@@smollkitteh1337 Not in this case. This exact comparison was done by Edmunds with similar results. Speculation is this is not a 503hp BMW, more like 600hp.
@thiosemicarbizidebenzoylal2921 I agree with that. Most of BMW cars are heat soaked before doing their testing, which results in lower hp on dyno. I had a 2015 RC350 F-sport and that thing was alright fast, with 306hp, butttttt.. when I test drove the 2018 N55 Motor M2 with 19,000 miles, holy shit, that thing was definitely not 365hp as advertised lol. Felt more like 420-430hp and 450lb torque. It's really not that bad for $40,000 used. I'm also considering the m2 competition "advertised" 405hp/406ft-lb. It's probably more like 450 or 475hp.
German auto makers do give their real horsepower numbers, they just do it in the worst possible conditions. So this M4 will make it's advertised 503 horsepower at 15,000 ft and 110 degrees with 90% humidity. What it makes elsewhere is a different story. They do this so you are guaranteed advertised horsepower no matter where you are and what conditions you are in.
I've seen several dynamometer tests on both cars and the results were as follows. C8 430whp - 450whp. The M4 competition's was always between 509whp - 536whp. In short, the difference in power between the two is quite large and the result was obvious from the start, since in addition to being AWD, the BMW has an advantage of more or less 60whp
Wow what a great race! Interesting to see how two very different cars (but similar on paper) perform. Man those beemers can pull… (they make more hp for sure) the way BMW tune those engines is amazing
C8Z has horrible torque with the flat plane crank engine. These turbocharged straight 6 make crazy torque. Torque wins races period especially if you can plant it to the ground with Xdrive and for the price of a new Z you can get a much better performing car than a C8Z. the M3 and M4 with downpipes and exhaust and other supporting mods will put down 6 to 700 to the wheels AWD hell you can even tune the new Z yet very disappointing GM could have done a lot better. The C8ZR1 will be the the car to set the bar against if it has the good that are floating around.
, so I go to the fish market, buy and pay for 2 fish 🐟, when I arrive home, find 3 fish on the bag???? In this case, thank you bmw for giving me more for the money
Great video! Could you make the text of the specs of the car bigger? And show both at the same time, with both sets of data following the same syntax? Would be much easier to compare that way
Nothing is shocking but the clickbait title. A forced induction car will have the win every time over a similarly powered NA car on a roll race. Same in the drag, NA will have the jump but turbobwill reel it in at the end. This video accomplished nothing for the car world.
Technically you’re wrong - they both advertise crank hp. Probably different standards. The real killer is that the BMW is making way more torque down low and through the rev range.
@@hpickettz34 in Australia at least and the vast majority of countries - all power numbers, and pretty much all manufacturers use crank hp (it’s a bigger number for a start and an industry standard). Some use DIN or SAE, JIS, bhp, PS etc. but fundamentally similar. Density altitude will be a bigger determinant than the difference between some of the international crank measurements. Whp is flawed as this could be measured by Mustang Dyno, dynamics, or wheel hub dyno and takes into account even more variables
I call bs. That Corvette was shifting way too early in all the runs except for last. You could even hear the guy clicking the paddle shifters. And then the Corvette beats the BMW at the end? You guys are so gullible. 😂🤣
@@nubi4life the c8 beat the bmw at the end because the bmw was in rear wheel drive mode and not the xdrive mode. Xdrive mode is a lot faster and that’s what it was using in all the other races.
As we know the German monsters BMW, Mercedes, Porsche and Audi/VW never give the real numbers when it comes to horsepower and torque. Plus the transmissions are usually dual clutch with the capability to tune it to shift even quicker. Doesn’t really surprise me here. I knew this would happen
@@FordPickUPRed in vancouver at sea level i see tuned g80 m3s and m4s run 9.8 to 10.3 all day its insane used to live in the rockies only hypercars would run mid 10 s
Expected with similar HP and torque. I saw one race on RUclips with a M4 with 503 HP vs Ford Mustang GT500 with 760 HP! They were wondering why the M4 lost?
Nice comparison! It didn´t shock me at all, I expected that outcome! C8´s lower mass centre is giving it a real advantage from a both RW start. Roll race M4 walks away and M4 in Xdrive mode is not comparable at all. Despite the M4 might have more power than factory claimed but more weight than the C8, it cannot keep up in the roll... Guess at least the sound competition will be pro C8
In awd sport mode, it’s faster than the c8 in all aspects. RWD mode does not put the same power/torque down. If you want to compare RWD platforms you compare the standard comp.
That BMW does not have enough of a power and tq advantage to negate its roughly 250lb weight disadvantage. Point is, its definitely underrated. Its probably around 503whp not crank
. It has more than enough power to compensate for 250lbs considering that 250lbs is a decimal if were talking hp/weight ratio. It makes 0 difference in acceleration.
The weight varies depending on the configuration and packages. An M3/M4 with carbon bucket seats and carbon ceramic brakes can be considerably lighter than a fully loaded car without those. Also, it matters where the weight is distributed. C8 wheels are bigger and a few pounds heavier.
I mean it's only 0.5 seconds apart from the Plaid's 0-60 time, and the M3 actually does the 60ft and 0-30 better than the Plaid. A tuned M3 is faster than a Plaid. They are already in the 8s with proper setups
I expected that outcome as someone noted the RW dyno numbers., but it didn’t sound like you were using launch control on the C8. In general your BMW driver seemed more aggressive.
American cars are trash. High hp means nothing, it’s all bout how you put the HP down to the ground. That’s why the Germans always outperform the Americans, better suspension, better transmissions, resulting in better performance.
@@bobbyspanino6874actually no multiple drivers have managed 10.9 stock with a c8 so it does have a little more room. But either way the m4 is sandbagging in horsepower numbers, everyone knows when you dyno an m4 it actually makes more power than bmw claims, the real crank hp numbers is around 600hp range do. This m4 will not stand a chance against the e ray corvette.
@@rosaydabossrockeymore8410 base model Vette has 500 HP wym lol. Trash 🚮 either way. Bmw > Chevy easily. They just put the HP down to the ground better.
C8 has advantage of mid engine. More weight on rear tires and comes with wider tires than m4 stock. Also NA motor with lower torque and less torque at lower rpm, so bmw rear tires gets blasted with way more torque and at low rpms, further giving it a hard time putting power down.
@@MikeyG003BMW does not execute traction control better than Chevrolet either. They will never put their power down as well as any high performance *gm* vehicle because their engineering does not exceed that of the Corvette racing team or Cadillac V-series performance division.
@@G-Ratedlol how dumb do you sound? The front engine M4 beats the mid engine stingray on Nurburgring, so much for your unstoppable corvette racing team. Oh yeah and so does the m4csl against the ZL1 1le on Nurburgring with less cylinders and power. Bmw engineering>
Because using RWD will disable launch control and limit the power. BMW officially said many times that RWD mode is designated for drifting only and not drag racing, but everyone is now doing a drag race with the RWD mode.
Considering that the ugly bmw is heavier, less low end torque, less aerodynamic, loses 10% power from outdated fluid torque converter slushbox automatic, loses another 10% from awd drivetrain loss, i would say this result is phyisically impossible, as confirmed by other videos.
Actually, they are usually dead on the money on a proper dyno, not a tuner dyno which produces massively inflated figures. It's a testament to BMW engineering, the cars are always on the money in terms of power. This is what you want, precision engineering, not shonky engineering with cars making different power. The only manufacturer that seriously underrates their cars is McLaren who always quotes worst numbers, they also like BMW though reliably produce the same numbers from car to car.
just cant beat the germans in cars man o my god. betwen this , the new supra, PORSCHE forget it man. top best in the world for cars. just look at the GT porsche series. no one does cars better them
2wd race is BS. The xDrive M4 isn't meant to race in 2wd. It doesn't have any launch control in that mode and only uses a basic traction control. If you want to run a 2wd against the Vette, use a 2wd M4. It at least have the ability to put the power down and had launch control.
roll race is garbage for 2 way different motors. corvette torque is down low. bmw is up high. depending on where in the rev range u are corvettes always gonna lose!
the result is kinda expected. no way the m4 comp can lose, simply from the perspective of power. Curious how does M4comp compare to C8 Z06 on the straight, as C8 should be faster at laps 🤔
No shock. The M4 generates power much earlier at 2800 rpm and Corvette creates at 5800 rpm. So M4 is quicker. There was no way the corvette was catching up to the M4
Them turbos suckin through them turtle nostrils show ya what it do up top, nice Vette but i would take the last year model vette with a manual an normal a v8 for the more aggressive sound
Still the worst camera angles I have ever seen when it comes to car racing. Its such a "drag" to watch the vehicles we are interested in with your production value always being such an after thought, even after a couple years now. SMH ! !
I owned a C8 Stingray and a BMW with the B58 engine, I will tell you BMW sand bag the true HP on all their engines. If BMW says 503HP, that is at the wheel not at the crank. I have first hand experience with the S58 engine, and I tell you is a beast.
FYI those M4 Comps make 520-530 hp to the wheels whereas the C8 makes 440 hp to the wheels. So the hp advantage is not slight. its big. So the BMW claim of 503 hp is 1.one wheel horse power and 2. it is understimiated for business puposes.
Yea ai suppose German engineering truly shines when compared to *base model* American engineering. Lol. Price and trim level should be considered when you’re comparing the performance of someone’s top model (M4C) amongst their lineup to someone’s base model (Stingray).
I don't care if it is slower in this particular comparison, driving the C8 will turn all the heads and the M4 will have everyone thinking your a BMW douche bag haha
@@-Zelo haha, I live in Canada and seeing one is rare, probably because people wont drive it in the snow and that's a lot of money to drive a car for 6 months of the year. I also don't see a ton of M4's but a C8 stands out from a block away but you can drive by a BMW and not even notice it is there.
I sold BMW’s for 8 years, two things are true 1: BMW understates power 2: the transmissions are superb. On a side note, the AWD system shuts down and reverts all power to the rear at 100-110 mph.
@emekaiheanacho274 idk it might be closer than you think. The m4 walked from this corvette and technically on paper the corvette should've won. Since its near identical power plus being lighter. Even in RWD mode the M4 was hawking it down the runway!
@@emekaiheanacho274lol don’t be sure about that. Most 0-60 tests have them neck and neck and we know BMW are the ones that don’t overeaggerate HP. Example most dynos have the 660 hp zl1 and c7 zo6 only 70 wheel hp difference when on paper it’s supposed to be 160 crank hp more than the m3/m4 comp.
@@G-Rated yup, taking my whole family on trips while smoking c8’s at the same time… it’s pretty nice. Oh and the m4 comp xDrive beats the c8 on the reference road course (Nurburgring) too (7’30” vs 7’28.5”). Better bring the ZO6.
@@Bimmer_Bill Yea, we’re going to bring the ZO6 and maybe the E-Ray too just to humble you down, because everyone here knows whenever *you* say “C8” you’re actually talking about a base model Stingray ($65k sports-car) - which is the only Corvette that will lose a race to a $90k BMW. 😂
@@G-Rated lol you’re trying to compare a purpose built sports car to a family car? 🤣🤣🤣🤣wrong, 🥲🥲🥲🤣btw the m4 CSL is even faster than the track specific Camaro zl1 1le despite having 120 less horsepower. The mighty Eray runs the same 1/4 mile as a bmw m5 cs (10.6), the z06 is actually slower yet you say any bmw doesn’t match up? The m5cs is a four door family car too! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 GM cars at a joke compared to European cars on the track (name your vette and I show you a faster production euro car). Stick with corvette price point, you peasant
@@show2imec8 Eray would dog the shit out of ANY bmw production car. Same with the c8 z06. Same with the c7 z06, same with the c7 zr1 lol. Cut the crap. 2023 M4 CSL is so slow! That it did 7:15 at the Nurburgring. When the corvette did 7:13 back in 2015 with the c7 z06 with a manual transmission by a car magazine journalist. C8 z06 ran 10.2 bone stock by Will farmer, go look it up. C8 ERAY isn’t out yet but savagegeese recorded the c8 Eray doing 2.2 0-60. Hagerty recorded a c8 Eray doing a 10.4 on non prepped surface. C7 z06 ran 10.4 by will farmer 100% stock. C7 zr1 ran high 9’s again by Will farmer (AKA professional drag racer) and again STOCK. Cut the crap.
Sam, funny how the comments are mostly people saying unfair race. But me, for the first time in a while.. thought it was a great race. Well done. That guy knows how to drive his vette, and you did well in the bmw.
Two different torque curves. The turbo in the bmw builds it's full torque like 2k rpms lower and quicker than the vette so I knew what the outcome would be. Power number alone aren't what would have made it equal, the way the power is built and delivered is what makes or breaks. Moral: N/A vs N/A same power ratings or Turbo vs Turbo same power ratings will be a closer race.
I have an M4 and although I've never raced a Corvette, I'm not sure how the M4 would do against a Z06. I'm guessing not near as well lol. Maybe an M4 with a tune could beat the Z06 but not a stock M4.
Putting an AWD vehicle in RWD mode isn't exactly fair either, as all the additional weight from the AWD-drivetrain still contributes to the curb weight. If you put the M4 in RWD-mode, it would only be fair to add at least 200 lbs (eg. a passenger) to the C8.
After 3 years I just can’t warm up to the looks of the M4. No way no how could I consider buying such a turd car with that front end. The design team should be fired period. BMW has been heading in the wrong direction for awhile now.
Is that why they are selling triple the amount of their m3/ m4 g8x models then their old f8x per year? U obv never seen one with aftermarket grilles or lowered with a front splitter. They look unique and new. I see 3 c8s going to the gym. It's all old men in them too 😂😂 really is a poor mans sports car.
U serious? This isn't top of the line. A m5 or m8 is. Also these are the same price. A z06 with dealership markups are going for 160k same with the eRay
This is far from shocking. BMW and Mercedes have never given the REAL horsepower figures for their cars.
Its about the transmission too, not only horsepower
@@smollkitteh1337 Not in this case. This exact comparison was done by Edmunds with similar results. Speculation is this is not a 503hp BMW, more like 600hp.
@thiosemicarbizidebenzoylal2921 I agree with that. Most of BMW cars are heat soaked before doing their testing, which results in lower hp on dyno. I had a 2015 RC350 F-sport and that thing was alright fast, with 306hp, butttttt.. when I test drove the 2018 N55 Motor M2 with 19,000 miles, holy shit, that thing was definitely not 365hp as advertised lol. Felt more like 420-430hp and 450lb torque. It's really not that bad for $40,000 used. I'm also considering the m2 competition "advertised" 405hp/406ft-lb. It's probably more like 450 or 475hp.
I believe there is speculation that the hp figures are whp...which makes sense. Good stuff Sam!
German auto makers do give their real horsepower numbers, they just do it in the worst possible conditions. So this M4 will make it's advertised 503 horsepower at 15,000 ft and 110 degrees with 90% humidity. What it makes elsewhere is a different story. They do this so you are guaranteed advertised horsepower no matter where you are and what conditions you are in.
I've seen several dynamometer tests on both cars and the results were as follows. C8 430whp - 450whp. The M4 competition's was always between 509whp - 536whp. In short, the difference in power between the two is quite large and the result was obvious from the start, since in addition to being AWD, the BMW has an advantage of more or less 60whp
X3M and M3/4 make 480whp consistent on dyno. Anything showing 500+ is exaggerated
@@lilnicky131 ????
@@laurent36 you don't know shit about cars.
M4 is heavier than the Corvette and has a better transmission. Stop bring up excuses. M4 is faster than this Corvette. That’s it!
@@m.b.6744 lmfao. Try again loser
This was expected. M4 just an amazing machine. Great job BMW
Yep it is
False
@@henzo7087aside ftom the warranty work coming in
@@Duece-_- it clearly is a great machine walked a mid engine car lol
They are so much faster than previous M cars
It's incredible
“Yea yea straight forward” proceeds to hit rev limiter 😂
Wow what a great race! Interesting to see how two very different cars (but similar on paper) perform.
Man those beemers can pull… (they make more hp for sure) the way BMW tune those engines is amazing
Bet that wouldn’t happen with a c8 zo6. Seems. Unfair souped up bimmer against base c8
C8Z has horrible torque with the flat plane crank engine. These turbocharged straight 6 make crazy torque. Torque wins races period especially if you can plant it to the ground with Xdrive and for the price of a new Z you can get a much better performing car than a C8Z. the M3 and M4 with downpipes and exhaust and other supporting mods will put down 6 to 700 to the wheels AWD hell you can even tune the new Z yet very disappointing GM could have done a lot better. The C8ZR1 will be the the car to set the bar against if it has the good that are floating around.
Wouldn’t be surprised if the beemer put 503 whp stock
They're notoriously underrated from the factory for sure.
@@WineHouse33bmw had the car in the worst possible condition when they did the dyno runs 😂
They definitely lied about how much HP it has wow has at least 60 to 100 more HP than they say it has easily…
At my local tuner shop, I sat there and watched the guys dyno a g82 pre-tune. It was making 536hp and 473lb tq on 93 😂😂
Bmw is smart for underrating their cars
Strange because on my dyno show me 517hp. I think you talking shitttttt 😢
, so I go to the fish market, buy and pay for 2 fish 🐟, when I arrive home, find 3 fish on the bag???? In this case, thank you bmw for giving me more for the money
still not same as 700 hp 💀
Lmfao Corvette being mid engine, lighter and better aero just to get dumped on by a heavier BMW
C8 Corvette are duds
The person driving the C8 is losing on purpose, Horrible shifts, lol. Why even waste your time posting this
Vette boys mad 😂. Eray this eray that, give the m4 650hp lile the eray and it'll dog that too! 😂 cry harder
No you need a real garage is GTR & Z nissan is Real daddy!
Great video! Could you make the text of the specs of the car bigger? And show both at the same time, with both sets of data following the same syntax? Would be much easier to compare that way
Yes I was about to ask the same!
Nothing is shocking but the clickbait title. A forced induction car will have the win every time over a similarly powered NA car on a roll race. Same in the drag, NA will have the jump but turbobwill reel it in at the end. This video accomplished nothing for the car world.
There is so much more factors other than power of FI VS NA. Your comment did nothing for the car world.
Great cars! I am wondering how good are the new Corevette E-ray AWD systems compared to the BMW Xdrive.
My only problem with new BMW's is that you have to look at them...
😂
I feel like you get used to the new grille design after seeing it a few times. It's actually quite an interesting design
The beaver teeth grew on me.. especially the M3..
@@johngabucci Ugly chicks need love to, there's nothing wrong with that.
If you don't like the grill...get the M8....I have one.
That's the difference between 500 American horsepower and 500 German horsepower.. One manufacturer rates em at crank, the other at wheel.
That’s boost for you
@@2seep I'm curious what you mean by that?
Technically you’re wrong - they both advertise crank hp. Probably different standards. The real killer is that the BMW is making way more torque down low and through the rev range.
@MrTroytroy where does it say bmw advertise crank hp
@@hpickettz34 in Australia at least and the vast majority of countries - all power numbers, and pretty much all manufacturers use crank hp (it’s a bigger number for a start and an industry standard). Some use DIN or SAE, JIS, bhp, PS etc. but fundamentally similar. Density altitude will be a bigger determinant than the difference between some of the international crank measurements. Whp is flawed as this could be measured by Mustang Dyno, dynamics, or wheel hub dyno and takes into account even more variables
What is the 1/4 mile time for M4 in AWD?
In the 8s. Stock in the 10s
Stock is usually 11.0 seconds@@AlexFlores-cr6hb
@@AlexFlores-cr6hb what do you mean 8 seconds than proceed to say stock in the 10s boss?
I call bs. That Corvette was shifting way too early in all the runs except for last. You could even hear the guy clicking the paddle shifters. And then the Corvette beats the BMW at the end? You guys are so gullible. 😂🤣
@@nubi4life the c8 beat the bmw at the end because the bmw was in rear wheel drive mode and not the xdrive mode. Xdrive mode is a lot faster and that’s what it was using in all the other races.
As we know the German monsters BMW, Mercedes, Porsche and Audi/VW never give the real numbers when it comes to horsepower and torque. Plus the transmissions are usually dual clutch with the capability to tune it to shift even quicker. Doesn’t really surprise me here. I knew this would happen
M4 is torq converted corvette is DCT fyi
You knew they were'nt going to use the C8 launch control?!
@@volkswagenhawk7094better gearing than the vette at the end of the day
That was a fun matchup, but not difficult to predict a winner on.
Corvette C8 E-Ray is the one to get. Please try to get one on the channel whenever they start getting delivered.
Not a shocking result to me more horsepower and torque usually win 🤙🤙🤙
Bmw, Mercedes, Audi give wheel hp not crank
I love putting the gap on them c8 in my Supra, especially when I know almost all of them paid 30k more than I did for their car.
I think the E Ray would be a better contender than a regular C8
U realize the e ray is in another price range.
True - would easily walk the sedan, and more relevant since same price range
Yeah and an M4 CS would be a better pick than an M4 and it's STILL cheaper than an eray
Not surprised by result. When Bmw advertise horsepower it is wheel horsepower. G80x dyno at about 480-500 wheel horsepower so crank is like 530-550.
Guy in the c8 doesn't know how to drive it
Wow In Denver c8 barely run 13.5 it’s crazy how much altitude affects it!
That is horrible considering a Kia Stinger in Ontario Canada can do 10s on stock turbos.
@@FordPickUPRed yep the hellcats hear barely run 12.0 and that’s on drag radials
@@FordPickUPRed in vancouver at sea level i see tuned g80 m3s and m4s run 9.8 to 10.3 all day its insane used to live in the rockies only hypercars would run mid 10 s
Expected with similar HP and torque. I saw one race on RUclips with a M4 with 503 HP vs Ford Mustang GT500 with 760 HP! They were wondering why the M4 lost?
That M4 gets Down! Impressive launch with the X-Drive! Great way to start my Saturday with a new drag race from Sam Da Man!
Nice comparison! It didn´t shock me at all, I expected that outcome! C8´s lower mass centre is giving it a real advantage from a both RW start. Roll race M4 walks away and M4 in Xdrive mode is not comparable at all. Despite the M4 might have more power than factory claimed but more weight than the C8, it cannot keep up in the roll... Guess at least the sound competition will be pro C8
In awd sport mode, it’s faster than the c8 in all aspects. RWD mode does not put the same power/torque down. If you want to compare RWD platforms you compare the standard comp.
@@Bimmer_Billnot really
That BMW does not have enough of a power and tq advantage to negate its roughly 250lb weight disadvantage. Point is, its definitely underrated. Its probably around 503whp not crank
They say 10hp is roughly 100pds or so. A 50whp gap is plenty of a gap to shrugg off 250 pds on a roll. Bmw's numbers are whp and not crank.
. It has more than enough power to compensate for 250lbs considering that 250lbs is a decimal if were talking hp/weight ratio. It makes 0 difference in acceleration.
The weight varies depending on the configuration and packages. An M3/M4 with carbon bucket seats and carbon ceramic brakes can be considerably lighter than a fully loaded car without those. Also, it matters where the weight is distributed. C8 wheels are bigger and a few pounds heavier.
N/A vs boosted
That launch with the Xdrive mode is insane!!!
Gave me Tesla Model S Plaid vibes!!
I mean it's only 0.5 seconds apart from the Plaid's 0-60 time, and the M3 actually does the 60ft and 0-30 better than the Plaid. A tuned M3 is faster than a Plaid. They are already in the 8s with proper setups
@@DMCarReviews and runs 9.4 with basic bolt ons on e85/gas mix full weight stock tires.
@@Bimmer_Bill Correct!
If seen one with a simple turbo upgrade run a 8.9 quarter mile. Not even a full build
@@G82Watts yup! Just did it! Stock turbos, stock engine, full weight with comfort seats. The s58 and b58 platforms are phenomenal!
I expected that outcome as someone noted the RW dyno numbers., but it didn’t sound like you were using launch control on the C8. In general your BMW driver seemed more aggressive.
5:38 corvette clearly engaging in launch control.
American cars are trash. High hp means nothing, it’s all bout how you put the HP down to the ground. That’s why the Germans always outperform the Americans, better suspension, better transmissions, resulting in better performance.
I don't think the c8 launched as well as it should have but still a pretty close race
11.3 is about as good as you can get on a C8.
@bobbyspanino6874 ok but I feel like it could have gotten a better 0 to 60, I've seen 2.7 2.6 from the c8 stingray
@@chrism869 possibly so if equipped with the Z51 package. C8 in the video is a regular C8
@@bobbyspanino6874actually no multiple drivers have managed 10.9 stock with a c8 so it does have a little more room. But either way the m4 is sandbagging in horsepower numbers, everyone knows when you dyno an m4 it actually makes more power than bmw claims, the real crank hp numbers is around 600hp range do. This m4 will not stand a chance against the e ray corvette.
@@N0neofyourbusiness.C8s will not do 10.8-10.9 stock wtf are you smoking?
Beating a base model vette....WHOOWHOOOO!!🙄🙄😂😂😂
@@rosaydabossrockeymore8410 base model Vette has 500 HP wym lol. Trash 🚮 either way. Bmw > Chevy easily. They just put the HP down to the ground better.
Another proof that M4 Competition has it's power figure "conservatively" stated.. 😀
Yeah!!! The M4 has 503hp.....to the wheels!!!
Who cares? Lol
@@user-yi9hz3or2t BMW cares!!!
"Average Joe's " love to hate on BMW 🤣
Define "average joe"? are you trying to say poor?
Good race, m4 really takes a hit in RWD
As expected with AWD weight would be fair for RWD not Xdrive M3 has same power but less weight, C8 beaten in all races
C8 has advantage of mid engine. More weight on rear tires and comes with wider tires than m4 stock. Also NA motor with lower torque and less torque at lower rpm, so bmw rear tires gets blasted with way more torque and at low rpms, further giving it a hard time putting power down.
@@MikeyG003BMW does not execute traction control better than Chevrolet either. They will never put their power down as well as any high performance *gm* vehicle because their engineering does not exceed that of the Corvette racing team or Cadillac V-series performance division.
@@G-Ratedlol how dumb do you sound? The front engine M4 beats the mid engine stingray on Nurburgring, so much for your unstoppable corvette racing team. Oh yeah and so does the m4csl against the ZL1 1le on Nurburgring with less cylinders and power. Bmw engineering>
Because using RWD will disable launch control and limit the power. BMW officially said many times that RWD mode is designated for drifting only and not drag racing, but everyone is now doing a drag race with the RWD mode.
Considering that the ugly bmw is heavier, less low end torque, less aerodynamic, loses 10% power from outdated fluid torque converter slushbox automatic, loses another 10% from awd drivetrain loss, i would say this result is phyisically impossible, as confirmed by other videos.
BMW power numbers are notoriously underrated. Shocking only if you've never owned a BMW M series
Actually, they are usually dead on the money on a proper dyno, not a tuner dyno which produces massively inflated figures. It's a testament to BMW engineering, the cars are always on the money in terms of power. This is what you want, precision engineering, not shonky engineering with cars making different power. The only manufacturer that seriously underrates their cars is McLaren who always quotes worst numbers, they also like BMW though reliably produce the same numbers from car to car.
Nice attempt, but throughly incorrect@@LeeXRV
@@WineHouse33 - Nice attempt? Odd reply.
Nowhere near shocking tbh. Just having a handful of extra ponies combined with 4 wheel drive is enough to give any car the edge over the C8.
There’s a reason he didn’t post awd 1/4 mile time, it’s not any different from rwd, and I’ve owned two of these magnificent inline 6 twin turbos
Sam…note the go: mark. Say it or state it on the screen when u guys kick down
just cant beat the germans in cars man o my god. betwen this , the new supra, PORSCHE forget it man. top best in the world for cars. just look at the GT porsche series. no one does cars better them
Yea Chevy trippin charging similar prices to that M. A decently optioned c8 should be closer to 70k not 90k
2wd race is BS. The xDrive M4 isn't meant to race in 2wd. It doesn't have any launch control in that mode and only uses a basic traction control.
If you want to run a 2wd against the Vette, use a 2wd M4. It at least have the ability to put the power down and had launch control.
roll race is garbage for 2 way different motors. corvette torque is down low. bmw is up high. depending on where in the rev range u are corvettes always gonna lose!
the result is kinda expected. no way the m4 comp can lose, simply from the perspective of power. Curious how does M4comp compare to C8 Z06 on the straight, as C8 should be faster at laps 🤔
Bro can't even shift a dct without slamming the rev limiter, can't launch a car with launch control. I'm speechless
No shock. The M4 generates power much earlier at 2800 rpm and Corvette creates at 5800 rpm. So M4 is quicker. There was no way the corvette was catching up to the M4
BMW is just a machine and always was. Stock LCI M5 Competition is faster on AutoGlory channel than tuned C6 ZO6
Them turbos suckin through them turtle nostrils show ya what it do up top, nice Vette but i would take the last year model vette with a manual an normal a v8 for the more aggressive sound
Will all respect, Corvette driver has no idea what he is doing: very inconsistent!
Still the worst camera angles I have ever seen when it comes to car racing. Its such a "drag" to watch the vehicles we are interested in with your production value always being such an after thought, even after a couple years now. SMH ! !
Well done for n/a engine, good job Vette!
Disappointed with C8 I expected more
It’s the base model sting ray, not a z06. Idk what you were expecting 😂
@@nhlanhlamagagula7467.
@@MikeyG003 was expecting it to outperform the m3...M3 is family saloon with back seats while c8 is a sport car..
@@nhlanhlamagagula7467you must not be familiar with that an m3 can do then lmao. Results as expected for anyone that knows cars
commenting before the vid: having driven both, I'd be shocked if the bmw isn't faster.
Update: I was not shocked
The BMW coolaid drinker probably chipped his car..
Car and driver had the same results
German engineering at it's finest! Heavier with only a slight HP advantage! Turbos + Xdrive is a beast!
I owned a C8 Stingray and a BMW with the B58 engine, I will tell you BMW sand bag the true HP on all their engines. If BMW says 503HP, that is at the wheel not at the crank. I have first hand experience with the S58 engine, and I tell you is a beast.
@@pablosantana6071 Yes sir I agree, they definitely understate the HP. I have a 2016 M4 competition and it feels great with the stock “444 hp”!
FYI those M4 Comps make 520-530 hp to the wheels whereas the C8 makes 440 hp to the wheels. So the hp advantage is not slight. its big. So the BMW claim of 503 hp is 1.one wheel horse power and 2. it is understimiated for business puposes.
Yea ai suppose German engineering truly shines when compared to *base model* American engineering. Lol. Price and trim level should be considered when you’re comparing the performance of someone’s top model (M4C) amongst their lineup to someone’s base model (Stingray).
I agree! But you sound salty AF and a real homer! Cool story though! 😆 @@G-Rated
BMW : ugly big ass , AWD , 500 HP .
CORVETTE : beautiful looks , RWD , 495 HP .
Result : tie lol , Xdrive sucks to a RWD muscle car .
You should compare BMW V8 with corvette c8 ,that is not fare six cylinders with 8 cyliders
Definatley not using launch conttol in C8, aside ftom very last race, heat revs building, not already built, a re-run is needed
Really strange. A mid class sports coupe with of course a lot power wins against a legendary sports car....😮
What specs? Very phone/tablet unfriendly font size/layout 😠 and why 2021/2?
Bmw is the better car
Best part of these races is the vette is base model m3 is fully loaded try the zo6 and thhe vette is naturally aspirated m is not lol
I don't care if it is slower in this particular comparison, driving the C8 will turn all the heads and the M4 will have everyone thinking your a BMW douche bag haha
Because no Vette driver is a dbag
@@The330racing not saying that,douche bags can drive any vehicle, BMW just happens to be a brand most associated with that type of driver....
When I see a c8, I immediately think oh its grandpa with his great value Ferrari.
Not to say the C8 isn't a nice car but I literally don't even acknowledge them anymore. Here in FL there's literally a C8 on every corner.
@@-Zelo haha, I live in Canada and seeing one is rare, probably because people wont drive it in the snow and that's a lot of money to drive a car for 6 months of the year.
I also don't see a ton of M4's but a C8 stands out from a block away but you can drive by a BMW and not even notice it is there.
Sam would you take a new M4 comp or new GT500?
That's one slow ass corvette, that would be reason enough not to buy one. Unless it was the driver not wanting to drive the car like he stole it.
Where was thw shocking part???
People really have no clue what a bmw is capable of
I like your videos but you guys are very bad drivers and makes these comparisons misleading.
At 0:26, it looks like the Bimmer's hood is up. Hope that's all it was.
At higher altitudes, force induction engines will have a big advantage.
Guy driving the vette is clueless .... m4 is not faster from a take off especially
I sold BMW’s for 8 years, two things are true 1: BMW understates power 2: the transmissions are superb. On a side note, the AWD system shuts down and reverts all power to the rear at 100-110 mph.
Them BMWs are something else! Next, we should see a BMW M5CS vs a Corvette Z06! Would love to see that 🔥💯
Z06 would win!!! It's just so much lighter and similar power
@emekaiheanacho274 idk it might be closer than you think. The m4 walked from this corvette and technically on paper the corvette should've won. Since its near identical power plus being lighter. Even in RWD mode the M4 was hawking it down the runway!
@@jefryherrera3242 exactly
@@emekaiheanacho274lol don’t be sure about that. Most 0-60 tests have them neck and neck and we know BMW are the ones that don’t overeaggerate HP. Example most dynos have the 660 hp zl1 and c7 zo6 only 70 wheel hp difference when on paper it’s supposed to be 160 crank hp more than the m3/m4 comp.
@@Bimmer_Bill Interesting 👍👍
A 2 door purpose built mid engine sports car vs a 2 door 4 seat sports luxury sedan and both with ~500 hp. Better bring the z06 next time boys. 😂😂😂
Y’all really feel better after this race huh? 😂
@@G-Rated yup, taking my whole family on trips while smoking c8’s at the same time… it’s pretty nice. Oh and the m4 comp xDrive beats the c8 on the reference road course (Nurburgring) too (7’30” vs 7’28.5”). Better bring the ZO6.
@@Bimmer_Bill Yea, we’re going to bring the ZO6 and maybe the E-Ray too just to humble you down, because everyone here knows whenever *you* say “C8” you’re actually talking about a base model Stingray ($65k sports-car) - which is the only Corvette that will lose a race to a $90k BMW. 😂
@@G-Rated lol you’re trying to compare a purpose built sports car to a family car? 🤣🤣🤣🤣wrong, 🥲🥲🥲🤣btw the m4 CSL is even faster than the track specific Camaro zl1 1le despite having 120 less horsepower. The mighty Eray runs the same 1/4 mile as a bmw m5 cs (10.6), the z06 is actually slower yet you say any bmw doesn’t match up? The m5cs is a four door family car too! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
GM cars at a joke compared to European cars on the track (name your vette and I show you a faster production euro car). Stick with corvette price point, you peasant
The fastest model of one car versus the slowest of another car really shows the nasty over all.
That isn’t even the fastest M4- that would be the M4 CSL… it would have been worse 😂
@@show2imec8 Eray would dog the shit out of ANY bmw production car. Same with the c8 z06. Same with the c7 z06, same with the c7 zr1 lol. Cut the crap. 2023 M4 CSL is so slow! That it did 7:15 at the Nurburgring. When the corvette did 7:13 back in 2015 with the c7 z06 with a manual transmission by a car magazine journalist. C8 z06 ran 10.2 bone stock by Will farmer, go look it up. C8 ERAY isn’t out yet but savagegeese recorded the c8 Eray doing 2.2 0-60. Hagerty recorded a c8 Eray doing a 10.4 on non prepped surface. C7 z06 ran 10.4 by will farmer 100% stock. C7 zr1 ran high 9’s again by Will farmer (AKA professional drag racer) and again STOCK. Cut the crap.
Sam, funny how the comments are mostly people saying unfair race. But me, for the first time in a while.. thought it was a great race. Well done. That guy knows how to drive his vette, and you did well in the bmw.
Really, a stock older c8 with 100 less hp. Come on..
Two different torque curves. The turbo in the bmw builds it's full torque like 2k rpms lower and quicker than the vette so I knew what the outcome would be. Power number alone aren't what would have made it equal, the way the power is built and delivered is what makes or breaks. Moral: N/A vs N/A same power ratings or Turbo vs Turbo same power ratings will be a closer race.
I have an M4 and although I've never raced a Corvette, I'm not sure how the M4 would do against a Z06. I'm guessing not near as well lol. Maybe an M4 with a tune could beat the Z06 but not a stock M4.
The bmw m4 with a downpipe and tune will run laps around the Z06, find a good tuner
No reason a 100k car should still have 2valves per cylinder
This was dog s***...... The vet wasn't even trying like dude you're supposed to press the pedal down ... That's how the acceleration works.
Putting an AWD vehicle in RWD mode isn't exactly fair either, as all the additional weight from the AWD-drivetrain still contributes to the curb weight.
If you put the M4 in RWD-mode, it would only be fair to add at least 200 lbs (eg. a passenger) to the C8.
yup
That bmw is over 550 hp on the wheels bmw always shows less on papers
Not surprising to me. The Corvette is a beast up until 60, but falls on its face after that.
After 3 years I just can’t warm up to the looks of the M4. No way no how could I consider buying such a turd car with that front end. The design team should be fired period. BMW has been heading in the wrong direction for awhile now.
Is that why they are selling triple the amount of their m3/ m4 g8x models then their old f8x per year? U obv never seen one with aftermarket grilles or lowered with a front splitter. They look unique and new. I see 3 c8s going to the gym. It's all old men in them too 😂😂 really is a poor mans sports car.
BMW, UGLY. CORVETTE, BEAUTIFUL!
As a 2021 C8 owner, I can appreciate this comparison. Both are great performance cars and respect should be mutual across the board.
This is the weakest corvette driver I have ever seen. The C8 is crazy fast on launch control. Another video that lean towards selling European cars.
Lmao. I've seen multiple pulls of a c8 vs xdrive m3 or m4. C8 barely hangs with a RWD one how tf u think it can beat an xdrive
ZR1 sweeps 🧹 the road with any //M.
corvette has left the chat........
And the 25M just got 20 more HP stock
Like in all other video, top of the line against regular c8, bring z06 or E-Ray
U serious? This isn't top of the line. A m5 or m8 is. Also these are the same price. A z06 with dealership markups are going for 160k same with the eRay
C8's are actual garbage, give me a c6 any day please
This is how car drag comparison must be done. Probably best drag channel on youtube.
M4 is really good.
Not really