Hi, i have a problem with my razer keyboard and i thought maybe you know whats going on with it please reply if you see this so i can tell you my problem
Logitech does have the keys made by Kailh but it is a custom design with different travel that Kailh has agreed not to sell under their branding. They change the keycaps, or switches so they are the only source for full keysets and replacement switches.
When you mentioned that this is an unbreakable keyboard, it rings a bell that I remember there was a customer review saying that he is a graphic designer and the Logitech keyboard he just bought is very solid because he use the keyboard to beat the head of someone who keeps saying his designs were shit and that person needs to went to ER but the keyboard is intact.
Yep. I often see people recommending "no brand" mice and keyboards over Logitech claiming they get more bang for the buck but they rarely mention battery life. I have a fancy no brand ging mouse I got off Amazon and yeah it was cheap and yeah it works but the battery dies in 3 days even in standby mode.
i have a logitech mx master 3 that i bought in 2019; used for 6-8 hours, 5-6 days a week, for two years. about a year in, i plugged it in for an hour, because i thought it was so weird that it hadn’t needed to charge yet. it was the end of the work day, so i didn’t even wait for it to fully charge before i unplugged it. 2 years after its first-and-only charge, it Still Hasn’t Died. i have a different job now so it doesn’t get that kind of use anymore, but i keep it on my desk at home, and it turns on and works like a charm every time. logitech is doing battery life like nobody else lol
Agreed. I used to have a Logitech mouse during my freshman to junior year (I forgot what model), but I’ve only had to change the battery once when I had it. This is including when I accidentally left the mouse on overnight. I’ve only had to change it midway through my junior year because the Bluetooth receiver wouldn’t work anymore.
@@strayiggytv For mice, especially wireless ones, no brands are a no go (And logitech is easily one of the best recommendations you can give to anyone looking for wireless mice that will last years) but as for keyboards, that is very debatable. Logitech's offerings (keyboards) are just subpar considering the price and what you get for that price.
I have been using this exact model for months now, and it is by far my favorite keyboard. I absolutely love it. For a long time, I didn't want to move over to mechanical keyboards, simply because I couldn't find any with low profile keycaps, and the normal profiles ones are just too high for me. But this? Oh man. Can't go back to rubber dome keyboards now.
@@zorro...... The linear and tactile variants aren't noisy. I use the tactile variant at work, no problem. The clicky variant is noisy, but, well, it's in the name.
Same! And what I love is that I wanted wireless but my work doesn’t allow traditional Bluetooth due to security concerns so keychain was out. They logi bolt works though!
@@zorro...... NO IT IS NOT Quieter than membrane! ANyone telling you that is straightup stupid. Go to a store and tryout any of logitech's mechanic brown switches...THEY ARE LOUD AND GRATING SOUNDING AND THEY WIGGLE SO FRIGGIN MUCH. It's the same sound u hear in this video but WAY LOUDER, so if u can't hear any subtle quiet(or loud) grating scratchiness going on at the end....then SURE bring this to class and make everyone hate you more than the guy who brings a giant smelly subway sub to 7pm class when u haven't had time to eat.
I hadn't seen any other reviewers bring this up. Biggest problem with wireless keyboards and their sleep functions is the time it takes to wake up after a keypress. I would say that Logitech is already fantastic with this for their existing mice and keyboards; but for the keyboard to sense your presence before actual input would effectively eliminate all lag after waking up from sleep. What a cool innovation.
I'm very very into the whole Logitech wireless universe because the battery life is excellent and you really can use their devices from another room sometimes.
Not gonna lie I think they need to make more mechanicals geared towards office workers. I equate a good keyboard to office work as a good pair of work boots is to construction. I use my keyboards for 8 + hours a day and I can say that the move to mechanical has made working so much more enjoyable and the fatigue I used to feel in my hands after a day pounding a way on a squishy membrane board is much less.
Yeah.. we get dumdums bragging about their completely silent switches. They still annoy everyone and as a manager I'm the one to tell them to be considerate of their colleagues and keave it at home
Logitech gets button layout very correct. Delete button in the upper right corner, volume buttons you can easily find my touch (stick 3 fingers into the corner of the keyboard and you're there), and swapped page up/down and home/end positions from the keychron k3 which did all those previous things wrong. Only ding for me is that I like alt+ctrl right next to each other on the right side so I can simply thumb/pinky a ctrl+alt+del which I need very frequently to login due to very short lock screen policy for work.
This is not their first mechanical keyboard in their normal line. It’s the Logitech Pop keys. That’s actually my current keyboard, the heartbreaker pink one, and I love it, I’m just too lazy and broke to dive into custom territory. I would love that you review it, is probably the most gimmicky, unpractical keyboard I’ve ever seen, but you know what? Is cute and feminine so I embrace the gimmick, you get used to all the weird things. It would be nice to know what mods could be done in such an un customizable board.
I think K3 is objectively better for having optical switches. In long run it's probably much easier to repair dead keys (without worring about destroying the socket) and it also has lighter actuation force and distance. Though one issue is that the switches seems rather sketchy in their mechanical design, but at least it's super cheap to get replacements, and probably won't double click like ever so that's probably not as much of an issue.
I'm new to mech keyboards and finally bought the Logitech MX mechanical full size for my Mac. I had been looking at the keychron's for a while but there is a few things that are deal breakers that Logitech got right. I think these are going to sell hand over fist to a whole new market. Keep in mind the target audience is used to paying $150 for apple magic keyboards OR in most cases the employer is the one footing the bill. Not defending the price because I think Logi could do a few more things like throwing in dedicated keycaps for Mac or PC. Also, maybe have sets of productivity icon keys for different types of users (video/photo editing, excel). I'm glad you did mods because I had no idea what I could do with this thing.
@@WidowmakersAss well the big thing for me is the low profile model didn't have f16-f19 fn options. I heard there is 2-5s delay when waking the keyboard and heard the customization software isn't that great for the K5. Basically I just need it to be super dependable with no hitches, and I feel like Logitech has their drivers dialed. The proximity, sensor, battery life, etc were all the icing on the cake for me. When I say they will sell a ton of these I don't mean it's better than keychron I just meant it's much easier to get your company to buy you a Logitech and IT will have way less issues with it.
Isn't K3 like all plastic though? Not that it's a bad thing because it lowers the weight, and the tolerance is rather accurate. I guess you got the feeling because K3 seems to be using dual-shot PBT rather than ABS, which gives a more premium matte look.
@@FlameRat_YehLon there is plastic on the back but on the front and all the sides there is steel. Also i think there is metal frame inside. V2 is also heavier than the first version
5:24 it helps save battery. The polling of the sensor have significant low power consumption compared to lowest backlit setting always on. It pushes you to charge it on longer time interval compared to others
@@SwitchandClickOfficial Those keys don't even sound that good on the actual Nuphy keyboard. I had to go hear some other reviewers sound test to be sure. I assume that is because of the case on the logitech being different. Sounds like rolling some thokky bones in your sound test and I think I kinda love it. Now I'm just annoyed that that keycap set doesn't work for the rest of the keys =D
I bought this keyboard last night. I could've went with any other keyboard, but this has the USB receiver and it's quite nice. I'll probably change the key caps. I hate that Bluetooth bs because pairing and turning it on doesn't always work. I have a keychron keyboard and the Bluetooth is garbage.
2:30 I am on my fourth keychron k3v2 in the past couple months (entirely my fault... I need sippy cups...) and they definitely fixed the build quality. I have not tried this personally, but holding it in my hand it feels like if I smashed it against my desk until something broke, by desk would break before the keyboard. There's no flex at all.
I own a g915 TKL and its good to see switches that have the usual cross stem because I am already experiencing some wear on the keycaps and would be nice to change the keycaps with just something off the market. It also has the wires as a stabilizer for the caps lock and other similar keys.
10:46 You can easily get the stabs out and lube them without opening the keyboard, additionaly i would recommend bandaid modding these. Ive modded my G915 and they look exactly the same
Thank you for showing how to lube the stabilizers! This is my daily driver and unmodded that spacebar is occasionally not all I want it to be. Battery life is good too, even swapping computers multiple times a day and with backlight on
While I’m very deep into the custom keyboard world now, I always felt Logitech made generally high quality products, & their recent keyboards have all been great. If someone wants something high quality but isn’t ready to dive into the custom scene, Logitech is one of the best options to go with.
Wrong. If you want a best stock mech key, go Varmilo or Leopold or Filco. They are much more better than logitech. Logitech is just around the average with a high end price. Too OP anyway. U spend $2xx with bad stab, average keycap and average switch. Lols
@@silentwater79 Overpriced is a very fair criticism, but having owned several Logitech products in the past (including 2 of their keyboards before I got into customs), they were at least decent to good build quality and I never had any issues with them. My perspective is different after building several custom boards, as Logitech’s build quality is low compared to those…But for a mass produced board from a big company, they make feature rich boards that are reliable & work well out of the box (for a price…..)
Logitech has the resources to really do some really interesting things IF they get serious about producing mechanical keyboards. I'd like to see them do some original boards, though. I'm a nerd for watching organizations adapt to changes in their industries. Fascinating.
I’m a developer not a gamer and I recently got into mechanical keyboards. I started with a K7, but I’m desperately waiting until the Zoom65 is re-stocked >.
The Logitech just falls massively short compared to the k3s when you look at the product as whole considering the modability/upgradability and the range of accessories - and all for a lot less. Available keycaps are much better for the K3, and is pretty much perfect for the K3 pro. Even though the K3s also have proprietary keycaps (at least on switches with stabs) they recently released PBT doubleshot keycaps that fit their stab positioning. The new K3 Pro (for only $10 more) has standardised stab positioning so you can swap them out for virtually any MX style keycaps and they also comes with PBT doubleshots as standard. Logitech's proprietary BS means that (for some keys at least) you are stuck with their cheap painted ABS keycaps. Their accessories range is also much better for Keychron - they come with a perfectly matched wooden wrist rest and a leather carrying case that fits both the keyboard and the wrist rest snugly. No wrist rest or carrying case for the MX - which is a big issue for a low profile, you can't really throw on a generic wrist rest and using a standard size carrying case reduces portability (which is IMHO the biggest draw for them given the compromise you are making on key travel). Hotswappability is also huge - and if you go optical, keychron has a pretty expansive range of low profile optical switches that you can choose from - far braoder tahn whats available for low profile mechanicals of the 3 main brands (Kalih, Gateron and Cherry). Contrary to assertions as an "office person" I do care a lot about modability of my keyboard. A lot of us who have to spend most of their 9-5 (or longer) typing, do care a lot about their keyboard. Finally, I haven't used the k3 v1 so can't speak about build quality but my v2 came from one of their first batches and has been used for well over a year and half. Its been a solid, reliable board and I have no complaints. If I were to nit pick, the "press fit" aluminium cover layer isn't as elegant a solution as Logitech's plate but I will happily take the compromise for the smaller footprint.
@@JimmyTulip1 keychron are pretty random and slow with what they release iso versions of. I used to prefer iso having grown up with it but they took ages to release a k3 iso version so went for ansi instead. I've ended up switching wholesale to ansi across all of my custom boards because of the much more limited range of iso keycaps. But I think its much easier to switch from uk iso to ansi compared to other languages. The differences are pretty minor if you use win+space to switch between layouts.
My only problem with mechanical keyboards from big brands is that they only sell the ISO variant here in Europe. To get ANSI I'd need to find it somewhere or import it, which gets costly.
I'm using a Nuphy Air75 since september and I can't complain at all. It is a solid keyboard with an excellent construction. You could really give it a try.
Interesting, I've had nothing but issues with mine since I got it. What switches do you have? I've used both blue and browns. I've gone through two of the air 75s both of which have very significant wobble on the bottom left side as well as double presses on multiple keys throughout the board.
I love the part where the video gets all wonky and broken when you warned us about over lubing the stabs, thought my monitor was finally giving up on me.
The Logitech Craft didn't appear to have a mode switch either, but when one pressed and held Fn + O or Fn + P (depending on starting mode) the keyboard would change between Windows and macOS mode. I had three of those keyboards, one stopped switching after about a year and support was...unsupportive. Support did say that in future versions of Logitech Options, keyboard mode would be treated in a way native to whatever os LO was installed. Would love to know if that was the case here.
Good review. I'm impressed by the whole channel... I would have never thought that it's possible to have a well-performing niche channel that reviews keyboards only.
OH... I guess I'll watch this later, but I was going to say that Logitech really should take advantage of their Wireless technology and make a proper custom keyboard. They already charge too much so they might as well make something really nice and high end to match the price.
Its cute! Tbh as a an everyday office worker i have to start this by stating I have a keyboard obsession and i need that num pad. But yeah… i have the keychron k4.i dont think these logitech mechanical keyboards are worth it.
Personally I have a Keychron k3 v2 and I use it both for coding(JavaScript, Python, HTML, etc) and gaming. Perfect mix between compact and functional. Much prefer this layout over my old Logitech g915 wireless, I have tested this keyboard and really liked it as well. But since I have my Keychron k3 v2 I didn't find it necessary to buy it. Though in my personal opinion I would choose the Keychron over the Logitech, it's priced much more reasonable (about half price) with the only real downside being that it has no 2.4 GHz dongle (only Bluetooth)
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I’m a student and trying to decide between the two but leaning more toward the K3 V2. If you don’t mind me asking, what mouse do you use? Any recommendations? Thanks in advance.
@@DrDuckDockin For gaming I mainly use a Logitech G pro wireless but I did win a Steelseries Prime at a gaming convention this weekend so I'm currently experimenting with that. As for recommendations that's a hard one, many factors. Mouse shape, weight, size, price, etc. I mean you can never go wrong with the main brands and often praised ones like the Razer Viper Ultimate, Logitech G pro wireless, etc. One more tip though If you game more than you type go for a good gaming mouse cause when it comes to WASD'ing around a cheap keyboard is honestly fine If you code/type more than you game go for a better keyboard since a good keyboard can most certainly increase your typing speed.
I'm an old school computer guy w/ 40+yrs experience in the field. Channels like this focus on the wrong thing -- key touch and look/feel. The most important thing IMHO is ergonomics and RSI / carpal tunnel mitigation. This means the priority should be 1) split keyboards 2) wrist pads 3) lightweight high-dpi wired mice and 4) alternative keyboard layouts like Colemak or Workman. I've used many many different keyboard over the years: Northgate, Gateway/MaxiSwitch, Dell Deluxe, etc. etc. My current fave keyboard is the Kinesis Freestyle 2 and Freestyle Pro. MX Brown is my favorite switch although MX Red Silent and (crappy) rubber membrane are fine too. I switched to Colemak about 10 years ago and it's great. When it comes to keyboards, listen to your fingers, not your eyes.
I just bought my first 60% keyboard, although I don't use it for gaming. I just wanted a keyboard that didn't take up such a big chunk of my desk. I didn't notice until I began using it that it has no print screen key, and because of the way the keyboard's internal firmware works, you cannot use the Fn+Win+Space shortcut for Print Screen. Bummer.
@@spunkyre3917 thanks for that. I tried it and it does bring up the windows snip program. And while it does take an extra keystroke or two, it's easier than what I was doing. I use print screen all the time so again thanks for the tip.
That light sensor is worth paying for. I am using a Logi K800 that has that. I am looking at the MX Keys or Mechanical which both have that feature. I don't think I would buy a wireless KB without it.
I recently transitioned to this from the K3 due to its connectivity issues. I tried dealing with the K3, troubleshooting, updating firmware, and other ways can prove connection and unfortunately the issues kept happening and I just had enough the Bluetooth connectivity is really bad compared to the MX mini - NIGHT AND DAY difference. I am currently using the MX mini and I love it! Really into the typing experience, battery life, build quality and especially - connectivity.
keycron sound way more clicky i do have the g915ykl as main keyboard currently with mx brown, but my best choice is gateron red lubed, no matter witch keyboard it feels and sounds really as dream.
Thank you for the promo and all explanation given. One minor but important geek remark - why most of people repeats this misconception paper liner is more environmentally friendly than plastic? Keyboard itself is made of plastic. Plastic is not bad. There are technologies to recycle, upcycle and make plastics sustainable.
honestly logitech has always made really good office keebs. especially when it comes to battery life. pretty cool to see them implementing a lp design like this; will it make me drop $150 to buy one of these? no. but still cool tech.
Logitech actually has a mechanical keyboard it is called the Logitech pro keyboard and comes with Logitech’s own switches. Can you please do a video about this keyboard please
The 75% layout is so underrated. This is actually exactly the kind of keyboard I wanted for years, but I think I'm in too deep now to really appreciate this now
I'm not a keyboard enthusiast and I'm glad that I chose MX mechanical mini for MAC in favour of Keychron keyboards. It has double usb-c charging cable.It connects via Bluetooth without any usb-dongle(for MAC version). I guess it's been like 4 month I've been using a keyboard with backlit LED on and have never charged it once.
@@Lowaza In Logi Options+, navigate to the keyboard, choose "Settings", and there's a switch for "Always keep the keyboard in Mac layout" (or the equivalent for windows)
How did you feel about the super-fast backlight timeout? I've reached out to Logitech and they agree the fast timeout is unacceptable. It's not clear if/when there will be a feature added to Options+ to adjust the backlight. I returned the MX Mechanical and MX Keys both for the same reason. It's a major design flaw that hinders usability and ruins the experience if you work in a dim or dark room.
Are you just spamming this comment everywhere? I just don’t believe Logitech agreed with you that there is an inherent flaw in the design. Proof or it didn’t happen!
best thing about this is that you can use the "logibolt" instead of bluetooth. Windows has issues with bluetooth forever... It doesn't wake up properly like apple computer does. If Microsoft solved their BT issues, then the logibolt/unifying receiver would be pointless. But alas, x86 architecture... and not to mention you can't get into BIOS with bluetooth...
This keyboard does something that almost no other mechanical keyboard can do for some reason and that's BATTERY LIFE. (Looking at the competitors) If battery life isn't longer than a week, then literally what is the point of using wireless?
I'm still using a Logitech K400r wireless keyboard I got at walmart about 8 or 9 years ago. It came with the same little bitty USB receiver as shown here. She a good unit.
Logitech's made some great mechanical keyboards over the years. I used a g710+ for the better part of 10 years and never had an issue with it. I only changed out because I wanted to experiment more with switches. Those older browns were pretty damn nice though. I've regretted selling that old board a few times.
can you do a comparison review between mx mechanical mini, keychron k3 and nuphy air75 ? i have both the keychron k3 (optical brown) and nuphy air75 (brown) .. honestly the air75 feels so much better to type, even though i am not a fan of nuphy air75 key texture.. i have other PBT keys but the texture is not like air75. but typing on nuphy air75 feels natural, whereas typing on keychon k3 feels forced.. i made a lot of typos on k3 ...
I own the Logitech MX keyboard in this video and it's great to type on. However, my one complaint (which is a big one) is Logitech made the backlight turn off seconds after you take your hand away from the keyboard. I often work in a dim room so this is a problem. And after an extensive search, there seems to be no way to disable this behavior, This keyboard ended up being relegated to one of my seldom-used keyboards for this flaw alone. While I appreciate a keyboard battery lasting a long time, the decision to turn the backlight off so aggressively seemed like a bad decision. It takes only an hour of being plugged in and it's good to go for months. I'd of rather had the light on for 5 or more minutes than what they chose.
I got the Mini in the clicky version for home and the tactile quiet one for the office. It seems to me as if the clicky one overall is more silent, as the tactile one doesn’t have a click but if u really smash the buttons they seem to be louder than the clicky buttons. For gentle typers it might be the other way around. Would buy both again if I had to.
The modes can be changed manually by fn O (hold both for 3 seconds at least will change to macos mode) fn P (hold both for 3 seconds at least will change to windows mode)
Day 2: Review the Redragon k617 Fizz it's a 60% Hotswap keyboard it is just 36$ in my country it comes in white and grey, and white and pink it is a really good keyboard for its price.
Shrug. It's for an office. There's something to be said for being able to tell your boss you need a new keyboard and replacing it means going to a big box store instead of international shipping. Is it more expensive. Yes. Does it matter. Nope. That keyboard is better than anything else so readily available. It's a convenience fee. And more than worth it to an office.
I want to see that boss who will pay more than 200$ for there employees keyboard. Usualy they will get the cheapest available random keyboard from the Dollar Store. If you want something else, usually you need to pay it yourself.
@@silentwater79 Depends where you work. Not even company really. Just which department. A 200 dollar keyboard is a rounding error come end of the fiscal year when the server staff is trying to burn its budget. Spend all year getting crap to save the budget in case of emergency, then on the years emergencies don't happen burn it in a hurry so noone lowers it from that one year of discrepancy.
Low profile keyboard just the best for most of productivity work. Especially our hand switch between keyboard and mouse often. Except ur work heavily focus on typing or numbering the cherry profile is the best.
The Logitech mechanical has much bigger keys. It’s not a copy of the keychron version (which I own too), rather a productivity line up of the g915 tkl. The keys on the K3 are sharp on the edges. The typing experience on the logi keyboard is so much better than on the Keychron ( esp. when your hands are bigger than a child hands!), it also feels better than g915 tkl. Don’t get me wrong. The Keychron is a fun board, but in comparison the logi board beats the Keychron in every way. I view this from the point of looking for a great keyboard to type and not primarily to mod. The accuracy of typing drops every time I use the k3. Owning a ducky 2 mini, g915 tkl, Mx master keys, k3 and the mechanical mini, I really love the Mx mechanical version a lot. Expensive yes, but worth it if you buy the board for typing.
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Check out this video on ANOTHER Keychron keyboard I really like: ruclips.net/video/8oxqBMH3bQY/видео.html
Hi, i have a problem with my razer keyboard and i thought maybe you know whats going on with it please reply if you see this so i can tell you my problem
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hey i have a redragon k552 can you give me a budget freindly options to help me mod it
Logitech does have the keys made by Kailh but it is a custom design with different travel that Kailh has agreed not to sell under their branding.
They change the keycaps, or switches so they are the only source for full keysets and replacement switches.
pls review the SteelSeries apex 3 tkl it is very good
When you mentioned that this is an unbreakable keyboard, it rings a bell that I remember there was a customer review saying that he is a graphic designer and the Logitech keyboard he just bought is very solid because he use the keyboard to beat the head of someone who keeps saying his designs were shit and that person needs to went to ER but the keyboard is intact.
what the hell, tell us more
@@shahriarhakim6673 haha
WTF 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Give him / her a few whacks for me! 😹
every keyboard has a story. Especially this bloody one. 😂
One thing Logitech does really well is battery life. A mouse powered by a single AA with daily use will last 6 months.
True. Have 2 G305 mice, they are great
Yep. I often see people recommending "no brand" mice and keyboards over Logitech claiming they get more bang for the buck but they rarely mention battery life. I have a fancy no brand ging mouse I got off Amazon and yeah it was cheap and yeah it works but the battery dies in 3 days even in standby mode.
i have a logitech mx master 3 that i bought in 2019; used for 6-8 hours, 5-6 days a week, for two years. about a year in, i plugged it in for an hour, because i thought it was so weird that it hadn’t needed to charge yet. it was the end of the work day, so i didn’t even wait for it to fully charge before i unplugged it. 2 years after its first-and-only charge, it Still Hasn’t Died. i have a different job now so it doesn’t get that kind of use anymore, but i keep it on my desk at home, and it turns on and works like a charm every time. logitech is doing battery life like nobody else lol
Agreed. I used to have a Logitech mouse during my freshman to junior year (I forgot what model), but I’ve only had to change the battery once when I had it. This is including when I accidentally left the mouse on overnight. I’ve only had to change it midway through my junior year because the Bluetooth receiver wouldn’t work anymore.
@@strayiggytv For mice, especially wireless ones, no brands are a no go (And logitech is easily one of the best recommendations you can give to anyone looking for wireless mice that will last years) but as for keyboards, that is very debatable. Logitech's offerings (keyboards) are just subpar considering the price and what you get for that price.
"Logitech's never made a mechanical keyboard before"
...are you sure about that?
I have been using this exact model for months now, and it is by far my favorite keyboard. I absolutely love it. For a long time, I didn't want to move over to mechanical keyboards, simply because I couldn't find any with low profile keycaps, and the normal profiles ones are just too high for me. But this? Oh man. Can't go back to rubber dome keyboards now.
is it any quieter than those sticky membrane office keyboards? I'd like to bring one to ny office but I don't want to be noisy
@@zorro...... The linear and tactile variants aren't noisy. I use the tactile variant at work, no problem. The clicky variant is noisy, but, well, it's in the name.
Same! And what I love is that I wanted wireless but my work doesn’t allow traditional Bluetooth due to security concerns so keychain was out. They logi bolt works though!
@@zorro...... NO IT IS NOT Quieter than membrane! ANyone telling you that is straightup stupid. Go to a store and tryout any of logitech's mechanic brown switches...THEY ARE LOUD AND GRATING SOUNDING AND THEY WIGGLE SO FRIGGIN MUCH. It's the same sound u hear in this video but WAY LOUDER, so if u can't hear any subtle quiet(or loud) grating scratchiness going on at the end....then SURE bring this to class and make everyone hate you more than the guy who brings a giant smelly subway sub to 7pm class when u haven't had time to eat.
I hadn't seen any other reviewers bring this up.
Biggest problem with wireless keyboards and their sleep functions is the time it takes to wake up after a keypress. I would say that Logitech is already fantastic with this for their existing mice and keyboards; but for the keyboard to sense your presence before actual input would effectively eliminate all lag after waking up from sleep.
What a cool innovation.
Yeah, the Keychron K3 is notorious for having a very long wake up time. Easily the worst thing about it.
@@MrDeaf yes i agree, but could you pay $110 for this future?
K3 V2 has a very long wake up time, it's the most annoying thing about it for sure.
@@60tiantian lot of folks get it via their work so it free anyway
@@xdraygul5169 the Logitech mechanical keyboard is nice and reliable on Mac OS
I'm very very into the whole Logitech wireless universe because the battery life is excellent and you really can use their devices from another room sometimes.
Not gonna lie I think they need to make more mechanicals geared towards office workers. I equate a good keyboard to office work as a good pair of work boots is to construction. I use my keyboards for 8 + hours a day and I can say that the move to mechanical has made working so much more enjoyable and the fatigue I used to feel in my hands after a day pounding a way on a squishy membrane board is much less.
The biggest problem with mechanical keyboards in an office environment is the noise.
@@joseph_p There are many silent switches, but even most normal ones aren't that loud with proper dampening.
@joseph_p Get silent switches.
@@joseph_p Came here to say this, please keep your mechanical keyboards or just stay at home
Yeah.. we get dumdums bragging about their completely silent switches. They still annoy everyone and as a manager I'm the one to tell them to be considerate of their colleagues and keave it at home
Oh, Logitech. Always the bridesmaid of the mechanical keyboard world. Never the bride.
Logitech gets button layout very correct. Delete button in the upper right corner, volume buttons you can easily find my touch (stick 3 fingers into the corner of the keyboard and you're there), and swapped page up/down and home/end positions from the keychron k3 which did all those previous things wrong. Only ding for me is that I like alt+ctrl right next to each other on the right side so I can simply thumb/pinky a ctrl+alt+del which I need very frequently to login due to very short lock screen policy for work.
This is not their first mechanical keyboard in their normal line. It’s the Logitech Pop keys. That’s actually my current keyboard, the heartbreaker pink one, and I love it, I’m just too lazy and broke to dive into custom territory. I would love that you review it, is probably the most gimmicky, unpractical keyboard I’ve ever seen, but you know what? Is cute and feminine so I embrace the gimmick, you get used to all the weird things. It would be nice to know what mods could be done in such an un customizable board.
I think K3 is objectively better for having optical switches. In long run it's probably much easier to repair dead keys (without worring about destroying the socket) and it also has lighter actuation force and distance. Though one issue is that the switches seems rather sketchy in their mechanical design, but at least it's super cheap to get replacements, and probably won't double click like ever so that's probably not as much of an issue.
I'm new to mech keyboards and finally bought the Logitech MX mechanical full size for my Mac. I had been looking at the keychron's for a while but there is a few things that are deal breakers that Logitech got right. I think these are going to sell hand over fist to a whole new market. Keep in mind the target audience is used to paying $150 for apple magic keyboards OR in most cases the employer is the one footing the bill. Not defending the price because I think Logi could do a few more things like throwing in dedicated keycaps for Mac or PC. Also, maybe have sets of productivity icon keys for different types of users (video/photo editing, excel). I'm glad you did mods because I had no idea what I could do with this thing.
interesting, what did you find to be deal breakers that logitech did correctly?
@@WidowmakersAss well the big thing for me is the low profile model didn't have f16-f19 fn options. I heard there is 2-5s delay when waking the keyboard and heard the customization software isn't that great for the K5. Basically I just need it to be super dependable with no hitches, and I feel like Logitech has their drivers dialed. The proximity, sensor, battery life, etc were all the icing on the cake for me. When I say they will sell a ton of these I don't mean it's better than keychron I just meant it's much easier to get your company to buy you a Logitech and IT will have way less issues with it.
I use K3 V2 for a while now and I think build quiality is same if not better than logi. Really it's like a block of metal and not the cheap plastic
Isn't K3 like all plastic though? Not that it's a bad thing because it lowers the weight, and the tolerance is rather accurate. I guess you got the feeling because K3 seems to be using dual-shot PBT rather than ABS, which gives a more premium matte look.
@@FlameRat_YehLon there is plastic on the back but on the front and all the sides there is steel. Also i think there is metal frame inside. V2 is also heavier than the first version
I hope we will have more option on low profile keycaps and switches!
OMG, the keys lighting up when your hands are over the keyboard is absolutely worth paying for!
5:24 it helps save battery. The polling of the sensor have significant low power consumption compared to lowest backlit setting always on. It pushes you to charge it on longer time interval compared to others
NGL, those keycaps you put on it sounds really satisfying. I was kind of shocked at how big a difference they made.
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@@SwitchandClickOfficial Those keys don't even sound that good on the actual Nuphy keyboard. I had to go hear some other reviewers sound test to be sure. I assume that is because of the case on the logitech being different. Sounds like rolling some thokky bones in your sound test and I think I kinda love it. Now I'm just annoyed that that keycap set doesn't work for the rest of the keys =D
@@DaneMurdock what did you do about it? I want to also have these keycaps like it
Your voice is ASMR to my ears I don't know if I see your videos for the keyboards anymore
Awesome review like always!
thank you!
I bought this keyboard last night. I could've went with any other keyboard, but this has the USB receiver and it's quite nice. I'll probably change the key caps. I hate that Bluetooth bs because pairing and turning it on doesn't always work. I have a keychron keyboard and the Bluetooth is garbage.
2:30 I am on my fourth keychron k3v2 in the past couple months (entirely my fault... I need sippy cups...) and they definitely fixed the build quality. I have not tried this personally, but holding it in my hand it feels like if I smashed it against my desk until something broke, by desk would break before the keyboard. There's no flex at all.
I own a g915 TKL and its good to see switches that have the usual cross stem because I am already experiencing some wear on the keycaps and would be nice to change the keycaps with just something off the market. It also has the wires as a stabilizer for the caps lock and other similar keys.
Can’t change the space bar, heads up!
@@Wavelengthtripper I was able to works fine still
G915 is not good at all compared to this it rattles like hell Brevier of the Stems
I straight up love the energy this channel brings
thank you!!
Betty is an absolute treasure and we must protect her at all costs ❤️
10:46 You can easily get the stabs out and lube them without opening the keyboard, additionaly i would recommend bandaid modding these. Ive modded my G915 and they look exactly the same
From a gamer perspective, Logitech’s bolt receiver is fantastic. Bluetooth is still not great for registering instant and consistent key presses.
Thank you for showing how to lube the stabilizers! This is my daily driver and unmodded that spacebar is occasionally not all I want it to be. Battery life is good too, even swapping computers multiple times a day and with backlight on
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I love your videos because they are really safe (:
I have this one with the brown switches. I love it soooo much.
While I’m very deep into the custom keyboard world now, I always felt Logitech made generally high quality products, & their recent keyboards have all been great. If someone wants something high quality but isn’t ready to dive into the custom scene, Logitech is one of the best options to go with.
Most of Logitechs products are overpriced crap with with bad build quality.
Wrong. If you want a best stock mech key, go Varmilo or Leopold or Filco. They are much more better than logitech. Logitech is just around the average with a high end price. Too OP anyway. U spend $2xx with bad stab, average keycap and average switch. Lols
@@silentwater79 Overpriced is a very fair criticism, but having owned several Logitech products in the past (including 2 of their keyboards before I got into customs), they were at least decent to good build quality and I never had any issues with them. My perspective is different after building several custom boards, as Logitech’s build quality is low compared to those…But for a mass produced board from a big company, they make feature rich boards that are reliable & work well out of the box (for a price…..)
@@FitLabb The only Keyboards from logitech usable are some of the G Series and the MX Series. The rest is mostly crap.
I think Logitech is fine, overpriced, but fine. Stay away from their romer-g switches. I have had them break on me on two different keyboards.
You have the most particular voice and tone, love it. The keyboard isn't bad too
Logitech has the resources to really do some really interesting things IF they get serious about producing mechanical keyboards. I'd like to see them do some original boards, though. I'm a nerd for watching organizations adapt to changes in their industries. Fascinating.
I’m a developer not a gamer and I recently got into mechanical keyboards. I started with a K7, but I’m desperately waiting until the Zoom65 is re-stocked >.
The Logitech just falls massively short compared to the k3s when you look at the product as whole considering the modability/upgradability and the range of accessories - and all for a lot less.
Available keycaps are much better for the K3, and is pretty much perfect for the K3 pro.
Even though the K3s also have proprietary keycaps (at least on switches with stabs) they recently released PBT doubleshot keycaps that fit their stab positioning. The new K3 Pro (for only $10 more) has standardised stab positioning so you can swap them out for virtually any MX style keycaps and they also comes with PBT doubleshots as standard. Logitech's proprietary BS means that (for some keys at least) you are stuck with their cheap painted ABS keycaps.
Their accessories range is also much better for Keychron - they come with a perfectly matched wooden wrist rest and a leather carrying case that fits both the keyboard and the wrist rest snugly. No wrist rest or carrying case for the MX - which is a big issue for a low profile, you can't really throw on a generic wrist rest and using a standard size carrying case reduces portability (which is IMHO the biggest draw for them given the compromise you are making on key travel).
Hotswappability is also huge - and if you go optical, keychron has a pretty expansive range of low profile optical switches that you can choose from - far braoder tahn whats available for low profile mechanicals of the 3 main brands (Kalih, Gateron and Cherry). Contrary to assertions as an "office person" I do care a lot about modability of my keyboard. A lot of us who have to spend most of their 9-5 (or longer) typing, do care a lot about their keyboard.
Finally, I haven't used the k3 v1 so can't speak about build quality but my v2 came from one of their first batches and has been used for well over a year and half. Its been a solid, reliable board and I have no complaints. If I were to nit pick, the "press fit" aluminium cover layer isn't as elegant a solution as Logitech's plate but I will happily take the compromise for the smaller footprint.
@@JimmyTulip1 keychron are pretty random and slow with what they release iso versions of. I used to prefer iso having grown up with it but they took ages to release a k3 iso version so went for ansi instead. I've ended up switching wholesale to ansi across all of my custom boards because of the much more limited range of iso keycaps.
But I think its much easier to switch from uk iso to ansi compared to other languages. The differences are pretty minor if you use win+space to switch between layouts.
I think your narration and editing are excellent!
Thank you! 😊
My only problem with mechanical keyboards from big brands is that they only sell the ISO variant here in Europe. To get ANSI I'd need to find it somewhere or import it, which gets costly.
Yeah, thats just stupid - wanted to get one but ISO sucks.
As far as I know the MX Master 3 works with the Bolt Reciever as well as the Unifying one
Hi, no there are 3 different models. 3 works with unifying and the 3 for business and the 3s work with bolt 😅
I'm using a Nuphy Air75 since september and I can't complain at all. It is a solid keyboard with an excellent construction. You could really give it a try.
Interesting, I've had nothing but issues with mine since I got it. What switches do you have? I've used both blue and browns.
I've gone through two of the air 75s both of which have very significant wobble on the bottom left side as well as double presses on multiple keys throughout the board.
Can't wait to see how the MX Mechanical Mini compares with the new K3 Pro that Keychron is now trying to introduce
Seems like a reasonable off-the-shelf low profile work board.
I love the part where the video gets all wonky and broken when you warned us about over lubing the stabs, thought my monitor was finally giving up on me.
The Logitech Craft didn't appear to have a mode switch either, but when one pressed and held Fn + O or Fn + P (depending on starting mode) the keyboard would change between Windows and macOS mode. I had three of those keyboards, one stopped switching after about a year and support was...unsupportive. Support did say that in future versions of Logitech Options, keyboard mode would be treated in a way native to whatever os LO was installed. Would love to know if that was the case here.
Good review. I'm impressed by the whole channel... I would have never thought that it's possible to have a well-performing niche channel that reviews keyboards only.
Much appreciated!
Really enjoyed the review + drawn in by the inadvertent Owen Wilson Vibes. Gracias!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Oh my gosh, her presentation is so adorable! I love how playfully the topic is being represented. It's fun to watch.
OH... I guess I'll watch this later, but I was going to say that Logitech really should take advantage of their Wireless technology and make a proper custom keyboard. They already charge too much so they might as well make something really nice and high end to match the price.
Her voice is so smooth and calm that I was listening to it instead of music while coding and I totally didn't notice that it's a review. 🤣
Its cute! Tbh as a an everyday office worker i have to start this by stating I have a keyboard obsession and i need that num pad. But yeah… i have the keychron k4.i dont think these logitech mechanical keyboards are worth it.
Personally I have a Keychron k3 v2 and I use it both for coding(JavaScript, Python, HTML, etc) and gaming.
Perfect mix between compact and functional.
Much prefer this layout over my old Logitech g915 wireless, I have tested this keyboard and really liked it as well.
But since I have my Keychron k3 v2 I didn't find it necessary to buy it.
Though in my personal opinion I would choose the Keychron over the Logitech, it's priced much more reasonable (about half price) with the only real downside being that it has no 2.4 GHz dongle (only Bluetooth)
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I’m a student and trying to decide between the two but leaning more toward the K3 V2.
If you don’t mind me asking, what mouse do you use? Any recommendations? Thanks in advance.
@@DrDuckDockin For gaming I mainly use a Logitech G pro wireless but I did win a Steelseries Prime at a gaming convention this weekend so I'm currently experimenting with that.
As for recommendations that's a hard one, many factors. Mouse shape, weight, size, price, etc.
I mean you can never go wrong with the main brands and often praised ones like the Razer Viper Ultimate, Logitech G pro wireless, etc.
One more tip though
If you game more than you type go for a good gaming mouse cause when it comes to WASD'ing around a cheap keyboard is honestly fine
If you code/type more than you game go for a better keyboard since a good keyboard can most certainly increase your typing speed.
I'm an old school computer guy w/ 40+yrs experience in the field. Channels like this focus on the wrong thing -- key touch and look/feel. The most important thing IMHO is ergonomics and RSI / carpal tunnel mitigation. This means the priority should be 1) split keyboards 2) wrist pads 3) lightweight high-dpi wired mice and 4) alternative keyboard layouts like Colemak or Workman. I've used many many different keyboard over the years: Northgate, Gateway/MaxiSwitch, Dell Deluxe, etc. etc. My current fave keyboard is the Kinesis Freestyle 2 and Freestyle Pro. MX Brown is my favorite switch although MX Red Silent and (crappy) rubber membrane are fine too. I switched to Colemak about 10 years ago and it's great. When it comes to keyboards, listen to your fingers, not your eyes.
I just bought my first 60% keyboard, although I don't use it for gaming. I just wanted a keyboard that didn't take up such a big chunk of my desk. I didn't notice until I began using it that it has no print screen key, and because of the way the keyboard's internal firmware works, you cannot use the Fn+Win+Space shortcut for Print Screen. Bummer.
@@spunkyre3917 thanks for that. I tried it and it does bring up the windows snip program. And while it does take an extra keystroke or two, it's easier than what I was doing. I use print screen all the time so again thanks for the tip.
I've the K3E3 (V2) and it's very sturdy. Also have the G915. Curious to see how this one compares to the G915.
That light sensor is worth paying for. I am using a Logi K800 that has that. I am looking at the MX Keys or Mechanical which both have that feature. I don't think I would buy a wireless KB without it.
Just found you. Excellent. I like how you talk. Great personality.
Thanks and welcome!
I recently transitioned to this from the K3 due to its connectivity issues.
I tried dealing with the K3, troubleshooting, updating firmware, and other ways can prove connection and unfortunately the issues kept happening and I just had enough
the Bluetooth connectivity is really bad compared to the MX mini - NIGHT AND DAY difference.
I am currently using the MX mini and I love it!
Really into the typing experience, battery life, build quality and especially - connectivity.
Oh my. The sound after mod though. As a follower of audiophile channels, that was satisfying.
Seems like she is mindful of what her neighbors will think of her, so she doesn't want to scream as she feels like lmao
Got my k3 for work, first thing I did was rip it apart and modded it 😆
Got nuphy air75 for home work and did the same thing
keycron sound way more clicky
i do have the g915ykl as main keyboard currently with mx brown, but my best choice is gateron red lubed, no matter witch keyboard it feels and sounds really as dream.
Thank you for the promo and all explanation given. One minor but important geek remark - why most of people repeats this misconception paper liner is more environmentally friendly than plastic? Keyboard itself is made of plastic. Plastic is not bad. There are technologies to recycle, upcycle and make plastics sustainable.
I was about to buy MX Keyboard ~ and saw this MX MECHANICAL, I didn't know this existed! so, thank youuuuu
honestly logitech has always made really good office keebs. especially when it comes to battery life. pretty cool to see them implementing a lp design like this; will it make me drop $150 to buy one of these? no. but still cool tech.
Logitech actually has a mechanical keyboard it is called the Logitech pro keyboard and comes with Logitech’s own switches. Can you please do a video about this keyboard please
I like how you are always trying to balance your excitement for keyboards and not being too loud to make your mom mad.
I think they are all competing with each other but there's now a clear and defined market: office people and gamers/enthusiasts
i'm so excited for more low-profiles, the look is just so sleek
Nice to see a RUclipsr who doesn't think the world revolves around a Shure SM7B!
What positivity,nice personality.What a charachter!
The 75% layout is so underrated. This is actually exactly the kind of keyboard I wanted for years, but I think I'm in too deep now to really appreciate this now
yeah i have a keychron k2 and it’s 75% perfect size
I prefer TKL over 75%. I don't like the squeezed together arrow keys.
Yeah the arrow keys can be a bit harder to find, but you'll get used to it, and then you won't have to move your hand as far to reach them
@@FiveNineO I don't mind moving my hands a little, as long as I can find them quickly and don't press the wrong switch by accident.
Another keyboard that could be compared with the two is the Nuphy Air 75, maybe you would be interested in reviewing one?
I'm not a keyboard enthusiast and I'm glad that I chose MX mechanical mini for MAC in favour of Keychron keyboards. It has double usb-c charging cable.It connects via Bluetooth without any usb-dongle(for MAC version). I guess it's been like 4 month I've been using a keyboard with backlit LED on and have never charged it once.
Logitech has ABSOLUTELY made a mechanical keyboard before. I have one that I've had for nearly 10 years with Cherry MX Reds.
Hearing Relax and Reflect brought a huge smile to my face, love FFXV :)
Long press FN+O for Mac Mode, or FN+P for windows mode. Also modifiable in the Logitech Options + software.
Let’s not pretend all these keyboards don’t come out of the same factory in China.
I really want to know the switch responsiveness for gaming, looking at this for a work gaming hybrid, especially responsiveness while wireless.
FWIW, you can change Mac/PC mode in the Logitech software. (and by default, it adapts to the type of computer it's attached to.
how do u do this?
@@Lowaza In Logi Options+, navigate to the keyboard, choose "Settings", and there's a switch for "Always keep the keyboard in Mac layout" (or the equivalent for windows)
How did you feel about the super-fast backlight timeout?
I've reached out to Logitech and they agree the fast timeout is unacceptable. It's not clear if/when there will be a feature added to Options+ to adjust the backlight.
I returned the MX Mechanical and MX Keys both for the same reason. It's a major design flaw that hinders usability and ruins the experience if you work in a dim or dark room.
Are you just spamming this comment everywhere? I just don’t believe Logitech agreed with you that there is an inherent flaw in the design. Proof or it didn’t happen!
best thing about this is that you can use the "logibolt" instead of bluetooth. Windows has issues with bluetooth forever... It doesn't wake up properly like apple computer does. If Microsoft solved their BT issues, then the logibolt/unifying receiver would be pointless. But alas, x86 architecture... and not to mention you can't get into BIOS with bluetooth...
This keyboard does something that almost no other mechanical keyboard can do for some reason and that's BATTERY LIFE. (Looking at the competitors) If battery life isn't longer than a week, then literally what is the point of using wireless?
I'm still using a Logitech K400r wireless keyboard I got at walmart about 8 or 9 years ago. It came with the same little bitty USB receiver as shown here. She a good unit.
You are Super Awesome. Underrated Channel ❤🔥😍🌺 You are one of my Fav Tech people
Thank you so much 😀
at first i was like oh your funny .. but as soon you started opening the box i was like woaaahhh so professional 😍😍😍 subscribed!!
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My favorite keyboard for every is the Keychron K2 V2, and I just managed to order the GMK Lazer keycaps yesterday. I'm so excited
I love my K2V2 and have recommended it to friends. I have nice pbt xda keycaps
Logitech's made some great mechanical keyboards over the years. I used a g710+ for the better part of 10 years and never had an issue with it. I only changed out because I wanted to experiment more with switches. Those older browns were pretty damn nice though. I've regretted selling that old board a few times.
some revisions had crappy caps - RMA 3pcs of g710+ (awsum keyboard
can you do a comparison review between mx mechanical mini, keychron k3 and nuphy air75 ? i have both the keychron k3 (optical brown) and nuphy air75 (brown) .. honestly the air75 feels so much better to type, even though i am not a fan of nuphy air75 key texture.. i have other PBT keys but the texture is not like air75. but typing on nuphy air75 feels natural, whereas typing on keychon k3 feels forced.. i made a lot of typos on k3 ...
I own the Logitech MX keyboard in this video and it's great to type on. However, my one complaint (which is a big one) is Logitech made the backlight turn off seconds after you take your hand away from the keyboard. I often work in a dim room so this is a problem. And after an extensive search, there seems to be no way to disable this behavior, This keyboard ended up being relegated to one of my seldom-used keyboards for this flaw alone.
While I appreciate a keyboard battery lasting a long time, the decision to turn the backlight off so aggressively seemed like a bad decision. It takes only an hour of being plugged in and it's good to go for months. I'd of rather had the light on for 5 or more minutes than what they chose.
I have the same issue with this keyboard. If you keep it plugged in than the light stays on longer.
This is an extremely ridiculous thing that no video talks about, it's actually very frustating. I just bought it and I am considering to return it.
I love your mic settings, sounds really deep, clean, and good.
Awesome, thank you!
the moment at 0:33 is the best part ofthe video. I'm so sorry. I LOVE IT. Maybe 1 whole video of your cat reviewing a keyboard?
I do have a Logitech Bluetooth mouse that also comes with the Logitech bolt reciever
I got the Mini in the clicky version for home and the tactile quiet one for the office. It seems to me as if the clicky one overall is more silent, as the tactile one doesn’t have a click but if u really smash the buttons they seem to be louder than the clicky buttons. For gentle typers it might be the other way around. Would buy both again if I had to.
The modes can be changed manually by
fn O (hold both for 3 seconds at least will change to macos mode)
fn P (hold both for 3 seconds at least will change to windows mode)
Day 2: Review the Redragon k617 Fizz it's a 60% Hotswap keyboard it is just 36$ in my country it comes in white and grey, and white and pink it is a really good keyboard for its price.
I have the same KB.
Hey Betty, can I get a link to the syringe that you use for the dielectric grease?
Shrug. It's for an office. There's something to be said for being able to tell your boss you need a new keyboard and replacing it means going to a big box store instead of international shipping. Is it more expensive. Yes. Does it matter. Nope. That keyboard is better than anything else so readily available. It's a convenience fee. And more than worth it to an office.
Exactly correct
I want to see that boss who will pay more than 200$ for there employees keyboard. Usualy they will get the cheapest available random keyboard from the Dollar Store. If you want something else, usually you need to pay it yourself.
@@silentwater79 Depends where you work. Not even company really. Just which department. A 200 dollar keyboard is a rounding error come end of the fiscal year when the server staff is trying to burn its budget. Spend all year getting crap to save the budget in case of emergency, then on the years emergencies don't happen burn it in a hurry so noone lowers it from that one year of discrepancy.
Low profile keyboard just the best for most of productivity work.
Especially our hand switch between keyboard and mouse often.
Except ur work heavily focus on typing or numbering the cherry profile is the best.
> productivity machine
> no numpad
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The Logitech mechanical has much bigger keys. It’s not a copy of the keychron version (which I own too), rather a productivity line up of the g915 tkl.
The keys on the K3 are sharp on the edges.
The typing experience on the logi keyboard is so much better than on the Keychron ( esp. when your hands are bigger than a child hands!), it also feels better than g915 tkl.
Don’t get me wrong. The Keychron is a fun board, but in comparison the logi board beats the Keychron in every way. I view this from the point of looking for a great keyboard to type and not primarily to mod. The accuracy of typing drops every time I use the k3.
Owning a ducky 2 mini, g915 tkl, Mx master keys, k3 and the mechanical mini, I really love the Mx mechanical version a lot. Expensive yes, but worth it if you buy the board for typing.
You know I am over the huge travel distance and loud noises of gamer mechanicals.
for that price, Logitech should have really used PBT instead of ABS keycaps