Hey look buddy, I'm an engineer. That means I solve problems, not problems like "What is beauty?" Because that would fall within the purview of your conundrums of philosophy. I solve practical problems, for instance: how am I going to make this motherboard even more expensive? The answer, useless components , and if that don't work... Use more usless components.
I believe you specifically said "more USELESS components", and "no 6-pin connector so we don't let the PCIE slots fry themselves" is well within spec on that claim.
Also customer: "Why didn't you manage passive cooling and why does a Gigabyte board half this price (x570 master has the same controller as the xtreme) have a more cutting edge VRM?"
@@shawnpitman876 As now things looks to me - why not? i can not to think that with apropriate SoC chiplet amd can put as many ccx as they want, even it becomes useless:) just can't stop thinking about it - epics and ryzens are mostly different in this chiplet(damn, it was SO obvious solution, i mean tech of manufacturing, kind of surpise to me that there nothing like before(at least - at that scale), so glue them up!!(a bit joking, a bit not)
What i'd find funny is if they took the Phenom II cores and just directly scaled them down to 7nm, and use the more basic architecture as a way to get 32 cores per chiplet.
G'day Buildzoid, Awesome entertaining video for a rainy Saturday afternoon cup of tea in Australia, I love your board reviews & I am trying to learn more from watching them
@@zy5270 My Grandfather taught me you are not dumb if you do not know the answer to something you have never been taught, he also taught me that making an effort to learn means you are smart, no one knows everything so there is always something new you can learn, If You Want To Learn, Dumb people are the ones who don't know while saying they know & refuse to learn so they do know
These vids are starting to soak in through osmosis a bit I think. I'm not so overwhelmed by the jargon and the refs to specific manufacturers chips anymore.
Good job pointing out the shielding plane on the memory traces area. I think that is 100% what it is. I notice the surface traces a lot on cheaper boards and wonder how they get away with it. Its better buried and shielded.
I work alot with EMI equipment and design. The reason to sandwitch the memory traces between ground planes is to prevent EMI from messing with signal integrity. The power rails tend to radiate energy at higher current states, which could potentially mess up the signals. I noticed that my Taichi board has memory errors when the CPU is overclocked hard, and is likely due to this... because at stock CPU speeds the memory can be clocked a lot higher.
Wapn Perfo well ryzens memory controller is directly affected by clock speeds on the cpu. For me if i went from 3.9ghz (ryzen 1700) down to 3.8ghz i can get my memory more stable at 3066 but at 3.9ghz i cant boot over 2933. Its just a limitation of the internal memory controller. I have an x370 taichi also and the memory has been notoriously bad on first gen ryzen. But also i have no electrical engineering experience so who really knows
@ Okay, you've got me genuinely curious. If the board doesn't have video out, why would someone overclock an IGP? (Or even install an APU?) Not trying to be a jerk, I'm genuinely curious what I'm missing.
@ MSI says the 4 phase SOC VRM is for memory overclocking. Looks like your rude response was also ignorant. www.msi.com/blog/the-powerful-vrm-solution-for-msi-x570-motherboards
Dear God Buildzoid, I love the PCB breakdowns, LOVE LOVE LOVE the rambly videos. But when Buildzoid said "4 way Fury X's, and I would totally stick 4 of them in this Motherboard" I laughed so hard mac & cheese got spit all over my Monitor, and ya know what? Worth it, not even mad lol Then I said outloud "That's SO Buildzoid, just no fucks given like ever!"
This is your best breakdown video yet! Lots of useful information on the board layout, pcb quality, pcie lane layout etc! Top notch data info for dirty casuals like me :D
About the possibility of 4-way GPUs: If you're talking about, say, pascal nvidia cards (you did mention 4-way 1080tis), you could replace the PCIe shunt with a higher resistance resistor to trick it into pulling less of its power from the slot. That could save your 24 pin and still let you do it.
48 mins to watch.... getting confortable on the toilet seat, my gf knocking on the door but i can't leave until i finish the video...... i couldn't ask for anything better to start my sunday morning
@IbukiHimari It may not make a big difference, but fiddlers like Buildzoid go to great efforts to get GPU voltages unlocked. And there were bemoans from the clocking community that the voltages on the 20 series were locked tight and conservatively. I guess he'd like unlocked voltages - but we don't know any details of what Super is yet.
not a chance that happens.. considering EVGA even now can't officially include a bios for the 2080ti kingpin to remove the power limit, there's no way nvidia will all of a sudden support it out of the box.
I'd love to see you do a video called something like "If I were to design a motherboard" where you take your knowledge in this area and apply it to designing a motherboard without current case constraints. How much of the standard AT-styled board layout leads to the difficulty of getting these boards to work well? For instance, if you had the RAM on one side of the CPU and the GPU connectors on the other side, would it be easier to route the signals?
I hope MSI continues to make good boards like this. And hopefully continue the same with B*50 boards as well. Very curious as to what Asus and AsRock has to offer this time.
Hi, so I just received this board and all I can say is: remember to lift with the legs, not the back when picking up the package. I showed to my friend (who will be getting my current system when I build this new one) and he literally did a cartoon jaw drop.
That would be nice especially if you can use 3200mhz ram, but clock the IF to same clock as 3600mhz ram or even use 4000mhz+ ram at 1 to 1 ratio which would be crazy fast.
Because those 8 pins are meant for the cpu and not pcie and I think that the mobo manufacturers imagine us literally destroying every cpu, so they were like "You need more power" 😂😂 but yeah they could have done what you said. Just ignore this comment. I don't care and neither are they
Because while one is enough there are instances were poor cables and large power output could equal houses burning down and they don't want the risk of pushing them to their theoretical limits.
@@thehumangerm but for ryzen CPUs there is actually almost no way of that happening unless there is a defect in the actual wires or something similar. Thanks mate ✌
At 20:27 The missing component is actually a capacitor and the button and the capacitor might be in the final product. I think this is a final product picture on the MSI site : asset.msi.com/resize/image/global/product/product_6_20190527092315_5ceb3c032904b.png62405b38c58fe0f07fcef2367d8a9ba1/1024.png
Great information as always, except the PCIE power bit... I kind of wish you could somehow edit this to include that you now know that the extra CPU 8 Pins at the top of the board also supply extra power to the PCIE Slots when needed. This board can absolutely handle 4x480 if you want to without melting the 24pin or the PCIE Slots themselves.
Referring to from 04:53 in. So Buildzoid, 4 x 75W (300+ Watts in total) is too much to go through the 2 x 12V lines of the 24-pin connector, without 6-pin CPU connector support. But how much PCI-e slot Wattage **in total** can go safely through the 2 x 12V lines of the 24-pin connector, without 6-pin CPU connector support?
So, Something Buildzoid would actually find intiresting, is there are Zotac 750 Ti Thunderbolt cards, which were never sold anywhere but china, currently on aliexpress.
Why is that that my M5A99FX PRO R2.0 (FX motherboard) has a chipset northbridge that has 20W output... and no fan on a relatively small chunk of aluminium, but a 14W chipset needs a massive heatsink with fan? I mean it gets hot (so hot that I put a 50mm radial "3D printer head" fan on it), but it seems like they just don't want stuff to get hot, rather than needing it to stay within spec?
Since Gigabyte apparently sells a top-end board with a passively-cooled chipset, that points to the ability of all of the boards to come with passive cooling. Instead, though, they're either using passive cooling to sell people overpriced boards or they're waiting for the 2.0 round to try to get people to buy based on these improvements.
@1:16 it really looks like the bottom PCI_E4 slot is wired for 8x. But I checked the spec page on MSI website and it confirms as BZ mentions, x4. Before all the AMD announcements, I was honestly just hoping for PCIE gen 4 to the chipset, and would have been happy with PCIE gen 3 for the extra slots hanging off the PCH, but this is amazing connectivity for a consumer board.
Passive cooling , no vrm extreme, no rgb, only 1gbit lan and 32gb ram, small USB only for drivers, 2-3 PCI ex slots , matisse cpu full support, additional wired fix for pwr/led/hdd etc.if I can run GPU+nvme+sata ssd is fine.
Ciprian he was asking what to expect for b550? As in why would you buy b550 over b450? I would imagine the vrms will definitely be better than b450, probably more usb gen 3.2, beyond that i dont realy know what we could expect. Although it seems there wont be any pcie 4.0 so no chipset fan. B550 is going to be more like the majnstream board this time around. But im almost certain better vrms and usb 3.2 gen 2. The x570 chipset and the added pcb layers to support the pcie 4.0 are the main thing driving up the cost on x570 so it makes sense that to cut cost they would just cut those features and leave the rest. I would even say there will for sure be big beefy vrms on some b550 for people who want high core count but dont need or want pcie 4.0
If they have higher quality board materials they might have gone with lower capacitance traces for the RAM (good for latency), and I believe those are more sensitive to RF interference (but only by a miniscule amount). It would probably be easier to glue ferrite planes on the motherboard to try and combat stuff like that though.
Hey Buildzoid whats with the last +1 in the VRM description on the GODLIKE website says : 'Flagship 14+4+1 phases IR digital VRM and brand-new infinity design, symbolizes the unlimited performance and power.' And the ACE mobo says: 'Win games and set records with 12+2+1 IR digital power'
Wendell, over at Level 1 Techs said that some newer motherboards like the GODLIKE, ACE and x570 Unify. (The x570 Unify would make a good PCB breakdown board) But, as far as those 3 board's with 2 8pin power connectors for the CPU. The second 8pin also can deliver extra power to the PCI-e x16 slots. Instead of another onboard 6pin.
BTW, at 21:50 you specify what the jumper JLN1 is "according to the manual of the board". I could not find the manual at the MSI website. Are you allowed to share the manual or do you know where to find it already?
Hey here's something really stupid, can't you modify vBioses to limit the powerdraw from the pcie slot? I remember seeing something like that in a vBios editor. Correct me if I'm wrong :)
That's a good question. IDK about Nvidia's Turing but AMD's upcoming Navi is going to be locked even tighter on hacking that stuff. I know you can hack that stuff on Vega and Polaris though. I think I've heard you can on Pascal but I'm not as certain.
An even better question then will be will AMD expose a legit option to limit PCIe slot power on Navi. That could also explain Navi having those seemingly unnecessary dual 8 pins. Since Navi is thus far the only announced GPU architecture you could actually run quad-gpu on this board with if you could work out the power issue.
According to the Buildzoid MSI X570 Unify analysis, it DOES use the extra CPU 8-pin to power the GPUs and thinks other MSI X570 boards do as well, including the Godlike. :)
What's funny MSI motherboards are the only one left without even preliminary Zen2 support - microcode (and all PSP stuff) is missing and there's no way to replace it as it's smallest among all x470 boards (tried and tested different ways of doing this with an AC7 user, no luck)
Its on MSIs website now, but no price. Just FYI. ASrock has a couple up, Gigabyte has a few. X570s i mean. Been scoping them out to upgrade my Steel Legend eventually.
manufacturers use the -72 power stages instead of the -75 power stages because the -75 power stages aren't available yet/ didn't get available in time.
Hey buildzoid do you have any plans on making. A video ranking the best power stages/mosfets that are currently being used, and ones you are excited about in the future?
Does anyone know how to find output information in current for a power stage? I tried to look up a certain power stage but all I can find is a data sheet that does not state power output in current unless I am not seeing it. Thanks
Could the board divert power from the 2 8-pins EPS power connectors to the PCIe slots? Since those could handle about 800W of power, diverting up to 300W doesn't seem like a stretch to me. Not sure if it's at all possible, however since the PCIe slots don't have sense pins like the PCIe power connectors, it may as well be.
But Buildzoid, the MSI reps themselves in the interview with hardware cannucks told us that the X570 godlike is supposed to run a PCIE 4.0 Bridge chip and offer 16+16+16+4. Why is your board not the right MSI X570 MEG Godlike? Are there two versions of the board?
Maybe some of the CPU 12V lines help power the PCIe slots.. I mean, they have a lot of power budget on those connectors to spare. It would at least make rational sense, if they have far too much CPU 12V lines, and not enough PCIe 12V lines. Also, why keep the 24 pin and PCIe 12 V plane separate from the CPU 12 V plane? Just in case you don't have one connected, and you don't want the other to be overloaded? Surely they can just sense if something isn't connected, or some of the lines are being overloaded.. ?
At 6:17 there are two 8-pin power connectors (up-left corner of the mobo). The MSI site says they are CPU power pins, and you're saying that you would add a 6-pin CPU pin. Could it be that these power the PCIe..? Or is it just for the CPU overlocking? (MSI does say these are for the core boost). Edit: I probably should have watched the video all the way through first, you do explain this at 20:09, and so these are just for the CPU. So it would have been better for MSI to not have these, and have a 6-pin instead...
Pause at 4:52 Is it me or this board is the first to have a diagonal placed microchip/LED combo and a rounded circuit electrical line(next to the LED chip) JP1PE_LED 2. Looks like a train station there :))
Great breakdown! Question though, 5:37 , You mentioned you shouldn't run four high-end GPU's due to not enough power via the 24-pin, and that could cause damage But if your high-end GPU is a GTX 1080 TI, and comes with a 6-pin and 8-pin slot built into it, wouldn't you just run that into the PSU and bypass having to use that 24-pin?
@@DanielBelaytv I think if you put 4 variations of 1080 Ti, which minimally use the power of PCIe slots, it will work fine, but I can't say which models of 1080 Ti is it.
I don't need two graphics cards. But I **DO** want an x16 slot for a card PLUS an x4-x4-x4-x4 slot so I can run a 4-card M.2 RAID array. Plus another two (not necessarily 16 lanes) for, er, stuff. Gimme.
ripple and transient response yes. Efficiency is pretty much impossible to do since you can't really measure the 100A+ coming out of the VRM without causing problems.
DragonBane im wondering the same. I think buildzoid said in a previous mobo breakdown that steve from gamers nexus was asking to get pictures of the boards at computex and asus wouldnt let then take pictures. But im wondering the same. Bad decision for asus i was almost certainly getting an asus crosshair 8 hero since the crosshair hero has been money for first and second gen ryzen, but now that all of these breakdowns are out there i have all but decided i wont be getting asus since we have no info on them. And dropping 350 dollars or more with little to no information about the board is a no go for me if im throwing a 500 cpu in there
Can't wait to see all the flavors of 4 phase VRM ASUS X570 boards, now with and without chipset fans, VRM monoblocks, and varying amounts of I/O on the boards /s
Could they be running the GPU 12V from the dual CPU power connectors? They have plenty of current leftover, and given the possible firey-failure of putting four GPUs on the motherboard's ATX Connector, it is incredibly bizarre if they did NOT have some way of powering the PCIE slots if all are populated.
On the Buildzoid MSI X570 Unify analysis he says the Unify DOES use the extra CPU 8-pin to power the GPU slots and thinks other MSI X570 boards do as well including the Godlike.
Thanks for this review! Say, since you've reviewed the Unify in November 2019 (where the 8 pin CPU power connectors power the GPUs), have you changed your mind on the 8 pin CPU connector(s) powering the GPU (edit: on the Godlike)?
Has anyone had audio problems with MSI motherboards? My MSI board seems to have issues with high-frequency switching leaking into the ground of ports and messing up the audio (buzzing and humming when during screen drawing and heavy GPU loads). Oh, and it affects headphones as well as speakers. Routing audio over HDMI helps, but the interference is still there.
Being ryzen 3000 only gives 16 lanes to the GPUs and other such things. Would it be possible to use a HTC vive wireless adapter while having two rx vega cards in your system as the adapter only needs a 1x slot or would you just not have enough?
Nvidias requirement hasn't changed since pcie1.1 x8 at 2GB/s bandwidth (and 1GB for the bridge) so in theory you could run SLI today on a PCIE4x1 slot, But Nvidia says no.
You said Asus refuses to use doublers but doesnt the C7 Hero has doublers as well? I ask because I plan to use that board for the new Ryzen CPUs and was wondering if this would be better for normal OC. Main reason os because X570 look to be very expensive just for PCIE4.
How is the impact of the VRM on the power consumption? (In basic usage, and not super high inefficient Overclock? And are 4*4gb Ram better than 2*8gb? I saw some videos that let it look like. DUAL Channel MEMORY BOARD and same Timings etc ! (In this video it sounds not like it, but why could it be true, if it was the case? )
I’m not seeing a reason to choose x570 over hedt if someone needed that many direct to cpu lanes for drives/devices in their workloads. The tossup is whether 64gb or 128gb of ram will suffice in your workstation.
Asus TUF and P X570 boards apparently put 3 powerstages into a phase :D , and of course being Asus there's no doublers whatsoever (odd number powerstages per phase in a controller can't use them anyway)
"But Buildzoid,...." is becoming a catchphrase now
Don't you hear that in your dream? It is Buildzoid speaking to you, your PCB chief poker who insist to remind you of all the nice VRM in your sleep.
Customer: Why did you put 4 SOC 70AMP SPS on a MB with no video outputs?
Engineer: Yes.
Hey look buddy, I'm an engineer. That means I solve problems, not problems like "What is beauty?" Because that would fall within the purview of your conundrums of philosophy.
I solve practical problems, for instance: how am I going to make this motherboard even more expensive?
The answer, useless components , and if that don't work... Use more usless components.
No 6 pin tho
I believe you specifically said "more USELESS components", and "no 6-pin connector so we don't let the PCIE slots fry themselves" is well within spec on that claim.
@@mmv1503 more like make it as overkill as possible within the budget
Also customer: "Why didn't you manage passive cooling and why does a Gigabyte board half this price (x570 master has the same controller as the xtreme) have a more cutting edge VRM?"
27:04 Buildzoid caught the Valve bug, he can no longer count to 3.
Half life 3 :(
Yes, no more short BZ vids also he is back to speed talking \o/
The last video where he was tired was way faster than anything else I've seen from him 😂
Praise the long video \o/
Gotta get those dual eight pins for the 128 core Ryzen 4000 top end CPUs launching next year.
pfffft, 128 cores? AMD has no regard for moores law, it'll be 256 cores 512 threads.
@@shawnpitman876 As now things looks to me - why not? i can not to think that with apropriate SoC chiplet amd can put as many ccx as they want, even it becomes useless:)
just can't stop thinking about it - epics and ryzens are mostly different in this chiplet(damn, it was SO obvious solution, i mean tech of manufacturing, kind of surpise to me that there nothing like before(at least - at that scale), so glue them up!!(a bit joking, a bit not)
@@СокЧеловеческий Make a 2080-sized daughterboard covered in chiplets! With a cable to plug into your CPU socket
What i'd find funny is if they took the Phenom II cores and just directly scaled them down to 7nm, and use the more basic architecture as a way to get 32 cores per chiplet.
I think I'm addicted to buildzoid vids especially the longer ones
I'm addicted to his ramblings!
Something therapeutic about it lol
G'day Buildzoid,
Awesome entertaining video for a rainy Saturday afternoon cup of tea in Australia,
I love your board reviews & I am trying to learn more from watching them
shane eslick Same I'm trying to learn something because I'm dumb
@@zy5270 My Grandfather taught me you are not dumb if you do not know the answer to something you have never been taught,
he also taught me that making an effort to learn means you are smart, no one knows everything so there is always something new you can learn, If You Want To Learn,
Dumb people are the ones who don't know while saying they know & refuse to learn so they do know
These vids are starting to soak in through osmosis a bit I think. I'm not so overwhelmed by the jargon and the refs to specific manufacturers chips anymore.
Good job pointing out the shielding plane on the memory traces area. I think that is 100% what it is. I notice the surface traces a lot on cheaper boards and wonder how they get away with it. Its better buried and shielded.
Is 10:44 pm. 50 min video from buildzoid. Sleep is for newbs.
I finished it, no regrets. I know you can't confirm nor deny, but I believe "thingy" is either infinity fabric or l3 cache
1.5x speed ;)
@@lassevejrum5426 speedtalking w/ 1.5x acceleration, mmm looks pretty
You mean for "casuals", like BZ likes to call them :D
Who goes to sleep then? 5 am or not a gamer
I work alot with EMI equipment and design. The reason to sandwitch the memory traces between ground planes is to prevent EMI from messing with signal integrity. The power rails tend to radiate energy at higher current states, which could potentially mess up the signals. I noticed that my Taichi board has memory errors when the CPU is overclocked hard, and is likely due to this... because at stock CPU speeds the memory can be clocked a lot higher.
Wapn Perfo well ryzens memory controller is directly affected by clock speeds on the cpu. For me if i went from 3.9ghz (ryzen 1700) down to 3.8ghz i can get my memory more stable at 3066 but at 3.9ghz i cant boot over 2933. Its just a limitation of the internal memory controller. I have an x370 taichi also and the memory has been notoriously bad on first gen ryzen. But also i have no electrical engineering experience so who really knows
NDA on thingy.
Cant talk about thingy.
But the motherboard could be good for thingy.
:D
@ First rule of thingy, we dont talk about thingy.
@ But there's no video out on the board.
@ Okay, you've got me genuinely curious. If the board doesn't have video out, why would someone overclock an IGP? (Or even install an APU?) Not trying to be a jerk, I'm genuinely curious what I'm missing.
@ Not even a hint?
@ MSI says the 4 phase SOC VRM is for memory overclocking. Looks like your rude response was also ignorant. www.msi.com/blog/the-powerful-vrm-solution-for-msi-x570-motherboards
Always do your BIOS update during a thunderstorm. More fun that way.
I don't watch videos from BZ unless its 20+ mins =D
🤣🤣🤣 👍🏻
Dear God Buildzoid, I love the PCB breakdowns, LOVE LOVE LOVE the rambly videos. But when Buildzoid said "4 way Fury X's, and I would totally stick 4 of them in this Motherboard" I laughed so hard mac & cheese got spit all over my Monitor, and ya know what? Worth it, not even mad lol Then I said outloud "That's SO Buildzoid, just no fucks given like ever!"
8:24 4d修不好 (4d cannot be repaired) I wonder what that 4d is
This is your best breakdown video yet! Lots of useful information on the board layout, pcb quality, pcie lane layout etc! Top notch data info for dirty casuals like me :D
About the possibility of 4-way GPUs: If you're talking about, say, pascal nvidia cards (you did mention 4-way 1080tis), you could replace the PCIe shunt with a higher resistance resistor to trick it into pulling less of its power from the slot. That could save your 24 pin and still let you do it.
you could also just rewire the 12V planes of the GPU to not use the PCI-e slot at all
48 mins to watch.... getting confortable on the toilet seat, my gf knocking on the door but i can't leave until i finish the video...... i couldn't ask for anything better to start my sunday morning
A year later, I must ask - did you get any splashes on your thingy?
@@maydayj2099 😂😂😂
Is your ass still asleep?
Lol
Buildzoid it seems Nvidia super has unlocked voltage. What you think bout it
@IbukiHimari It may not make a big difference, but fiddlers like Buildzoid go to great efforts to get GPU voltages unlocked. And there were bemoans from the clocking community that the voltages on the 20 series were locked tight and conservatively.
I guess he'd like unlocked voltages - but we don't know any details of what Super is yet.
There is no point to talk about rumors, wait for official announcements and reviews.
no chance they unlocked the voltage on it . they don't want to deal with idiots blowing up their cards with a click of the mouse.
not a chance that happens.. considering EVGA even now can't officially include a bios for the 2080ti kingpin to remove the power limit, there's no way nvidia will all of a sudden support it out of the box.
I'd love to see you do a video called something like "If I were to design a motherboard" where you take your knowledge in this area and apply it to designing a motherboard without current case constraints. How much of the standard AT-styled board layout leads to the difficulty of getting these boards to work well? For instance, if you had the RAM on one side of the CPU and the GPU connectors on the other side, would it be easier to route the signals?
i respect you for still using windows 7
I hope MSI continues to make good boards like this. And hopefully continue the same with B*50 boards as well. Very curious as to what Asus and AsRock has to offer this time.
filthy casual signing in
Haha!! I think I may also be considered one. :P
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Hi, so I just received this board and all I can say is: remember to lift with the legs, not the back when picking up the package. I showed to my friend (who will be getting my current system when I build this new one) and he literally did a cartoon jaw drop.
Is the thingy the *Infinity fabric*? It would be cool to overclock the sh*t out of it.
That would be nice especially if you can use 3200mhz ram, but clock the IF to same clock as 3600mhz ram or even use 4000mhz+ ram at 1 to 1 ratio which would be crazy fast.
Something along the lines of the Northbridge i guess
@@owowowdhxbxgakwlcybwxsimcwx yeah, still would be nice if they give the ability to overclock it.
Tech n' Games
It would be funny if everyone's boards let the smoke out.
beautiful board!!!! i like the x99 godlike also!!! awesome job buildzoid!!!
If dual 8 pins at the top aren't needed, why can't extra 12v pcie power be pulled from there?
Because those 8 pins are meant for the cpu and not pcie and I think that the mobo manufacturers imagine us literally destroying every cpu, so they were like "You need more power" 😂😂 but yeah they could have done what you said. Just ignore this comment. I don't care and neither are they
Because while one is enough there are instances were poor cables and large power output could equal houses burning down and they don't want the risk of pushing them to their theoretical limits.
@@thehumangerm but for ryzen CPUs there is actually almost no way of that happening unless there is a defect in the actual wires or something similar. Thanks mate ✌
@@rockingttalent3666 wire defects on cables is quite common.
At 20:27 The missing component is actually a capacitor and the button and the capacitor might be in the final product. I think this is a final product picture on the MSI site : asset.msi.com/resize/image/global/product/product_6_20190527092315_5ceb3c032904b.png62405b38c58fe0f07fcef2367d8a9ba1/1024.png
can t wait to see X570 it in action. Godlike VRM and maybe later this year threadripper using zen2 = crazy powerful cpu lineup
Great information as always, except the PCIE power bit...
I kind of wish you could somehow edit this to include that you now know that the extra CPU 8 Pins at the top of the board also supply extra power to the PCIE Slots when needed. This board can absolutely handle 4x480 if you want to without melting the 24pin or the PCIE Slots themselves.
I love your videos for two reasons.. first and foremost, your videos are incredibly educational and informative.. and secondly, you sound like Kermit
That second 8-pin supplies power to the PCIE too so it doesn't stress the 24-pin.
Referring to from 04:53 in. So Buildzoid, 4 x 75W (300+ Watts in total) is too much to go through the 2 x 12V lines of the 24-pin connector, without 6-pin CPU connector support. But how much PCI-e slot Wattage **in total** can go safely through the 2 x 12V lines of the 24-pin connector, without 6-pin CPU connector support?
Correction: the *2nd* thing people notice about this board is PCIe slots. The 1st would be the price.
How about the ridicously name? GL...
So, Something Buildzoid would actually find intiresting, is there are Zotac 750 Ti Thunderbolt cards, which were never sold anywhere but china, currently on aliexpress.
Why is that that my M5A99FX PRO R2.0 (FX motherboard) has a chipset northbridge that has 20W output... and no fan on a relatively small chunk of aluminium, but a 14W chipset needs a massive heatsink with fan?
I mean it gets hot (so hot that I put a 50mm radial "3D printer head" fan on it), but it seems like they just don't want stuff to get hot, rather than needing it to stay within spec?
Since Gigabyte apparently sells a top-end board with a passively-cooled chipset, that points to the ability of all of the boards to come with passive cooling. Instead, though, they're either using passive cooling to sell people overpriced boards or they're waiting for the 2.0 round to try to get people to buy based on these improvements.
@1:16 it really looks like the bottom PCI_E4 slot is wired for 8x. But I checked the spec page on MSI website and it confirms as BZ mentions, x4. Before all the AMD announcements, I was honestly just hoping for PCIE gen 4 to the chipset, and would have been happy with PCIE gen 3 for the extra slots hanging off the PCH, but this is amazing connectivity for a consumer board.
What are you expecting from motherboards with B550 chipset? Maybe better VRMs than on the B450/X470? thx
Passive cooling , no vrm extreme, no rgb, only 1gbit lan and 32gb ram, small USB only for drivers, 2-3 PCI ex slots , matisse cpu full support, additional wired fix for pwr/led/hdd etc.if I can run GPU+nvme+sata ssd is fine.
Ciprian he was asking what to expect for b550? As in why would you buy b550 over b450? I would imagine the vrms will definitely be better than b450, probably more usb gen 3.2, beyond that i dont realy know what we could expect. Although it seems there wont be any pcie 4.0 so no chipset fan. B550 is going to be more like the majnstream board this time around. But im almost certain better vrms and usb 3.2 gen 2. The x570 chipset and the added pcb layers to support the pcie 4.0 are the main thing driving up the cost on x570 so it makes sense that to cut cost they would just cut those features and leave the rest. I would even say there will for sure be big beefy vrms on some b550 for people who want high core count but dont need or want pcie 4.0
Probably improved RAM speed support.
If they have higher quality board materials they might have gone with lower capacitance traces for the RAM (good for latency), and I believe those are more sensitive to RF interference (but only by a miniscule amount). It would probably be easier to glue ferrite planes on the motherboard to try and combat stuff like that though.
Hey Buildzoid whats with the last +1 in the VRM description on the GODLIKE website says :
'Flagship 14+4+1 phases IR digital VRM and brand-new infinity design, symbolizes the unlimited performance and power.'
And the ACE mobo says:
'Win games and set records with 12+2+1 IR digital power'
Total 18 phase of mosfet and choke. Yeah kinda curious what is this "+1"
@@fernandokurniawan4079 The "1" is 99% the memory VRM phase. DDR4 doesn't need much power.
I'm intrigued about 'thingy'...
Prolly the IO chip, not?
It will gonna be like CPU-NB in AM3/+
@@Дмитрий-с3п4ы it was called hypertransport (not sure but it had ridiculous bandwidth)
@@mohamadelhassan2446 i think no, coz it have small impact when overclock compared to cpu-nb
Wendell, over at Level 1 Techs said that some newer motherboards like the GODLIKE, ACE and x570 Unify. (The x570 Unify would make a good PCB breakdown board) But, as far as those 3 board's with 2 8pin power connectors for the CPU. The second 8pin also can deliver extra power to the PCI-e x16 slots. Instead of another onboard 6pin.
Almost 50 minutes! YASSS!
Absolutely brilliant excellent content! Thanks for the education. :)
BTW, at 21:50 you specify what the jumper JLN1 is "according to the manual of the board". I could not find the manual at the MSI website. Are you allowed to share the manual or do you know where to find it already?
I went back to watch your GN gigabyte Xtreme video. These 2 boards use the same TDA21472 70A SPS
The giga use REAL 14 phase with new controller
The msi use doubler from 7 into 14
Either its cost-cutting or msi know something we dont
Is there a possibility that the "Ridiculous overkill extra 8 pin" can provide extra power the pcie slots?
It shouldn't if it's wired like 100% of mobos I'm aware of.
25:14 you say "at least for AMD motherboards" is there a reason why a controller can be used on Intel but not AMD and vice versa?
Architectural reasons probably, like memory access patterns and straight up wiring, the pinning is very different from amd to Intel iirc
10:49. None PCI-E Gen4 card; Will not run as PCI-E Gen4 too. Got it. But may I ask? can I run 2x 570's in crossfire regardless of Gen4 PCI-E???
yup they'll run Gen 3 speeds
@@scarletspidernz Welp. X470 then! Good! Heck they'll be on clearance sale this June.
Hey here's something really stupid, can't you modify vBioses to limit the powerdraw from the pcie slot? I remember seeing something like that in a vBios editor. Correct me if I'm wrong :)
That's a good question. IDK about Nvidia's Turing but AMD's upcoming Navi is going to be locked even tighter on hacking that stuff. I know you can hack that stuff on Vega and Polaris though. I think I've heard you can on Pascal but I'm not as certain.
An even better question then will be will AMD expose a legit option to limit PCIe slot power on Navi. That could also explain Navi having those seemingly unnecessary dual 8 pins. Since Navi is thus far the only announced GPU architecture you could actually run quad-gpu on this board with if you could work out the power issue.
@@abigailpatridge2948 I saw this on my GTX 970 so it could've been locked already
According to the Buildzoid MSI X570 Unify analysis, it DOES use the extra CPU 8-pin to power the GPUs and thinks other MSI X570 boards do as well, including the Godlike. :)
not it doesn't that was a mistake on my part.
It’s the RadioShack engineer!!!
What's funny MSI motherboards are the only one left without even preliminary Zen2 support - microcode (and all PSP stuff) is missing and there's no way to replace it as it's smallest among all x470 boards (tried and tested different ways of doing this with an AC7 user, no luck)
4-way FuryX, I guess that this answers my question who would be crazy enough to buy a 1200V PSU. :)
Its on MSIs website now, but no price. Just FYI. ASrock has a couple up, Gigabyte has a few. X570s i mean. Been scoping them out to upgrade my Steel Legend eventually.
manufacturers use the -72 power stages instead of the -75 power stages because the -75 power stages aren't available yet/ didn't get available in time.
Hey buildzoid do you have any plans on making. A video ranking the best power stages/mosfets that are currently being used, and ones you are excited about in the future?
What's that "4d修不好" sticker on the USB cover?
Does anyone know how to find output information in current for a power stage? I tried to look up a certain power stage but all I can find is a data sheet that does not state power output in current unless I am not seeing it. Thanks
Could the board divert power from the 2 8-pins EPS power connectors to the PCIe slots? Since those could handle about 800W of power, diverting up to 300W doesn't seem like a stretch to me. Not sure if it's at all possible, however since the PCIe slots don't have sense pins like the PCIe power connectors, it may as well be.
The price makes my eyes water. Holy shitballs.
But Buildzoid, the MSI reps themselves in the interview with hardware cannucks told us that the X570 godlike is supposed to run a PCIE 4.0 Bridge chip and offer 16+16+16+4. Why is your board not the right MSI X570 MEG Godlike? Are there two versions of the board?
I think THIS one is somewhat of an engineering sample, the retail one looks a bit different!
Maybe some of the CPU 12V lines help power the PCIe slots.. I mean, they have a lot of power budget on those connectors to spare.
It would at least make rational sense, if they have far too much CPU 12V lines, and not enough PCIe 12V lines.
Also, why keep the 24 pin and PCIe 12 V plane separate from the CPU 12 V plane? Just in case you don't have one connected, and you don't want the other to be overloaded? Surely they can just sense if something isn't connected, or some of the lines are being overloaded.. ?
But Buildzoid.... will you show us the thingy?
CPU's in slots I remember them late 80's into 90's what is old is new again for PCI 4.0
What exactly do you mean? - I don't think we have any CPU's available recently for PCI slots.
At 6:17 there are two 8-pin power connectors (up-left corner of the mobo). The MSI site says they are CPU power pins, and you're saying that you would add a 6-pin CPU pin. Could it be that these power the PCIe..? Or is it just for the CPU overlocking? (MSI does say these are for the core boost). Edit: I probably should have watched the video all the way through first, you do explain this at 20:09, and so these are just for the CPU. So it would have been better for MSI to not have these, and have a 6-pin instead...
Is there gonna be a video about the thingy once the NDA lifts? Now I'm curious :D
probably though I'm gonna be super busy on launch week so it will take some time before I produce anything.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking is it under NDA until the 1st when preorder start or are they going to just be like... Surprise!
When will they lift NDA tho?
Little late to the party, but the extra 8-pin couldn't be supplying the extra 12v needed for the 4-way-sli?
Pause at 4:52 Is it me or this board is the first to have a diagonal placed microchip/LED combo and a rounded circuit electrical line(next to the LED chip) JP1PE_LED 2. Looks like a train station there :))
Will you do ITX boards? I'll buy one and your review would help a lot.
Great breakdown! Question though,
5:37 , You mentioned you shouldn't run four high-end GPU's due to not enough power via the 24-pin, and that could cause damage
But if your high-end GPU is a GTX 1080 TI, and comes with a 6-pin and 8-pin slot built into it, wouldn't you just run that into the PSU and bypass
having to use that 24-pin?
some of VGA VRMs use PCI-e slot's power lines for one or two phase of gpu or vmem and the others phases gets power by 6- & 8- pin connectors.
@@someone7565 You just went beyond my knowledge lol!
I'm assuming your confirming that 4x 1080 TI's on this board, would still be too much?
@@DanielBelaytv I think if you put 4 variations of 1080 Ti, which minimally use the power of PCIe slots, it will work fine, but I can't say which models of 1080 Ti is it.
@@someone7565 Cool, thanks again for the helpful response!
I don't need two graphics cards. But I **DO** want an x16 slot for a card PLUS an x4-x4-x4-x4 slot so I can run a 4-card M.2 RAID array. Plus another two (not necessarily 16 lanes) for, er, stuff. Gimme.
Well, if you can only achieve 300A with LN2, would the VRM really need a heatsink for 24W then? :D
Didn't MSI use the CPU P8 for PCIe power on this one too? (like on Unify)
have you ever considered doing efficiency and ripple measurements on vrm designs?
ripple and transient response yes. Efficiency is pretty much impossible to do since you can't really measure the 100A+ coming out of the VRM without causing problems.
When are we going to see some Asus boards? I'm getting an Asus X570 motherboard and would like see them.
DragonBane im wondering the same. I think buildzoid said in a previous mobo breakdown that steve from gamers nexus was asking to get pictures of the boards at computex and asus wouldnt let then take pictures. But im wondering the same. Bad decision for asus i was almost certainly getting an asus crosshair 8 hero since the crosshair hero has been money for first and second gen ryzen, but now that all of these breakdowns are out there i have all but decided i wont be getting asus since we have no info on them. And dropping 350 dollars or more with little to no information about the board is a no go for me if im throwing a 500 cpu in there
Are you also doing the Crosshair 8 on your channel? Can't wait to see you do the rest of the 30 ASUS boards over on Gamers Nexus.
Can't wait to see all the flavors of 4 phase VRM ASUS X570 boards, now with and without chipset fans, VRM monoblocks, and varying amounts of I/O on the boards /s
Isn't that a warranty case if the 24 pin blows up from running 4 pci devices in the pci port?
Like isn't that something that's supposed to work?
What I find most interesting is the CPU bracket. Isn't that an AM3+ mounting bracket on an AM4 mobo?
Can anyone say how much power can be safely used over the 4 PCIe slots? Does the NVMe slots share that same power?
HI i just come across your videe the z390 version did have power connector by PCi slots but not on this version , which sadly i have
I feel like I would just step down to the ACE and get almost all of the benefits.
4 Phase SOC?
sounds like a good board to crank a 3400G on then KappaRoss
(shh DON'T ASK WHY YOU'D RUN AN APU ON A TOP-END BOARD)
it is a stupid 4 phase... At least not a two in terms of APU overclocking
But this board dont have video output tho lol.
Damn bastards thought it through!
Could they be running the GPU 12V from the dual CPU power connectors? They have plenty of current leftover, and given the possible firey-failure of putting four GPUs on the motherboard's ATX Connector, it is incredibly bizarre if they did NOT have some way of powering the PCIE slots if all are populated.
Generally motherboards don't do that
On the Buildzoid MSI X570 Unify analysis he says the Unify DOES use the extra CPU 8-pin to power the GPU slots and thinks other MSI X570 boards do as well including the Godlike.
I wonder what the random blue header on the back of the board is for programming that won't be on the retail version
Thanks for this review! Say, since you've reviewed the Unify in November 2019 (where the 8 pin CPU power connectors power the GPUs), have you changed your mind on the 8 pin CPU connector(s) powering the GPU (edit: on the Godlike)?
The thingy is strong with this thingy - Mr Thingy
Has anyone had audio problems with MSI motherboards? My MSI board seems to have issues with high-frequency switching leaking into the ground of ports and messing up the audio (buzzing and humming when during screen drawing and heavy GPU loads). Oh, and it affects headphones as well as speakers. Routing audio over HDMI helps, but the interference is still there.
what's your board and PSU?
@@IsssaKnife msi B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC and Seasonic Focus Plus Gold 650w
Being ryzen 3000 only gives 16 lanes to the GPUs and other such things. Would it be possible to use a HTC vive wireless adapter while having two rx vega cards in your system as the adapter only needs a 1x slot or would you just not have enough?
Could you use add in card with x2 m.2 with top 2 m.2 slots and raid 0 them together?
Can someone help me. If i get a B450 motherboard for a Ryzen 3000 will i haev to have a 2000 series first to update the BIOS?
When SLI needs PCIE 3.0 8x, would not PCIE 4.0 4x be enough as it's the same bandwidth? Ok, just arrived at 11:11, DUH
Nvidias requirement hasn't changed since pcie1.1 x8 at 2GB/s bandwidth (and 1GB for the bridge) so in theory you could run SLI today on a PCIE4x1 slot, But Nvidia says no.
Would it not make more sense to go with threadripper or something at these costs?
You said Asus refuses to use doublers but doesnt the C7 Hero has doublers as well? I ask because I plan to use that board for the new Ryzen CPUs and was wondering if this would be better for normal OC. Main reason os because X570 look to be very expensive just for PCIE4.
what is the DAMN THINGY ?? :D
Rule number 1 of thingy: we dont talk about thingy.
How is the impact of the VRM on the power consumption? (In basic usage, and not super high inefficient Overclock?
And are 4*4gb Ram better than 2*8gb? I saw some videos that let it look like. DUAL Channel MEMORY BOARD and same Timings etc ! (In this video it sounds not like it, but why could it be true, if it was the case? )
I’m not seeing a reason to choose x570 over hedt if someone needed that many direct to cpu lanes for drives/devices in their workloads. The tossup is whether 64gb or 128gb of ram will suffice in your workstation.
could you upload the picture somewhere?
Asus TUF and P X570 boards apparently put 3 powerstages into a phase :D , and of course being Asus there's no doublers whatsoever (odd number powerstages per phase in a controller can't use them anyway)
BCLK buttons I can last remember on the green gigabyte xoc boards from z77