Why Isn't there a Birth Control Pill for Males?
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- Опубликовано: 8 окт 2022
- Condoms and vasectomies remain pretty much the extent of birth control options for people who produce sperm, and both have problems. So why is almost all hormonal birth control aimed at those with ovaries? There have been some successes targeting the biological feedback process for hormones that regulate new sperm production, but progress is slow.
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I'd like some options. You'd still need condoms for disease prevention in relationships that aren't long term and monogamous but it would be nice to have a second layer of contraceptive protection.
@@yourturn777 what an odd comment. Monogamy isn't a gendered term
@@yourturn777 That's a really cringe opinion to have. If you are a man, do better and be better. If you are a woman, I'm sorry that you've clearly had bad experiences with men, I'm sure you'll heal eventually. If you're NB, then sure, just do better and be better, that's cringe as fuck.
The justifiable criticism of the 1950s Puerto Rico pill trial is focused on the lack of informed consent, insufficient toxicity testing, and failure to investigate deaths among participants. A number of hormonal and non-hormonal birth control options for women have been approved since then, under modern standards, that have side effects equal to or worse than those that stopped the male trials. Unless the side effects pose significant dangers to men, they should be given the chance to weigh their personal side effects against the benefits of new contraceptive options.
I just don't know how you can look at the side effects of things like IUDs that have been approved in the last couple decades and say that injection site soreness and mood swings justify stopping a trial for male contraception. The rationale was that men wouldn't accept those side effects, but that's honestly just a choice to let the patriarchy continue to put this burden solely on people with uteruses. We should demand better.
Men didn’t wanna deal with the consequences of the birth control pill, because they don’t have to carry the baby to term. They’re not the ones with a child growing inside of their body. The reason there is a birth control pill for women, is because we have the testicular fortitude to put up with those side effects, because we know what it takes to have a choice, and not have the opportunity thrust upon us whether we want it not.
The bottom line is, there are no birth control pills for men because this is a man’s world. Women are the ones that have to care of the children, we’re the ones that get stuck with the responsibility, literally from day one. Men can blow their load and walk off into the sunset to do whatever the hell they want.
While I do agree that given the side effects that people who can get pregnant face with hormonal birth control options, it feels silly to halt trials of hormonal birth control options for those who can get others pregnant for what appear to be similar reasons. However, Mama Doctor Jones (an OBGYN youtuber) has talked about these trials before and she says the reason that higher side effects are tolerated for those who can get pregnant is because of how clinical trials are structured. Namely: What is the risk of taking the medication vs. the risk of not taking the medication?
For those who can become pregnant, the risky side effects of hormonal medication are *still lower than the risky side effects of pregnancy*. So the analysis is, sure, birth control raises the chance of blood clots, but pregnancy raises the chance of blood clots *more*, and therefore the risk is less with the medication. Same with most of the other side effects.
For those who can get others pregnant, because they cannot become pregnant themselves, that calculation isn't quite the same. Unfortunately the system doesn't say "What is the risk the pregnant person takes vs. the risk this person taking the medication takes." It is "what is the risk the person taking medication takes vs. the risk the person taking medication would take by not taking it." It's that mindset that would have to change.
As someone getting a vasectomy next month, I remain disappointed and angry that no other options exist, even for us to evaluate the risk and make our own decisions on. I started donating to Vaselgel research a decade ago hoping to eventually be able to use it myself, but there's still not even a projected date that it might be approved for market.
Birth control doesn't work on men.
We have trillions of sperm.
Women have 1 egg.
Pills for women releases a hormone that tricks the body into thinking it's already pregnant and can't be insiminated..
We can't trick trillions of sperm to think it in the egg.
The pills either kill us or make us steril.
Women can get an IUD which is 100% reversable.
Vasectomy theres chance for it being permanent.
Although it wasn't mentioned, the side effects went beyond things like general discomfort or acne; they also involved suicide ideation and a significant increase in aggressiveness! Those were the reasons many trials had to be halted.
that sounds like it probably should have been mentioned
Both suicidal ideation and aggressiveness would be more concerning in men, since men are more likely to commit suicide and are more dangerous when aggressive.
It is frustrating that those are just expected consequences of birth control I take though. I gained 30 lbs on the IUD.
@@rootsm3 I've had excessive pain and bleeding most of the month for the last 2 years with mine. Doc (male) says this is normal. I want it out and get my tubes tied. He says I might change my mind...
@@rootsm3 "I gained 30 lbs on the IUD."
Clueless male here: why would a IUD cause weight gain?
Just got a vasectomy a few weeks ago, my partner is going through menopause and taking BHRT, but going through complications with treatment, so we decided it would be safer. I'm a nurse since the 2000s, I really thought men would've had a birth control option by now.
Can you do an episode on the recent research saying that colonoscopies aren’t as effective as previously believed?
This was refreshingly informative
I totally had my eyebrows raised before you said that lol 😂
Damn i was just thinking when this would be available i hope this becomes available soon 🙏🙏
Is there really no contraception options anywhere in the world? I'm sure research into this can be made in countries with less restrictions on testing trials.
There are drugs which will dramatically lower sperm count over time. Testosterone replacement, depending on the dose and duration will often do this, although it is not always predictable. So will the closely related anabolic steroids.
I remember a side effect from taking Olanzapine which was no ejaculation during an orgasm. When I stopped taking the drug it went back to normal in a week or so.
0:55 Why is it that the standards have increased but the medications available today still exist? Is there no retroactive testing and recall? If so, why not?? What makes it difficult to get these medications that no longer comply with the standards off of shelves? Especially when we know already that they don't comply with the current standard.
I'm going to have to check this out since that makes no sense to me.
Who's going to pay the hundreds of millions of dollars it takes to trial old drugs which have long been off patent and won't ever earn that money back?
I think it's more about research ethics. It woild be unethical to collect the data now, but the collected data is still valid
How was ur research. I’d like to know
in indonesia use papaya seed.. it can be extract?
got a vasectomy back in '98, and thank christ i did. had a partner i was with for almost 4 years who "said" she was on the pill and she was in the beginning but stopped that a year months before we parted ways because she wanted to have a baby and never told me. i found this out after reading some txts with one of her friends on her phone. she had been off the pill for 8 months when i told her about my little operation. long story short i had to find a new place to live but i did so with a smile on my face.
moral: don't trust women, when this stuff is made available USE IT!
This is the real reason there is no male birth control pill, the child support collectors would be at risk, and they don't like it.
I notice that you didnt metion RISUG, and I only see it mentioned in one comment. Have we given up on this treatment?
It was ready for final approval right before the pandemic hit, I suspect they'd rather release a method that keeps the money rolling in over a method that is a simple dr office one-time injection that lasts many years and no side effects at all.
Will you ever do a video on energy drinks like monster ?
Birth control is terrible. Men need to realize why this conversation exists. It's brutal for women. IED's, hormonal issues, blood clots ... Lack of abortion. Don't get me started.
One thing I heard about hormonal side effects for male birth control is that they caused depression and suicidal ideation in the most extreme cases, and since men have a higher rate of suicide than women it's a bigger risk factor. I don't know how true it is, discussion of the failure of male hormonal birth control is always a little politically charged, so you don't always know who to trust.
Personally I think ADAM is the way to go, it's like a male version of an IUD, except better and probably safer since it's non hormonal.
Agreed too I heard stuff about losing your manhood too yes and its usually politically loaded when I hear it.
Same results for women's birth control.
Men only have a higher rate of suicide because the methods they choose are more successful, if you look at suicide attempts women attempt just as often
@@ghaithsmasters5131 Well because men are more successful at committing suicide, they are at a higher risk.
Same as woman
Could you even get men to take it, though? I’m sure some men would take the opportunity, but given how many men feel emasculated by vasectomies (even though they are safer and more comfortable than expecting a wife to carry on with birth control till menopause), I suspect women will still take on much of the burden of birth control. Let’s be honest, would this actually radically shift our culture, or would it be just another thing we code as “not manly”?
Nice take, I think this gets to the heart of it when you look at the side-effects and their effect sizes, everything overlaps with existing pills for people with uteruses.
No. Never gonna happen.
This explains it quiet well
ruclips.net/user/shortsgtDOS68m_Ww
@@jesipohl6717 no It doesn't. Side effects in males would be magnitudes higher.
Simply because the dosis for male has to be WAY higher than on females to get the same outcome.
Just imagine how you'd feel if you had to take 10 or 100 times what you already take.
I left a link to a short with more scientific explanation in my previous comment
What does the “13% condom failure rate” mean? I’ve been using condoms on and off for decades at not had an issue. 13% seems super high - there must be some catch?
It’s failure rate given standard usage. Condoms used under ideal conditions only have a 1-2% failure rate iirc.
Check the source he gave
It means that if 100 couples used condoms as commonly used for 1 year, at the end of the 1st year 13 women would be pregnant
Failure rate probably mostly related to "user error," but that isn't based on anything but my own observations on how stupid many humans seem to be 😂
@@cbpd89 It makes me think of the idiots of Idiocracy breeding like rabbits.
nice
This video seems devastatingly short on details
It’s barely the thinnest of scratches on the surface imo. For example, leaving out that leading attempts at pills caused suicidal ideation and increased aggression, understated as “mood swings” unless you deep dive into the reports on the drugs.
Same results for uterus-based birth control, so doesn't really explain anything either way.
You mean the EXACT same symptoms women face daily?! Oh, those poor men, how ever will they handle such an ordeal?? Oh, right, the same way women do; sucking it up and taking accountability for our actions.
So basically it's the same for women's birth control. All of those risks have to be endured by women aswell. I think what needs to be done is fixing women's bc instead of having men go thru it aswell
Wasn't this a question for 2014 - 2018?
Seems to me the "powers that be" realized if men had less permeant options of birth control the US birthrate would plummet into the negative.
Absolutely. Baby trapper will not be happy to run out of marks.
The reason is a 3 letter word. FDA.
just dont have sex till u ready to have kids bruh
Thats boring.
That's completely unrealistic and just dumb. Sex is not just for reproduction. So should I refuse sex from my husband if I don't want kids? Lol
Tell that to men.
This sounds almost like 'chemical castration'.
Condom failure is 13%?? Citation needed. Badly!
It’s not that 13% of condoms fail
There are different ways to measure it, but the two most common are how many couples would have a condom break in a year, given “standard” use
It means that if 100 couples use condoms (as commonly used) as their sole method of birth control, by the end of the first year 13 would have gotten pregnant.
I'm using a heat based birth control. It works, has very high chances of reversibility, is painless to me and not much a burden in my life. It's a silicon ring that you put on your penis and that raises the testicles in the groin area. By putting the testes there, the warmth of the body will gradually decrease spermiogenesis. It helps lower the count under 1 million sperm cells/ml, which theoretically equates to 95% chance of infertility. I've been using it for 2 years, I have now azoospermia, meaning 0 sperm cells counted in lab by spermiogram.
I'd be happy to talk about it if you want !
I would seriously consider the non-hormonal method that injects a gel into the vas deferens, no side effects at all and lasts many years until another injection dissolves the gel...which was tested and ready to go right before the pandemic hit, what's the holdup on its final approval and release??
I'd never touch the hormonal methods that lower testosterone to the point I'm so feminine that my sperm can't impregnate, plus all the other side effects...hell no. Skip the gels and pills that will mess us up, give men the injectable non-hormonal method, that's all we need....but we know they'd rather release a method that keeps the money rolling in, not a simple one-time injection.
Very superficial and simple video. Didn’t go deep enough especially on the reason why male trials were stopped (suicide).
I expect better from this channel.
Its not in the interest of your country or women.
We do have one, only it hasn't gotten to the human trial stage. It's only been a matter of money and research, with the former funding the latter.
This is literally the phase just because you can do it doesn't mean you should
sexism.
Great info but delivery suggestion. Make a podcast rather than just have all your material written on the screen. That’s what captions are for 🙏🏼 I do appreciate your channel but think it could be a bit better, especially after all the hard research put into each one it deserves more
I hear women complaining that there isn't a male contraceptive pill. What they don't necessarily appreciate is that if there is such a thing. Men would decide when a women gets pregnant end of story! The option for a woman to decide she wants a child will be solely down to men. Other than artificial insemination. I know it's a cliché but 'be careful what you wish for'
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Please explain?
Why would men getting a pill mean no more pill for women?
Why doesn't birth control pill all ways work for every women ?
Biological differences between men and women, duh.
@@Admiral_Jezza No because it doesn't work for every women all the time.
@@Admiral_Jezza It doesn't work for every women all the time duh
@@Admiral_Jezza But why doesn't it all ways work for every women ?
"Why doesn't birth control pill all ways work for every woman?"
Hormones are weird.
I've heard birth control for men can be a sticky situation
That was short. Perhaps you could post it as a short on RUclips. It might be seen by more people. It's important for men to take some responsibility for birth control.
Condoms have always worked for me... And then the snip, after marriage. A pill would be great, but the reality is that the problem is less technological or pharmacological.
It's poorly raised boys becoming poorly raised men taking no responsibility for something they're at least 50% a partner of.
I had two girlfriends get pregnant while on the pill in my youth.
Fortunately neither wanted a child.
Use condoms.
Hormonal male bc will never happen.
For more details check this short:
ruclips.net/user/shortsgtDOS68m_Ww
I'm unsubscribing for now but feel free to @ me when you put more info in your videos and link your sources in the description
Cliffnotes version: Ya only gotta dump one egg. For males, we replenish constantly. And it doesn't take a lot of wiggly-bois to get through. Easier to stop a single egg than it is to stop a billion little biomachines.
That is an extremelie inaccurate summarie. A better one might be that since eggs are created at birth you don't need to wait for a life cycle to pass before the hormonal controls work.
@@saraodonnell8772 It's not that bad. An egg is a single point of failure and it's pretty fragile, even small issues can cause a woman's body to reject the egg. Sperm on the other hand, there's a level of redundancy measured in the billions, and sperm are pretty tough cells who can take quite a bit of abuse before they stop working entirely.
@@yourturn777 ...on the basic process of biology. Stopping ONE thing every thirty days is a lot easier than stopping billions of things every what.... hour?
@@Croz89 but that isn't what the video is saying. Cliffsnotes are a short version of the original. These statements while possiblie accurate are not talked about in this video...
@@saraodonnell8772 Most the of complications talked about include lack of effectiveness, high doses required and delayed effects (or lack thereof) which I think they covered in their comment.