The Diversity Problem in Medical Education

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  • Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
  • Racial bias is pervasive in American medicine. Part of that can be attributed to the way we train doctors, and another part stems from WHO gets trained as doctors. The barriers to entering medical school and going on to become medical faculty are high, and some schools have improved recruitment while neglecting retention. We can do better at making medical training more broadly accessible and helping students succeed once they’re admitted.
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  • @Josh-ks7co
    @Josh-ks7co 2 года назад +17

    By medical school it's almost too late, there are societal structural inequalities from literally pre birth(pre natal care inequalities) that impact what we see today.

    • @shibby5535
      @shibby5535 2 года назад +3

      So what you’re saying is that it’s not your medical schools problem to solve, it’s a problem in high school, primary school, pre school, the home, culture one is raised in and society that sets individuals up for failure? Because that makes more sense to me that picking ppl based on the color of their skin and not the content of their character. Ps. Forgive my poor grammar.

    • @JeremyStreich
      @JeremyStreich 2 года назад

      @@shibby5535 Blood lead level for Black children aged 1 to 5 is higher than any other race. Children in families below poverty have higher blood lead level than those at or above the poverty line. Cities disproportionately zone industrial parks next to minority majority neighborhoods, which raises their exposure to air pollution and other toxins. So, how do fix those systemic issues? How do get people in power to acknowledge and care about those systemic issues? Perhaps, the first step is representation on boards and councils that make the policies that allow these inequities to exist -- including the medical board, and local and federal government
      Urban areas, with higher minority populations, have on average worse schools and generally less funded schools. Urban children are more likely to live in a single parent house hold and more likely to be under the poverty line. Minorities are more likely to arrested, charged and convicted of a crime they didn't commit, as evidenced by the racial make up of the national exoneration list every year being majority Black (while Black people only make up 13% of the population). You say you want people judges by the contents of their character, but clearly, the system and agents of the system are judging them unequally, unfairly and unjustly by the color of their skin.
      The US has had 46 presidents, only one of them has been a person not purely of Western European dissent. The president is supposed to serve the whole nation, but 45 of them have had no idea the struggles a minority in this nation faces, and none of them know what it is like to be a woman living under under our system of government.
      So, Dr. Carroll mentioned some of the inequities: lack of good urban high schools, expense of tests and test prep, ect. What, then, is your solution to those problems? What is your solution to Black professors getting passed over for promotion at med schools?

  • @Marco_Onyxheart
    @Marco_Onyxheart 2 года назад +46

    I find it ridiculous that the US even cares about extracurricular activities. Schools should train you for med school, your hobbies shouldn't. If you need a helpful extracurricular then the school system has already failed. Hobbies are not academic performance.

    • @TacComControl
      @TacComControl 2 года назад +4

      Because university coaches earn 7 figures a year, and they lobby heavily to make sure that pay constantly increases by forcing extracurricular requirements , artificially increasing the demand for their "Services".
      Meanwhile, adjunct professors earn enough for a single month's rent for a full term of teaching a course. Maybe.

    • @Irrenhausmercy
      @Irrenhausmercy 2 года назад

      Because the person that just sticks to school and doesn't have any hobbies or is able to communicate well with people make bad doctors. Great scientist, but very bad doctors. We need well rounded physicians if we want the patients to be involved in their treatment.

    • @paxundpeace9970
      @paxundpeace9970 2 года назад +5

      Extracurricular can still be important but the emphasis on it is huge and unbalanced.

    • @mustang8206
      @mustang8206 2 года назад +2

      You're extracurriculars aren't to train you for medical school they are for you to find out if you want to be a doctor. Many people learn the hard way they like the idea of being a doctor a lot more than they actually like being a doctor and spending 60 hours a week preforming medicine and giving up time with their family. It's a lot better to discover you don't want to be a doctor in undergrad than it is in medical school when you have already spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in loans and you took a spot away from someone who actually would have made a good doctor

    • @pokepaar3696
      @pokepaar3696 Год назад

      Plus I think people who are smart but poor won't have as many extracurricular achievements to their name as rich kids who have a lot of time and money to spend.

  • @nopelindoputraperkasa5869
    @nopelindoputraperkasa5869 2 года назад +10

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  • @pearlcarneiro5432
    @pearlcarneiro5432 2 года назад +6

    "over-emphasizes recruitment and neglects retention" Absolutely my experience in academic spaces in general

    • @Praisethesunson
      @Praisethesunson Год назад +1

      That's the Corporate model for you. Get bodies in the door. After they make that first payment. Doesn't matter what they do. You get paid either way.

  • @woshwbdsiashqwed
    @woshwbdsiashqwed 2 года назад +9

    I absolutely agree that URM, underrepresented medical group/student, needs more access to medical education. But my concern is that why is this being achieved on the basis of hurting asian applicants? It is well known that asian applicants need to have a significant above the average scores and EC to obtain acceptance compare to their peers in other demographic groups. We are training competent physicians at the end of the day, not recruiting a cast for Broadway shows.

    • @pangi08
      @pangi08 Год назад

      white people are taking asian spots. look at who actually gets in. it's mediocore bobby when most bipoc medical students are exceptional compared to many of the regular (white) students admitted.

  • @SterbiusMcGurbius
    @SterbiusMcGurbius 2 года назад +5

    I wonder what the percent of different groups is at each stage of the medical education process is. Applications, enrollment, graduation, med school, residency, and practicing.

    • @fionafiona1146
      @fionafiona1146 2 года назад +1

      Better outcomes take better data, the British NHS knows those numbers and what benefits that has for patients but not why either really occurs.
      The UK figured out Woman a the Majority of their highschool graduates, half of classes in medical training, fewer make it trough residence, stay with the NHS or train as Surgeons... Surgery outcomes of the 20% female Surgery staff on men are "normal" woman patients however have up to 30% fewer complications then trough male Surgeons for no reason their database includes.

    • @SterbiusMcGurbius
      @SterbiusMcGurbius 2 года назад +1

      @@fionafiona1146 that's always the big problem is why exactly does it occur? You can't change if you don't know what to change.

    • @fionafiona1146
      @fionafiona1146 2 года назад

      @@SterbiusMcGurbius apparently the highest predictive factor they have documented but not explained for woman receiving surgery is the sex listed for their surgeon.

    • @pokepaar3696
      @pokepaar3696 Год назад

      That's pretty clever. Someone should find that. It would help tell where the problem lies

  • @MistressShoue
    @MistressShoue 2 года назад +10

    I'm a Hopi. I didn't get in. Yes I did everything I could. No I'm not over it yet. Ouch.

    • @johncoleman1930
      @johncoleman1930 2 года назад +3

      I'm Navajo, not trying to be a doctor but an RD, and grad school (MPH) is kicking my butt! But don't give up, we need you in healthcare!!!

    • @fionafiona1146
      @fionafiona1146 2 года назад

      Sorry to hear that, if you are still looking for medical training there might be European universities that would teach you (best case cost of living are similar to instate tuition, you would have a work permit and could have like 1k/year tuition)
      Erasmus applications shouldn't be more difficult than applying to individual universities in the USA and if you get accepted that doesn't mean you need to take that place (early negative responses are appreciated because those spaces might then be handed on)
      My brother's girlfriend did a year as "EMT" in Germany to get into medical school and that was ontop of good grades, born and raised locally.

  • @lima153330
    @lima153330 2 года назад +19

    Yeah if you look at only medical school in the US. If you look at Caribbean medical school they train higher proportion of minority doctors and poorer doctors, but the way the system is set up it intentionally discrimates against these students for not going traditional American medical schools.

  • @grahamrich9956
    @grahamrich9956 2 года назад +8

    Comments are having a normal one I see

  • @CG_Hali
    @CG_Hali 2 года назад +15

    In Canada, our treatment of Indigenous people makes the news way too often! Not 10 years ago a Native was sterilized against her will in British Columbia. And 2 years ago, one was mistreated at ER and she published a video with a staff swearing and being racist with her. She DIED not long after posting!! So I hope some of the commenters down in are going to stop this non-sense about 'well if the best are White so what?'. Funny cause our med schools are filled with Asian Canadians and people are criticizing that there aren't enough White doctors. How do you like 'em apples?
    When you read about how Black people or Indigenous are treated more poorly by doctors (false belief in them being more lazy, of lying or have a higher threshold for pain for example), due to lack of training and ingrained biases, it is extremely important to have those affected communities at the table, within institutions and schools leading the way in identifying and removing those biases. Same applies for how in general women go to the ER and get sent home way more than men when suffering from a heart attack or when affected by fibromyalgia because 'women complain for nothing and it's all in their heads'. Same applies here but biases hurt people of color.

    • @paxundpeace9970
      @paxundpeace9970 2 года назад +7

      In Eastern Europe Romijn or Romina were sterilized even until a few decades ago in some eastern European countries by doctors in attempt to forcefully limited pregnancy. Only recently a law was passed to grant those that experienced that help. Still this help is difficult to access

    • @LightPink
      @LightPink 2 года назад

      Broski, citing two instances ain't enough

    • @fionafiona1146
      @fionafiona1146 2 года назад

      Iceland has IUDs pushed on indigenous girls without their parents knowledge let alone proper consent well into the 70s ... It's disturbing but I would argue these things get attention too rarely rather than too often.
      My English textbooks featured a lot of abuses of indigenous, minority or otherwise marginalised people for "cultural context" and I enjoyed "Australia's lost generation" as little as what I learned about "Canadian residential schools" but that's kind of the same story.
      At the same time the highway of tears or Maori imprisonment rates hadn't been featured.

    • @l01230123
      @l01230123 2 года назад

      @@LightPink How many is enough to prove that things are bad?
      You obviously know a more reasonable number or you couldn't make that criticism, I guess the stats in this video aren't relevant, and I guess it's not a safe assumption that racism happened more than twice (in this context)
      Well broski, perhaps you're ignorant of racism. Maybe just try to listen to the Dr. first

  • @kagitsune
    @kagitsune Год назад

    Even bigger disparity: no disabled doctors. Almost none. The system is so extreme, that no one who understands chronic illness or pain ever gets to, never mind through, medical school. Meanwhile, disability is the only marginalization you can attain at any point in your life. 1/5 of American adults are disabled. This is impossible.

  • @SterbiusMcGurbius
    @SterbiusMcGurbius 2 года назад +1

    I think this also has a lot to do with family income. Medical school is expensive. College is expensive. Black families average lower incomes.

    • @LZKS
      @LZKS 2 года назад

      Unlikely. You get just get student loans. My family gave me absolutely nothing. I got through college with student loans, grants and scholarships.

    • @SterbiusMcGurbius
      @SterbiusMcGurbius 2 года назад +4

      @@LZKS but you're just a single point of anecdotal evidence. I promise you that money does prevent people from going to college.

    • @LZKS
      @LZKS 2 года назад

      @@SterbiusMcGurbius There's no limit to how much you can borrow in student loans. So, even if you got no grant or scholarship (unlikely), you can still attend college. You'd just end up with a massive debt.

    • @SterbiusMcGurbius
      @SterbiusMcGurbius 2 года назад +1

      @@LZKS That doesn't mean money doesn't stop people from going to college? This is a very basic fact. I couldn't go back to college. I have a wife and a baby and have to make the amount of money I make currently at my job to support us. Tens of thousands of people are in the same situation.

    • @LZKS
      @LZKS 2 года назад

      @@SterbiusMcGurbius To be clear, US high education system is broken, particularly medical school. US severely lack # of doctors because the process is way too expensive, time consuming, and soul crushing. Institutions refuse to budge because of shear antiquated stubbornness.
      But in your situation where you need to provide for the family, no country will pay for your family so you can attend college for free regardless, so I don't understand what point you're trying to make.

  • @Kmykzy
    @Kmykzy 2 года назад +21

    Who would have thought that a scientific field where results and competency matter most has a huge ethnic and racial disparity and reflects the socio-economic and cultural disparities of the population it takes it's members from, truly revolutionary findings.
    Only thing I see of note here is 2:24. Basically the current and recent methods were a failure and need to be revised before they bleed more money and time that could be used on methods that bring intended results.
    Having high cost test fees just ads a monetary barrier to entry, anyone should be able to apply to all levels of certification with the first 1-2 applications fully covered by the governing body. If you want it, are competent enough to learn, you should be welcomed in regardless of race, ethnicity, culture, religion or economic background. But we're talking about the US here, where you can't have healthy growth programs by the governing bodies because these don't bring $ back to the lobbyists and campaign funders pockets. Diversity isn't a problem that will be solved until special interests and agenda driven people stop being elected, and that's not something that will change anytime soon.
    Color of one's skin, religion, sex, should never be taken into account when choosing to admit or dismiss someone .

    • @BrotherAlpha
      @BrotherAlpha 2 года назад +2

      "Color of one's skin, religion, sex, should never be taken into account when choosing to admit or dismiss someone ."
      If you think that's not happening now, then you are too far gone.

    • @Vulcapyro
      @Vulcapyro 2 года назад +1

      @@BrotherAlpha I can't tell what you're implying here. If you think the OP doesn't think this bias is occurring, then you're misreading them, but if _you_ think this bias is not occurring / is already "solved", then uh, no.

  • @jen204
    @jen204 2 года назад +10

    1:48 For pure medical topics this would have come with a prominent warning about the weaknesses of self-reported results. Please maintain that standard when dipping into (slumming in? half joking!) the social sciences. Other studies mentioned do show disparities using harder data which is great, though 3:01 implies that med schools should change criteria simply because some groups are disproportionately disadvantaged in their preparation, an argument which must first address the obvious counter that members of these groups are disproportionately, actually poorly prepared for the same reason, and so the problem needs to be tackled at earlier stages before medical schools should be seeing parity in entrance using unbiased criteria.

    • @PBNrandom
      @PBNrandom 2 года назад

      For your last point, why can't both happen at the same time?

    • @jen204
      @jen204 2 года назад +2

      @@PBNrandom Because if the problem is lesser preparation, (arguably) it isn't the medical school's responsibility to take in less-prepared students and allocate additional resources to bring them up to the standard of their other entrants. There's a reason medical schools have entry standards, flawed though they are.
      Everything comes with a cost. Accounting for the societal disparities that cause some groups of students to be less-prepared on average doesn't change the fact they are less-prepared, and that means lowering standards for that group, and then either putting up with a reduced quality of doctors graduating, or a disproportionate failure rate, or spending resources to compensate; resources are finite, they come from somewhere else, perhaps somewhere central to the school's mission in a way that flattening social outcomes is not.

  • @dailydoseofmedicinee
    @dailydoseofmedicinee 2 года назад +4

    👏👏

  • @jarnMod
    @jarnMod 2 года назад +12

    As a patient, I don't care what my doctor or nurse identify themselves as long as they provide quality care and good communication. My doctor can be a black cat girl that identify themselves as a dog shota for all I care. Just get me fix. I don't know what you do in med school, just make sure quality is good. You have seen how much medical field has lost creditability in Covid with all the bad communication and policies. Don't repeat that in normal situation.

    • @fionafiona1146
      @fionafiona1146 2 года назад +2

      As a woman who may need surgery ever again I do care about 30% access adverse events that may befall me predictable from the British NHS data on male surgeons outcomes.

    • @StellarAudyssey
      @StellarAudyssey 2 года назад

      That would be logical approach, but it’s 2022 mate. It’s diversity over meritocracy, at the expense of quality medical practice.

    • @fionafiona1146
      @fionafiona1146 2 года назад

      @@StellarAudyssey the British data suggest they can't find higher quality than getting more diverse staff...might take until the 2030s before they find out what qualities they are trying to find, white men appear to lack.

    • @jarnMod
      @jarnMod 2 года назад

      @@fionafiona1146 I ask because I don't know. Can't you choose your doctor? Like, if you see the surgeon and you feel not ok to go under his knife, can't you deny the surgeon and seek another one that you're comfortable with? I mean, you have your file, right? Doctor profiles tend to be online now. In SEA we can carry our file to a doctor clinic and negotiate the procedure. Doc gonna handle the rest if they agree.

    • @jesuschristusnumberonefan
      @jesuschristusnumberonefan 2 года назад

      you should care.
      minority doctors and nurses are in many places allowed to pass when they should fail in order to meet quotas.
      if you play the numbers you should want a white or east asian one, those are discriminated against in schools, so will on average be more competent for any given qualification they earn.

  • @SoggyBagelz
    @SoggyBagelz 2 года назад +35

    Wow in 8 years of medical education I never received any lesson or information that had any sort of racial bias. We were taught to treat patients. Crazy huh

    • @fionafiona1146
      @fionafiona1146 2 года назад

      Funny that seams to go along with worse health outcomes.
      The US data is pretty clear on these things but British NHS numbers feel much harder (being from shared administration, without the same access limitations and at slightly more stable baseline support), suggesting that the BIAS baked into medical research and training kills people.
      Ther data included "diversity" in medical staff doesn't worsen white men's outcomes but can reduce complications, adverse events and mortality in a number of situations for everyone else drastically.

    • @markjones2453
      @markjones2453 2 года назад

      Yeah it's all absolute agenda garbage now completely stupid

    • @StellarAudyssey
      @StellarAudyssey 2 года назад

      That is profoundly racist by 2022 “standards”.

    • @Jay-ho9io
      @Jay-ho9io 2 года назад

      Spoken like a high school dropout

    • @ChrisFarrell
      @ChrisFarrell 2 года назад +5

      And yet the data seems to pretty clearly say otherwise.

  • @alarcon99
    @alarcon99 2 года назад +17

    Great video, as always 👏

  • @Kongolox
    @Kongolox 2 года назад +2

    other minorties have not been listed, and think there is good percentage among them (east asian & indian)

    • @fionafiona1146
      @fionafiona1146 2 года назад

      Not in US college, if you adjust for income levels they remain underrepresented.
      Besides there are more than binary categories in society

  • @preferredpronoun3689
    @preferredpronoun3689 2 года назад +4

    @4:27 "...shaped with diversity in mind."
    This is how you get racial bias no matter how to do it, and the obvious con being they are joining a workforce that will know you were fast-tracked for a skin-deep vanity project alone creating even more animosity and hostility.
    Put it globally: say China had an American (of all ethnicities) minority group and they tried this. Wouldn't the existing majority Chinese workforce feel like they are being pushed out and start to undermine the diversity incentive? The answer is yes.
    There is no easy way to give the same opportunity to all, but why not keep to the class issues only; scan for willing and able medical students based on household income, not the colour of their skin imo.

  • @LZKS
    @LZKS 2 года назад +2

    Medical schools in America in general have to lower their ridiculous standards on useless things. System's broken right now.

    • @Praisethesunson
      @Praisethesunson Год назад

      It's not broken it's a feature. Keeping the proles out of the elite professions helps maintain the wealth and privilege of the current economic elite.
      Which they do even if it means the entire species is denied access to quality medical care.

  • @incurableromantic4006
    @incurableromantic4006 Год назад

    It terrifies me that I might have to put my life in the hands of a diversity hire who only made the cut because it helped meet some target.

  • @DonaldAMisc
    @DonaldAMisc 2 года назад +30

    What happened to you Healthcare Triage? Did you get pressured into DEI allegiances like so many other companies did? I started following you years ago because you were all about the science: the RCTs, the meta-analyses, and the hard data. It's why I loved reading Aaron's "The Bad Food Bible" and recommend it to all my friends! I didn't follow you so you could start cherry-picking studies in service to political agendas (and I lean left myself). 💯
    .
    I was concerned after seeing your last video, but this one only reaffirms my concern. Seriously, what you say in this video sounds practically word-for-word what I've heard in every other DEI loyalty oath. That's not science; it's ideology misusing science to justify itself. Hitler misused science to justify his Eugenics, Lysenko misused science to justify his Lamarckism, and DEI misuses science to justify its Antiracism. If this is the case, please don't let them tarnish what once made your channel so special! 😔
    .
    EDIT: Thankfully, after this video Healthcare Triage went back to its roots and started making its regular videos again. ❤️

    • @fionafiona1146
      @fionafiona1146 2 года назад +12

      Isn't this data backed health system information?
      What do you believe explains worse medical outcomes for people dissimilar to college students and doctors from the 1940s?

    • @andremaldonado7410
      @andremaldonado7410 2 года назад +12

      Almost the entire video is citing statistics and yet you believe that it's not about the science and hard data?

    • @paxundpeace9970
      @paxundpeace9970 2 года назад +4

      Sounds like you have difficulties understanding hard data.

    • @Vulcapyro
      @Vulcapyro 2 года назад +2

      sod off then lmao

    • @johncoleman1930
      @johncoleman1930 2 года назад +9

      I'm getting my Masters in Public Health, and the American Public Health Association has deemed Racism as a public health crisis. The last few years, the APHA and other health aligned institutions have been critically evaluating internal bias with reguards to race/ethnicity, sex/gender, and ability. Understanding gaps in medical education and understanding disparities in who is and isn't a doctor is important, because it directly impacts patients and the public at large. For example, just last year or perhaps two years ago, the 1st book on how to recognize, diagnose, and treat skin conditions for Black people was released, that's a huge problem! While I get not everyone feels comfortable talking about DEI topics it's important that social justice and health care are inextricably linked.

  • @kingkrab71
    @kingkrab71 Год назад

    They would excel at writing prescription drugs yes. But would not be able to even compose themselves in a manner befitting the profession being discussed.
    You can't hold your pants up with one hand and perform surgery with the other hand after not bathing or shaving for 2 weeks. All while listening to some rap music so loud the neighbors have a headache.

  • @LightPink
    @LightPink 2 года назад +3

    Systematic recism bad 😡

  • @arokan327
    @arokan327 2 года назад +2

    So I work as a tutor for fellow med students. Once somebody contacted me for some lessons and I told him to install the 3 programs I require to work online. He couldn't do it, said he didn't want to because he isn't familiar with these things. I said it's the 21 first century and you have to be able to install a damn program on your pc. He then told me, the chemistry between us isn't right and he'd look for somebody else.
    I immediately thought "You're never gonna make it through residency with that attitude".
    Take away message: You have to bring some resiliency to medicine.
    For the rest, I don't believe for a second that actual racism is a major cause for all of that. It's rather the entire problem of social mobility and, to some extend, different subcultures. I also worked on the IAT and implicit bias training when I studied psychology and the data on that seem clear, stating it does more harm than good.

    • @caroll9532
      @caroll9532 2 года назад +5

      I think racism does play a role. As a Latina I had some very racist interviewers for multiple medical schools, and even went as far as to file a formal complaint about one of them. No surprise, I did not get accepted to those medical schools, but eventually did at some much better institutions. Thankfully, I believe my grades/experiences carried me through but I can see how this would have been a huge issue for a standard minority applicant who only had a couple interview invites.
      Like with everything else, it’s a combination of factors.

    • @Praisethesunson
      @Praisethesunson Год назад

      You are a white dude. How would you know how racist a system is that when you are literally never exposed to it?

    • @arokan327
      @arokan327 Год назад

      @@Praisethesunson First of all I don't subscribe to any kind of standpoint theories. "Lived experience" is worthless of not backed up by data. This is the message of literally any science class 101.
      It's very hard to prove anything to drive by racist motives. Outcomes alone are not significant; again: you cannot draw conclusions about the process from any outcome, this is the black-box phenomenon.
      So if you want to make the case that something is in fact due to racism, and it has been done successfully, you collect your data and correct it by any legitimate measure that's not racism, because you cannot measure racism directly; nobody will admit to it, and what's left might be due to racism, yet not conclusively, but probably. When there's noting left, racism has not significantly contributed to the process or outcome.
      That should be the process, that's why to scientists in their right mind, sociology and its derivatives have lost almost all of their credibility.

    • @Praisethesunson
      @Praisethesunson Год назад

      @@arokan327 Lol just because YOU can't "draw conclusions about a process from any outcome" doesn't mean you get to ascribe your obvious ignorance to everyone else.
      Ivy leagues invented quota systems for applicants to keep our Jews.
      They didn't have to do that for black people because it was already illegal for black people to go the ivy leagues for literally all but the last 40 years of American history.
      They made quotas for Asians in the last 30 years specifically to keep Asians from being the majority of student bases. Since Asians just cracked the codes of the BS metric tests that were designed to put the kids of already privileged white people in those schools.
      All of which you would know if you spent less then trying to abstract away the problems people you clearly don't interact with have to face daily. Racism isn't measured like temperature you dolt. It's application of power on people who aren't you. And power is something your masters have spent your entire life keeping you blind to.
      You don't think racism exists until it meets your arbitrary and deliberately pernicious metrics. No one has to convince you racism exists in modern institutions white boi. You have no power. You just wallow in your ignorance and since you don't have any friends you lie to yourself and dare to claim your ignorance is you being objective.
      Go touch grass in a park outside your racially segreaged neighborhood.

    • @arokan327
      @arokan327 Год назад

      @@Praisethesunson Oh yeah sure, lived experience and critical theory are obviously superior to the scientific method :D

  • @OverlordOfEcchi
    @OverlordOfEcchi 2 года назад +22

    Yeah I'd rather have the best available doctor, not the arbitrarily-ethnic-diversity-hire doctor. Inclusivity is useless, stick to merit.

    • @fionafiona1146
      @fionafiona1146 2 года назад +10

      As someone who happens to be female the data on UK surgery outcomes suggested that "diverse" surgeons has no worse outcomes for white men but much better outcomes for all other demographics than their "homogeneous" colleges... making me believe that "arbitrary diversity" is the highest predictive factor I can access for getting a qualified medical provider.
      Being part of a majority population apparently isn't sufficient in a world where two X chromosomes confuse medical doctors into worse patient outcomes unless these doctors aren't WASPS.

    • @Healermain15
      @Healermain15 2 года назад

      Don't worry, only the richest and whitest doctors will be allowed to operate on you.

    • @paxundpeace9970
      @paxundpeace9970 2 года назад

      100 years ago you wouldn't have had a choice even between a male or female doctor for the most part.

  • @willemvandebeek
    @willemvandebeek 2 года назад +3

    Academia is rotten to the core by nepotism.

  • @Nonattients
    @Nonattients 2 года назад +2

    And you didn't even get into trans and non-binary students or intersectional perspectives..

  • @StellarAudyssey
    @StellarAudyssey 2 года назад +7

    This channel’s credibility is coming into question.

    • @Jay-ho9io
      @Jay-ho9io 2 года назад +7

      Not in the opinion of anyone who matters.

    • @StellarAudyssey
      @StellarAudyssey 2 года назад +1

      @@Jay-ho9io Is that supposed to hurt my feelings? You’re surely one of those tough guys who thinks racism is everywhere. Give me a break.

    • @Praisethesunson
      @Praisethesunson Год назад +1

      Found the racist

  • @MysterEarl
    @MysterEarl 2 года назад +3

    Aren’t Asians a minority group too? Seems like there are many Indian and Chinese doctors. If I were a patient, it wouldn’t matter to me what race or gender the doctor is as as he/she is competent. The artificial barriers are often a result of subcultures and over regulation. Government intervention has caused higher education costs to go up which makes it prohibitively expensive for most people. Many people are good in identifying problems but the solutions they prescribe only make things worse. Introducing DIE will only add to the cost of medical education.

    • @fionafiona1146
      @fionafiona1146 2 года назад +2

      If I was a patent I would like the conditions that alling with the statistically best outcomes and in the UK those statistics suggest that woman's surgery results averaged much worse whenever male surgeons operated.
      I would prefer not to have as huge differences between health outcomes or a mechanism by which they occured explained to me but until then finding a woman to perform elective surgery on me might be my best bet.

    • @Praisethesunson
      @Praisethesunson Год назад

      Oh honey. The government deliberately removed itself from higher education to let the corporate overlords handle who gets access to the book learnings. And they did so before you were even born.
      You are simping for your lord god markets. Which is sad because they'd burn you for fuel if it made them an extra nickel.

  • @Jake-Day
    @Jake-Day 2 года назад +10

    My Latino wife told me to tell you it’s okay to be white and you don’t need to make these videos to atone for it.

    • @fionafiona1146
      @fionafiona1146 2 года назад +2

      Incase the link didn't come through, would you mind telling me where I can look to get surgery with low rates of adverse events for a "woman body" if not trough "female" Doctor's superior surgery results?

    • @CG_Hali
      @CG_Hali 2 года назад +9

      That is not why he's doing it. He could be Black or Asian and this matter of public health should still be discussed.

    • @asianamericanadvice6016
      @asianamericanadvice6016 2 года назад +1

      @@CG_Hali I agree that he is likely just interested in the topic. I would also like people to stop assuming that because of the lack of diversity, hospitals and schools are motivated by racial bias. They may very well be to some degree but the first assumption should be that some groups are not being forced by their parents to study for hours each day. That is the main commonality among those who get into med school on their own merit. Sadly, by lowering the standards wholesale on an entire race, year after year, the system has systematically robbed them of the chief incentive to study their butts off like Asians are forced to. I make no assumption that the system is racially biased against Blacks even though affirmative action has steadily eroded the culture of Black study incentives. Just like I dont assume the RUclipsr here is motivated by white guilt. Collective White guilt is at fault for the undercutting of Black incentives and therefore Black achievements, but it's hard pin down anything on a single individual.

  • @1DangerMouse1
    @1DangerMouse1 2 года назад +7

    Wokeness of course had to come here. Somehow Asian people without much money manage. An inconvenient minority for this sort of content.

    • @fionafiona1146
      @fionafiona1146 2 года назад

      As far as I can see woman with a lot of money make it sometimes. Either way diversity in research and medical practice (including more than 2 cathegories of people) are associated with better data (reproducibility) and better patent outcomes (fewer surgery complications, among other things).

  • @DMZ40
    @DMZ40 2 года назад +4

    Whoa, that was the fastest zero-to-woke ramp-up I have seen.

  • @purplealice
    @purplealice 2 года назад

    I was in the hospital a few weeks ago having my gallbladder removed, and most of the nurses and medical technicians seemed to be Southeast Asian women (all wearing beautiful hijabs) who were nearly dark enough for someone to call them "black" (a beautiful dark-coffee shade). They were all very skilful and professional at what they did. The surgeon who removed my gallbladder was Brazilian.

  • @darfjono
    @darfjono Год назад

    muhversity is cringe

  • @shawnmccarty2617
    @shawnmccarty2617 Год назад

    Treating people differently because of their race is racist. So you don't think black people should have to take tests? This obsession with race and gender has set us back decades of progress. I think this video is ridiculous. I would be deeply offended if I was treated like I was special needs just because of my race.

  • @jesuschristusnumberonefan
    @jesuschristusnumberonefan 2 года назад

    diversity (excluding having both men and women at the workplace) has actually proven to have a net negative effect.

    • @fionafiona1146
      @fionafiona1146 2 года назад +3

      Can you point me to data on that?
      I have most recent read that Men are fine at performing surgery in the UK on men but have much worse results for female patients and it would be accordingly relevant if there should be any space left for men to continue to perform Surgery at all in an optimal workplace.

    • @l01230123
      @l01230123 2 года назад

      Did it take Jesus 7 days to find data, or are you just spreading misinformation? 🤔
      Also, your definition of diversity is probably one of the funniest, melodramatic things I've ever seen. I can't think of a *single* *place* on Earth that exclude "both men and women" despite promoting _diversity,_ so what you believe is just bullshit 😅

  • @DinoRamzi
    @DinoRamzi 2 года назад

    Boy, you sure swallowed the whole woke narrative hook, line and sinker.
    Not to deny that there is a problem, but the framework is wrong and significant parts are simply false.
    Look into the data on implicit bias, for example. It has been significantly undermined by hard data. Debunked. Implicit bias does not exist. It is not a valid test. And attempts to correct it make people more prejudiced.

    • @Praisethesunson
      @Praisethesunson Год назад

      Ok Boomer. Reminder that while you stay shut in your racially segreaged neighborhood.

    • @DinoRamzi
      @DinoRamzi Год назад

      @@Praisethesunson Whatever zoomer! I live in quite a diverse area. Your ignorance is astonishing, your comprehension poor beyond belief and your presumption simply insulting.
      I am North African FYI.

    • @Praisethesunson
      @Praisethesunson Год назад

      @@DinoRamzi Everyone already knew where you live boomer. You live in a segreaged neighborhood.

    • @DinoRamzi
      @DinoRamzi Год назад

      @@Praisethesunson Why would you say that? We've already established you don't know what you're talking about.

    • @Praisethesunson
      @Praisethesunson Год назад

      @@DinoRamzi You don't know and your boomer background makes you incapable of noticing. Go touch grass in an areas of your town where you aren't the majority race. When you do try not to call the police cause you feel scared.

  • @BereaverBand
    @BereaverBand 2 года назад

    Diversity is political double speak for anti white.
    Most of the time racial disparities exist for completely benign reasons

  • @adamkatz6532
    @adamkatz6532 2 года назад +2

    This is so impressively casual and unlettered so early on in the video. Why would you publish these thoughts willingly I wonder.