To be fair, stupid thing to say really... Some people still like to watch who don't overclock. Like saying oh, you don't own a hyper car. Why the heck you watching amazing videos on hyper cars? LEAVE Think before you speak...
@@newfan55555555555555 To be fair, don't be so sensitive. And your analogy is shit. Here's a better one. If you have never changed the oil in your car, and never plan to, it wouldn't make sense for you to watch videos about it. I'm a professional mechanic. Trust me. The filthy normies that don't know what they're talking about but try to quote MCM bullshit to me are disgusting examples of humanity that should be taken out back and shot. Most people that watch yt are nobodies that will never climb out of the safe little box in front of their screen and actually DO the things they watch. Don't be a pussy. Restart your computer and hit delete. Change some stuff and see how it reacts. Rinse and repeat. You should find a good setup within a day or so, maybe a week depending on how far you want to push it.
How many of those are exclusive to intel? Especially now that AMD is _finally_ implementing multichannel hyper-threading and implementing fake cores like Intel rather than just have physical cores only. You are taking Brand less likely to be affected than intel, and turning the headline into INTEL is the only processor brand affected
@@czdaniel1 Well, as far as I'm aware, AMD is doing the hyperthreading differently from Intel. As far as exclusivity goes, Meltdown is exclusive to Intel, Spectre can affect some AMD CPUs as well as ARM CPUs, and ZombieLoad is exclusive to Intel and their hyperthreading implementation.
What does he call a workstation pc builder that only listens to gamer and O/Cer channels to find out what new equipment is on the market? Please don't tell him that I don't own a single game!
I think he's talking of that as the starting point. Check out www.techpowerup.com/256443/alleged-asus-amd-x570-motherboard-price-list-paints-a-horror-story , yeah it's a rumour page I get that BUT I expected this gouging from AMD to happen with Ryzen 4xxx. AMD have to do it to make some serious money while they can. AMD are doing exactly the same as Intel with its Z370.
rawdez I’m talking about the prices abroad I live in Jordan where taxes are too damn high hence why a b450 costs 150$ here Oh and there are no online shops locally and if you buy from abroad you will get taxed
Guess a B450/X470 revisit video would be a good follow up to this, now that such ecosystems are pretty mature it would be nice to hear which boards would you recommend.
In fact, it was the idea in the first presentation of Zen: The chipset was just an I/O extension of the SoC. But during development they decided to go the Intel way and do some OC-locked B320 and A300 to please OEMs.
@26:00 I don't know if Buildzoid realizes it, but I'm pretty sure that he is describing the "X300" series of motherboards. It was a chipset-less board spec that AMD announced before Ryzen 1000 released (if I remember correctly, it was like 2016). It, and "A300", were supposed to be the spec for ITX boards. I guess that board makers decided not to use it, though, because it's easier to sell a board with a recognizable chipset name like X370 or X570. I was really disappointed when nobody did anything with it.
I swear i might be a casual who watches your videos and likes them every time you upload one, but I gain more knowledge from your videos then 95% of the other youtuber's who just rinse and repeat everything the motherboard has that is stated online or in the manual. Definitely waiting on your review of the x570 motherboards and new AMD chipsets before I do any upgrading! IMO you deserve a lot more then 63k subs. Amazing channel and amazing content! Cheers
im a filthy casual without even a desktop tower AND I SHALL NOT LEAVE, i love learning the inside of things and your ramblings give just that and things that i had overlook before
01:20 "If you are not an overclocker ... leave, you dirty casuals" 14:21 "Unless you are doing manual overclocking ..." Wait, what? Does hardcore overclockers generally use XMP profiles? :D I considered myself casual, and even I overclock my memory manually.
@@Chuckiele I accidentally overclocked my first AthlonXP build by setting the FSB jumpers to 400 instead of 333. I realized it when I bought a Barton few years ago.
@@oscarjung5405 I would like to swap my 1600X for a 3600X on my TUFB350M. Here's hoping ASUS will help us out. First gen to third gen looks like it will be worth the money.
You're awesome .. i get more sensible info from your ramblings than anywhere else. I am not a hardcore overclocker @1:30, but I refuse to go away. I am hardcore staying .. ;-)
You mentioned it was going to be a disaster of a video, but I was disappointed that the video is incredibly insightful and with sensible reasoning. I hope these Zen 2 chips overclock really high! ASRock X370 Killer SLI and Gaming K4 were cancelled.
Very interesting funfact: the x570 chipset is identical to the io-die on the 3000 series ryzen cpus for the first batch, the x570 chipset will be in glofo 14nm and the io-die in 12nm, but they use the exact same mask brings interesting posibilitys like 4 extra pcie lanes from the chipset(probably locked for power reasons) and fully functional ram controller, could be used for ram cashing your ssds (if a board vendor would implement that and amd allows it of course)
Note that many B450 and X470 boards don't have bios flashback, so better check that before buying an old board for Zen 2 CPUs. Also the X570 chipset is apparently 3rd gen Ryzen's I/O die, just features enabled and disabled :P
the x570 chipset and the io die are the same silicon (the chipset is 14nm, the io die is 12nm) with features enabled/disabled for what the silicon is used for
@7:00 -ish isn't the 14nm IO chiplet consuming more power due to the pci-e 4 and extra usb 3.1 gen 2 stuff? You get less power per core, but that's offset by the io chiplet @26:00 I don't think it's possible to make them without chipset, due to bios and some stuff that's still in chipset... they could make something like A300 chipset, minimal.
I'm perplexed, I spent the most money I've ever spent on a motherboard, and finally got myself a Crosshair VII Hero for my 2700x, finally got my Trident Z ram to run at 3400mhz @ 16-16-16-32-48 stable for everyday use, and now i'm back to being a budget build, WTF!!!!! Dirty casual!! I learned everything I know about overclocking from the Zoid, keep rambling please!!!!
Asrock had the X370 Gaming K4. That thing was kinda crippled for memory clocks. I had one and it was so bad that even bog standard DDR4-2400 DIMMS rated at 1.2 V wouldn't run stable at that voltage. It required 50mV extra in order to not crash. I could get a 3200 MHz kit stable at only 2866 at 1.4 V. The Gaming K4 got cancelled quite early on and was replaced by the Gaming X, visually the same but with some fixes applied to memory compatibility.
Don't forget that the Infinity Fabric has also doubled in performance for the Zen 2 Microarchitecture as it is now based on PCIe 4.0, so the 2:1 Mode caused by very high memory speeds only takes the effective speed back to that of past Zen designs. There are so many changes to the overall design that the true outcome is only going to be seen from real life testing a good few months after release as code for the BIOS and OS catch up.
I'm not an overclocker. I watch these vids because you actually talk about the electrics behind everything. Not just the x gigahertz this y gigahertz that. I want to know the why as much as the what when it comes to functionality.
Thanks for making this sleep deprived video. With this and your best ryzen Mobo video, I feel like anyone can pick good parts. I just got a x470 gaming plus msi board at a killer deal (bought because of your vid) and now I think I get the 3700x now instead of the 3600.
G'day Buildzoid, No wonder you couldn't sleep at the start of the video you were talking so fast my speakers had trouble keeping up, when i was looking at upgrading to AM4 I checked out your comparison video & chose a MSI B450M Mortar & for a CPU I went with a R5 1400 (2nd hand) to be ready for Zen 2, I am hoping to get a R7 3700X as an upgrade, also I had never overclocked a CPU but after watching your channel, G/N Steve, Bearded Hardware, Hardware Unboxed & JayzTwoCents, I got game & have my R5 running at 3700MHz, still gotta get a bit more confident with my 1080Ti Gaming X, So I have gotten a EVGA z68 SLI Micro a i5-2500K & an EVGA GTX760 to 'play' with
I'm glad you talked about the x570 motherboards and their increased price. It has been one thing that has been bothering me since I have not seen a lot of news on the price of the x570 boards, other than that they are going to be costing more. I hope the b550 boards will be at a more affordable price when they release.
Has Buildzoid discussed the significance of the power supply and where the point of diminishing returns are in his opinion? I know the efficiency ratings are kind of BS after a certain point, but take for example a Seasonic Focus Gold vs Seasonic Prime Gold. Would the slightly cleaner power delivery of the Prime ever be significant, or are they effectively equal in terms of performance when overclocking?
Nice one Buildzoid, you have just confirmed my purchasing decisions. I have bought this week a used X470-F for £111 and 3600c18 g.skills 2x8gb for £130, now i am waiting for the overclocking difference in day one reviews between 3700x and 3800x to finish my upgrade from 1500x on b350m-a with 3000c15 2x8gb vengeance kit. I will finaly be able to join the rest dissing vega64s as it will be my bottleneck after upgrade isntead of my cheap cpu...
About running IF at 1:2 ratio, if i remember correctly, AMD actually doubled IF badwidth, and then you have 2 chips connected to the MC, if the IF band doesn't actually split you still have the same MC/core and core/core bandwidth of ryzen+, so it might be that much of a problem in less latency-sensitive workloads
The better AM4 socket mobos have the same 8 phase VRM on their X399 board made for 14nm 8/12/16 core first gen Threadrippers. I don't know why they power a 7nm ZEN2 12 core Ryzen.
Watching this video, and remembering what you said about not being able to ramble on and on and on on the GN videos.... Yeah... This is that, alright. Love It.
Buildzoid, have you heard about any x570 Motherboards equipped with a PCIe switch? Microsemi makes one but my google search skills doesn't come up with more than its existence. Asus' WS X570-ACE is interesting with the x8/x8/x8 option without a switch.
Most informative x570 video ramble out there. The pricing of x570 is pushing me towards getting an x470 board the most, but it helps to have other info as well that makes a case for x470 for me. Price is the biggest factor though for my choice between x470 and x570. Have specific boards in mind already just need the pricing.
Small form factor enthusiasts' pulses spiked as soon as you started talking about a mini-ITX board with the chipset and all of the extra bells and whistles they could never fit stripped away. It would interest me but I, too, am a sucker for having a bunch of USB ports.
I am not an anything, but for 15:04 and 21:05 the obvious thought would be ratios closer than 2:1 (x0.5). Like 3:2 (1.5:1, or x0.65/0.667 multiplier)... or for something that works out cleanly, 5:4 (x0.8 multiplier) especially at not-too-high of frequencies. That is, assuming the IF can do that, the ratio not being some low-level mode.
dirty casual and proud of it ... still i like to get decent boards and this channel is the one with the best info on vrm out there as far as i can judge. also i love rambling videos for some strange reason ...
Does the PCI-E 4.0 affect crossfire at all? Said one card couldn't even really saturate 3.0 but will the increased speed allow for better crossfire/sli use?
One card doesn't saturate 3.0 x8. You could run crossfire in 4x/4x(you do need 5700(xt)) and leave the rest for NVMes and stuff, maybe a soundcard, video capture card or whatever.
I've only ever used a b350 board. Is per core overclocking a thing now on the x470 or x570 boards? I was expecting that to be much improved on the x570 boards. Isn't that a a reason to buy x570? 4.4GHz all core is nice, but being able to push that single core to 4.7GHz would be even better.
To me, this is an extremely interesting video. I am in the process of planning my next build as my previous build is already 6 years old, 5 if you count the GPU upgrade. I was initially disappointed by the lack of micro ATX x470/x570 boards, but if I understand you correctly there are b450 micro ATX motherboards that can handle the Ryzen 7 3700X or 3800X and DDR4 3600MHz or 3733MHz. Which ones would you actually recommend for such a build?
Same situation as you and also looking for micro ATX x570 but after hearing his rumble about the only mATX x570 by Asrock being crap.. Looks likes we don't haven't a good mATX x570 option. Could anyone advise on a good x470/B450 mATX board?
How do you feel on memory overclocking with Crosshair 7 hero? Was looking for x570, but i think crosshair 7 will be enough for me. (i really like the temp probe and pump headers) You still need chipset for things like USB and Sata, might actually work if you use NVME only for storage and no USB....perhaps usb controller on I/O die?
Love your videos! :) WHy would you build a computer only for the present moment? As you said the next gen Nvidia cards might be able to use PCIe gen 4 x8 next year...
It would be cheaper to buy a X570 board now instead of buying a cheaper mobo and then having to upgrade again if you decided to go for a PCIE 4.0 GPU a year or two later. Then again the performance difference of a PCIE 4.0 GPU running at 3.0 speeds will probably be only 2-4% difference but I like getting max performance and don't care about price to performance that much. Give me all the FPS.
@@Old_Ladies It seems you do not get any increase in FPS at all! But yes! "Why not" go for a board that lasts longer! A cheaper board might end up being more expensive! You might not know what you are doing in 2 years time and how you use your computer! :)
@@chrisbenn Well you wouldn't get any performance boost using a PCIE 3.0 card on PCIE 4.0 but a PCIE 4.0 card should get a very small performance boost using PCIE 4.0 over 3.0. like less than 2%. So in most cases it will be less than 1FPS increase unless you already are running at over 100FPS already in which case you don't need the extra performance of 1-2 FPS. I am an enthusiast so I like to get all the performance I can get at 24/7 stability.
*@**16:36* _"Hi Memory speeds, generally, don't play well with high memory density"_ *16:36* Interesting observation. Does this apply as a general rule, or do you mean limited in scope to either overclocked RAM, or CPU and or Chipset combo etc??
Your third 8X slot comes off your PCH. Or it's 8X 8X 4X with 4 lanes on the last slot off the PCH added to make it 3 8X. If you need 16X 8X 16X 8X and three M.2 4X sockets get the Threadripper. There are 40 cpu lanes on AM4. 24 go to the PCH. 12 USB 3.0, 4 USB 2.0 and 4 + 4 + 4 for SATA ports. That only leaves 16 for your PCIe sockets.
X570 makes sense because Chip to processor is PCI E 4.0 x4 instead of 3.0 x4. For SSDs at least for me, More faster USB connection on the IO and also for the frontpanels.
I'm planning on picking up a 3950x and slapping a NH-D15 on it (ie. No exotic cooling). Do you think the 12+2 phase on the Aorus Master will get me by?
OK so i am confused...... What if i have an Asus x470 crosshair or an Asus x470 strix both of those boards have really good VRM , 10 and 8 phase. Are those not enough to run a 3900x for example?. An entry level x570 have the same vrm and in some cases even worse . Why do i "need" a x570 motherboard to run a 12/16 core if i have a really really high end x470 board?
You don't - keep your 8 or 10 phase motherboard. BZ is making generalized statements because most X470 owners don't have boards that have such a high end 470. You're fine even with the 16 core if you don't want the "latest & greatest" board
@Buildzoid, you did not address whether or not motherboards with a T topology can handle 3600 MT/s without problems. Some of the motherboards with the best VRM's have a T topology to support more modules better but at the cost of the clock frequency for 2 modules. You might not need that more powerful VRM for the 3700X but you might need it for a 12C/16C which get or have gotten a steep discount and those X470 motherboards are discounted strongly like the X370 Taichi which costs only €169 at the moment.
I'm going for 3900X and planning to keep the PC for at least 5 years with just GPU upgrades... I know I don't NEED X570 but somehow I think I should go for it...
Interesting video . thanks! I'm in the process of buying parts for my build. I'm waiting on the new Ryzen 3000 chips! My question is , would it be worth buying a higher end x470 or a lower end x570 to over clock the cpu (with an AIO) . If the x470's can over clock these chips then I might as well save some money , as I can't see myself making use of PCIE 4. hmmm ...what to do . These new x570's seem a little over priced just for the heck of it to me.
If you look at the ASRock Deskmini A300, there is actually a Board without any Chipset for Ryzen. Just also without any normal PCIe slots, so it is only usable for APUs. Very Small and much cheaper than going ITX or mATX for your APU though.
Today I learned that I'm a dirty casual.Getting smarter every day.
Very dirty
Still here ?
Dirty dirty boy
I need a bath.
@@DNAReader of course I'm still here, trying to understand how much dirt I can sustain.
I am what you call a dirty casual, and I shall not leave. I enjoy these ramblings.
Congratulations by staying your level has gone up to not so casual.
Casuals UNITE!
Jan De Kock with our powers combined
Am a dirty casual. Just subscribed
@1:20 I almost spit my coffee all over my keyboard. Always good to start the day with a laugh.
Think we can get Buildzoid to make a shirt with something like that on it? I'd buy one in a heartbeat
To be fair, stupid thing to say really... Some people still like to watch who don't overclock. Like saying oh, you don't own a hyper car. Why the heck you watching amazing videos on hyper cars? LEAVE Think before you speak...
@@actuallymediocreoverclocking I'd buy one for every day of the week.
@@newfan55555555555555 To be fair, don't be so sensitive. And your analogy is shit. Here's a better one. If you have never changed the oil in your car, and never plan to, it wouldn't make sense for you to watch videos about it. I'm a professional mechanic. Trust me. The filthy normies that don't know what they're talking about but try to quote MCM bullshit to me are disgusting examples of humanity that should be taken out back and shot. Most people that watch yt are nobodies that will never climb out of the safe little box in front of their screen and actually DO the things they watch. Don't be a pussy. Restart your computer and hit delete. Change some stuff and see how it reacts. Rinse and repeat. You should find a good setup within a day or so, maybe a week depending on how far you want to push it.
@@newfan55555555555555 It's so sad when people don't have a sense of humor.
1:30 I'm actually offended I feel called out
Good, you deserve it. Now use that and change yourself
Grow up and join us
Me too, but I'm trying over here.
2:25 "AMD's knock-off 9900K"
*Spectre, Meltdown and ZombieLoad have entered the chat*
Amd beats intel the shit out it's not my opinion it's A FACT.
Llols!!😅😅😂😂🤣
ZombieLoad? Will ANTIFA be beating on my front door?
How many of those are exclusive to intel? Especially now that AMD is _finally_ implementing multichannel hyper-threading and implementing fake cores like Intel rather than just have physical cores only. You are taking Brand less likely to be affected than intel, and turning the headline into INTEL is the only processor brand affected
@@czdaniel1 Well, as far as I'm aware, AMD is doing the hyperthreading differently from Intel. As far as exclusivity goes, Meltdown is exclusive to Intel, Spectre can affect some AMD CPUs as well as ARM CPUs, and ZombieLoad is exclusive to Intel and their hyperthreading implementation.
Simple i am a Casual and its interests me what you say of the, for you, lower end Borads :P
the fuck is a borad you mong
What does he call a workstation pc builder that only listens to gamer and O/Cer channels to find out what new equipment is on the market? Please don't tell him that I don't own a single game!
Long Shlong English is not my Native Language and that was only a typo why so agressive?
@@PpVolto because Long Shlong superiority, you little pp
Borats?
As an electrical engineer that doesn't have much exposure to power delivery systems, I enjoy watching your videos to expand my knowledge of the craft.
1:21 ))
I thought I had set the speed of your video to 1.25x speed. Nope! Just buildzoid sleep deprived.
GN style
>complains about x570 costing 150$
>looks at local retail prices : b450 is at least 130$
>cries in corner
there is that thing that was invented in the previous century called "internet". you can buy stuff there.
I think he's talking of that as the starting point. Check out www.techpowerup.com/256443/alleged-asus-amd-x570-motherboard-price-list-paints-a-horror-story , yeah it's a rumour page I get that BUT I expected this gouging from AMD to happen with Ryzen 4xxx. AMD have to do it to make some serious money while they can. AMD are doing exactly the same as Intel with its Z370.
rawdez I’m talking about the prices abroad
I live in Jordan where taxes are too damn high hence why a b450 costs 150$ here
Oh and there are no online shops locally and if you buy from abroad you will get taxed
@@Juanguar damn. I guess you have to move to a better country then if you want better prices.
Practically only the US enjoy these "cheap" MSRP prices for any electronic products, everywhere else must pay at least 20% extra at minimum.
1:18 "I just assume if you're here you're an overclocker and if you're not LEAVE you dirty casuals..." HAHAHAHAHAHA! LOL!
He was joking,right???'cause a bunch of us feel offended!!!
@@khoabui7766 ofc..feel the irony please 🙂
Guess a B450/X470 revisit video would be a good follow up to this, now that such ecosystems are pretty mature it would be nice to hear which boards would you recommend.
maybe even include the most popular/best value X370 boards (like the Prime X370-Pro) for upgrader
> 20 min guys, tired BZ best BZ !
Dis gona b gud!
i thought that my YT was 1.5x
@@MiriadCalibrumAstar hahahahaha
So far 8 filthy casuals have watched this vid.
Keep up the good work Buildzoid I learn a ton from everything you do.
29 dirty casuals and counting
Nobody:
Buildzoid: What if we just removed the chipset?
In fact, it was the idea in the first presentation of Zen: The chipset was just an I/O extension of the SoC. But during development they decided to go the Intel way and do some OC-locked B320 and A300 to please OEMs.
I do love how tired you sound at the end, A+
Ty for your opinioms and insights
1:20 Dirty casual here since 2017, refusing to leave. Deal with it. =)
Its the only way to learn and kick the "Dirty casual" tag.
@26:00 I don't know if Buildzoid realizes it, but I'm pretty sure that he is describing the "X300" series of motherboards. It was a chipset-less board spec that AMD announced before Ryzen 1000 released (if I remember correctly, it was like 2016). It, and "A300", were supposed to be the spec for ITX boards. I guess that board makers decided not to use it, though, because it's easier to sell a board with a recognizable chipset name like X370 or X570. I was really disappointed when nobody did anything with it.
I don't care is a long video, I can whatch any longer you want. Love your channel
Wow good timing on the upload lol a buildzoid X570 ramble is just what I need
The only youtuber who will tell viewers if they arent overclockers to go F*%# off from his videos. Haha. I'll still stick around like a bad fly.
He just said "normies, get out!" in tech.
I swear i might be a casual who watches your videos and likes them every time you upload one, but I gain more knowledge from your videos then 95% of the other youtuber's who just rinse and repeat everything the motherboard has that is stated online or in the manual. Definitely waiting on your review of the x570 motherboards and new AMD chipsets before I do any upgrading! IMO you deserve a lot more then 63k subs. Amazing channel and amazing content! Cheers
Please update something like this video but for AMD 5000 and Radeon 6000 :)
A recommendation for motherboard and RAM would be super.
im a filthy casual without even a desktop tower AND I SHALL NOT LEAVE, i love learning the inside of things and your ramblings give just that and things that i had overlook before
01:20 "If you are not an overclocker ... leave, you dirty casuals"
14:21 "Unless you are doing manual overclocking ..."
Wait, what? Does hardcore overclockers generally use XMP profiles? :D
I considered myself casual, and even I overclock my memory manually.
I mean Im still on an AM3+ system and having it overclocked wont make me a casual? Alright :D
@@Chuckiele I accidentally overclocked my first AthlonXP build by setting the FSB jumpers to 400 instead of 333. I realized it when I bought a Barton few years ago.
at least you are not dirty :D
This videp was actually great! You addressed some questions I had regarding IF and the half speed thing
this casual just learned i don't have to get an x570
I'll try my dirty cheap Asus B350m first.....
@@oscarjung5405 Worst thing that can happen is your VRMs blow up taking the CPU with it.
DO NOT PURCHASE ANYTHING OVER 8 CORES WITH THAT MOTHERBOARD!
@@oscarjung5405 I would like to swap my 1600X for a 3600X on my TUFB350M. Here's hoping ASUS will help us out. First gen to third gen looks like it will be worth the money.
@@LaughingOrange I agree. Any Bxxx with a 4 phase vrm is better kept down to a 95 watt 6 core.
Do not apologize we enjoy your rambling
You're awesome .. i get more sensible info from your ramblings than anywhere else. I am not a hardcore overclocker @1:30, but I refuse to go away. I am hardcore staying .. ;-)
I was a level 99 Dirty Casual, and after this video I am now a lvl 1 Casual Overcloker.
m >^ w ^< m
You mentioned it was going to be a disaster of a video, but I was disappointed that the video is incredibly insightful and with sensible reasoning. I hope these Zen 2 chips overclock really high!
ASRock X370 Killer SLI and Gaming K4 were cancelled.
yeah.... this dude is "dirty casual" at making disaster videos.
Very interesting funfact:
the x570 chipset is identical to the io-die on the 3000 series ryzen cpus
for the first batch, the x570 chipset will be in glofo 14nm and the io-die in 12nm, but they use the exact same mask
brings interesting posibilitys like 4 extra pcie lanes from the chipset(probably locked for power reasons) and fully functional ram controller, could be used for ram cashing your ssds (if a board vendor would implement that and amd allows it of course)
I couldn't get to sleep either! Thanks for the rambling!
5:50 AM here been up all night. Only got 2 hours sleep 9-11. Said to hell with it and just now made a pot of coffee.
Note that many B450 and X470 boards don't have bios flashback, so better check that before buying an old board for Zen 2 CPUs.
Also the X570 chipset is apparently 3rd gen Ryzen's I/O die, just features enabled and disabled :P
Why can't I just update the bios with my first gen chip and then plug 3rd gen in?
@@123b3n123 I'd talking about those without older Ryzen chips
A300 and AX300 (never used) were non-chipset options... I think. IDK at this point.
Yes, it looks like the A300 chipset (used in the ASRock A300M-STX) is a 'empty' chipset without any chipset capabilities.
@@papal1ef Oh, so that's how they make the Deskmini A300 cost $150.
And now they're going to make an X300 one. Hmmm...
I don’t do over clocking but i am a gamer and pc expert and i love to learn and keep my info refreshed and up to date
Now I'm super torn between the x570 and x470 for the 3900x
If you fine a killer deal on a x470 that has good power rails, then get that. If prices don't move , get a 570
the x570 chipset and the io die are the same silicon (the chipset is 14nm, the io die is 12nm) with features enabled/disabled for what the silicon is used for
@7:00 -ish isn't the 14nm IO chiplet consuming more power due to the pci-e 4 and extra usb 3.1 gen 2 stuff? You get less power per core, but that's offset by the io chiplet
@26:00 I don't think it's possible to make them without chipset, due to bios and some stuff that's still in chipset... they could make something like A300 chipset, minimal.
I'm perplexed, I spent the most money I've ever spent on a motherboard, and finally got myself a Crosshair VII Hero for my 2700x, finally got my Trident Z ram to run at 3400mhz @ 16-16-16-32-48 stable for everyday use, and now i'm back to being a budget build, WTF!!!!! Dirty casual!! I learned everything I know about overclocking from the Zoid, keep rambling please!!!!
Praise the zoid, for he bestows knowledge upon us
Asrock had the X370 Gaming K4. That thing was kinda crippled for memory clocks. I had one and it was so bad that even bog standard DDR4-2400 DIMMS rated at 1.2 V wouldn't run stable at that voltage. It required 50mV extra in order to not crash. I could get a 3200 MHz kit stable at only 2866 at 1.4 V.
The Gaming K4 got cancelled quite early on and was replaced by the Gaming X, visually the same but with some fixes applied to memory compatibility.
You are not alone buddy. Its 5am and I can not sleep either. What a pleasant surprise to have something from you, fresh off the press.
Love these vids ! insightful !
Don't forget that the Infinity Fabric has also doubled in performance for the Zen 2 Microarchitecture as it is now based on PCIe 4.0, so the 2:1 Mode caused by very high memory speeds only takes the effective speed back to that of past Zen designs. There are so many changes to the overall design that the true outcome is only going to be seen from real life testing a good few months after release as code for the BIOS and OS catch up.
I'm not an overclocker. I watch these vids because you actually talk about the electrics behind everything. Not just the x gigahertz this y gigahertz that. I want to know the why as much as the what when it comes to functionality.
Also, beautiful rambling
PCIE 4.0 is like 4k without no 4k content xD to use it with
I am glad you made this video. Shows us not to waste money on features we can't use for a good while.
Thanks for making this sleep deprived video. With this and your best ryzen Mobo video, I feel like anyone can pick good parts. I just got a x470 gaming plus msi board at a killer deal (bought because of your vid) and now I think I get the 3700x now instead of the 3600.
G'day Buildzoid,
No wonder you couldn't sleep at the start of the video you were talking so fast my speakers had trouble keeping up,
when i was looking at upgrading to AM4 I checked out your comparison video & chose a MSI B450M Mortar & for a CPU I went with a R5 1400 (2nd hand) to be ready for Zen 2, I am hoping to get a R7 3700X as an upgrade,
also I had never overclocked a CPU but after watching your channel, G/N Steve, Bearded Hardware, Hardware Unboxed & JayzTwoCents, I got game & have my R5 running at 3700MHz, still gotta get a bit more confident with my 1080Ti Gaming X, So I have gotten a EVGA z68 SLI Micro a i5-2500K & an EVGA GTX760 to 'play' with
I am a dirty casual and I didn’t stop watching Buildzoid videos.
We need these shirts on teespring now
I'm glad you talked about the x570 motherboards and their increased price. It has been one thing that has been bothering me since I have not seen a lot of news on the price of the x570 boards, other than that they are going to be costing more. I hope the b550 boards will be at a more affordable price when they release.
Every video, apologizes for rambling. Every video, comments saying "We come for the rambling".
Has Buildzoid discussed the significance of the power supply and where the point of diminishing returns are in his opinion? I know the efficiency ratings are kind of BS after a certain point, but take for example a Seasonic Focus Gold vs Seasonic Prime Gold. Would the slightly cleaner power delivery of the Prime ever be significant, or are they effectively equal in terms of performance when overclocking?
"you dirty casuals" best thing ive heard ever
Lmao "this card does not care about your leadership" that's my favorite quote since watching computer videos.
I enjoy listening to you, no need to be a shorter video, keep going
Buildzoid you keep rambling , its great ;)
17:10 Anandtech used to make memory scaling tests every now and then.
Nice one Buildzoid, you have just confirmed my purchasing decisions. I have bought this week a used X470-F for £111 and 3600c18 g.skills 2x8gb for £130, now i am waiting for the overclocking difference in day one reviews between 3700x and 3800x to finish my upgrade from 1500x on b350m-a with 3000c15 2x8gb vengeance kit. I will finaly be able to join the rest dissing vega64s as it will be my bottleneck after upgrade isntead of my cheap cpu...
18:23 Biuldzoid didn't know it back then, but he's talking about MSI's X570 Gaming Edge :)
About running IF at 1:2 ratio, if i remember correctly, AMD actually doubled IF badwidth, and then you have 2 chips connected to the MC, if the IF band doesn't actually split you still have the same MC/core and core/core bandwidth of ryzen+, so it might be that much of a problem in less latency-sensitive workloads
Buildzoid analysis is best start of any day.
I have a X470 Taichi. I think I'm good for 12 cores
The better AM4 socket mobos have the same 8 phase VRM on their X399 board made for 14nm 8/12/16 core first gen Threadrippers. I don't know why they power a 7nm ZEN2 12 core Ryzen.
Watching this video, and remembering what you said about not being able to ramble on and on and on on the GN videos.... Yeah... This is that, alright. Love It.
I want to do a 12 core 3900X. I want to overclock. I will be keeping my Samsung Bdie RAM with 3200mhz and tight timings. Should I wait for X570?
Update, I have an X370 Taichi with a 1700X. I want a 3900x or 3800x. X570 worth it or no?
Buildzoid, have you heard about any x570 Motherboards equipped with a PCIe switch? Microsemi makes one but my google search skills doesn't come up with more than its existence. Asus' WS X570-ACE is interesting with the x8/x8/x8 option without a switch.
I wonder if MindBlank Tech will make some memory timing videos for Zen 2.
Most informative x570 video ramble out there. The pricing of x570 is pushing me towards getting an x470 board the most, but it helps to have other info as well that makes a case for x470 for me. Price is the biggest factor though for my choice between x470 and x570. Have specific boards in mind already just need the pricing.
Small form factor enthusiasts' pulses spiked as soon as you started talking about a mini-ITX board with the chipset and all of the extra bells and whistles they could never fit stripped away.
It would interest me but I, too, am a sucker for having a bunch of USB ports.
What about X370 for Ryzen 3000? I have a Crosshair VI Hero.
One chart I saw had everything but the B350 boards listed as an upgrade to the bios. I don't know when.
I am not an anything, but for 15:04 and 21:05 the obvious thought would be ratios closer than 2:1 (x0.5). Like 3:2 (1.5:1, or x0.65/0.667 multiplier)... or for something that works out cleanly, 5:4 (x0.8 multiplier) especially at not-too-high of frequencies. That is, assuming the IF can do that, the ratio not being some low-level mode.
dirty casual and proud of it ... still i like to get decent boards and this channel is the one with the best info on vrm out there as far as i can judge.
also i love rambling videos for some strange reason ...
4:46 "I like my storage like I like my women..."
Does the PCI-E 4.0 affect crossfire at all? Said one card couldn't even really saturate 3.0 but will the increased speed allow for better crossfire/sli use?
One card doesn't saturate 3.0 x8. You could run crossfire in 4x/4x(you do need 5700(xt)) and leave the rest for NVMes and stuff, maybe a soundcard, video capture card or whatever.
I've only ever used a b350 board. Is per core overclocking a thing now on the x470 or x570 boards? I was expecting that to be much improved on the x570 boards. Isn't that a a reason to buy x570? 4.4GHz all core is nice, but being able to push that single core to 4.7GHz would be even better.
Buildzoid is like that time when you're too excited to sleep because your class is going on a field trip tomorrow.
Dirty casual checking in, I think the hardcore overclocking means dump LN2 onto my motherboard right?
If you min max for gaming, then you go for the 6 core and you overclock it. Pretty much the same performance per clock in gaming.
The next gen consoles are 8-core zen2. Multiplatform games would be optimised to run on 8 threads.
Good job you inddeed.
I want x570 m-itx for it's dual M.2 slots.
To me, this is an extremely interesting video. I am in the process of planning my next build as my previous build is already 6 years old, 5 if you count the GPU upgrade. I was initially disappointed by the lack of micro ATX x470/x570 boards, but if I understand you correctly there are b450 micro ATX motherboards that can handle the Ryzen 7 3700X or 3800X and DDR4 3600MHz or 3733MHz. Which ones would you actually recommend for such a build?
Same situation as you and also looking for micro ATX x570 but after hearing his rumble about the only mATX x570 by Asrock being crap.. Looks likes we don't haven't a good mATX x570 option.
Could anyone advise on a good x470/B450 mATX board?
How do you feel on memory overclocking with Crosshair 7 hero? Was looking for x570, but i think crosshair 7 will be enough for me. (i really like the temp probe and pump headers)
You still need chipset for things like USB and Sata, might actually work if you use NVME only for storage and no USB....perhaps usb controller on I/O die?
Love your videos! :)
WHy would you build a computer only for the present moment? As you said the next gen Nvidia cards might be able to use PCIe gen 4 x8 next year...
It would be cheaper to buy a X570 board now instead of buying a cheaper mobo and then having to upgrade again if you decided to go for a PCIE 4.0 GPU a year or two later.
Then again the performance difference of a PCIE 4.0 GPU running at 3.0 speeds will probably be only 2-4% difference but I like getting max performance and don't care about price to performance that much. Give me all the FPS.
@@Old_Ladies It seems you do not get any increase in FPS at all! But yes! "Why not" go for a board that lasts longer! A cheaper board might end up being more expensive! You might not know what you are doing in 2 years time and how you use your computer! :)
@@chrisbenn Well you wouldn't get any performance boost using a PCIE 3.0 card on PCIE 4.0 but a PCIE 4.0 card should get a very small performance boost using PCIE 4.0 over 3.0. like less than 2%. So in most cases it will be less than 1FPS increase unless you already are running at over 100FPS already in which case you don't need the extra performance of 1-2 FPS.
I am an enthusiast so I like to get all the performance I can get at 24/7 stability.
I like your sleep deprived videos
BZ rambles about X570 cannot sleep...(the itch to talk about X570) I cannot sleep proceeds to watch instead of trying to go back to sleep :)
What if you have a X370 motherboard?
thanks for your video...it's really save me a tons of money...
*@**16:36* _"Hi Memory speeds, generally, don't play well with high memory density"_ *16:36*
Interesting observation. Does this apply as a general rule, or do you mean limited in scope to either overclocked RAM, or CPU and or Chipset combo etc??
What Are the Stages of Grief? Denial, Anger,Bargaining,Depression, Rambling. 9900K leaves chat.
the video might have been made while sleep deprived, but it still makes a lot of sense 😀
does pci-e 4.0 affect lanes available? eg the x570 WS board from Asus that has three 8x slots.
any explanation?
Your third 8X slot comes off your PCH. Or it's 8X 8X 4X with 4 lanes on the last slot off the PCH added to make it 3 8X. If you need 16X 8X 16X 8X and three M.2 4X sockets get the Threadripper. There are 40 cpu lanes on AM4. 24 go to the PCH. 12 USB 3.0, 4 USB 2.0 and 4 + 4 + 4 for SATA ports. That only leaves 16 for your PCIe sockets.
X570 makes sense because Chip to processor is PCI E 4.0 x4 instead of 3.0 x4. For SSDs at least for me, More faster USB connection on the IO and also for the frontpanels.
I'm planning on picking up a 3950x and slapping a NH-D15 on it (ie. No exotic cooling). Do you think the 12+2 phase on the Aorus Master will get me by?
I'm casual AF; watching your channel to learn.
OK so i am confused...... What if i have an Asus x470 crosshair or an Asus x470 strix both of those boards have really good VRM , 10 and 8 phase. Are those not enough to run a 3900x for example?. An entry level x570 have the same vrm and in some cases even worse . Why do i "need" a x570 motherboard to run a 12/16 core if i have a really really high end x470 board?
You don't - keep your 8 or 10 phase motherboard. BZ is making generalized statements because most X470 owners don't have boards that have such a high end 470. You're fine even with the 16 core if you don't want the "latest & greatest" board
@Buildzoid, you did not address whether or not motherboards with a T topology can handle 3600 MT/s without problems. Some of the motherboards with the best VRM's have a T topology to support more modules better but at the cost of the clock frequency for 2 modules. You might not need that more powerful VRM for the 3700X but you might need it for a 12C/16C which get or have gotten a steep discount and those X470 motherboards are discounted strongly like the X370 Taichi which costs only €169 at the moment.
I'm going for 3900X and planning to keep the PC for at least 5 years with just GPU upgrades... I know I don't NEED X570 but somehow I think I should go for it...
I don't need to upgrade my 8700k system but I sure as shit am.. I don't need x570 either but am getting it lol.
@@tobybowers6990 Weeeeellll I kinda HAVE to upgrade my i7 930... yeah....
Interesting video . thanks! I'm in the process of buying parts for my build. I'm waiting on the new Ryzen 3000 chips! My question is , would it be worth buying a higher end x470 or a lower end x570 to over clock the cpu (with an AIO) . If the x470's can over clock these chips then I might as well save some money , as I can't see myself making use of PCIE 4. hmmm ...what to do . These new x570's seem a little over priced just for the heck of it to me.
im no overclocker, ill lead peasant uprising to overthrow your tyranical rule
If you look at the ASRock Deskmini A300, there is actually a Board without any Chipset for Ryzen. Just also without any normal PCIe slots, so it is only usable for APUs. Very Small and much cheaper than going ITX or mATX for your APU though.
The fact that I am a dirt casual is exactly why I'm here boi
Are they releasing non-X variants for these chips? I can do the overclocking myself if I can save a bit, I’d really prefer an R9 3900 to a R7 3800X.