The P4K is definitely worth it. I returned the P6K Pro after 3 weeks. I preferred the P4K work flow, smaller file size, lighter form factor for gimbal. I see my self using it for a long time.
I feel like the 6k was made to address some of the issues with the 4K and it gives slightly shaper 4K footage. It's not worth it if you're already invested in a 4K.
@PRIVATE The last thing holding me of from buying a Blackmagic Pocket Pocket Camera are the file sizes. i would have to spend very much money on huge ssds in my pc or is it not that bad?
This is the very reason why I purchased the P4K. I usually shoot on rented cameras and never really entertain the idea of owning a proper camera coz they change so fast nowadays. I usually have a recce camera on me all the time like a tiny Sony a6500 and a Leica for stills. But when the P4K released I had to buy it if not for regular use then for my personal collection coz I immediately sensed a longevity about it that I had previously felt with the Canon 5D and the Canon t2i back in the late 2000s. It's so basic that there are very little features that will be outdated. No bettering the autofocus coz there isn't any, no bettering the monitor coz you use an external one anyway, no bettering the battery coz you got that v-mount juice. Just a bare minimum camera with good colours and decent dynamic range.
For sure! It's such a unique camera and really most blackmagic cameras have a feel of having longevity to them. More so then other DSLR or mirror less cameras
I recently bought this and coming from the dslr world, it forced me to remember everything I had learn in film school. Now that I’ve learned to control it, it’s a pleasure to work with.
All I can say is touché - and with davinci resolve 17s color managed workflow it is easier than ever to get a good starting point for grading. BMD has continuously added value to the camera with braw, updated color science etc. I love it.
BMD is really on to something with their cameras. If they wanted too they probably could have charged significantly more for a number of their cameras but they don't. Really a much wider doorway for potential cinematographers or video people to acquire good cameras that aren't at RED or Arri pricing.
It's April 2022 and I'm still using the PCC4K with the Metabones XL. I'll still be using it years into the future. It was the camera that we purchased as a B camera to our old Ursa Mini 4.6K that quickly became our A camera and for me, remains my A camera to this day despite also owning the PCC6K Pro.
I swing hammers for a living, and have no biz talking about filmmaking but somehow this P4K and BMD makes my videos look somewhat professional. Even the stills delivered on social media! Incredibly good for amateurs like myself. It's a joy to use.
I use my BM4K for Doc, and video production and it has paid for itself many times over. Very easy to use and with DaVinci it is a dream, like FCP 7 came back to life.
That's awesome! BRAW codecs make it so easy to edit too. I have more problems editing gopro files then BRAW. I travel everywhere with mine and it's just such good quality in a compact design!
I can't think of many situations a GH4 wouldn't be good enough. That camera still outdoes a lot of newer cameras and was so good there was zero reason to get a GH5. So yea, if a 7 year old camera holds up, there's no reason a bmpcc4k wouldn't.
Oh, for sure! I think people ditch cameras to quickly for no good reason and buy the next big thing. You should always be intentional about why you purchase new equipment and what it will help you do work wise, not just because the specs are better. The pocket 4k will be good for a long time
Actually got a BMPCC4K on order (I'm a broadcast cameraman) to learn how to use it as a starter cinema camera for my own projects. Fortunately it was on special offer (came with a free battery grip). Great video.
Yesterday I received my brand spanking new bmpcc 4k, a Meike cine MFT lense set and some basic peripheral. Some will probably question my choice in 2023 but I want to learn the craft on a brilliant platform. Secondly I have found great inspiration and knowledge on Frame Voyager so a BIG shoutout to you for your effort and your brilliant work making my decision a qualified one - and to Mark Bone, Jacques Crafford, Of Two Lands, Film Riot, Christopher Michael Law and few others. Your emphasis on bmpcc 4k was not the deciding factor per se, but played a big role in my decision on ecosystem. Thank you once again. /Per (Denmark/Europe)
To me even the first bmpcc with lumix lens is still worth it. It's amazing in the right hands. I'd rather concentrate more on the story telling and edits side than gear requirements.
All the local media companies in my area are shooting on the pocket 4k over their RED camera set ups because of the great looking footage , size, and cost of overall production. I'm getting a second one and it pairs well with my EVO II Pro. Most of the TV stuff I do release in 1080 anyway and 6k to reframe sounds like a poorly planned shot if you have to punch in ALL the time.
the punch-in can be part of the plan if you're flying completley solo, gives you access to limited fake pan and tilt (arguably platform and truck would be closer terms) without needing to buy expensive remote-controlled sliders and such.
At the moment... I still like the P4K over the P6K. Pretty much just because I can get really close to the full-frame Vista Vision look on the 4K with an XL speedbooster. It's only a 1.2x crop! Hopefully we'll see that cool drop-in Speedbooster for the 6K soon.
I've heard a lot of people say that like the image quality on the p4k better than the 6k. I'm getting the 6k pro but like you doubt it will completely replace my p4ks
Buying this camera Tomorrow as my first. This video sold me after ive been thinking about it for about a week. These are insane shots. Absolutely insane detail i love it
This overall theme of this video rings so true. For the entire 4 years of owning this camera, I am consistently amazed by the results. Lately, my stupid brain is has been in a bloody war, between buying a Meike Cine Lens Set...or upgrade. Thanks for solidifying my decision to stick with this baby for a bit longer.
I've Just bought the BMPCC 4k and i'm loving It! Cinema texture, easy-operationed and great features to make cinema. Thanks for sharing vídeos About this camera. This Is helping me a lot
Agreed! I have the BMPCC 4K, GH5 and recently bought the BMPCC OG because even that old cam is still super awesome. My profession is film and video work, and I really don't need any other camera and cannot see why I would for a long time.
Still worth it. I have been buying them for 1000 dollars on ebay, used. I am setting up a studio with the ATEM mini PRO, using all 4k cams for livestreaming and multi-cam shows.
Thanks for that. I'm considering it for a while now, and I guess I'll go for it sooner than later. Coming from mft (at least partial) and owning mft cinema lenses, and wanting to learn how to properly operate a cinema camera just for the sake of it, I guess it's the best choice. Especially given the shelf price in comparison to hard-laboured OG BMPCCs.... I own a Lumix G9 (among others), and I really like the quality it gives me. But I feel the limits without even knowing them, I wish to have more direct control than the ones the G9 offers... And, just for a good measure: who - at least sane people - ever asks if a Leica M-A or Arriflex or Jaguar D-Type is still worth it in 2021? If something was great for the purpose it was made for it is still great after a century. The question should be: does it meet the specs I need now? The BMPCC 4k still produces a framerate more than 6 times higher than RUclips compression. Most people don't even use 4k screens. And a beautiful image will stay a beautiful image. Otherwise, we should burn every movie shot before Arri Alexa. And I don't think that anyone considers that.
I think it's not bad to ask yourself if some piece of gear is worth it. Technologies advance quite fast and prices usually don't drop that much, so if you are looking for a 3 yo camera, it's very likely that other camera replaced it and not for a lot more money. I'm not saying that 3 yo camera isn't still useful, but you have to constantly check that you get the best for your budget.
Oh for sure! I just think for this specific camera, kind of hard to argue on the costs of it. You could have everything with it for less than the price of a sonya7iii body. It's an enigma of a camera for sure
Well put! Until people begin to understand this is not a hybrid camera and see this camera for what it is, they will never get it. This is a cinematic camera intended for feature films, Documentaries or interviews, it is a brain with some perks, just like when purchasing a RED or an ARRI, you only get the brain and have to rig it out in order for it to function, the Pocket Cinema Camera 4K and 6k is the same with the exception of the nice screen.
It’s such an awesome camera! Whether you rig out or put on a Gimbal, it just looks beautiful when color graded. I have been using this over my Sony camera lately. It’s just fun to use, more organic. False color is the number one feature for me. Second would be peaking. My zhiyun crane 2s using the transmount transmitter is really cool. I can control everything from the phone.
@@FrameVoyager There is lot to be said for 12 bit over 8 bit and 10bit. My sony is a A7III and I have a GH5. I have been having way more fun being intentional on m pocket 4k. Its such a great tool. fun, fun, fun....
Super honest video and essentially reflects my views. Ultimately if you are running into problems that are holding you back, THEN it's worth upgrading the camera, otherwise buy more lights or just save and rent, only way to improve ones content. I started just 2 years ago and while typically one could say that lack of AF, IS is going to make life difficult and you will battle against the camera the end goal is just so rewarding. So totally agree, great beginners camera with so much flexibility. If you need to be out in the rough and doing let say sports stuff then it's less ideal to get the Pockets but still doable. Love the camera even for its pleathora of shortcomings. PS subbed!
Great comments and exactly my thoughts as well! It really is such a great camera even with some of its issues. I have an URSA G2 and a 6K Pro but it's still a camera I will rely on just because of its size and flexibility. Appreciate the sub! Hope to see you around the channel!
Honestly, the Bmpcc cameras look better than most cameras in terrible lighting because of the amount of data they record. I'm not saying we should not light and frame correctly, but more data is always more good. I mean take a look at some of the 9x7 test footage. It's fucking gorgeous. 10GB/s. Yes i know it's a speciality camera, but the sheer amount of data it can record makes everything feel so damn lifelike.
Oh, I totally agree. And honestly, if you know how to work the ISO levels correctly in low light situations it's actually a pretty easy cleanup noise wise in post and you can get really good shots with it. The bitrate setting too, if you fully understand those it helps a ton! I do think in some situations the sony mirrorless camera have a slight edge in extremely dark situations, but I just love the color better on the P4K's.
You are absolutely right, period 🙂 Although there is the EOS M with magic lantern. This is my step in between dslr and cinema camera. Learning so much now, that I hope to benefit from when I get myself a bmcc4k. Supposedly way easier to work on and more convenient in the Workflow. I liked your video. Thanks
It's so much easier to work on and honestly the footage that comes out of it is so good. If you do get one be sure to check out our video manual on it if you have any questions --> ruclips.net/video/H0V7GQAa-vc/видео.html
Thanks for making this great video! Last year I bought a second hand GH4 and I'm very happy with it, even shooting low budget full features! But I've always wondered if the BMPCC4k should have been a better buy instead. Now I'm sure there's room for both of them!
I just put out my first short film on RUclips that was shot on the BMPCC4K.. I promisseeee it's great for it's price. I can see myself using it for the next few years for sure.
Thanks for saying this man. I find myself so bugged about oh does this actually matter and it does go into my head sometimes. But, literally every camera is pretty great now and the Pocket 4k is perfect in its niche.
im stopping at 4k...purley based on storage and work flow, in 2020 I got a lumix gx8, bmpcc and a hacked gh2 I'm thinking about the bmpcc4k because I like the image and options plus all my lens are mtf. i9 get what I need .
Great video with many good points! However, I wish you had said something about flange distance of MFT system which makes BMPCC4K very versatile when it comes to vintage lenses. For instance, I use a lot Zeiss Contax G lenses, which is something you cannot do with the Pocket 6K or other Canon mount cameras. Even with a cheap chinese MFT - M42 speedbooster I can get great footage with old M42 lenses. I think one reason why old lenses work so well with the Pocket 4K is due its crop factor and sensor size. Many old lenses are quite soft on edges, some also having scratches and other flaws, but because the Pocket 4K uses only a portion of the surface the results are great.
Ah! Yeah, you're right! It's always so hard to cover everything on a camera like this. So versatile. I have yet to try out some vintage lenses but I really do want to at some point. Any you recommend? 2
oh sweet! Glad you liked the video. Was just jabbing a good bit of fun at everyone I mentioned in the thumbnails so glad you didn't take it as an attack haha
I wish people would realise that real filmmakers are not picky. They choose to learn their craft before upgrading every 6 months to a new camera. Skill, knowing composition & working with light even with just using an HD camera will always win over a novice with no skills using a 6K camera. Same thing with guitar players, they want the latest pedals, newest guitar, but get an old player with a beat up hunk of guitar whose been playing for years and he'll floor the kid with the shiny pedals.
I was listening while working and I'll have to watch it again... :o . I bought a Nikon D70 but then found out that it only does 4 minute clips @ 4K and the clips don't quite sync up. My question is can my lenses for the Nikon be used on the BMPCC4K? And if so would an adapter be needed and if so what would be the best affordable adapter for it? Thanks for you review.
It certainly is.. all of today’s cameras will be great for the next 5/6 years … invest in good glass. I’ll actually invest in this rather than 6k … simply because of the mount … you can adapt it to anything. EF can’t do that. If they put a RF mount on the 6k pro that would make it more viable.
I really enjoyed your perspective and benefitted from it - thank you. I just purchased this camera to make music videos and step up from video cameras. Can you guide me to your recommended place/site/tutorials for learning how to do it right - how to learn the basic skills you consider essential? Thanks again.
Hi. Thanks for this video! I have a question about autofocus. As i understand this camera doesn’t have it. So what about situation when you are walking with camera on gimbal and doing moves left/right or other. Do you need constantly correct focus by touhing camera screen by finger ot is it keeping focus generallly on its own?
Typically you would use follow focus equipment on a camera like this if you were using it on a gimbal. It's all manual which takes some getting used to but you do have a lot more control.
Hello, I'm just about to pull the trigger on a BMPCC 4K. I believe I will need a Speed Booster. Do you have a video on the Viltrox vs the Metta bones? Thanks
The "Is the Pocket 4k Worth It in 20__" videos are perfect examples of the "creatives" bubble that so many RUclipsrs live in. In the constant battle for attention people have to create these kind of videos to try to find some way to stay relevant. And sure, one or two people doing such videos is perfectly fine. But you just know that if one person does it on youtube, then 50 others will also. Because people need to maintain their views. It's important for the audience to realize that these RUclipsrs make up a tiny, tiny, TINY portion of camera operators, and they all operate in relatively the same way and have the same agenda. It's not bad. It's just a very small part of the wider field of videography and photography. You'll get people who talk about specs and whatever. The simple truth is that the bmpcc 4k is a fantastic camera. Shoot, just BRAW and the user interface on the body alone are enough reason to take a good look at this camera. I want the 6k pro. But realistically every time I take a hard look at getting it It's hard to justify it when the 4k works so well and produces such great results. Look at it this way: The BMPCC 4k is a great camera at a great price. It's also a great camera for really testing yourself. Because if you can't get good results out of this camera, at this price, then you can safely say that you have a deficiency in skill and need to work on improving. It's got nothing to do with gear.
Clickbaity as it may be, it’s a legit question. Technology moves fast and when something eventually comes out that does everything better than the P4K for less money, the answer will be “no, it’s not still worth it”
I used to use the a7iii exclusively and then switched over. You'll lose things like autofocus and things like that but I think it's better. Personal opinion based on what I do
Hi! I'm about to buy a second hand bmpcc 4k this week. Do you have any recommendations what should I check on the unit before I purchase it? Thank you!!
@@FrameVoyager I understand i still couldnt decide which one to buy.. i just want to film nice trap videos for my bro haha.. and sometimes i see the 4k movies and think its perfect and the 6k maybe to sharp for me or something.. and i think for the perfect vibe i should take the 4k but i am really not sure
I do have a few issues with some of your statements or omissions. BMPCC 4K with an EF speed booster is not more expensive than the 6K. ZCAM E2-M4 is a worthy competitor for not much more. ZCAM E2c is significantly cheaper and arguably better for someone just starting out.
Good points! I think to me it's a if you're already that close after having to buy something for EF lenses, I would just pay the extra to get a camera compatible with my lenses. There are some issues and weird thing that can happen with those adapters at times. But your point is valid! The only reason I'd put the p4k above the Zcam is for the addition of Davinci resolve studio that come free with the p4k camera. Plus blackmagic has a bigger ecosystem, accessories, etc. Then ZCAM does hence why I'd point someone to blackmagic. That doesn't take away from the ZCAMs at all though, they are great cameras and great starter cameras as well! So I don't not agree with you, I just think the couple of extras you get with the p4k make it slightly more valuable. I forgot to mention the ZCAMs in this video, which I had originally intended too, so thanks for pushing back on it! You make really good points!
Bmpcc is only good as a beginner camera if you have filmmaking friends that are willing to help you out and teach you, but for “regular “ beginners it can be horrible first camera (i know I recently bought my second pocket 4k from a guy that’s beginner). Sure learning manual focus and all those nice settings can be good in long run, but when you’re just starting out ot can be very demotivating and can take you weeks if not month’s to be able to create something that looks nice. Beginners often buy cameras after they see nice videos captured with it and after they get the camera they expect that same quality instantly so for beginners it would be better to get regular mirrorless camera, learn to frame and plan the shot, learn to edit , learn to expose and learn the manual focus woth that camera (it is better to have option to switch between af and mf than to be stuck with mf and not be able to shoot anything until you learn to use it that way) and after some time when you get to basics and learn about settings and cameras switch to blackmagic and you will have wonderful experience, it will be easier to get good footage and that will additionally inspire you and motivate you to do filmmaking.
That would be quite interesting wouldn't it? The only thing I wonder is the cost difference for making a p4k like that. Would it start getting closer to the price of the p6k?
@@FrameVoyager It probably will get very close, or even match it. Then, the only thing that people need to consider is whether they prefer the 6K vs 4K BRAW. The P4K Pro might even make it so that ND filters are built in, just like the 6K Pro. Do you think this is possible, or would BMD never do something like this? Since the 6K Pro was released last month and the original 6K was released in August, could it be that the 4K Pro comes next month since it was originally launched in September? That would make it so that BMD still get a lot of sales from the 6K Pro before the 4K Pro is released. I would really like to buy the P4K, but the Metabones bringing the price up to surpass the P6K, and making it harder to balance on gimbals is throwing me off.
@@gregmaggi01 I don't know tbh. I'm not sure black magic design has much of a reason to upgrade the 4k to a pro. I'm not honestly sure there would be much of a market for it unless the cost of the one now drops significantly. At that point you'd almost eliminate the pocket 6k because it would essentially be the same price I would assume 🤔
@@FrameVoyager I guess that is true, but then do you think that the 4K will never get an update? Seems to me that many people still want to record 4K BRAW without crop, especially due to the 4K draining less battery and using less file storage than a 6K. Forums are always filled with people complaining about the Viltrox adapter being faulty, or the Metabones being too expensive. I'm sure BMD are aware of this, and I believe that would be the market for the new 4K! :)
@@gregmaggi01 oh for sure! I just feel like they've moved on past 4k. I could potentially see maybe like a full redesign of a 4k into something else. I would love to see it! From a business point of view, I don't know what the benefit would be for them right now.
Yes, just box it properly and let me know what dumpster you used.
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😂 indeed!
That was great. I have to burrow that one and credit you for it.
@@FrameVoyager Hello dude, I need a help, almost all the BMPCC 4K youtubers say that you should take off lens before update firmware, it is true?
@@user-wy3ng5hs3i Why bother to ask this? It's so simple to follow, why not do it just in case??
that 12 bit raw in 4k it's pretty great. the limit is only our creativity
Yep! And is there a limit to creativity?
The P4K is definitely worth it. I returned the P6K Pro after 3 weeks. I preferred the P4K work flow, smaller file size, lighter form factor for gimbal. I see my self using it for a long time.
It's definitely an amazing camera! The smaller form factor for me is what will help me keep it in my kit for a long time to come.
Excellent decision my friend. I came to the same conclusion
I feel like the 6k was made to address some of the issues with the 4K and it gives slightly shaper 4K footage. It's not worth it if you're already invested in a 4K.
@PRIVATE The last thing holding me of from buying a Blackmagic Pocket Pocket Camera are the file sizes. i would have to spend very much money on huge ssds in my pc or is it not that bad?
This is the very reason why I purchased the P4K. I usually shoot on rented cameras and never really entertain the idea of owning a proper camera coz they change so fast nowadays. I usually have a recce camera on me all the time like a tiny Sony a6500 and a Leica for stills. But when the P4K released I had to buy it if not for regular use then for my personal collection coz I immediately sensed a longevity about it that I had previously felt with the Canon 5D and the Canon t2i back in the late 2000s. It's so basic that there are very little features that will be outdated. No bettering the autofocus coz there isn't any, no bettering the monitor coz you use an external one anyway, no bettering the battery coz you got that v-mount juice. Just a bare minimum camera with good colours and decent dynamic range.
For sure! It's such a unique camera and really most blackmagic cameras have a feel of having longevity to them. More so then other DSLR or mirror less cameras
The MFT mount is the best thing about this camera. No other mount is so flexible, so usefully and creatively adaptable to so many different moods.
Seriously! It's so underestimated
agree ! yesterday i used mine with an optimo Dp 30-80 ! and it made it worth it!
The fact it gives you the BlackMagic DaVinci Resolve for free also makes it great!!
Forgot that fact in this video. Great camera but also gives you the software to edit free too. And it's high class software at that
The camera is basically 1k with the $299 as a cost for DaVinci. Which results the $1,299
Cant anyone dowload resolve 17 now for free?
@@Soldier_Sean I'm not sure if it's for free but if you have the software SD card and the activation key you can update it.
@@Soldier_Sean yep but that's the light version. you get the studio version when you buy a bmpcc.
The most honest video on this topic. I've always considered that this camera could still be very relevant in the next 4-5 years
I recently bought this and coming from the dslr world, it forced me to remember everything I had learn in film school. Now that I’ve learned to control it, it’s a pleasure to work with.
It really is just a nice camera to work with. But yeah, really wished I learned on this camera!
All I can say is touché - and with davinci resolve 17s color managed workflow it is easier than ever to get a good starting point for grading. BMD has continuously added value to the camera with braw, updated color science etc. I love it.
BMD is really on to something with their cameras. If they wanted too they probably could have charged significantly more for a number of their cameras but they don't. Really a much wider doorway for potential cinematographers or video people to acquire good cameras that aren't at RED or Arri pricing.
It's April 2022 and I'm still using the PCC4K with the Metabones XL. I'll still be using it years into the future. It was the camera that we purchased as a B camera to our old Ursa Mini 4.6K that quickly became our A camera and for me, remains my A camera to this day despite also owning the PCC6K Pro.
I swing hammers for a living, and have no biz talking about filmmaking but somehow this P4K and BMD makes my videos look somewhat professional. Even the stills delivered on social media! Incredibly good for amateurs like myself. It's a joy to use.
Sweet! And yeah, I always tell people these are such great cameras to train people on how to film because the UI is so intuitive!
@@FrameVoyager love it, thanks for the reply
I come from a 5dm2 and i upgrade two years ago to the bmpcc4k a lot of work done very well. Very happy with this model
It has it's issues, but when you figure them out it really is such a great camera.
I use my BM4K for Doc, and video production and it has paid for itself many times over. Very easy to use and with DaVinci it is a dream, like FCP 7 came back to life.
That's awesome! BRAW codecs make it so easy to edit too. I have more problems editing gopro files then BRAW. I travel everywhere with mine and it's just such good quality in a compact design!
I can't think of many situations a GH4 wouldn't be good enough. That camera still outdoes a lot of newer cameras and was so good there was zero reason to get a GH5. So yea, if a 7 year old camera holds up, there's no reason a bmpcc4k wouldn't.
Oh, for sure! I think people ditch cameras to quickly for no good reason and buy the next big thing. You should always be intentional about why you purchase new equipment and what it will help you do work wise, not just because the specs are better. The pocket 4k will be good for a long time
Actually got a BMPCC4K on order (I'm a broadcast cameraman) to learn how to use it as a starter cinema camera for my own projects. Fortunately it was on special offer (came with a free battery grip). Great video.
Sweet! They are such great cameras
Yesterday I received my brand spanking new bmpcc 4k, a Meike cine MFT lense set and some basic peripheral. Some will probably question my choice in 2023 but I want to learn the craft on a brilliant platform. Secondly I have found great inspiration and knowledge on Frame Voyager so a BIG shoutout to you for your effort and your brilliant work making my decision a qualified one - and to Mark Bone, Jacques Crafford, Of Two Lands, Film Riot, Christopher Michael Law and few others. Your emphasis on bmpcc 4k was not the deciding factor per se, but played a big role in my decision on ecosystem. Thank you once again.
/Per (Denmark/Europe)
Of course it's worth it, BMPCC4k is better than any mirrorless camera, better than Sony fx3 and Canon c70. At least as a camera for a budget movie.
I think so too!
I mean, even the OG BMPCC is still an insanely good cinema camera in 2021. So the pocket4k will live on for many years.
For sure! They even have a great shelf life as Live Streaming cameras too!
The OG has such a good organic film look, which the newer ones don't really have.
@@baddogentertainment6960 literally no digital camera ever did it better
To me even the first bmpcc with lumix lens is still worth it. It's amazing in the right hands. I'd rather concentrate more on the story telling and edits side than gear requirements.
Same! Story over everything in my opinion
All the local media companies in my area are shooting on the pocket 4k over their RED camera set ups because of the great looking footage , size, and cost of overall production. I'm getting a second one and it pairs well with my EVO II Pro. Most of the TV stuff I do release in 1080 anyway and 6k to reframe sounds like a poorly planned shot if you have to punch in ALL the time.
the punch-in can be part of the plan if you're flying completley solo, gives you access to limited fake pan and tilt (arguably platform and truck would be closer terms) without needing to buy expensive remote-controlled sliders and such.
At the moment... I still like the P4K over the P6K. Pretty much just because I can get really close to the full-frame Vista Vision look on the 4K with an XL speedbooster. It's only a 1.2x crop! Hopefully we'll see that cool drop-in Speedbooster for the 6K soon.
I've heard a lot of people say that like the image quality on the p4k better than the 6k. I'm getting the 6k pro but like you doubt it will completely replace my p4ks
Buying this camera Tomorrow as my first. This video sold me after ive been thinking about it for about a week. These are insane shots. Absolutely insane detail i love it
Sweet! Have fun filming with it!
This overall theme of this video rings so true. For the entire 4 years of owning this camera, I am consistently amazed by the results.
Lately, my stupid brain is has been in a bloody war, between buying a Meike Cine Lens Set...or upgrade.
Thanks for solidifying my decision to stick with this baby for a bit longer.
I've Just bought the BMPCC 4k and i'm loving It! Cinema texture, easy-operationed and great features to make cinema. Thanks for sharing vídeos About this camera. This Is helping me a lot
No problem! Glad it was a helpful video for you! It's such a great camera
Pedro did you get yours in second hand or brand new? And where did you buy from? I am scared I don’t buy a fake one
Agreed! I have the BMPCC 4K, GH5 and recently bought the BMPCC OG because even that old cam is still super awesome.
My profession is film and video work, and I really don't need any other camera and cannot see why I would for a long time.
Totally agree!
Still worth it. I have been buying them for 1000 dollars on ebay, used. I am setting up a studio with the ATEM mini PRO, using all 4k cams for livestreaming and multi-cam shows.
smart man! That's what I envision these cameras becoming one day is really good live streaming or studio cameras.
I'm still rocking out the OG black Magic Pocket Cinema camera....
I'm waiting and going to buy a new camera later on.
Looking into this camera now. Checked out your video first, thank you!
No problem! Have a ton of resources on this camera so let me know if you ever have any questions!
I saw the title and was triggerd...haha
But nice video!!^^
😂 that's good! Appreciate it though!
That dynamic range go crazy at 4:50
oh yeah!
Thanks for that. I'm considering it for a while now, and I guess I'll go for it sooner than later. Coming from mft (at least partial) and owning mft cinema lenses, and wanting to learn how to properly operate a cinema camera just for the sake of it, I guess it's the best choice. Especially given the shelf price in comparison to hard-laboured OG BMPCCs.... I own a Lumix G9 (among others), and I really like the quality it gives me. But I feel the limits without even knowing them, I wish to have more direct control than the ones the G9 offers...
And, just for a good measure: who - at least sane people - ever asks if a Leica M-A or Arriflex or Jaguar D-Type is still worth it in 2021? If something was great for the purpose it was made for it is still great after a century. The question should be: does it meet the specs I need now?
The BMPCC 4k still produces a framerate more than 6 times higher than RUclips compression. Most people don't even use 4k screens. And a beautiful image will stay a beautiful image. Otherwise, we should burn every movie shot before Arri Alexa. And I don't think that anyone considers that.
I think it's not bad to ask yourself if some piece of gear is worth it. Technologies advance quite fast and prices usually don't drop that much, so if you are looking for a 3 yo camera, it's very likely that other camera replaced it and not for a lot more money. I'm not saying that 3 yo camera isn't still useful, but you have to constantly check that you get the best for your budget.
Oh for sure! I just think for this specific camera, kind of hard to argue on the costs of it. You could have everything with it for less than the price of a sonya7iii body. It's an enigma of a camera for sure
Well put! Until people begin to understand this is not a hybrid camera and see this camera for what it is, they will never get it. This is a cinematic camera intended for feature films, Documentaries or interviews, it is a brain with some perks, just like when purchasing a RED or an ARRI, you only get the brain and have to rig it out in order for it to function, the Pocket Cinema Camera 4K and 6k is the same with the exception of the nice screen.
Exactly! It always just comes down to understanding a camera and what it was made for and how you can craft it for your own needs,
Man, I love my bmpcc 4k.
Same!
It’s such an awesome camera! Whether you rig out or put on a Gimbal, it just looks beautiful when color graded. I have been using this over my Sony camera lately. It’s just fun to use, more organic. False color is the number one feature for me. Second would be peaking. My zhiyun crane 2s using the transmount transmitter is really cool. I can control everything from the phone.
It really is! I have used Sony a lot and I've always liked the colors out of blackmagic better. Sony for me is when i want to get a specific look
@@FrameVoyager There is lot to be said for 12 bit over 8 bit and 10bit. My sony is a A7III and I have a GH5. I have been having way more fun being intentional on m pocket 4k. Its such a great tool. fun, fun, fun....
For sure! I have to say, I'm always more excited to see how footage turned out then I am on my a7iii. Keep on filming 👊
Super honest video and essentially reflects my views. Ultimately if you are running into problems that are holding you back, THEN it's worth upgrading the camera, otherwise buy more lights or just save and rent, only way to improve ones content.
I started just 2 years ago and while typically one could say that lack of AF, IS is going to make life difficult and you will battle against the camera the end goal is just so rewarding. So totally agree, great beginners camera with so much flexibility.
If you need to be out in the rough and doing let say sports stuff then it's less ideal to get the Pockets but still doable.
Love the camera even for its pleathora of shortcomings.
PS subbed!
Great comments and exactly my thoughts as well! It really is such a great camera even with some of its issues. I have an URSA G2 and a 6K Pro but it's still a camera I will rely on just because of its size and flexibility.
Appreciate the sub! Hope to see you around the channel!
God if anything I miss the BMPCC original
Those were awesome cameras weren't they? Such a good starting concept
I just posted a video shooting anamorphic with the original BMPCC. Really a nice image!
Im glad I still got both
Honestly, the Bmpcc cameras look better than most cameras in terrible lighting because of the amount of data they record. I'm not saying we should not light and frame correctly, but more data is always more good.
I mean take a look at some of the 9x7 test footage. It's fucking gorgeous. 10GB/s.
Yes i know it's a speciality camera, but the sheer amount of data it can record makes everything feel so damn lifelike.
Oh, I totally agree. And honestly, if you know how to work the ISO levels correctly in low light situations it's actually a pretty easy cleanup noise wise in post and you can get really good shots with it. The bitrate setting too, if you fully understand those it helps a ton! I do think in some situations the sony mirrorless camera have a slight edge in extremely dark situations, but I just love the color better on the P4K's.
MARCH 2022 - Still worth it!!! Prices even lower now! Just got one for €600
well done mate, i could not agree with you more, this from a BMPCC 4K owner/user
You are absolutely right, period 🙂
Although there is the EOS M with magic lantern. This is my step in between dslr and cinema camera. Learning so much now, that I hope to benefit from when I get myself a bmcc4k. Supposedly way easier to work on and more convenient in the Workflow.
I liked your video. Thanks
It's so much easier to work on and honestly the footage that comes out of it is so good. If you do get one be sure to check out our video manual on it if you have any questions --> ruclips.net/video/H0V7GQAa-vc/видео.html
I had my 4K for about 7 months now and I love it.
Sweet! What did you use before?
@@FrameVoyager This my first camera
Slick where did you buy yours?
Well-spoken. It's more a money issue...if you got the clams, great. But if not, this is a great instrument.
Thanks for making this great video! Last year I bought a second hand GH4 and I'm very happy with it, even shooting low budget full features! But I've always wondered if the BMPCC4k should have been a better buy instead. Now I'm sure there's room for both of them!
Always room for another camera I say!
Where did you get the second hand camera?
@@TimoRoseNDFilms Facebook marketplace
I have a set of SLR Magic primes and they don't mount tightly to the camera. Under a focus motor the lens jiggles.
I just put out my first short film on RUclips that was shot on the BMPCC4K..
I promisseeee it's great for it's price. I can see myself using it for the next few years for sure.
Title is total "Click bait"... So I subscribed. Appreciate the thoughtful approach to a youtube trope.
Oh, totally is 😂 it was all part of my give a playful jab at everyone else to disguise me making one too haha. Appreciate it though!
Literally a camera will be released and 2 months later someone will make a “is it still worth it?” Video
Exactly! The hard thing these videos really do work well in the algorithm.
Thanks for saying this man. I find myself so bugged about oh does this actually matter and it does go into my head sometimes. But, literally every camera is pretty great now and the Pocket 4k is perfect in its niche.
Give this camera and DZO Linglung 20-70 mm cine lens to Indie filmaker and you have a film!
Absolutely! I just talked with some guys last week that shot a film on the original BMPCC.
Yes its good, but the CDNG formate has been removed.....I'd prefer getting the BMCC 2.5k
im stopping at 4k...purley based on storage and work flow, in 2020 I got a lumix gx8, bmpcc and a hacked gh2 I'm thinking about the bmpcc4k because I like the image and options plus all my lens are mtf. i9 get what I need .
Smart! Yeah, I'm moving into the realm of 6k and it's so much more information. Going to be interesting to see how much it uses up my hard drives
Great video with many good points! However, I wish you had said something about flange distance of MFT system which makes BMPCC4K very versatile when it comes to vintage lenses. For instance, I use a lot Zeiss Contax G lenses, which is something you cannot do with the Pocket 6K or other Canon mount cameras. Even with a cheap chinese MFT - M42 speedbooster I can get great footage with old M42 lenses. I think one reason why old lenses work so well with the Pocket 4K is due its crop factor and sensor size. Many old lenses are quite soft on edges, some also having scratches and other flaws, but because the Pocket 4K uses only a portion of the surface the results are great.
Ah! Yeah, you're right! It's always so hard to cover everything on a camera like this. So versatile. I have yet to try out some vintage lenses but I really do want to at some point. Any you recommend? 2
How much Is the crop factor if you directly adopt them to the m43 mount?
M42 adapts to ef
Thanks for the vid -- I agree with you -- this cam is a great beginner cam.
It really is a camera that will be good for a long time!
I'll keep my pocket for the next 10 years..
Same probably. Honestly good cameras for livestreaming!
Same here !
Really great eye candy shots 😍Love the video and your thoughts man! Thanks 🙏
Haha appreciate it!!
Love the video!!!! Seen my thumbnail in your pile of thumbnails and that it was super cool!! Great talking points.
oh sweet! Glad you liked the video. Was just jabbing a good bit of fun at everyone I mentioned in the thumbnails so glad you didn't take it as an attack haha
@@FrameVoyager All is good I love it!!! Happy see a fellow creator getting out good video and helping others learn.Keep it up! Subbed! 👍🏾
I wish people would realise that real filmmakers are not picky. They choose to learn their craft before upgrading every 6 months to a new camera. Skill, knowing composition & working with light even with just using an HD camera will always win over a novice with no skills using a 6K camera. Same thing with guitar players, they want the latest pedals, newest guitar, but get an old player with a beat up hunk of guitar whose been playing for years and he'll floor the kid with the shiny pedals.
Exactly! Great points
Hey man, first time viewer. Love the intro, music and questions. Thanks!!
Appreciate it! Hope to see you around the channel again!
Heyy algorithm... Come and Grab this video...!
😂😂 that's the goal 😉 and to poke a little fun at everyone else!
THANK YOU VERY MUCH THIS WAS GREAT!
No problem at all!
I was listening while working and I'll have to watch it again... :o . I bought a Nikon D70 but then found out that it only does 4 minute clips @ 4K and the clips don't quite sync up. My question is can my lenses for the Nikon be used on the BMPCC4K? And if so would an adapter be needed and if so what would be the best affordable adapter for it? Thanks for you review.
It certainly is.. all of today’s cameras will be great for the next 5/6 years … invest in good glass. I’ll actually invest in this rather than 6k … simply because of the mount … you can adapt it to anything. EF can’t do that.
If they put a RF mount on the 6k pro that would make it more viable.
i agree with you
I really enjoyed your perspective and benefitted from it - thank you. I just purchased this camera to make music videos and step up from video cameras. Can you guide me to your recommended place/site/tutorials for learning how to do it right - how to learn the basic skills you consider essential? Thanks again.
my question is, can I use this camera with just a gimbal and maybe an external battery? cause I wouldn't be able to afford a whole rig.
Hi. Thanks for this video! I have a question about autofocus. As i understand this camera doesn’t have it. So what about
situation when you are walking with camera on gimbal and doing moves left/right or other. Do you need constantly correct focus by touhing camera screen by finger ot is it keeping focus generallly on its own?
Typically you would use follow focus equipment on a camera like this if you were using it on a gimbal. It's all manual which takes some getting used to but you do have a lot more control.
Hell, even spending copious amounts of time scouring the internet for a BMPCC OG is well worth it...
Agreed! 😂
Hello, I'm just about to pull the trigger on a BMPCC 4K. I believe I will need a Speed Booster. Do you have a video on the Viltrox vs the Metta bones? Thanks
Not yet but that's a good one to put on the list to make! Viltrox has some hazing issues with some lenses though
What were the menu settings to get the look of the clips in this video
For which clips?
The "Is the Pocket 4k Worth It in 20__" videos are perfect examples of the "creatives" bubble that so many RUclipsrs live in. In the constant battle for attention people have to create these kind of videos to try to find some way to stay relevant. And sure, one or two people doing such videos is perfectly fine. But you just know that if one person does it on youtube, then 50 others will also. Because people need to maintain their views.
It's important for the audience to realize that these RUclipsrs make up a tiny, tiny, TINY portion of camera operators, and they all operate in relatively the same way and have the same agenda. It's not bad. It's just a very small part of the wider field of videography and photography. You'll get people who talk about specs and whatever.
The simple truth is that the bmpcc 4k is a fantastic camera. Shoot, just BRAW and the user interface on the body alone are enough reason to take a good look at this camera. I want the 6k pro. But realistically every time I take a hard look at getting it It's hard to justify it when the 4k works so well and produces such great results. Look at it this way: The BMPCC 4k is a great camera at a great price. It's also a great camera for really testing yourself. Because if you can't get good results out of this camera, at this price, then you can safely say that you have a deficiency in skill and need to work on improving. It's got nothing to do with gear.
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It's still good 👍
thank you, Norm from Cheers!
Who's Norm from cheers? haha
Very well explained, thank you from a new subscriber.
Appreciate it! Hope to see you around the channel again!
@@FrameVoyager Have no doubt!
Great Video!! This is still a great value camera.
Appreciate it! And it really is!
Thank you
No problem!
It will still be worth it in 10 years from now. Yes,it is that good.
For Sure!
Clickbaity as it may be, it’s a legit question. Technology moves fast and when something eventually comes out that does everything better than the P4K for less money, the answer will be “no, it’s not still worth it”
Oh, for sure! I've just found it comical the amount of them. Plus it helped me disguise making one too 😂
@@FrameVoyager Well played
This camera is still 100% worth it in 2022
Oh, absolutely! Still film with it all the time
Thanks!!
hope it will do something good for music videos and wedding ceremony ,coz am gonna have soon in our studio ,is this better than a7iii?
I used to use the a7iii exclusively and then switched over. You'll lose things like autofocus and things like that but I think it's better. Personal opinion based on what I do
@@FrameVoyager thank u so much its ok with autofocus
The OG pocket is still worth it. The 4k with 7.3 is really worth it.
Agree! Yeah that update is sweet
is this camera valid in a world where the fx30 exists?
Hi! I'm about to buy a second hand bmpcc 4k this week. Do you have any recommendations what should I check on the unit before I purchase it? Thank you!!
Definitley check the sensor and the glass covering it to make sure there is no mold and test all of the ports on the camera too! A lot of issues there
@@FrameVoyager hey dude! I actually already got the camera 😂 and you were right, its awesoooome! Thank you for your videos! Big help 🙏
@@AdamDumaguin where did you get yours at and how much?
Very nice Video
A lot of time I prefer the P4k, especially when I'm traveling. Not sure why tbh. But that 6K Pro I do find myself reaching for more often
@@FrameVoyager I understand i still couldnt decide which one to buy.. i just want to film nice trap videos for my bro haha.. and sometimes i see the 4k movies and think its perfect and the 6k maybe to sharp for me or something.. and i think for the perfect vibe i should take the 4k but i am really not sure
Even the OG BMPCC can still do a decent work. Why not keep BMPCC4K for decades? Please be advised that most Hollywood movie were shot by 2k
You must be mistaken... I'm almost certain that they filmed 2001 Space Odyssey at 22K
@@FrameVoyager 22k？which camera?
haha I'm just kidding!
very well said.
Appreciate it!
I do have a few issues with some of your statements or omissions.
BMPCC 4K with an EF speed booster is not more expensive than the 6K.
ZCAM E2-M4 is a worthy competitor for not much more.
ZCAM E2c is significantly cheaper and arguably better for someone just starting out.
Good points! I think to me it's a if you're already that close after having to buy something for EF lenses, I would just pay the extra to get a camera compatible with my lenses. There are some issues and weird thing that can happen with those adapters at times. But your point is valid!
The only reason I'd put the p4k above the Zcam is for the addition of Davinci resolve studio that come free with the p4k camera. Plus blackmagic has a bigger ecosystem, accessories, etc. Then ZCAM does hence why I'd point someone to blackmagic. That doesn't take away from the ZCAMs at all though, they are great cameras and great starter cameras as well! So I don't not agree with you, I just think the couple of extras you get with the p4k make it slightly more valuable. I forgot to mention the ZCAMs in this video, which I had originally intended too, so thanks for pushing back on it! You make really good points!
Great Vid!!!! Subscribed!! BMPCC 4K user
Appreciate it! Welcome to the Channel! Let us know if you have any questions!
Bmpcc is only good as a beginner camera if you have filmmaking friends that are willing to help you out and teach you, but for “regular “ beginners it can be horrible first camera (i know I recently bought my second pocket 4k from a guy that’s beginner).
Sure learning manual focus and all those nice settings can be good in long run, but when you’re just starting out ot can be very demotivating and can take you weeks if not month’s to be able to create something that looks nice. Beginners often buy cameras after they see nice videos captured with it and after they get the camera they expect that same quality instantly so for beginners it would be better to get regular mirrorless camera, learn to frame and plan the shot, learn to edit , learn to expose and learn the manual focus woth that camera (it is better to have option to switch between af and mf than to be stuck with mf and not be able to shoot anything until you learn to use it that way) and after some time when you get to basics and learn about settings and cameras switch to blackmagic and you will have wonderful experience, it will be easier to get good footage and that will additionally inspire you and motivate you to do filmmaking.
So what camera would you recommend for me that does the same job as black magic 4k?
@@TimoRoseNDFilms maby sigma fp
On point👊!
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Seeing the 4k on that ballmount terrifies me
You're not the first to be terrified by it 😂
Excellent
Appreciate it!
What about the possibility of a BMPCC 4K Pro with a Super35 sensor to eliminate the need of a speedbooster?
That would be quite interesting wouldn't it? The only thing I wonder is the cost difference for making a p4k like that. Would it start getting closer to the price of the p6k?
@@FrameVoyager It probably will get very close, or even match it. Then, the only thing that people need to consider is whether they prefer the 6K vs 4K BRAW. The P4K Pro might even make it so that ND filters are built in, just like the 6K Pro.
Do you think this is possible, or would BMD never do something like this? Since the 6K Pro was released last month and the original 6K was released in August, could it be that the 4K Pro comes next month since it was originally launched in September? That would make it so that BMD still get a lot of sales from the 6K Pro before the 4K Pro is released.
I would really like to buy the P4K, but the Metabones bringing the price up to surpass the P6K, and making it harder to balance on gimbals is throwing me off.
@@gregmaggi01 I don't know tbh. I'm not sure black magic design has much of a reason to upgrade the 4k to a pro. I'm not honestly sure there would be much of a market for it unless the cost of the one now drops significantly. At that point you'd almost eliminate the pocket 6k because it would essentially be the same price I would assume 🤔
@@FrameVoyager I guess that is true, but then do you think that the 4K will never get an update? Seems to me that many people still want to record 4K BRAW without crop, especially due to the 4K draining less battery and using less file storage than a 6K.
Forums are always filled with people complaining about the Viltrox adapter being faulty, or the Metabones being too expensive. I'm sure BMD are aware of this, and I believe that would be the market for the new 4K! :)
@@gregmaggi01 oh for sure! I just feel like they've moved on past 4k. I could potentially see maybe like a full redesign of a 4k into something else. I would love to see it! From a business point of view, I don't know what the benefit would be for them right now.
My main camera is the OG. But I’m poor.
I love cheese . I know its nothing to do with the OG bmpcc or the bmpcc 4k .I'm just saying tho
I like a good Australian white cheddar
It hurt me in the long run and no here I am
It is worth it for sure 💯
Great price, great features, great footage... What else could you want?
@@FrameVoyager a great battery life...
@@phil1353 😂😂😂 for sure!
2:40 what did you say here? It's like for two seconds you spoke in a future language ha ha
😂😂 I think it's something I'll only understand in 2026
the original is still worth it. ofcourse the 4k is worth it if you can afford.