Hmm question: instead of asking if I can use x470 with Ryzen 3 (having upgraded to Ryzen 2 from FX in Febuary), what Ryzen 3 Processors SHOULD I NOT RUN on x470?
@@JonManProductions You can probably run any of them. Only limitation will be the boards VRM capacity for overclocking etc. so a 3700x will be perfectly fine, a 3950x may be limited with overclocking depending on your X470 VRM capacity. Still probably ok on air cooling anyway.
Man, motherboards are the one thing I'm really bad at in terms of understanding whether it's good or not. I need someone like you to go shopping for me.
Oh yeah I bet the audience crossover is quite high between the two channels. I subbed to GN because of the teardown videos. I then found BZ from some video here, prob a X370 mobo analysis video.
@@React2Quick I liked his summary of which 4xx boards to buy, it helps me recommend boards that can deliver sufficient power output without overheating :)
Would be great to hear from Buildzoid which of the cheapest X570 boards are the best or which he could recommend. That could be a challenge for him as all the high-end boards should be of high quality anyway. But the volume and consumer interest should be highest with the cheaper boards. :)
I love this! I've never watched something like this before. I have been updating myself on the nitty gritty details of PC parts recently, as I haven't built a machine in years. And even though I dropped out of electrical engineering school (for the time being, avoiding debt), I find that I understand most of what he is talking about. Very enjoyable video to listen to while I manage VM allocations with an infuriatingly slow management console.
I like to see entry level boards analyzed because that's what most people afford. It would be cool if you could design a score: (does it have a LED debug +1/-1, can it support 12 cores, 16 cores +1/+2, etc...). Basically scoring sheet that can make mobos comparable once they are reviewed.
Agreed. I want to know: 1. Which chips will it support best 2. What issues will it have 3. What's my likely outcome with overclocking CPU, Memory, etc. 4. What important features are there present? Missing?
Just buy a X470/B450 motherboard instead. If you dont need PCIE 4.0 (99% of people have no use for it now) then just get last generations board. Get a higher end board with the features you want and you are good to go for about the same price as an "entry level" x570 board. Keep in mind an entry level x570 board will be $175 or more and will skimp on features to meet the price. For that money you could get a good midrange/high end x470 motherboard and still have all the fancy features and a quality VRM for the new high core chips.
@@JimmyTheSaintDailyVideos Yes I'd also be interested in X470 performance and if they can handle 12, 16 cores. Because I don't really need PCIE4 indeed.
Don't you know sub $200 boards are for us scrubs and poor people now just as $450 or $500 GPUs are mainstream now! This guy said so in his q&a video yesterday that the prices of AMD's navi cards are completely fine just as Nvidia's rtx cards are priced fine I guess.
@@JimmyTheSaintDailyVideos genuine question. Will a decent B450 board be able to get the most out of zen2 8 core processors? No overclocking just stock performance (If I can OC sure but not required) I have the msi B450 carbon ac pro board running a ryzen 2700x and maybe not right away but after a year or two when prices drop enough, I would like to update to either the 3700x or 3800x on the same board. How about the 12 core part on a B450 board? is it going too far?
BIOS flashback is also useful to downgrade the BIOS or to resurrect the motherboard in case of unsuccessful BIOS flashing, which happened a lot with the latest BIOS for Crosshair VI boards.
I know I'm late as could be, but just want to say thank you for giving an in depth look at this. Thanks for breaking it down by the cpu cores, I really needed that.
My advice which you asked for at the end of the video would be to invest more into the conclusion. Summarize the major features and inputs/outputs of the board, how well those are implemented, some comparison to other boards and making a value proposition for the board. Is it a good value vs its competitors? That sort of thing. Also an actual temperature measurement of the VRM's etc while the board is in operation would be VERY helpful. Perhaps testing some memory timings and making sure the thing boots alright if you can start getting your hands on some of these. I'm curious about how different the temps on this are vs the msi gaming edge wifi that Hardware Unboxed tested.
NTMFS4C024N's RDS(on) is 2.8 mohm at 25 deg C. At 80 deg C RDS(on) is around 3.6 mohm. That's called positive RDS(on) temperature coefficient. This can get you in a lot of troubles if you don't calculate the cooling solution properly.
@@alizee7548 Good choice! I got the MSI MPG x570 GAMING EDGE WIFI board and I love it! Installed my Ryzen 7 3700x and it worked on first boot with 0 issues. I also installed 16GB 3200mhz RAM hit the XMB button and boom, was fully up and running really quickly. People also talk about the heat on the VRM's and in a mid size atx case with 2 case fans (1 intake, 1 exhaust) and a Evo 212 Black Edition CPU cooler, they stay under 63C during intense gaming and heavy video editing and in the low 50's on idle! Really happy as I aimed for a high performance, but no trouble build. Haven't tested how much this changes with OC, but at stock it's definitely fine.
PipSqueak Longplays they sell out really fast! I was literally about to place my order twice. Sold out twice in a row. I ended up ordering a MSi tomohawk max it’s a bit more budget friendly
Low end by X570 standards. These boards only cost about $150 now, so are a great option for anyone who wants a load of PCIe 4.0 lanes with a Ryzen 5 or 7.
The vrm heatsinks appear to have widely spaced fins, which means very little pressure is needed to push air through it. The exhaust fan behind it and the one above the other set should be enough to pass air through the heatsinks, making them very efficient.
Nice , this is what i wanted to see . A low end analysis , and it looks allright . Up to 12 cores is fine , cause the 16 core is getting too expensive to consider a low end board anyway .
So does the increased cost of x570 motherboards negate the price to performance gains of Ryzen 3000 over most Coffee Lake processors? The better question would be, will ryzen 3000 run at full capacity on older am4 boards?
The extreme cost of the 9900k and a high end Z390 board to accompany it pretty much negates this argument, although the $50-$100 might ruin the value proposition compared to other ryzen parts, especially those on x470/b450.
The security flaws and needed mitigations negate the theoretical performance benefits of Coffee Lake over Zen 2. The only difference is X570 is the same quality/price as their Z390 counterparts.
Fantastic video, it's content like this that makes GN better than the rest. This was amazingly helpful, thank you very much for saving me the research and math.
always plug in the little piezo speaker into my motherboard. a lot of boards dont even come with one but i keep moving my old one up. those little beeps make me feel warm and fuzzy. i also usually put the reset button plug on the cmos reset header so i can just reset my cmos that way. i never use the reset button anyway
I am more interested in the sub200 ASrock and GB boards. They usually pack in other features outside of OC stuff that i like, and at a decent price. Hell, if this board is less than 200 bucks im honestly not to worried about the x570 chipset tax.
Really great to hear how the VRM would perform under different conditions (OC, different core count, etc). I love this in depth analysis even if I only get half of the info and I'm not really going to upgrade my motherboard right now. Talking about upgrades, it would be cool to revisit older X470 MB with Ryzen 3000 in mind... you know, for the guys that have an ASUS Crosshair VII Hero... like, me?
The summery here goes like this: MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS is best for up to 12 core ryzen cpu. Since it's memory config is daisy chain, the ram max per modules works best at up to 8gb.
Thank you for your reviews, havent seen anything close to this elsewhere. Plus - my gf is so much confused about the content, she doesnt even know what I'm looking at. Always fun :)
BZ has questioned the BIOS Flash button before, but it saved my butt once on an ASUS Crosshair Hero VI when a bios flash corrupted the BIOS, and would not post. The Bios Flash back worked and bot me back in biz same night no stress or grief.
@@Azzlanoid I feel you bro... I couldn't find any Information in the manual nor on MSI website, and the quick installation guide turns out to be misleading.
Love these videos, I would love to buy the 12 core maybe considering a potential future overclock as well (depending on how the 3rd gen handles it ofc, nothing drastic) and these videos are really helpful. I'll be using it for gaming and partly as a workstation for 3D rendering. I'm not very budget restricted however I would like to keep the price down as much as possible without losing important features or overinvesting into useless ones. TIL you don't need 12 phase VRM to overclock the 12 core and the fact this is supposedly sub 200 dollars is really nice...
Awesome analysis as always from Buildzoid, hope you guys can do an analysis on ITX X570 motherboards, personally i would like to see one from the ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming-ITX TB3, since im considering the change from an i5 8400 itx.
After watching this I'm convinced electrical engineers are a cross between a general doctor with a enthusiasm for a surgery and a high performance mechanical engineer with the thought process of a rocket scientist. With a double/triple Ph.D in each feild (if they had the time).
I have an MSI B350 PC MATE and the VRMs are already at their limits with my ryzen 5 1600 @1.44V. I doubt any B350 boards could handle high core ryzen 3000 CPUs well.
Just got this motherboard in and having a 3900x on the way also. I was paranoid about the power delivery of this board, but this video makes me feel better. I won't be manually overclocking, and using the stock Wraith Prism for now. Hopefully it can push enough air over the heatsinks to help out.
How is the CPU temp? I used B450 carbon gaming plus my idle in ryzen 3rd gen 3800 is 48 to 52 might not be compatible. Now I bought this X570 will it help the temp to cool down?
I doubt it's going to help those Temps drop. I can get some results for you later, but my initial observations while gaming were in the 50-55c range while playing World of Warcraft.
So...I got this board for 130$ Im running a Ryzen 3000 3.6. 6 core and don't plan to really game all that much. Maybe later. This was more of a ...I need to build a first computer build that leaves me some room for possibly upgrading it in the future. Do you like it for just that? I loved your Analysis. I typed "review" and got this. I was 15 minutes in when i Looked down and saw that this was no mere review! It's a master class analysis.
@@michaelmacdonald329 Not sure why I didn't see your question until just now, but it's a great board. I'm running a ryzen 7 5800x which is a hot chip but the board stays fairly cool. I have great airflow and max vrm temps after gaming for hours is 59c. Without too much effort I managed to get stable 3733 ram speed at 1866 fclk with 4 x 8 gb hynix djr's, and could I get 1966 fclk but I didn't like the voltages (crappy ram) so I backed off. I'm running it daily at 3600 xmp though because I need this pc to last 20 years. This board has a bug (or is at an agesa bug?) where it won't boot for me with ram/fclk at 3800/1900 or 4000/2000 but it will at any other speed but that wasn't a huge issue since I know that's a thing. It's a stable board with a great bios and I would buy it again.
Kind of hoping that the we'll get some mATX boards with the B550 boards. I noticed that most MB manufacturers abandoned the form factor, apparently. It's just the perfect size for the cases I like. Also, I don't have a need (or the money to exploit) the only feature exclusive to the new skew of boards. Currently using a msi B450M Gaming Plus (which I'm sure BZ will say is crap, lol). Guess I'll get one of the new chips for the improved single core performance and just keep my old mb.
Seeing that the x570-A pro is the same board with same vrm but different color and heatsink... do you think its good enough still? its 20€ difference here between the x570-A pro and x570 gaming plus EDIT: With amazon discount, ends up at 155€ vs the gaming plus at 189€. The other alternatives are gaming x from GA and asus prime P both at 230 € Is that or a B450 carbon pro, that imo has less features and worse VRM than this
B450 carbon pro AC is a amazing motherboard, sadly the bios is just to small for the new ryzen 3000, and they are going to lauch the the same motherboard but with bigger bios chip.
Is a x570 mobo going to be necessary if you want to use a Ryzen 5xxx series at launch or can a b450 mobo do the job? I heard that the b450 doesn't have an update ready for launch, and will get it in january '21.
" 2/22/20 " Purchased Ryzen 7 3700x + This Msi x570 gaming plus @ Micro Center for $370.- ( $30.- off Combo ) i've OverClocked my Chip to 4.5ghz @ 1.375v with a Msi Mag 240r Aio and temps stay under 73c after hour's of Processor intensive games ( Odyssey / Origins, etc ... ) i'm a Casual OverClocker butt i can highly Recommend this Motherboard for others who are Just looking for an increase in Performance without breaking the bank.
I saw your older video about using the MSI M.2 "heat shield" but this motherboard comes with a completely different design. I was hoping you would cover it in this video. Since you didn't, do you think it's worth using?
Not making excuses for the board the clear CMOS should have been on the back and the bios flashback on the edge of the board. However, if you are really desperate with the right connector (same type as used on two pin front panel) you could wire a remote switch to clear CMOS.
"WAAAAAAAY" more expensive seems to be rather subjective. I'm looking at ITX boards and the new board from Gigabyte is about $15 more than the existing X470 ITX boards.
@@user-kk4bq7mb8u yeah that's my other option, I'm kinda torn between the 2 as they are basically the same but the gaming carbon has wifi, bluetooth and better audio from what I've read.
I saw this title and went, "There's Sub-$200 X570's. I was starting to worry." My next motherboard will have a clear CMOS button. I'm tired of clearing it with a jumping.
@@Diranar851 True, and I was thinking of doing that. However, I'm going to be building a new system anyway, so I might as well get a motherboard with all the bells and whistles I can afford. I will be watching a bunch of reviews before making any final buying decisions.
I know this is well after the fact, but a video on those bio's tricks to get 4x8 memory to work well in a daisy chain topology would be really cool. If you guys already did one then don't mind me lol.
@@stonedtaka6057 wat u mean?? So is it yes or no???? I just bought this thing and it's gonna be here tomorrow, pretend I have no idea wtf u talking about
@@stonedtaka6057 damnit I'm tripping now, u got me thinking I'm screwed here, just spent my last dime getting this board after getting a processor and graphics card and now u Tellin me it won't even run it?? x.x I'm dead inside
Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite (mid-range-ish): ruclips.net/video/a1ZvlK3jAvM/видео.html
ASRock X570 Taichi: ruclips.net/video/OUtvsAmD3Ws/видео.html
Gigabyte X570 Xtreme (high-end): ruclips.net/video/qszxxIumJOQ/видео.html
Gigabyte X570 Master: ruclips.net/video/Lz4_stcf__0/видео.html
Find Buildzoid here: ruclips.net/channel/UCrwObTfqv8u1KO7Fgk-FXHQ
Hmm question: instead of asking if I can use x470 with Ryzen 3 (having upgraded to Ryzen 2 from FX in Febuary), what Ryzen 3 Processors SHOULD I NOT RUN on x470?
@@JonManProductions You can probably run any of them. Only limitation will be the boards VRM capacity for overclocking etc. so a 3700x will be perfectly fine, a 3950x may be limited with overclocking depending on your X470 VRM capacity. Still probably ok on air cooling anyway.
When x570 launches please make video on the best ram for Ryzen 3000 series.
When you guys have those New AMD CPU will you try a cheapist build but also not cause a bottle neck with all the GPU or the most popular ones. 👍
@Noodle Confusion of course. A 3700x will run the same as a 2700x so basically any B350 or better.
wanted a review on the board...... got an engineering lesson on motherboards.... thx?!
Welcome to Buildzoid. Check out his channel for more PCB breakdowns. He even does them for GPUs.
Ikr 😏
His Skippy rants kind of drive me nuts!
Man, motherboards are the one thing I'm really bad at in terms of understanding whether it's good or not. I need someone like you to go shopping for me.
yeah like what the hell am I even looking at
I feel $ shave club are trying to say something about the tech community
The fact that it has nothing to do with the tech industry is the point. It keeps coverage honest.
You mean to say, that tech jesus needs to shave?
Jesus shave :0 hell no the other 605000 of us XD
Let me guess, there's lots of filthy casuals that need cleaning up?
Because we're all real people, and they make products we all need with no gimmicks and no bullshit marketing.
They had to get Buildzoid on board as he is the only one who shaves and they needed that Dollar Shave Club sponsorship.
that makes sense
mystery solved
Thanks for teaching us filthy casuals. Great vid as usual. Glad to see you snuck a 30+min video by Steve. :D
I started watching BZ because of him being shown on GN, so theres that
@@MrMarci878 Exactly. Thats how I found BZ, through some video here on GN.
Oh yeah I bet the audience crossover is quite high between the two channels. I subbed to GN because of the teardown videos. I then found BZ from some video here, prob a X370 mobo analysis video.
I watch these videos of BZ analyzing VRMs all the time and I have zero idea most of the time what he is talking about 😂
@@React2Quick I liked his summary of which 4xx boards to buy, it helps me recommend boards that can deliver sufficient power output without overheating :)
This video gave me flashbacks of watching my college professor draw stuff on a white board, and me comprehending literally nothing.
I didnt understand a thing but I watched it anyway
You are a measly nonoverclocker ;)p
@Tim R OC makes the whole thing romantic.
welcome, you filthy casual.
I think it was a motherboard
@@MX-op7nf Yes im about 51% sure its a motherboard
Would be great to hear from Buildzoid which of the cheapest X570 boards are the best or which he could recommend. That could be a challenge for him as all the high-end boards should be of high quality anyway. But the volume and consumer interest should be highest with the cheaper boards. :)
yes please! Definitely wanna go for a good value with "low-end" board
Yeah, I don't want to spend more than $120 +/- $10 on a motherboard due to budgeting constraints.
this!! best sub 200 board please
Highly seconding this post
Would be great!
I love this! I've never watched something like this before. I have been updating myself on the nitty gritty details of PC parts recently, as I haven't built a machine in years. And even though I dropped out of electrical engineering school (for the time being, avoiding debt), I find that I understand most of what he is talking about. Very enjoyable video to listen to while I manage VM allocations with an infuriatingly slow management console.
Much more consisce than the last one. Thanks for the review.
Thanks Buildzoid for the tip on wiring the reset switch to the cmos clear. Just saved me a ton of time on my first x570 build
I like to see entry level boards analyzed because that's what most people afford.
It would be cool if you could design a score: (does it have a LED debug +1/-1, can it support 12 cores, 16 cores +1/+2, etc...). Basically scoring sheet that can make mobos comparable once they are reviewed.
Agreed. I want to know:
1. Which chips will it support best
2. What issues will it have
3. What's my likely outcome with overclocking CPU, Memory, etc.
4. What important features are there present? Missing?
Just buy a X470/B450 motherboard instead. If you dont need PCIE 4.0 (99% of people have no use for it now) then just get last generations board. Get a higher end board with the features you want and you are good to go for about the same price as an "entry level" x570 board. Keep in mind an entry level x570 board will be $175 or more and will skimp on features to meet the price. For that money you could get a good midrange/high end x470 motherboard and still have all the fancy features and a quality VRM for the new high core chips.
@@JimmyTheSaintDailyVideos Yes I'd also be interested in X470 performance and if they can handle 12, 16 cores. Because I don't really need PCIE4 indeed.
Don't you know sub $200 boards are for us scrubs and poor people now just as $450 or $500 GPUs are mainstream now! This guy said so in his q&a video yesterday that the prices of AMD's navi cards are completely fine just as Nvidia's rtx cards are priced fine I guess.
@@JimmyTheSaintDailyVideos genuine question. Will a decent B450 board be able to get the most out of zen2 8 core processors? No overclocking just stock performance (If I can OC sure but not required) I have the msi B450 carbon ac pro board running a ryzen 2700x and maybe not right away but after a year or two when prices drop enough, I would like to update to either the 3700x or 3800x on the same board. How about the 12 core part on a B450 board? is it going too far?
Holy shit I love BZ. It's so informative and casual learning at the same time. Thanks Steve/BuildZoid!
Out of 100's of "reviews", finally one where someone really knows how MB works. Thanks for the great review!
Damn the detail you've gone through is amazing. Amazing analysis 👍
I know this is 3 years old, but, hooking the reset pins to the cmos pins....omg. Genius. I can't believe I've never thought or heard of this before.
I just came here to say I recently updated my BIOS and dropped in a 5800X3D. runs like a dream
BIOS flashback is also useful to downgrade the BIOS or to resurrect the motherboard in case of unsuccessful BIOS flashing, which happened a lot with the latest BIOS for Crosshair VI boards.
this is a reason why i regret ordering this board and am now cancelling my purchase lol i'd rather have another asus with bios-flashback :')
@@M4tth2w which motherboard?
I know I'm late as could be, but just want to say thank you for giving an in depth look at this. Thanks for breaking it down by the cpu cores, I really needed that.
My advice which you asked for at the end of the video would be to invest more into the conclusion. Summarize the major features and inputs/outputs of the board, how well those are implemented, some comparison to other boards and making a value proposition for the board. Is it a good value vs its competitors? That sort of thing.
Also an actual temperature measurement of the VRM's etc while the board is in operation would be VERY helpful. Perhaps testing some memory timings and making sure the thing boots alright if you can start getting your hands on some of these. I'm curious about how different the temps on this are vs the msi gaming edge wifi that Hardware Unboxed tested.
Waiting for the ASUS ROG Strix X570 E & F Gaming boards analysis.
Gr8 work BTW !
Irony is Buildzoid spending 2 full minutes talking about how unimportant it is that the drivers use ≤ 1 watt.
Love your guy's collaborations, keep up the great work!
Duuude... I never expected to see such a detailed analysis on a relatively cheap motherboard! Good job and thanks for all the info!
I bought it for 265 usd in my country xd
NTMFS4C024N's RDS(on) is 2.8 mohm at 25 deg C. At 80 deg C RDS(on) is around 3.6 mohm. That's called positive RDS(on) temperature coefficient. This can get you in a lot of troubles if you don't calculate the cooling solution properly.
When he says $200 motherboard is low end it makes my feelings and wallet hurt :(
PipSqueak Longplays same I’m building my pc soon I think I’m settling for this motherboard
@@alizee7548 Good choice! I got the MSI MPG x570 GAMING EDGE WIFI board and I love it! Installed my Ryzen 7 3700x and it worked on first boot with 0 issues. I also installed 16GB 3200mhz RAM hit the XMB button and boom, was fully up and running really quickly. People also talk about the heat on the VRM's and in a mid size atx case with 2 case fans (1 intake, 1 exhaust) and a Evo 212 Black Edition CPU cooler, they stay under 63C during intense gaming and heavy video editing and in the low 50's on idle! Really happy as I aimed for a high performance, but no trouble build. Haven't tested how much this changes with OC, but at stock it's definitely fine.
PipSqueak Longplays they sell out really fast! I was literally about to place my order twice. Sold out twice in a row. I ended up ordering a MSi tomohawk max it’s a bit more budget friendly
Low end by X570 standards. These boards only cost about $150 now, so are a great option for anyone who wants a load of PCIe 4.0 lanes with a Ryzen 5 or 7.
The vrm heatsinks appear to have widely spaced fins, which means very little pressure is needed to push air through it.
The exhaust fan behind it and the one above the other set should be enough to pass air through the heatsinks, making them very efficient.
Best channel ever to understand deeply this subject. Unique in the world
I really enjoy these board breakdown videos! These really are awesome!!
Nice , this is what i wanted to see . A low end analysis , and it looks allright . Up to 12 cores is fine , cause the 16 core is getting too expensive to consider a low end board anyway .
using this board with a 5950X and no overheating problems so far
GN T-shirt Idea: "Update the BY-AWCE!"
Or the trashy version: "Touch my BIOS update switch" with an arrow pointing down
@@AstolfoGayming I feel like Paul form Paul's Hardware would do for a shirt lol
Is this how an MRI+diagnosis on a motherboard looks like? I was stunned by the amount of knowledge you have on the issue. Amazing job!
the VRM blocks have more cooling fins than the chipset, and yet that tiny fan is supposed to somehow help cool the chipset block, lol.
i never seen this kind of analysis. It had helped me choosing this board and now I know what I got in this broad.
How well does the Dollar shave club toothpaste fare against the Thermalgrizzly kryonaut?
So does the increased cost of x570 motherboards negate the price to performance gains of Ryzen 3000 over most Coffee Lake processors?
The better question would be, will ryzen 3000 run at full capacity on older am4 boards?
It might, but there are X470, b450, X370 and b450 motherboard you can choose from.
If you dont make use of pcie 4.0,you are wasting money for an x570.
You cant make use of pcie 4, high speed memory for it isnt consumer and its irrelevant for gpus (Atleast atm)
The extreme cost of the 9900k and a high end Z390 board to accompany it pretty much negates this argument, although the $50-$100 might ruin the value proposition compared to other ryzen parts, especially those on x470/b450.
The security flaws and needed mitigations negate the theoretical performance benefits of Coffee Lake over Zen 2. The only difference is X570 is the same quality/price as their Z390 counterparts.
Fantastic video, it's content like this that makes GN better than the rest. This was amazingly helpful, thank you very much for saving me the research and math.
always plug in the little piezo speaker into my motherboard. a lot of boards dont even come with one but i keep moving my old one up. those little beeps make me feel warm and fuzzy. i also usually put the reset button plug on the cmos reset header so i can just reset my cmos that way. i never use the reset button anyway
I am more interested in the sub200 ASrock and GB boards. They usually pack in other features outside of OC stuff that i like, and at a decent price. Hell, if this board is less than 200 bucks im honestly not to worried about the x570 chipset tax.
The ASRock X570 Pro4 is going to cost $169,- So that is ok , it's going to be my new board , because i'm going for (just) an Ryzen 3600X .
@@gertjanvandermeij4265 That's without VAT. It will be over 200 with VAT
@@gertjanvandermeij4265 Also, the 3600X is a waste of money. You could spend that extra $50 on better ram or something.
I continue to be amazed at how smart Buildzoid is. Great video. The smartass quips make it much more enjoyable. :)
Please review the MSI X570 Edge Wifi
Really great to hear how the VRM would perform under different conditions (OC, different core count, etc). I love this in depth analysis even if I only get half of the info and I'm not really going to upgrade my motherboard right now.
Talking about upgrades, it would be cool to revisit older X470 MB with Ryzen 3000 in mind... you know, for the guys that have an ASUS Crosshair VII Hero... like, me?
Good stuff guys! I love these PCB brake down reviews👍❤✌
Soooooooo.... is this a good one to get? Ryzen 5 3600. Mild over clocking for gaming.
yes
I wonder what the best board will be under $200. Leaning towards the 3900X 12 core so hmmmm....
I would love to know that as well
Thorough explanation. Your geeky inner engineer is blindingly bright. Well done!
The summery here goes like this: MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS is best for up to 12 core ryzen cpu. Since it's memory config is daisy chain, the ram max per modules works best at up to 8gb.
Hey buildzoid, if you press Tab, you will remove the annoying Photoshop UI from the screen, small tip to reduce clutter on your prezzie.
Just realized you're using Gimp. But I'm sure there's a shortcut to do the same.
Thank you for your reviews, havent seen anything close to this elsewhere. Plus - my gf is so much confused about the content, she doesnt even know what I'm looking at. Always fun :)
BZ has questioned the BIOS Flash button before, but it saved my butt once on an ASUS Crosshair Hero VI when a bios flash corrupted the BIOS, and would not post. The Bios Flash back worked and bot me back in biz same night no stress or grief.
Finally, i wait for this one!
2:22 Thank you so much for pointing this out!
Finally I can go to bed...
I had the same question and I highly apprechiate it being mentioned right away.
@@Azzlanoid I feel you bro... I couldn't find any Information in the manual nor on MSI website, and the quick installation guide turns out to be misleading.
I’m rocking 4x16 on my current system. It’s doing better than rated.
Thank you for this well done video
What about if your BIOS gets corrupted or unsigned BIOSes for modding purposes. I think the BIOS flashback is a great addition.
20 minutes into the video and Buildzoid realizes that he didn't mention the MOSFETs. I just love it. This is the Buildzoid we come to see at AHOC
This video influenced my purchase. I grabbed one to run a 3900x off of. Thanks!
sooooo the outcome? is this good? bad? ok? pros/cons?
Love these videos, I would love to buy the 12 core maybe considering a potential future overclock as well (depending on how the 3rd gen handles it ofc, nothing drastic) and these videos are really helpful. I'll be using it for gaming and partly as a workstation for 3D rendering. I'm not very budget restricted however I would like to keep the price down as much as possible without losing important features or overinvesting into useless ones. TIL you don't need 12 phase VRM to overclock the 12 core and the fact this is supposedly sub 200 dollars is really nice...
Awesome analysis as always from Buildzoid, hope you guys can do an analysis on ITX X570 motherboards, personally i would like to see one from the ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming-ITX TB3, since im considering the change from an i5 8400 itx.
As usual, very informative yet intensely agitating.
After watching this I'm convinced electrical engineers are a cross between a general doctor with a enthusiasm for a surgery and a high performance mechanical engineer with the thought process of a rocket scientist. With a double/triple Ph.D in each feild (if they had the time).
is the MSI X570-A PRO ATX better than this?
its basically the same board without the "gaming" aesthethics
I'm going to put the 3950X 16-core in my B350 board. Think the VRM can handle it? lol.
I have an MSI B350 PC MATE and the VRMs are already at their limits with my ryzen 5 1600 @1.44V. I doubt any B350 boards could handle high core ryzen 3000 CPUs well.
RYZEN 3700X+ MSI X570 GAMING PLUS would be my choice. Thanks for video and it is what I want to learn. Good Job!
Do you think R7 3800X will work well with this motherboard?
At first, I thought that thing top left was some break-out board for WiFi or something, lol.
Great vid BZ and crews. B)
Just got this motherboard in and having a 3900x on the way also. I was paranoid about the power delivery of this board, but this video makes me feel better. I won't be manually overclocking, and using the stock Wraith Prism for now. Hopefully it can push enough air over the heatsinks to help out.
Hey bro just bought this mobo and the 3700x any issues ?
@@Kahilg doesn't seem to be so far, although I've just done gaming.
@@wvjeepguy8178 good to know , excited for my new build, thanks for the reply !
How is the CPU temp? I used B450 carbon gaming plus my idle in ryzen 3rd gen 3800 is 48 to 52 might not be compatible. Now I bought this X570 will it help the temp to cool down?
I doubt it's going to help those Temps drop. I can get some results for you later, but my initial observations while gaming were in the 50-55c range while playing World of Warcraft.
So...I got this board for 130$ Im running a Ryzen 3000 3.6. 6 core and don't plan to really game all that much. Maybe later. This was more of a ...I need to build a first computer build that leaves me some room for possibly upgrading it in the future. Do you like it for just that? I loved your Analysis. I typed "review" and got this. I was 15 minutes in when i Looked down and saw that this was no mere review! It's a master class analysis.
In the market for a good budget x570 over 2 years after this video was made, I just bought this board on this recommendation.
How do you like it? I just bought one
@@michaelmacdonald329 Not sure why I didn't see your question until just now, but it's a great board. I'm running a ryzen 7 5800x which is a hot chip but the board stays fairly cool. I have great airflow and max vrm temps after gaming for hours is 59c. Without too much effort I managed to get stable 3733 ram speed at 1866 fclk with 4 x 8 gb hynix djr's, and could I get 1966 fclk but I didn't like the voltages (crappy ram) so I backed off. I'm running it daily at 3600 xmp though because I need this pc to last 20 years. This board has a bug (or is at an agesa bug?) where it won't boot for me with ram/fclk at 3800/1900 or 4000/2000 but it will at any other speed but that wasn't a huge issue since I know that's a thing. It's a stable board with a great bios and I would buy it again.
Kind of hoping that the we'll get some mATX boards with the B550 boards. I noticed that most MB manufacturers abandoned the form factor, apparently. It's just the perfect size for the cases I like. Also, I don't have a need (or the money to exploit) the only feature exclusive to the new skew of boards. Currently using a msi B450M Gaming Plus (which I'm sure BZ will say is crap, lol).
Guess I'll get one of the new chips for the improved single core performance and just keep my old mb.
I hope you will analyze msi meg ace pcb. That’s my choice for the moment.
so helpful thank you!
Stay active and post more content. It takes time but its def worth it.
We post a video per day...
i spent £85 to buy a new psu to power that 4 pin connector that i dont need to use!! wish i had of watched this vid first great job thanks
Seeing that the x570-A pro is the same board with same vrm but different color and heatsink... do you think its good enough still? its 20€ difference here between the x570-A pro and x570 gaming plus
EDIT: With amazon discount, ends up at 155€ vs the gaming plus at 189€. The other alternatives are gaming x from GA and asus prime P both at 230 €
Is that or a B450 carbon pro, that imo has less features and worse VRM than this
B450 carbon pro AC is a amazing motherboard, sadly the bios is just to small for the new ryzen 3000, and they are going to lauch the the same motherboard but with bigger bios chip.
did u ever find out if the smaller heatsink matters on the A-pro? i bought that one caues it looked less gamery then the gaming plus
Is a x570 mobo going to be necessary if you want to use a Ryzen 5xxx series at launch or can a b450 mobo do the job? I heard that the b450 doesn't have an update ready for launch, and will get it in january '21.
Soo is this a good buy for ryzen 5600x?
Is this a good board for a ryzen 9 3900x?
" 2/22/20 " Purchased Ryzen 7 3700x + This Msi x570 gaming plus @ Micro Center for $370.- ( $30.- off Combo ) i've OverClocked my Chip to 4.5ghz @ 1.375v with a Msi Mag 240r Aio and temps stay under 73c after hour's of Processor intensive games ( Odyssey / Origins, etc ... ) i'm a Casual OverClocker butt i can highly Recommend this Motherboard for others who are Just looking for an increase in Performance without breaking the bank.
I saw your older video about using the MSI M.2 "heat shield" but this motherboard comes with a completely different design. I was hoping you would cover it in this video. Since you didn't, do you think it's worth using?
Just bought this board for my 3700x!!!
I would like to see more of workstation related X570 motherboard overviews, like the Asus prime or ASRock Pro4.
MSI X570-A PRO vs MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS ?
Wait, so just to clear things up, you don't need more than single 8-pin CPU power?
@@bradhaines3142 Oh, I was just joking. :P He brings it up in every video. Apologies for my lame joke.
@@bradhaines3142 Can I connect the 4pin and the 4+4pin simultaneously with no problems without overclocking?
Not making excuses for the board the clear CMOS should have been on the back and the bios flashback on the edge of the board. However, if you are really desperate with the right connector (same type as used on two pin front panel) you could wire a remote switch to clear CMOS.
"WAAAAAAAY" more expensive seems to be rather subjective. I'm looking at ITX boards and the new board from Gigabyte is about $15 more than the existing X470 ITX boards.
Yeah this board is $165 so about $30 more than the successor. Seems about right for a new chipset
I think I'm getting the b450 gaming carbon ac for the 3600/x unless there's a better budget option.
B450 Tomahawk.
@@user-kk4bq7mb8u yeah that's my other option, I'm kinda torn between the 2 as they are basically the same but the gaming carbon has wifi, bluetooth and better audio from what I've read.
@@BombaJead i.redd.it/7n48gewun0p21.png
Useful chart from what I've seen. Might help you with your decision.
I saw this title and went, "There's Sub-$200 X570's. I was starting to worry." My next motherboard will have a clear CMOS button. I'm tired of clearing it with a jumping.
Just get a Spare Standart Reset Button, you can hook that up on every Board then and have your Clear CMOS Button, when you need it.
@@Diranar851 True, and I was thinking of doing that. However, I'm going to be building a new system anyway, so I might as well get a motherboard with all the bells and whistles I can afford. I will be watching a bunch of reviews before making any final buying decisions.
It's 2019, how does this not have a cmos button
@Oletta Liano would you be needing assistance with such a build?
@@1mymm No, I've been in the PC tech business for 12 years, and I've built over 75 system while working for a small PC shop. I think I can handle it.
I'd like to know what's the best bang for your buck, a $200 X470 or $200 X570?
I know this is well after the fact, but a video on those bio's tricks to get 4x8 memory to work well in a daisy chain topology would be really cool. If you guys already did one then don't mind me lol.
ERROR CODE:
"There's something wrong with my memory but I forgot what it was!"
Is your issue solved?
@@vandanakale4002 he doesn't remember
Dat tiny board next to this board. Is that the affordable version of A/B/X5xx series board? (seeing as its bloody expensive).
I was about to order parts to build a gaming pc... but after this video i have to say that i may be over my head... great video tho
Something Buildzoid missed - Flashback lets you rollback to previous BIOS versions, even when the built-in BIOS update routine won't let you.
I came here to hear u say: Just buy it its amazing!!, and now I'm crying whit a existential crisis.. very good video btw
Will it run a r9 3900x processor??
According to MSI yes! according to the VRM`s no!
@@stonedtaka6057 wat u mean?? So is it yes or no???? I just bought this thing and it's gonna be here tomorrow, pretend I have no idea wtf u talking about
@@stonedtaka6057 it was one of the recommended boards x. X
@@stonedtaka6057 damnit I'm tripping now, u got me thinking I'm screwed here, just spent my last dime getting this board after getting a processor and graphics card and now u Tellin me it won't even run it?? x.x I'm dead inside
@@cwright2872 hey, so the VRM´s on all x570 MSI board seem too hot check hardware unboxed latest video he speaks specifically about this board.
About the 8 pin and 4 pin should i reslly not plug in a 4 pin? And i wont ever have trouble? Ty all this is kinda new yo me
i've been using this motherboard since May.