Are you implying the Camaro especially a ZL1 can’t handle? I think you should check lap times for both,even just the SS puts down great numbers. Don’t get me wrong, I like the Alfa and loved it when it originally came out but it’s been to damn long and barely anything changed. Forget a refresh or horsepower bump,needs a whole new refresh.
It's frustrating to see people not know how to race automatics in roll racing. You start in manual mode to hold desired gear. Once race is on, you switch to automatic so the car shifts the quickest and at optimal RPM.
@@lauzagna Yep, but u have to be in that mode before the pull reduce the delay. Also, he didn't even know about the actual Performance Mode.. double tap on the traction button to enter whole in Sport or Track. Sigh...
Yup. I definitely know in 10-speed cars the car upshifts faster than a PDK when in automatic mode and in the sportiest setting. Doing it manually is 100% slower even if you have perfectly timed shifts.
@@ayushmalpeddi2793yep even if you shift perfectly you are interrupting the transmissions logic which would be faster than just letting the valve train do what it was meant to.
@matzepizzaheld8541 BMW USA claimed that the M3 Xdrive will do 0-60 MPH in 3.4 seconds, and the quarter mile in 11.9 seconds. They are absolutely underratting their car performance by a big margin.
The videos themselves are wack now too lol. This channel is falling off….weird matchups, shitty drivers, shitty camera angles. Thank god CarWow and Auto Glory exist 🤣.
Yep, buy the worst quality and worst preforming car of the bunch simply because it’s rare. You do know why it’s rare right? Because mostly clowns looking for attention or to be different buy them. 😂 I love the Alfa dont get me wrong, but buying it because it’s rare is such an illogical thing to do. And the reason it stands out is because most people hate it’s Dorito nose. Even though I quite like it.
@Sikeslikescars woah, it's not bad quality by any means, I mean compared to the camaro it is similar in quality I would say, pepole say oh handling is great but quality is totally dogshit, I don't agree with that.
I have a G82 M4C and when you put it into rear wheel drive mode I swear it feels like the car has less power. I don't know if this is a psychological trick on my butt speedodometer or BWM retards the power a bit. You do have to have stability control off for 2 wheel drive. Anyway, yes you're right, xdrive makes an enormous difference from a dig.
The Zl1 1LE isn't a great comparison because it's the track version which has tons of extra downforce and is not tuned for straight line speed, the normal ZL1 is a little bit quicker in drag races and cheaper too.
M3 wasn't beaten by the Camaro even in RWD mode (1st dig race)! It could also keep up with Camaro in 70 km/h Rolling run!!! 3.0L vs 6.2L !!! That's insane!!!
And the M3’s engine is a mere flash tune away from 800 hp dyno verified. They’re running sub 9.5 now on stock engines, stock turbos, full weight and stock pirelli summer tires. Only mods to get yours there; flash tune, downpipes, and e85.
@@gracestingray bmw wins it all when drove on Xdrive they shut down bc they knew he win with that option so they make it a bit interesting but sry us cars sucks bro we europeans know
@@latino914 the BMW works great but it has 2 things... He looks incredible ugly and He sounds shity 😅. I think the Alfa, yes He is slower, is the better car for Emotion. Look at this Red beauty man 😍. The Camaro is thick and unbelivebil fast for a RWD car with this Power. On the Track is the camaro the King of the Sedan/Coupés 😉
Let's not forget the BMW is probably making it's rated power to the wheels not at the crank. So its pretty close power wise between the BMW and the camaro.
@mogulme6190 Yep! 150hp more and they all weigh about the same. Let's not forget the others are less than half the size motors! Not impressed by the ZL1 considering. Let's also not forget that the Alpha and the BMW blow it away in quality, fit and finish and pure beauty.
I've had both the ZL1 and the QV. The ZL1 always felt like it was on a different level due to the supercharged V8. It was a lot more fun around town due to that instant low torque. So you could play around at part throttle without being crazy. The Alfa needed to stretch it's legs. So to have fun, you really had to be going a lot harder. It was SUCH a gorgeous car though. They're a pain to mod and the electronics can be a little finicky. I've been on the fence about getting a new M3 Comp Xdrive though. Simple stage 2 mods put these things in the 9's which is insane. Room for the family and the interior feels the part for the price.
In England for 12000$ you can up to 750hp without any problems on engine or gearbox. You can find video of this M3 in carwow chanel . Its insane , make 10.2 in 1/4.
@@allan2466 Absolutely! Especially with the current used market on them. The stereo is mediocre as well as the infotainment but as far as a fun daily driver, it's hard to beat. The JB4 tuner really woke it up.
A rear wheel drive M3 would be lighter and better in a roll race. So the BMW has to be appreciated on how it slaughters in the AWD mode and still does decent in the roll races.
Actually the 10-speed upshifts faster than Porsches PDK when first revealed. 10-speed is probably the fasting shifting automatic trans with real gears. Almost feels like a CVT at times with how fast it shifts and how close the gears are.
You guys always do roll races so annoyingly (no offense, I do love the content!). You either do full "manual" mode on cars that are best left to automatic shifting, OR you do automatic mode, but including the kick down. Now, don't get me wrong, both of those are important to test! But, please please PLEASE do the best version of the roll race: Use manual mode to select starting gear Floor it Put transmission back into automatic shifting mode This way gives you the best/most-optimal start as well as the best/most-optimal shift timing (never short shifting nor banging off of the rev limiter). PLEASE.
@@5.0nito it is faster, he was redlining it like 5 time, you start in manual then as you get going pop it into auto and let the computer shift, you cannot out perform the computer in an automatic car
That is fake numbers or a mistake , BMW itself claimed it is 3.4 with X-drivers , the Camaro is 4s not 3.2 s too , both drivers launched pretty slow , POV : they can’t launch their cars
@@WindyCity1992 that’s not being factual at all if anything it further validates what I’m talking about and further adds superiority to the m3. The ZL1 has 147 horsepower on it and in a condition where the m3 turns off it’s all wheel drive, having less power and weighing more makes the Chevy look even worse.
It’s still a twin turbo v8 vs a supercharger pls stop the comparisons two different types of forced inductions and bmw needs two at that so please stop
@@damianparris2811 tell that to the author of the video that literally made a video comparing them. What type of induction a vehicle has DOES NOT matter. The m3 with 150 horsepower less and more weight beat the camaro on real wheel drive setting. Use your brain. I know theyre making school easier to complete but god damn.
Of course, the ZL1 kills both these cars on the track, including the Nurburgring. To be fair though, the ZL1 is a true sports car, the other two are amazing sports sedans.
As long as the road is straight then M5, as soon as you throw in the curves the ZL1 leaves it. Chevy doesn’t have as much of an aggressive launch control either. The BMWs hit hard off the jump.
Moral of the drag race video...fire the other driver....he's not able to figure out when to accelerate. When you (sam) drove ...in most cases you won the races. Just make it fair for each manufacturer....and if you have 3 cars ...race all against each other .. it's okay..you can copy Carwow a little bit. Keep up the good work!
For the love of God please take that necklace off of the rearview mirror in the Camaro it keeps swinging around and it's very irritating to watch lol.... and why are the cars so much quieter in Europe than they are here in the USA? it seems like you guys have the exhaust systems which are completely choking the car's performance potential, and it doesn't let the cars sound very nice compared to here in the USA.. also seems like the cars are testing slower acceleration times in Europe than they do here in the USA for almost all performance cars it's really weird..
@@dnegel9546They didn't. The ZL1 was in manual mode for the 1st and 2nd roll races as you can see him manually shifting. From that point on, all the other races were in auto. Never did they put it in manual then put it back into D after flooring it. I've never understood that concept of manually shifting an automatic car for a straight line race. A human cannot out shift an automatic transmission.
Bmw giving the best of the last generation of ICE in all models..all drag races from diffrent channels if they feature an Mcar it will win all drag and roll..s58 is a masterpeace of engineering at the Best..can beat engines twice its size..Well done M Division
@@MikeYurbasovichThe future is EV,these are last roll out of oil burners..next M cars are hybrid and EV, Merc has dumped the glorious V8 engine on it's C63s , next M5 is hybrid and EV.. better get used to
Is this the first ZL1 on the channel? Loved your reaction @samcarlegion I have the same reaction every time I'm tapping into the SC whine. One note, the 1LE will trap a bit slower because of the extra aero that makes for a great track car, as long as the track isn't a drag strip.
Is that a ZL1-1LE? bro that wing don't help at all for drag race, it's a ultimate track weapon..... yeah RWD won't win the drag race, but with cheaper MSRP that ZL1 can destroy a M3 or even M4CS on tracks
American muscle is the most over rated cars ever. 150 more hp and lots more tq and it wins by only a fender. I’ll take that inline 6 anyday over the v8
@michaelschwab9563 Those drag tires definitely make a huge difference, but the average driver will always launch better with awd. It takes some real talent to launch a car like a Shelby GT500 or any variation of Charger/Challenger Hellcat. I have nothing but respect for the one's that can.
Just don’t understand why the Camaro ZL1 was used when it has 150hp more than the others. It would be better if all cars extremely close in hp and torque. Then you can see how weight, gearing and other things are better. The Camaro won because it had 150hp more. The BMW was the quickest because of Xdrive. Next time used a modified Giulia QV and the races will be much better. But the Giulia did well having no Xdrive, no launch control at all and down on hp by150. But make it a fair race and watch what happens..
The ZL1 is still coming in cheaper than the other two. A 2SS Camaro would come in even cheaper. I'd rather see MSRP groupings as no one is cross shopping vehicles based on horsepower. They're cross shopping vehicles based on MSRP.
I was in the market for a Quadrofoglio. I ended up buying a ZL1. The Alfa Romeo sales guy gave me so much BS that the Quad was very competitive and close to the ZL1 in every aspect. 😂. I knew better. That's a 150 hp diff which is a lot. Plus, can't beat that V8 sound
You have two 500hp sedans and you decide it makes sense to not race them head to head? Then you forget to do the M3-ZL1 roll races in manual? Come on, think your planning all the way through, stop winging it.
@peterhammer6915 the reason is called traction. Nobody bases a car's sheer power and how fast it is, from a 1/4 dig race. The roll race tells all, when you eliminate the traction advantages and disadvantages. You see who the real faster car is. And if you're sitting here trying to compare a M3 to a ZL1 1LE then, that's problem #1. The ZL1 1LE is a super car.
@@GERONIMO326 with that much less hp and keeping up with the Camaro I would argue the supercar title goes to Bmw. And yes 1/4 from the dig is the most used universal measure to test how fast a car is.
@peterhammer6915 on the roll, and using the seat dyno rule, there is no comparison. The Z absolutely walks the M3, not even close. Guess what, a KIA Stinger is faster in the 1/4 than a Mustang GT. Does anyone say the Stinger is faster? No. Traction advantages because you have less horsepower doesn't make you the faster car lmaooo
funny how when the Alfa came out, everyone was praising it being much lighter than all its rivals. When this new gen M3 came out, everyone was dissing it for being too fat. Yet here we have the Alfa, being just 67lbs lighter than the AWD M3. Minus the AWD and the M3 comp would be the same weight. Also negating the fact that the M3 is significantly bigger and more practical. So where did journalists get the notion that the Giulia was a proper light sports sedan? Simple. Italians like to lie about their weights. Lambo, Ferrari, Alfa, they all do it.
Yup. There is a european test between the rwd m3 and the qv and the qv was actually a bit heavier than the m3 when put to the scales. Alfa is not honest with their specs. Still a nice car though.
Well the one that is not honest is BMW. On papers where are weight specs for Alfa is written "CURB WEIGHT" or DRY WEIGHT" that means without liquids,... so they are not lying. BMW claims it have 500 HP, but it have way more. It have 500HP on wheels so on papers specs they should be written WHP but is not. You can see videos of majority M BMW that have almost 30% more HP than they claimed. M4 CSL is rated with 550HP in reality they measured 605HP. So who is not honest here?
@@bernymonty22 First of all, you're still wrong. Because the curb weight provided by Alfa is still way off to what the car actually weighed. Second of all you're an idiot. When a manufacturer says an engine can produce a certain amount of power, it is required to make AT LEAST that much, and not "NO MORE" than that. BMW are saying, even at worst conditions, the engine can provide that power. Meanwhile italians straight up lie about their weight. Dry weight or curb weight, both full of BS. The Lambo SVJ has a "dry weight" of 1525kg according to Lambo, yet the actual weight is 1800+kg. Tell me where the difference came from? Ferrari told Top Gear the Laferrari was going to be under 1300kg, and they touted that horn, saying it was the lightest of the holy trinity, yet the actual weight was 1600+kg, just only a bit less than the 918. They count batteries as part of the "wet weight". that's complete bollocks. Meanwhile you could remove all the fluids and batteries out of a SVJ and you still can't get anywhere near 1525kg.
These engines are absolutely amazing, but let's all give it up the the auto-transmissions! They have gotten sooooooo much better the last few years compared to just the HP/torque gains over the same time.
Why doesn't anyone ever come to these races with a properly setup Rear wheel drive car on DR's so it can hook on the Launch? Ya know and Actual street setup 👀
The Chevy Camaro ZL1 is actually really bad. It has over 100hp more than the other cars and barely wins. The BMW M3 on the other hand is insanely quick and puts the power down onto the road so well.
Very interesting video Sam! Well done. Still would like to find a way to have fair rolling races. Always people jumping before the cones or not at the same speed when startingthe rolling races. 11.0 for the M3 is very good!
@RaceDawg Most of the time, on CW, the cars are driven by Matt, Yanni, etc. (people from the channel). Sam let the car owners drive their own car. So, it no longer is objective. But, the other hand, there are no excuses of poor driving,since the owner is supposed to know how to drive his car optimally. Also, CW has 20x more views/budget. When Sam invites people to race and shoot videos, he intends to make 4 different videos in one day. So, if people don't listen to the instructions, it affects the quality of the races. The way I see it is that in the real world, you will always have someone jumping and it's fun to see how the other car can catch up. Nothing is perfect and I love Sam's content even though it is not perfectly setup.
We barely get people’s cars in Canada - let alone press cars. Carwow is allowed to race cars owned by manufacturers. We aren’t even allowed to film at the track let alone racing them 😂. Especially Stellantis the company that makes drag racing cars. We film the races multiple times so people don’t make any mistakes. Hence why I stopped doing three way races, less mistakes.
Probably alfa will lose becauae it has lower hp and its older but still i would take alfa all day, for its time in 2016 alfa was destroyer of its competitors C63 and Bmw M3
@@them60productionm6zero2the giulia did a 7:32, if you’re talking about the last gen m3cs, and it did a 7:38. the giulia was best in class until the g80 came out
Sam!! I’m loving the channel! “LET’S ROLL!!” Gets me very time!! ❤❤❤
I love the Giulia. Win or lose, that car is not only beautiful, but it's somethung else to drive.
yeah but to be honest the guilia quadrifoglio does need traction off for drag races or else it will limit the power output enormeus....but well
And you will love the Giulia even more after the next hard turn. Not sure about the Camaro.
Are you implying the Camaro especially a ZL1 can’t handle? I think you should check lap times for both,even just the SS puts down great numbers. Don’t get me wrong, I like the Alfa and loved it when it originally came out but it’s been to damn long and barely anything changed. Forget a refresh or horsepower bump,needs a whole new refresh.
@@larryzeldin7561 The Giulia is definitely getting long in the tooth.
talking about the m3 here not the camaro@@larryzeldin7561
It's frustrating to see people not know how to race automatics in roll racing. You start in manual mode to hold desired gear. Once race is on, you switch to automatic so the car shifts the quickest and at optimal RPM.
It’s not rocket science and he never does it
😢 the races are so skewed. The zl1 would have put a football field on the Alfa if don’t correctly lol
@@anthonysaquatics4359 Have you ever driven a giulia quadrifoglio? It’s the best.
You can also leave it in auto and blip the throttle in the ZL1. It'll change to performance shifting and downshift to the sutible gear on its own.
@@lauzagna Yep, but u have to be in that mode before the pull reduce the delay. Also, he didn't even know about the actual Performance Mode.. double tap on the traction button to enter whole in Sport or Track. Sigh...
STOP SHIFTING USING THE PADDLES, LET THE CARS SHIFT ON THEIR OWN. YOU ARE SKEWING THE RACE RESULTS EVERY TIME!
Yup. I definitely know in 10-speed cars the car upshifts faster than a PDK when in automatic mode and in the sportiest setting. Doing it manually is 100% slower even if you have perfectly timed shifts.
@@ayushmalpeddi2793yep even if you shift perfectly you are interrupting the transmissions logic which would be faster than just letting the valve train do what it was meant to.
@@yimpyoi9808 what does the valvetrain have to do with shifting
BE RESPECTFUL AND SHUT UP!
I agree. ☝️ from experience driving many of these cars
Loved seeing the Alfa in general especially up against a ZL1. Not bad for 150 hp difference. Another great upload! 👍🏼👍🏼
yeah, the thrid roll in auto the zl1 was asleep he did not know what to do, xdrive did the buisness the m3 smashed the camaro
That’s a ZL1 1LE. Too bad he didn’t have a regular ZL1. The top end is must faster than this one.
@geraldfoley4121 I mean if you want the ultimate top of the line the 1le would be it
@@chrism869slower in straight line
@@invalidusername_5101 the Alfa is RWD
Just proves, you can't believe what BMW claims. 0-60 in 2.8 seconds, stock, is unreal. The G80 M3 competition Xdrive is a beast. I love ours.
Well it’s European measurement: meaning not 0-60 but 0-62 (100kph) and NO rollout. Add that on it and you will exactly what bmw claims
@@matzepizzaheld8541 All I hear is a lot of coping
@matzepizzaheld8541 BMW USA claimed that the M3 Xdrive will do 0-60 MPH in 3.4 seconds, and the quarter mile in 11.9 seconds.
They are absolutely underratting their car performance by a big margin.
Those ratings bmw advertise are for comfort mode not sport+ because sport+ is meant for track and comfort is what you drive around in mostly.
@hassanger8128 yeah, totally, pepole have seen 2.8 sec to 60 and low 11s ,bmw lying once again, typical germans
Premieres are whack, just drop the videos , lol
You can pay for the subscription monthly and get early access to the videos.
The videos themselves are wack now too lol. This channel is falling off….weird matchups, shitty drivers, shitty camera angles. Thank god CarWow and Auto Glory exist 🤣.
@@AllGasNoBreaks416 no
Only idiots would pay for these videos.
@@navoj-fm4195 then wait lol easy
Still will pick Alfa! Very rare and stands out the most.
Yep, buy the worst quality and worst preforming car of the bunch simply because it’s rare. You do know why it’s rare right? Because mostly clowns looking for attention or to be different buy them. 😂 I love the Alfa dont get me wrong, but buying it because it’s rare is such an illogical thing to do. And the reason it stands out is because most people hate it’s Dorito nose. Even though I quite like it.
@@Sikeslikescars are you okay? Do you need some Mental Health services?
@Sikeslikescars woah, it's not bad quality by any means, I mean compared to the camaro it is similar in quality I would say, pepole say oh handling is great but quality is totally dogshit, I don't agree with that.
Ngl I have a stelvio and I’m thinking about staying away… for my next car
@@chrism869I have a stelvio I can agree the quality could be better….
Man! What a difference the X Drive made on the M3. Great stuff as always, Sam!
Agreed!
I have a G82 M4C and when you put it into rear wheel drive mode I swear it feels like the car has less power. I don't know if this is a psychological trick on my butt speedodometer or BWM retards the power a bit. You do have to have stability control off for 2 wheel drive. Anyway, yes you're right, xdrive makes an enormous difference from a dig.
yes, as expected, it decimated the camaro
@@chrism869but roll races matter way more then LAUNCHING from a dig..
@roboticvenom1935 I guess that's true, but an m3 would be a closer rival than the gulia, m3 hp is always underestimated, it makes like 550
I think the zl1 is one of the best sounding modern cars from inside the cabin.
Outside as well! 👍🏼
The V3 sounds virtually the same.
The w204 c63 sounds miles ahead better
The Zl1 1LE isn't a great comparison because it's the track version which has tons of extra downforce and is not tuned for straight line speed, the normal ZL1 is a little bit quicker in drag races and cheaper too.
The regular zl1 in my opinion is the one to get.
The 1le is overkill and loses mag ride.
I agree , the non-1LE could do better
M3 wasn't beaten by the Camaro even in RWD mode (1st dig race)! It could also keep up with Camaro in 70 km/h Rolling run!!! 3.0L vs 6.2L !!! That's insane!!!
maybe insane if you like bmws
@@prefescent4460 Mind reading is quite common these days!
Wow what a fanboy
S58 engine is 🔥
And the M3’s engine is a mere flash tune away from 800 hp dyno verified. They’re running sub 9.5 now on stock engines, stock turbos, full weight and stock pirelli summer tires. Only mods to get yours there; flash tune, downpipes, and e85.
One of the best drag races on this channel in my opinion. Thanks Sam and to all the drivers.
No matter the drive system any car have 150HP difference is not logical to put any car against it
Could you imagine what type of Camaros we would have if not for the Corvette?
M3 is on another Level! Alpha Romeo did it's thing.
M3 is a beast but i prefer a beauty 🇮🇹
Alfa not alpha!
It lost 😂 , BMW sucks
@@gracestingray bmw wins it all when drove on Xdrive they shut down bc they knew he win with that option so they make it a bit interesting but sry us cars sucks bro we europeans know
@@latino914 the BMW works great but it has 2 things... He looks incredible ugly and He sounds shity 😅.
I think the Alfa, yes He is slower, is the better car for Emotion. Look at this Red beauty man 😍.
The Camaro is thick and unbelivebil fast for a RWD car with this Power. On the Track is the camaro the King of the Sedan/Coupés 😉
Bmw just beating the zl1 in rwd mode with 150bhp less power .... thats the difference in engineering
Let's not forget the BMW is probably making it's rated power to the wheels not at the crank. So its pretty close power wise between the BMW and the camaro.
@@aaronkowalewski659bmw really makes 628hp so it makes sense
That fucking zl1 is crazy impressive. 3.3 seconds on a unprepared surface? Rwd and front engine…that’s crazy
With 150 HP more and even lighter then the Alfa......Really???
@mogulme6190 Yep! 150hp more and they all weigh about the same. Let's not forget the others are less than half the size motors! Not impressed by the ZL1 considering. Let's also not forget that the Alpha and the BMW blow it away in quality, fit and finish and pure beauty.
Cope @@petrosh20
That x drive M3/4 is a monster. Launches so hard. 😅
I've had both the ZL1 and the QV. The ZL1 always felt like it was on a different level due to the supercharged V8. It was a lot more fun around town due to that instant low torque. So you could play around at part throttle without being crazy. The Alfa needed to stretch it's legs. So to have fun, you really had to be going a lot harder. It was SUCH a gorgeous car though. They're a pain to mod and the electronics can be a little finicky.
I've been on the fence about getting a new M3 Comp Xdrive though. Simple stage 2 mods put these things in the 9's which is insane. Room for the family and the interior feels the part for the price.
Would you recommend getting a QV?
In England for 12000$ you can up to 750hp without any problems on engine or gearbox. You can find video of this M3 in carwow chanel . Its insane , make 10.2 in 1/4.
@@allan2466 Absolutely! Especially with the current used market on them. The stereo is mediocre as well as the infotainment but as far as a fun daily driver, it's hard to beat. The JB4 tuner really woke it up.
Stage 2 does not put m3's in the 9's.
You're an absolute melon for believing such stupidity
@@kermitpurcell6432don't try the HK system on the m3 it's so woeful
That S58 is a monster of a motor.
Wow! That M3 is a beast!
Alfa is better 🇮🇹🤌
@@Kuzman_007 as i see worse
@@subkarpaty Alfa is better than the m3 and the c63. Test drive all 3 of them and the best driving car will be the Alfa
I own a 2023 6spd manual ZL1 and I can tell you it really is that freaking fast! But launching it is definitely a handful!
Yeah was surprised he got this off so fast considering.. but it was an automatic.
Drag radials. Something you NEVER see on Not ONE of the cars on these videos. Kinda ridiculous.
Great comparison. Props to the ZL1 given its power and only RWD.
RWD is actually an advantage in a rolling race! It's only a disadvantage in a drag race. So it was not ggod.
@@markbrix9385 the ZL1 won every roll race.
A rear wheel drive M3 would be lighter and better in a roll race. So the BMW has to be appreciated on how it slaughters in the AWD mode and still does decent in the roll races.
@@hotrod182a rwd m3 launches terribly though, the zl1 going 3.3 seconds rwd on a non prepped surface is kind of crazy and unexpected
all talk about power. its the new transmissions yo. 7, 8, 9, 10 gear autos with lightning quick shifts.
That 10 speed shifts like a DCT very impressive
Isn’t it a DCT ?
@@slicelol1463 no
Actually the 10-speed upshifts faster than Porsches PDK when first revealed. 10-speed is probably the fasting shifting automatic trans with real gears. Almost feels like a CVT at times with how fast it shifts and how close the gears are.
The only reason the BMW has rear wheel drive mode is to do donuts‼️💯
That's crazy that going X-drive (AWD) cut over a half second of the 1/4 mile for the M3. All three cars would be fun regardless.
Why are y'all surprised
If it was a mile race, well ZL1 would have no competition in this lineup
@@maverickphantom005 find me a mile long drag strip you go to
@maverickphantom005 That bmw m3 engine easily has the potential to be 1000+ hp
Sam's reaction to the ZL1 when he floored it was priceless. That's how I still feel every time 😂
I sold my 2019 zl1 and got me an M3 comp with xdrive , both are great cars.
That ZL1 up top is booking. What a great car for the money. Such a great track car too. Great trio of cars.
That 10 speed auto keeps that engine right in the nest of its power band
I was so pumped to see this video and it didn’t disappoint! Great races!! Love seeing the ZL1 and would love to see more with the Alfa!
More to come!
You guys always do roll races so annoyingly (no offense, I do love the content!). You either do full "manual" mode on cars that are best left to automatic shifting, OR you do automatic mode, but including the kick down. Now, don't get me wrong, both of those are important to test! But, please please PLEASE do the best version of the roll race:
Use manual mode to select starting gear
Floor it
Put transmission back into automatic shifting mode
This way gives you the best/most-optimal start as well as the best/most-optimal shift timing (never short shifting nor banging off of the rev limiter).
PLEASE.
That Alfa is so impressive. Basically matches M3 RWD performance and drives much better and sounds so much better
it doesn't drive better. It's much slower on a track. Soundwise I agree. But as a performance car the BMW is superior.
@@peterhammer6915 it literally destroyed the m3 on the nurburgring 😂😂😂
It handles better in terms of feel, dynamics, engagement, fun. It's not even close.
@@BmwAlfa123 with semislicks which are unusable in normal driving
@@peterhammer6915 wrong again. You must have read a fake internet article starting they were semi slicks
Its faster if you let the ZLE shift itself. If you really want to shift yourself, get one with a third pedal. Awesome vid btw.
Not it’s not bro you saw it lose in auto paddles are stronger
@@5.0nito god you are retarded. that doesn't mean anything bro
@@5.0nito alfa only won that because it had a major jump
@@5.0nitoif you think a human can shift faster than a computer you’re a moron.
@@5.0nito it is faster, he was redlining it like 5 time, you start in manual then as you get going pop it into auto and let the computer shift, you cannot out perform the computer in an automatic car
The Alfa and ZL1 roll races were closer than I thought they were going to be. Even more impressed by my Alfa!
Tune the Alfa to the same hp and it would kill the zl1
Before killing itself
Throw it in 2nd and on the hit put it back in drive and let the ZL1 EAT
Easier way is to just blip the throttle to the floor and it'll put it in performance shift mode.
M3 @ 2.8s is insane!
That is fake numbers or a mistake , BMW itself claimed it is 3.4 with X-drivers , the Camaro is 4s not 3.2 s too , both drivers launched pretty slow , POV : they can’t launch their cars
Its nice to see the M3 in RWD mode being the heaviest of the 3 cars still do what it did VS the camaro ZL1
Grain of salt.
Rwd mode/drift mode doesn't
Have TC or LC. That race was
Not accurate. Just being factual
@@WindyCity1992 that’s not being factual at all if anything it further validates what I’m talking about and further adds superiority to the m3. The ZL1 has 147 horsepower on it and in a condition where the m3 turns off it’s all wheel drive, having less power and weighing more makes the Chevy look even worse.
It’s still a twin turbo v8 vs a supercharger pls stop the comparisons two different types of forced inductions and bmw needs two at that so please stop
@@damianparris2811 tell that to the author of the video that literally made a video comparing them. What type of induction a vehicle has DOES NOT matter. The m3 with 150 horsepower less and more weight beat the camaro on real wheel drive setting. Use your brain. I know theyre making school easier to complete but god damn.
@@NCM89747 bro be real it’s the same engine in a m8 the hp doesn’t matter bmw clown frfr
Not really fair, the Camaro has 150 hp more than the other two.
Probably ZL1 in roll races and M3 in dig ones!
The fact that the m3 was in rwd and still kept up pretty amazing. That Alfa Romeo very nice too. That zl1 is a beast.
Lol
Kept up??? Give me a break. It got hawked down every single time.
@@quakerthroats9010agreed
True competition ZL1 vs M5. But you know result😉
@nedialkosimonov3893 that is a different class of car. Put the zo6 against it and watch the m5 cry.
Of course, the ZL1 kills both these cars on the track, including the Nurburgring. To be fair though, the ZL1 is a true sports car, the other two are amazing sports sedans.
Man that Zl1 with zf transmission or DCT would be untouchable for the price range
That BMW is a beast and that is the M3 the Camaro. Don’t want no day of the M8.
I think there is alot of delay on M3 transmission shifting, is it on the sportiest mode ?
i will love to see the ZL1 vs M5 CS will see who is the daddy !!! Great job man
M5 will eat it up with a blind fold
M5 is faster. But in the zl1 defense aint much short of 100g+ touching it around a track. And thats just the regular zl1 not counting a 1le.
M5 on a drag race on a track zle and the zl1 1le is a real dangerous weapon
As long as the road is straight then M5, as soon as you throw in the curves the ZL1 leaves it. Chevy doesn’t have as much of an aggressive launch control either. The BMWs hit hard off the jump.
Moral of the drag race video...fire the other driver....he's not able to figure out when to accelerate. When you (sam) drove ...in most cases you won the races. Just make it fair for each manufacturer....and if you have 3 cars ...race all against each other .. it's okay..you can copy Carwow a little bit. Keep up the good work!
The Alfa Romeo Quadrifoglio needs a better driver. The car have 505hp. That car will run way quicker.
Better driver? It's an auto 😂😂
Just looking at the inside camera shots look how shaky the Zl1 is compared to the bmw. That bmw is class
BMW XDrive is ridiculous
Was the G80 in XDrive for the roll raaces?
For the love of God please take that necklace off of the rearview mirror in the Camaro it keeps swinging around and it's very irritating to watch lol.... and why are the cars so much quieter in Europe than they are here in the USA? it seems like you guys have the exhaust systems which are completely choking the car's performance potential, and it doesn't let the cars sound very nice compared to here in the USA.. also seems like the cars are testing slower acceleration times in Europe than they do here in the USA for almost all performance cars it's really weird..
They need to do the thingy on ZL1 for the roll race, where you start off with manual then snap back in to drive😌 almost a night and day difference👌🏻💯
They did
@@dnegel9546They didn't. The ZL1 was in manual mode for the 1st and 2nd roll races as you can see him manually shifting. From that point on, all the other races were in auto. Never did they put it in manual then put it back into D after flooring it.
I've never understood that concept of manually shifting an automatic car for a straight line race. A human cannot out shift an automatic transmission.
Stggg🤦🏽♂️ these dude really don’t know smh!!!
ZL1 driver is like 100 lbs compared to the other drivers. Try rwd mode on roll race for m3?
BMW M Power.! 🔥🚀
Bmw giving the best of the last generation of ICE in all models..all drag races from diffrent channels if they feature an Mcar it will win all drag and roll..s58 is a masterpeace of engineering at the Best..can beat engines twice its size..Well done M Division
What the hell are you talking about? Last generation, like you think people are going to buy electric cars? 60% of people don't want one.
@@MikeYurbasovichThe future is EV,these are last roll out of oil burners..next M cars are hybrid and EV, Merc has dumped the glorious V8 engine on it's C63s , next M5 is hybrid and EV.. better get used to
@@nhlanhlamagagula7467 No.
Instead, these companies will face severe financial difficulty, or simply go out of business.
@@MikeYurbasovich it's not by choice but they being compelled by all this global warming environment regulations to dump ICE in favor of EV
never thought id see the day where an m3 would weigh almost 4000 lbs and have 4wd
Great races as always, Sam. Would have liked to see roll and drag races with the Alfa vs. the BMW, though.
Next time!
I mean, We all know who's gonna win, the bmw obviousy
Is this the first ZL1 on the channel? Loved your reaction @samcarlegion I have the same reaction every time I'm tapping into the SC whine. One note, the 1LE will trap a bit slower because of the extra aero that makes for a great track car, as long as the track isn't a drag strip.
Yep first
I beleive the data about quarter mile time you showed is incorrect. That m3 comp did 11.0 quarter mile and 0-60 in 2.8 ??🧐
Why?
Only two of them can steer a corner
@pellehh4540 Ignorant! You must be a European? At Lugana Seca the Camero laps at 1:34:30 and the BMW M3 is over a second slower.
Camaro zl1 1le is faster on nurburgring than any bmw ever
@@derhi408 Im with ALFA ROMEO You know about them...?
@@pellehh4540 yes
22 seconds slower than camaro on nurburgring
@@derhi408 great
Should've raced it with an m5 to be fair
I think I would like to see more of the cars than people in the cars drag racing.
Is that a ZL1-1LE? bro that wing don't help at all for drag race, it's a ultimate track weapon..... yeah RWD won't win the drag race, but with cheaper MSRP that ZL1 can destroy a M3 or even M4CS on tracks
American muscle is the most over rated cars ever. 150 more hp and lots more tq and it wins by only a fender. I’ll take that inline 6 anyday over the v8
Man! That ZL1 comaro is a monster🔥
Imagin this ZL1 with optional All wheel drive setting. This thing would kill anything
Except a GT500 which has a DCT
@@yusufgta4341even GT500 lost from it too
@@yusufgta4341emon 170 and Venom GT500 lost from Resurrection CAMARO ZL1 (all 3 cars are 1000 HP)
Or M3 with 6 litre engine..
"There is no replacement for displacement." With the exception of AWD, at least from a dig. 😂
Interesting. I have two Fast rear wheel drive cars on Drag radials. Why don't the AWD guys ever want to play when they know I hook up? 👀
@michaelschwab9563
Those drag tires definitely make a huge difference, but the average driver will always launch better with awd. It takes some real talent to launch a car like a Shelby GT500 or any variation of Charger/Challenger Hellcat. I have nothing but respect for the one's that can.
The second guy needs to learn how to drive. You can't win all those races than loose miserably in the last drag race. Camero won all.
Vita_in_macchina here! I know that feeling behind the ZL1!! Awesome Sam!🔥🔥💪🏼💪🏼
I'll take the Alfa any day. Best looking car period.
Those claimed 650bhp of camaro ...are clearly visible ANYWHERE 😂
The M4 Competition is even faster because of 1. Weight and 2. Drag coefficient.
This is a ZL1 1LE which Sam should have noted. The top end on a regular ZL1 is much higher.
Just don’t understand why the Camaro ZL1 was used when it has 150hp more than the others. It would be better if all cars extremely close in hp and torque. Then you can see how weight, gearing and other things are better. The Camaro won because it had 150hp more. The BMW was the quickest because of Xdrive. Next time used a modified Giulia QV and the races will be much better. But the Giulia did well having no Xdrive, no launch control at all and down on hp by150. But make it a fair race and watch what happens..
The ZL1 is still coming in cheaper than the other two. A 2SS Camaro would come in even cheaper. I'd rather see MSRP groupings as no one is cross shopping vehicles based on horsepower. They're cross shopping vehicles based on MSRP.
I was in the market for a Quadrofoglio. I ended up buying a ZL1. The Alfa Romeo sales guy gave me so much BS that the Quad was very competitive and close to the ZL1 in every aspect. 😂. I knew better. That's a 150 hp diff which is a lot. Plus, can't beat that V8 sound
You have two 500hp sedans and you decide it makes sense to not race them head to head? Then you forget to do the M3-ZL1 roll races in manual? Come on, think your planning all the way through, stop winging it.
Why no manual mode in ZL1 against M3?
That Camaro looks like it is instanle at any speed. Do a race on a mountain track a see how it handles.
Well what we learned in today's video is the ZL1 1LE is the MUCH faster car. M3 and Guilia are evenly matched though.
is that the reason that the Camaro did 11.6 and the M3 11.0 ?
@peterhammer6915 the reason is called traction. Nobody bases a car's sheer power and how fast it is, from a 1/4 dig race. The roll race tells all, when you eliminate the traction advantages and disadvantages. You see who the real faster car is. And if you're sitting here trying to compare a M3 to a ZL1 1LE then, that's problem #1. The ZL1 1LE is a super car.
@@GERONIMO326 with that much less hp and keeping up with the Camaro I would argue the supercar title goes to Bmw. And yes 1/4 from the dig is the most used universal measure to test how fast a car is.
@peterhammer6915 on the roll, and using the seat dyno rule, there is no comparison. The Z absolutely walks the M3, not even close. Guess what, a KIA Stinger is faster in the 1/4 than a Mustang GT. Does anyone say the Stinger is faster? No. Traction advantages because you have less horsepower doesn't make you the faster car lmaooo
@@GERONIMO326 The ZL1 definitely puts out supercar perfomance but 100% isn't a supercar. A supercar is much more than raw performance.
11 seconds dead while not even being the fastest M3 on the market is CRAZY work.
All bmw m3 owners :: thank Alfa Romeo for coming out with the guilia if not your m3 and m4 s would still be slow lol great video
Yup. They don't get that, though. The Giulia Quadrifoglio raised the bar for sports sedans and still drives better than the new M3. Always will.
funny how when the Alfa came out, everyone was praising it being much lighter than all its rivals. When this new gen M3 came out, everyone was dissing it for being too fat.
Yet here we have the Alfa, being just 67lbs lighter than the AWD M3. Minus the AWD and the M3 comp would be the same weight. Also negating the fact that the M3 is significantly bigger and more practical.
So where did journalists get the notion that the Giulia was a proper light sports sedan? Simple. Italians like to lie about their weights. Lambo, Ferrari, Alfa, they all do it.
Yup. There is a european test between the rwd m3 and the qv and the qv was actually a bit heavier than the m3 when put to the scales. Alfa is not honest with their specs. Still a nice car though.
Well the one that is not honest is BMW. On papers where are weight specs for Alfa is written "CURB WEIGHT" or DRY WEIGHT" that means without liquids,... so they are not lying. BMW claims it have 500 HP, but it have way more. It have 500HP on wheels so on papers specs they should be written WHP but is not. You can see videos of majority M BMW that have almost 30% more HP than they claimed. M4 CSL is rated with 550HP in reality they measured 605HP. So who is not honest here?
@@bernymonty22 First of all, you're still wrong. Because the curb weight provided by Alfa is still way off to what the car actually weighed. Second of all you're an idiot. When a manufacturer says an engine can produce a certain amount of power, it is required to make AT LEAST that much, and not "NO MORE" than that. BMW are saying, even at worst conditions, the engine can provide that power. Meanwhile italians straight up lie about their weight. Dry weight or curb weight, both full of BS. The Lambo SVJ has a "dry weight" of 1525kg according to Lambo, yet the actual weight is 1800+kg. Tell me where the difference came from? Ferrari told Top Gear the Laferrari was going to be under 1300kg, and they touted that horn, saying it was the lightest of the holy trinity, yet the actual weight was 1600+kg, just only a bit less than the 918. They count batteries as part of the "wet weight". that's complete bollocks. Meanwhile you could remove all the fluids and batteries out of a SVJ and you still can't get anywhere near 1525kg.
Expected results. Chevy is still king 👑👑
...and this was the ZL1 1LE with the big wing that has a 10 mph lower top speed (due to the massive aero) than the "regular" ZL1...
These engines are absolutely amazing, but let's all give it up the the auto-transmissions! They have gotten sooooooo much better the last few years compared to just the HP/torque gains over the same time.
The real adversary for the Chevy he would be the BMW M5,oh the story would be very different.
My next car, the M3 Comp.
I’m shocked that the m3 weighs as much as a Camaro now!!!
It’s 100lbs more than the Camaro, that’s a lot!
It has 150 pounds of front axles and transfer case.
Ma paragoni la Giulia con 500 CV e la zl1 con 650 CV poi dicono che vengono isultati dagli hater (non sono un hater)😐
Gahdamn, that ZL1 is nucking futs! Imagine spending almost 100k on a BMW, just to only beat a Camaro with xDrive.
I love the ZL1/1LE! What an amazing machine!
Why doesn't anyone ever come to these races with a properly setup Rear wheel drive car on DR's so it can hook on the Launch? Ya know and Actual street setup 👀
The Chevy Camaro ZL1 is actually really bad. It has over 100hp more than the other cars and barely wins.
The BMW M3 on the other hand is insanely quick and puts the power down onto the road so well.
Please don't let sam drive the ZL1 , He don't shift right to me
Very interesting video Sam! Well done. Still would like to find a way to have fair rolling races. Always people jumping before the cones or not at the same speed when startingthe rolling races. 11.0 for the M3 is very good!
You can say the Alfa driver was horrible. This is a safe space thread :)
People jump bigtime so it's hard to control but carwow would have the same dilemma to deal with and they make it work.
@RaceDawg Most of the time, on CW, the cars are driven by Matt, Yanni, etc. (people from the channel). Sam let the car owners drive their own car. So, it no longer is objective. But, the other hand, there are no excuses of poor driving,since the owner is supposed to know how to drive his car optimally.
Also, CW has 20x more views/budget. When Sam invites people to race and shoot videos, he intends to make 4 different videos in one day. So, if people don't listen to the instructions, it affects the quality of the races.
The way I see it is that in the real world, you will always have someone jumping and it's fun to see how the other car can catch up. Nothing is perfect and I love Sam's content even though it is not perfectly setup.
I think the best way is to have a Talkie-Walkie and the lead say go when all are aling and at the same speed
We barely get people’s cars in Canada - let alone press cars. Carwow is allowed to race cars owned by manufacturers. We aren’t even allowed to film at the track let alone racing them 😂. Especially Stellantis the company that makes drag racing cars. We film the races multiple times so people don’t make any mistakes. Hence why I stopped doing three way races, less mistakes.
Probably alfa will lose becauae it has lower hp and its older but still i would take alfa all day, for its time in 2016 alfa was destroyer of its competitors C63 and Bmw M3
Becareful with that statement because last time I check the CS slapped the ish out it
@@them60productionm6zero2the giulia did a 7:32, if you’re talking about the last gen m3cs, and it did a 7:38. the giulia was best in class until the g80 came out
@@sunnysaenngarm5375 BMW fan boys can't accept that fact
Okay you are jowls talking about circuit not a drag
What fact because CS destroyed both C63s and gulia on drags... I LOVE THE QV a lot and I was hoping GTAm or GTA could take down the M4 GTS
For sure the ZL1 (non 1LE) would do a better job in this races. The rear wing limits the speed on straight line racing.
alfa was right there the whole time, a tune would tie it with the camaro
Having the m3 handicap by not using it on manual level 3 setting on the rolling races...