers so I dialogue with them a lot about what they are seeing and what their sources are when they tell me about the life hacks they heard about on tiktok. My niece developed an eating disorder from watching content creators tell young girls how to get skinny quick. To say Gen Z and Alpha aren’t being influenced by creators is to deny a fairly clear truth. Just look at Sephora sales. Brands have been banking on social’s influence over teens for almost two decades now.
Also, Tesla model 3 is $42.5K. This guy was just filled with misinformation.
SO much of "I didn't watch it, but I heard..."
It's not even a GenZ thing, my mom is almost 60 and is a diehard trump follower. She even compares him to Jesus. All of her political opinions are sourced from Facebook posts, Rumble, Truth Social and Fox News. This election was decided by engagement algorithms, not an informed voter base.
what a respectful conversation, so refreshing.
That's a rare sight, a Trump supporter willing to listen. David very eloquent as always, great conversation.
Seems like a guy that has never actually voted, has no real intention to vote, but the algorithms have reinforced and polarized him nonetheless.
@@vanontom
So what you are saying is that this young man goes with the flow and promotes support for Traitorman, simply because it gives him views.
An empty shell - trying to make money on a hugely important issue.
I'm so proud of David, just pure intelligence all around.
You got rugged pulled ..lol
@MichaelShinosky is that a closeted red state thing ?
You are great at this! I hope you appear on more right podcasts as long as they are as open and willing to learning as this guy is. Props to him for listening and learning!
David is so knowledgable and articulate. He is a joy to learn from.
He did a great job with this.
He’s great here because he doesn’t get into ideology, he talks facts and realities, and just lets truth do its thing.
Really nice to see a young “Trump supporter” willing to adjust his views based on information he didn’t have. Makes me hopeful that more young men are like him. I truly hope his large audience is just as willing to take onboard new facts when faced with them.
He nodded and said "right" a lot, but did he actually adjust his views? He didn't really express any views other than asking questions. He never had a counterpoint, he would ask, listen, and then move on.
I agree, but the kid doesn't even know if he's going to vote. He doesn't even know if he's registered. I get the sense that he doesn't really care that much about voting himself. Which makes the whole thing pretty bizarre. He needs to wake up and learn about all the American soldiers who have died in war so he could have the right to vote.
@@GreatOutdoors1he didn't have any information to counterpoint with. He did seem woefully uninformed.
To me, saying he adjusted his views, but still wouldn’t vote left, just means he would vote for Trump. So really, his views weren’t ultimately altered to any meaningful degree.
@@GreatOutdoors1 One could argue that being willing to ask, listen, and then admit that he didn't know something, is a sign that he could be adjusting his views. Someone who didnt/had no intentions of adjusting their views would have argued either the opposite point to what David said or whatever belief they already had while negating David's point. Him going 'Oh okay I didnt know that' may show current ignorance but him not wholeheartedly regurgitating talking points or lies is actually a good showing that his mind can be changed by simple facts being presented to him.
It is INFURIATING how easy this information is to obtain, and yet the Right misinformation is still default
Schooled! This wasn’t a debate; it was a lecture. I’m a 67 year old progressive. David Pakman is so knowledgeable. David gives me hope for the future of the United States.
It wasn’t a debate in the first place man…
It is nice that this young man listened and learned some things and committed to learning.
I commend your optimism.
it's finally completed: ruclips.net/video/v5TZp-NzIG4/видео.html
It's just an act, to make himself seem 'intellectual' to his equally uneducated viewers. How do I know this?... Because those with curiosity & an affinity to learn, do exactly that. They educate themselves by searching for the answers they seek, which is more easy to do today than ever before. If he genuinely wanted to learn, he would've already. This dude is just full of shit. 🤷🏽♂️
HE'S 27.
It is frightening that this kid has a platform and is so uneducated. Glad he listened and you did great David, but wow.
Bestbuy should do a background check before selling mics and headphones, all his eps are dumb right wing small talk for new right wingers
He doesn't have a platform. He's just a young guy trying to break into youtube. David is a few leagues above him in media clout.
I was wondering how he got this platform, as in who is paying for his whole thing. What was his original source of income? His very first video on RUclips is already in a professional studio, so he had to have come from somewhere else. Turns out he got lucky in the NFT bubble and sold his "NFT marketing company". That tracks.
When your political platform's main approach is grifting, you don't need to be educated - you just need to appear more educated than your listeners.
Part of me wants to see what his channel is all about but the other part doesn't want to lose brain cells for having done so.
This young man is open minded and willing to learn. I commend him. He will go very far.