To be fair, stupid thing to say really... Some people still like to watch who don't overclock. Like saying oh, you don't own a hyper car. Why the heck you watching amazing videos on hyper cars? LEAVE Think before you speak...
@@newfan55555555555555 To be fair, don't be so sensitive. And your analogy is shit. Here's a better one. If you have never changed the oil in your car, and never plan to, it wouldn't make sense for you to watch videos about it. I'm a professional mechanic. Trust me. The filthy normies that don't know what they're talking about but try to quote MCM bullshit to me are disgusting examples of humanity that should be taken out back and shot. Most people that watch yt are nobodies that will never climb out of the safe little box in front of their screen and actually DO the things they watch. Don't be a pussy. Restart your computer and hit delete. Change some stuff and see how it reacts. Rinse and repeat. You should find a good setup within a day or so, maybe a week depending on how far you want to push it.
What does he call a workstation pc builder that only listens to gamer and O/Cer channels to find out what new equipment is on the market? Please don't tell him that I don't own a single game!
How many of those are exclusive to intel? Especially now that AMD is _finally_ implementing multichannel hyper-threading and implementing fake cores like Intel rather than just have physical cores only. You are taking Brand less likely to be affected than intel, and turning the headline into INTEL is the only processor brand affected
@@czdaniel1 Well, as far as I'm aware, AMD is doing the hyperthreading differently from Intel. As far as exclusivity goes, Meltdown is exclusive to Intel, Spectre can affect some AMD CPUs as well as ARM CPUs, and ZombieLoad is exclusive to Intel and their hyperthreading implementation.
Guess a B450/X470 revisit video would be a good follow up to this, now that such ecosystems are pretty mature it would be nice to hear which boards would you recommend.
I think he's talking of that as the starting point. Check out www.techpowerup.com/256443/alleged-asus-amd-x570-motherboard-price-list-paints-a-horror-story , yeah it's a rumour page I get that BUT I expected this gouging from AMD to happen with Ryzen 4xxx. AMD have to do it to make some serious money while they can. AMD are doing exactly the same as Intel with its Z370.
rawdez I’m talking about the prices abroad I live in Jordan where taxes are too damn high hence why a b450 costs 150$ here Oh and there are no online shops locally and if you buy from abroad you will get taxed
In fact, it was the idea in the first presentation of Zen: The chipset was just an I/O extension of the SoC. But during development they decided to go the Intel way and do some OC-locked B320 and A300 to please OEMs.
I swear i might be a casual who watches your videos and likes them every time you upload one, but I gain more knowledge from your videos then 95% of the other youtuber's who just rinse and repeat everything the motherboard has that is stated online or in the manual. Definitely waiting on your review of the x570 motherboards and new AMD chipsets before I do any upgrading! IMO you deserve a lot more then 63k subs. Amazing channel and amazing content! Cheers
im a filthy casual without even a desktop tower AND I SHALL NOT LEAVE, i love learning the inside of things and your ramblings give just that and things that i had overlook before
You mentioned it was going to be a disaster of a video, but I was disappointed that the video is incredibly insightful and with sensible reasoning. I hope these Zen 2 chips overclock really high! ASRock X370 Killer SLI and Gaming K4 were cancelled.
Very interesting funfact: the x570 chipset is identical to the io-die on the 3000 series ryzen cpus for the first batch, the x570 chipset will be in glofo 14nm and the io-die in 12nm, but they use the exact same mask brings interesting posibilitys like 4 extra pcie lanes from the chipset(probably locked for power reasons) and fully functional ram controller, could be used for ram cashing your ssds (if a board vendor would implement that and amd allows it of course)
@26:00 I don't know if Buildzoid realizes it, but I'm pretty sure that he is describing the "X300" series of motherboards. It was a chipset-less board spec that AMD announced before Ryzen 1000 released (if I remember correctly, it was like 2016). It, and "A300", were supposed to be the spec for ITX boards. I guess that board makers decided not to use it, though, because it's easier to sell a board with a recognizable chipset name like X370 or X570. I was really disappointed when nobody did anything with it.
Note that many B450 and X470 boards don't have bios flashback, so better check that before buying an old board for Zen 2 CPUs. Also the X570 chipset is apparently 3rd gen Ryzen's I/O die, just features enabled and disabled :P
01:20 "If you are not an overclocker ... leave, you dirty casuals" 14:21 "Unless you are doing manual overclocking ..." Wait, what? Does hardcore overclockers generally use XMP profiles? :D I considered myself casual, and even I overclock my memory manually.
@@Chuckiele I accidentally overclocked my first AthlonXP build by setting the FSB jumpers to 400 instead of 333. I realized it when I bought a Barton few years ago.
You're awesome .. i get more sensible info from your ramblings than anywhere else. I am not a hardcore overclocker @1:30, but I refuse to go away. I am hardcore staying .. ;-)
X570 makes sense because Chip to processor is PCI E 4.0 x4 instead of 3.0 x4. For SSDs at least for me, More faster USB connection on the IO and also for the frontpanels.
I'm perplexed, I spent the most money I've ever spent on a motherboard, and finally got myself a Crosshair VII Hero for my 2700x, finally got my Trident Z ram to run at 3400mhz @ 16-16-16-32-48 stable for everyday use, and now i'm back to being a budget build, WTF!!!!! Dirty casual!! I learned everything I know about overclocking from the Zoid, keep rambling please!!!!
Asrock had the X370 Gaming K4. That thing was kinda crippled for memory clocks. I had one and it was so bad that even bog standard DDR4-2400 DIMMS rated at 1.2 V wouldn't run stable at that voltage. It required 50mV extra in order to not crash. I could get a 3200 MHz kit stable at only 2866 at 1.4 V. The Gaming K4 got cancelled quite early on and was replaced by the Gaming X, visually the same but with some fixes applied to memory compatibility.
I'm not an overclocker. I watch these vids because you actually talk about the electrics behind everything. Not just the x gigahertz this y gigahertz that. I want to know the why as much as the what when it comes to functionality.
I'm getting more and more satisfied with my decision to low ball it with the 2600 and pair it with a strix x470 and 1080 ti. Definitely rocking a 3700x when I'm ready.
Don't forget that the Infinity Fabric has also doubled in performance for the Zen 2 Microarchitecture as it is now based on PCIe 4.0, so the 2:1 Mode caused by very high memory speeds only takes the effective speed back to that of past Zen designs. There are so many changes to the overall design that the true outcome is only going to be seen from real life testing a good few months after release as code for the BIOS and OS catch up.
I'm glad you talked about the x570 motherboards and their increased price. It has been one thing that has been bothering me since I have not seen a lot of news on the price of the x570 boards, other than that they are going to be costing more. I hope the b550 boards will be at a more affordable price when they release.
G'day Buildzoid, No wonder you couldn't sleep at the start of the video you were talking so fast my speakers had trouble keeping up, when i was looking at upgrading to AM4 I checked out your comparison video & chose a MSI B450M Mortar & for a CPU I went with a R5 1400 (2nd hand) to be ready for Zen 2, I am hoping to get a R7 3700X as an upgrade, also I had never overclocked a CPU but after watching your channel, G/N Steve, Bearded Hardware, Hardware Unboxed & JayzTwoCents, I got game & have my R5 running at 3700MHz, still gotta get a bit more confident with my 1080Ti Gaming X, So I have gotten a EVGA z68 SLI Micro a i5-2500K & an EVGA GTX760 to 'play' with
The better AM4 socket mobos have the same 8 phase VRM on their X399 board made for 14nm 8/12/16 core first gen Threadrippers. I don't know why they power a 7nm ZEN2 12 core Ryzen.
Nice one Buildzoid, you have just confirmed my purchasing decisions. I have bought this week a used X470-F for £111 and 3600c18 g.skills 2x8gb for £130, now i am waiting for the overclocking difference in day one reviews between 3700x and 3800x to finish my upgrade from 1500x on b350m-a with 3000c15 2x8gb vengeance kit. I will finaly be able to join the rest dissing vega64s as it will be my bottleneck after upgrade isntead of my cheap cpu...
the x570 chipset and the io die are the same silicon (the chipset is 14nm, the io die is 12nm) with features enabled/disabled for what the silicon is used for
Small form factor enthusiasts' pulses spiked as soon as you started talking about a mini-ITX board with the chipset and all of the extra bells and whistles they could never fit stripped away. It would interest me but I, too, am a sucker for having a bunch of USB ports.
Hey I take offensive to the filthy casual thing /s But yeah, I use your opinions on boards to help make sure I have the best recommendations for my clients. I even picked out my motherboard because of your deep dives on b450
@@oscarjung5405 I would like to swap my 1600X for a 3600X on my TUFB350M. Here's hoping ASUS will help us out. First gen to third gen looks like it will be worth the money.
About running IF at 1:2 ratio, if i remember correctly, AMD actually doubled IF badwidth, and then you have 2 chips connected to the MC, if the IF band doesn't actually split you still have the same MC/core and core/core bandwidth of ryzen+, so it might be that much of a problem in less latency-sensitive workloads
I'm going for 3900X and planning to keep the PC for at least 5 years with just GPU upgrades... I know I don't NEED X570 but somehow I think I should go for it...
Just woke up, seen Buildzoid had a new video, Smiled, seen said video was about X570, Instantly rocketed to the kitechen grabbed the Frito Lay's Jalapeno Cheddar dip, and the Spicy Sweet Chili Doritos, cracked open the sauce, played the video, before I was even done licking the sauce off the lid I heard "You dirty casuals" paused, and liked the video and dropped this comment lol
I work for an ISP and seeing where internet speeds are going in the next two years I'm going for X570 just for 10 gig LAN and WiFi 6. The premium on an X570 board is still cheaper than buying a good 10 gig card and a WiFi 6 card.
I don't know why you would want to have a WiFi on a motherboard if you can attach it directly, esp. to a 10 Gbps LAN. Same goes the other way around (typically laptops don't even have LAN ports anymore, because no one tethers them, and that makes sense). Also, you can get a used 10 Gbps LAN card for peanuts nowadays. 1/10th of a cost of a new motherboard. If I wanted to switch from Intel to AMD, then yes, I would need a new board completely and would seek out boards with 10 gig NICs, sure. But it makes absolutely no sense to upgrade if you already have B450 or whatever with a spare x4 slot for a card. Unless you enjoy having 30 mm squeeky fan on your motherboard. Then yes, there's no other option than X570 ;)
@@--Lam I agree that it wouldn't make sense to upgrade from a B450 board. I would only go X570 if you're new to AM4 or are going to get the 12 or 16 core. I'm upgrading from AM3+ and will get either the 12 or 16 core, depending on bench results after the embargo lifts, so I fall into both anyway and I just like having expensive toys lol.
Most informative x570 video ramble out there. The pricing of x570 is pushing me towards getting an x470 board the most, but it helps to have other info as well that makes a case for x470 for me. Price is the biggest factor though for my choice between x470 and x570. Have specific boards in mind already just need the pricing.
PCIe 4.0 can be an interesting selling point imho, for example: - if you don't upgrade your CPU+Motherboard as often as you upgrade your GPU, - if you don't upgrade your CPU+Motherboard synchronously with your GPU, - etc. Say you're still rocking a 4790K. And you are really interested in a Ryzen 3000 series CPU for an upgrade, but that 1080 or 1080Ti you're rocking will do fine until at least the next generation GPU's by Nvidia or AMD. Then you might want to take PCIe 4.0 into account, since a future GPU will probably support it and might actually benefit from it. Whether that makes it worth the price and whether that makes it worth dealing with those lousy little chipset fans which come with x570, I don't know.
Watching this video, and remembering what you said about not being able to ramble on and on and on on the GN videos.... Yeah... This is that, alright. Love It.
So basically at some point after Ryzen 3000 Series release, look out for X470s of the higher end going on discount and just grab one of those unless you really, really -really- want a X570 mobo
Actually, IF width was doubled in Zen 2, so it won't be bottlenecking the RAM. Latency will increase, but if you look at the numbers that the memory calculator by looncraz shows, it'd be circa 3-4 ns (aka not that much). Also, we don't really know how HUEG cache will influence the performance (and apparently, if you look at the latency ladders in geekbench/openbench, it seems intra-ccx latency is somewhat better now than in zen/zen+
The more i want his video the more i think he smokes weed before he films these videos, his mind is all over the joint. Just buy what ever you like and suits your budget, if you got money to splash buy what ever board you like.
Thanks for making this sleep deprived video. With this and your best ryzen Mobo video, I feel like anyone can pick good parts. I just got a x470 gaming plus msi board at a killer deal (bought because of your vid) and now I think I get the 3700x now instead of the 3600.
Can also confirm the Asus X370-i does do 3600mhz (and presumre the x470 variant as well). Asus Zenith Extreme also does 3600mhz as long as you only run 4x dimms. 8x dimms I can only manage 2933 stable. Everything up to 3533mhz is unstable, and any speed after that results in motherboard failure to boot the memory.
I am not an anything, but for 15:04 and 21:05 the obvious thought would be ratios closer than 2:1 (x0.5). Like 3:2 (1.5:1, or x0.65/0.667 multiplier)... or for something that works out cleanly, 5:4 (x0.8 multiplier) especially at not-too-high of frequencies. That is, assuming the IF can do that, the ratio not being some low-level mode.
dirty casual and proud of it ... still i like to get decent boards and this channel is the one with the best info on vrm out there as far as i can judge. also i love rambling videos for some strange reason ...
Actually Hardcore Overclocking Honestly...if sleep deprived or not...I guess everyone on this channel is waiting for your x570 guide anyways...and yes I would like that fully comprehensive one where you comment on every single board :P
I mean, these new game consoles from Microsoft and Sony coming are basically going to be using 4.0 SSD's and they claim huge improvements in loading times. Idk if those are specific optimizations to take advantage of that (probably) but if so, hopefully those game optimizations for loading on really fast storage will be in PC versions of games too.
I am what you call a dirty casual, and I shall not leave. I enjoy these ramblings.
Congratulations by staying your level has gone up to not so casual.
Casuals UNITE!
Jan De Kock with our powers combined
Am a dirty casual. Just subscribed
Today I learned that I'm a dirty casual.Getting smarter every day.
Very dirty
Still here ?
Dirty dirty boy
I need a bath.
@@DNAReader of course I'm still here, trying to understand how much dirt I can sustain.
@1:20 I almost spit my coffee all over my keyboard. Always good to start the day with a laugh.
Think we can get Buildzoid to make a shirt with something like that on it? I'd buy one in a heartbeat
To be fair, stupid thing to say really... Some people still like to watch who don't overclock. Like saying oh, you don't own a hyper car. Why the heck you watching amazing videos on hyper cars? LEAVE Think before you speak...
@@actuallymediocreoverclocking I'd buy one for every day of the week.
@@newfan55555555555555 To be fair, don't be so sensitive. And your analogy is shit. Here's a better one. If you have never changed the oil in your car, and never plan to, it wouldn't make sense for you to watch videos about it. I'm a professional mechanic. Trust me. The filthy normies that don't know what they're talking about but try to quote MCM bullshit to me are disgusting examples of humanity that should be taken out back and shot. Most people that watch yt are nobodies that will never climb out of the safe little box in front of their screen and actually DO the things they watch. Don't be a pussy. Restart your computer and hit delete. Change some stuff and see how it reacts. Rinse and repeat. You should find a good setup within a day or so, maybe a week depending on how far you want to push it.
@@newfan55555555555555 It's so sad when people don't have a sense of humor.
1:30 I'm actually offended I feel called out
Good, you deserve it. Now use that and change yourself
Grow up and join us
Me too, but I'm trying over here.
I thought I had set the speed of your video to 1.25x speed. Nope! Just buildzoid sleep deprived.
GN style
Simple i am a Casual and its interests me what you say of the, for you, lower end Borads :P
the fuck is a borad you mong
What does he call a workstation pc builder that only listens to gamer and O/Cer channels to find out what new equipment is on the market? Please don't tell him that I don't own a single game!
Long Shlong English is not my Native Language and that was only a typo why so agressive?
@@PpVolto because Long Shlong superiority, you little pp
Borats?
As an electrical engineer that doesn't have much exposure to power delivery systems, I enjoy watching your videos to expand my knowledge of the craft.
1:21 ))
2:25 "AMD's knock-off 9900K"
*Spectre, Meltdown and ZombieLoad have entered the chat*
Amd beats intel the shit out it's not my opinion it's A FACT.
Llols!!😅😅😂😂🤣
ZombieLoad? Will ANTIFA be beating on my front door?
How many of those are exclusive to intel? Especially now that AMD is _finally_ implementing multichannel hyper-threading and implementing fake cores like Intel rather than just have physical cores only. You are taking Brand less likely to be affected than intel, and turning the headline into INTEL is the only processor brand affected
@@czdaniel1 Well, as far as I'm aware, AMD is doing the hyperthreading differently from Intel. As far as exclusivity goes, Meltdown is exclusive to Intel, Spectre can affect some AMD CPUs as well as ARM CPUs, and ZombieLoad is exclusive to Intel and their hyperthreading implementation.
Guess a B450/X470 revisit video would be a good follow up to this, now that such ecosystems are pretty mature it would be nice to hear which boards would you recommend.
maybe even include the most popular/best value X370 boards (like the Prime X370-Pro) for upgrader
>complains about x570 costing 150$
>looks at local retail prices : b450 is at least 130$
>cries in corner
there is that thing that was invented in the previous century called "internet". you can buy stuff there.
I think he's talking of that as the starting point. Check out www.techpowerup.com/256443/alleged-asus-amd-x570-motherboard-price-list-paints-a-horror-story , yeah it's a rumour page I get that BUT I expected this gouging from AMD to happen with Ryzen 4xxx. AMD have to do it to make some serious money while they can. AMD are doing exactly the same as Intel with its Z370.
rawdez I’m talking about the prices abroad
I live in Jordan where taxes are too damn high hence why a b450 costs 150$ here
Oh and there are no online shops locally and if you buy from abroad you will get taxed
@@Juanguar damn. I guess you have to move to a better country then if you want better prices.
Practically only the US enjoy these "cheap" MSRP prices for any electronic products, everywhere else must pay at least 20% extra at minimum.
Nobody:
Buildzoid: What if we just removed the chipset?
In fact, it was the idea in the first presentation of Zen: The chipset was just an I/O extension of the SoC. But during development they decided to go the Intel way and do some OC-locked B320 and A300 to please OEMs.
> 20 min guys, tired BZ best BZ !
Dis gona b gud!
i thought that my YT was 1.5x
@@MiriadCalibrumAstar hahahahaha
1:20 Dirty casual here since 2017, refusing to leave. Deal with it. =)
Its the only way to learn and kick the "Dirty casual" tag.
1:18 "I just assume if you're here you're an overclocker and if you're not LEAVE you dirty casuals..." HAHAHAHAHAHA! LOL!
He was joking,right???'cause a bunch of us feel offended!!!
@@khoabui7766 ofc..feel the irony please 🙂
I do love how tired you sound at the end, A+
Ty for your opinioms and insights
I don't care is a long video, I can whatch any longer you want. Love your channel
The only youtuber who will tell viewers if they arent overclockers to go F*%# off from his videos. Haha. I'll still stick around like a bad fly.
He just said "normies, get out!" in tech.
I swear i might be a casual who watches your videos and likes them every time you upload one, but I gain more knowledge from your videos then 95% of the other youtuber's who just rinse and repeat everything the motherboard has that is stated online or in the manual. Definitely waiting on your review of the x570 motherboards and new AMD chipsets before I do any upgrading! IMO you deserve a lot more then 63k subs. Amazing channel and amazing content! Cheers
So far 8 filthy casuals have watched this vid.
Keep up the good work Buildzoid I learn a ton from everything you do.
29 dirty casuals and counting
im a filthy casual without even a desktop tower AND I SHALL NOT LEAVE, i love learning the inside of things and your ramblings give just that and things that i had overlook before
Wow good timing on the upload lol a buildzoid X570 ramble is just what I need
I was a level 99 Dirty Casual, and after this video I am now a lvl 1 Casual Overcloker.
m >^ w ^< m
You mentioned it was going to be a disaster of a video, but I was disappointed that the video is incredibly insightful and with sensible reasoning. I hope these Zen 2 chips overclock really high!
ASRock X370 Killer SLI and Gaming K4 were cancelled.
yeah.... this dude is "dirty casual" at making disaster videos.
I couldn't get to sleep either! Thanks for the rambling!
5:50 AM here been up all night. Only got 2 hours sleep 9-11. Said to hell with it and just now made a pot of coffee.
Do not apologize we enjoy your rambling
Very interesting funfact:
the x570 chipset is identical to the io-die on the 3000 series ryzen cpus
for the first batch, the x570 chipset will be in glofo 14nm and the io-die in 12nm, but they use the exact same mask
brings interesting posibilitys like 4 extra pcie lanes from the chipset(probably locked for power reasons) and fully functional ram controller, could be used for ram cashing your ssds (if a board vendor would implement that and amd allows it of course)
@26:00 I don't know if Buildzoid realizes it, but I'm pretty sure that he is describing the "X300" series of motherboards. It was a chipset-less board spec that AMD announced before Ryzen 1000 released (if I remember correctly, it was like 2016). It, and "A300", were supposed to be the spec for ITX boards. I guess that board makers decided not to use it, though, because it's easier to sell a board with a recognizable chipset name like X370 or X570. I was really disappointed when nobody did anything with it.
Note that many B450 and X470 boards don't have bios flashback, so better check that before buying an old board for Zen 2 CPUs.
Also the X570 chipset is apparently 3rd gen Ryzen's I/O die, just features enabled and disabled :P
Why can't I just update the bios with my first gen chip and then plug 3rd gen in?
@@123b3n123 I'd talking about those without older Ryzen chips
I don’t do over clocking but i am a gamer and pc expert and i love to learn and keep my info refreshed and up to date
01:20 "If you are not an overclocker ... leave, you dirty casuals"
14:21 "Unless you are doing manual overclocking ..."
Wait, what? Does hardcore overclockers generally use XMP profiles? :D
I considered myself casual, and even I overclock my memory manually.
I mean Im still on an AM3+ system and having it overclocked wont make me a casual? Alright :D
@@Chuckiele I accidentally overclocked my first AthlonXP build by setting the FSB jumpers to 400 instead of 333. I realized it when I bought a Barton few years ago.
at least you are not dirty :D
You're awesome .. i get more sensible info from your ramblings than anywhere else. I am not a hardcore overclocker @1:30, but I refuse to go away. I am hardcore staying .. ;-)
X570 makes sense because Chip to processor is PCI E 4.0 x4 instead of 3.0 x4. For SSDs at least for me, More faster USB connection on the IO and also for the frontpanels.
I am glad you made this video. Shows us not to waste money on features we can't use for a good while.
I'm perplexed, I spent the most money I've ever spent on a motherboard, and finally got myself a Crosshair VII Hero for my 2700x, finally got my Trident Z ram to run at 3400mhz @ 16-16-16-32-48 stable for everyday use, and now i'm back to being a budget build, WTF!!!!! Dirty casual!! I learned everything I know about overclocking from the Zoid, keep rambling please!!!!
Praise the zoid, for he bestows knowledge upon us
Asrock had the X370 Gaming K4. That thing was kinda crippled for memory clocks. I had one and it was so bad that even bog standard DDR4-2400 DIMMS rated at 1.2 V wouldn't run stable at that voltage. It required 50mV extra in order to not crash. I could get a 3200 MHz kit stable at only 2866 at 1.4 V.
The Gaming K4 got cancelled quite early on and was replaced by the Gaming X, visually the same but with some fixes applied to memory compatibility.
I'm not an overclocker. I watch these vids because you actually talk about the electrics behind everything. Not just the x gigahertz this y gigahertz that. I want to know the why as much as the what when it comes to functionality.
Also, beautiful rambling
I'm getting more and more satisfied with my decision to low ball it with the 2600 and pair it with a strix x470 and 1080 ti. Definitely rocking a 3700x when I'm ready.
Don't forget that the Infinity Fabric has also doubled in performance for the Zen 2 Microarchitecture as it is now based on PCIe 4.0, so the 2:1 Mode caused by very high memory speeds only takes the effective speed back to that of past Zen designs. There are so many changes to the overall design that the true outcome is only going to be seen from real life testing a good few months after release as code for the BIOS and OS catch up.
I am a dirty casual and I didn’t stop watching Buildzoid videos.
We need these shirts on teespring now
"you dirty casuals" best thing ive heard ever
This videp was actually great! You addressed some questions I had regarding IF and the half speed thing
PCIE 4.0 is like 4k without no 4k content xD to use it with
Every video, apologizes for rambling. Every video, comments saying "We come for the rambling".
I'm glad you talked about the x570 motherboards and their increased price. It has been one thing that has been bothering me since I have not seen a lot of news on the price of the x570 boards, other than that they are going to be costing more. I hope the b550 boards will be at a more affordable price when they release.
G'day Buildzoid,
No wonder you couldn't sleep at the start of the video you were talking so fast my speakers had trouble keeping up,
when i was looking at upgrading to AM4 I checked out your comparison video & chose a MSI B450M Mortar & for a CPU I went with a R5 1400 (2nd hand) to be ready for Zen 2, I am hoping to get a R7 3700X as an upgrade,
also I had never overclocked a CPU but after watching your channel, G/N Steve, Bearded Hardware, Hardware Unboxed & JayzTwoCents, I got game & have my R5 running at 3700MHz, still gotta get a bit more confident with my 1080Ti Gaming X, So I have gotten a EVGA z68 SLI Micro a i5-2500K & an EVGA GTX760 to 'play' with
I'm casual AF; watching your channel to learn.
A300 and AX300 (never used) were non-chipset options... I think. IDK at this point.
Yes, it looks like the A300 chipset (used in the ASRock A300M-STX) is a 'empty' chipset without any chipset capabilities.
@@papal1ef Oh, so that's how they make the Deskmini A300 cost $150.
And now they're going to make an X300 one. Hmmm...
Dirty Casual ... bloody hell for that you GET A SUB !!!
Some of your best videos are the impromptu ramblings.
I have a X470 Taichi. I think I'm good for 12 cores
The better AM4 socket mobos have the same 8 phase VRM on their X399 board made for 14nm 8/12/16 core first gen Threadrippers. I don't know why they power a 7nm ZEN2 12 core Ryzen.
I enjoy listening to you, no need to be a shorter video, keep going
You are not alone buddy. Its 5am and I can not sleep either. What a pleasant surprise to have something from you, fresh off the press.
Now I'm super torn between the x570 and x470 for the 3900x
If you fine a killer deal on a x470 that has good power rails, then get that. If prices don't move , get a 570
Lmao "this card does not care about your leadership" that's my favorite quote since watching computer videos.
What Are the Stages of Grief? Denial, Anger,Bargaining,Depression, Rambling. 9900K leaves chat.
Nice one Buildzoid, you have just confirmed my purchasing decisions. I have bought this week a used X470-F for £111 and 3600c18 g.skills 2x8gb for £130, now i am waiting for the overclocking difference in day one reviews between 3700x and 3800x to finish my upgrade from 1500x on b350m-a with 3000c15 2x8gb vengeance kit. I will finaly be able to join the rest dissing vega64s as it will be my bottleneck after upgrade isntead of my cheap cpu...
Casual gamer here :D I think I'll be alright with Ryzen 3700X stock, 3200MHz CL14 ram and X470-F Stryx mobo. I'll overclock later on when needed ^^
overclock to 3733mhz the ram and then take care of the timings.
the x570 chipset and the io die are the same silicon (the chipset is 14nm, the io die is 12nm) with features enabled/disabled for what the silicon is used for
Small form factor enthusiasts' pulses spiked as soon as you started talking about a mini-ITX board with the chipset and all of the extra bells and whistles they could never fit stripped away.
It would interest me but I, too, am a sucker for having a bunch of USB ports.
I want a t-shirt design with the quote "if you're not an overclooker, leave, you dirty casual"
BZ rambles about X570 cannot sleep...(the itch to talk about X570) I cannot sleep proceeds to watch instead of trying to go back to sleep :)
love the stripped out board idea
4:46 "I like my storage like I like my women..."
Hey I take offensive to the filthy casual thing /s
But yeah, I use your opinions on boards to help make sure I have the best recommendations for my clients. I even picked out my motherboard because of your deep dives on b450
this casual just learned i don't have to get an x570
I'll try my dirty cheap Asus B350m first.....
@@oscarjung5405 Worst thing that can happen is your VRMs blow up taking the CPU with it.
DO NOT PURCHASE ANYTHING OVER 8 CORES WITH THAT MOTHERBOARD!
@@oscarjung5405 I would like to swap my 1600X for a 3600X on my TUFB350M. Here's hoping ASUS will help us out. First gen to third gen looks like it will be worth the money.
@@LaughingOrange I agree. Any Bxxx with a 4 phase vrm is better kept down to a 95 watt 6 core.
The fact that I am a dirt casual is exactly why I'm here boi
B500 itx mobo?
Now it's my new dream
About running IF at 1:2 ratio, if i remember correctly, AMD actually doubled IF badwidth, and then you have 2 chips connected to the MC, if the IF band doesn't actually split you still have the same MC/core and core/core bandwidth of ryzen+, so it might be that much of a problem in less latency-sensitive workloads
I'm going for 3900X and planning to keep the PC for at least 5 years with just GPU upgrades... I know I don't NEED X570 but somehow I think I should go for it...
I don't need to upgrade my 8700k system but I sure as shit am.. I don't need x570 either but am getting it lol.
@@tobybowers6990 Weeeeellll I kinda HAVE to upgrade my i7 930... yeah....
I like your sleep deprived videos
x570 ix keeping buildzoid up at night
Just woke up, seen Buildzoid had a new video, Smiled, seen said video was about X570, Instantly rocketed to the kitechen grabbed the Frito Lay's Jalapeno Cheddar dip, and the Spicy Sweet Chili Doritos, cracked open the sauce, played the video, before I was even done licking the sauce off the lid I heard "You dirty casuals" paused, and liked the video and dropped this comment lol
I work for an ISP and seeing where internet speeds are going in the next two years I'm going for X570 just for 10 gig LAN and WiFi 6. The premium on an X570 board is still cheaper than buying a good 10 gig card and a WiFi 6 card.
I don't know why you would want to have a WiFi on a motherboard if you can attach it directly, esp. to a 10 Gbps LAN. Same goes the other way around (typically laptops don't even have LAN ports anymore, because no one tethers them, and that makes sense).
Also, you can get a used 10 Gbps LAN card for peanuts nowadays. 1/10th of a cost of a new motherboard.
If I wanted to switch from Intel to AMD, then yes, I would need a new board completely and would seek out boards with 10 gig NICs, sure. But it makes absolutely no sense to upgrade if you already have B450 or whatever with a spare x4 slot for a card.
Unless you enjoy having 30 mm squeeky fan on your motherboard. Then yes, there's no other option than X570 ;)
@@--Lam I agree that it wouldn't make sense to upgrade from a B450 board. I would only go X570 if you're new to AM4 or are going to get the 12 or 16 core. I'm upgrading from AM3+ and will get either the 12 or 16 core, depending on bench results after the embargo lifts, so I fall into both anyway and I just like having expensive toys lol.
Buildzoid analysis is best start of any day.
If you min max for gaming, then you go for the 6 core and you overclock it. Pretty much the same performance per clock in gaming.
The next gen consoles are 8-core zen2. Multiplatform games would be optimised to run on 8 threads.
Most informative x570 video ramble out there. The pricing of x570 is pushing me towards getting an x470 board the most, but it helps to have other info as well that makes a case for x470 for me. Price is the biggest factor though for my choice between x470 and x570. Have specific boards in mind already just need the pricing.
awww yea here we go
Im not doing OC myself, but I watch a lot of OC vids and really like the VRM Reviews...
Please update something like this video but for AMD 5000 and Radeon 6000 :)
A recommendation for motherboard and RAM would be super.
PCIe 4.0 can be an interesting selling point imho, for example:
- if you don't upgrade your CPU+Motherboard as often as you upgrade your GPU,
- if you don't upgrade your CPU+Motherboard synchronously with your GPU,
- etc.
Say you're still rocking a 4790K. And you are really interested in a Ryzen 3000 series CPU for an upgrade, but that 1080 or 1080Ti you're rocking will do fine until at least the next generation GPU's by Nvidia or AMD. Then you might want to take PCIe 4.0 into account, since a future GPU will probably support it and might actually benefit from it.
Whether that makes it worth the price and whether that makes it worth dealing with those lousy little chipset fans which come with x570, I don't know.
Watching this video, and remembering what you said about not being able to ramble on and on and on on the GN videos.... Yeah... This is that, alright. Love It.
Buildzoid you keep rambling , its great ;)
So basically at some point after Ryzen 3000 Series release, look out for X470s of the higher end going on discount and just grab one of those unless you really, really -really- want a X570 mobo
pls keep rambling sleep deprived :)
Actually, IF width was doubled in Zen 2, so it won't be bottlenecking the RAM. Latency will increase, but if you look at the numbers that the memory calculator by looncraz shows, it'd be circa 3-4 ns (aka not that much). Also, we don't really know how HUEG cache will influence the performance (and apparently, if you look at the latency ladders in geekbench/openbench, it seems intra-ccx latency is somewhat better now than in zen/zen+
Being called dirty casual by Buildzoid is a compliment.
The x570 chipset gives me sleepless nights to.
The more i want his video the more i think he smokes weed before he films these videos, his mind is all over the joint. Just buy what ever you like and suits your budget, if you got money to splash buy what ever board you like.
Damn, where is the hardcore overclocking content, this is just casual talk!
Thanks for making this sleep deprived video. With this and your best ryzen Mobo video, I feel like anyone can pick good parts. I just got a x470 gaming plus msi board at a killer deal (bought because of your vid) and now I think I get the 3700x now instead of the 3600.
Can also confirm the Asus X370-i does do 3600mhz (and presumre the x470 variant as well). Asus Zenith Extreme also does 3600mhz as long as you only run 4x dimms. 8x dimms I can only manage 2933 stable. Everything up to 3533mhz is unstable, and any speed after that results in motherboard failure to boot the memory.
Good job you inddeed.
I want x570 m-itx for it's dual M.2 slots.
I had to push the like before I finished watching for "Leave you dirty casuals!"
I am not an anything, but for 15:04 and 21:05 the obvious thought would be ratios closer than 2:1 (x0.5). Like 3:2 (1.5:1, or x0.65/0.667 multiplier)... or for something that works out cleanly, 5:4 (x0.8 multiplier) especially at not-too-high of frequencies. That is, assuming the IF can do that, the ratio not being some low-level mode.
You're makin me feel bad about my purchase decisions.
dirty casual and proud of it ... still i like to get decent boards and this channel is the one with the best info on vrm out there as far as i can judge.
also i love rambling videos for some strange reason ...
360p ftw
There was planned to be a A/B300 "chipset" for ITX, but it was cancelled.
Actually Hardcore Overclocking
Honestly...if sleep deprived or not...I guess everyone on this channel is waiting for your x570 guide anyways...and yes I would like that fully comprehensive one where you comment on every single board :P
I mean, these new game consoles from Microsoft and Sony coming are basically going to be using 4.0 SSD's and they claim huge improvements in loading times. Idk if those are specific optimizations to take advantage of that (probably) but if so, hopefully those game optimizations for loading on really fast storage will be in PC versions of games too.