It is amazing one what can throw codes on newer vehicles, I have a 2.2L ecotec and it had this problem, thought I new what it was, seeing as how I just cleaned the throttle body and MAF sensor, so I had a good idea what it was :P Good video, a shame it was that short though, looking forward to more.
Hey Eric! I have been watching all your videos for a while now and wanted to let you know that I appreciate your work and efforts. I have a 2006 Saturn Ion 2.4L with the cup at the end of a fuel injector that came off the injector and is stuck in the engine. Any advice?
Hey Eric heres one. I dont have the scanner to view live data. Heres the issue. 2000 silverado 2500 hd with a 6.0. 265k on the clock. Very suddenly it starts idling very high. p0507 code thrown. i clean the throttle body properly, use a multimeter to check idle air, and remove and clean it. i check my tps and clean it. i cleaned my MAF sensor with the proper stuff. i check for intake leaks using a flammable spray, and the soapy water way. The engine idles very high on cold start(1500rpm) when its warm its 2000. it stays high when you drive it to. The only thing i havent checked is the PCV valve. i also havent taken off the intake manifold yet. i suspect oil may be in it. Also a side note. it starts throwing a No communication from MAF to o2 bank one. i uplug the MAF while its running. It stays running. I change the MAF. same deal.
I cannot believe 'the internet' didn't fix that guys car! Perhaps injectors and solenoids were cheaper than a half hours diagnostic? Nice video Eric. I hate customers on Internet forums! The labour rate should double if the words 'on the forum it says...' Come out of the owners mouth!
Toyota Tech The sad thing is if he went to SaturnFans.com and posted his problems everyone there would have been able to tell him what was wrong. Theres a pretty damn good Saturn community there (especially for the S-Series cars), because of that forum my '95 SL1 runs like a beauty, after the previous owner treated it like crap.
So hey I can hear a leak coming from the intake manifold of this 2.2 ecotec I'm working on. The only code over got is 303 but after putting a new ICM on I got a 300 and much more violent misfire. Put the old ICM back on and it's back to normal, misfiring only when up to temperature. I'll definitely do the brake cleaner test and go from there.
There was another site where the problem was a piece of plastic fell into the throttle body, keeping the throttle blade open. Taking the piece out so the throttle blade could close all the way cured the problem.
Im getting P0172 on my Saturn. I had change the 02 oxygen sensor upstream, new fuel rain and injectors, tempature control, thermostat, , idk what else I should check- Or should I try what you did ‘ ?
I have a po300 and a p1174on my 06 Saturn 2.4 as well. Plugs, purge valve, injectors o2 sensor all new. My fuel pump pressure test was erratic and we replaced it. Still misfiring on number 3. What’s weird is that it had a po303 but when I replaced the o2 sensor it went to a po300. So frustrating.
You know erick .!when u get 100,000 subs..you tube will send a check and plaque!!!keep doing what u doing ull go far!ill be here...the only thing its gonna take a lot of ur time..i can see it on face!but congrats u doing great..like everytime great video!..
South Main Auto Repair It's just a plaque not a check too. Don't get your hopes up with a bonus. I can see you becoming more popular than ETCG eventually due to the frequency and quality of your documentation. Just don't drive yourself mad by trying to answer everyone's questions like he and Kilmer do online. Just tell people to go visit their local mechanic.
***** I didn't ETCG Ever responded to anyone... I don't think I have ever seen him answer a question or acknowledge anyone unless they were extreme hater. Or are you talking about his forum?
South Main Auto Repair He used to. Just saying eventually you'll hit a critical mass to the point you won't even remember who I am and my comments will be buried in the millions of others. I was around to see many channels blow up from a couple hundred to hundreds of thousands. When that happens just remember not to forget what made your channel successful in the first place. Don't change a thing. I'll be happy for you when that happens. Until then I can still enjoy conversing with you.
Those Saturn engines are good from my experience. I've recently done a compression test on one with 175K miles on it and it showed 185 PSI across the board. I thought that's impressive! Maybe it was just a well maintained one,I don't know...
Good diagnosis. I'm confused though how an intake leak would cause a lean code, I thought it would cause a rich code because metered air escaping but the determined amount of fuel is still entering the cylinder. Can someone explain this to me?
Anthony Filice The amount of metered air is reduced and the ECM is not adding the correct amount of fuel is the simplest way I can put it. All the air entering the engine is not going through the MAF so the ECM will only add fuel for the measured amount going in . Make sense?
The computer measures the air coming in via THE FRONT DOOR and adds fuel to match it. Hypothetically call it a 1to1 air/fuel mixture. This manifold intake gasket is the living room windows being left open. Now you have 1.5 air flowing into the house. The front door sensor doesn't register the living room window air so the computer added gas is still a "1" but the air in the house is 1.5. The house is getting more air flow but the window air isn't being registered by the sensor. Car is running a 1.5/1 ratio. Lean, not enough fuel (food). If you dinner enough, you get LEAN too. Button up the house so the air flows from front door, through the sensor, combusts in the house and goes out the back door (where gramma smokes!). Redheads are hot. Molly Quinn is proof.
I've been looking a good scanners. I have a 99 dodge ram. also looking at buying a camry 2001ish. on scanners, Should I get one of the higher end innova scanners or buy that big scanner autel from harbor freight?
Good video i have a 97 Avalon xls with code 125 and 135 and both say bank 1 sensor 1 are they the same air fuel sensor heated can one code be responsible for another tnx
Hey buddy I have a 06 Saturn ion same motor same exact everything but I have had the car tested at Advanced Auto which that place is horrible and excuse my language but they have shitty parts.. but anyway I also took it to AutoZone an the test came back to be the same thing 1 random misfire an 2 which leads to whenever I stop to put fuel in it and then I would crank up the car but won't run until I feather the gas pedal so I would start it again an fires right up but I have to hold it at 2rpms for 3 to 4 minutes after that it'll run ok but if I let right then it'll stall out but the car did keep on cutting off me sometimes while driving an stopping anywhere but I took some carb cleaner and took off the air intake an sprayed it so now it quit doing that for now just does it whenever I put any amount of fuel in it.
phil holbrook Call snap on they will send you a jump drive. At least that is how I did it when I had no guy. Now I just get them over the internet but you should call or email them for details.
Were you purposely ignoring the low 8.8 in hg map sensor reading to pretend like you didn't know what was going on? Lol, that was actually the first thing I noticed that seemed off.
The local Advance here will scan your code free(just a code reader, no data) and the parts guy would try to sell you an o2 sensor for something like that. I've seen it in the parking lot! It also had the code for the other bank so that would make bad sensors even less likely. Since he was parked next to me I had to watch, I told him and the owner to investigate further but he is a "parts pro" he said. The owner didn't buy the sensors. Told him to get maf cleaner instead(it was an older ford vehicle) and then look for vac leaks if the issue still exists. P0171 codes are 99% not the o2 sensor. Like blaming the postman for someone not sending you your check! P0133 though is another story, but still not 100% the sensor.
Brake clean is a fuel source. Add external fuel and the computer will take fuel away. Feedback loop involving the oxygen sensor. Brake clean will drive oxygen sensor rich, computer will take fuel away and fuel trim will fall.
Wouldn't the video be lot shorter if only you click "Fix it!" button it displayed next to the Code Description ? Every time you show that screen, I am yelling "Go Ahead Eric, Press That Button!"
I love it. Nice and easy. Hopefully the rest of the job is the same. Get ready for all of the ac repairs coming. Tis the season.
Michael Herbert Yeah the first 90 degree day with be a mess lol
I'm a bit disappointed when your diagnostic vids are under 10 minutes long :( jk awesome work man...sweet and to the point!
Sticking to the basics... love it. Such a logical approach. So simple it's mind blowing sometimes. Lol. Buenísimo vid sir! 😊☺
It is amazing one what can throw codes on newer vehicles, I have a 2.2L ecotec and it had this problem, thought I new what it was, seeing as how I just cleaned the throttle body and MAF sensor, so I had a good idea what it was :P
Good video, a shame it was that short though, looking forward to more.
Did yours keep stalling out?
Because I had to do the same thing
Hey Eric! I have been watching all your videos for a while now and wanted to let you know that I appreciate your work and efforts. I have a 2006 Saturn Ion 2.4L with the cup at the end of a fuel injector that came off the injector and is stuck in the engine. Any advice?
Good find with the vacuum leak! An a body gm that has frt end noises, never seen that before😂!
Jonathan Milbury yeah me neither haha
Great troubleshooting diagnosis!
Hendrik Hallo Thanks
Hey Eric heres one. I dont have the scanner to view live data. Heres the issue. 2000 silverado 2500 hd with a 6.0. 265k on the clock. Very suddenly it starts idling very high. p0507 code thrown. i clean the throttle body properly, use a multimeter to check idle air, and remove and clean it. i check my tps and clean it. i cleaned my MAF sensor with the proper stuff. i check for intake leaks using a flammable spray, and the soapy water way. The engine idles very high on cold start(1500rpm) when its warm its 2000. it stays high when you drive it to. The only thing i havent checked is the PCV valve. i also havent taken off the intake manifold yet. i suspect oil may be in it. Also a side note. it starts throwing a No communication from MAF to o2 bank one. i uplug the MAF while its running. It stays running. I change the MAF. same deal.
Good Video. But these old ones you were so stiff in. Loved it.
Nice find On the Vacuum leak With the lean Condition good Work Eric O @SouthMainAutoRepairLLC
So the customer decided to fire the parts cannon before bringing it to you? Awesome!
Thanks Eric, shalom.
I cannot believe 'the internet' didn't fix that guys car! Perhaps injectors and solenoids were cheaper than a half hours diagnostic? Nice video Eric. I hate customers on Internet forums! The labour rate should double if the words 'on the forum it says...' Come out of the owners mouth!
Toyota Tech Don't beat yourself up too much about it.
I may have gone on a bit of a rant! Long day if that can be an excuse?
Yeah I know what you mean. The weeks just getting started too.
Toyota Tech Internet forums or the "me and my buddy who USE to work for GM , until he hurt his back" lol I get that one a lot
Toyota Tech The sad thing is if he went to SaturnFans.com and posted his problems everyone there would have been able to tell him what was wrong. Theres a pretty damn good Saturn community there (especially for the S-Series cars), because of that forum my '95 SL1 runs like a beauty, after the previous owner treated it like crap.
So hey I can hear a leak coming from the intake manifold of this 2.2 ecotec I'm working on. The only code over got is 303 but after putting a new ICM on I got a 300 and much more violent misfire. Put the old ICM back on and it's back to normal, misfiring only when up to temperature. I'll definitely do the brake cleaner test and go from there.
How did the vacuum leak get fixed? Crack in plastic or something wasn't tight?
There was another site where the problem was a piece of plastic fell into the throttle body, keeping the throttle blade open. Taking the piece out so the throttle blade could close all the way cured the problem.
good job
much better than throwing parts at it
Im getting P0172 on my Saturn. I had change the 02 oxygen sensor upstream, new fuel rain and injectors, tempature control, thermostat, , idk what else I should check-
Or should I try what you did ‘ ?
I have a po300 and a p1174on my 06 Saturn 2.4 as well. Plugs, purge valve, injectors o2 sensor all new. My fuel pump pressure test was erratic and we replaced it. Still misfiring on number 3. What’s weird is that it had a po303 but when I replaced the o2 sensor it went to a po300. So frustrating.
Nice job Eric thanks for sharing
Mark Ferraro YW
Nice job Eriic. I enjoy your videos as much as my guy Scanner Danner
You know erick .!when u get 100,000 subs..you tube will send a check and plaque!!!keep doing what u doing ull go far!ill be here...the only thing its gonna take a lot of ur time..i can see it on face!but congrats u doing great..like everytime great video!..
Stenio Fernandez Wow a check and a plaque huh? Nice :)
South Main Auto Repair It's just a plaque not a check too. Don't get your hopes up with a bonus. I can see you becoming more popular than ETCG eventually due to the frequency and quality of your documentation. Just don't drive yourself mad by trying to answer everyone's questions like he and Kilmer do online. Just tell people to go visit their local mechanic.
Yeah djdevon is right about that dont go crazy answering every one actualy not every one does.u doing great!
***** I didn't ETCG Ever responded to anyone... I don't think I have ever seen him answer a question or acknowledge anyone unless they were extreme hater. Or are you talking about his forum?
South Main Auto Repair He used to. Just saying eventually you'll hit a critical mass to the point you won't even remember who I am and my comments will be buried in the millions of others. I was around to see many channels blow up from a couple hundred to hundreds of thousands. When that happens just remember not to forget what made your channel successful in the first place. Don't change a thing. I'll be happy for you when that happens. Until then I can still enjoy conversing with you.
Those Saturn engines are good from my experience. I've recently done a compression test on one with 175K miles on it and it showed 185 PSI across the board. I thought that's impressive! Maybe it was just a well maintained one,I don't know...
Nick Nicu Then "pop" thge timing chain breaks... 0psi haha
Lol
Good diagnosis. I'm confused though how an intake leak would cause a lean code, I thought it would cause a rich code because metered air escaping but the determined amount of fuel is still entering the cylinder. Can someone explain this to me?
Anthony Filice The amount of metered air is reduced and the ECM is not adding the correct amount of fuel is the simplest way I can put it. All the air entering the engine is not going through the MAF so the ECM will only add fuel for the measured amount going in . Make sense?
South Main Auto Repair thank you I understand. I though air would escape but extra air is being added in.
That is correct it is under vacuum remember...
The computer measures the air coming in via THE FRONT DOOR and adds fuel to match it.
Hypothetically call it a 1to1 air/fuel mixture.
This manifold intake gasket is the living room windows being left open.
Now you have 1.5 air flowing into the house. The front door sensor doesn't register the living room window air so the computer added gas is still a "1" but the air in the house is 1.5.
The house is getting more air flow but the window air isn't being registered by the sensor.
Car is running a 1.5/1 ratio.
Lean, not enough fuel (food).
If you dinner enough, you get LEAN too.
Button up the house so the air flows from front door, through the sensor, combusts in the house and goes out the back door (where gramma smokes!).
Redheads are hot.
Molly Quinn is proof.
@@EvilTwin123 very good explanation. I'm going to use it when I explain to the wife.
I've been looking a good scanners. I have a 99 dodge ram. also looking at buying a camry 2001ish. on scanners, Should I get one of the higher end innova scanners or buy that big scanner autel from harbor freight?
+Richard Cowtails The 708 Autel is that the one you are looking at?
I'm not sure whatever harbor freight has to offer.
All I need now is a couple dozen cans of that super secret brakes clean!! 🤣
That’ll stop it fo show! 😂
Now on to the matinee!
South Main Auto Repair Eric.. What do you think of them Zetec engines from the Ford Focus, Contour...
Good video i have a 97 Avalon xls with code 125 and 135 and both say bank 1 sensor 1 are they the same air fuel sensor heated can one code be responsible for another tnx
ERIC, nice one double thumbs up.
Hey buddy I have a 06 Saturn ion same motor same exact everything but I have had the car tested at Advanced Auto which that place is horrible and excuse my language but they have shitty parts.. but anyway I also took it to AutoZone an the test came back to be the same thing 1 random misfire an 2 which leads to whenever I stop to put fuel in it and then I would crank up the car but won't run until I feather the gas pedal so I would start it again an fires right up but I have to hold it at 2rpms for 3 to 4 minutes after that it'll run ok but if I let right then it'll stall out but the car did keep on cutting off me sometimes while driving an stopping anywhere but I took some carb cleaner and took off the air intake an sprayed it so now it quit doing that for now just does it whenever I put any amount of fuel in it.
Is the gasket hard to replace? My car doing the exact same thing
do you know how to update the verus? i dont have a snap on guy bought it from ebay works good just want to update
phil holbrook Call snap on they will send you a jump drive. At least that is how I did it when I had no guy. Now I just get them over the internet but you should call or email them for details.
how much do they run? tryin to get the new 15.2 to be current
Mmmm maybe a smidgen over a grand I think
I guessed right away vacuum leak and/or intake. That's been mysterious symptom lol the plenum INSIDE my intake lol
Makes sense and thanks..
Were you purposely ignoring the low 8.8 in hg map sensor reading to pretend like you didn't know what was going on? Lol, that was actually the first thing I noticed that seemed off.
Is the brake cleaner method superior to the smoke test?
👍👍
How did you resolve the P1174 code, I got this on my Chevy uplander 2008
Did you ever fix this code?
@@portland0002??
The local Advance here will scan your code free(just a code reader, no data) and the parts guy would try to sell you an o2 sensor for something like that. I've seen it in the parking lot! It also had the code for the other bank so that would make bad sensors even less likely.
Since he was parked next to me I had to watch, I told him and the owner to investigate further but he is a "parts pro" he said. The owner didn't buy the sensors. Told him to get maf cleaner instead(it was an older ford vehicle) and then look for vac leaks if the issue still exists.
P0171 codes are 99% not the o2 sensor. Like blaming the postman for someone not sending you your check! P0133 though is another story, but still not 100% the sensor.
alb12345672 Oh yeah good story. Usually the parts pro take everyone's money then they come here crying the blues and broke haha
Oh I just LOVE Parts Pro guys.
whats a good nasic scan tool to have if your doing your own repairs
What software are you using?
luckykidfour On what? On the verus or scanner?
I probably should have worded it differently, but I meant to ask what scanner tool are you using? It appears you're using a Verus
yes verus with 15.4
what kind of scan tool are you using? I have 05 ion with intermittent p0171 and p0302.
+Daniel Lyons Snap On Verus
Thank you
Great video
I always look on the scan tool to see if the lean condition is happening at idle. if so, then I look for vacuum leak.
Can timing chain cause a p0300 on 2011 chevy equinox?
Good job double thumbs up :)
My saturn vue generates a p0171 when I step on the accelerator padel. Please help me out
what if you get code p0171 & p0174 and bank 1 oxygen sensor code..would that be the oxygen sensor causing both lean conditions ?
@@octavio136 ever find out ?
a P0174 can be caused by an exhaust manifold leak right?
Brendan Cunningham Yes if it is leaking exhaust next to the 02 it can trip a lean code.
Man, how would you like to be guy that bought new injectors and solenoids for a leaking intake?
would have been interesting to see the repair on a Saturn
Molotov cocktail is how you repair a Saturn.
Beer money......Thanks for the video.
what kind of scan tool/software is that?
I thought brake cleaner would make the fuel trim go more positive.
Brake clean is a fuel source. Add external fuel and the computer will take fuel away. Feedback loop involving the oxygen sensor. Brake clean will drive oxygen sensor rich, computer will take fuel away and fuel trim will fall.
Andrew Porter thanks for the explanation I had wrong thought process now I understand.
Pleasure
there's your problem lady!
Poor performance? You are aware it's a Saturn, right?
Wouldn't the video be lot shorter if only you click "Fix it!" button it displayed next to the Code Description ? Every time you show that screen, I am yelling "Go Ahead Eric, Press That Button!"
+12vgs8606 It starts a fault tracing procedure if you click that
Come on, that was a joke!
Eric do you ever get anything hard? Lol
***** All the time haha
***** What kind of question is that??????? He has three kids!!!!
Lol. Yup. All these videos I'm seeing him do this juice work. Never seen him sweat. Or is he just that good?
Summer is coming I sweat like a pig lol
I have Chevy tahoe 2002 misfire cylinders 6 random misfire passenger side driver side is good 😢
Horrible engine
whats a good nasic scan tool to have if your doing your own repairs
whats a good nasic scan tool to have if your doing your own repairs
whats a good nasic scan tool to have if your doing your own repairs