How to use lofexidine for quick opioid withdrawal
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2019
- Lofexidine, the new kid on the block in the United States for opioid withdrawal, can help patients get through the process in a few days, instead of a week or more, according to Thomas Kosten, MD, a psychiatry professor and director of the division of addictions at Baylor College of Medicine, Houston. Learn more at www.mdedge.com.
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I hate when they say withdrawal is like the flu. I'm sure anyone going through withdrawal would trade it for the flu any day. The flu doesn't last as long and you dont deal with the psychological torment. You have the feeling of restless leg syndrome, but over your entire body. You can't sleep for a week or more, which makes you feel worse. You can't eat and everything makes you wretch. Oh God, the weird chills and sweating where you don't want to move...it scares me to think about...
Angela Ramirez yeah a bad case Of the flu ? More like a million times worse than the flu. I’ve never had a flu so painful Ive wanted to not be alive. or consider cutting off a finger or something to try to distract myself from the withdrawal
@@cadevanstone5481 Right?! You can sleep it off with a flu with a little bit of medicine. Withdrawal keeps you from sleeping because your skin is crawling. It feels like restless leg syndrome over your entire body and the discomfort and sweats ugh. Yeah I've been through it many times. I got myself addicted to opiates in my teens and have been on and off suboxone for about 7 years!
Exactly, the flu would be a vacation compared to withdrawal hell
Let me put it like this. I would pay $1000 to trade withdrawal for the flu.
I hate the comparison to the flu. No it is nothing like the damn flu. When I get the flu, I sleep!
To all who fight this fight most “normal” people don’t understand… stay encouraged and keep on fighting the good fight.. I stand with you all.✊
Thanks bro
Whoopty whoop. 6 days. Highly unlikely my asssss
Thanks homey
@@jethrocool194 hope your still at it 32 days hear and still pushing
Thanks
They HAVE to change this notion of it feeling like the flu. I wouldn’t dread withdrawal if it only felt like the flu. When you know you’re going to go through withdrawal, it is horrifying. And then the actual withdrawal comes and it’s worse than you remember every time.
yeh it's hell no doubt
Truth!! The mental is what gets me.
@@tameramares5785 what's the mental of it?
@@22floridacat the psychological aspect. When you just have flu you’re not also battling the cravings, the depression, the rollercoaster of mood swings. That’s what makes it harder than the flu. The actual physical symptoms are pretty much like a very bad flu but it’s the rest of it that makes it so hard. The knowledge that it will all stop and not only that but that you’ll feel amazing with the push of a plunger on a syringe. Going from the worst you’ve ever felt to the best you’ve ever felt, with the flick of a switch. That’s a powerful psychological object to overcome. The minutes seem like hours. I was plagued by a recurring mental image of the blood shooting back into the barrel of the syringe , the moment that you’ve found a vein and you’re about to feel amazing. It’s truly horrible , thank god I’m clean these days.
@@LyricalQuickblade your absolutely right. I'm going through it right now, I'm on day 5. The first couple days I felt like my apt was jail and there wasn't anything that could make me happy. Everything made me sad and my body hurt badly. I'm feeling a little better now but yeah your right lol
Hey, easy peasy. That’s what the doctor said. If anyone really wants to know how to detox, contact your local ex addict.... not the guy who gave you the problem in the first place.
Yep that’s so right
Amen..
Truth
#KAREN
# NA (if anyone still goes)
I've had the flu a few times and I've withdrawn from opiates many many many times and there's no comparison. Opiate withdraw is a living nightmare.
damn straight
My favorite is kicking opiates and benzos at the same time!!!! Only time I've ever been suicidal!
The main difference is the mental game of leaving the thing you loved behind. I stopped loving the opiates an a deep subconscious and unconscious level and withdrawal with almost nothing.
It is nothing at ALL like ''The flew''
I have had genuine flu and it's nothing like methadone WD {The worst to WD from in my experience}..
With flu, one can be cozy in bed with paracetamol, listening to radio- with methadone WD cozy is not possible.
Kids need to know it gets so bad and people are in such hell because your body has no way to moderate pain so everything hurts every second of every minute of… There’s no way it’s comparable to the flu. People are most likely to OD when they are detoxing. Part of that is because the dose is now too high, but a smaller part of it is those choosing death over that hell. imagine going through weeks of hell and they STILL choose the drug or death to escape. “The Shield” has a visceral portrayal of a woman suffering from opiate withdrawal, and the insane choice she makes when she comes out the other side. Bear in mind 5000 people died from overdose 20 years ago. Now since the government started arresting doctors pain patients went to the streets for pain relief. Now 110000 people die from overdose, including my cousin 😢. 2 vietnams of people who died every year. He was celebrating opening his new business. We believe he took cocaine laced with Fentanyl to make it more addictive.
I love how they say opiate withdrawal won't kill you well my best friend couldn't take the pain and shot himself in the head !!!
😥
Damn, so sorry. 😞
thats real asf cold turkey will have you thinkin like that its so sad nobody really gets how bad the suffering is
Really...when i was in jail with the cold Turkey i think that death is better...
I totally understand that feeling!!! People just think it's like the flu IT IS NOT!!! Its literal hell
Withdrawal is NOTHING LIKE THE FLU it's like being stuck in a desert with no water & your wearing a sweat suit & 50 pound boots and your hung over from a 3day drinking binge
As miserable as i'am feeling right now, as im just going through my 4th day totally off suboxone.
I just had to lol, because of the comparison you made.
As i read your comment, i pictured the stuff you wrote in my head and damn dude, you really hit the nail on the head! Thats exactly how i feel right now!
So so exhausted and worn out, eventho i havent done a thing then laying around in agony since sunday. Not even a shower!
I know thats fucking gross, but i just can't....right now 🥺
May God give us the Power to pull through this!
When you’re exhausted and just want to be able to sleep for a minute but all your body can do is twitch and make you want to move your legs and tense your damn muscles 🤦🏻♀️
@@yviwinchester814 I know it’s been awhile but how’s it been going after 3 months? Have you stayed clean? How do you feel now?
Did you notice that it causes insane thirst that no amount of fluids can satisfy?
@@paytonhope9322 I don’t know about others but the insomnia is what got me and why I had to stay on it until I could sleep a couple hours every other night. Most of us can feel like shit for a week, but we can’t go without sleep for a week. The restlessness and insomnia are the true killers.
I feel like the misinformation of "opiod w/d not being able to kill you", is a big misunderstanding.
Enough vomiting and diarrhea, without supplemental fluids, can lead to hyponatremia and into cardiac arrest. It has been documented.
This misunderstanding needs to be corrected and focused on by addiction specialists.
YES! And I would like to add something to your point if I may - when they say "it's not a lethal withdrawal" or "you don't get seizures from opioid wd, only benzos and alcohol" - ITS BULLSHIT !! I have had THREE seizures in 2019 trying to come off OPIOIDS. And yes, I'm positive it was that, I was using nothing else. I also don't have epilepsy and never had seizures as a baby, so that says something. This whole "opioid wd is uncomfortable but safe" bs needs to be wiped off the fucking minds of doctors and they need to be informed it IS infact dangerous and medical attention and medication is more than necessary!
Alucard 666 soooo so true.😔
I went in withdrawl from benzos and suboxone i had a seizure and i was lucky my mate found me and called an ambulance or it would have killed me..the flu yeah sure thing mate.
@@davidbrett1958 Benzo withdrawal is an entirely different ballgame. Glad you are alright.
If you are stupid and go off high doses you will have seizures if you go down to 0.5mg like dr expect you to its not lethal its not even as bad as flu. Tapering is crucial but people are too stupid to listen to specialists
I nearly died when he said “bad case of flu” i don’t need to explain by the comments everyone gets it.
Hahahahha
Trying to explain to the average Joe Schmoe what it’s about he’s not trying to explain it to an addict.
Everybody is saying this we all know it’s not the flu. We all know he’s never done opiates and withdrawing off of them. I’ve done it at least 10,000 times over the last 40 years so I do understand withdrawal. I’m not looking forward to getting off methadone. I don’t know how high you can jump off, but it’s gonna suck.
What these so-called professionals do not seem to grasp is that every single person is different and what works for one person doesn't necessarily work at all for another person. You need to give these doctors going into the field of addiction recovery a medication that makes them feel what withdrawal is really like and there is no remedy or antidote you just have to wait it out for 5 days, then maybe they would have more empathy for the patients and how hellish this can be!
YES, THIS!! Thank you!
Kratom has even worked! And Benadryl to pass out, but oof…..it’s the worst!
I agree! If they are going to work with addicts they should know what the patient is feeling . the drs I deal with are clueless
Yes,I've often thought that drs who deal with opiate addicted patients ought to have as part of their schooling, a deliberate case of personal opiate addiction- and then they get to kick it.
I think we'd see less opiate drs,but the ones who made it thru, wldnt be yakking about it being just like having a flu. You don't know, until you know. And, as a side note, it gets harder each time, that may be psychological- the knowing and dreading....
I've often dreamed of a detox where they put you in a controlled coma for the worst of it, say 3-5 days. Man,I sure hate how we have to learn our lessons , and then we do it again! That must be insanity.
Best answer ever!!!
Ive been on opioids and opiates for 23 years. Today is my birthday and marks 14 days without drugs. I feel terrible but i know the light is coming at the end of this dark dark tunnel. IM NOT GIVING UP OR GIVING IN!
so how are you doing now
withdraw for 14 days? Jesus
These doctors are the least creditable sources when it comes to addiction. If you haven’t been there you can’t possibly fathom anything relatable.
Exactly! Suboxone/Subutex has a half life as long as Methadone and the “cluck” (Withdrawal name in U.K) is just as bad if not worse.
Kratom use and then Ibogaine seems the route to go.
"bad case of the flu" yeah, that's a bit of an understatement.
@Sheeeit Mayn they say withdrawal is just like a "bad flu" right? And like you said that's a bit of an understatement! I liken that fan phrase to Covid too! They say "it's just a little worse than the flu..." Yeah right! Both Covid and withdrawal are horrendous and shouldn't be described so lightly...
Just a bit....
They dont wanna tell the truth about how bad it actually is
What they don't tell you is just how drawn-out and protracted withdrawing from buprenorphine is. A VERY slow taper is essential, and sadly, a ton of doctors have no idea what they are doing. Buprenorphine can be a life saver if used correctly by a cautious medical professional.
They are just lies and they promise to be your friend and help you BS Stay away from doctors it’s a scam
@@michaelchristian9121 Will do. Thanks for the input. Last thing I need is another long, drawn out withdrawal process from hell. I don't think I could handle it again. It's not so much the physical aspect for me as it is the psychological beating. I even encountered that with kratom. I took it for so long at massive doses, and the withdrawals were absolutley evil. And I always had my stuff tested for adulterants. I learned the hard way that as an addict I cannot moderate anything. Better to skip the kratom phase if you can't regulate the intake. Just my personal opinion though. it has worked wonders for many. And at least it is safe compared to pharmaceuticals.
i tapperd bup to 1mg a day over 1 month now and still feel like crap it feels like i must to tapper to 0,0001 to take off that shit and would be like zombie for another few months,
@@addmee333 That's why I don't plan to ever taper off at all. I am one of those addicts that will more than likely need this stuff until I die. And I'm ok with that.
Hang in there, my friend. You should bump it back up to 8mg and try going down 1/10th of a strip every two weeks...or every month if need be!
kratom
is better to use for getting off heroin, oxy for me at least. using around .5 g of black tar a day for months and take kratom for a couple weeks the stop the kratom completely and didn't have anymore withdrawals. with suboxone the wds were way more drawn out and worse. Just can't make money off kratom in big pharma
The only thing I really agreed with tremendously is that a benzo would be prescribed during the detox for sleep. The insomnia coming off of subs was the worst for me and I stopped after I got down to 2mg
Me too! I'm currently 72 hours in with zero Subs (but I need to drink a glass of wine or a couple beers to be able to sleep) and I don't drink alcohol. It's hard as hell when you're feeling detox symptoms to make yourself exercise but it does help & it can wear your body out so that sleep comes easier. Meditation, Yoga, and a positive attitude /support system is also crucial. Drink tons of water & eat healthy (take vitamins). I hate being a slave to these drugs. I can't wait til I'm free & clear of this crap! Much love & respect!
@@scottiecopasetic8315 hows it going now, Im going tostart detox in a couple days
@@noway2708 - I'm actually stopped Subutex @ 4mg/day and the first week was really hard. Now I'm on day 17 and it's still challenging to get sleep but the chills, sneezing, & diarrhea has subsided greatly. (take hot showers) and try to keep somewhat busy while you're recovering at home. I wish u only the best in your detox endeavors. Much luv... Remember to luv yourself!
Well good for you though! I'm proud of you to get off! I haven't yet.
@@noway2708 have u started your detox mate ... Plz rplly i m also starting the detox in a couple of days
Don't listen to this guy. He hasn't even made enough money as an MD to afford a dentist.
Best comment on RUclips.
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I was wondering why his teeth looked so bad...
Bro u made my day
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i went through a treatment that used anesthesia to get off of meds. it took 3 days, no withdrawal symptoms at all. it was incredible. don’t remember the specifics though. and the dr no longer performs the procedure.
....unfortunately i ended up having to get back on opiate pain meds for 12yrs now bc of my chronic head pain, but am now in the freaked out period where i can’t decide which is worse- withdrawal+detox, or being on opiates. it’s horrible. (i also had to get off of them once before, w/out that trtmnt. so i have been through the actual detox process.) it’s just so unreal that the mere THOUGHT of going through withdrawal can stop u from choosing to get off of OPIATES! 😳🤦🏻♀️
This is what im dealing w/, i had 5 mnths clean & found some heroin that i had hiden n forgot bout n used for a few days n had 2 work every day in which i got scared of how shitty n uncomfortable id feel discontinuing it so now its been 2 months using n i wish to God i had gone through the lil discomfort then rather than allow it to grow, all bc of fearing w/drawls!
@@christas.7608 wow. I feel your pain and I am so sorry you’re having to deal with this. I wish you the absolute best, and that God grants you strength to handle this whether ur going to get off of them or if you’re just still stuck in the “I’m so terrified that I’m just gonna continue to use” phase. Either way, I know it must be hard as hell. Though our usage is different, in that I use opiate meds and you’re dealinf w the hell of addiction, I pray we both can eventually overcome our fear of the detox/withdrawal process and come out the other side!!
You’re not alone, Christa. ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
@@christas.7608 I did a very similar thing. I went through detox for Heroin and the opioid meds my Dr was prescribing me (ER Morphine, Percocet) and when I got home found a bit of Heroin (maybe a 1/2 gram) I had not gotten rid of, used for just 2 days and the next thing I know I'm calling my old dealer and getting back on it. I'm now in the process of tapering off all opioid drugs (Day 9), whether they be RX and prescribed to me or the Heroin and while it's not as "easy" as the medical detox I went through, I feel like this time it will stick. In 9 days I have gone from 1/4 gram doses, injected 4xs per-day to 1/16th gram doses at 2xs per-day currently and will completely stop the Heroin by day 11 or 12. BTW, I stopped all other opioids i.e. those that were prescribed to me for my chronic pain issue's. I have about 10 percocet left from my last refill and have saved them in order to wean off the heroin completely. i.e. my last step in detoxing from opioids. From experience I find that for me the withdrawal's from the percocet are far less severe than the Heroin, so it's taking a bit longer to get off of all opioids, but don't want to relapse... again and find myself back in the same position I'm currently in!! IMHO, the sedation treatment may work best for short term users, but not for long term users and those predisposed to addiction for whatever reason. I hope this finds you Healthy, Safe, Sane and Sober.. ;)
@birdie yes, I’ve looked into that procedure.. it’s called advanced rapid detox. There’s still one place in the US that does it (I believe it’s in Michigan) but it’s expensive as hell. I’ve considered doing it, but it is risky and many people have died or gone into a coma from doing it. You were luck to have no issues. That’s probably why your Doc doesn’t do the procedure anymore. I’d be more likely to do it if it was in my state, but maybe it’s good thing since it’s considered a dangerous procedure. I’d just love to wake up and be done with it..
Find suboxone and do the bernese method where u microdose suboxone and use dope at the same time till u build up enough suboxone u don't feel the dope anymore but the suboxone takes over u don't feel any withdrawal
With flu you still have dopamine and the brain chemistry is still relatively normal making flu a lot easier than withdrawal. Speaking from experience of both.
I thought opiates replaced dopamine, that's what makes it so hell awful. What is it that opiates take the natural place of?edit- and why can't they come up with an easier way? It's like being punished, hard, surely there could vote up with some sleeper, get up, eat, shower, back to bed. I guess addicts aren't top of list.
You can sleep through the flu. Withdrawal is 2 weeks at least of zero sleep for me then 2 months of 3 hours a night.
It is really incredible the support and love that is given on any comments of a video on opiate withdrawal. We only have one another...who else can really comprehend what it is to be in the crucible of junk sickness? Our families, they suffer a special hell.
I love all of you, we are a family in a very real sense.❤❤
It still baffles me that anyone could relate withdrawals to the flu.. my symptoms share absolutely no similarities to even the worst possible flu. For me it is leg shaking, back crawling, spinal pain, worms in your bloodstream agonizing miserable discomfort. And buprenorphine is a much much harder kick than anything. I'm 12 days away from it and I'm still shaking and unbearably sick.
How long were you on stuff?
I am 8 days off and I jumped off at only 1mg a day, am using kratom and I still haven't slept!!! Toss and turn and sneeze all night!
@@aaronthompson4980 I'm with you Aaron, you've got this I *promise*. I used Kratom to help me off of (15 years of) suboxone as well, and I accidentally got addicted to that because you can physically becomes dependent after not very long. Eventually I had to bare down and sit through some unimaginable torment but after about a solid week of just dealing with that I started to feel results. Unfortunately I started drinking vodka to numb out some of the symptoms which actually did give me some relief but then I kept drinking daily up until about a month and a half ago. You just have to sort of experiment with things, try a DLPA supplement or some Agmatine Sulfate for the nerve pain and discomfort. Eventually it's time to let everything go and feel through the last of it, it's very hard but possible and the light at the end of the tunnel finally comes. You have my word on this, brother- keep going. Kava can also be helpful for relaxation and diminishing anxiety, but it can take time to find the brand and strain that works for you.
If you can get some clonidine or trazadone to help sleep for now, and also use melatonin if you can.
Best of luck to you, you're in my thoughts and you're not alone my friend!
@@kc476 Thank you my friend!:)
@@kc476 my name is Cat and I'm tapering off 8mg, by next week I'll be down to 4 or 2, just depending.. been on 8mg for 3 years, on subutex for 7.... I want to wean down more before I take the jump but my current boyfriend, I just told him after 3 years of being together that I'm on them. He is supportive but things these are like any other opioid.. he is pressuring me to get off fast. He wrote on the calendar to do one day off, one day on, one day off (today) 2 days on.. and lowered my dosage yesterday to 4mg. Idk if it's too fast to do that but what can I do naturally to help?
I remember reading an academic paper (I'm a pharmacologist and keep up with what goes on in my field) noting that opiate withdrawal is just as likely to kill a person as alcohol detox. It's a myth that it isn't fatal and jails just leave addicts there on the floor of their cell to die with no compassion. Disgusting.
10% die from it
my mom stroked out in jail. They left her there on the floor for over 24 hrs with a brain hemorrhage. She never was the same.
It’s absolutely sickening.. everyone always talks about the opiate epidemic… Well maybe they should actually medically assist people in jail going through withdrawals, and put them in rehab. Instead of leaving them on a cold floor with NO blankets, just paper clothes. No wonder people rush back to using when they get out.
@@IChIDH that’s so awful.. I’m sorry to hear that.
@@danadane9287 thanks. Her life was pretty sad, she was a wounded creature from an early age unfortunately and never could find a way past it. I can't hear the song Far Behind from Candlebox without thinking of her.
if every person in the world expd day three of a withdrawl for 1 hr the world would gain all the compassion needed to beat this drug
I've thought the same !! It's impossible to understand or have true compassion without the lived experience ( of fucking hell withdrawals ) 😓
i hope ur winning friend
Ain’t that the truth.
I’m documenting my methadone detox from 160mgs for 20 years. Thank you for this info! 💪✌️❤️
How’s it going
@@brettshamblin3180 it’s going really well! I have some dental issues, but besides that I’m feeling great! How are you doing? Please lmk if you want to talk at all. I’ll be here. 💪💪✌️✌️❤️❤️
160mg for 20 years ?? I've been on it for 5years now and it destroyed me already, I can't make fucking decisions for my life while using this damn thing! I was on 100mg and just today decreased the dose 5 more mg to 20mg now , I'm hoping to be able to go 0mg by Maybe end of fall ! Wish me luck please 🙏
Cut it down by 5 ml a week and you will be fine maybe slightly uncomfortable for a couple days and that's it
@@behshadruby4483 good luck! How are you feeling today? I’m sending healing vibes, love and blessings!💪💪✌️✌️❤️
To anyone with negative comments at least hes talking about short term a detox and at least is thinking about getting the new opiates free receptors , and not just bupe or sub and naltraxone for ages , it takes 3-4 days for short term opiates to leave your system , so hes saying take longer acting subutex for short time whilst getting the 3 days out the way read below about the guy from scotland , wish we had it in the uk ........ but I dont believe naltraxone isnt free of concern - you dont need your opiate receptors blocked for too long ...... because you dont want a addiction to methadone or subutex suboxone for along time or the withdraws will be horrible with the build up of long half life opiates
Kratom helped me with my acute wd symptoms from oxys. I’m 2 weeks clean now, and a week off Kratom. Still lethargic though...
Yea!!!
Stay clean man and NEVER SWITCH TO METHADONE IM 21 and litterally boutta jump ship
Kratom is fuckin worthless. Or your dope is weak. Kratom did absolutely nothing. Except made my dry heaves. Taste like a landscapers fuckin boot. Shits worthless and misleading. Yes I got it from different and recommended vendors. It helps a little but very little. Not enough to give you relief to not use. The key is comfortable detoxification. Neurontin is the secret!!!
@@joeludwig8847 I wasn’t doing dope, I was on oxys. Kratom really helped... but to each their own.
I agree it helps a little. It's saved alot of people. But for me dking a gram a day at least of fetty and or heroin it wasn't enough to keep me comfortable enough to get through it. It did very little for me. But as you say...everyone is different
Why isnt this program offered more within community dr offices for people who want to get off of drugs but so dread the withdrawl symptoms that they just keep using? This is critical for many people!
Let this guy go throught Heroin methadone or any opiate withdrawal and See if he still thinks its likea bade flue I only wish
Lol, let's just ignore the fact addiction literally changes your brain and how is takes months for your opiate receptors to function normal again..which is why there's relapse
I guess you missed the part where he explained what the naltrexone does.
It took my brain months to return to any normal after addiction to opiates, kratom helped me, not everyone can get lofexadine.
Hence, the Naltrexone.
@@As5Hat horrible side effects, kratom is the way to go!
@@carrieangel275 I just took Kratom but I dont want something else to just withdraw off of. How much ground kratom power do you recommend, and which colours? I just took some Green Ma Daeng about 30 min ago.
Methadone is the hardest to come off rapidly
I took gabapentin to go thorugh withdrawal. Makes it EASY, and if you combo it with kratom you actually feel good during withdrawal. I wish this info was more common it took tooons of research to find out about gabapentin for withdrawal. For post acute withdrawal, dopamine supplements help but its still shitty being tired and anxious, good luck folks
i can't see how gabapentin would help....i take this as a mood stabilizer...i heard ppl are using it though...
and add it to kratom..............
well i guess that'll work.......idk,does it???
long time ago they didn't have all that....
i hope it helps ppl...
what is this guy talking about in the video though....
do those things help......................
During withdrawal from what ?
I took hero size doses of kratom for day 2 of methadone withdrawal and it didn't do fuck all.
Later that afternoon I took upwards of 300 mgs of oxymorphone and still, nada.
The only thing that gave me any relief was, you guessed it, more methadone.
@@elizabethecarlisle1045 yep, methadone withdrawal is one drawn out hell, with no breaks of sleep just solid suffering...nothing helps
Take 2400 to 3200 mgs of Johnnie's (gabapentin) throw back a few energy drinks with it and it helps a lot. Currently on day 2 cold turkey. Honestly it's gabapentin, weed and clonodine at night. Fighting the good fight yall
@@617bred7 do dr’s proscribe gabapentin for withdrawal?? How is everyone getting it? I guess you have to know someone who takes it.. I’d love to try using it for w/d
Had a friend who ended up in the hospital with severe dehydration everytime he quit a mild heroin habit. Drs said he was close to death everytime. Interesting stuff...still I'd be terrified if this guy was in charge of my withdrawal plan😬
My girlfriends sister died from a opiate withdrawal induced seizure, while in jail.
Picked up on Friday...dead Monday morning.
Not true about it being easy to stop suboxone . Withdrawal asts way longer , like methadone
yup in my experience I concur. It's less flu-like, more extended anxiety/torment
Agreed. I got off subs about a year ago, jumped off cold turkey at 2mg/day I had been on for about 3 months. It was hell for about 6 weeks. It sucked.
@@AbleAnderson it totally depends on how long you took it. Short term use isn't bad to kick. Long term use 2 plus years, different story. Been on it for 7 years.
Yes anxiety crazy
It’s longer yes, but not like methadone
I've taken opioid pills for years and had 2 knee replacement surgeries in the last 3 months that I should have had done long ago and thats partly why it's been years. A month ago they stopped working and I went through 4 days of hell followed by 20 of semi hell. Now I take 6 weak ones a day, am late aft and b4 bed. I quit drinking yrs ago and pot after HS 30 yrs ago and this is by far the hardest to quit but since it wasnt working anymore and Im 51 not 21 I knew I had to. I will scale down every week to nothing and its still painful but you have to. Hang in there ppl!
i hear ya. i too am 51. i had my left knee replaced at 38! the other knee at 41! pain and i go way back. for years i played the , "well the drs. writing the scripts for me" card. it is a long hard road. i take aspirin every day and i know thats not the greatest thing for your insides(liver, colon, kidneys, etc.) but i have pain. i would love to see of these drs. work construction for many years with titanium knees. at first the pain pills give u a lift. not worth it. id rather take the asperin and take my chances that way.
Thank You!!!
R u free?
Yes, and 4 months from age 54 I'm in the best shape of my life both mentally and physically, and a much better parent to my (2) teenage kids, and a better husband. No one besides my doctor and one good friend even knew I was taking those, and after the second knee I told my wife and my dad, which I mainly did so I'd be accountable for getting off of them. Thanks for asking.
So you don't take anything now?
Can somebody maybe write up the exact plan and publish??
I’m into day 5 now from going cold Turkey off of Bupe. I don’t understand why there was never a plan to get off of bupe from the clinic in the first place. I’ve slept maybe 3 hours the last 5 days, would taking a Xanax or kp bother my detox? I just want to sleep, the RLS and back pain makes it literally impossible. I take a hot shower about every 2 hours. It’s by far the worse thing I’ve ever experienced
i got off back in october using a vitamin and kpin 1mg 3times a day.. try to space them out though because bzo withdrawal is pretty dam bad
How about making a drug that's no-addictive that hits pleasure receptors but has no addiction properties ? They probably already have .
*of course they have,but only the elites have access to that*
@@Messenger4now Found the Q-ie! 🤣
How do I find a dr that knows this?
So here I am 2 months later.... weened completely 1/5/21. It’s 1/26/21.physical symptoms mostly gone except my guts are still wrong, and the lethargic attitude. Didn’t tell my family as they got there own problems. Never falling in that hole again, just wish my energy levels would come back I have so much to do
I used to get immediate relief from suboxone. Now I keep hearing about a 3 day window in between opiates and suboxone. And suboxone takes much longer to relieve my withdrawals. Was it changed over the years?
I'm thinking the dosage has to be high on the bueph
This guy is dead wrong. First of all, if someone is no longer getting benefit from opioids from chronic pain, the firs thing a doctor should do is change them to a different opioid, and NOT buprenorphine. Buprenorphine does nothing for pain for most people, especially those who have been on full agonists. Additionally, buprenorphine withdrawal is just as bad or worse than withdrawal from other opioids. Take it from someone who's experienced it and not some quack who's only regurgitating information they've read. Also, another option is if the patient is on an extremely high dose, i.e. 200+ morphine equivalent dosage, try lowering the dose for a month or two slowly, then jumping the dose back up. I've done this myself with my doctor and felt way better!
I came here for information on lofexidine as i'm curious as to how well it actually works in practice. Has anyone experienced it themselves?? Please reply if so.
Hes talking about how to stop taking opiates completely, not what to do if it stops working for pain.
Subs a lot easier to withdrawals than Methedone.
The opioid blocker medication they give you you have to wait a whole day then the next day take it if you don’t wait you going through instant with draw your body is on fire painful so much pain you wanna just to end so use it wisely when you try to take care of the withdrawal
Where is his treatment center?
I was prescribed opioids for years. I went through horrible withrawals several times. I finally stopped by switching over to loperamide (generic immodium) and tapering down off that very slowly. I didn't have any withdrawal symptoms at all and I never lost one night of sleep.
How many did you take at a time and how often?
@@keelym352 I would prefer not to say, as I'm sure I started off taking way more than I needed to.
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@@heidigone do you still come in here? And did you stay off? I'm tapering on a 2 week plan and I just started
@@CatValles I was prescribed opioids for ten years. I switched over to loperamide hcl 2mg pills. At first I took a lot of them a few times a day. Then I gradually cut it down to 5 pills a day then none at all. The whole process took close to a year. One really good thing about loperamide is that you can take gravol with it to help you sleep. Anyone going through withdrawals knows not to take sleep aids, because the withdrawal symptoms intensify. I still have sleep disturbances sometimes, so I will take loperamide and gravol for those nights, but I don't have any painful withdrawals. I swear, loperamide is a miracle pill for opioid withdrawals. I'm not sure if I answered your question. If not, you can ask me again. Good luck with everything. I know you can do this. 🙂
Hahahaha I love how he just quickly dances around and avoids the fact of precipitated withdraws. Most addicts are unable to wait long enough, atleast on their first try, which is the whole reason we are addicts in the first place, so then we get sick! Real sick!! Precipitated withdraw. And he just leaves it out
I feel terrible on buprenorphine. It stops the physical withdrawal but the mind still races a bit.
Didn’t he say to use the suboxone for 2 days? Then adding other meds?
He did. Seems like he just made up this opioid addiction treatment from he's ass. :D
Buprenorphine is easier to come off of than other opiates? Good luck finding anyone who has been through it to agree with that moronic statement. On a sidenote, this guy could play the role of Lizard Man.
@@Tony-gv5fm Thank goodness it's something that I've never had to use, but there is no shortage of suboxone horror stories out there. In a perfect world a person could do as you described and be done with it, but this isn't a perfect world, and addiction takes more than a crash course of a week's long suboxone regimen. Of course there are some who could do it because they are sick of the life they've been living and want off once and for all. Of course doctors keep people on the drug for a long time....sometimes for years, and there are some patients that doctors have told that they may have to be on it for the rest of their lives, and these doctors never tell the patients who have been using suboxone long term that they're going to be going through h*'ll when they try and come off of it. Whatever the case I feel for these folks who are on it but are scared to come off. Like I said I've never used it personally, but a lot of people have had success getting off of it using Kratom.
@@Tony-gv5fm exactly
This guy sounds like text book nerd, doesn't have a damn clue, also lofexidine has been taken off the market in other countries
@@Tony-gv5fm With all due respect, you're making the assumption that withdrawal is over in 5 days...that is not the case for most addicts. Nor is 7 days or 10 days. Withdrawal, dependent on pysiologly, age, health, DOC, frequency, underlying psychological variables, and length of use, could literally last 30 days for the acute phase and months and in worst cases years of PAWS symptoms. For those with careers, families and responsibilities, taking a time-out for an extended period of time is just not feasible.
I think both have their pros and cons.
SWIM had no prior addictions to drugs. SWIM had a girlfriend that went to a methadone clinic and he would slowly but surely start taking some everyday until she got plenty of take homes then SWIM took it everyday for almost 4 months and was hooked. Years later samr situation with Suboxone. Quitting methadone was the worst thing that person went through until that same person tried kicking suboxone that his girlfriend ended up giving him everday. He told me suboxone has been a mental and physical nightmare and the wd have been going on for very very long.
Is suboxone harder to kick than methadone?
@@backwoodsjunkie08 Methadone is more intense in the beginning but Suboxone has ripped my soul to shreds consistently for weeks and months before. I probably wasn't taking care of myself as I should've been and maybe that's why it was much more intense
Can any doctor prescribe this? How do u go about getting it prescribed and can u start it while doing a taper off of methadone or is that not possible?
is this, like, written-down anywhere? Because I'm having a hard time following it!!
Best method ive ever heard! This guy knows how to use suboxone properly!
I have Arnold chair disease and bone on bone in my back . Nerve pain horrific so I’ve been on opites for 16 years . I wish to god I was educated about them before I ever touched them . I want off of them so bad . I pray to god for all of us 🙏
Ricki Lynn Wolfe I understand about your pain, I've been on oxycodone 11 years for a back injury and knee injury, nerve pain also, someone stole my prescription and my pain specialist will not replace it so I'm about to go through withdrawals I'm afraid, any tips to help me get through this will certainly be appreciated, hope you are faring well, BTW I think I know who stole my prescription but I cannot prove it and I know they will try to fill it at a pharmacy hopefully my pain specialist can dig deep and find out, it takes someone pretty low that knows you and knows your condition yet steals your medication. Best regards.
@@rickiedecuir9909 wow I feel so bad for you Iam so sorry to hear that. Your pain management should be able to cancel that scrip and write you another one . If you can not get them to do it go to the hospital and let them know what happened and that you are in so much pain . I also use kraton tea you can order on the internet . Many people take it for addiction and pain it definately will help you . Buy the white or red tea leaves they work the best and order it as soon as possible ! Iam praying for you my friend I feel really bad for you do remember to go to the hospital and tell them your back hurts so bad you can’t straighten up straight maybe a little Valium will help to
@@rickilynnwolfe8357 I spoke to my pain management nurses desk (Dr was unavailable) and she told me they do not replace lost or stolen prescriptions, I happen to have an appointment with pain management in a few days, I am hoping I can get him to date the prescription to where I can feel it right away, normally I would fill the script that I lost tomorrow and when I see him Monday I would leave there with two prescriptions one to be filled a month from Monday, and the other one in August, the DEA has their nose stuck in these pain management doctors business since people really abused and some overdose on their pain meds, so the good has to suffer for the bad and I never abused my medication because I need it, I also just beat throat cancer about a month ago and I still have pain from the radiation treatments so I guess it's a double whammy, I could buy something on the street but they're like eight or 10 bucks a pill and I refuse to pay that, yes I had to go to the ER a few months ago as the pain from the cancer was very severe got a shot of Dilaudid which really helped, hopefully I can get the ER doctor to write me something for pain but again my pain specialist will see this eventually and question me it's kind of like damned if I do and damned if I don't, I've heard of kratom does it really work? I'm 69 years old and the only thing I take is oxycodone the doctors always look at me kind of funny cuz most people my age are on a list of medicine, I guess it's good genes my parents and grandparents all lived into that late 80s an early 90s, I appreciate you getting back to me and I certainly appreciate your prayers, thank you my friend and you take care, btw I looked at your RUclips page is that your Nova SS, I love old cars and trucks I had a 70 Chevy C10 but sold it a few years ago, again thanks for your info I really appreciate it, take care of yourself. 😊
@@rickilynnwolfe8357 good morning to you too, I feel okay thank you, we will see how things work out Monday with the pain specialist, not so sure about weaning myself off of the perks as I have chronic nor back pain if I just bend over slightly I feel it, I'm going to talk to the nurse practitioner I tried to explain about withdrawals even though I've never been through it, I may be on this medication for the rest of my life, I really need it like on days when I cut my grass and do my yard work, I live in south Louisiana and have about a good acre to cut, I appreciate you getting back to me and I hope you have a great day, yes I could kick myself for selling my truck LOL.
@@rickiedecuir9909 god bless you my friend I truely am praying for you and I hope the cops get the jerk who stole your meds . Iam a true believer in carma also and what goes around comes around God will punish them. Please let me know how you are holding up tomorrow Iam so proud of you you are doing so well 🙏
Please help me do this….I beg you to tell me where to go
So much about coming of Opiate pills , Suboxone but what happen to the real pain in L4 L5 and Hip ,they don't disappeared over night .
"mild withdrawal" Virgins gotta love them they have no idea what it's like but think they are experts.
Lofexadine is basically the same as Clonidine without the blood pressure lowering part! They have been giving Clonidine in rehab for years.
Ok.. thank you for the information..I was wondering WTF it was...yeah..clonidine and Klonopin
The last time I was in rehab, the detox side, I was there 14 days and never had much if any withdrawals. Every night at bedtime they gave out meds but didn't tell you what it was. What I'm saying is that there is something that prevents opiod withdrawals and it should be sold at every drug store in America.
Coming off of subs is so hard I been on them for 6 years I managed to stop for a week but found my stash and started back up wish I never would have! I’m on my last pill and I’ve been trying to ween myself off mind you I can make a Pill last 2 weeks prob!! Never abused it just started taking pills due to pains from my car accidents to make it through the work day! 1 turned to 2 to 3 a day my tolerance was getting higher and someone introduced me to subs u mean I can take just a little piece and be good all day !!! Now it’s been 6 years And trying to stop again and feel like shit!!!! Hot and cold sweats shakes!!! Can’t sleep don’t wanna eat body aches so bad just want to lay here n die!!!!!! I hate it I can’t wait to get past this and anyone going through it or has gone through it hats off your a tough individual!!!!! This shit is hard!!!! mind you it’s just Jesus an I !!!! And my 2 cats! Maybe it’s better this way 🤷🏻♂️
Update it’s been 3 weeks!!!!! Thank God!!! No turning back now!!!!
@@johnd4617 hows it going for you now?
This Lucemyra stuff costs like $1400 for a week’s supply. Clonidine costs fifty cents, and it’s basically the same medication.
Bad case of the flu yeah right it's hell
This guy is fast, accurate, and on point lmao
He's just great. 😐
@@KristineMarieTxSPI haha definitely sarcasm. :-p
So do they stay on the last one and take it every month? I want to be off everything completely. Why cant they make hospitals yo help hive medications and just help us with the withdraws and ve done with it?
Sounds like a recipe for precipitated wd.
I almost killed myself, & almost ended up in a mental hospital from precipitated wd
@@JaneCooper190072 I'm glad you're ok. I don't suggest that anybody experience that.
@@JaneCooper190072 same!
Yeah, i was gonna say that. Glad im not the only one. A lot of these doctors seem to think they understand how withdrawal truly works, but as an addict myself, i can say they really dont. Not all of them, some are spot on. But most are waaaay off. Thats the pattern i noticed anyway.
Dip Dop to be honest i think thats what made me get off i knew it sucks to go thru withdrawls earlier then expected but when u go into pw it makes tou puke all that bile and sweat it all out basically detoxing your body from opiates i went 2 days puking by the 3rd day i drank bunch of nyquil and was out for a day woke up feeling alright smoked alot of weed and stopped thinking about it gotta get up and get active you stay on your ass you just gonna think about getting high
For anyone here trying to quit, just wanted to let you guys know for what its worth, I went to my doctor and was totally honest with him and he gave me 14 days worth of clonidine and gabapentine. The clonidine completely took away the restless legs which was the absolute worst part of withdrawal for me by far. And gaba helped body aches. I was also able to sleep on the clonidine.. got 22 days now still have trouble with sleep time to time now but I feel good physically and don’t have to take medication anymore.. just a thought might not help anyone and most of you prob already heard of clonidine but thought I’d mention it. And bupenephrine withdrawal is worse than typical opiates btw
My doc prescribed me Clondine as well I been scared to take it doctor also prescribed bup/nal I've been taking that for 6 days I have completely stopped hydrocodone and now only taking bup/nal but now after reading all of this I see I'm gonna have withdrawal symptoms trying to get off bup/nal I'm thinking I should stop that as well and just use the clondine for the withdrawals the worst symptom for me is the goosebumps cold/hot flashes everything else I can tolerate the only reason I relapse is because of the goosebumps and the cold/hot flashes so my question for you is does the clondine take that symptom away as well???
Did the clonidine help overall? Was prescribed that to help withdrawal from Percocet.
How much clonidine did you take when you felt bad? I was taking 4 mg of subs for the last 4 years. I was prescribed clonidine .01 mg to take once a day. Right now it’s been 4 days and my withdrawal symptoms are at its worst right now so I’m just scared to take too much clonidine. Do you think taking 3mgs can be bad if not more?
@@stacyashford2677 did you get better?
Clonidine helps a lot but you definitely need to change your surroundings
Where can I find a specialist for this in Los Angeles !?!? Help please
pretty much what I've been doing myself at home every time i kick never used lofexidine thought. I take the buofs with nacan, it takes about a week to feel strong again but then I'm stuck on 4mg of suboxone. and then I get bored and start getting high again. to bad i didn't have a purpose in life, if I had something to do I'd stand a much better shot of staying clean.
I disagree that withdrawal cannot kill. I tried cold turkey from 80 mg targin. My heart almost failed. Had to get an ambulance. Started ketamine infusion 30mg, diazepam and clonidine
Doctors are not talking about withdrawal resembling the flu from the perspective of the patient, it's how they see us squirming around unable to sit still and in their office interrupting their day. We should get ourselves some thoughtful t-shirts, "The hounds of College scratch nigh. Shall I salt your door?
I've been on opioids for 10 years. I developed CRPS in both legs after a spinal injury. My biggest issue has been tolerance- and the answer is NOT the painkiller this man mentions.
Blocking opioid receptors CAUSES A PERSON TO HAVE NO PAIN RELIEF. Not even the natural opioids that we produce can bind to those receptors.
This may work for addicts, but for chronic pain patients with intractable pain, this is outright medical malpractice.
Infuriating.
Is this a thing poeple can do is there a program omg I need ro get of this shot been 3 years I lost my family my little boys I was q mees and themom left me qnd I still love her I have no friends and everyday I hate my self d not change I need help
Suboxone withdrawals or 100 times worse than any short acting painkiller don’t let this dude lie to you
Amen!! Bupe is 100x worse to come of than oxys or heroin!!
Maybe withdrawal won’t kill you but depression can.
Thanks Thomas! I really dislike opiate withdrawals.
If α2A agonists can reduce the withdrawal but not eliminate it, wouldn't it make sense to combine it with pregabalin or gabapentin, as pregabalin can eliminate even very hard withdrawals for a few days until tolerance rises to high.
I’m so ready to change!! Don’t y’all want y’all’s life back? I know I do . I’m 38 now and was introduced to opioids at 20 due to migraines that I still live with. I thought it was the best thing that ever happened to me liquid hydrocodone. But I had my fun and I’m done I don’t want it ID rather enjoy life the way it was intended. Find a good life partner and live this thing out the best way possible. God help me get there that’s all I ask. I love y’all please get better. We don’t need this find a way out please. Gn
I really need to get off methadone. I can't exercise full freedom. Can't leave my state forever can't get certain jobs and can't do certain things
But I have so much hope. I'm so thankful for my mind and at the same time I wouldnt change my life choices for anything, the lessons I have learned and the quality of human I am now, opioid addiction, with the right human being, can humble you. I never was your average addict, always had a job and just never fully descended into degeneracy.
Humm so that rumor about they want to promote soboxone was true ?
Been on methadone for 19 years ,and im sick of being dependent where can you go to get this treatment
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HAS Anyone actually used this method for detox? How was it? In comparison to say, a normal 5 day suboxone taper that most detox centers will do? I’m super curious ….
Sounds like an interesting solution except one question why are you going to put them on benzodiazepines Benzos can create worse withdrawal than heroin how do you solve benzodiazepine withdrawal?!!?
Im coming off Suboxone. I started using subs as recreational use ( awful mistake). My doctors game me clonidine and it’s fantastic for the awful jitters, heat waves and sweating but the muscle weakness is driving me nuts.
I would love to hear of a single person that this has worked for, also pay close attention to the message that slashed for 2 seconds at the very end of this clip, this guy works for the pharmaceutical company that manufactures this drug he’s touting..
I wonder how much something would cost for an uninsured American like myself? I’m trying to get off of subutex. I need help and don’t know where to turn 😔
I don't know if I would be okay with taking 5mg of naltrexone on day 3 of opiate withdrawal. That's asking for trouble. Maybe 0.5mg max. After 7 days your clear to take it. Naltrexone is amazing stuff for recovery but not that early on
Buprenorphine withdrawals are indeed less severe then a full opiate, but it lasts much longer.
What if someone is on long term MaT with bup. Would this treatment work?
I’m on methadone and I would like to know this as well. He kind of says it really in like it’s so easy and everybody can do it type of thing but he really doesn’t know what withdrawals like. So basically he’s full of poop when he comes to that.
Not available in Canada by the looks of it.
This is exactly why every methadone clinic on the planet has case load numbers in the thousands there are 32000 ppl in my town and damn near 6000 cases now and only 35 cases who have been able to complete the program. If that doesn't tell you your information is inaccurate.
Suboxone Withdrawal symptoms are “half” of regular opiates....I don’t think so my guy to me they are much much worse...... don’t get me wrong I am thankful that there was something I could take to help me get off the streets and from buying illegal drugs but Suboxone has been a nightmare to get off of it’s taken me years thankfully I’m almost done I’m down to 1mg a day now please pray for me
im too on 1mg a day now for 2months and it seems to me like im on 16mg dont feel big change im feeling like crap
Is it true that bupenorphine withdrawal is half as bad?
FUCK NO. It’s 100 times worse. I am not exaggerating
I'm a methadone/ heroin addict it's all sick symptoms all in one my worst is restless legs I pray and ask God let me sleep one hour a night I wouldn't wish this on no one 45 days sober keep ur head up when you tired ur tired don't force no one to rehab they know when there ready
Could you use lofex while tapering off methadone. What tapering regimen would you use and what milligram of both would you start?
the only thing that will help you off of methadone which i was on for 15 yrs is getting on suboxone PERIOD
@@actors504. I've tried it. After two days I literally could not get out of bed, and I was on a vacation and highly motivated to get up.
@@actors504 and getting off suboxone, how to do it
Why don’t all treatment centers follow those standards. I am withdrawing off of methadone and I basically have to do it cold turkey and I’m terrified!!!
I tapered from 150 down to 14mg then went cold turkey. Was uncomfortable but VERY tolerable. I was able to eat (healthy food crazy important) and drink water as if its going to fix you, it helps. The Slow taper is important
When did Louie become a doctor?
Unfortunately this didn’t work for me. I went to a pain management doctor who prescribed me this (brand name lucemyra) and clonidine with it. I was basically catatonic the first 4 days and then it was hell. Then I relapsed and still got vivetrol shot at end of the 2 weeks. And I went into psychosis it felt worse than puberty and the restlessness was crazy. I almost killed myself . Then I ended up smoking meth to feel anything and ended up in the psych ward
If it was as simple as this guy makes out he would be in the Guinness book of records could he comment and explain if it was this simple why so many people get stuck on methadone and Suboxone for years sometimes a life time and what the relapse percentage is in his theory please
I need help I cnt take it. I might send my self to the afterlife
I can tell you what really helped me. 6 grams (6000 mg) of buffered vitamin c (ascorbates) every 6 hours. Plus some potassium, magnesium and a b complex.
No medications at all!.
Withdrawal symptoms disssapeared in 1-2 days
Is there any benefit to using lofexidine vs clonidine? Also, I can only speak for myself of course but for me clonidine never really seemed to help much for opioid w/d.
What was your drug of choice? Been on heroin for more than 5yrs now, my plan is to use subs to ride out the withdrawals and try n stay clean.
hydromorphone@@limayaden8458
How much does all of this cost? Holy shit.
I'm going to take liquid methadone after doing H for years. Can I just take the liquid for a few days while the H works it way out? Then stop the liquid or will I have the same withdrawals as if I quit H?
No...all you will do is substitute one for the other and as soon as the methadone wears off your going to get just as sick as you would've otherwise but it will take longer for all the methadone to leave your system dragging the withdrawal on longer than it would've otherwise.
@@jgaines3200 thank you very much. I have Suboxone now and will be starting this weekend. I appreciate your response