I went with the Blackwing in the same color and 6mt as well lol, Im not surprised. BMW is notorious for under rating the power. My 335i definitely had more than the 300hp advertised.
I went for the M3 xDrive. Made the most sense to enjoy the (no speed limit) on the German autobahn. Plus is absolutely amazing on small and twisty country roads. Thanks for this comparison and congrats on being the only one with it!
It's not a dumb idea. Some of the people you have on here are absolutely terrible drivers yourself included lol. There is plenty of driver error each video.
@@germanengineering204 not at all. The Audi doesn’t have the chassis of the ct4 v bw nor the big power of the s58 in the m3. I find the RS cars to be pretty boring and mundane to drive like most other VAG cars.
@@DippinItUp1 I agree with a lot of what you said, but RS3 is a better all arounder! Better all weather daily driver, and better sound! It's a little better bang for your buck especially when compared to the M3 imo!!
Flagman checking in! This shoot was fun to be a part of. 473bhp BMW M3, nah; Its well over 500 crank horsepower. Regardless, it was a fortunate stroke of luck to have a manual M3 join the festivities and make this video happen! Good racing lads. See you in the next one :D
I wish Sam would give us the MPH at the 1/4 mile mark, that would give a much better idea of real HP. I can tell you my 3950 curb weight RWD Auto ~540 crank hp runs 12.2 @ 116 mph on the street. That 116 is indictive of HP, the 12.2 can be altered by many factors.
The dude brings some insane races no one thinks of! I love it. This is probably the only official drag race of the CT4 BW I have seen so far. Kudos to Sam ❤
No the ct4v is just that disappointing. I test drive one at Laguna seca for a Cadillac event. And this is coming from an ex camaro ss 1le owner I would take every opportunity to praise gm performance. My base 3.4L 911 with 350hp and no torque accelerates basically as fast as the ct4v black wing. The ct4v black wing gets outrun in a straight line by the m340i let alone anything with an s58. The ct4v is a nearly perfect car in every other way it just has a competley disappointing engine.
Our ATS-V'S have the LF4 engine like the 4 BW. $2500 in parts, e85, and a tune and you gain 200 whp. We have one making 630 whp and another making right at 700 whp. I bought both cars for the price of one BMW.
@@JoseManuel-cq1ot You make it sound like 0.6L is a huge difference or something🤦🏼♂️ …nice cars but I’d rather get the CT4 and do a simple tune that wakes them right up with 500+hp and still have $20,000 in my pocket
Sam! We been waiting this video for the longest and you are the only one that have made it happened. Good choice on having the lower HP M3 instead of the competition versions. That cadi looks good and moves good. But you are the first one that put them on a head to head and letting the cars talk instead of doing a “blind review” with favoritism towards any of them.
@@robertburr7407u dumb? The regular m3 comp xdrive or m4 xdrive smoke it as shown here and on car and drivers quarter mile times and 0-60s. U don't need the CS version 😂😂
The bw launch control does give you wheelspin but i got two 4.2 sec 0-60 runs with it on. (I only tried twice). You can see the power diference once in third gear. I bet the m3 has 40+ more whp than advertised. Lots of people ragging on Sam's skills but i think he was within a few tenths of what the bw is capable of stock in the 1/4.
@christopherpickens1478 ones German and ones American. Kidding aside, the power band on these engines even from 80s are just remarkable. Just bc they have similar HP and torque, and even weighs almost the same, this is where true engineering shines. Hell, the black wing has almost 70ft/lbs torque more and still loses
@christopherpickens1478 I agree... I don't wanna dog the guy bc I like the content but yes, it was super cringing everytime he slams the gear shift.. bro they go into gear even with just a force of your pinky why are you slamming the gears so hard. I would never let this guy drive my car. He'll probably bent the shift shaft
Do a road course test next, performance is a lot more than just acceleration, every test for road course the Cadillac skunks the Bimmer, that is engineering.
I sold BMW and the longer in gear acceleration helps and the elasticity of the engine is its strong point. Apparently the CTSv4 Blackwing has a great chassis and feel..buy what you enjoy.. I still enjoy my 6 speed e90 more then the new cars I drove, different experience. Best pick is the M340 tuned. So much potential.
Considered doing that with mine, just did the 1200 mile service but can’t let it go. It’s a monster and a blast to drive. Not much stands a chance stock for stock. I wish the turbo s wasn’t so expensive
@@davidwade7681 not for me but I respect it. My M3 is my daily, I prefer a fast daily and an exotic. Just can’t justify the price of huracans, f8’s etc. the m3 comp x is so capable it has curbed my urge for a super/hyper car. This car literally saved me money lol
Id rather the ct5-V blackwing for the price and it will hold its value much better and for longer with the 6spd and lt4. You pay m3 money for m5 CS performance and have the manual. I digress. Both cars are pretty awesome and for the price the ct4 is hard to beat.
?? If you watch the Haggerty channel review you will see that on a track the CT5 blackwing is faster than the M5 cs! M5 cs in a straight line will easily win but that not the reason the blackwing was made!
@@KDbeats19 The BMW has a better performance, better handling, better driving experience, better buildquality, better interior, and most importantly a better brand recognition with a car known for motoersporting. Everyone will remember the M3, but a few will recall that CT4 V Blackwing.
I just bought a 2020 CT4 V with the 2.7L turbo. And i absolutly am inlove with the car. Been driving it for about 3 months. Its fully loaded and i will say ill wait a few yrs and look to the blackwing. This was a good race to see
We all knew this outcome, but the brilliance of the CT4-V Blackwing is its chassis and manual gearbox, not its outright power. The M3 is fantastic though.
@@layne4376well he has to come up with some excuse, because slower on the road course too. Surprised he didn’t bring up the nose as another excuse either.
Yeah on paper they look similar but on the dyno the BW puts down 415ish WHP and the M3/M4 puts down 500+ whp. Big difference. Also i noticed you didnt use the launch control on the BW. Not sure if the m3 has launch control.
Both cars are awesome but M3 has more power than the ct4 v black wings I got a little confused about both cars having the same Hp and torque but the price difference of 22 thousand probably m3 will have a lot of space inside but I like both of cars thanks Sam have a nice day
M3 on drag race will pull away, same on anything below 60mph. Anything higher they basically stay the same. On track the M3 with cup tires will have an edge but that GT350 still a beast on a track.
I'm from Germany, or rather Bavaria, where BMW is at home. I had a BMW 7 Series and a BMW 5 Series myself. But then I had a Cadillac Eldorado and a Cadillac STS. Cadillac is also my favorite brand. So much elegance, great technology, luxury and beauty combined with sportiness is unique. And still cheaper than the competition (BMW, Mercedes Benz, Audi). No other car brand can do that. It doesn't get any better than this. Cadillac!!! 😊👍🏼 Here is my only video that I made myself .... from my Cadillac at the time: ruclips.net/video/Wl5Xe89MmtY/видео.htmlsi=j9nYoX4hP325c1rj
This was the expected outcome. I'd love to see the difference in a track race instead. M3 obviously has more hp than listed but surprised how fast it really is. I'd still take the blackwing any day. Looks better and won't be in the shop constantly. Also way cheaper to maintain and more reliable.
Sporting comparisons are more important than insulting each other. As a BMW fan, I think it's good to have a new competitor - see CT5-V BW and M5 Comp.
This Cadillac should race an M340i, even then I don’t think it would win.. mainly cause of the advantage from the ZF8 auto. If they were both auto that would be interesting..
They absolutely don’t “do it better”🙄………..no one in their right mind would take a fully loaded CT4 blackwing over a base m3, just doesn’t make sense! 🥱👈🏽
Great comparison. As others have mentioned the M3 is underated. I had a 2021 M3 base auto, non X drive. Now I have a 22 Blackwing w carbon package. 10 speed. My honest opinion M3 Quicker acceleration Better looking interior/Materials Better looking wheels Better finish overall Blackwing A tad slower overall/ seat of the pants Rides better w/ magnetic suspension Feels more planted Fit and finish a tad on the lower side I feel it looks better overall than the Beamer, except the wheels. Thinking of doing JB4 / down pipes/intake. Should take me to 600+ at the wheels.
you're high if you think a JB4 tune will pump 600 wheel HP lmao. Owned many AMGs and S line audis and a few M cars, legit delusional if you believe some cheap ass tune and some DP will pump out that much more HP.
I had a f82 M4, then an ATSV (now have a 4BW). I feel like your assessment is spot on. I do think the f82 was a great looking car though. I don't know wtf BMW is thinking these days with the styling, the new 7 is an atrocity, and this coming from someone who didn't hate the Bangle era.
@@bunzaroo yeah, mine was a 19 Coupe in Wave Metallic (blue), one of 4 with the 6mt. The BW is the first new 4 door car I've ever bought. I miss the coupe styling, but nice to easily throw things in the back seat.
Mpower! going to trade in my M235i for the new M2 i had a C6, CTS v1, and an ATS im good off american cars theyre built cheap once i got my 1st 4series ive been in love with BMW
@dubfather2754 lol the seats were amazing until you sat in them. These people on here want to save "the 20k" then find out after they buy the blackwing it's garbage..The m3 is 100% more comfortable and drives better(all around)..coming from someone that owned both & also paid the same amount of money for each one,Bmw for the win.
@dubfather2754 I traded my Blackwing for a manual 2022 M3 . The m3 looks more aggressive, built better,drives better and is faster. I had a hellcat prior to the Bw (manual) and still feel the m3 is just a better vehicle minis the Infotainment. Mopar Infotainment was better than both the Bw and M3.
We all know BMW'S are fast but you guys noticed all the BMW'S always winning on this guy channel? I think he's a bmw fan boy and the race are rigged, u even had a bmw beating a 1000hp trackhawk which is impossible, you should rename your channel to BMWLegion
He's had some questionabke matchups throughout his earlier tenure. He has his favorites for sure. He seems to be more inline with BMW (he owns or owned one) and they are one of my favs as well but might come down to availability and securing cars etc.
@@RDriver2.0 Spot on! We usually pick the highest bidder as the winner . So in this case BMW paid the highest money. So anytime you see a car you love lose, it’s because they paid less money. It’s just fair to pick a winner based on 💰💰💰
I’ve watched 2 videos with Sam and Cadillac and for some reason I’m not fully satisfied with his drive. When you have similar specs it’s a great idea to switch cars and drivers. It’s just an observation don’t hate on me, I own a 2023 Cadillac Ct5 V and love the power plus the look.
@@tri3pleagent You're the one that made a silly comment at me kid! You can guesstimate the power to weight ratio all you want, but it got absolutely destroyed either way!🤡
@@germanengineering204 dude...go that way. It's a more powerful car. Add in the guy can't drive stick for shit and there you have it. We all know that car makes quite a bit more than the stated horsepower and the stated horsepower is already 30 more than the Caddy. You sound silly AF.
Straight line performance is one test, driving on a road course is another. With the exception of the “CS” variants of the M3, I think the CT4 Blackwing’s chassis would give it an edge over the M3. It’s the overall dynamic handling and package of the Blackwing that’s so special. It’s what BMW used to do so well, but GM beat them at it this time. The motor on the BMW M cars is spectacular though!
I have no idea why Cadillac insists on sticking to the conjunctivitis headlight and taillight treatment? But it didn't look good at its launch and it certainly hasn't gotten better with time, especially the taillights on this thing. It's a decent enough looking car otherwise, aside from the typical GM interior. But even for the price difference, BMW everyday/all day, even with the goofy grill!
Just a thought.. I know the size difference, I know they're not exactly in the same "class" but everyone who is in here talking about how the BMW is faster and has more power.... Lol at price points... Throw some sticky ties and a lil bolt on power to the caddy and the BMW is toast... Or put it up against the M2 that is actually in it's price point and watch the beemer boys cry... When a car is ~15k more expensive (depending on equipment) it's always going to out perform in some areas... But seriously let's get real, caddy guys will get the caddy, beemer boys will get the m3 good video guys really liked the content.
@@GeronimoBigglesthat’s probably one of the funniest things I’ve heard in a while. You have no clue about track driving because anyone with experience would know better. Sorry bud but that doesn’t make sense.
I drove a ct4v blackwing and a is500, that Cadillac was quick, but felt so bland with that v6.. lexus felt just as fast, but wayyyyy funner to drive, actually made me feel something. Build quality on the lexus blows the Cadillac away in every way also.. but i always eanted to see a drag race between the two out of curiosity. They both make 472 hp That is500 is special for sure
@@SamCarLegion mann, IDK. It'll be a close matchup for sure. Especially from a roll Either way, is500 is a way better car all around and funner to drive, better engine, also better looking imo. Id take that all day
@@JadeaRS4 your 100 wrong my buddy just put down pipes on it and cai and jb4 tune simple tune he’s at 590 whp!! Now hp tuners just released a whole suite of tunes on the pcm and tcm and ebcm which costs about 3k after unlocking the pcm his but will have 660 at the wheels now!! So there you’re 5k in mods
Sam love your channel..but the reason why the M is $20K more, is quite evident for everyone to see!? This video says it all, German cars is just on a different level..but great race thanks..
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This is probably the comparison I wanted the most this year! Super happy it happened. For the money, I would take the CT4-V Blackwing.
I went with the Blackwing in the same color and 6mt as well lol, Im not surprised. BMW is notorious for under rating the power. My 335i definitely had more than the 300hp advertised.
The kedelak driver, please, should not race. Every race he takes, he loses. I think his driving is bad.
@@user-to4kq1qy4j can you please type in English? I don’t understand anything.
@@GSX455s small tune and you will have a monster
I went for the M3 xDrive. Made the most sense to enjoy the (no speed limit) on the German autobahn. Plus is absolutely amazing on small and twisty country roads.
Thanks for this comparison and congrats on being the only one with it!
I would like to see you switch drivers (especially when comparing manual transmissions) to see if driver's skill affects the results.
That’s the dumbest idea. The owner of the M3 would make the BW look better?
@@SamCarLegionWhy not? You think all driver's are equally skilled?
@@jdl92264 this race went exactly how it was supposed to. Times online are equally.
It's not a dumb idea. Some of the people you have on here are absolutely terrible drivers yourself included lol. There is plenty of driver error each video.
@@pakaloolakp they are all bad drivers. At least it gives you a real world comparison for when you race on the street lol
having driven both the ct4 v blackwing is the far more engaging and fun driving experience and the caddys tremec puts the m3s manual to shame.
RS3 is better than both nowadays imo!
@@germanengineering204 not at all. The Audi doesn’t have the chassis of the ct4 v bw nor the big power of the s58 in the m3. I find the RS cars to be pretty boring and mundane to drive like most other VAG cars.
@@DippinItUp1 I agree with a lot of what you said, but RS3 is a better all arounder! Better all weather daily driver, and better sound! It's a little better bang for your buck especially when compared to the M3 imo!!
@@germanengineering204RS3 is not a comparison being auto only, and FWD chassis to boot.
@@wesleywalls7582 Just a friendly comparison! I'm a fan of all three cars, and currently own a new M240i xdrive! Definitely not biased towards Audi!
Flagman checking in! This shoot was fun to be a part of. 473bhp BMW M3, nah; Its well over 500 crank horsepower. Regardless, it was a fortunate stroke of luck to have a manual M3 join the festivities and make this video happen! Good racing lads. See you in the next one :D
You the man Jim!
I wish Sam would give us the MPH at the 1/4 mile mark, that would give a much better idea of real HP. I can tell you my 3950 curb weight RWD Auto ~540 crank hp runs 12.2 @ 116 mph on the street. That 116 is indictive of HP, the 12.2 can be altered by many factors.
@@SamCarLegionWhy are you such a bad driver? You need to do better.
@@MrJrolon1975 maybe the Stig would be better
I thought they were 510hp
Was you utilizing the no lift shift? It seems you was losing way more ground on each shift.
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Caddy vs M340 woulda been a better pick
M340 also does a 12.2
@@jeffa.8976 because its 4wd
@jeffa.8976 that m3 manual has more topend then a m340i for a fact
I don’t think you can get the M340 in a manual.
@@nunnaurbidness3209 you can't
The dude brings some insane races no one thinks of! I love it. This is probably the only official drag race of the CT4 BW I have seen so far. Kudos to Sam ❤
You should also swap drivers to see if it makes a difference, the m3 owner probably way more used to his car than sam is to the ct4
No the ct4v is just that disappointing. I test drive one at Laguna seca for a Cadillac event. And this is coming from an ex camaro ss 1le owner I would take every opportunity to praise gm performance. My base 3.4L 911 with 350hp and no torque accelerates basically as fast as the ct4v black wing. The ct4v black wing gets outrun in a straight line by the m340i let alone anything with an s58. The ct4v is a nearly perfect car in every other way it just has a competley disappointing engine.
Our ATS-V'S have the LF4 engine like the 4 BW. $2500 in parts, e85, and a tune and you gain 200 whp. We have one making 630 whp and another making right at 700 whp. I bought both cars for the price of one BMW.
@@SteveBrueckthere goes your warranty 😅😅😅
One was out of warranty when we bought it, and the other one was quickly out of warranty almost as soon as I bought it, and it only had 11k miles.
I would do dirty things for a CT5 BW
Seeing those shifts actually makes the race so much more exciting!
I love this match up but BMWs make a lot more power than advertised and they put it down to ground like no other!! Both cars are amazing though!!!
Not a lot more 30 hp more than they say. VW/Porsche doing 50/60 hp + than advertised. No chance vs BMW engine is superior than competition
@@henzo7087 A lot of VW make less power.. BMW are the king when it's come to make more HP than advertised.
3.0 vs 3.6 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@JoseManuel-cq1ot You make it sound like 0.6L is a huge difference or something🤦🏼♂️ …nice cars but I’d rather get the CT4 and do a simple tune that wakes them right up with 500+hp and still have $20,000 in my pocket
@@henzo7087 the new m2 says 453bhp but, when dynoed it puts down 535whp.
Sam! We been waiting this video for the longest and you are the only one that have made it happened.
Good choice on having the lower HP M3 instead of the competition versions.
That cadi looks good and moves good. But you are the first one that put them on a head to head and letting the cars talk instead of doing a “blind review” with favoritism towards any of them.
Here to make the impossible… possible
I'm not surprised that the BMW is faster, but I am surprised that it's faster by a few car lengths.
Impressive. I still love my CT4 BW though
The m3 costs much more
The BMW is quick but not quicker unless it is the AWD CS. The driver was pathetic as many of the comments have pointed out.
@@robertburr7407u dumb? The regular m3 comp xdrive or m4 xdrive smoke it as shown here and on car and drivers quarter mile times and 0-60s. U don't need the CS version 😂😂
The bw launch control does give you wheelspin but i got two 4.2 sec 0-60 runs with it on. (I only tried twice). You can see the power diference once in third gear. I bet the m3 has 40+ more whp than advertised. Lots of people ragging on Sam's skills but i think he was within a few tenths of what the bw is capable of stock in the 1/4.
BMW makes 550 bhp. You can see online dynos. People that comment here like that have zero clue, so it doesn’t bother me.
the race i always wondered about, cause no one has done it, but really the beimer is just unmatched
bimmer 👍
That's because it's underrated by 40hp. It's not that amazing. 🙄
@thomasferrarojr.9772 wonder if an auto would keep up a bit better, but still would lose
I think the real match up is a CT5 Black wing, price wise they are much closer
But size wise, this is the correct match up. The CT5 is the same size as the 5 series
That’s m5 territory lol still gon lose especially to the M5 CS
@@Tm0n3y762
Not on the race track. Look at the Haverty video.
Ct5 blackwing would still lose.
M3's are just built different. Love the Blackwing but M3's are special
Can you elaborate on what you mean by being "built different"
@christopherpickens1478 ones German and ones American. Kidding aside, the power band on these engines even from 80s are just remarkable. Just bc they have similar HP and torque, and even weighs almost the same, this is where true engineering shines. Hell, the black wing has almost 70ft/lbs torque more and still loses
@@jikwag3415 cause of a suck ass driver, however I do see your perspective
@christopherpickens1478 I agree... I don't wanna dog the guy bc I like the content but yes, it was super cringing everytime he slams the gear shift.. bro they go into gear even with just a force of your pinky why are you slamming the gears so hard. I would never let this guy drive my car. He'll probably bent the shift shaft
Do a road course test next, performance is a lot more than just acceleration, every test for road course the Cadillac skunks the Bimmer, that is engineering.
I sold BMW and the longer in gear acceleration helps and the elasticity of the engine is its strong point. Apparently the CTSv4 Blackwing has a great chassis and feel..buy what you enjoy.. I still enjoy my 6 speed e90 more then the new cars I drove, different experience. Best pick is the M340 tuned. So much potential.
BWM is NOT an Xdrive and NOT a competition spec, aka the slow spc.
Great videos Sam, love the Blackwing!
That BMW is just too special of a car and it has its tricks up its sleeve.
I'm a BMW fan and current owner but that Blackwing is still an awesome machine, I would love to own one if I didn't need a back seat.
Obviously the bmw was going to win, but the driver still jumped every roll race.
Another great race Sam!
I had a '23 M4 Comp X drive for 3 months before I flipped (sold) it. It was insanely fast. These current M cars (3/4 series) are very good.
Yeah I was gonna trade my rs5 coupe in for one but had to buy a house 😠
Considered doing that with mine, just did the 1200 mile service but can’t let it go. It’s a monster and a blast to drive. Not much stands a chance stock for stock. I wish the turbo s wasn’t so expensive
@@Turtle-sz7skI don’t know if you won or lost but good decision on the home congratulations
Imagine the m8
@@davidwade7681 not for me but I respect it. My M3 is my daily, I prefer a fast daily and an exotic. Just can’t justify the price of huracans, f8’s etc. the m3 comp x is so capable it has curbed my urge for a super/hyper car. This car literally saved me money lol
4.2 Seconds is nothing...absolutely nothing...to sneeze at. Whoever gets a Blackwing should be quite happy.
Crazy how much a manual transmission and RWD handicaps these cars. The AWD and automatic transmission are just so much better for performance.
It's a driving experience ur obv a tesla nerd and u don't have a clue about having fun in a car that takes skill to drive.
MORAL OF THE STORY IS GET YOUR SELF A M
Ewww no wouldn't touch it with a 6ft pole.
Id rather the ct5-V blackwing for the price and it will hold its value much better and for longer with the 6spd and lt4. You pay m3 money for m5 CS performance and have the manual. I digress. Both cars are pretty awesome and for the price the ct4 is hard to beat.
The CT5 V Blackwing doesn't come athousand mile close to the M5 CS.
?? If you watch the Haggerty channel review you will see that on a track the CT5 blackwing is faster than the M5 cs! M5 cs in a straight line will easily win but that not the reason the blackwing was made!
That’s exactly what you pay extra bucks for - a better performance. Thanks for the great video!
if Im paying that much I want about a bus length not a car & a half
Is it better around the track?
@@layne4376 GET AN M3 XDRIVE automatic and it's still lights out...
@@KDbeats19 The BMW has a better performance, better handling, better driving experience, better buildquality, better interior, and most importantly a better brand recognition with a car known for motoersporting. Everyone will remember the M3, but a few will recall that CT4 V Blackwing.
@@hassanger8128 Well there's many generations of the m3 so I wouldn't be surprised, but I get what u mean.
Best race of the year, M3 6 speed manual vs CT-4 Blackwing 6 speed manual, thanks much!
I just bought a 2020 CT4 V with the 2.7L turbo. And i absolutly am inlove with the car. Been driving it for about 3 months. Its fully loaded and i will say ill wait a few yrs and look to the blackwing. This was a good race to see
We all knew this outcome, but the brilliance of the CT4-V Blackwing is its chassis and manual gearbox, not its outright power. The M3 is fantastic though.
@@layne4376 good excuse for you to suck off BMW eh?
@@layne4376well he has to come up with some excuse, because slower on the road course too. Surprised he didn’t bring up the nose as another excuse either.
@@layne4376 eh, I drive a 2022 Model S, so I would beat both of them. 😎
@@wesleywalls7582 plaid or peasant spec?
@@S8ER my six-figure “peasant spec” will run a 10.8 at 128 quarter mile.
Sam, what is the fastest 0-100 km/h, the cadillac blackwing or the m240i xdrive g42 ?
The 240i is AWD.....what do you think? Lol
Isn’t the m3 single turbo twin scroll stock they write twin power because of the twin scroll if I am not mistaken 🤔
Yeah on paper they look similar but on the dyno the BW puts down 415ish WHP and the M3/M4 puts down 500+ whp. Big difference.
Also i noticed you didnt use the launch control on the BW. Not sure if the m3 has launch control.
We tried with launch control- cars spin like crazy. Result was similar just slower launch. M3 does have it, just finicky.
10 psi more boost so duh
Yeap.. m3 had @510bhp OR that blackwing had @440bhp. Wasn't about shifting at all.. from third gear up.. power cloud be seen.
Both cars are awesome but M3 has more power than the ct4 v black wings I got a little confused about both cars having the same Hp and torque but the price difference of 22 thousand probably m3 will have a lot of space inside but I like both of cars thanks Sam have a nice day
On the CT4 BW the ECU has a boost cut from factory until its been operating for I think 10 or 15 minutes.
No, 180 degree oil temp, same as our ATS-V'S. We have the same LF4 engine, just lots more power
Need to flat foot shift so boost doesn't drop off each gear change. Might've made a small difference 🤷♂
He said he was flat foot shifting...
The BW no lift shift seems to not carry the boost well I bet it'll carry boost better with normal shifting
Would have made a big difference
The caddy and the m330i 2023 woulda been better the m3. Como dusted it
Try using the launch control on the ct4 it makes a huge difference than dumping the clutch
Doesn’t matter. It ain’t beating the m3 😅😅
Wonder how their times would compare around a track?
Horsepower difference clearly visible. M3 probably 500+
No this is a skill issue. He was losing too much speed in each shift
I remember being told by the dealership that ct4 blackwing is impossible to get but now I'm seeing quite a few on auto trader.
the 2024 ct4 are getting redesigned inside and it’s a 20yr anniversary i’m hoping to get a black wing or v. next summer
10 min of talking and 2 min of racing that wasn’t even close at all. Common man
Very exciting matchup! Would like to see this M3 vs a gt350.
M3 on drag race will pull away, same on anything below 60mph. Anything higher they basically stay the same.
On track the M3 with cup tires will have an edge but that GT350 still a beast on a track.
Shifting your own really slows down both. The autos are seamless and are so much more controlled.
And way less fun
Little less fun, but still have the paddle shifting involvement, and a car that's quite a bit quicker in every way possible especially dig racing!
Would take the Caddy based on looks alone.
Bmw's dyno is close to the summit of Everest.
That's how they get their numbers.
I'm from Germany, or rather Bavaria, where BMW is at home. I had a BMW 7 Series and a BMW 5 Series myself. But then I had a Cadillac Eldorado and a Cadillac STS.
Cadillac is also my favorite brand. So much elegance, great technology, luxury and beauty combined with sportiness is unique. And still cheaper than the competition (BMW, Mercedes Benz, Audi). No other car brand can do that.
It doesn't get any better than this. Cadillac!!! 😊👍🏼
Here is my only video that I made myself .... from my Cadillac at the time:
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This was the expected outcome. I'd love to see the difference in a track race instead. M3 obviously has more hp than listed but surprised how fast it really is.
I'd still take the blackwing any day. Looks better and won't be in the shop constantly. Also way cheaper to maintain and more reliable.
Blackwing is faster around a track as indicated. That is what it was meant for.
Gm should have turned the boost up from the factory on the blackwing. 500whp would be the sweet spot
Sporting comparisons are more important than insulting each other. As a BMW fan, I think it's good to have a new competitor - see CT5-V BW and M5 Comp.
Never thought I'd see the day Cadillac looks better than an M car.
BMW has better interior tho
For that price difference it better…
I'm sill waiting for that day to come.
This M3 looks way better. That day would never come.
This Cadillac should race an M340i, even then I don’t think it would win.. mainly cause of the advantage from the ZF8 auto. If they were both auto that would be interesting..
Thank You Samuel!
I'm waiting for this one lol
The M3 looks sooo much better imho.
The Germans and Italians, do it better
Underrating power figures? Indeed!
Reliability wise? No.
They absolutely don’t “do it better”🙄………..no one in their right mind would take a fully loaded CT4 blackwing over a base m3, just doesn’t make sense! 🥱👈🏽
@@yousefal-assaf2985Right I mean why lie to make your vehicles seem superior.😒
@@dennissmith7214if your looking to make big power, and have a better build quality + aftermarket support the M3 is the clear winner here lol.
Would be great if you did rs5 vs ct4 blackwing and m3 next
S58 is the king 🙇♂️
costs way more so id hope so
@@nick0164 easily optioned at $85k for xdrive comp. You don’t have to go crazy on options.
B58?
@@manuelpiston B58 is the S58’s little brother.
The bmw 340 with a 2 pound boost gain would eat up this slow blackwing 😂
Slow? Lol. Why you talking about cars you'll never be able to afford 😂😂 🤡
@@BPR-IronCurtainyou don’t have to afford to talk about them
Fact lol
Practice shifting gents.
We need S58 vs lightly tuned B58 plz 🙏
Great comparison. As others have mentioned the M3 is underated. I had a 2021 M3 base auto, non X drive. Now I have a 22 Blackwing w carbon package. 10 speed. My honest opinion
M3
Quicker acceleration
Better looking interior/Materials
Better looking wheels
Better finish overall
Blackwing
A tad slower overall/ seat of the pants
Rides better w/ magnetic suspension
Feels more planted
Fit and finish a tad on the lower side
I feel it looks better overall than the Beamer, except the wheels.
Thinking of doing JB4 / down pipes/intake. Should take me to 600+ at the wheels.
you're high if you think a JB4 tune will pump 600 wheel HP lmao. Owned many AMGs and S line audis and a few M cars, legit delusional if you believe some cheap ass tune and some DP will pump out that much more HP.
I had a f82 M4, then an ATSV (now have a 4BW). I feel like your assessment is spot on. I do think the f82 was a great looking car though. I don't know wtf BMW is thinking these days with the styling, the new 7 is an atrocity, and this coming from someone who didn't hate the Bangle era.
@@George0674 i also had 2 ATSV’s 16’ crystal white sedan and 19’ steel gray coupe. I miss the coupe so much.
@@bunzaroo yeah, mine was a 19 Coupe in Wave Metallic (blue), one of 4 with the 6mt. The BW is the first new 4 door car I've ever bought. I miss the coupe styling, but nice to easily throw things in the back seat.
@@George0674 only 114 atsv’s were built in 19’ all coupes. Mine was 1 of 13. I really miss the styling of the coupe. 😢
Mpower! going to trade in my M235i for the new M2 i had a C6, CTS v1, and an ATS im good off american cars theyre built cheap once i got my 1st 4series ive been in love with BMW
Same here traded my 33 Bw Ct4 for a 22 M4 and it was the same price actually, no clue where people are shopping but blackings are over 70k everywhere.
@@carlosanti7726 yeah dude i cant pay money for another cheap american car even tho the cadi looks nice i can already smell the cheap gm parts lol
@dubfather2754 lol the seats were amazing until you sat in them. These people on here want to save "the 20k" then find out after they buy the blackwing it's garbage..The m3 is 100% more comfortable and drives better(all around)..coming from someone that owned both & also paid the same amount of money for each one,Bmw for the win.
@@carlosanti7726 yeah dude I was stubborn for a while my buddy let me borrow his 3 series one day and it was a wrap lol what you driving currently?
@dubfather2754 I traded my Blackwing for a manual 2022 M3 . The m3 looks more aggressive, built better,drives better and is faster. I had a hellcat prior to the Bw (manual) and still feel the m3 is just a better vehicle minis the Infotainment. Mopar Infotainment was better than both the Bw and M3.
I would love to see the same cars with paddle shift to see the outcome
Me too
@@SamCarLegion m3 would still win
Does the CT4-V also come with No lift shift? 🤔
Yes
We all know BMW'S are fast but you guys noticed all the BMW'S always winning on this guy channel? I think he's a bmw fan boy and the race are rigged, u even had a bmw beating a 1000hp trackhawk which is impossible, you should rename your channel to BMWLegion
BMWLegion mmmm now thats worth thinking about!
He's had some questionabke matchups throughout his earlier tenure. He has his favorites for sure. He seems to be more inline with BMW (he owns or owned one) and they are one of my favs as well but might come down to availability and securing cars etc.
@@RDriver2.0 Spot on! We usually pick the highest bidder as the winner . So in this case BMW paid the highest money. So anytime you see a car you love lose, it’s because they paid less money. It’s just fair to pick a winner based on 💰💰💰
@@SamCarLegion 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
😋😉
Not even close. Brutal
Can we do a new accord hybrid vs the 2.0t accord
I’ve watched 2 videos with Sam and Cadillac and for some reason I’m not fully satisfied with his drive. When you have similar specs it’s a great idea to switch cars and drivers. It’s just an observation don’t hate on me, I own a 2023 Cadillac Ct5 V and love the power plus the look.
I know looks are subjective, but that Cadillac is hideous.
I would trust the s58 more than the gm's v6
Wrong engine my guy lol.
@@BPR-IronCurtain lol fixed it
@@pompano_jedi172 I gotchu fam lol. To be fair the b58 is probably more reliable than both.
Would love to see it up against the Cadillac CT5-V V-Series Blackwing
That’s an M5 competitor
@drivescene6747, and I believe the m5 took no losses
@@ii_dynastyyeah the m5 got absolutely shit in by the Tesla plaid just like the bw did so it most certainly took a loss.
@@BPR-IronCurtain We are talking about cars, and not vacuum cleaners.
Would have rather seen the Caddy v RS3, but this was still fun to watch
Pound for pound American muscle will never match German engineering
Also dollar per dollar
what if your american muscle is german engineered? 🤔
Bimmers are just different lol! Unreal how badly that blackwing was getting gapped every single time😄
That usually happens when you have more power 🤷🏿♂️
@@tri3pleagent yup, but still shouldn't get gapped that badly😄! Bimmers are on another level just admit it bro!
If you think that's bad when you're down 50-60 hp...you know what, never mind.
@@tri3pleagent You're the one that made a silly comment at me kid! You can guesstimate the power to weight ratio all you want, but it got absolutely destroyed either way!🤡
@@germanengineering204 dude...go that way. It's a more powerful car. Add in the guy can't drive stick for shit and there you have it. We all know that car makes quite a bit more than the stated horsepower and the stated horsepower is already 30 more than the Caddy. You sound silly AF.
Straight line performance is one test, driving on a road course is another. With the exception of the “CS” variants of the M3, I think the CT4 Blackwing’s chassis would give it an edge over the M3. It’s the overall dynamic handling and package of the Blackwing that’s so special. It’s what BMW used to do so well, but GM beat them at it this time. The motor on the BMW M cars is spectacular though!
I love the cadillac! Such a good look.
German Auto Tech is by far Superior
That S58 Engine is a monster!!!
Engine wise, I guess the M3 is under rated and the CT4-V BLACKWING is overated. 🤔
I think the BW is on point, and the bmw is underrated
@SamCarLegion I definitely appreciates the content Sam! Keep them coming! 👏🏽👏🏽
Granny shifting and not double clutching in the CTS-V. 🤣
Nice work
Bmw it's more money but you get better engineering and quality 2
I have no idea why Cadillac insists on sticking to the conjunctivitis headlight and taillight treatment? But it didn't look good at its launch and it certainly hasn't gotten better with time, especially the taillights on this thing. It's a decent enough looking car otherwise, aside from the typical GM interior. But even for the price difference, BMW everyday/all day, even with the goofy grill!
Same - once I drove my girls OLD 535i that's been tuned - I'm a believer! Thing just gets OUT! It's also quiet/comfortable and a tank sorta!
Just a thought..
I know the size difference, I know they're not exactly in the same "class" but everyone who is in here talking about how the BMW is faster and has more power.... Lol at price points... Throw some sticky ties and a lil bolt on power to the caddy and the BMW is toast... Or put it up against the M2 that is actually in it's price point and watch the beemer boys cry... When a car is ~15k more expensive (depending on equipment) it's always going to out perform in some areas... But seriously let's get real, caddy guys will get the caddy, beemer boys will get the m3 good video guys really liked the content.
Pls next sact pack vs CT4 blacking wing !
M3 is too much 💪 for the Malibu
ROFL. Car and Driver must be conjuring up additional magic to further anoint the Black Wing as the holy grail of automotive engineering.
Good luck putting that CT4 on an actual race track 😂
The CT4 BW is literally built for the racetrack.
You have one ?
@@ashtoncarlisle2750 yes i do it gets better lap times than the supra with the b58 also shown by many big reviewers
@@GeronimoBigglesthat’s probably one of the funniest things I’ve heard in a while. You have no clue about track driving because anyone with experience would know better. Sorry bud but that doesn’t make sense.
I drove a ct4v blackwing and a is500, that Cadillac was quick, but felt so bland with that v6.. lexus felt just as fast, but wayyyyy funner to drive, actually made me feel something.
Build quality on the lexus blows the Cadillac away in every way also.. but i always eanted to see a drag race between the two out of curiosity. They both make 472 hp
That is500 is special for sure
Ct4 bw all day everyday
@@SamCarLegion mann, IDK. It'll be a close matchup for sure. Especially from a roll
Either way, is500 is a way better car all around and funner to drive, better engine, also better looking imo. Id take that all day
Is that the same track throttle house goes to? Oh man there’s gonna be a turf war.
I’ll take the caddy for 12k less in the states!! It’s a no brainer with 5k in mods I’ll blow by the m3!!!
Hell, a $1000 tune and you are taking it in a roll race. The LF4 is a good engine, not quite S58, but very tuneable as well.
It's not a competition model. Need more then 5g worth of upgrades. Then you kill the warranty as well. Not with the M3 competition.
Who the hell cares about a caddy except for grandpas at a golf course?
The Tremec is superbly
@@JadeaRS4 your 100 wrong my buddy just put down pipes on it and cai and jb4 tune simple tune he’s at 590 whp!! Now hp tuners just released a whole suite of tunes on the pcm and tcm and ebcm which costs about 3k after unlocking the pcm his but will have 660 at the wheels now!! So there you’re 5k in mods
Good work
I was no lift shifting my 88 vw gli 30 years ago lol 100hp
You need to do this whole thing again. I saw you lifting your right foot. When you were shifting the car has a no lift shifter.
M4 is in Blackwing 5 area--over 100k for them near me while that CT4 is under 70k--30k to 40k is a big price diffrence.
Sam love your channel..but the reason why the M is $20K more, is quite evident for everyone to see!? This video says it all, German cars is just on a different level..but great race thanks..
Said the same thing
tell that to the c8
I'm convinced all the BMW motors from the F80 M3 to now have black magic in them because they are fast and just keep tugging.