Reggie Miller is a good dude. When his gut feel take is wrong, and he realizes it, he admits it, owns it, corrects himself and moves on with a good laugh.
it's weird because he was largely known for being a thug on the court but the NBA let it get to that point, he would've cleaned up well (changed his tactics) in this era.
Reggie Miller is a delight to listen to..... he has this sort of pause and then tell it all style thats so genuine... feel like he is talking to you directly...
Yeah I always knew Laimbeer got more time on the court plays and action than Rob but the gap in points between the two is better in Laimbeer's favor. Robert is all time best 6th man in the NBA with 7 rings.
"Big Shot Bob" is living testament of Red Auerbach's adage: "It doesn't matter how many points you'd scored. It's how you scored the points." He made the most of being the recipient of double-teaming caused by his all-star teammates. On one end, MJ23 enjoyed the best of both ends: Scoring in bundles plus the game-changing (if not the game-winning) shot.
Reggie is a real smart dude - always like his analysis. It is comical how people are still abscessed with Laimbeer even today ... he really got into everyone's head.
Bill Laimbeer's HOF resume. Final Four at Notre Dame, the only one they ever had. NBA rebound champion. 2nd best rebounder in the 1980s. Better than 80 percent shooting at the FT line for a center. Long consecutive games played . Great outside shooter for a big man. 3 NBA Finals. 4 time All Star. 2 time NBA champion. 5 times coached a team to the WNBA Finals. 3 time WNBA champion. 2 time best record in WNBA. Took 2 franchises to WNBA Finals. Took 3 teams to the WNBA playoffs. So how is Teresa Weather spoon, Becky Hammon, Dawn Staley in the HOF when they never won a WNBA title and Laimbeer has NBA and WNBA 5 rings? Hell, how is Swing Cash in the HOF and Deanna Nolan is not?
@@lavarivy2259 EXACTLY! He formed a dynasty in Detroit. Of the 6 NBA and WNBA titles the city of Detroit had won, Laimbeer has his hands on 5 of those rings, more than anyone associated with the Pistons or Shock.
It's NOT THE "NBA HOF!" It's the "Basketball HOF." So you have to include Bill Laimbeer's other basketball accomplishments, he was an outstanding WNBA coach with multiple titles.
@Trzn 2 Well the point is the HOF is not just isolating someone's "NBA career." Oscar Schmidt never played a single NBA game, just played in the Olympics, and he's in the HOF... That's the point we're making about Laimbeer, you have to look at all basketball accomplishments.
Bill Laimbeer is one of the leaders along with Zeke of a two time championship team that demolished Bird's Celtics and Jordan's Bulls. People don't like him that is why he is not a HoF
@@depannist True, but it was not all dirty plays. Laimbeer was also one of the most skilled centers. He was averaging slightly higher than 45-35-80 splits during his peak.
I've been a pistons fan for 62 years. I am especially proud that the bad boys were the first team after boston and the lakers who won back to back championships. Bill Lambier, as much as Isaih thomas ran that team. The most hated player in BB., and yet the player ANY team would want. If he played in boston (i think this a quote from either kevin mcale, or john salley "if he played for boston he'd be voted one of the best who ever played for boston and he's be voted favorite celtic by more poeple other than bird.(yes more votes than bill russell)'
You should be proud of the Bad Boys. Y'all didn't have MJ or Magic or Bird. Isiah is an all time great but he was so little. Pistons did what they had to do to win.
Put some respect on Ben Wallace. Im old enough where I watched both play and while I’ll always be a Bill Laimbeer fan, he didn’t impact the game like Ben Wallace.
@@Txjumpman yeah, but I can't understand why everybody talk about Ben or Billups but for some reason they hate Sheed. I'm a Spurs fan since they drafted Ginobili who was my favorite player here in Italy back then, and I think that without Sheed's foul trouble the Pistons probably can win game 7.
Im brasilian 🇧🇷 I used to live in Boston about 1987 to 1992 but God Bill Laimbeer was much more than a tough player he was a first center who was really great to make 3 points in the 3 finals he player outstanding games and he deserves be in HOF ...It is politic nothing more than that...
People forget the alpha on that team was Mahorn He had a bruising style. Remember the original bad boys were Mahorn and Jeff Rulsnd Washington bullets. With Greg Ballard the other forward they were known as the “bruise brothers.” In Detroit Mahorn had a new bruise bro in John salary bill lambeer and Yvon Joseph along with Dennis Rodman was an improved version of the “ bruise brothers 2.0 with a new monicker the “ bad boys.” The bad boys start with Mahorn make no mistake and you notice players from that era bird, Jordan will call out lambeer but not the alpha, the leader Rick Mahorn. Probably for a very good reason. He would visit them. And say he was just being “friendly.” The original bad boy always had a way with words when he did speak. But Mahorn & ruland was absolutely beasts in the first incarnation in Washington. Never forgot the bruise brothers. 🤐🤭
It was Laimbeer and Mahorn, Mahorn wasn't the alpha. It was a two-headed monster. Just cuz Reg hated him more doesn't mean anything........Laimbeer was dirtier than Mahorn.
Larry put it best: "Mahorn hit you but you knew you were getting hit, he didn't try to maim you (though Mo Cheeks may disagree with that as Mahorn once knocked him out cold with a screen😂) Bill tried to hurt you ".
I feel like I'm in the twilight zone. I am a black man and there is no way Ben Wallace should have made the Hall of Fame before Bill Laimbeer. The only stats Ben beat Bill in is blocks and steals, Laimbeer beats him in every other area. Laimbeer averaged close to a double-double for his career at 12.9 pts/ 9.7 rebs a game. Laimbeer could still get you a double-double until the last couple of years when his minutes were cut by almost 10 min. a game and his mobility wasn't the same. Laimbeer could play in any era and was excellent in his own. We have to start putting some respect on these other guys' names. MJ, Magic, Bird, and Dr. J were not the only great players to pick up a basketball in the last 75 years.
The Hall Of Fame shouldn't be a popularity contest. I hated Bill Lambier but I'm very surprised that he's not in the HOF because he obviously deserves to be there. I watched him destroy my Blazers all by himself in 1990, he hit big shots, and was a defensive genius mostly for just being able to get his opponent's off their game by getting in their head. Give the man his much deserved props.
People forget that the whole Bad Boys thing came about because Isaiah and Dumars were constantly getting mugged and never getting calls. Look at the way McHale and Parish used to go after them in those Eastern conference playoffs and regular season games. Parrish and McHale were just as big of goons as Mahorn and Lainbeer. Then Detroit realized they were never going to get any respect from the league because the league wash pushing Magic vs Bird and then Jordan became the golden boy. So the Pistons got physical and took what they were due.
PLEASE do not put Robert Horry in the Hall of Fame. He thinks he could've D-ed up Scottie Pippen and told Tracy McGrady you need to "earn your rings" as if HE was responsible for his rings. For a guy who averaged 7 and 5 for his career, his ego is healthy enough...
if all you say is true, can we please stop calling Draymond Green a future Hall of Famer???? If Draymond gets in, Horry should get in. Horry wasn't called "Big Shot Bob" for no reason.
@@darylshackelford3673 haha well I know you probably don't like Draymond...but I have bad news for you: he is going to end up in the Hall of Fame. The fact of the matter is that the basketball Hall of Fame is really the Hall of Very Good (and sometimes not even that) and is far too easy to get into. Draymond is a 4 time All-Star, 7 time All Defense, a Defensive Player of the Year and played on 4 championship teams. As far as the basketball HOF goes...that's more than enough. And Robert Horry is not even close to being in the same league (despite what Robert Horry thinks). He is a zero time all-star, zero time All-anything, has zero individual awards...and for long stretches of his career wasn't even a starter. He's a guy who averaged 7 and 5 who played with a bunch of great players who got doubled at the end of games, so he was open for some big shots. Anyways, sorry for the rant.
I've been Piston fan since the 80s. I loooove Laimbeer. "If Laimbeer was a Celtic, he'd be the most popular player in Boston history" -John Salley. But he isn't hall of fame worthy. Ben Wallace? Absolutely deserved getting in! He changed the game and no one talks about it enough! League changed to these soft rules AFTER the 04 season because they set every defensive record in the shot clock era. Those poor Lakers walked face first into a buzzsaw. He made defense beautiful to watch (sorry Spurs beautiful offense).
You are so full of sh__. By a mile. I wish you were next to me so I can slap you. The Celtics would never have a piece of garbage like Laimbeer on their team let alone the that he would do well. I am a die hard Notre Dame fan. Disgusted that this piece of garbage wore a ND jersey. He was a hack. Which comes from lack of talent. Very disrespected around the league except with piece of garbage Pistons fans who have little expectations. Look at Detroit as a city and the parallels stick. McHale could post and score. Laimbeer puts his foot down at a spot where the opposing player would step so he injured his ankle. If you and Dan Patrick, who I’m disappointed in, see him as a hall of gamer just ask yourself why he doesn’t have the respect of any team to allow him to coach there. I’d love to slap that piece of garbage Laimbeer for staining an NBA inform.
@@depannist i am biased ....no one i speak with ever mentions Ben lol ever..great rebounder ? yes best among the best but this is about defeng shots taken
There's some people that believe that the NBA conspired to break up the bad boys after the first championship that's how Rick mahorn ended up in Philadelphia
If it wasn't for the expansion draft, the Pistons don't lose Mahorn, and the Bulls do not win the championship in 1991. The expansion draft really benefited Jordan and made it possible for him to win the championship in a watered down league.
@@overratedgm5713 Wrong. Jordan still would've went crying to David Stern, and gotten him to change the rules, so they could no longer play their "Jordan Rules", and Mahorn (and he has said so in other videos) would've gone right along with Isiah, and walked off. Mahorn wouldn't have shaken hands with Jordan either. Jordan got him after he was in Philly in both the 1990 and 1991 playoffs.
Even if you didn't like him because he didn't play for your team I'm sure you wouldn't mind having him on it? That style he played was how the NBA was played back then real tough!! He should be in the Hall of Fame regardless if u like him or not.
Those who saw the BB Piston Champion Seasons know that Bill Laimbeer should be in the Hall of Fame. He was tough but very talented too. He was so entertaining and a threat both offensively and defensively. The Detroit Pistons should push for this...It is only fair!
I saw them, and I don’t think Bill belongs in the HOF. Yes, he was a very good player, more than just a thug. But not every good player goes to the hall. The HOF is for the truly exceptional player, the generational talents, the people who change the game. Laimbeer just is not a HOFer.
@@76JStucki bro people like chris mullin, sabonis, divac are in the hof. bill automatically gets in then. if you talking about success, you have losers like mcgrady who never did anything except put up a flashy game and reg season pts in the hall of fame. pretty much when you have ppl like that in there you cant really argue bill is not in there
I have watched every NBA finals since 1965 and I think lambeer had to play dirty because he was a shitty player .Draymond can dribble and drive. Lambeer could not. He could not block a shot so people drove to the bucket on him. Watch all the dunks on him. Secondly, he was flat footed and had no post game. All he had was a shot and as far as rebounding all you had to do was turn you r back and block out. Most of his rebounds were on the defensive side of the ball. Offensive rebounds are much harder. He could not guard anyone today. There are so many better and more mobile centers. I would have loved to see him try to pull his shit on Willis Reed. He would have kicked Lambeer's ass. Reed was better at every aspect of the game and also had a wonderful outside shot. Lambeer got his just reward. He is not in the HOF(no one rewards a thug). He did not get a coaching job. He was basically kicked out of the league for being a total asshole. You know that this gets under his sj kin no matter what he says.
@@Rodanguirus in my opinion he was 2nd best center in Pistons history, mostly because he had more success with the Bucks than Detroit. Wallace is 3rd in my book.
With today's sports conditioning, Bill Laimbeer would be another Nicola Jokic in today's league. Rick Mahorn was the true enforcer of the Pistons, not Bill Laimbeer.
Smart move by Dumars to warn Reggie of Mahorn -- probably knew he would try to attack anyway! Mad respect for Joe Dumars ... hated the rest of the Bad Boys! :)
Hearing Patrick say Laimbeer was a much better player made my stock in his basketball opinion drop by miles. Only a good offball defender??? He stopped Shaq with the ball in the post and was quick enough to switch if they wanted. And "maybe" rebounding??? One of the best rebounders the game has seen. Like reg said maybe Laimbeer was more skilled offensively but defensively and rebounding wise it's not even close. The idea Laimbeer is a "much better player" is ludicrous bordering on asinine.
Lambeer averaged 9.7 rebounds. Wallace 9.6..Lambeer 13 points Wallace 6. Hey I loved both. But Lambeer wasn't sleeping on Defense. He was instrumental in Portlands collapse at home. With their Bigs being to agitated and not focused. Lambeer and the Pistons would have beaten Wallace and his Pistons. Had more talent and a better 1 /2 centers. James Edward's was pretty good. You think the Celtics were alter boys? The 80" were the best time for NBA. Because of team and frankly toughness. One on one. Teaming up like LeBron does. Basketball has been ruined by BS since. Draymond Green is a throwback. Now anyone who uses his physicality is a goon. Which is so dumb.
What planet is Dan patrick on there is no way laimbeer was better than Ben Wallace. Ben changed the piston franchise and was the driving force of the team and he’s a 4 time defensive player of the year are u kidding me.
What the hell? Lambier over Ben Wallace???! Ben Wallace was absolutely limited offensively. But the man is a 4x DPOY and did so while playing in arguably the most talented era of Centers and power forwards of all time. Ben was able to give Shaq a respectable challenge. If Shaq played against Lambier (in any era) Shaq is going to ragdoll him. BBQ chicken! The fact that a 4x dpoy and formidable shot blocker is being questioned in favor of a guy who could hack a lot and shoot a little bit is surprising to me
They should have won 4! The league created the "bad boys" they were tired of getting cheated so they took matters to the level they needed to in order to get the results they deserved. This team had a better win percentage over Boston, LA, and Chicago.... Enough said
Have to heartily agree, Dan. For whatever reason, the league turned on the BB after their first Championship win. And it has nothing to do with playing dirty. Watch any rivalry during the 80s and you'll see all kinds of rough play coming from other than the Pistons!
Big Game Bob averaged not 8 ppg - he averaged 7 ppg for his career. Also 4.8 rpg. His best single season, he averaged 12.0 ppg for Houston, starting all 71 games he played that season. His best rebounding season, he averaged 7.5 rpg for the Lakers. Laimbeer averaged 12.9 ppg and 9.7 rpg for his entire career, with several seasons averaging around 17 ppg and 12 rpg. Horry totaled 7,715 career points and 5,269 career rebounds - Laimbeer totaled 13,790 career points and 10,400 career rebounds. Laimbeer almost doubled Horry's career totals, playing in fewer games than Horry did, because Laimbeer was a starter for his entire career, while Horry was mostly a role player that came off the bench. I personally don't think EITHER should be in the HOF on their stats - Laimbeer played on a title-winning team and had a major role getting that team to it's 2 titles. Not just from one shot a game, but for the majority of games. He is miles ahead of Horry in deserving the HOF......
I agree. Based strictly on their playing careers I wouldn't place either in the HoF, but Laimbeer (much as I dislike him) definitely has a stronger claim than Horry.
Terrible career?? Really? That’s the word that you choose? The guy played in the league for 16 years and was a uniquely important piece to 7 championship teams. No he wasn’t a Hall of Famer, but he’s one of the greatest ROLE players in the history of the game.
@@Riles3152 as far as NBA careers, outside a few big shots he was well below average, stats don't lie bud. I'm not hating, I think he is a really good guy and great teamate, but he never sniffed a good year, much less a good career.
Ben Wallace was the ONLY ALL STAR & All NBA player on both of his Finals appearances. With 2 of his 4 DPOYS before Sheed joined the team. Imagine the Warriors going to the Finals with Dray as the Only All Star & All NBA player on his team 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 Also, Ben has 3 top 10 MVP finishes. BEN IS 5X ALL NBA
I am a Detroit fan, but Wallace was not a HOF player. Of that Detroit team, the only player whose basketball resume speaks HOF was Rip Hamilton, a NCAA champion, a Final Four MOP and a NBA All Star who broke Isiah Thomas' team career playoff scoring record.
@@blacknetsmed Ben Wallace was the biggest liability. In 2006 they won 64 games, lost to Miami because Pat Riley took advantage of his poor foul shooting. He was a one dimensional guy, hardly a HOF talent.
@@123slasher.16 Yeah, I'm not sure ben was the best player on those great Pistons teams in the mid 2000s....I'd maybe lean towards chauncey or Rip for that. I think Ben is deserving of being in the HOF, but I can't look passed how terrible he was offensively...He really couldn't score at all unless it was a layup or a dunk, and was a terrible FT shooter. He also had a very short prime (only about 5 years of peak greatness), so there's that. I feel like he is deserving of being in, but if he's in, Bill should be too...and maybe Chauncey and Rip
Rick Mahorn was the initial Bad Boy, came on the team and took Lamb, Dennis & comp. under his wings and taught them how to do it. He was exceptionally strong so he wasn’t fighting all the time, because he would just kill somebody there.
Rick Mahorn was not the first Bad Boy. Laimbeer got there in 82 and he already had a reputation. Mahorn got there in 85, and he was fat and out of shape and didn’t want to play in Detroit. He and Laimbeer butted heads until Mahorn got motivated. Isiah and Bill were the two guys who set the culture. Mahorn was a great addition to what they were already building.
Being the best player and winning an awards are two different things. We know Kobe Bryant is a better basketball player than Steve Nash but Steve Nash has two MVPs
@@drexlspivey3047 lol so you would say klay Thompson more athletic than Kobe, draymond more athletic than Shawn kemp, Devon Booker more athletic than ray Allen?
@@drexlspivey3047 100 times better than today. Rather see guys throw elbows than guys do little dances after making threes or flopping. Today is more shoot behind the line ball than basketball.
The late 80's NBA was a tough man's league. Most teams tried to have a player that acted as an enforcer: Parrish for the Celtics come to mind. But teams other than the Pistons delegated that role to a single player. ALL the Pistons bought into that roll. It is just that Lambeer did it better than all the rest. Dirty? I don't know. If you do game films and know the guy is going to foul you hard if you come into the paint, and he does, why would you take offense to that. Play a different style to beat him out of his realm. Play outside away form him. Set plays to draw him out from the paint. You know, use your head to beat him. Like Lambeer was doing to your game. He played the game within the then current rules. Then the rules changed, and Jordan got to have his day. Lambeer deserves to be in the HOF for what he accomplished with the Pistons. He deserves a plaque in the HOF for his coaching also.
Bill Laimbeer was the better player but Ben Wallace was a way better defender overall. So, considering they would both be role players. Ben’s defensive ability may provide more for a team and be more effective than Bill Laimbeer’s overall contribution.
Bill was not a role player he was just as much a leader on the court and off as was Isaiah. Ben was great defensively but so was Laimbeer (granted not as good as Wallace) but Laimbeer was so better at every other part of the game. Although i love Wallace he really was a 1 dimensional player.
Bill Laimbeer must be in the hall of fame. Everybody played rough. Remember Heat and New York? Bill had a good all around game and a leader as well very durable. Kids certainly would better themselves if they look at his skills and hard work in getting rebounds and playing defense.
Both Reggie and Dan have some weird opinions. Laimbeer was a much better offensive player than Wallace but inferior in every other way, including defensively and as a rebounder. But Laimbeer was certainly better than Horry, who was a career underachiever who only woke up at certain points in the playoffs.
FALSE... Laimbeer was rebound king two years in a row.. Would've been three more years had he not been forced to share rebounds with the best rebounder in NBA history....
@@alanduff1054 Laimbeer led the league in rebounding only once, '85-'86. By greatest rebounder in history I assume you mean Dennis Rodman, but he wasn't posting big rebounding numbers until his fourth season, when Laimbeer was past his prime.
No I think sometimes build a ability got overshadow billion bear was a great big man. He was a skill big man that only got appreciated later on when the NBA game changed so they're picking part of the stretch forward and all that laying bed was doing that way back then you know and he was tough for feisty player
Reggie Miller was more fearful of Mahorn than Laimbeer because he knew Mahorn with that "look in his eyes" would have physically beaten him up. Laimbeer was all bark, no bite!
The basketball HOF makes no sense -- Bill Laimbeer not being in there shows it's a political game and Laimbeer wasn't a politician or trying to get people to like him; showing you it has nothing to do with basketball. Laimbeer and Vinnie Johnson should be in the Hall of Fame. No way Ben Wallace could be effective as a player guarding Kareem, Robert Parish, McHale, Ewing, Moses Malone, etc... Ben Wallace was good vs. Shaq because Shaq was out of shape and limited at the foul line so he couldn't really punish you with his skills over 48 minutes, just brute force, which was Wallace's strength. You should never compare Ben Wallace with Bill Laimbeer because Laimbeer was the first stretch-4 who was clutch at the foul line, a better passer, and better in the pick-and-roll situations. You could compare Wallace to Rodman, but not Laimbeer.
if Robert Horry somehow makes it into the hof then guys like Steve kerr and Derek Fisher might as well be hof too, having alot of rings doesn't mean they were great players maybe just solid role players
And that's it - those 8 points were deadly - Horry might have 4 points entering the last 5 minutes of the game but those other 4 or 5 points inside of those last few minutes were going to kill your spirit - dude was a better clutch player then a lot of these so called clutch performers (not naming any names tho 😂) - he took less clutch shots than other guys but hit more percentage wise - Horry belongs in the Hall of Fame simply because of the big moments and big shots
I would put Bill Cosby in the Basketball Hall of Fame before I put Bill Laimbeer in. Anyone who deliberately tries to end people's careers will never be considered by me.
If Lamber had just made hard fouls he would be in the Hall of Fame. Lamber when for the face, stuck feet under other players feet to turn ankles, Under cut Patrich Ewning, tackled Larry Bird and many other plays that could hurt other players. You do not put someone like that in the hall of fame.
Bill Laimbeer was just one of the few centers, during his time, that could shoot from the 3 pt. line pretty well. His average 3 pt % was 28 to 33 percent. Apart from that, all his other statistics were of decent NBA players, like bench players I'd say. But to put him in the Hall of Fame? Nah, there are WAY too many players that could get into the Hall of Fame before Laimbeer. But he should NEVER be inducted into it. If this happens, then the human race has no hope of evolving and just avoiding inevitable stupidity lol
Mahorn had dirty little tricks to disrupt his opponents game, but wasn't intended to hurt anyone. Like a bump with his butt to knock his opponent for a loop. However, Laimbeer played dirty with the intent to hurt his opponents. I can respect Mahorn's play, but not Laimbeer's.
Reggie Miller is a good dude. When his gut feel take is wrong, and he realizes it, he admits it, owns it, corrects himself and moves on with a good laugh.
Reggie Miller played against Laimbeer and inside he’s like “F that MF”.
Laimbeer would be awesome in today's game. He was great at pick and pop. Really good 3 point shooter for a center
first stretch 5
it's weird because he was largely known for being a thug on the court but the NBA let it get to that point, he would've cleaned up well (changed his tactics) in this era.
@@samuellp1146 Laimbeer played PF.
@@samuellp1146 well there are more thugs playing in the NBA than ever before so he would fit in perfectly. Hell he might even start rapping like them.
@@markuyehara7880 whaaaat? Is that what they call centers in the NBA now? Show me where he played as only a PF please.
Reggie Miller is a delight to listen to..... he has this sort of pause and then tell it all style thats so genuine... feel like he is talking to you directly...
Reggie is like your best friend in high-school.
I didn't even know Rob scored that little. He really is just a good role player that hit big shots in the playoffs
Yeah I always knew Laimbeer got more time on the court plays and action than Rob but the gap in points between the two is better in Laimbeer's favor. Robert is all time best 6th man in the NBA with 7 rings.
"Big Shot Bob" is living testament of Red Auerbach's adage:
"It doesn't matter how many points you'd scored. It's how you scored the points."
He made the most of being the recipient of double-teaming caused by his all-star teammates.
On one end, MJ23 enjoyed the best of both ends: Scoring in bundles plus the game-changing (if not the game-winning) shot.
Yea it’s wild he only scored 7,700 points. There’s no way they can put him in the HoF with those numbers regardless of how many rings he won.
He was on the "right place right time" teams his whole career.
Bill Lambier was a fucking stud and should be in the HOF
He should get in there. If you include his coaching career too!
He should, just for that interview where he trashes golden boy Jordan lol. And I love Jordan but that was sweet
😂😂😂
No he shouldn’t be
@@Zero_Da_Hero no he’s not a HOF player
Reggie is a real smart dude - always like his analysis. It is comical how people are still abscessed with Laimbeer even today ... he really got into everyone's head.
Nobody from that era likes Laimbeer because he was always beating the shit out of them. Let's call it what it is.
It's cuz he played dirty and tried to hurt people. People don't feel the same about players that beat them a lot more like Mike, Magic and Larry.
@@JK-br1mu Let's not act like he was a hack and that's it. It was all calculated. Media exaggerates it. He put up numbers too.
@@nathanlawson313 he was a dirty player who should have been beaten into a coma by about four 280-lb guys, but yes, he had some offensive skills too.
😂😂😂 Anyone who saw him play knows it's not exaggerated.
One the best shooters, rebounder, and defensive NO NONSENSE HARD PHYSICAL BASKETBALL... THAT'S what it IZ...
Bill Laimbeer's HOF resume.
Final Four at Notre Dame, the only one they ever had.
NBA rebound champion.
2nd best rebounder in the 1980s.
Better than 80 percent shooting at the FT line for a center.
Long consecutive games played .
Great outside shooter for a big man.
3 NBA Finals.
4 time All Star.
2 time NBA champion.
5 times coached a team to the WNBA Finals.
3 time WNBA champion.
2 time best record in WNBA.
Took 2 franchises to WNBA Finals.
Took 3 teams to the WNBA playoffs.
So how is Teresa Weather spoon, Becky Hammon, Dawn Staley in the HOF when they never won a WNBA title and Laimbeer has NBA and WNBA 5 rings?
Hell, how is Swing Cash in the HOF and Deanna Nolan is not?
Don't forget, once hit six 3s in a single game of NBA finals!
...as a Center ...in the 80s
@@nathanlawson313 Laimbeer gas a better HOF resume than Bill Walton or Robert Parish.
I'm glad you brought up his WNBA success. It's a basketball hall of fame and that counts. He should be in the hall of fame no doubt
@@lavarivy2259 EXACTLY!
He formed a dynasty in Detroit.
Of the 6 NBA and WNBA titles the city of Detroit had won, Laimbeer has his hands on 5 of those rings, more than anyone associated with the Pistons or Shock.
How is he not in the HoF ? Maybe because he played and acted like a despicable pos most of his nba career ?
Those of us in the D, know what a stud Bill is.
Laimbeer definitely should be in The Hall Of Fame
It's NOT THE "NBA HOF!" It's the "Basketball HOF." So you have to include Bill Laimbeer's other basketball accomplishments, he was an outstanding WNBA coach with multiple titles.
Even without his W NbA accomplishments HOF easily....
@Trzn 2 Well the point is the HOF is not just isolating someone's "NBA career." Oscar Schmidt never played a single NBA game, just played in the Olympics, and he's in the HOF... That's the point we're making about Laimbeer, you have to look at all basketball accomplishments.
@Trzn 2 Those ladies will kick the asses of ANY male eighth grade team...
@Trzn 2 14 year old boys is technically a freshman in High school so that's different... lol
@Trzn 2 And just because I'm attracted to lesbian women don't mean they can brainwash me...
When I was younger, being a Bulls fan, I hated Reggie. Now that I'm older, I can appreciate how honest and candid he is.
Bill Laimbeer is one of the leaders along with Zeke of a two time championship team that demolished Bird's Celtics and Jordan's Bulls. People don't like him that is why he is not a HoF
People don’t like him because he was the face of the Piston’s dirty style of play.
@@depannist True, but it was not all dirty plays. Laimbeer was also one of the most skilled centers. He was averaging slightly higher than 45-35-80 splits during his peak.
@@vikramkrishnan6414 yes he was a good player, but that was overshadowed by his antics.
@@depannist True
... "demolished Bird's Celtics"..? 😂😂😂
Bill Laimbeer career points: 13,790
Robert Horry career points: 7,715
Yeah Laimbeer for sure
There used to be a Bad Boys tshirt with Mahorn and Laimbeer with cartoon heads back in the day. 😂
Joe Dumars had class and sportsmanship. I wouldn't call him a Bad Boy. He was awesome, but I never saw him as a Bad Boy.
I've been a pistons fan for 62 years. I am especially proud that the bad boys were the first team after boston and the lakers who won back to back championships. Bill Lambier, as much as Isaih thomas ran that team. The most hated player in BB., and yet the player ANY team would want. If he played in boston (i think this a quote from either kevin mcale, or john salley "if he played for boston he'd be voted one of the best who ever played for boston and he's be voted favorite celtic by more poeple other than bird.(yes more votes than bill russell)'
Try English next time
@@TL2354 too busy being a bad boy
You should be proud of the Bad Boys. Y'all didn't have MJ or Magic or Bird. Isiah is an all time great but he was so little. Pistons did what they had to do to win.
Dont forget... Boston was as "dirty" which is where the Pistons learned their style in order to get through them.
@@1011skarn projection looks sooo good on you..chuck daley is the yassir arafat of the nba
Put some respect on Ben Wallace. Im old enough where I watched both play and while I’ll always be a Bill Laimbeer fan, he didn’t impact the game like Ben Wallace.
I would take Sheed every day of my life over big Ben, Sheed was something else.
@@trakkadda sheed was one of the most skilled players to ever play in this league. But the topic was about bill laimbeer over Ben Wallace.
@@Txjumpman yeah, but I can't understand why everybody talk about Ben or Billups but for some reason they hate Sheed. I'm a Spurs fan since they drafted Ginobili who was my favorite player here in Italy back then, and I think that without Sheed's foul trouble the Pistons probably can win game 7.
@@trakkadda Yeah but it probably doesnt even get to game 7 if Sheed would've just stayed on Horry in game 5 lol!
@@boommack yeah but game 5 was a strange game, I believe that Sheed's mistake was as bad as Duncan miss so maybe we can call it even.
hahaha I never forget the commentary against the 76ers...Laimbeer with a uppercut...like it was a boxing match..hahahha
Im brasilian 🇧🇷 I used to live in Boston about 1987 to 1992 but God Bill Laimbeer was much more than a tough player he was a first center who was really great to make 3 points in the 3 finals he player outstanding games and he deserves be in HOF ...It is politic nothing more than that...
People forget the alpha on that team was Mahorn He had a bruising style. Remember the original bad boys were Mahorn and Jeff Rulsnd Washington bullets. With Greg Ballard the other forward they were known as the “bruise brothers.” In Detroit Mahorn had a new bruise bro in John salary bill lambeer and Yvon Joseph along with Dennis Rodman was an improved version of the “ bruise brothers 2.0 with a new monicker the “ bad boys.” The bad boys start with Mahorn make no mistake and you notice players from that era bird, Jordan will call out lambeer but not the alpha, the leader Rick Mahorn. Probably for a very good reason. He would visit them. And say he was just being “friendly.” The original bad boy always had a way with words when he did speak. But Mahorn & ruland was absolutely beasts in the first incarnation in Washington. Never forgot the bruise brothers. 🤐🤭
This is great to know, I’ll do my research because this is before my time. Good take!
Now the real bruise brothers was Robert Probert and Joey kosher Detroit Red Wings
It was Laimbeer and Mahorn, Mahorn wasn't the alpha. It was a two-headed monster. Just cuz Reg hated him more doesn't mean anything........Laimbeer was dirtier than Mahorn.
Larry put it best: "Mahorn hit you but you knew you were getting hit, he didn't try to maim you (though Mo Cheeks may disagree with that as Mahorn once knocked him out cold with a screen😂) Bill tried to hurt you ".
I feel like I'm in the twilight zone. I am a black man and there is no way Ben Wallace should have made the Hall of Fame before Bill Laimbeer. The only stats Ben beat Bill in is blocks and steals, Laimbeer beats him in every other area. Laimbeer averaged close to a double-double for his career at 12.9 pts/ 9.7 rebs a game. Laimbeer could still get you a double-double until the last couple of years when his minutes were cut by almost 10 min. a game and his mobility wasn't the same. Laimbeer could play in any era and was excellent in his own. We have to start putting some respect on these other guys' names. MJ, Magic, Bird, and Dr. J were not the only great players to pick up a basketball in the last 75 years.
I would put Tom Chambers in before anyone mentioned
Not before Laimbeer or Wallace, his cardboard cutout played better defense.
Ah-hahahahaha
Um no
I would put your parents in jail for having you
I can't believe Tom Chambers is not in the Hall of Fame. That don't even make sense. I'm a piston fan and I love Tom chamber.
The Hall Of Fame shouldn't be a popularity contest.
I hated Bill Lambier but I'm very surprised that he's not in the HOF because he obviously deserves to be there.
I watched him destroy my Blazers all by himself in 1990, he hit big shots, and was a defensive genius mostly for just being able to get his opponent's off their game by getting in their head.
Give the man his much deserved props.
Bill was a garbage player..
I love Reggie. “ROBERT HOREY SHOULDN’T BE IN THE HALL OF FAME!”
Neither should Laimbeer based on your comment and comparison. Respectfully!
@@richardanderson3620 laimbeer was an allstar
Horry
@@russell2890 allstar bully
@@richardanderson3620 And how is that a bad thing?
People forget that the whole Bad Boys thing came about because Isaiah and Dumars were constantly getting mugged and never getting calls. Look at the way McHale and Parish used to go after them in those Eastern conference playoffs and regular season games. Parrish and McHale were just as big of goons as Mahorn and Lainbeer. Then Detroit realized they were never going to get any respect from the league because the league wash pushing Magic vs Bird and then Jordan became the golden boy. So the Pistons got physical and took what they were due.
PLEASE do not put Robert Horry in the Hall of Fame. He thinks he could've D-ed up Scottie Pippen and told Tracy McGrady you need to "earn your rings" as if HE was responsible for his rings. For a guy who averaged 7 and 5 for his career, his ego is healthy enough...
if all you say is true, can we please stop calling Draymond Green a future Hall of Famer???? If Draymond gets in, Horry should get in. Horry wasn't called "Big Shot Bob" for no reason.
@@darylshackelford3673 haha well I know you probably don't like Draymond...but I have bad news for you: he is going to end up in the Hall of Fame. The fact of the matter is that the basketball Hall of Fame is really the Hall of Very Good (and sometimes not even that) and is far too easy to get into. Draymond is a 4 time All-Star, 7 time All Defense, a Defensive Player of the Year and played on 4 championship teams. As far as the basketball HOF goes...that's more than enough. And Robert Horry is not even close to being in the same league (despite what Robert Horry thinks). He is a zero time all-star, zero time All-anything, has zero individual awards...and for long stretches of his career wasn't even a starter. He's a guy who averaged 7 and 5 who played with a bunch of great players who got doubled at the end of games, so he was open for some big shots. Anyways, sorry for the rant.
I've been Piston fan since the 80s. I loooove Laimbeer. "If Laimbeer was a Celtic, he'd be the most popular player in Boston history" -John Salley. But he isn't hall of fame worthy.
Ben Wallace? Absolutely deserved getting in! He changed the game and no one talks about it enough! League changed to these soft rules AFTER the 04 season because they set every defensive record in the shot clock era. Those poor Lakers walked face first into a buzzsaw. He made defense beautiful to watch (sorry Spurs beautiful offense).
You are so full of sh__. By a mile. I wish you were next to me so I can slap you. The Celtics would never have a piece of garbage like Laimbeer on their team let alone the that he would do well. I am a die hard Notre Dame fan. Disgusted that this piece of garbage wore a ND jersey. He was a hack. Which comes from lack of talent. Very disrespected around the league except with piece of garbage Pistons fans who have little expectations. Look at Detroit as a city and the parallels stick. McHale could post and score. Laimbeer puts his foot down at a spot where the opposing player would step so he injured his ankle. If you and Dan Patrick, who I’m disappointed in, see him as a hall of gamer just ask yourself why he doesn’t have the respect of any team to allow him to coach there. I’d love to slap that piece of garbage Laimbeer for staining an NBA inform.
And he did it within the rules. Laimbeer not so much
@@depannist i am biased ....no one i speak with ever mentions Ben lol ever..great rebounder ? yes best among the best but this is about defeng shots taken
ughh my grammer and your love for wallace has me convinced you watch tooo much tv
Waiting for Chauncey to get in the HOF
Reggie Miller was gifted some great genetics cause he hadn't aged a day, yet he's already 73 years old lol
57
He just turned 86 yesterday
The point is Ben and Bill were both Pistons. Stop avoiding the question Reggie.
There's some people that believe that the NBA conspired to break up the bad boys after the first championship that's how Rick mahorn ended up in Philadelphia
If it wasn't for the expansion draft, the Pistons don't lose Mahorn, and the Bulls do not win the championship in 1991. The expansion draft really benefited Jordan and made it possible for him to win the championship in a watered down league.
@@overratedgm5713 Wrong. Jordan still would've went crying to David Stern, and gotten him to change the rules, so they could no longer play their "Jordan Rules", and Mahorn (and he has said so in other videos) would've gone right along with Isiah, and walked off. Mahorn wouldn't have shaken hands with Jordan either. Jordan got him after he was in Philly in both the 1990 and 1991 playoffs.
Exactly right...you'd hate Laimbeer unless he was on your team.
Plus he played the Sleestak monster on Land of the Lost.
Even if you didn't like him because he didn't play for your team I'm sure you wouldn't mind having him on it? That style he played was how the NBA was played back then real tough!! He should be in the Hall of Fame regardless if u like him or not.
Im up late at night everyone else in bed and had to hold back the laughter on Reggie comments about Mahorn. LMAO
Those who saw the BB Piston Champion Seasons know that Bill Laimbeer should be in the Hall of Fame. He was tough but very talented too. He was so entertaining and a threat both offensively and defensively. The Detroit Pistons should push for this...It is only fair!
I saw them, and I don’t think Bill belongs in the HOF. Yes, he was a very good player, more than just a thug. But not every good player goes to the hall. The HOF is for the truly exceptional player, the generational talents, the people who change the game. Laimbeer just is not a HOFer.
@@76JStucki bro people like chris mullin, sabonis, divac are in the hof. bill automatically gets in then. if you talking about success, you have losers like mcgrady who never did anything except put up a flashy game and reg season pts in the hall of fame. pretty much when you have ppl like that in there you cant really argue bill is not in there
I have watched every NBA finals since 1965 and I think lambeer had to play dirty because he was a shitty player .Draymond can dribble and drive. Lambeer could not. He could not block a shot so people drove to the bucket on him. Watch all the dunks on him. Secondly, he was flat footed and had no post game. All he had was a shot and as far as rebounding all you had to do was turn you r back and block out. Most of his rebounds were on the defensive side of the ball. Offensive rebounds are much harder.
He could not guard anyone today. There are so many better and more mobile centers. I would have loved to see him try to pull his shit on Willis Reed. He would have kicked Lambeer's ass. Reed was better at every aspect of the game and also had a wonderful outside shot.
Lambeer got his just reward. He is not in the HOF(no one rewards a thug). He did not get a coaching job. He was basically kicked out of the league for being a total asshole.
You know that this gets under his sj kin no matter what he says.
Bill was the best center in Pistons history. Wallace was great too but Bill did everything well.
BLACK DOT....
Lanier?
@@Rodanguirus in my opinion he was 2nd best center in Pistons history, mostly because he had more success with the Bucks than Detroit. Wallace is 3rd in my book.
@@Rodanguirus Nice try but NOPE...
Reggie reminded of that rookie closeline, 6x year cheap shots he was a Pacer always facing the Pistons.
Mahorn was the enforcer. No one dared to fight him. Laimbeer was the punching bag.
With today's sports conditioning, Bill Laimbeer would be another Nicola Jokic in today's league. Rick Mahorn was the true enforcer of the Pistons, not Bill Laimbeer.
Smart move by Dumars to warn Reggie of Mahorn -- probably knew he would try to attack anyway! Mad respect for Joe Dumars ... hated the rest of the Bad Boys! :)
Funny thing is after all these years I don't think I ever seen any highlights of Laimbeer playing basketball...Just him fighting 😂😂.
Bill Laimbeer is a hall of famer.
PERIOD...
laimbeer won both nba and wnba . and was an all star a few times
Bill Laimbeer is my favorite player. Hall of FAME easily. He certainly sounds pretty damn famous.
Bill Laimbeer 🍺 was the Elvis Presley of Basketball 🏀
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Hearing Patrick say Laimbeer was a much better player made my stock in his basketball opinion drop by miles. Only a good offball defender??? He stopped Shaq with the ball in the post and was quick enough to switch if they wanted. And "maybe" rebounding??? One of the best rebounders the game has seen. Like reg said maybe Laimbeer was more skilled offensively but defensively and rebounding wise it's not even close. The idea Laimbeer is a "much better player" is ludicrous bordering on asinine.
Facts
Check out his rebounding. Laimbeer was that guy
Lambeer averaged 9.7 rebounds. Wallace 9.6..Lambeer 13 points Wallace 6. Hey I loved both. But Lambeer wasn't sleeping on Defense. He was instrumental in Portlands collapse at home. With their Bigs being to agitated and not focused. Lambeer and the Pistons would have beaten Wallace and his Pistons. Had more talent and a better 1 /2 centers. James Edward's was pretty good. You think the Celtics were alter boys? The 80" were the best time for NBA. Because of team and frankly toughness. One on one. Teaming up like LeBron does. Basketball has been ruined by BS since. Draymond Green is a throwback. Now anyone who uses his physicality is a goon. Which is so dumb.
Laimbeer was a better player. Much better? Probably not, but I'll take prime Bill over prime Ben. Every single game.
@@jamesrandolph4577 He wasn't a better player. How dploy does Bill have again 🤔
What planet is Dan patrick on there is no way laimbeer was better than Ben Wallace. Ben changed the piston franchise and was the driving force of the team and he’s a 4 time defensive player of the year are u kidding me.
Laimbeer was definitely better on the offensive end, but inferior in every other respect.
Sheed took the Pistons to another level.
Robert Horry had more hof teammates than anyone I can think of
Bill Laimbeer should be in the Hall of Fame… he’s also coaching now and it’s the basketball HOF, not NBA HOF….
Robert Horry has the most NBA titles from anyone in the modern era that isn't sitting in a wheelchair right now.
What the hell? Lambier over Ben Wallace???!
Ben Wallace was absolutely limited offensively. But the man is a 4x DPOY and did so while playing in arguably the most talented era of Centers and power forwards of all time. Ben was able to give Shaq a respectable challenge. If Shaq played against Lambier (in any era) Shaq is going to ragdoll him. BBQ chicken!
The fact that a 4x dpoy and formidable shot blocker is being questioned in favor of a guy who could hack a lot and shoot a little bit is surprising to me
@Ziggy Stardust FACTS.... Bill was a MUCH more fundamentally sound center...
Love Reggie killers upbeat personality and boy what an assassin he was shooting the ball
Bill Laimbeer played a Sleestak on the original Land of the Lost. That is Hall of Fame worthy alone.
Bill laimbeer definitely belongs in the Hall of Fame
They should have won 4! The league created the "bad boys" they were tired of getting cheated so they took matters to the level they needed to in order to get the results they deserved. This team had a better win percentage over Boston, LA, and Chicago.... Enough said
Have to heartily agree, Dan. For whatever reason, the league turned on the BB after their first Championship win. And it has nothing to do with playing dirty. Watch any rivalry during the 80s and you'll see all kinds of rough play coming from other than the Pistons!
All Day
Big Game Bob averaged not 8 ppg - he averaged 7 ppg for his career. Also 4.8 rpg. His best single season, he averaged 12.0 ppg for Houston, starting all 71 games he played that season. His best rebounding season, he averaged 7.5 rpg for the Lakers.
Laimbeer averaged 12.9 ppg and 9.7 rpg for his entire career, with several seasons averaging around 17 ppg and 12 rpg. Horry totaled 7,715 career points and 5,269 career rebounds - Laimbeer totaled 13,790 career points and 10,400 career rebounds. Laimbeer almost doubled Horry's career totals, playing in fewer games than Horry did, because Laimbeer was a starter for his entire career, while Horry was mostly a role player that came off the bench.
I personally don't think EITHER should be in the HOF on their stats - Laimbeer played on a title-winning team and had a major role getting that team to it's 2 titles. Not just from one shot a game, but for the majority of games. He is miles ahead of Horry in deserving the HOF......
I agree. Based strictly on their playing careers I wouldn't place either in the HoF, but Laimbeer (much as I dislike him) definitely has a stronger claim than Horry.
Reg backtracking on Big Shot Bob was funny af
Horry had a terrible career, he just got 3 big shots in big time games. Horry should never even sniff the HOF
Terrible career?? Really? That’s the word that you choose? The guy played in the league for 16 years and was a uniquely important piece to 7 championship teams. No he wasn’t a Hall of Famer, but he’s one of the greatest ROLE players in the history of the game.
@@Riles3152 as far as NBA careers, outside a few big shots he was well below average, stats don't lie bud. I'm not hating, I think he is a really good guy and great teamate, but he never sniffed a good year, much less a good career.
@@Riles3152 you are 100, I never should have said terrible anyone in the league disserves better than that. Bad choice of words
"Bill Laimbeer is just not liked." - and that's putting it mildly.
Ben Wallace was the ONLY ALL STAR & All NBA player on both of his Finals appearances. With 2 of his 4 DPOYS before Sheed joined the team. Imagine the Warriors going to the Finals with Dray as the Only All Star & All NBA player on his team 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 Also, Ben has 3 top 10 MVP finishes. BEN IS 5X ALL NBA
Yeah as a Pistons fan dan undershot how how good Ben was..for some reason
I am a Detroit fan, but Wallace was not a HOF player.
Of that Detroit team, the only player whose basketball resume speaks HOF was Rip Hamilton, a NCAA champion, a Final Four MOP and a NBA All Star who broke Isiah Thomas' team career playoff scoring record.
He was the best player on the Pistons that made the Conference Finals from 2003-2006. Pistons were a GOAT Level Defensive Roster.
@@blacknetsmed Ben Wallace was the biggest liability.
In 2006 they won 64 games, lost to Miami because Pat Riley took advantage of his poor foul shooting.
He was a one dimensional guy, hardly a HOF talent.
@@123slasher.16 Yeah, I'm not sure ben was the best player on those great Pistons teams in the mid 2000s....I'd maybe lean towards chauncey or Rip for that. I think Ben is deserving of being in the HOF, but I can't look passed how terrible he was offensively...He really couldn't score at all unless it was a layup or a dunk, and was a terrible FT shooter. He also had a very short prime (only about 5 years of peak greatness), so there's that. I feel like he is deserving of being in, but if he's in, Bill should be too...and maybe Chauncey and Rip
Damnit Rasheed. How you leave Horry
Laimbeer the GOAT of NBA enforcers!
He was a dirty player. That's the fact. No spinning it like he was good. He was good at being unprofessional. That's it.
@@chriswatson4607 blah blah blahhhh
Rick Mahorn was the initial Bad Boy, came on the team and took Lamb, Dennis & comp. under his wings and taught them how to do it. He was exceptionally strong so he wasn’t fighting all the time, because he would just kill somebody there.
Rick Mahorn was not the first Bad Boy. Laimbeer got there in 82 and he already had a reputation. Mahorn got there in 85, and he was fat and out of shape and didn’t want to play in Detroit. He and Laimbeer butted heads until Mahorn got motivated. Isiah and Bill were the two guys who set the culture. Mahorn was a great addition to what they were already building.
Hold on, Bill was a far better player than 4X DPOY Ben Wallace?
Bill was one of the first big men that could hit a three.
yes
Being the best player and winning an awards are two different things. We know Kobe Bryant is a better basketball player than Steve Nash but Steve Nash has two MVPs
better yes
@@andrejamison2723 yeah and Tim Duncan as 0 DPOY, Tim Duncan folks a great great defender. Blocking shots sometimes is overrated.
Doesn't Robery Hory have the same amount of championship rings as Lumpy Laimbeer?
Man I miss basketball before 2003
I watch those games from the 80s on RUclips. Not much to miss. Bunch of unathletic guys throwing elbows. Boring.
@@drexlspivey3047 lol so you would say klay Thompson more athletic than Kobe, draymond more athletic than Shawn kemp, Devon Booker more athletic than ray Allen?
@@drexlspivey3047 100 times better than today. Rather see guys throw elbows than guys do little dances after making threes or flopping. Today is more shoot behind the line ball than basketball.
The late 80's NBA was a tough man's league. Most teams tried to have a player that acted as an enforcer: Parrish for the Celtics come to mind. But teams other than the Pistons delegated that role to a single player. ALL the Pistons bought into that roll. It is just that Lambeer did it better than all the rest. Dirty? I don't know. If you do game films and know the guy is going to foul you hard if you come into the paint, and he does, why would you take offense to that. Play a different style to beat him out of his realm. Play outside away form him. Set plays to draw him out from the paint. You know, use your head to beat him.
Like Lambeer was doing to your game. He played the game within the then current rules. Then the rules changed, and Jordan got to have his day.
Lambeer deserves to be in the HOF for what he accomplished with the Pistons. He deserves a plaque in the HOF for his coaching also.
Turns a Piston question around for a dude who beat them in the finals as a Spur. God bless em
Bill Laimbeer was the better player but Ben Wallace was a way better defender overall. So, considering they would both be role players. Ben’s defensive ability may provide more for a team and be more effective than Bill Laimbeer’s overall contribution.
Wrong, Bill would have eventually won titles anywhere... He was a manic competitor
@@danlechlak1183 none of that means he would have won titles elsewhere. Lol just cuz he’s a competitor doesn’t mean anything.
Bill was not a role player he was just as much a leader on the court and off as was Isaiah. Ben was great defensively but so was Laimbeer (granted not as good as Wallace) but Laimbeer was so better at every other part of the game. Although i love Wallace he really was a 1 dimensional player.
@@wynterbyrdpocedic8854 Very true. And Bill was not a liability on offense, whereas Ben absolutely was.
Bill Laimbeer must be in the hall of fame. Everybody played rough. Remember Heat and New York? Bill had a good all around game and a leader as well very durable. Kids certainly would better themselves if they look at his skills and hard work in getting rebounds and playing defense.
The way Dan is underselling and down playing Ben Wallace is nasty.
How is he "underselling and down playing Ben Wallace?" He's just citing Big Ben in the HOF as a valid argument for Laimbeer getting in.
Bill should be in the Hall😮😮
Both Reggie and Dan have some weird opinions. Laimbeer was a much better offensive player than Wallace but inferior in every other way, including defensively and as a rebounder. But Laimbeer was certainly better than Horry, who was a career underachiever who only woke up at certain points in the playoffs.
@@callofdutylegend4518 Defense, rebounding, hustle, intangibles, overall impact on his teams' success.
True Story
Certain points😄....U meant the clutch ones
FALSE... Laimbeer was rebound king two years in a row.. Would've been three more years had he not been forced to share rebounds with the best rebounder in NBA history....
@@alanduff1054 Laimbeer led the league in rebounding only once, '85-'86. By greatest rebounder in history I assume you mean Dennis Rodman, but he wasn't posting big rebounding numbers until his fourth season, when Laimbeer was past his prime.
Slightly off-topic, but Reggie could totally pass for being in his mid- to late-30s.
No I think sometimes build a ability got overshadow billion bear was a great big man. He was a skill big man that only got appreciated later on when the NBA game changed so they're picking part of the stretch forward and all that laying bed was doing that way back then you know and he was tough for feisty player
7 Rings should get you into the Hall Of Fame.
It's Bill Lambert - youtube subtitles say so!
Reggie Miller was more fearful of Mahorn than Laimbeer because he knew Mahorn with that "look in his eyes" would have physically beaten him up. Laimbeer was all bark, no bite!
Met Bill many, many years ago, he was one of the nicest guys on the Pistons, besides John Salley.
That's because you didn't meet him on the court :)
Neither Bill nor Robert should be in the HOF. Ben Wallace may not be as skilled as Laimbeer but he was definitely a way more impactful player
Everyone hates us pistons and I love it!
Reggie ain't never lied Rick Mahorn wasn't wrapped to tight.
He needs to be there.....personality as a player aside.....
If there was a hall of fame for dirty players Laimbeer would have gotten in on the first ballot.
Charles Oakley was scared of Rick Mahorn
The basketball HOF makes no sense -- Bill Laimbeer not being in there shows it's a political game and Laimbeer wasn't a politician or trying to get people to like him; showing you it has nothing to do with basketball. Laimbeer and Vinnie Johnson should be in the Hall of Fame. No way Ben Wallace could be effective as a player guarding Kareem, Robert Parish, McHale, Ewing, Moses Malone, etc... Ben Wallace was good vs. Shaq because Shaq was out of shape and limited at the foul line so he couldn't really punish you with his skills over 48 minutes, just brute force, which was Wallace's strength. You should never compare Ben Wallace with Bill Laimbeer because Laimbeer was the first stretch-4 who was clutch at the foul line, a better passer, and better in the pick-and-roll situations. You could compare Wallace to Rodman, but not Laimbeer.
its as it should be
It is plain and simple
if Robert Horry somehow makes it into the hof then guys like Steve kerr and Derek Fisher might as well be hof too, having alot of rings doesn't mean they were great players maybe just solid role players
Miss Mahorn...he was the Bob Probert of the NBA.
And that's it - those 8 points were deadly - Horry might have 4 points entering the last 5 minutes of the game but those other 4 or 5 points inside of those last few minutes were going to kill your spirit - dude was a better clutch player then a lot of these so called clutch performers (not naming any names tho 😂) - he took less clutch shots than other guys but hit more percentage wise - Horry belongs in the Hall of Fame simply because of the big moments and big shots
You obviously never witnessed Laimbeer's timely 3's and their impact on the momentum of a game.
How many championship did Reggie win...
Doesn’t matter he was a special player
This headline of an article I saw says it all.......Bill Laimbeer retires as one of the most influential people in WNBA history....ummm huh
I would put Bill Cosby in the Basketball Hall of Fame before I put Bill Laimbeer in. Anyone who deliberately tries to end people's careers will never be considered by me.
And Laimbeer ended 0 players careers do to injury in his 13 years of playing. So he obviously was a failure since that was his sole intent... lmfao
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If Lamber had just made hard fouls he would be in the Hall of Fame. Lamber when for the face, stuck feet under other players feet to turn ankles, Under cut Patrich Ewning, tackled Larry Bird and many other plays that could hurt other players. You do not put someone like that in the hall of fame.
Bill Laimbeer was just one of the few centers, during his time, that could shoot from the 3 pt. line pretty well. His average 3 pt % was 28 to 33 percent. Apart from that, all his other statistics were of decent NBA players, like bench players I'd say. But to put him in the Hall of Fame? Nah, there are WAY too many players that could get into the Hall of Fame before Laimbeer. But he should NEVER be inducted into it. If this happens, then the human race has no hope of evolving and just avoiding inevitable stupidity lol
How is Jack Sikma in the Hall before Laimbeer?
The only bill edge with ben is the offense. Ben can defend 1 to 5. Im still picking Ben Wallace
Too many interviewers who talk over answers to asked questions. Shut up and let him answer.
Laimbeer has 13000+ points and 10000+ rebounds. Not an easy feat, especially with his lack of vertical ability.
Is this really an argument????
"Lambeir was a dirty player." Larry Bird
This is likely one of the main reasons why he has yet to be inducted.
Mahorn had dirty little tricks to disrupt his opponents game, but wasn't intended to hurt anyone. Like a bump with his butt to knock his opponent for a loop. However, Laimbeer played dirty with the intent to hurt his opponents. I can respect Mahorn's play, but not Laimbeer's.