Buildzoid's thoughts on most of the available X470 motherboards (not a review)
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EDIT: I seem to have made a mistake. The MSI Pro Carbon is a 5x2+2 not a 4B+2B. Might actually be a win at it's price point in that case.
EDIT2: actually it's a 5B+2 the drivers are CHL8510s: i.imgur.com/Ml3PfFA.jpg
2nd?
Well played sir
Close enough?
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So would you take the MSI pro carbon over the Asus X470-F ?
"That could have been on the rear io cause the first thing you're going have to do after pressing that is clear CMOS" LMFAO!!
"oh my god this video is 50 minutes, well i'm sorry for like talking your ear off"
Nonsense, this is why I watch you :p
Here are the mark up of every brand, suit yourself as you wish to know which one you want to see.
Asus: 0"53s
MSI: 15"50s
Asrock: 29"20s
Gigabyte (pronounce Jigabyte): 39"42s
Special notes for supporting the channel because he's great at what he does: 51"40s
Thx dude, and keep up on doing these as soon as you can.
Certified_ Giraffe why you fobt whrite them like this 00:47 ? It is useless
Cause it will likely be marked as spam!
15:50
29:20
39:42
51:40
No it's not pronounced jigabyte dude that makes exactly zero sense. "My SSD has 480 Jigabyte" "This is a 1 jigabit lan port" yeah no.
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"Buildzoid's thoughts on most of the available X470 motherboards"
*looks at video length*
*52 minutes long*
That's a lot of thoughts!
Taylor Lucy and still not enough motherboards...
gets to the end of the 52min, looks at the monitor, and then hit's replay, lol.
Buildzoid rambles, and it just never gets old, B)
Same thought 50 times :P
So much info in his rambling, I have no idea how he got all this stuff into his head without years spent working in the industry.
Which in my opinion is a bloody good thing. Checking out the B450 against the X470. This is information that I badly need, having been out of overclocking since the days of the NV2 C.S and the mobile Athlon, yea thats a good while so deep imfo will be greatly appreciated. I am standing at the gates of which board is going to be most beneficial to me. I am using a Ryzen 1600x atm which from what I've gathered power wise the B450 would probably be sufficient for now. But, I dont expect to remain with this CPU forever and the next step will be a 2700 along with its extra cores. Its a difficult choice, for me anyway, so as much help/advice is pretty paramount to the steps I take in the next day or two. I think I'm gonna end up goin for the B450 with me closed loop cooler-master aint needed it yet, still in its box alongside all the other crap I've collected over the years. The coin side is also gonna make a difference. Being a full-time carer is pretty limiting when it comes to the coin side of things. I've been putting this thing together since the beginning of last september which is when I purchased my B350, the box baring a sticker 'Ryzen ready'. To be specific it should have said Ryzen G1 ready. The series 5 2400G was not at all recognised,causing me to purchase an A6, 9500E. Not a bad APU, laughable against the Gen1 1600X, flying machine, on Linux anyway. Back to it. B450 or X470. I think the extra £30 will be well spent on the 470, I'll only regret not gettin it later on when I come to purchase the 1700 or should I say the 2700 the price of which is a little scarey right now. Think I'm gonna spend another 50 mins on one of the best series of thoughts I've come across up to now. Certainly better than the few reviews I've had the chance to absorb! Cheers all.
12:40 "YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME - THIS HAS AN AWARD?!"
I died laughing
Buildzoid is the only guy who can link dry humor and motherboards. Awesome.
A very enjoyable, entertaining and educational video.
Gaming 7 - If you plan on using this motherboard as intended, in a case, you have access to clear the cmos and manually reset the motherboard without opening the case. I like that feature. I have the Aorus Wifi 7... whatever dumb name. It's pretty good, I think it could use some refinement. I was really glad it had duel bios recently. Flip the switch and everything was all better again.
The clear CMOS on the back is fine. The power button on the back is the one I have a problem with. A rear IO clear CMOS is great on test bench since you can't accidentally hit it. A power button right next to it on the rear IO is stupid.
I can't say for Buildzoid. But for me it's dumb because I would definitely accidentally shut down the pc while trying to plug in something into rear io under my desk. I think they could have put plastic covers onto the buttons like fighter jets, or use excessively recessed buttons that are "cat proof".
Doesn't have cases power or reset buttons anymore? Maybe they are under an RGB-plastic cover?
Actually Hardcore Overclocking
I just finished a build on the Gaming 7 wifi. The power and cmos buttons are not easy to press by accident. You really have to press it in, and it's recessed by the surrounding edges.
they should have raplaced the OC button with a power button imho...
It looks as though Asus lost it all. The TUF line meant something upon launch with z77....i guess its a sham now?
The TUF B350's the best mATX board in the range which also has a 4+2 setup. I can only imagine they meant it to be a B450 board but then maybe the later launch of the B lineup made them change it to an X series one, but who knows.
The Ultimate Fraud
Asus changed the direction of the TUF branding a whlie ago, from solid, long durability to entry level.
My Sabertooth X99 wasn't impressive: the VRMs were the same as those found on cheaper boards, they ran hot despite the noisy fan and it was faulty on top of it all. It would randomly freeze if C states were on and even if I worked round this by disabling them it would blue screen when running SiSoft Sandra benchmarks even though it was stable in Prime95. I replaced every other component first as I couldn't believe it was the board, turns out it was and my Gigabyte X99 SOC Champion is a dream by comparison, the VRMs are much better and run cool and it's perfectly stable.
Asus' marketing of durability, reliability and high quality components for TUF brand is now an insult to the consumer's intelligence as things have devolved further.
X470 TUF Gaming-
Buildzoid hear me out. I made the mistake of purchasing this board before hearing your thoughts and concerns on it especially since I planned to OC. It's in my 2700x build with a XFX Vega 56 Custom. My observations so far: running 4.2ghz all core overclock at 1.40v. 360mm water cooler in a CM H500M case. CPU after running Aida 64 for 3 hours including gpu stress for extra heat barely hits over 68C. VRMs got nearly to 80C and 70C using a heat gun on the heatsinks respectfully. No thermal throttling or crashing. I'm not a VRM expert like yourself but I do know TUF has historically used better capacitors and mosfets for the their boards allowing them to get warmer and survive warmer temperatures for much longer periods of time. That's why I had a Z87 sabertooth and a 990FX rev 2 back in the day. I waited to build my ryzen system until a X370 or X470 TUF board was released. I would ask you to take a fair stab at the board, see if in person it performs differently than it should on paper. As always love the break down.
I love this kind of video lolz- such a joy to see such pure & honest reviewer
Don't apologize for educating me. Feel free to talk my ear off some more when you review the Gigabyte Ultra Gaming.
Buildzoid, your videos crack me up. They’re totally informative with your interesting voice/accent/humor mixed in. I STILL maintain your voice does not match your face, however. ;-) Anyway thanks again for the detailed vids...the hard work is appreciated!
"just in case the vrm heatsink was actually any good at cooling the vrm we´re gonna make sure it isn´t by covering it up with a great big block of plastic, GENIUS"
jajajaja that was sooo true and funny!!! thanks for the info, keep up the good work!
Should probably make a list next time for quick reference on the overall apparent quality of the board. probably a simple 1-10
How about a Buildzoid's thoughts on up and coming x570 mobo's?
This video just gave me a sigh of relief because I was about to buy a 750W PSU just to have a second power connector for my MSI X470 Pro Carbon with the Ryzen 5 2600X OC'd to 4.2ghz. However, I'm happy to see that I don't need to do that and can stick to my 650W EVGA G3 power supply just that much longer. Love the videos man. Keep up the awesome work!
Good eye. I seem to have made the right choice by watching your MSI X470 Gaming Plus overclocking. The heatsink on the Pro is a mushroom shaped piece of... The only reason to buy it is if you don't like the red accents on the Plus, otherwise, it's the worst choice from many standpoints.
I finally made the jump from the AsRock AB350M Pro4, I'm glad I did, even though I had to get a new case just to mount ATX. The MSI BIOS is miles better and more user-friendly. I really like the amount of fan headers, the Gaming Pro board is REALLY good for the price. The board is tough, like I had extremely stubborn front panel connectors, I had to force them into the headers, the motherboard withstood the stress. (The USB 3 right angle connector made me sweat irl, I thought I was going to break the board in half)
While the AB350M Pro4 gets cracked in between the PCB layers and cut off the front panel headphone jack, it becomes unusable. Let's just say I RMA'd the board 2 times. The 300 series boards weren't up to snuff IMO. And AsRock's earlier AM3 era boards seemed better.
Last time I had to defer to someone's recommendation was a long time ago. I stayed away from MSI boards because my last one was 870FX-G54, it broke from a minor bump on the table while the system was on, I switched to an Asus M5A99X EVO and it lasted me quite a while, it was a really good board for Phenoms back in the day.
Well I'm back to MSI and they've seemed to have improved the boards quite a bit.
EDIT: If you care a lot about RGB lighting, I have bad news, a lot of the budget boards only support 7 colors through their software, no speed and brightness control and addressable strips do not work as intended even though they are "Mystic Light compatible". MSI misrepresented Mystic Light usage on a lot of marketing materials and box art. So if you do, you might want to get a separate lighting controller. If you bought a board that only has 7 colors, you might want to contact MSI about it and complain a little bit, since they haven't fixed this problem since last year.
Thanks a lot Buildzoid, your analysis videos and rambles are a good watch to just sit down, sip some tea and take in that knowledge.
-EntropyZ from TPU
Biostar X470GT8 the best choice!!!
I think that one of the "idiots" who placed buttons at the wrong place watched video and disliked it.
If some of these boards had more RGB, they would OC better. Guaranteed!
when you saw the award for the TUF board i literally pissed myself 😂 class reaction man, love the vids
the lower end boards need a brutal giant fricking heatsink!
What about using the old school speaker for beeping for post code errors? (for the ASUS prime x470)
Hey Buildzoid! Could you make a tutorial on HOW TO BUY RAM? I mean, it's not as straight foward as many of us think, there are waaaay too many options on the market (frequencies from 2133-4600mhz, latency variance, samsung, hynix, micron, etc......)
The best Ryzen memory is probably Samsung B Die Memories.
Very rare.
And Very Expensive.
The only RAM I know that uses same die's are from Team Group
Ram memory from 8Pack Overclocker
name is
Team Group Dark Pro series RAM. with CL14 (CL14 is your guide, if its 14 its B-Die)
Professional Asshole
There’s a program for that
benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder/
This is your best video in recent weeks! 50 MInutes? I am totally fine with it :)
I have the master sli with a 2600x it’s been pretty solid. The first bios was funky with memory timings/frequency on my kit, but the newest bios helped me get stable to 3200 with slightly lower timings. I haven’t seen the vrms go above 60 but I just play games and run vms on it. I only paid $129 for mine though.
...and its over!
How was that 52 minutes? I need more!
Idea: draw out the layout of your ideal mainboard in GIMP or whatever and talk about it. Maybe someone listens.
22:47 And then AMD put out not just a 12 core, but also a 16 core that work on x470 .
Actually Hardcore Overclocking
Thanks for the Video! Very informative, but I was still hoping for more information on Biostar boards...nobody covers them these days...the only info I got, was from Hardwareunboxed, who said: "stay away from them" without stating why.
Can you elaborate a little bit about Biostar boards? What is your opinion on them?
Ben Dover To my understanding, their cheap boards not meant to last. IDK.
I'm looking at the Taichi, I hope they sorted their BIOS madness, I truly do. :O
It was an hour well spent Buildzoid,I have started watching your videos after seeing some Gamers Nexus ones you feature in, I have learnt a lot about how Manufacturers actually build compared to how they say they build so thanks for all the great content, I think the Designers who want to add Overclocking features they Should talk to the leading overclockers about how the features are used to put them in useful positions
Just discovered your channel, youre pcb examinations are awesome dude!
I love the look of the Prime Pro. I wish it was just slightly better
12:10 - “that better not be an award!” :-)
Can you recommend one for 3700x? Thanks.
Appears on his X570 review, Buildzoid really like the Aorus X570 elite but prefer a model with post code.
Thanks for the good in-site in this vid. I find it interesting that the X470 boards are so expensive now. The low and mid boards are now costing what the high end used to. I guess that's the price of 8/16 core/thread processors needing to be able to run on them.
The Asrock Master is very similar to the older X370 Killer/SLI AC that I have. It was a mixed bag. However, for $140 that I paid pre-ordering it, it's OK. At some point it was discounted to $100. It also has doubled 4+2 (they say "12 phase") VRM with 45Amp chips and 12K capacitors.
I speculate that the good and the bad of the old one might apply here also.
The bad are:
- No bus clock adjustment.
- The choice of PCIe slots and the fact that the 1x are not cut at the back. Specifically, my problem is that plugging in a 10GB network adapter in the second out of 2 slots kills my GPU bandwidth to 8X. I wish that I had a chipset-connected bottlenecked 4x, 8x or 16x slot for it.
- The BIOS duplicates settings and is just aweful.
- Lack of debugging features and buttons.
- Almost everything seemed like at least one step back from the Asus Crosshair V Formula-Z that I had in that case before.
The (surprisingly) good are:
+ Intel LAN and WiFi.
+ With an R7 1700@4.0 GHz front watercooled and a rear exhaust fan the MOSFETS stay cool (did not expect that).
+ RAM support is not bad, G-Skill 3200 Samsung B-die work well enough on the first-gen Ryzen, also pre-ordered.
+ The two front USB 3.0 headers are in the front, next to the 24-pin power plug.
+ LLC settings are actually good.
I bought right-angled 24-pin and USB 3.0 adapters for it, but those are not really needed. However, I wished that the plugs were horizontal from the factory.
Very useful. I am looking to upgrade to AM4 shortly, and while I don't want to do any hardcore overclocking (or even softcore really), I do want a MB with quality VRM that's going to allow my Ryzen to hit proper XFR frequencies smoothly and safely.
I actually love the power button on the rear IO. My pc is sitting on my left so the rear is closest to me, with the front actually being behind my monitors. Having to stand up and go around my desk to turn off my PC instead of just pressing a button on the rear IO is something I don't want to have ever again. It might not be good for test benches, but it's perfect for me.
I don't think ASUS TUF has ever been that respectable. The previous Sabertooth line that TUF replaced was amazing though. Post watch edit: Holy crap that video was nearly an hour it felt like a 20 minute video to me. Great vid Buildzoid
Hey BZ, you should do a side by side compo between an TUF X470 and a TUF 990FX. Just to see how the mighty have fallen!!!
I don't know if you ever picked up the Master SLI/AC. I was actually impressed with the performance of the Master SLI/AC. It managed to clock memory at reasonable frequencies and the Ryzen 7 1700 I installed on it was able to all core overclock at 4.2 GHz (which was pretty sick considering I wasn't even above 1.4v) which I attribute more to the CPU being a silicon lottery winner. It's all around better than the X370 version of the same board.
i find this videos entertaining even they being very long , keep doing this great work!
I'd really love to see a video like this for X399! In particular, thoughts on the X399 Professional Gaming from ASRock (my current board). The overclocking on it has been really stable for me.
Keep up the amazing work!
Here in AUS the price difference between the Prime X370 Pro ($199) and the Prime X470 Pro ($299) is $100, the X370 pro was a really good value proposition when it released @AU$229 last year, but the X470 @299 isn't good value despite it being a really nicely specced board for the mainstream.
The thing I really liked about the Prime X370 pro was that it was a mid tier board with more than 4 phases on Vcore, also the inclusion of 4 phase SOC and display port, makes this board really nice for anyone wanting a better board for running current and (especially) future APU's with options.
The current price of the Prime X470 pro is extremely disappointing and I suspect the product of the fact that there are no current B450 motherboards on the market, it would have still maintained it's good value position if it was available under AU$250.
I'm a simpleton, and i like after you had your little moment with the "Award-winning" TUF board XD
I think the MSI gaming pro had good heat sink for one reason, because they are solid you can drill though length wise and tap threads in the ends for a water cooled VRMs. Useful if you are building an entirely external passive water loop and the entire PC has 0 fans. Problem with a silent passive system is always the chipset and VRM cooling as there is no airflow unless it's in an open frame "case" but even then those components get hot and many models of board don't have water blocks that fit the VRMs.
Always a bonus if existing sinks can be modified into water blocks when none are available.
just wanted to stop and say this vid helped me a lot in the end when choosing my MOBO for my R5 2600x build...went with the MSI gaming pro carbon to match the overall black and blue build....
so.. Ryzen 2600x running 4.325ghz stable at 1.4v.. memory using xmp 2 profile 2 corsair vengeance lpx 2933mghz on 2x 8gbs sticks..temps after benchmarking multiple CPU and GPU heavy benchmarks stay at 70 ..across the board...stable with no resets or freezing..using a gtx 1080 FE with a stable 175mghz OC on core and 300mhz memory with 2%+ voltage...thermaltake 240mm AIO...push/pull...and 4 140mm exhaust...it runz sweeeet....495-498(with a little extra push) single thread and a 3989 multi-thread score on CPU-Z....the little ryzen that could
Hello, as an owner of the Asus Prime X470-Pro I need to step up here and clarify. This board HAS (simple) diagnostics. I build my PC myself so I dont know what manufacturers put inside modern builds but us veterans(?) like to have this thing called "speaker" and unfortunately from personal experience I can tell you that it "told" me that I have defective VGA. So ok, it does not have leds or whatnot, but basic diagnoses through speaker is still present.
Is it the one that beeps? I remember getting one from a Formula V board back in the day. Are they phased out now?
X470 TUF Gaming-
Buildzoid hear me out. I made the mistake of purchasing this board before hearing your thoughts and concerns on it especially since I planned to OC. It's in my 2700x build with a XFX Vega 56 Custom. My observations so far: running 4.2ghz all core overclock at 1.40v. 360mm water cooler in a CM H500M case. CPU after running Aida 64 for 3 hours including gpu stress for extra heat barely hits over 68C. VRMs got nearly to 80C and 70C using a heat gun on the heatsinks respectfully. No thermal throttling or crashing. I'm not a VRM expert like yourself but I do know TUF has historically used better capacitors and mosfets for the their boards allowing them to get warmer and survive warmer temperatures for much longer periods of time. That's why I had a Z87 sabertooth and a 990FX rev 2 back in the day. I waited to build my ryzen system until a X370 or X470 TUF board was released. I would ask you to take a fair stab at the board, see if in person it performs differently than it should on paper. As always love the break down.
TomCasey after BIOS update I had the option to manually OC
I am saving my pennies to upgrade my ancient rig and have been researching to find out the smart way to go about it. This video was helpful in that it showed me that I probably don't want to try saving money on the board since it seems the low-end boards sacrifice where I don't want sacrifice, durability. I'll be keenly interested to see if you ever do find a budget X470 board that is worth buying.
Any chance of seeing such a video done for the Z370 motherboards?
mcopyright yes!
Did I miss something? I think you skipped over the Crosshair VII Hero
how does the heatsink affect capacitors if they dont use the heatsink, am i correct to guess that hot mosfets heat up the traces/PCB to the point of increasing capacitor heat?
Hey guys,
It's 2019 just after Zen 3000 launched... I've been looking for a motherboard for the R9-3900x (12-core) and after much, much research including other Buildzoid videos I finally got what I needed to know so I've narrowed it down to the Asus Strix X470-F Gaming motherboard. Why?
a) X570 is overpriced and there's the chipset fan issue (and I don't really care about the PCIe v4.0 addition)
b) the reliability for long-term POWER delivery at reasonable temps for the R9 was addressed here (this board is fine. plenty of power and will run cool enough unlike the Asus X470-Pro)
c) great audio solution (some of us still care)
d) barebones but adequate troubleshooting
e) RELIABILITY of the X470 now looks pretty good. (It's hard to figure out customer feedback as it's often not accurate especially at Amazon where it STILL mixes similar products into the comments and scoring. Sigh. NEWEGG is better for feedback but then you get all the bad scores for things that may have been fixed by now. So you kind of look up lots of reviews and extrapolate.)
*Also, I really like Asus' fan control software.
hey buildzoid, great video! really enjoyed every minute of it. looking forward to some in depth rambles about these boards, next up the asus prime! i think that board has great aesthetics, so if its not as terrible as the plagued x370 version i might give it a shot. the missing buttons on the taichi upset me alot more than the missing leds on the prime since i have the impression the trouble shooting on am4 revolves around 99% of memory and beyond that the leds and postcodes dont really help at all since they seem to spit out random or even undocumented stuff.
Thanks for going over the ITX boards!
Hmm... What's up with these M.2 slot heatsinks on boards these days that share surface area with hotter running ICs? Since flash only eats a couple watts of power, wouldn't this actually raise the flash temps and have the opposite effect that the heatsink intended? (e.g. shortening the lifespan of your M.2 drive)
Holy Crap! That was a ton of info! And it answered a TON of questions. I've looked under the skirt of the Pro Carbon and it looked the same as the GAMING PLUS (I didn't see the models of the FET's but knowing MSI they just slapped them on everything.
ShiVv
regarding the twin-power connector: der 8auer did an OC video on the MSi X470 M7 where you can see that your 12V from the PSU into your board won't drop as much as with just a single connector. Can't link the Video but you can find it on MSI Deutschland Channel (obviously in German but with a multimeter
So, basically, if you want a technically/electircally solid board w/o getting robbed, get a Strix X470-F is what I take from it. And even then the getting robbed part can be discussed...
I have the 2600x on a Gigabyte Ultra Gaming and I'm satisfied so far. Though I have to admit, my primary concerns were features, reliability and price, everything is running stock.
I actually like that you get a thermal probe with the board you can plug in and read out with software like hwinfo.
I stuck mine into the vrm heatsink and it's never been above 40°C so far, though ofcourse that's the heatsink temp, not the actual vrm temp.
You should definitely get M7, people at the forums say it has the best memory OC of all boards.. Your B-die kit might have a better chance to get higher scores / clocks. Also, this is kinda depressing - I want to replace 2500k and these memory prices and literally 0 good mobos (with no RGB and decent OC) keep stalling me...
I’ve had 2 different Gigabyte X470 gaming Ultra boards with my 2700x, and even with some really minor OC, the VRM’s cooked, and I had to send both back to Newegg. That board has completely intolerant VRM’s. Also cooked the VRM’s on an MSI gaming 7, but that took a few days. My Gigabyte X470 Aorus m7 AC arrives tomorrow.
12:08 Tech media in Turkey is so awful, I'm even surprised to see that.
Everything wrong on the motherboard market :D I'm doing research for PC components recently and what i think is that the market gets flooded by fancy colorful shiny blinking features and stronk names to catch the peoples emotions in order to catch their money. It's like a war of who's gonna stack another feature on top of the feature pile in order to get ahead in the race of feature piling - which according to the speech of the video maker (which seems to have some technical background which i admire) are often not really a true technical feature but just a look-a-like of said feature.
Thanks for sharing your experience/expertise. This really opened my eyes. Have a wonderful life :sun:
PS: If you'd be a guy who wants build a PC for multitasking/gaming/streaming in Q1 2019: What MB what you go for? I'd also be happy to get links for self education on the subject of "what hardware features really matter and what''s truely inside" since the manufacturers are obviously playing games on us - the uneducated little gamer bois and grils.
thanks for the video. nice to see someone talking about something else than the most expensive mobos. big thumbs up from me
So, the real reason to move on to X470 is actually due to AMD introducing StoreMI and some other goodies, while the board makers just keep masquerading and increasing the price without justification.
ShamanKish thats not a reason to upgrade.
In that case, it beats the purpose of AM4 motherboards being supported til 2020. Why would anyone upgrade from B350 or X370 after only 6 or 12 months?
I agree, the lower-end stuff is usually the most interesting. For basically any kind of product.
Buildzoid in 2018: Unless they make a 12 core....
AMD in 2019: You know, I think you got something there, but let's go bigger....
Good to see this video. Nice to see the other options out there, I have used asus for a long time but I hate the way they look, disgusting looking boards of last few years. Also getting sick of non resolved broken bios features than render some of their OCing boards useless.
Not touching gigabyte, had 100% failure rates with the 3 or so I had over the years.
Good video. I'm talking with a new guy at work as he is eyeballing a taichi...I'm trying to sway him to the C7H as it's a solid performer...
Looking forward to z390 analysis (I need WiFi)
I'm a little let down that you didnt do a Amazon link to these motherboards. I bought an MSI gaming plus because of your reviews. Would have liked it if you would have gotten something out of it. But no links. Love your channel, love your reviews, but maybe add some links so I can give you something when I buy it off your reviews.
i want BRUTALZOID to put the Asus TUF under LN2
Don Valentino hahaha! That would be dope
Going to buy non GPP -manufacturer MB, so it's Asrock, but pickings are slim atm. Informative AND entertaining video. Cheers! !
B00tman lmao stupid idiot who cares just go for asus better boards than most others
Peteto Chibs: I'm stupid idiot who's been building PC:s for over 30 years, I don't care what these think about Me. "Opinions are like assholes, everybody's got one!" Creative criticism is always welcome thou! Let Idiots call other people idiots, that's why they are here, they don't no better. Cheers!
Great vid, confirms the suspicion that you get what you pay for and that the budget boards are all cheating to make them look like they have more VRMs than they do. Would be interested in a breakdown/test of that MSI ITX, because you mentioned it had 6 phases and I'd assumed it was 'big 3'... Hoping that they do actually ship with heatsinks on the +2 though otherwise something's going to catch fire!
ok, so i am not the only one that have major issues with the BIOS of ASRock boards....thx for your time, to take a look at those boards.
I really wish Asus would stop with the tacky IO covers and heatsinks, proper heatsinks looks better that cheap to produce blocks of aluminum, it makes your product look cheap and appealing to the lowest common denominator
44:08 Holy fck, a board that actually uses doublers to get the claimed phases!
Thanks, really informative and helped me understand what to look for in a motherboard :)
That rant about the aorus gaming 7 was absolutely hilarious
All of his rants are hilarious(ly good)...
I hope they make better X470 or B450 mini ITX boards. I watched your other video too. It's like manufacturers are not trying to make something good because most people don't know what to look for anyways and will not even notice what a good board is. But to be fair, most of these board are good for anybody with proper cooling added over those VRMs
Every new gen you should start with this type of observation video asap. Also, in synthesis, does the doble 4 phasers means a better 4 phase vrm?
I'd like to see your thoughts on the Biostar GT8 motherboard. It uses a doubled 4+2 phase VRM with IR3555 mosfets and IR3599 doublers. Also it has a LN2 switch, dual BIOS, post code, and power, reset, and clear CMOS buttons.
Thank you for this breakdown. Very entertaining as well.
@buildzoid
Is there any chance you get your hands on the MSI X470 Gaming M7 any time soon? Best regards
Hope you will do the same for uATX and ITX B450/X470 boards. This is really insightful and would help people to pick their board.
Thank you for great video, very helpful, waiting for the similar video for the *B450* chipsets :)
could YOU PLEASE DO A 2019 UPDATE ON THESE BOARDS ? WHAT BOARD HAS THE BEST VRM'S AND ALL AROUND BEST FEATURES BY PRICE
Really informative video but sadly you skipped over the one board that really interests me, the Strix i gaming m-itx. Also, I'm kinda surprised you didn't even mention Biostar.
What about Z370 boards?
I've been looking a quite a few but I've got honestly no clue which one I should get to pair with my 8700k that I still haven't built a system around.
So what's the best sub $200 x470 motherboard for overclocking?
MSI B450I Gaming Plus
Oh god, here I am looking at motherboards and they all have issues lol.
Think I will stay with the MSI Carbon, since it seems they all have their little nitpicks.
ASUS ruined the TUF name with these budget boards.
Buildzoid, how do you not know about the AM4 VRM list on Hardwareluxx? :P
For example the MSI M7 has an 6x phase of one 4C029N and 4C024N each, doubled with IR3598's so you get a total of 12 phases, well sort of because doubling. The Pro Carbon AC has 5x2 with the same mosfets and no doublers. So two low and high sides mosfets per phase. The Gaming Plus has 4x2 with the same mosfets.
I would love to just drop the link here, but YT is being a total b*tch again and refuses to allow me to copy/paste anything. So google for AM4 VRM, possible also adding hardwareluxx. That should make it easy to find. :)
Do I need heatsink for m.2?
What board would you recommend for a 2700x in a stock configuration, no overclocking for a budget friendly build?
Well, I'm not buldzoid, but I myself use msi x470 gaming plus. He did review it and said it was decent for oc, so in stock it will be good. But
Audio chip and internet chip are midrange, but for me it's not a big deal, I'm quite happy with the board.
I would be very interested in what you would do if you could design your own mobo; components/ parts and an explanation of your choices.
Thank you! Respect+ for the overview.
So BZ, if you had to throw your own money at an X470 entry board for gaming + light/ocasional overclocking. Which one would you buy?
Cause it seems to me like you hate them all. :))