The agony of opioid withdrawal - and what doctors should tell patients about it | Travis Rieder
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- Опубликовано: 19 июл 2018
- The United States accounts for five percent of the world's population but consumes almost 70 percent of the total global opioid supply, creating an epidemic that has resulted in tens of thousands of deaths each year. How did we get here, and what can we do about it? In this personal talk, Travis Rieder recounts the painful, often-hidden struggle of opioid withdrawal and reveals how doctors who are quick to prescribe (and overprescribe) opioids aren't equipped with the tools to eventually get people off the meds.
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The sad thing is he could have gotten better advice from an addict
Lyndel Turner true and sad
I'd argue that the truly sad thing is that we think of medical practitioners as more expert than those who've experienced something first hand. I was addicted to opiates 15 years, both prescribed and illicit sources. I now work in AOD (Alcohol & Other Drugs) as a professional harm minimisation worker after many years free of addicition.
he should have tried kratom, it saved my life
100%. I have seen time and time again even the most junkie, homeless, piece of crap knows more medicinally and biologically about the drugs, then any doctor. It really is true. It’s crazy, but true. Also, I’m sorry, but you can be a good drug counselor if you’ve never been through Dixon… But not really. The best counselors, have been there. You just cannot relate properly, and less you have been there. It is the truth. I’m not trying to not other counselors who have not been there, but it is what it is
100%. I have seen time and time again even the most junkie, homeless, piece of crap knows more medicinally and biologically about drugs, than any doctor. It really is true. I honestly can’t believe the ignorant and unaware things I have heard even people that I love, are supposed to know about addiction, or say stupid things. It’s crazy, but true.
Also, I’m sorry, but you can be a decent drug counselor if you’ve never been through addiction. But not really. The best counselors, have been there. You just cannot relate properly, unless you have been there. It is the truth. I’m not trying to knock other counselors who have not been there, but it is what it is.
I am a fully recovered heroin addict. I was strung out from September 2009 to May 2012. I know addiction. It is possible to get clean. Anybody can talk to me if they want to have somebody to talk to. You’re more than welcome to comment back. I care and I want to help others. I slayed ⚔️ the 🐉 🗡 dragon. And now I have the armor to help others do the same.
Doctors aren't going to tell you about Kratom but it can be a life saver for so many people
speaking from experience, withdrawals don’t make you crave the drug again, they literally make you need them to destroy the pain.
EXACTLY
You are totally right
Nicely said...
Please look into kratom, it really made a difference in my pain tolerance I wish you the very best
I'm 4 days off methadone it's like a myth that once I could wake up without pain
I managed to get myself off opioids (I was on it for 17 years) by going cold turkey, cravings, insomnia, restless legs were the worst, I spent most of the time in and out off the shower, curled up silently crying, I didnt tell my husband, children or extened family members because I was ashame to admit I had an addiction, I went through this hard journey alone, I was literally bought to my knees and prayed through the withdrawals process, I took comfort in watching others share their journey on RUclips, I dont know its kinda hard to explain, but it felt good to know I wasnt alone, opioid does not discriminate it affects everyone who over uses it! Once you make the decision to say enough is enough you can and will get through, if i can do it you can to!
I'm still using them daily but iv got down to just a few per day..
I managed to last 9 weeks without any at all..
The not sleeping was the absolute worst ever..
Iv not had the courage to try again as I'm not very good mentally at the moment..
Getting thrown challenges a lot recently and I use them to lock myself in and carry on etc.
Life sucks 😢
Im sorry you had to go through this alone. I hope you are doing well.
@@danb2936try to be as safe as possible. When you are ready you can very slowly taper. Ive done it. I never could have done it otherwise. It was still hard but doable. Things change, things can be better. Take care.
Praise God you made it through this!!! You have purpose for your journey. I needed to read this tonight for a family member. Here trying to learn from someone who has gone through this. I don’t know if he will ever get off oxy etc due to his age and amount of time on them. All he does is sleep and talk slurred trying to escape his pain. 😫😫
@@Poppieparty smart recovery is the way to go. Its non religious. Based on psychology and cognitive behavior therapy. They have online meetings. A workbook for the person wanting to get healthy, and one for family and friends. Its very helpful. Fb has support groups as well. Also, going cold turkey can work but most doctors recommend doing it via rehab so they help you thru the physical symptoms. An alternative is slow tapering. For example if you take 8 pills a day reduce to 7 for 2 weeks. Then 6 a day 2 weeks and so on. It reduces the physical issues and your body adjusts to the lower amounts. Wanting to be healthier but still have pain control is a hard balance. But its doable.
I have been on suboxone for 3 years after a 2 year morphine addiction...I have just successfully weaned myself off suboxone, and today marks one week suboxone free. This is a massive day of victory for me. It can be done. Dont be afraid.💗
I’m at 2 mg of suboxone a day how long do you think till I can stop it
@@codys4552 hey dude, how did it go?
I’m prescribed 16mg a day. I tried quitting cold turkey on Sunday…did good up til bout 5 minutes ago!
@@kwaunc don't give up, just start over right away!
@@nhdoom8368 I'm curious as well, I wouldn't be surprised if he's still on it Suboxone is pure evil I've been on it for so long and I keep telling myself that going to set aside some vacation time to hop off but each year I keep putting it off
He vastly undersold it. It's not jitters, it's crippling anxiety!
Gabapentin destroys that anxiety part by about 80% when you take around 1,000mgs. I have personal experience, and when combined with weed and benzodiazepines you are home-free.
y then when u stop using benzos u have double more anxiety
But he wasn't on much of dose..and he wasn't on it for very long. So he wouldn't know the difference.
More like black despair
The jitters he was experiencing was probably restless leg syndrome along with other body cramps if it was part of what was keeping him awake. Of course he was also experiencing anxiety, i do not doubt that at all
60 days sober here!! Woo wooo! Feeling great , almost normal!
Takes about a year to feel half normal.
How are you feeling now , dude I got crazy insomnia , it’s been two weeks since I got weed
so proud of you!
Maybe for you "Jimbo" . Feeling pretty normal now brotha!
How do you deal with the withdrawal of Xanax? There has to be something to help with withdrawals! Please don't say marijuana
I'm a 30yr oxycodone user due to a failed surgery and I can tell you that it isn't the pain that keeps me on the medication, nor is it any kind of psychological addiction causing cravings, but rather it is the absolute FEAR of withdrawal. If we put aside the population that takes these drugs to get "high" and concentrate solely on pain patients, I'd bet that 75% of us would stop tomorrow despite the pain and that is because we're held here by FEAR OF WITHDRAWAL. That was a good talk. Thanks for sharing.
I agree.
Start to reduce by very small increments. Since you're not trying just go down by 5% every week or 2 weeks. Maybe 2 if it's that scary for you. But that's your options. Pain or a little less pain. 🤷
Fear of withdrawal is fear of not getting high as well I have legit pain but it doesn’t mean I don’t want the high to
Nice to hear a honest opinion
@@bluestrings8829nice to hear a honest person
As a former Fentanyl and heroin addict I can deeply appreciate his turmoil and what he went through and how he overcame. Opioids are a very scary demonic drug.
They are...I'm on the 3d day now 😟
@@marier7336 That is fantastic. It's going to be the absolute most mentally and physically painful thing you have ever dealt with guaranteed. But the result is so rewarding if you stick it out cuz the withdrawal will go away. If it gets too much for you to deal with there's nothing wrong with getting on Suboxone. You could do this I have faith in you. Best of luck. Contact me anytime if you need any help. -Dorian
Crap
@@Dball10-4 omg... seriously
I’ve been smoking 20 fake Oxys (fentanyl) a day for the last year I’ve been trying to stop for the last two weeks. Today will be my first day without any. I’m trying to just get back to my regular Percocet dosage of 10/325 Q6 (4 times a day). I already know that’s already hard enough to get off of. The problem is when you take opiates you build such a tolerance that they are just maintaining you from withdrawal.
Chronic pain patients should not be punished.
Casey Koplin I know I'm being screwed by the new restrictions.
Exactly.
I have never had physical withdrawals despite being on an opioid for chronic pain for several years. Some have the gene for addiction and some don’t....we shouldn’t all be punished for having chronic pain and needing a narcotic. I am now stuck going days without relief bc my dr won’t change or increase my meds to better manage my pain.
“Chronic pain patients” need to learn to live with it without hardcore pain meds.
Karl Whalls Really? Then you've never been in severe constant pain, until you have an I pray it never happens to you. It's certainly not for the faint of heart.
Now imagine gojng through this with no financial security or support socially. Lucky man this guy
AfghanApothecary yes exactly i would have loved a wife to go to battle for me.
I was shooting up a 1/4 oz a day I lucky got on Suboxone I dropped my dose in half and have been using it for 10 months. But I have a full-time job I have been working and a Gf and it's been great I would have died or lost my legs from not stopping dope. I was literally shooting in my femoral bc I lost all my veins from shooting. It sucks but better than dead.
💯
Support is extremely important. Also remember to support the support.
@@informitas0117 so true
Just got 5 years clean! It's great being treated like a trustworthy person again! I never thought I'd ever see 30 days! Did it one day at a time!
Best wishes❤️
@@LaggardInLove thanks
Hope you are still working it - 9 years July 4th
Well done, but why should you have to be clean to be trustworthy? I've been on opiates for 12 years and I believe they make me a better more empathetic, person. I have a diagnosis of Asperger's, and have found the opiates the only way of coping with the severe social isolation and rejection I get when I don't use. It may seem sad, but humans have and will always take drugs, legal or not. I (abused) alcohol before discovering opiates and that turned me into a monster. I don't see any reason why you can't be an addict and a decent member of society, provided you have access to a clean, stable supply...
congratulations & good luck on your journey
I am seriously feeling so bad right now. I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy. It's only been a little over 24 hours since I've had an opioid. I've been awake all night. I can't sleep yet I'm exhausted. I feel like I'm freezing but I'm pouring sweat while I have chills.
How are you now?
Yeah how are you doing? I’m on day 8 clean
@@darthlouis3418 How long did it take you to feel better? Day 4 or 5?
@@darthlouis3418 was it better by day 8?
Going through it same thing .
during my opioid withdrawal i felt despair deeper than i ever thought imaginable. it was horrendous. undoubtedly the worst experience of my life.
Deeter how does the mental pain compare to say losing a loved one? Is it worse?
JGKski360 good question...it’s subjective and i’m grateful to be in a position where i have not experienced much loss in my life, when i did that person had lived a long life and was no longer suffering so it was easier to accept than abruptly losing say, a parent or sibling. what was terrible about opioid withdrawal was it made me more sensitive, i would cry for long periods without stopping over things that normally would not affect me so deeply. i sometimes was very confused as to why i was so upset so not having a clear reason for my despair was very jarring. overall it made me experience the world very differently than when i was clean so i can’t really compare it to a personal loss.
Yes despair and the worst form of mental anguish there is. Torture for no good reason. Withdrawl is why I have chosen methadone. But it has even worse withdrawl symptoms. That's why "they" like it. You become a self admitting enemy of.the STATE.
I felt this comment so hard. It’s so painful and I did a rapid detox which made me feel it immediately. I didn’t ever think it would stop. I feel you 100%.
Pandora's Box please give me tips. I need advice. Please.
I have gone through methodone withdrawal. I was an addict that turned to injecting heroin for almost 10 years. Then found “methodone maintenance” for many years until I became homeless and broke and had to kick it. Whoa. Hallucinations, urination, hot and freezing, a crushing vulnerability, heebie jeebies, pins and needles, fear of everyone and everything. Restlessness, hyper-sensitivity, and sleeplessness. A wanting to jump out of one’s own skin. And it lasts and lasts. Then one day it ends. That was in 2005. I’m better, now. I won’t ever forget it.
Thank you for your story, very inspiring that you made it off the drugs
methadone stays in your body longer like a month. i had to get off of it too. its not a good drug to throw someone on from other opiates thinking it is a cure.
Way to go dude
❤
U scaring me im on it now dreading d D day
My heart goes out to this man and all opioid addicts. My brother fractured his shin, and the doctor (who is not his primary) prescribed him a painkiller (opioids). Thank God, his pharmacist asked him if the over the counter medication he was taking, for the pain, was working. He responded, yes. She then advised him NOT to fill the prescription because it was highly addictive. So, he didn’t. I thank God everyday for that wise pharmacist. She saved my brother from a deadly addiction.
i started crying when you said you made it out. because you described everything im feeling. and hearing that gives me hope.
It is very hard, ice quit suboxone before cold turkey and it's so hard to quit. I dont know if you believe in God or not but praying while suffering really helped me. I've always heard that God hears people the most when they are suffering and getting off evil meds of any kind is likely the most hardest thing actually on earth to do. I pray that you're doing ok with it cause I've been there.
I wish you all the best!! You got this!!!
So tired of hearing about how similar it is to the flu. There are some similar symptoms, particularly chills, sweating, nausea/diarrhea. However, the flu doesn't cause an otherworldly, painful sensation of restless legs. But not just like you're feeling antsy, but like there are electric bugs crawling inside your soul. It's a horrid sensation. And in my opinion, the worst ailment of the withdrawal experience. It's also primarily unavoidable, save with the help of hot tubs, benzos, and sleeping pills. The flu also doesn't give you varying levels of psychosis, nor anguishing depression, insomnia, anxiety, etc. It's genuine torture, not a virus...
Completely agree, it gives the false impression that it's just discomfort. In actuality, it's a unique pain that is often surprising, due to both intensity and even location. Never have my bones hurt quite like that before.
Makes you feel like chopping your legs off would be less painful than enduring another minute. Your right very different please anyone reading this don't do opiates unless absolutely necessary
Truth.
Another thing the flu doesn't cause is intense clinical depression and acute drops in seratonin and dopamine. Couple that with "the flu" and you have something that is very much NOT like the flu at all.
I totally agree.
Chronic pain sufferers are being thrown under the bus. I now know 3 people who have committed suicide unable to afford/obtain pain relief. That's obscene.
Depends a lot on what country you're in. It's bad in Australia but some places better, some worse.
Yeah they getting strict!!! Use to be able to get like 240 per month now there limiting folks to no more than 120-180 depending on the doctor, yeah there's some that abuse it but at the same time there's several that rely on it for a somewhat normal life
*Sigh* I can't get out of bed without pain control. Then I go to family gatherings and get lectured about what a druggie I am and how I could easily handle my multiple diseases. Well, I did in fact get off the pain meds. MANY times. After 3mo of patiently trying to make it with the pain, I created for myself a nice record of 3 nearly successful suicides all in a row. Pain does things to you. Looking back, I'd rather take a pain pill that may end my life earlier than expected than to lose my will to live and mind over pain I can no longer stand right now. (My pain is constant and chronic. There is no cure or treatment to lessen it. If there were, wouldn't you think everyone that needs pain relief would go for the permanent fix instead of a 6hr band aid?)
M P
I told my Dr that this would happen and she said suicide has gone up quite a bit for chronic pain sufferers that can’t have their pain controlled because of the new regulations. Also there are pain patients turning to street drugs and overdosing and dying because of chronic pain deglect.
M P I wrote this.. Not sure why it says M P DID ?
Sleep IS impossible when you're detoxing from opioids.
Absolutely true....
It’s the worst!!
Sad, but true
Worst part about it for sure. You can take as many sleeping pills as you want but that won't stop your legs kicking
@@lilnutty6821 opiate withdrawal RLS is impossible to describe to anyone who never experienced it
I keep this video because I’m still trying to get off of morphine that I have for back surgery which was a year ago. I’m now taking half of what I had. Been cutting down since October 22. But it’s very hard. Depressing and painful. I’m often tempted to take more but I resist. I’ve come back to rewatch this talk because it really helps me and I thank the person that has given this talk.
Keep going. You can do it. I’m trying to taper off Suboxone now. So I know how you feel.
@@StayAtHomeMeme thankyou. It very very hard isn’t it. I’m a grandma in withdrawal. It can happen to anyone
Are you also seeing a therapist ❤
@@saraiday1646 who me? No just my gp
@Pamela Magre; I also have came back and rewatched this a few times. Although many of the withdrawal symptoms are relatively the same for everyone that goes through detoxing, everyone has their own personal battle with it. It is more severe in some people than others. I can relate to his story, his experience with withdrawal as it sounds like my experience has been almost identical to his. I believe it helps us to be able to relate to and understand someone that has walked a similar path as we have, especially to see them doing well. It gives us more courage to face each day because we all truly do take it one day at a time. Much love and blessings sent your way; it's a daily struggle for each of us for sure.
At least he had a loving spouse and didnt have to work during his withdrawals
Dude working while withdrawing is the worst
try being on a long flight in withdrawal. LA to London, absolutely nowhere to go, nobody to turn to
@@whitexicano2597 have you been there? 😨😨
@@poseiden6655 what I said speaks for itself bud, don't want to admit to it because of the stigma in our society. love your channel name btw
@@whitexicano2597 aight, and thankyou so much 🙂
Now imagine that occurring to someone who cannot afford to stay home and has full time employment. No where in this sad story does anyone speak about having to work, while going through this devastating time. Doctors need to be held accountable for ruining people’s’ lives!!!!!!!!!!!! Many blessings to you and thank you for your story!!
A. Rivera what I said on another comment I hate methadone so sick of it I’m not a addict anymore just dependent on methadone I work full time at Costco have a townhouse a son and now working am behind on all bills I take adderall and welbutrin from doctor that’s only hope is to taper off and use the adderall and welbutrin to counter horrible withdrawals
his doctor didn’t know how to properly taper him off of the medication he was taking for a legitimate reason.
That was the problem.
Had it been done correctly there would’ve been little or no withdrawal at all.
Big pharma is not teaching doctors how to properly manage these things and unless the doctor was some corrupt a**hole, making money from this I don’t believe they understand the dangers involved,
or they do, but the DEA is threatening them, which happens to both doctors and pharmacists.
I had major surgery in 2010, when panic had already set in ( but it wasn’t as crazy as it is now )
I was put on an IV of Ibuprofen after a hysterectomy. Ibuprofen.
Not only not being able to work but not being able to take care of your children not being able to take care of anything not even yourself an opiate addiction is so high right now and it is not by accident and is by Design thank our politicians for bringing it into the country
M.A.G.A Calipatriot707 God bless you on your journey and may you accomplish your goals!!!! Stay strong and never give up!
pancakewaitress you know, I had surgery, myself, and complications after which landed me in the hospital, in and out, for about 1 month taking morphine. When it was time to move on, I began withdrawing and called my doctor. She’s the one who told me about what I was going through and advised me to “take Benadryl” and hung up. She offered no help and would not refer me anywhere. That carelessness changed my entire life.
For anyone watching here, there is a vital piece that this gentleman didn’t mention. He was also on gabapentin which he cut down over 4 weeks too. That amplified his symptoms way more. Please don’t let this deter you. I have just come off them after weaning off. I never thought I could do it but I managed it in a way where I could. If anyone needs any help or guidance, reach out! I promise, promise promise you, no matter how hard it is, it can be done. And you will feel good again. You will eventually be ok. Your brain wants you to think you won’t but you will. Our bodies are amazing things.
Reach out? To u or just in general??
Erick Arturo You can reach out to me if you need any advice. Totally up to you.
Thanks I appreciate that.. I will be brief.. I'm on day 5 off heroine obviously very anxious body aches nausea.. But I also consume ice and take alprazolam 2mg daily.. Now as I write this just finished the last of the meth I had.. And want to get advice as far as how to go about the next steps of quitting it all..
Been consuming Heroine inhaled, shot up, monkey water and all. and meth as well both on and off for past 8 yrs..
What caught my attention was that u mentioned about the mind/brain and the body..
So now I have to fight it all at once.. But idk how to go about it and be successful or 'normal ' but my brain is idk where anymore to be honest and my body feels drained.. To where we fall back on the dependence part again.. Makes sense right
I was on 800 mg morphine/day for 2 years. When it was time to come of, my anaesthesiologist told me to take six months to taper it to zero. She specified that I could do it quicker, but there was no benefit to it and no reason to suffer through it. I was totally off it in 26 weeks following her schedule. I found a few difficult points, but no major issues. It has only been after hearing stories like this, I found her guidance was instrumental to my ease with this process.
Jack Clayton, it's a pleasure to meet you, My name is Christopher.
600mg MS Contin
120mg Oxycodone
For 10+ years
3 back surgeries, sharks to teeth Stenosis, Severe Arthritis, direct contact on my spinal cord @ T 1&2. (Need surgery, can't do it)
I'm now at 260 mg MS Contin
90 mg Oxycodone.
The pain management clinic I have gone to for 12 years has "changed hands"
They want me at 120 mg MME.
I'm barely able to Function.
They are doing 10-20% reduction, every 30 days, with occasional 60 day between cuts. I was taking Kratom, But the clinic said it was illegal, even though I can buy it retail 1/2 mile from my house.
(Against their policy)
I'm also 64 years old.
I wanted to say hello, your situation is the most similar to mine I have seen.
Thanks, take care. Christopher
Christopher Sleight I would say the big difference in our situations is that surgery corrected my issues and removed the pain. I can’t imagine trying to function with the pain while reducing the narcotics. I hope for the best for you.
Because u didn’t cold turkey lol.that must been so easy
@@Dumperr414 I agree, as I do not understand how people can go cold turkey. It’s a horrible experience you just want to end.
@@JackClayton123 nbs
Im crying coz im going thru this right now. And nobody will understand us ever! Im crying coz strories like yours give me some hope that i will survive it and feel better someday.
Im here. Again.
lunaticatiga-I'm guessing you feel better now? My prayers are with you.🤝🙏🕊🇨🇦
I know this 5 months after the fact but I hope you are doing better now. Hope you have kicked the habit. If not prayers for you. I'm on tianeptine and need to quiet it. It's an opioid like drug and gives you the same type of feeling also with the same withdrawls if not worse they say anyway. This isn't my first battle. Honestly I dont know if I'm for it. I struggle with wanting to live anyway. And I have become faithless in god or any religion. Maybe I shouldn't be but it's honestly how I feel. I'm sorry I'm rambling. Anyway I hope your doing better.
I got misty eyed as well. I’m on opiates for organ failure. I feel you. How are you now?
lunaticatiga I hope you doing better 👌🏽
I can promise, if anyone ever feels like they're being dramatic, you aren't. I cannot explain how real this is. Stay strong yall if you're watching this for the same reason I am
3 weeks later, did you make it out? No judgements.
@@DB-mn9ey Hey! Yes I did! Getting off the meds from the surgery I had over the summer was no joke, took at least a week of harsh withdrawals. My advice to anyone is to stay hydrated, make sure you take care of yourself as a human (i.e make sure you're eating, treat yourself with some chocolate from time to time) and sleep it off when you can. Remind yourself when you're sick it's just the withdrawals and it will be over eventually, but not if you keep taking the drugs. Thanks for asking 🖤
@@snowblind3838 Hey, 6 days later, are you doing ok? I'm sending good vibes your way, dont be afraid to reach out friend. It will get better. -haven
@@snowblind3838 that's good, stay strong and I promise you can do this
Snow Blind You are not cheating!! Don't think that!! You made a great decision to quit- That's HUGE!!! All of us have!! We need to offer hope to those who have fallen into this mess, whatever means we took to get out. I went cold turkey other than Xanax to sleep (life saver) and I also surrendered it to God- but if I could have gotten my hands on methadone, I would have taken them in a heartbeat!!
As somebody who has been living with addiction for years. Decades really... You addressed this articulately and in a way that doesn't make the patient seem like a derelict. We have to start somewhere
At first, I thought my withdrawals were just a normal day of depression and anxiety, but then I realized that it wasn’t. It was my body asking for that opioid so it can act normal! I tried various times to come off it, but I just could not do it. I researched opioid withdrawals and all the symptoms were literally happening to me. It is the worst feeling anyone could ever go through. It’s like being a prisoner in your own mind! You can’t find peace. I read about suboxone and how it can help relieve the symptoms of withdrawal. I can’t imagine anyone going through opioid withdrawals without taking this medication. It has literally saved me.
Yeah. But ppl judge ppl all day on opioid drugs. (Did it to yourself ). Don’t do drugs)
why when you can kick it in three weeks why would you ever go for a pharmaceutical similar drug it's literal milking you for money is all. Go cold turkey for three weeks you would never think about opioids again is not going to kill you it just felt like a Flu once what you realize what it is it's not that big of a deal at all . Now benzodiazepines are alcohol you need to go to the hospital to detox
Except you're just trading one addiction for another. One narcotic for another. I've been on Suboxone for over ten years and the withdrawals are just as bad if not worse. Except they take even longer to subside. 😔
The desperation during withdrawal to go away is a different level people don’t understand
It's your survival instinct. It's the same as a starving person doing anything to get food, or a person dying of thirst for water, to stop the pain of dying from thirst.
@@iWillWakeYouUp damn that's eye opening
@@jeffhallinan5055 he's 100% right bc opiods climb up ur needs Pyramide bc of the dopamine rush.
The depression this man speaks about, is beyond description. When you combine this with the withdrawls, one begins to understand why so many addicts avoid stopping. Many people will feel no sympathy for addicts; but people with that attitude are not going to provide any useful answers.
very true
Very well said!
@@REDEARTH371 Thankyou both. I would add, that I am speaking from first hand experience, both as an addict and as a former councillor working in recovery. Perhaps 'sympathy' was not the appropriate word. Maybe 'understanding' would be of more practical value. The whole business of addiction and how to address it is awash with myth and prejudice - which ultimately provides no practical answers. A good starting place would be to dispence with one's preconceptions and read a bit about the subject.
@@TheClemcaster I think lots of people have been educated to view addicts as worthless beings. The reality is addiction has been around forever and has always impacted society. I believe that we must change how people view drugs through education and stick to facts. Addicts at the end of the day are people who need help.
@@richardrichards2941 I completely agree. I've witnessed these so-called worthless people become entirely different individuals having been given the opportunity, to then go on and make tremendous contributions to society.
People just don't understand...unless they feel this. It is one of the worst things to go through in life. Bravo to anyone who both attempts and successfully beats 1st, the disease of addiction and 2nd, the REAL symptoms of withdrawl. This is such a simple idea, and no one was able to figure it out.
Kicking opiates has no simple, easy or expedient way. The maintenance drugs are very expensive and more difficult to kick. I tried everything in every which way to avoid the nightmare he speaks of. After 15 years, suicide attempts, and looking outside of me for a solution. I realized that I needed to look for strength inside of me. He's spot on about every point. The medical community that were the catalyst for the problem abandoned me. I wouldn't wish withdrawal on anyone.
Personally I cannot imagine putting a bottle of opiates on my bedside table going through withdrawals and not touching them.
Exactly! No way youd be in full blown withdrawal and have the opportunity to take it away but refuse it and infact keep reducing more. He couldnt have been that bad from my experience
He had a physical dependency, not a mental one. As soon as the physical symptons had passed, he was fine.
@@TheFreakonthenet I've got news for you, The physical withdrawals are the worst part of Opiate addiction. When you get past that (Compareitively) it's a walk in the park. And yes I've been through this literally hundreds of times.
@@TheFreakonthenet but he wasnt past the physical withdrawal, thats my point, he says he was climbing the walls, totally ill and in pain and had the means to immediately feel well but didnt take it. Ive also been through it numerous times and would have done just about anything to take that feeling away, and the physical aspect is 10000000 times harder than the mental. Its torture, id bet my life this guy is exaggerating hugely or straight talking bollocks at times. If not then all i can say is nobody forced to him to go through that pain, he did it to himself. The docs were telling him to go back to his previous dose for a while but he didnt. So he says, but as i say thats wildy unlikely.
@@stephenflowers8516 I agree. Its the hardest thing ive ever had to do, actually no, that was benzo withdrawal. I could never get through it cold turkey, nor should you even try to. In the end i got off them by dropping down super slowly, to the point of taking only 2ml every week, then a bit longer between doses til eventually it was monthly. I honestly would still need to take that tiny dose tho, til i was able to go more than i month then i just stopped. I never thought id get off it so the relief is amazing
As a recovering heroin addict myself I can honestly say that everything this man described is true especially the lack of sleep and the jitters ,I used to describe the jitters as " breakdancing in bed" as you can not get comfortable at all . opioids are a vicious cycle of misery and I hope that anyone considering trying them Will listen to this man and myself and not go down that path.
Recovering herion addict here as well. Opiates are the devil in disguise. Hope you are doing well. Blessings.
Yes!!!
Im 9 hours in going cold turkey on oxycodine, getting anxiety / to much coffein kind of feelings...any advise as im going thorugh this?.
@@maylissbjerke9204 unfortunately it's going to get much worse as time goes on and honestly don't smoke any weed and don't take any valium as it only antagonises what is happening to you. I wish you all the best and it's only a few days and then it's over ok ❤️👍.
@@maylissbjerke9204 How are u now??
Former kratom addict on day 5 cold turkey, this is the most hopeful video I have seen to get me through these withdrawal symptoms. Kratom is not heroin or oxycodone, but the worst symptom has just been the depression. It takes an enormous amount of strength to quit drugs, stay strong everybody.
I started taking kratom about 6 months ago. I didn't know you could get addicted to it. 😩😭
I hope you're still doing well. Cold turkey is hard
Proud of you man. Kratom usage and withdrawal is no joke. I used to watch this video when I was stuck on it. Almost preparing myself for when I would eventually try to kick it. Eventually I detoxed at a facility, and I’m now 6 weeks clean. This is my first time watching this video since, and now I get to watch it thinking thank god I made it through
@@reedholland8279 Keep it up, i am working up the courage to get off of kratom myself. I love reading stories like this. Makes me feel more hopeful and that i am not alone in this battle. Thanks.
@@haleynic trust me, you can make it out! I felt stuck for years. Never thought I’d be able to kick it. If you have health insurance, look up the Coleman Institute. I only had to pay a copay for the entire week of treatment. It was a bit of a drive but totally worth it. I’ll keep my fingers crossed for you 🙏🏼
The love of my life recently left me and I know this was the reason why. I can't even imagine the pain I need to go thru to detox while losing my bestfriend and other half. I never wish this pain on my worst enemy.
Anthony, you are ahead of the game. You know you have a problem! I hope things are better in your life now. This pandemic has fucked up so many lives. Anything to deal with this nightmare. Trust me I can totally relate. Please keep me posted bud. I wish the best for you.
I don’t wish the pain on my worst enemy.
I wear patches but I can't do without them my chronic pain is too much
@SlimJimTim Pray to Jesus
@SlimJimTim hey Slim....what's up mate tell me....? Why have you said this.....you feel terrible right. What's you're story?
@@blacknyello9706 If I was dying I would be praying to him & millions in the same position who may have never prayed before start to pray.
I hope you @SlimJimTim can reach out to someone it's sad to read your message.
I hear you! Me neither😒
I weep for you my friend I have been addicted for 27 years and I am on third day without any opioid medication I am in a deep state of depressionI pray I live through this God's will be done
Franklin, I know how you feel. Dont let it beat you, this is the fight of your life and you will win.
There's not a lot you can do or take to help you thru this, only time will make it end, sometimes weeks...but everytime you give in to the addiction you have to start ALL OVER again from hour one!!!
You can do it!!
If you need a friend that has been there, or need someone to just help talk you down a bit to get over one of those spikes in the symptoms my phone number is
1-705-274-8677 my name is Dave, and I have been clean now for almost 4 years and fought that dragon for almost 15. I know what your going thru my friend and I wish you the very best.
James Stackhouse I’m on my 3rd day of withdrawing and I’ll tell you right now Kratom is making this very do-able. Kratom is saving me right now. The 2nd day was so agonizing that I had to go get some. Grab the strain called “Red Thai” or “Red vein” . Red vein Kratom gives you a sense of well being and slight euphoria, but you don’t necessarily get high you just feel good. If you’re really feeling fucked up like day 1-2 I would take 6-7 grams when you wake up then every 3-4 hours take 3 grams more.
may God guide you, be with you and comfort you through your withdrawals🙏 Faith will get you through.
I am praying for you. Please keep going!
Pregabalin shorter removes depression to a point of a positive mood.You only need 100mgs (not the 300 drs give ).You can top up with a 75 mg if you need padding.I have been to every luxury unit worldwide, I've been rapid detoxed (skin to satans butthole),I've had great success with a self designed (massive research ,anecdotal, self experienced and medically researched.).The only thing I can tell you is pregabalin beats even my gentlest plan of methadone drop to either 50 or better by far 30 mg ,lofexadine for 4 days then 2 weeks of bruprenorphine (subutex) using weed and some valium at the taper end ...I've this last week dropped off 150mgs of methadone to 50 mgs on a monday down to 20 mg on the Thursday ,using pregabalin. I sleep ,I'm happy ,I dont have the endless depression and weakness in my body that goes on for months .You also need a huge dose of ameno acids to heal and encourage the damage done to your serotonin receptors and production .This is why we suffer huge longterm depression. If you can fund it ,get a IV drip of 4 x the highest normal dose .Good luck I know that grey wolf that haunts you and it's the depression that wins everything.
The dread I felt from withdrawal was so bad. I’ll never wish that on anyone.
This happened to me too, it was so shocking when I was ready to stop but the prescribing dr literally told me she couldn’t & didn’t do that and they hung up on me and refused to see me. I didn’t qualify for rehab either and was desperately alone.
Withdrawal was the most horrible thing ever and if I can encourage you to NEVER even take 1. It’s NOT worth it unless it is very controlled and under a dr’s care.
I quit cold turkey after taking opioids for 9 years! What a mistake, I was very depressed for 2 to 3 years! And his life sounds a lot like mine in 2009! I'm glad he beat it and so did I!
12 step groups have a great first rule when all else fails find someone to help!! :):)
After a serious injury I was on them for 6years. I went cold turkey & I'm almost 2 & 1/2 years out. It's been the hardest thing I've ever been through.
could be multiple problems I found out years after getting clean I had HEP C.
I was very lucky and cleared the virus in the early days. Chronic pain is a constant fiend!
Damn! So i have over 3 years of trying to not kill myself to look forward to?! I minus well get it over with and let my kids sue to make up for their loss. I can't see myself being any good to them sleeping 3-4 hours a day/night, being in pain for over 18 hours per day!😕
TheRealRevelation it is tough to have chronic pain and live with it, but I did build a tolerance to it to a certain point. That being said though I still have to take 800 mg Motrin three time a day and sometime Tylenol. Just hang in there it will get better!
6 min Most can't comprehend the strength it takes for a person to give this stuff up ... Pray it never takes you for a ride ;-)
This is the most powerful TED talk I've seen in a while. He is exactly right--doctors don't know squat about tapering. I have arthritis and have had several surgeries over the past few years, and the 50% taper looks like what was recommended for me too. If you ask to go slower, they treat you like you're an addict, just trying to get a fix. It's so messed up. Thank you for addressing this important issue!
Crap. Unbelievable exaggeration
That welling up in the heart center is God healing his children .
Thank you for sharing your story!!! I was you!!!!!! I did it with no family and no support!!!! 3 years sober and I NEVER want to go to that dark place AGAIN!!!!!! 6-2-2019...... You NEVER forget the withdrawal symptoms!!!!!! I can not smell a pain pill now without throwing up!!!!!!! We did it tho:}.....Kim from Tennessee. Prayers for anyone going through any kind of withdrawal!!
Kim Peridore Congratulations
I wish I could have just lived through my experience with withdrawal.
Having a 3 year old grandson to take care of, I ended up going to a methadone clinic.
Here I am 3 1/2 years later, still going to clinic and at 70 milligrams a day. Paying $400 a month for treatment.
Feeling stuck in Louisiana
My eyes have been opened to a whole new struggle. How can we help those we love get "un-hooked"? That is the question that no one is asking...Congratulations on your sobriety. #COOUDCHW
Suzanne Bonneau If I can do it so can you! Short story....14 yrs ago, due to chronic illness was put on pain meds. 9 yrs ago, prescribed methadone for pain, the withdrawals from that are just as nasty. 11 days ago I walked in suboxone clinic paid 200.00 for first month. Thereafter every month is 150.00.
First few days I had very little withdraws, but the subs kept me awake for first 3 nights. When I would withdraw cold turkey I would never sleep so I’m not sure if it is the meds or withdraw. But since my body has adjusted. I’m sleeping really good! I don’t “want” or crave a pill! I’ve kept myself busy by reading or watching RUclips on stories of people w/ addictions. I used to hate opening my eyes in the morning, because before I did anything, I had to take “my meds” bc the withdraws were hitting me.
Some people say “it’s just a crutch, it’s addicting too, it can be abused and so on”. Those are the people who don’t understand what your body goes through going “cold turkey”. But if one wants it badly enough then you’ll take the steps to getting “clean”. I know I’m only on day 11 but I feel so much better! I’m keeping busy, I don’t have any desire to turn back now! Like I said day by day!
Best feeling in the world, is waking with a new attitude, putting my feet on floor without feeling sick! I never thought I’d ever feel that again! I thought I would die from this. In fact, I was ready to die from this. Not anymore!
I have a lot of work to do on myself, mending my relationship with my adult children, and getting to know my grandkids.
I know your “stuck feeling” and I don’t wish that on anyone. I would ask them to start tapering you, IF you think you can do it. If your able, just get on the suboxones, again if you can’t go cold turkey and set yourself FREE!!! Best free feeling, I’m telling you!! Sending love from Ohio! ❤️❤️❤️
I been off opiods for 3 weeks will I pass a drug test
@@moneysweat7643 Yes.
The worst part imo was not being able to sleep and the disgusting type of depression it causes.
Larry Tate agreed 100%. I need help sleeping bad.
@@budz.1274 Get someone to massage you otherwise massage your hands and your feet, that you can do by yourself, or someone of your family, as well you may massage your face, ears and head, if someone can masage your back and at the sides of the vertebrae bones from up down, I do that myself in the areas I can, because this will help your body to relax even if you cannot sleep well, if done everyday massage will help to relax your body and if there is someone to help you will be better, I do it myself with daily cold showers, and massage wherever I can reach in my body, from my heart I hope this will help you to feel better and get more sleep even if slowly.
That depression is so bad and scary and the physical feeling that comes with it is it’s own demon
I agree the days n nites ferl like YEARS...ITS AWFUL...
Not sleeping and not eating.
I have been addicted to trams for a few years, originally was prescribed for broken ribs from a kick at training..i was using them for the original purpose but started to abuse them as they helped stop my ptsd. But i have lost so much through taking them, i decide enough is enough and went cold turkey all alone..been 6 months free now..and im looking forward to life once again.. You can do it. It will pass, just know there is a better life at the end of it all... ❤
I quit all the time with Kratom, as you recommend in another post. It is a wonder cure for tramadol withdrawals. It should be prescribed. Its not because big pharma can’t profit off a leaf.
I am balling my eyes out right now as i'm in the middle of week 1 of this. Only after seeing this has my physical, mental and emotional symptoms been explained to me and done so extremely well. I am staring at my little orange jar now with sooo much fear of what's coming. God help me.
How are you doing now? Hope you’re better. Please comment if you see this
I fully believe that opioid withdrawal causes a very pronounced PTSD experience that is very specific in nature. So allowing someone to agonize in withdrawal, using the mantra "no one has ever died by being in withdrawl" is a reckless and careless policy that scars the individual, creating further emotional obstacles to recovery that will have to be dealt with further down the road.
Some severe alcohol addicts have died because of withdrawal, its the only drug that can kill you with the withdrawal, and its legal woo
I went to the hospital begging for help and that's what they told me. Beyond ridiculous
845callaway The words are ingrained in my soul forever coming from emergency physician in ER
Besides you most certainly can die from symptoms which accompany massive opiate withdrawal. Just the dehydration from watery diarrhea alone is potentially fatal. You have to manage the withdrawal symptoms so you don't die. Fatal potassium level drops, These things effect heart function. Heart attacks can occur. Medically supervised detox, while obviously not an option for many - works. They have meds and vitamins and supplements which keep your heart under control, your body chemistry, hydration, and yes, the ability to sleep - all of which are non addictive if managed properly.
@@killereverb3928 You should have 1000's of likes. People die real fast when they can't eat or hold down water for weeks on end, along with all the other fatal complications that occur. We don't hear about these cases much as they're often people thrown in jail. The legal system should be afraid of the real Judgement Day. Apparently the jail deaths got so bad in NY that they had to start a taper program, from what I've heard. Not something the mainstream would ever acknowledge of course.
Anyone who has gone through this has my sympathy. The “flu like” symptoms are a walk in the park compared to the insomnia. I wouldn’t fall asleep until 6 in the morning at times, and I had to be up an hour later to go to work. I’d have been laying in bed twitching and moving around for 7-8 hours at that point. It feels like growing pains, if you can remember those from when you were a kid. You can only burn the candle at both ends for so long until your body just gives out. I can remember being so physically and mentally exhausted, pacing my house and stretching my legs at 5 in the morning trying to calm my nerves, only to lay down and minutes later want to jump out of my skin. The constant rapid heart beat... feels like your heart is going to burst out of your chest and there’s nothing you can do to calm yourself. Tapering doesn’t really help, because when the supply is eventually gone, your body knows it. It will adapt to the taper, but that final cut, when you eliminate that substance, that’s when the fun starts. It took almost a week for my symptoms to start, and after multiple weeks of not improving, I literally wanted to end my life to stop the exhaustion. I almost lost everything due to substance abuse. The worst part about these drugs are the way they make you feel when you’re on them. Like you’re the king of the world and like everything in life is going to be ok. You feel empathetic and giving, outgoing and social. For an introvert like myself, it makes you into the person you think you should be. People would comment on how much I’d changed for the better, and how much better I was doing while on meds. That’s what hurt the most. My own family and friends had no idea what I was doing to myself, and to them, I was doing “so much better”. It’s all a lie. It’s no way to live. You’re better off never knowing how good you can feel, and just dealing with life through sober eyes. It all comes to an end at some point, and it’s really not much fun.
I am sorry your family was not the support that you deserved. You should be proud of the strength it takes to quit. Most cannot.
My insomnia will be remain rest of my life I suppose.
What you describe happened to me too... the lying in bed exhausted and twitching all night... it got so bad people thought i was on meth, i was gaunt in the face and dropped 10kgs. had no interest in food... and i just wanted to sleep!.. i thought it outrageous that no medical practitioner would supply sleepers coz wtf do i care for their supposed likelihood of addiction!... one thing at a time!... i was furious and will forever be filthy on the profession... they had a duty of care... i got some stuff on-line, but was almost bonkers by my situation.... tapering and then jumping off the absolute smallest dose is the only way... i use asmr for sleep and relaxation and though i couldn't do it initially i can now fall asleep to music via earphones, because (of going without) the smallest noises would keep me awake, that in turn made me want to scream out windows and tell the world to stfu!... i know i obsessed at the time but that's just how it is, you're out of sync... to this day i think i might have sustained some permanent damage... yeah if you don't sleep all sorts of crap starts up like anxiety obsession weight-loss and i can relate to the fragile emotional-state...
That was a lengthy comment you posted dear friend and I want to thank for it. You really spoke from the heart and seemed to hold nothing back. Your story is gripping to say the least. May God be with you and show you His wonderful kindness and grace.
May the love of His Son Jesus surround you and embrace you warmly.
Please take care.
Mr. Indie Thanks for sharing your story. You are a very strong person...stronger than you think. Philippians 4:13
I know exactly how you felt, I've felt the same. I wish I would have seen this Vid and comments before I stared on pills. I'd at least know what I was getting into. The doc said, "They may be habit forming". No prob, I've had codeine cough syrup a few times before and was fine. I got hurt at work and the workers comp doc put me on Hydrocodone 5mg 2x a day, Prednisone, and Robaxin. A few weeks later and the dose was 10mg 4x add Neurontin and Voltaren, a NSAID. I was already taking a gram of acetaminophen but ok. Few months later I was referred to a pain clinic and changed to Oxycodone and Lioresal. Few years later a couple epidurals, add morphine and Lyrica and Relafen instead of Voltaren. Crazy amount of pills, I took all the pain pills and most of the others. I finally get approved for surgery that I needed and after a week or two I could tell a difference, the nerve pain down my leg was almost gone and the spine pain was much better. So they cut my meds in half and I was ok untill the doc had to leave early and the rescheduled my apt and said my scrips were called in. Got to the pharm and they had all but pain pills, The law now is narcotics can't be called in they say. I called the doc office and she said he would not be back for a week and he is the only work comp doc and I have to wait and to go to the er if I had pain. I was like am I supposed to say in the er for a week? I made it about 3 days before the withdrawals become worse than the pain, er gave me a shot of morphine (I was instantly 90% better, such an amazing feeling), a pack of prednisone, and a band-aid. Also a bill for $1300 that work comp did not pay. That lasted about 12h and the sickness and pain started creeping back in. I was broke physically and financially and had 3 and a half days to go. My buddy came over and he was on Suboxone, I had researched it and knew what it was but never tried it. I thought I was going to die or wish I was dead so I took a tiny piece that he offered. 15 min later I was hardly sick, I was like wow this stuff really works. I was in so much pain I didn't even think about the drug test, I was banned from that pain clinic. That's when it seems everything fell apart. Workers comp got another dr to take me 100 miles away, he said he would never give me a pain pill. He did give me Cymbalta, Robaxin and Neurontin untill they made Neurontin a narcotic last year. Now almost 6 years I just get Robaxin that hasn't helped in years. I still take sub, I have not been able to beat it. I think all the crap they gave me and did to me has fucked up my body. I probably would have been better off If i had not went to the dr at all
Bless your heart , you're very brave &strong & I am so glad you're doing better. Both acute & post acute opiate withdrawal is a nightmare, especially when your underlying physical pain is not under control. I am going through the post acute withdrawal now & I get emotional too when I talk about opiate withdrawal because it is traumatic
I hope everyone who's gone through this knows that they're an absolutely beautiful person
I can have my life destroyed by legal drugs prescribed by doctors but I can’t buy weed??
N D95 stay away from weed too , dude I am suffering from the same effects from weed
Yahya Elmi u been on the new “chronic” ... gov made! They put Extra stuff in it!!! That’s why.. go get you some kaopectate... (it’s an anti diarrhea chalky substance)... it will help! Also, Kratom will too
Yahya Elmi how much weed we’re your smoking damn
@@yahyaelmi8435 That's ridiculous. You're ridiculous.
You’re in the wrong state bro
Watched this again I will be 10 years clean of prescribed opioids in April 2019
Congrats on 10 years Friend!!
According to me, if one can beat the addiction once, the foolish confidence that I've been able to abstain from it once hence I can try it again is one of the most dangerous points in opioid addiction.
This was one of the very best descriptions of withdrawal. Very well spoken.
I'm glad they decided to put this TEDx talk on the regular Ted channel. It's an important story.
This is a great watch 3 days after spine surgery while on oxy.
Looking forward to the continued suffering.
I agree! I’m sick of taking OxyContin 2x a day, 10mg. Each ....the patch is 50 mg every 2 days. Doc said I could try suboxone, but I hear people get addicted to that also! Just want me back!
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informitas 0 try to take as few as possible..it changes your personality and will depress you! So say no to the drugs and tell doc to give you something that isn’t addictive!
@@catherineanderson7460 suboxone withdrawls are not as bad as the opioid withdrawls. Look more into them its worth it
@@catherineanderson7460 How in the world are you even still getting OxyContins? From what I've been able to tell, those are quite rarely prescribed these days. I only know ONE person who's been prescribed them in the past 10 years, & she's in her 60's & had a very invasive stomach surgery.
It took my daughter 2 yrs. to feel ok after withdrawal. I'm a nurse but it was horrific!
Did she suffer from severe depression as well? I'm trying to find out what's wrong with me. I have an 11yr daughter and I can't leave her on this earth by herself but I can't take this deep depression any more..
Danielle DeGroat get help quick. Are you in the UK?
Danielle it's the opiates coming out your system it will go away I had a horrible feeling in my brain for 3 months keep fighting you will be ok keep saying that to yourself text me if you need more advice
I'm glad ur daughter ok. I'm my Prayers 🙏 .
How long does suboxone withdrawal last
I actually teared up watching this, god bless him! It's a discomfort I know all too well.
Wow I am 12 years opioid-Free and your description had me in tears and I can still remember all of those feelings, the weird tastes and smells- all of it. I will always feel in my heart that my Dr. (at the time) was a drug dealer. I spent my whole life as far as I could away from any drugs. And then in my late 20s a little white pill took my whole world. I'm so happy to be away from that life. I'm happy you are too.
At this time I have lost three family members to accidental prescription drug overdoses.
May I ask how you got off of these things? I am now years of dealing with this opioid dependency! I have stage 4 cancer and I just don’t want to be so stressed all
The time about being tied to the Fentanyl patches . I’ve experienced the evil nightmare that is withdrawal so I’m desperately looking for help . My doctor is no help so far
Any doctor who can't manage a medication and its dosing and dosing reduction should not be allowed to prescribe said medication.
Michael Berthelsen
Exactly same with Benzos
They almost killed me
Michael Berthelsen most doctors these days are nothing but glorified prescription pushers in a nutshell I'd say they're drug dealers with a great education. Not all but most. I think if the doctor had to go through the experience of dependency and withdrawal before they were legally allowed to write prescriptions. That way the doctors will think twice when prescribing narcotics for something a little as lower back pain or a minor pain in general.
Michael Berthelsen it doesn't matter IMO... Opiates are so susceptible to abuse that in two weeks one can be addicted on a minimal script. For real.
We have to outlaw doctors from getting perks or gifts from pharmaceutical companies.
There are still a ton of doctors making millions in perks a year in Florida, for prescribing opioids to anyone and everyone.
Canada outlawed the practice in the early 2000s, and opioid prescriptions fell by 30%. They also stopped regular doctors from prescribing opioids for longer than 2weeks total. With anything longer requiring a trip to a pain management specialist, who’s clinic doubles as opioid/narcotic withdrawal center.
Rather than outlaw lobbying, you could just remove the financial incitement. Regulate the cost of medicines and force (at minimum) offering of price-lowering drug (within active pharmaceutical ingredient OR EVEN drug class) substitution at pharmacy level.
Don't pay physicians based on how many patients they see and how many diagnoses they make every hour. Pay them based on appropriate care and put hard limits on how many and how few patients a given practicing physician has.
US healthcare has a lot to learn from the rest of the developed world. They should start today.
My heart goes out to each and everyone of you who's going through this. I've had three back surgeries , I have arthritis on the spine, I now have arthritis on all my extremities. I'm also diagnosed with bipolar depression. I am currently on 30 mg oxycodone five times a day. I've attempted several times with no exaggeration of stopping. But I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place do I suffer from chronic pain 24/7 or suffer from addiction with my medication. Just like this gentleman the pain was so unbearable I do not want to live, but I have grandchildren two adult sons and people who love me. The medication won. Suicide would be the ultimate Act of selfishness. So for those of you who do not understand this dilemma, I hope this gives a clear picture of what we go through on a daily basis. Please try and exercise loving kindness and understanding
I'm on 50 of Oxy and when I try to stop I find that I can't tolerate the chronic pain coming back, along with the extra pain that comes with even slow tapering. Now I'm trying to find a non-opioid way to deal with the pain. I can't take Ibuprofen or any of the NSAIDS.
@@klarity1111 thank you so very much for responding Klarity*11, I was introduced to something called kratom, there's various strains of it. I take green manga, and red Bali, kratom. Please look into this it has made a tremendous improvement in my pain tolerance. I hope this really helps please let me know and God bless you
@@gabrielkirkbaca2910 Unfortunately, Kratom is illegal in my state.
That was powerful. Thank You
I respect this man for explaining it all and wanting to make a difference!
Even more disturbingly there are the majority of those in jail who are instantly detoxing on hard, cold floors w/noone to care or notice if they seize or have a heart attack. Then blame the family. Or, even sadder, they are left to blame the only one who care-the deceased.
You are spot friggin on
I was just detoxing in a cell for 48 hours. No meds will be given even for those withdrawing from benzos. If I didn't get bailed out today I was going to bang my head on the wall until I passed out.
They get detoxed in jail, get released with zero tolerance into the streets and overdose themselves dead within a week or two of being released..
I know because it's how 2 years ago I l lost my wife, Krystal, she was only 33 years old..
This guy..
He ain't all that, comes off weak and dumb, I guess anyone can get a TED talk now..
This guys never heard of coming off of opioids with kratom?
My wife taught me that one and many more..
He's an industry shill.. The talk just ended.. I don't know which specific industry.. Came off fake af.. The talking points, the fake emotional display, his ignorance of the subject, it all screams shill, industry shill.. Who know for who though?
That's #TheTruth
You cannot explain an opioid, benzodiazepine, or alcohol withdrawal to anyone who hasn't gone through it before. The best word I can use to describe it is an endless and intense horror that feels like it's killing you. Every second is long and felt and you think to yourself, I literally can't handle this. Not to mention the physical torment. What's happening to your consciousness is so intense that you are basically in shock and can't think or see straight and it feels like you are in a parallel universe, like your body doesn't feel quite there. And not in a good way, if i'm not being clear. It shouldn't exist in reality.
I remember in my last one my hands started locking up and i was losing feeling in my arms and i was slowly blacking out.
roach realist description I’ve ever read this is A1
roach that happens to me too parallel universe hands locking up definitely another Realm thank God I'm good at faking acting normal otherwise I wouldn't have hey way to work and function you know a job if they really knew what went in your mind or is going on in there they wouldn't have a thing to do with you haha they kind of are now cuz I can't shut my mouth half the time cuz of the agony
@@tomtroy1745 wow, you're tough if you can go to work during acute w/d's. I've gone to work through some milder ones, but they get worse each time. Mine got so bad I couldn't even google a song, much less go to work. Then I have to dig myself out of the hole again. It's like being so aware and awake, but at the same time incapable of thought or motor function. I hope I never do that to myself again, but that's me personally. Some people seem to think the w/d's are worth the high still, so to each their own.
roach I don't feel tough I feel very week I'm about ready to give up but what do I do if I give up die I ain't going to die if I can help it damn it what do you do
@@tomtroy1745 Damn, man, I'm sorry you're going through this. What you need to know is that this experience is temporary. Like everything else, this too shall pass. I know you're incapable of positive thoughts right now, but you can still try to stop the dark ones. There's something called square breathing. Focus on your breath, and know that you are safe, and just focus on an innocent movie scene or something your brain can't turn morbid. I focused on Alice in the flowers. Also, excersize really helps. Go outside. Water helps a lot. Hot baths help the restless legs. Try to laugh at your pain. Listen to music.
If you get suicidal, know that you can ALWAYS go to the hospital first. They will give you medication to help you feel much better. Suboxone will take the w/d's away, but don't get addicted to the subs. either. Taper off 50% each day. Kraytom helps immensly if you can get some of that. Xanax helps the anxiety, but be VERY careful w/ benzo's. The w/d's are rediculous. Don't take it more than 3 days in a row. Alcohol really helps, like a lot. Be careful not to drink yourself into alcohol poisoning, but get drunk and listen to music. Not sad music. But good music. wd's are kind of like an acid trip, you can change the mood w/ music, but don't freak yourself out. If you have friends you trust and who won't make you feel guilty or ashamed then ask them to be around you for some support. It's ok to ask for help. I wish I could be there to help, but if you have any more questions you can ask, or I can help you look up resources in your area.
Wow best truthful experience I ever heard! Thank for being a voice when no words are there!
You did an amazing job being the voice for soo many of us , and dressed and speaking properly may help get the word out to those that can understand, I applaud you !
I'm on day 3 man, if zero opioids. My life feels upside down, thank you for inspiring me.
Try Kratom.
nebraska corn fed any update? How you doing? The 4th day is way better.
InMyCudiZzZone Ya. Man I stopped pills and got on a suboxone taper from. Local doc. Withdrawals from subs are completely manageable. As long as you taper down. But ya I haven’t had pills for 5 years
It’s been three months since your post
How are you doing now?
Nighttime:
Otc: Cbd (40mg at night,), l-theanine, passsionflower, valerian root, magnesium chelate, 5-htp, chamomile extract, melatonin. (Stack em all, no shakes no anxiety), immodium(for diarhea)
Rx: Clonidine (if necessary for sleep), zofran for nausea.
Day:
L-theanine(100-200 mg), Cbd oil (5-20 mg every 3-4 hours), adrafinil (prodrug version of modafinil, availible legally over the counter), l-tyrosine, sam-e, dl-phenylalanine, ginseng.
These stacks allow for good energy, qwelling of shakes, and nausea. Virtually no anxiety. Pain management. Motivation. And restful sleep.
Btw. Cbd, theanine stack has shown promise in reducing drug seeking behavior. Not only will you, be free of withdrawal, you will have MUCH less craving. God bless
Am 20 yrs old
Have been addict sine 3.5 years
I got clean for 2 months at the start of this year
Unfortunately i could not stay clean
But i am trying again
Its 3 days clean now
Boo yah
I am assuming you mean you've been an addict for 3.5 years....and not since you were 3.5.
Hi. I hope you're still clean!
How'a it going? No judgement. I've relapsed DOZENS of times.
keep going! I am so proud of you!
Praying for you mate,,,
Thankyou for bothering to tell your story & hopefully it will bring awareness to the need for better management of these drugs. We’ll do e for getting through this terrible ordeal & once again.. great on you for speaking up! How else can things change - God Bless 🙏✌️❤️
My heart breaks listening to these stories :( I pray for anyone dealing with any type of drug dependency
I have went 11 days before without sleeping when I was withdrawing and I am currently trying to get off Methadone now. I fear the withdrawals.
With methadone it is really easy to do a slow taper. How fast you do it just depends on your dose. Anyway, once youre down to about 50/40mg, you should just reduce your dose by 1/2 mg a weeks. This way you hardly feel anything at all. That has been my experience,anyway.
Chris Robinson good luck man. it's hard. hope the best for you.
Nighttime:
Otc: Cbd (40mg at night,), l-theanine, passsionflower, valerian root, magnesium chelate, 5-htp, chamomile extract, melatonin. (Stack em all, no shakes no anxiety), immodium(for diarhea)
Rx: Clonidine (if necessary for sleep), zofran for nausea.
Day:
L-theanine(100-200 mg), Cbd oil (5-20 mg every 3-4 hours), adrafinil (prodrug version of modafinil, availible legally over the counter), l-tyrosine, sam-e, dl-phenylalanine, ginseng.
These stacks allow for good energy, qwelling of shakes, and nausea. Virtually no anxiety. Pain management. Motivation. And restful sleep.
@@bearsbeetsbattlestargalactica8 I've been on methadone for about 10 years & I'm at 10mgs right now going down 2 mg every 2 weeks. I really felt it in the 20s but I've been doing a lot better than I thought I would. Definitely trouble sleeping but I expected that & it also caused cystic acne from detoxing out of my pores but that's rare cases. I'm 35 too. Hopefully the last 5 weeks wont be too bad. Fingers crossed for us both!
@@TheGodfather101 MSM for pain is GREAT!! Cheap and effective.
DMSO topically for muscle spasms & pain.
As a bedside nurse practicing for 26 years, most of my hospital patients do NOT want to take any pain medicine, Not even a Tylenol and I have seen that attitude for the last 10 years. They have pain medicine if needed, but my docs taper them completely off. I think it is wrong to punish patients who need pain medicine, ask for it Post operatively for two days when they are discharged and they get nothing. Not everybody is a drug addict or drug seeker. Those docs who do tapering protocols are feeling powerless because they are being pressured to do fast tapering protocols or these docs will be sanctioned or loose their medical licenses.
ittibittinurse where do you work lol? 90% of my patients throw a fit if they aren’t junked up on pain meds, muscle relaxants, and benzos.
Fcreceptor, sounds like you get a lot of drug seekers.
I have had the same experience as a nurse. Most people don't even ask. I think we don't have an opioid epidemic so much as an entitlement sociopath epidemic. Grandpa has a bottle of pain medication in his medicine cabinet. (Probably left over because he took some and never got addicted.) So, you steal them to get high without worrying that grandpa might not have enough. Might end up in pain, thanks to you. Then, you start lying and stealing to get high on street drugs. And, it's the doctor's fault for prescribing them to your grandpa. Time to rethink this one, folks!
@@Fcreceptor I wanted to get off benzos(broke my back had surgery got septic after incision opened and had to spend a year on my left side no sitting laying in back etc)and did quit them cold turkey only to have my Dr refuse to treat me furthur because I came off them. I stopped my effexor cold turkey also. I am still on pain medication but I also have had 13 surgeries because I also have chrons and my intestines are filled w ulcers and the abdominal pain is out of control... Along w the 12 herniated discs, ddd and stenosis on every level, severe nerve damage from my spine collapsing after the fracture crushing nerves plus the osteimylitis eating my spine and the infected wound destroying nerves. My life is filled w pain and I have tried to go off pain meds w the only issue being severe pain(having chrons already causes me to have severe abdominal issues.. Throwing up and other unpleasant things so I may just be used to dealing w that).. I have never in 4 years needed an early refill either and am now on lowest level of the pain meds. If used for severe pain and managed correctly usually there is no issue w addiction. Only when taken recreationally when not in pain will a person feel high. I have never gotten any feelings of euphoria etc. There is also a study that says DNA has something to do w addiction and my Dr preformed the test on me and I do not have thegene that causes addiction so that could also be a cause. Never take pain meds unless you're out of your mind with pain. If you have bad pain but it's temporary then I also suggest not using pain meds. Temporary pain will go away but a drug addiction won't.
@@tiffanyprice2130 I am so sorry for all of your suffering. Serious, painful diseases are so isolating that most of you out there don't know it exists. You don't know these people are out there because they don't come to your parties or Little League Games. We are here. We don't want to take medications. We need them to endure.
Opiates kill by depressing respirations. Supposedly, there is a fixed dosage level which will kill you. Supposedly, the pain quickly develops a tolerance to opiates. Supposedly, you quickly a lethal dose to treat your pain.
Supposedly.
In real life, people can use the same amount for months or years. In real life, most people don't like the sedation and euphoric side effects. Those go away after the first few days. People in pain aren't getting high. They don't develop a rapid tolerance to analgesia. They develop a rapid tolerance to the unwanted side effects. They also develop a slow tolerance to the amount needed to depress respirations. The fixed dose lethal dose is a myth.
A very FEW patients seek rapid increases of doses. They are seeking the side effects of euphoria that have subsided after the first few days. The take more than prescribed. The combine with potentiators such as alcohol or street drugs. They haven't developed the slow tolerance to respiratory depression. These are the people who are die.
Again, so sorry for all of your suffering. Your advice to others is solid. Hope you are doing well. Hang tight!
2yrs clean you can do it 💪🏽
Quitter
Do you mind me asking how you did it?
Congratulations
Ditto benzo withdrawal, so many similar symptoms, and some even scarier psychological ones. I am still getting hypnogogic jerks that wake me up constantly when I try to take naps, but thankfully, I am sleeping again. Honestly though, I didn't think I was going to make it through the withdrawal process, it was so unbelievably horrifying
I'm a junky and I've always heard benzo withdrawals are a nightmare and this is from people who have come off of both
I've been through this. I wanted to die. I was so angry at doctors.. NONE of them had any idea how long the symptoms would last... NOTHING.
Opiod withdrawal is just as traumatic as the addiction it's self, probably more so.
YEAH, I would say NOT being high is more traumatic than being high.
@@jwhiteout it's not about not being high. Its about not going thru withdrawl.
@@jwhiteout a lot of people aren't high on opioid, they just take it to not feel bad.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM GOING THROUGH ... I NEED TO MEET YOU TRAVIS .. YOU ARE ON POINT WITH THE EXPLANATION
Those jitters and restlessness at night is whats terrible when all you want is sleep man
superbest948
Because when you are asleep you are free from the pain of withdrawals, it’s a temporary relief. Ever dream your drug of choice?
Miserable. Especially frustrating if you have a house full of restful sleepers while you twist and turn and get up and sit down and walk around and lay down on every surface waiting until the moment you finally get an hour of rest only to wake up to some odd sound or as a result of the horrible stomach aches.
@@evolutionaryadvantage don't forget the feeling of panic you wake up with once you do start sleeping.
Weeks of restlessness and pain in my legs when I tried to sleep was the worst.
superbest948 chlonadine.
Good thing you didn't know any heroin dealers at that time... Because that, my friend, is EXACTLY how people become heroin addicts.
Not quite the average junky that you normally think of, huh?
Amen, Johnny.
Yup so true
This is true, and he had a wife that stuck by him and a place to live! Most ppl get abandoned, or in jail, or are already homeless when in withdrawal!
Johnny Partain indeed it is.
maybe if you're racist you have an average junky in mind
If a person has high blood pressure and their Dr put them on medication to control it, everyone is happy for you . If a person is diagnosed with diabetes and put on insulin, everyone says how great it is the Dr has it under control.
If a person has cronic pain and the Dr puts them on opiod pain meds , everyone treats them like drug addicts.
You are correct. There is a difference though. After a period of time on any of the medications you notated, only the opioids cause physical dependence. After a few weeks on opioids, EVERYONE will become physically addicted.
@@B_Bodziak that’s not even true lol.
You can withdrawal and should NEVER cold Turkey blood pressure medication. Always taper. Almost any drug, used daily, the brain gets used to it and needs it to function normal.
But both blood pressure and diabetes can be cured with Vit. D3, change of diet and exercise. In my eyes all of these treatments are not made to help or cure the patients. It's made, to treat them as long as possible. The pharmacist doesn't make money of a healthy or a dead one.
@@monikaseidenberg5403 That depends entirely on what type of high blood pressure you have. That is, what is causing it. There are a lot of people in this world who look very healthy and fit and they keel over and die from a massive heart attack or stroke. High blood pressure is not called the silent killer for no reason. Many people, even most, have no symptoms at all. Even small children can have high blood pressure and not all types of hypertension can be easily controlled with one or two pills a day. As far as diabetes goes, it also depends on which kind of diabetes you have. An insulin dependent diabetic isn't going to be cured with a vitamin. Sugar levels have to be checked regularly and medication amounts adjusted accordingly. Just having insulin doesn't mean your condition is easily managed. Mary Tyler Moore was a diabetic. Diabetes effects so much more than insulin levels. Circulation, heart, eyesight, nerve damage. People in these comment sections over simplify things. If you have never had a serious chronic pain problem, it's quite easy to call another person an addict. I am not an addict, but like a diabetic, I depend upon my pain meds to get me through my day. I have tried everything to make the pain stop. I've had 3 surgeries and the last two made the pain much worse! When you have uncontrolled pain, it has a detrimental effect on your life. People who do not understand the condition should refrain from labeling others. I get quite tired of being treated like a criminal every time I go to the emergency room. I will one day die because I refuse to go to the ER anymore because the doctors and nurses see only drug seekers and addicts instead of a patient with a problem that needs treating. Insurance companies and legislature also treat chronic pain as if it was a crime instead of a condition that causes constant suffering. Shame on all of them!
God bless this man for going through so much pain.
oh please - he's the biggest freakin baby i ever heard . .
@@fattymcfatso1083r u serious? Obviously u never been thru it
Damn. He did good at articulating withdrawal. I teared up during that part because it brought back a lot of bad memories.
Same, brought back the sheer misery of weeks of, for me methadone withdrawals.
Same x
@@jfdomega7938 are you working now?
@@checkpence_sporesoninstagr8538 what handle?
I don't know why anyone would dislike this. I've never been dope sick but I've seen it first hand and OMG it is like watching someone being possessed by the devil. It is truly agony.
Because Chronic Pain sufferers have been thrown under the bus, that's why.
Breeze I know this first hand my daughter had to watch me in this condition more than a few times how horrible for your 30 year old daughter see her mom in that condition! I’ve now been clean for 2 years Iam on suboxin it’s the only thing that worked on me down on low dose and hoping soon to be off all meds!
@@cindyfitzgerald4500 suboxone is even worse!
This is a powerful message. God bless you.
A very brave man,I went through the same thing and it’s very frighting..I am now very good..
My aunt, who was only a few years older than me and more like my older sister, died because of escalating prescription opioid dependence. She was 47 years old, and I miss her so much. :'(
grymhild
I'm so sorry about your loss: (
🌹🕇 Jesus comfort you
grymhild -- I'm so very sorry for your loss.
I'm really sorry to hear this. Auntie RIP. Sorry for your family.
I'm sorry for your loss
It takes a man to get up there and say what he said...and it's all truth. Every word is true. Well done sir. Well done.
Wow, as an opioid addict, this sure scares the crap out of me...💔😭
Fantastic, clear, concise, brilliantly communicated and authentic talk on a very real and widespread problem for many, many people. Thank you.
Should do a TED talk on the agony of benzodiazepine withdrawal. So horrible.
Ten x worse imo than opioid withdrawals!
Makes opiates look like Christmas
opioids are a walk through the park, compared to benzos, my new Doctor has me down to 30 mg daily on 10 mg librium. From three 25 mg three times a day. I think I;m doing ok. Ay 65 I hurt though terribly.
Cave Man I recently went through withdrawal from snorting a hundred n fifty to two hundred mills of oxy a day for 5 years, xanax and alcohol withdrawal at the same time. Talk about agonizing. Worst experience of my life by far. Without clonidine, Librium and trazodone I'm not sure if I would've made it through that with my life. I've also been through these all separately at different times. Imo overall the opiate withdrawal is by far worse than the benzos or alcohol. I've had a lot of experience with all of them. But to each there own I guess. Everybody is different. Anyways I've been clean for just over two months now and the anxiety and depression is still very very bad. Wish my luck guys. I could use it.
That can actually kill you if not tapered off.
Been off Suboxone and Xanax for 2 months and I still feel like death everyday.
lisa solis it gets better.. it really does
hang in there Lisa.it will get better, hang tough. you got this!!
You’re coming off too fast. You need to find a good doc that will allow you to taper at a rate that works for you. I was lucky and found a good doc. It took several years but I was able to get off and I feel great. Just hang in there
@@bobbarham6119 I'm off them for good now, but you are right you must come off slowly.
I cut the 8mg sub strips into tiny squares and took one a day for about 3 week and even at that low a dose was horrible.
lisa solis what you need to do is get the pills grind them up and get down to the 2mg dose. This won’t work with the strips. Then get the 2mg pills grind them up. Now here’s the trick. Get some aspirin Goodys packets are great. What you want to do is finely grind the 2mg tabs. A pistol and mortar works great. You can find them on eBay. Then start mixing the Suboxone with the aspirin. I got a scale, again off eBay. The mix ratio should not exceed a 10 % decrease at a time. For example if to start with a 2mg Suboxone then you mix 1.8 mg Suboxone with .2mg aspirin.
The thing is a 2mg dose of Suboxone is in a pill that weighs about 100mg due to fillers and other stuff. So the real numbers to start would be about 90mg Suboxone and 10 mg aspirin. When you are stable at that dose, at least a week, then go down another 10%, stabilize then do it again. What I found is that even at these low doses I would hit a Plateau and it would take several weeks to break through. Don’t get discouraged it will happen.
Hang in there and you will make it. I’m praying for you
Bob
I am on day 3, past the worst of it and also worked all day every day in construction. My friends and family are crazy proud of me already and I feel really good about being 3 days clean
Update I'm over a month clean and feel back to normal. You can do this whoever is reading!!
Update ?
You are amazing! Thank you for sharing your story and for inviting us in to be apart of this. You're right, this is a fight. A fight for life. We've lost so many to addiction. Most don't want to be addicted and are just trying to feel normal. I Kno this Pain. I too am an addict who became addicted by a doctor, body pain & low will power.
The pain and discomfort from withdrawal is much more akin to a gunshot wound than the flu. People will do crazy things, commit crimes, etc to get opiates.. But it’s not to feel good, or high, it’s to prevent the horrific pain.
Yes I went thru that I'm clean now
Clay Robert that is sooo correct -- just to feel normal -- not about getting high....
@@dinaaprea8614 exactly been thru it, and u use just to get over the pain it's so devasting it ruins u as a human being it breaks ure inner self, u become a monster an animal a machine
@@dinaaprea8614 in 8 years using heroine dayli, I'm finally clean this is my 5th month clean and I never want to to relapse
@Panthers Fan That's the difference between addiction and dependency. Patients that are taking their meds as prescribed to ameliorate their pain become dependent. If their meds are stopped, they will go through withdrawal but they don't have cravings. Recreational users that are chasing a buzz become addicted. If they can't get the drug, they will go through withdrawal AND develop cravings for the buzz.
I was shot in the chest in 2003, by the Grace of God, and against ALL ODDS, I lived. Upon waking from a 2 week coma and then subsequent discharge from the hospital, I was prescribed 160 Mgs. of OxyContin twice daily,(BID)..
In about 2 months I began to feel high so the first thing I did was remove the script I had for breakthrough pain. Vicodin as needed...... Then I began tapering by removing 80 mgs. before bed. Then again about 2 months later same story so I removed 80mgs. in the morning dose as well.
Then in about the same time parameters I reduced the doses to 40mgs. In the same manner, first with the evening dose then with the morning dose.
Finally I was at 20 mgs. twice daily of time released OxyContin. This tapering took the better part of 2 years. I tried to go lower but 20 mgs. was the smallest dose of time relief that was made. So, even though my tolerance increased and that dosage was less effective I refused to increase it or add anything for the breakthrough pain. Then my insurance company decided they would no longer cover the time release OxyContin and only cover the immediate release. So now 16 years later I take 3, 15 mg. tabs per day.
I’ll never be able to have any quality of life without it. My pain from a severely damaged lung and pleura that is now scar tissue, a compromised circulatory system as my subclavian vein was mutilated, and a shattered clavicle that never healed properly cause me pain daily. I thank God for the low grade dosage of pain meds that I am able to take to not live in agony. I’m not pain free but I can be a functioning-member of society.
My point, some people who have experienced chronic injuries and survived will need pain meds for the rest of our lives. With discipline, caring physicians and the Grace of God, it is possible.
Thx for listening!
WOW... Very Surprising there isn’t a Ton of comments connected to your story. I REALLY R E A L L Y feel your situation. My accident wasn’t as bad as that, but I’m in a similar situation. Here’s what I can’t really figure out; tell me your opinion. For somebody like you, who Obviously has been in searing pain for Years, WHY do they want you All The Way Off The OC?? I mean; why do YOU want to be off it completely too? As someone who has Tried And FAILED to Taper Down and then Off at least 2x I can tell you I’m more stable and under control since getting back OFF THE WAGON (meaning of course: I’m back on the meds). Since I made that decision I think I’m doing a Lot Better. God Bless Brother. Best of Luck.
I just read your comment again and I guess I misread it initially, (where you say “I thank God I’m able...”). I guess I misunderstood you. Certainly the MDs have a Very Different attitude about this than we do.
Alan Werner .... still take low grade oxy daily, always will! Hang tough! Be honest WITH YOURSELF and thank God for quality of life!
@@alanwerner8563 kratom...kratom...kratom.........I cant stress it enough........if its legal in your state....now of course they are trying to ban it....why? bc its the depopulation agenda....prescribe get us hooked then take it away alot of ppl kill themselves bc its that bad........but check into kratom it works.
@@tammyporter4848 Where do you get it because last I checked Amazon quit selling it?
Amazing video which really touched me.
Without this video I wouldn’t of made it. I was on 1/2 that dosage. I suffered through 1 hellish black week of withdrawals. Thank you so much. 3 weeks clean. Now on Vivitrol
Are you still on Vivitral?
people who have bad chronic pain literally have no choice
There are my friend , Take Kratom , its plant and can help you withdrawal from opioid easily, pain reliever etc , i swear it works ...
@@arifsudarsono6509 Wow! Did you ever miss the point. Chronic pain patients are NOT addicts. They don't need a cure from addiction. They need medication, the same way that someone with diabetes or hypertension does.
@@saraharrison6836 U miss understood lady , kratom is herb and multipurpose plant , it can be pain reliever also for chronic pain , have u heard it ?
@@saraharrison6836 Now DEA and FDA want to Ban it !!! , a lot of people's testimonials out there who can live like normal from chronic pain after take this plant , fibromyalgia , chrohn disease , MS , Back pain , u name it ....
@@arifsudarsono6509 I am a member online of a group of chronic pain suffers who are mobilizing. Consumer watching congress and the media; pressuring our local politicians; and signing petitions. All of this hysteria began with one politician's wife whose kid stole her drugs and died. If one person set off this witch hunt on doctors and chronic pain patients, we can turn the tide back. Lots of suffering. It is hard for us physically. But, we need to unite to bring sanity and compassion.