@@CIRCLEOFTONE I always have a problem when it comes to these kinda movies. For example the movie The Haunting of Sharon Tate. Why the fuck you wanna televise such a thing? First of all Polanski is still alive. I don't know if he agrees or doesn't but it's a terrible, horrific tragedy surrounding one person and her unborn baby being murdered in such disgusting way. There are police photos of Sharon's body from the autopsy and from the crime scene circling around the internet for years now. And also couple of different shamefull movie projects on the same subject. I mean isn't that too much already? Aside to that, if Varg and others told them not to do it, then how the fuck do you get the legal right to televise someone's piece of life especially now that he served his time for it. But worse of all these actors, how can you interpret somebody based mostly on what you read in script or on the internet, again if the living and breathing person don't approve. I hope they get sued and I hope Varg and others get a great financial satisfaction for it. I don't agree with half of the things he says on his channel, but on this I support him all the way.
@@benjaminlinus2792 I care about Mrs. Tate's family...but I don't care about a guy that raped a young girl and fled the country think about the tragedy of those people being killed in his house with his wife. There were more SOULS being killed at that house not just Sharon Tate.
I REALLY hate to admit it, but the reason the portrayal of metalheads is usually so cringey, is because... we kinda are cringey. lol Especially in our rebellious youth.
Yep. Cringe HAD to be in the movie. Teenagers posing with fake swords in the forest making anguished faces etc is cringe. A lot of black metal fans believe the Grimm fairy tale they are being sold.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE tis funny bc these kind of dudes in their 19-22's were sayin I, by 12, listenning to evanescence, was tr00 bc of shit I had in mind (I was well depressed af and if I was older with the same depression I could've got close to what Dead was - but I still was listenning just evanescence)
Why? Black metal is mainstream. What other modern metal genre has more bands playing that style? It's so popular that a movie makes sense especially after the fake docs painting the scene as kvlt, kold and Grimm (when in reality it was kids wearing clown makeup wearing fake swords and posing in the forest). The documentaries are as fake as the movie. At least the movie portrayed some of the cringe.
@@deathlikesilence471 Prog and Djent get played on the radio? No. Rock and metal is dead relative to back in the day. Look at people like Anthony Fantano...He reviews more blackened metal, blackened rap etc than other types of metal. At least he did, because I think its finally jumping the shark. It's in vogue compared to other types of metal. I think that's the saddest thing about the scene. It was rage and intensity. Now it's larping/hipster and it's ruined the underground. You can't fucking move for blackened this and frozenn lakke stygian blah blah. The so called underground is now bigger than mainstream metal. It's a mess and it's all down to copycats and the lifetime network style black metal documentaries which painted a romantic ideal. ruclips.net/video/YCoqAjrGOo8/видео.html
CIRCLE OF TONE You are blowing everything out of proportion. Yes there are ripoff bands just like there always has but there are also bands that are taking metal in new directions and have crafted their own unique styles. The only people that say rock and metal is dead compared to back then are people that have been taking too much nostalgia Viagra and don't give new bands a chance because they like to tell themselves comfortable lies that "it wuz better back in muh day". It's people like you that are responsible for a culture that is obsessed with the past and paved the way for bands that do nothing but recreate the sounds of legendary old metal bands due to your nostalgia clouding your judgement.
@@deathlikesilence471? Did you watch my video? How can you claim I want nostalgia? It's the opposite. And I'm not overstating anything. Look at my recent videos. This one is by far the most popular because black metal has saturated the so called underground. ruclips.net/video/YCoqAjrGOo8/видео.html
Varg is more about being a pro pagan, pro European, than a nationalist. He moved to France because he married a French woman, France is in Europe. He criticizes Norway regularly, hardly what a nationalist does. Calling him a racist is kind of silly, if he’s a racist so be it, then every human on earth is a racist. Love him or hate him, he’s brave, speaks his mind and creates some incredible art. I’m a big fan.
@@PaulDaHeadBanger being a Odinist means having a Shamanic worldview based on northern European ancestry and mythology. According to your logic there isn't a single belief system that's not racist.
@@cyberserk5614 Odinist/Asatru here. The religion is not racist. How dense is that guys head? Then again, the media paints paganism in a bad light everytime because of the church controlling them.
The warning about the nature of scenes is true, this kind of stuff happens a lot but thankfully usually does not escalate as much as it did for the BM boys. Plenty of murky types in UK underground ;)
Varg has stated many times on his channel that he is against the modern political narrative of the left/right. He is also pointing the finger at the establishment and the political movements that gets infiltrated by lobbyists in favour of those in position (you know the bankingsystem, deep state in general, etc). He has many interesting views that is refreshing in this time of controlled media and thought police, agreeing with him or not. I'm from Norway and the mainstream media portrayed him like the "devil" himself in many years after and used sensationalistic stories sometimes by inrelevant people to sell their newspapers. When ordinary people until this day hear Varg Vikernes' name here in Norway they shiver, not only by the "gruesome murder", but by the "satanic" surroundings. It's how media and church works. There are only two people that knows exactly what happened that day. Considering the circumstanses before the killing, it seems like a tragedy was inevitable sooner or later. Good video again, and best wishes.
Ja det er sannt Jeg husker når jeg begynnte å høre på black metal og foreldrene mine sa at jeg ikke skulle høre på greven aka Varg, men nå kommer han opp på youtube feeden min
Ideal1980 He has his own land and is totally self-sufficient. Most Norwegians live off government stipends and have their own cities overrun with “refugees” that create No-Go Zones where locals and police can’t tread. So who are the real losers?
@The ShadowRealm ja jeg husker når jeg hørte om han og kirkebrenningene eg var sånn helt for det fordi jeg var så veldig anti kristendom og så veldig pro gresk paganisme Nå er det sånn at eg er ikke så enig med hva han sier og at han er rasist, men utenom det og morde på euronymus så har jeg egentlig ikke så veldig imot han fordi han har klart å lage et liv for seg selv med en familie og eg tror også en hund
idk why there’s so much sympathy for Euronymous all of the sudden. I haven’t seen the movie. Did they try to make it seem like he didn’t try to kill Varg or something?
@@skyes1904 kinda did, yeah...he was just about to go straight, had cut his hair and was almost made like about to get hitched and have a family. Absolute sap treatment.
Came for the movie review, stayed for the libertarian politics. You are on point about both, my dude! I also second what you said about the algorithm. Apparently RUclips thinks I'm a white nationalist trans activist who supports a hard Brexit.
I haven't seen it in probably a decade (was going to say a few years and then realized I'm frickin' old) but last I remember it did hold up well. Crispin Glover is insane in it and even Keanu plays his part well. I think the pseudo-stoned rock guy was always Keanu Reeve's wheelhouse.
I was rather disappointed. You're spot-on: the narrative was tweaked for normies. I thought the acting was rather poor too but I can forgive that because none of them are exactly known for their theatrical abilities. I think the writers / producers took some liberties - not just due to the lack of information or conflicting accounts but also because, like you stated, the final product had to be "Americanized" for commercial purposes. I can agree on the stabbings and Dead's suicide. They were done well but we know very little of their mindsets from the movie. "Dead was depressed." Yeah, no shit. "Faust had a problem with a gay dude making advances - that's probably why he stabbed him." Really? I'm sure there was more to it. Was it perhaps just an act to "outdo" the other edgelords of chaos? ;-) "Varg barbecued churches because 'muh Paganism'." Not buying it - arsonists are usually motivated by many factors. Some even sexual in nature. In certain respects, there was so much more room for "exploration" and development on these ends. I think the movie could've gone deeper and after all the hype, I guess I expected a broader / richer story. 5/10, might watch again before deleting it from my drive... =D
Yeah it didn't let you get to know any of the characters or anything, shocking really. Like, there's no explanation why Snorre is living with Varg, or how they met etc etc. Just a bunch of random scenes put together with fuck all explanation
Exactly. It's like a missed opportunity to really get into their minds and motivations. Many of us did stupid things at that age but we always had definable reasons. Watching the movie, I was left with the impression that "eh, shit just happened."
Varg went to prison in Norway. The reason he moved to France (as far as I know) was because his wife is French and he has a gigantic debt to the Norwegian state because of the church burnings.
We're way too weird to be part of such a big union up here. We don't even like each other most of the time, much less the rest of the continent, hahaha :-)
Also, it's understandable that life for him probably isn't that easy in Norway after what he did. Everyone knows him there, and knows what he did. Hell, pretty much everyone still knows him in Finland and Sweden too.
@Wardeni Yeah, that's true. He did live in Norway for a few years with his family before moving to France though. If I remember correctly, they lived on a farm in the countryside near Bergen somewhere. He didn't really try to hide or anything, and sometimes even gave interviews.
I watch most of his videos and I'm pretty sure there were some legal reasons too. Like homeschooling is illegal in many places, etc. Not to mention that Norway is incredibly degenerate.
22:39 : great point made ! I'm far for being pro-drugs/alcohol/pharmaceuticals (i'm more of a straight-edge guy), but i find that putting so many people in jail for drug-related "crimes" is insane, not to mention the "profit prisons" system (that is linked to it) you mentioned.
Great doc but that also was innacurate. Kids taking pics in the forest holding fake swords making anguished faces is cringe. There was a LOT of cringe in the scene and Until The Light Takes Us gives it a more of a fake Grim feel. At least the movie was more honest about them being a couple of idiots, kinda dumb etc. Both were inaccurate.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE - and really you;'re never gonna get a 100% accurate account seeing as one of the main figures is dead... the music is all that matters.
I have never heard of Norwegian Black Metal, Mayhem, this story, etc... until I watched this movie. I was lookin for movies with Rory Culkin and now I'm on your youtube channel. So yeah, maybe this isnt a true story or upsets metal fans... But I wouldnt be giving you views and other channels views if it wasnt for this "not-so-accurate" movie. but there was ENOUGH to get me interested.
The fans themselves are to blame for copycats. They want a dopamine rush rather than the challenging pleasure of a new musical discovery. I’m not sure why the mindset has changed... I’d rather play in a tribute band than play in a rip off band.
A lot of music probably most takes influence and aspects from other genres and music.. I can't think of anything that isn't totally original.. maybe I'm wrong 😀
Feeble Scream No, you are right. The difference is how high the resolution is. If you steal from a thousand sources, that’s being influenced. If you steal from one source, that’s a rip off.
Personal request: can you do a Morbid Angel tone video? They have been a huge influence on me for years. Pete Sandoval's drumming influenced me to be the drummer I am today. Trey's guitar playing and tone is one of a kind. All of there albums are great in there own way. Except that one they did when David Vincent came back and Pete left. You know which one, we do not speak it's name heh heh.
Yep. Agreed. People complaining it was cringe... when you strip it back, some of it was a cringe fest. Teens with Candelabras, medieval weapons and fake blood making anguished faces etc is a little bit Portlandia goth right? Why would they only concentrate on the cool aspects like the cold sounding stark moments of the music? In amongst the rage and intensity there was cringe.
Wow that went deep haha Speaking of the Norwegian prison system, the thing that struck me the most when I saw pictures of Varg's cell is how much it reminded me of my old college dorm room (in terms of size, furniture, little computer in the corner, etc). It's no wonder he became so "educated" (in a way, obviously he chose what he read about according to his beliefs but he definitely had time and the means to do so). It's definitely a far cry from Guantanamo
The thing that I personally was most afraid of (and probably not the only fan from that era with that sentiment) was, that it might destroy some "precious" illusions of the time, place, people and the "lore" itself. But glad to say: it didn't and the director managed to capture "the air of the time" rather well and produced something that somehow reminded me of a BM-version of "Dazed and Confused". As to the "problem child" Varg. I watch his videos occasionally. Some of his theories and thoughts are plausible, others are outlandish at best, or just plain insane.Of course he is a gifted storyteller, still charismatic but still enjoys nothing so much as the sound of his own voice. Which should remind us: prisons are not wells of knowledge and wisdom, and though many cons leave reformed, they rarely leave the joint more honest than when they entered it. A fine example would be that half a dozen (and counting) videos he uploaded on the topic of LOC, which all seem to have the same points: he really "doesn't care" about the film, hasn't seen it, and has no intention to see it, because it's crap. Trying to point out to him, that he gave up every chance of influencing the movie or story, at the very moment he refused to speak to the crew, will generally get you banned instantly (indeed, apart from the obvious SJW channels, he may well be the most easily triggered and block-happy content producer I have ever seen - usually not the character associated with somebody sure of himself). What is also interesting is the cesspool of his fanboi-base, which seems to consist of 70 percent South American and Eastern European kids, larping as super-aryans (and who naturally swallow each "Varg-widsom" like gospel wrapped in cotton candy).
@@CIRCLEOFTONE You need to talk to the black metal kids. Do they want to burn down churches after they see this movie? Because I kind of think they might.
I agree with everything you said regarding majority of his followers here. But comparing to some of the political parties that are rising up in EU now Varg is just a hippie who reads fairytales. It's really reactionary state of mind to ongoing migrations. You have people like never before coming not only from war zones as refugees but also from the contries that are not even close by. And in large numbers. Countries in Europe don't have the means to integrate these people. The other day I heard Finland is paying 5000 eur to any migrant who wants to go back to his country. But just imagine you come from Syria, you barely speak english and you end up in Hungary, or Finland. It's easy when it's somebody from Poland or even Slovakia to move to Norway or Denmark, or somebody from Croatia to Germany or Serbia to Austria, Romania to Italy or Spain, cause it's almost a natural migrating process that was going on for years and slow, established small communities and lots of prospect for micro enterprises. But now you have large numbers pouring in with people that never had a natural impact on Europe, and I'm afraid more and more countries will choose their own little "Brexits". To this day Turkish community in lots of Eu countries are unfortunatelly treated as an outsider. Let alone someone from their neighborhood. So you don't have to share Varg's views to come to very logic conclusion that is not going to end up well. Wouldn't it be logical to at least split the numbers and imigrate these refugees to USA. First and foremost it's a vast country with a great economy and secondly it's nation of migrants. Sorry I had to talk politics but I really think people cling to his ideas because they cannot wrap their heads around with what is going on in Europe today.
@@benjaminlinus2792 The migration comment in the movie was, "My these Middle Easterners make yummy sandwiches, and so cheap." Selling your birthright for a sandwich. White genocide is going on in all white countries. Endless war and chaos is happening everywhere thanks to the Zionist Empire we all live in. The whites are treated as outsiders in their own nations.
You make a really great point about the visual deception employed in the film and how it's a sort of tribute to the band photos used on old album sleeves. Just like those old band photos on the album sleeves, less is more when it comes to how much detail you want to show for creating a darker, more ominous aesthetic. It was a technique mastered by the guys in Darkthrone, whose album covers would have certainly appeared silly if not for the effects and distortion applied to them.
Yep. A lot of black metal bots are complaining the movie has cringe. As if those Polaroids never existed? There was a lot of cringe but they blank it out and focus on the romantic ideal. At the end of the day teenagers posing with fake swords, candilabras and spiked gloves is cringe. Easily forgotten when you eclypse that with the crimes and rage in the music.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE Extremely cringe-worthy, lol... but as you mentioned, black metal music's appeal owes a lot to the lore and mystery that surrounds it. It's more interesting to think of those guys as death-obsessed freaks who sacrifice to Satan and burn churches for a living, even if it's mostly bullshit. I honestly loved how the movie exposed that and brought together the dichotomy of evil-doer and innocent, naive teenager that existed with Euronymous and the others.
Something that I did not like personally at all about the movie was how they made Oystein and Per look good friends. Actually they did not get along and argued alot even fought.
I thought the movie was ten times better than I thought it would be. I was expecting it to be truly awful. But it was a quality, if not completely accurate, movie. And I didn't know how much detail they got right abut their gear. Thanks for that.
Didn't know about the gear either, but I noticed their clothes and the way they moved was spot on. Almost every scene in the movie is a reference to one of the rare pictures or videos of that time.
Funny thing is, I'm convinced that the non-glamorisation was an artistic choice, and probably a very hard to sell one. I'm sure that it would have been way easier to sell, and so to make, if they have use handsome muscular californian surfers like they do so much in tv shows. I'm sure of that. To make them not glamourous is not a selling point. It was a choice to make a point, like the things they changed from reality, it was to make an artistic point.
Yep. It may have been a representation of the inner ugly side of Vargs hate. So his look and attitude was portrayed in his appearance. But on the flip side the vargbot fanboys wanted a Thor character because they have this romantic ideal of what they IMAGINE he was from a handful of pics and video evidence. He was a regular mildly attractive skinny kid and they boost him to a God.
I always thought they should make an animated film like yellow submarine with the music from Battles in the North, in which Abbath and Demonaz actually go to Blashyrk and meet Ravendark!
Love this video and many of your opinions expressed in it! It really helped explain the dynamics I experienced in the punk scenes I've been in. I too am exhausted with the majority of the underground but I'm a bit less cynical about the music. I'd probably be more exhausted if I knew the bands people ripped off better.
I agree with you that the Lillyhammer murder looked real! Seems like the director watched the leaked Dnepropetrovsk maniacs murder tape... it gave me flashbacks
I enjoyed some of the movie but I felt they tripped up badly in a couple of areas. I don’t understand why they made a love interest for Euronymous. I don’t feel like it added anything of substance to the story. They also did a terrible job of introducing Faust in the story considering that the murder in Lillehammer is featured in the story. Someone with no understanding of the story wouldn’t have known who he was. We just saw him hanging around Helvete up to that point. They didn’t even introduce him in the story. I would’ve liked to see some of the fluff taken out and some of the investigation put in instead.
"Lords Of Chaos" was a great movie. Was it a FILM? EHHH.. It was entertaining. It might turn a LOT of people on to Mayhem and Varg's music, even though he doesn't want them. I'll probably see my 13 year old daughters classmates start to use "corpse paint". She actually has a real understanding of LaVeyan Satanism, something her classmates will never understand, which is not what Euronymous believed, but she's by and far smarter than most people her age, at 13.
Nice intro :-) I don't really know if I want to see this movie or not. I grew up in Oslo during the whole black metal thing and I just don't think a Hollywood movie can compare to that. On the other hand, it looks like a good movie if you just kinda forget that its based on a real story. Probably gonna see it at some point. Sub to Pewds \m/ And COT of course!
Yep a horror reviewer who had no idea who Mayhem was watched it and loved it. It's interesting getting a fresh take. Because it is a crazy story at the end of the day.
I also think they could have made Varg a person we shouldnt glorify, but at the same time make him more accurate. A lot of "villains" in movies have charm. It wasnt really necessary at all to make him a fat poser..
Nice commentary mate, many keen observations. What kind of back surgery did you get? You seem to be getting on well, yes? Looking at back surgery in my near future.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE Sorry to hear that. Kudos for you for not letting a chronic condition take over your personality. Your videos come off as the product of someone who is really living life to the fullest. I would be very interested to see a video about how the condition has impacted your ability to play or life in general. Thanks and best
Thanks for this video. I agree that it had to go through a lot of hoops just to get made, and compromises were inevitable. My pet peeve is, Snorre's character should have been cast, written, and played a little bit more intelligently. But doing that would be against the aim of the movie, and would confuse the normies in the audience. Overall, as a longtime fan of the genre, I liked how it turned out. Could have been way worse. This is probably the best thing Mayhem (as a band now) could have hoped for, even if it's not 100% true. And the fact that they subtitle the movie "Truth and LIES" hangs a lantern on it, so we can move on with the story from the get go.
Re Imitators Robert Smith told of the first occasion that he looked out across the audience and was shocked to see actual replicas of HIM or The Cure - staring back at them…he was horrified again a year or three after as he stood looking out at tens of thousands of fans & realised that THEY had become a ‘ stadium ‘ act - the very thing they’d rejected years before as spikey. Punks🙄🏴❤️
I was perusing reviews for this movie when I came across this one. At first I thought "30 minute review of a movie that shouldn't exist? Aahahaha, fuck this guy." 29 minutes later "GREATEST MOVIE REVIEW ON RUclips" Awesome video!
only jack kilner (dead) tried to do the accent but overall i thought the movie was poorly paced and I didn't like how they left out so many details, and made Euronymous some kind of hero of metal and maybe varg seem like a evil villain when in reality both of them were like anit heroes
Hero? They showed him tell Dead that blowing his brains out will stop his depression. He ripped off his freinds. Lied and took the glory of the accomplishments of others. Take off your blinkers. There can be such a thing as two bad people.
Easy rule for whether something is still "real" or "hardcore" or "underground" or not... if all the dirtballs and outcasts at your local high school are into it and you can get the t-shirt at the mall, it's already dying. If the popular kids and jocks at your local high school are into it, it was dead ten years ago (or never mattered in the first place).
If they don't want to stay true to the story, make a movie influenced by what happened but use different names. Could've happened in the US then, so the accents would've made more sense. The characterization is just terrible and not true to the material. I particularly dislike how Dead was portrayed (mentally insane all his life and only happy when inhaling the scent of death, lol. He went downhill after he came to Norway and became very mentally ill due to being bullied and isolated), but of course, making Euro the antihero is just... And Varg a shy kid? He was well read even back then, more so than Euro ever was, and knew how to make bombs and get a hold of illegal firearms, which isn't easy to do in Norway (my country). Today we would've branded him a terrorist. No, I hope the nordic countries will at some point make a movie about this that stays true to the people involved and their story, hopefully the Swedes because here in Norway we can't think a single independent thought anymore and copy American movies that were never that great in the first place. Also, with all the movies about school shooters, terrorists, serial killers etc. that are out there, I can't see why burning a few churches on screen is so terrible. They should have stayed true to the ideology behind it rather than just say "Christian niceness dictatorship" or whatever. It makes this a comedy for people who know a thing or two about BM... Nice video btw :)) I like what you say about the underground. I dated a guy who was copying the scene the way it was back in the 90s. He even sent CDs to people in foreign countries and could only listen to bands that had less than 1000 likes on YT. Fun stuff, haha.
Yep. Most of that is true. But cringe had to be in the movie. The docs were mostly dark, kvlt and mysterious. Teenagers posing with fake swords wearing makeup and making anguished faces and taking pics is cringe. It's like the Goths on Portlandia. The real truth is somewhere between the docs, Vargs blog and the movie. That's why I hope black metal jumps the shark. It's turned the underground into bedroom core with kvlt graphics. It's more romanticized that goth, post punk etc.
There's pictures of Varg around 92-93 where he is chubby, almost baby-faced. I thought the movie did an excellent job of bringing the book to life. Varg's mom says, in general, he tends to have a different view of how things happened. She also said she overheard Euronymous say he could pay his bills just with the money coming in from the Burzum albums. You know that had to piss off Varg. Blackthorn didn't tell Varg that he heard Euronymous say he was going to kill Varg. That was put into the movie to just wrap up the storyline easily. Blackthorn was actually in the stairwell during the whole thing, but not in the apartment. And it was Blackthorn's testimony that screwed Varg, and Varg said Blackthorn told such a great story it even gave him 8 years in prison!
@@CIRCLEOFTONE Lol. I've done that before. I don't know if the book is still in print, but I don't see why not, especially since there's a movie now. Check out the book Lords of Chaos. Everything I posted is there, plus much more. All the interviews, etc. Blackthorn says he never heard Euronymous say he was going to kill Varg before the murder, but he did hear about it afterwards. Whether it was a rumor that got started, who knows. But to hear Varg tell it Blackthorn was on the phone with Euronymous and Varg heard him say it first hand. The movie also has Blackthorn telling Varg this and Blackthorn is the one who drove him from Bergen to Oslo, where Euronymous lived. Varg tells a... funny?... story that if he would've killed Blackthorn he would've gotten away with it. Blackthorn's testimony is what convicted Varg. And Varg gives later interviews saying he was just joking about that. lol
Sorry for spamming comments but I'm commentating as I watch the video. I totally thought that too about Varg. The author of the original book was accused of being overly neutral, and perhaps having nazi leanings. So I think the director was protecting Himself.
I'm hoping that this movie makes it jump the shark. Punk seems to at least have morphed into something that has legs. Check out this vid I did ruclips.net/video/CRI2djgBurA/видео.html
Fully disagree. Black Metal was never supposed to be a musical genre. Being "Black Metal" was supposed to mean, being 100% original in whatever style of music you made. Clones of previous bands were pointless. Varg was slandered terribly in this movie. Varg was never a fat, shy racist, and was certainly not influenced by Euronymous. Varg was a fairly quiet, polite and well mannered young man who was interested in Role Playing Games. His influences were Techno/Rave music, classical music, and a VERY limited selection of heavy metal/rock music. He was totally against the "sex drugs and rock n roll" lifestyle. He was anti everything, in terms of music. He largely wanted to be anonymous. He had a 1 man musical project (not even a band). He created his own stage name. His music was ENTIRELY created by himself in every detail. He placed his trust in a like minded man (Euronymous) early on in his musical career to his error. His albums had errors in the song titles and lyrics due to Euronymous, and the money was literally stolen and used to fund Mayhem. While there is NO shred of proof Varg ever burned any churches (Please read the official court documents) he did use the imagery for his album art work and openly admitted he either supported the actions of the arsonists or simply did not care. He was young, and exceptionally proud. He could have said and done a lot of things to have his prison term greatly reduced but he never compromised in his opinions. As for the murder, if you believe Varg, he did it as an act of self preservation (Euronymous had openly discussed plans to kidnap, torture and murder Varg with his close friends and they TESTIFIED in court that they had informed Varg of these plans). If you do not believe Varg, then he literally drove to Euronymous to intentionally murder him. Personally I believe the former, as Varg had already surpassed the so called "Inventor" of Black Metal musically. He had made plans to leave Deathlike Silence Productions and created his own label, Cymophane Records and had made a deal with another label to distribute Burzum (Which they did until his arrest for murder). He had no logical reason to murder the man. Finally as a very politically minded man, Varg has been accused of everything from satanism to nazism. Ironically these are both unfair judgements. And while some of Varg's views are unpopular, it his human rights to have them and fully express them (Freedom should be ABSOLUTE), it is upto us the viewer/listener/reader to agree or disagree. If you disagree, express your opionions as he does, or ignore him and anything associated with him.
You didn't watch my vid because I explained a lot of what did just claimed. Varg was fat at one point during that time. You think Varg drove all day, stabbed Euronymous almost 30 times in "self defense". Don't take everything Varg says as gospel. He also said that Euronymous lacked balls and was a liar. So why would he be afraid of a guy who was all talk? The documentaries are bs. The movie is bs.
CIRCLE OF TONE He was afraid because Euronymous supposedly told a very select few of people he thought he could trust about his plans to murder Varg. Necrobutcher has verified that Euronymous had threatened to kill varg and even the investigators of Euronymous murder found evidence that Euronymous made plans to murder Varg. You are just repeating lies told by the mainstream poseur metal press created for fake metal fans like you without actually looking at the evidence found in the investigation or what the actual people involved in the Black Metal scene say. Also Varg was never fat at any point while he was involved with the metal music scene of Norway. You are taking the accounts of Lords of Chaos at face value now. What motivation would Varg have to murder Euronymous? Also according to Varg he only stabbed Euronymous 5 times and the rest was from glass he had fallen on and even if he did stab Euro that many times it doesn't mean anything as he was fighting for his life and had the adrenaline rush in his veins so he made sure that Euronymous would not get another chance to kill him.
In one of his videos, Varg had explained that Euronymous was planning to kill him on a couple occasions and that he was defending himself from Euronymous on the night of renown. Also that Euronymous was ripping Varg off over album sales and other such things such as selling blank Burzum tapes and not fulfilling album orders. Varg's account here: ruclips.net/video/e7itU7kruO0/видео.html
@@CIRCLEOFTONE Yeah, not saying I believe it, but anything is possible. The guy (Euronymous) wasn't well liked by many for many reasons, and from what I understand, was capable of committing the same or worse to Varg or someone else. It's just that Varg got to him first. A power struggle among alphas. I'm just wondering if the movie even comes close to explaining any of this.
WTF Tone? Recording with SM57s is my will and you question it? Does copying DSO make you progressive? Let's find out. Okay enough memeing let's watch the video.
huge black metal fan. i have high expectations of the movie but since i heard a lot of bad shit im scared to watch it. heard about a lot of inconsistencies ect and even varg said that 'the jew played him bad' and that's in nice words xD its was worse
I watched it this week , I actually remember the story being in Kerrang at the time . The film is pretty good but I definitely agree it's weird with the accents . It's worth a watch if you remember this era or are just interested in heavier music .
CIRCLE OF TONE I am talking about the people that made this film and you. The people who made this film knew that the Lords of Chaos book was factually incorrect (Jonas said this himself) yet they decided anyway to base this film off of that book of lies which shows how little they care about the lore and the facts about what happened in Mayhem and were solely concerned with making money off of this disgrace. You are giving these people WAY TOO MUCH credit and are excusing them for their slander. Furthermore you criticize black metal for its supposed copycat bands when Black Metal right now is actually becoming more boundary pushing and their are plenty of bands innovating the genre. More bands in Black Metal are starting to be more controversial in this politically correct era by making lyrics about Aryan Supremacy and Nationalist pride thus making the genre the last bastion that truly supports free speech, non conformity, authenticity, having no boundaries and no ties to morality. Yes there are Darkthrone clones but there will always be bands that will push the boundaries.
@@iamdeath4193 You may have bought too much into the image. Cringe had to be in the movie. The docs were mostly dark, kvlt and mysterious. But... Think about it. Teenagers posing with fake swords in the forest, wearing makeup and making anguished faces while taking pics is cringe. It's like the Goths on Portlandia. The real truth is somewhere between the docs, Vargs blog and the movie. That's why I hope black metal jumps the shark. It's turned the underground into bedroom core with kvlt graphics. It's more romanticized that goth, post punk etc. What boundaries are being pushed? You are not allowed to shred, have regular production, have an image etc etc without being SHREDDED by Tru neckbeards. How many kold vintner lakez can you sing about without going insane?
CIRCLE OF TONE I am not concerned that much about the cringe as I am more bothered with the gigantic myths in the film such as Euronymous having a girlfriend, him shaving his head before he was killed and the misportrayel of Euronymous as some good guy that was just misguided. The truth is (and this is based on the accounts of many in the scene) is that Euronymous was a shitty person that had his ego get the best of him, threatened to kill people, took pictures of his dead friend, and would try and police the whole black metal scene with his narrow minded mentality of what black Metal was supposed to be to try and out do others and held the scene back as a consequence. Euronymous planned to torture and kill Varg and that was the reason why he died and nobody in the scene was remotely surprised or mourned his death as they knew who he was. This film is a glorified generic drama film that does its best to be inaccurate. As far as the state of Black Metal is concerned and the boundaries that are being pushed there are bands that have regular production and guitar solos. It's not a matter of not being allowed to have regular production, guitar solos, or a distinct image outside of the traditional corpse paint and bullet belt image that has defined black metal. Its more about not fixing what isn't broken and creating black metal that does its job at creating a dark and grim atmosphere rather than trying to be different for the sake of being different. One of The reasons why the progenitors of the genre used lo fi production was because it complemented the music they were creating and added to the grim atmosphere. Regular production only works if it's done in the correct way which very few bands get right with the exception of a couple such as Dissection. Guitar solo's are still used however they are not so dominated within the music as solo's are more meant for displaying technical ability and used for metal that is more rhythm and riff oriented with technicality such as Death Metal however Black Metal is more centered around creating a grim and dark feeling than displaying technical ability and talent. Nonetheless you can still push the boundaries of Black Metal while retaining lo fi production and lack of guitar solo's. Drowning The Light has released some very interesting work and Peste Noir incorporated orchestral music and various different genres in their album L'Ordure à l'état pur. Then you have bands that play black metal in its pure style while having a sound of their own such as Inquisition and Satanic Warmaster. Also as I have said before it is also pushing the boundaries lyrically with themes like nationalism and supremacy in mind and in this politically correct era we live in making it a genre where you can do whatever the fuck you want and about rebellion.
I am old enough to have read about the black metal scenes in Kerrang! and the like. I have to admit in the decades that have followed, there appears to be almost 20 versions to almost every single event or story that have come about. Ultimately this was a bunch of kids that tried to sell themselves on grim and nekro and went too far in a competitive state. I think the biggest problem I have with LOC is that most people like me would have appreciated a full, detailed and as truthful as you could possibly make account of what happened. I thought that was the point in the movie. While I won't defend anyone, Varg is portrayed as a complete frustrated wimp which doesn't quite make sense. The first arrest, if he was that stupid and easily led, wouldn't the police have gathered some incriminating evidence on him? Even subtleties like the chocolate milk; it's widely spoken that while hanging out in Helvete they drank chocolate milk. How or why it appeared in the final scenes of Euronymous' demise seems like taking one factoid and presenting it to over-dramatise the murder scene. Ultimately it's not the totally true accounting of things evidently and there seems to be more besides. The big thing about Varg killing Euronymous for me is that he apparently knew that Euronymous planned to kill him. If someone was openly threatening you in this way, would you turn up at his flat at night on your own? Especially driving all the way from Bergen to Oslo? Nah doesn't add up! As for Euronymous having a girlfriend or being homosexual, I don't really care what the answer is myself. It doesn't wholly appear relevant to the events myself and if it is relevant, I don't think LOC is giving a truthful account anyway, more adding the love interest angle for the box office.
That said, the Dead suicide scene... damn, that was a hard watch. That's the one part I thought the movie did very well. Of course nobody can know how exactly it played out for sure, but that was striking. Excellent piece of acting.
Whether Per/Pelle/Dead actually committed suicide is still up for debate. Euronymous and Dead could not stand each other for weeks prior to the day Dead died. There is evidence that euronymous pressured Dead into killing himself and psyched him up real bad before leaving him alone hoping to return and find him dead. Euronymous was jealous of Dead and in fact took over vocal duties after the incident. He also really wanted the publicity. Which he pathetically exploited to no end. So it goes, Euronymous returned several hours later and found Dead still alive. He had cut himself and possibly wrote a suicide note, or partly, but changed his mind. As many cutters will tell you, something often holds one back from cutting too deep. It's often not to kill oneself but to release pain and feel something else other then the darkness. This is often the case of what Dead had done. In fact his deepest wounds were actually inflicted by Euronymous at previous times. So then many say Euronymous psyched Dead into finishing the job with the shotgun and many others say that Euronymous finished Dead off himself. Euronymous was there back and forth rearranging things, taking photos and gathering pieces of the skull. I think it was a couple days before the death was actually reported bye someone else that Euronymous had told. Euronymous slipped up and said things even and later would recant statments. Saying he was joking, or as if they were "what ifs". There was no investigation and as later fact and evidence came to light it was all dismissed because the scene had been to disturbed and too much time had passed in order to truly prove anyting. The police didn't really care. Especially with all the controversy behind the band. And the fact was that the poor depressed kid Pelle from Sweden was dead and nothing could change it. No one could properly mourn and focus on the truth as Euronymous flooded the media with disturbing photos that constantly changed and crazy stories about eating brains etc. Many try to just chalk Euronymous up as a publicity-hungry narcissist. But I think he's truly was a sociopath. He was constantly plotting she hurt people and even kill them. As was in Euronymouss last days that he said he was going to kidnap Kris (Count Grishnackh/Varg). Euronymous said he wanted to shoot a video of the torture and murder Varg. Varg was very paranoid for weeks. Euronymous lured Varg to his shop where he also lived. Euronymous told Varg it was to settle up on a contract or something which Varg was suspicious about. In the long drive there Varg worried. So when he went in and Euronymous attacked him with a knife (which is said to be the same one Dead used to cut himself his last day) Varg fought with Euronymous and Euronymous got stabbed a few times in self-defense and then they fell through the front window. All of the so-called wounds to Euronymous has back was from the window. Over 30 (if going by the common 37 claimed since that # often changes) of the so-called knife wounds we're in fact from glass and do not match up with the knife. The knife wounds in fact prove there was a struggle because of the trajectory in the neck and head. Varg also had wounds to prove it was self-defense but again the police focused more on the reputation of the band and especially the outrage from the church burnings that they were taking a lot of credit for. Police jumped on the opportunity to lock someone up and appease the public some. Most of band members enjoy the sensationalism and play into negativity as much as they can to play into the cover of their reputation. Many fans tend to enjoy the stories and ignore the truths. But even so the truths are sicker and sadder than what is commonly told...
Yep the movie did show Euronymous telling Dead to kill himself if he wanted the pain of his depression to end. He also held guns up to his head etc in the movie. But Varg has also said that Euronymous was all talk and no action so he contradicted himself over the years. I don't believe either rumor to be honest. Dead's nickname was dead for a reason. He was obsessed with it. And Varg drove miles with a knife and the number of stabs is not self defence, that's a frenzy. Varg also wanted to die in battle and this was his chance. I mean dead cut himself on stage etc, that's not normal. But thanks for the info. It's best to get all angles.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE I explained the cutting. You say it's not normal but yet it's very common. Among musicians and wrestlers. Depressed people do it all the time. Even Pelles last day his so called own inflicted knife wounds we're not deep enough to kill him. The only ones he ever had to go to the hospital for are the ones that Euryonomous inflicted on him. It took a shotgun blast (to the top of his head,[not xommon position of in the mouth] whike laying down partialy, at an odd angle to kill him) go figure? He died a couple times a child and questioned life. I myself have died three times and understand that well. One more thing we had in common. But he was really enjoying life for once and looking forward to touring coming to the states. Many factors that do not add up. & I never really went off of Vargs stories nor the band members. They made up so much crap and change their stories way too much and wanted publicity. So balanced from others i know/knew, with no other motives. Facts are Euryonomous was planning to torture and kill Varg for a while. Varg was not sure what to believe. He carried something like a wooden bat with him almost everywhere he went for weeks. Keep in mind Varg was only 20, 5 years younger than Euryonomous and aware of much that Euryonomous had done so was just in his paranoia. Yet still quite naive. So, That day, he took some more stuff with him to be on the safe side that he did not take in with him. He did not want to provoke anything in case it all was bs. Varg figured if things went down he could run to the car. But Euryonomous attacked him with a knife and during the struggle Varg turned it onto Euronymous and stabbed him a few times mostly while Euryonomous hands were still on the blade. Then they fell into the window, Euryonomous back first (thus the other MIS counted wounds) Varg had cuts on him as well from the blade and glass. That all was argued in court too. Someone from the court stated that Varg was kept in questioning with nothing to eat or drink for days as they kept pushing their version of the story and would not allow him to get any rest. All so they could make an arrest and get a maximum jail sentence and finally punished one of the so-called church burners. So twisted! Yet another reason Vargs stories are off and cannot be fully trusted. But facts are that all the real evidence favored Varg & justice is not fair!
They hated the Morrisound sound (and the way they dressed of course) but I think they also did not like that the Swedish bands were all recording at Sunlight Studios to get that exact Sunlight sound. I loved that sound myself but that is how I remember it back then.
I've been hesitating to see this movie because of all the bad press it's gotten from "troo-kvltists" but after this insightful synopsis, I think I'll give it a chance (if for no other reason than the fact that I know it would piss off Varg...)
I kind of agree they did fine with what they had to work with. The story simply doesn't fit in the Hollywood formula, so it was changed to something different. But that Varg... holy shit. It just didn't make any sense for anyone to hang out with him the was he was portrayed. I would be okay with it if they went with something less realistic like Gregg Araki's The Doom Generation, but if you go with 'real' at least go all the way.
Rory Culkin killed it as Euronymous. The girlfriend thing seemed a little out of place. She was unnecessary as I think we already got to see Euronymous when he was "off" when he was around his family house.
I haven't gone into this anywhere near as deeply as yourself, but from what I have seen I can't argue with a thing you said. Your dissection of the political situation is pretty spot on too.
That was a great spiel Owen. I felt like I was sitting in an echo chamber - in a good way! :) Let's face it, watching Lords of Chaos was like watching a ballet. It told the story, but wasn't supposed to be fact-solid. Artistic licence was taken to tell the story well, and as you say, to be sure it reached a decent size market or for that matter the market at all. If people want fact-accurate stuff they can watch documentaries on Norwegian Black Metal, there's plenty of those. I am wondering about the whole thing with Varg screaming into the headphones though? Was that actually done or was it simply being confused with the shitty computer headset mic that he used on Filosofem, where I presume he was using the actual mic?
Off-topic I love it when you go off topic. The scene wether underground or not (rap ) has a hold on a kids reality , which is both the magic but also is hunting ground for those wolves you are spot on.
every one seems to scoff that vargs created his own pnp RPG game. but you get whole games developers company's doing that, and hes created a decent one single handed check out some reviews of it.
Something I've wondered..what if Euronymous pulled the trigger? I mean, they didn't get along after awhile, he arranged the knife n gun, could've set it all up. He was kind of a liar. Who knows..
@@CIRCLEOFTONE True, but it's crazy how he slit both wrists, then throat, THEN shot himself, then Euronymous "arranges" the weapons for photos making a reason for his finger prints being on the weapons. Eitherway, very interesting.
Regarding the American accents for all of the lead characters -- my take is that this may also have been an artistic choice to heighten the absurdity and strangeness of it all.
Yep watching reviews from people who had no idea about Mayhem was enjoyable because they had the WTF reaction to the crazy story. Normies who don't know the lore were shocked by the brutality and story.
Varg is still a hero and idol to many. As is euronymous. But the real black metal spirit remains in norway. The rest of the world just adapted the things that the „inner circle“ did. Aarseth and Vikernes were the founding fathers. Mayhem, Emperor, Burzum, Satyricon, Immortal and so forth. They are les enfants terribles so to speak. But the past remains the past. Today, as of 2019, you couldn’t burn down a church just like that. It would be all over social media. And whoring yourself out to mass media isnt the thing to do when you’re a black metal musician.
One thing I have to disagree with is the praise of Norway's reform system. When Varg was first arrested and released he said so himself that prison wasn't so bad, and just looking at there system it seems pretty luxurious in comparison to American prisons. If anything this may have influenced his decision to commit murder. Saying that he has a job and family does not make him reformed, he had those things already when he committed his crimes. The guy is 50 years old and still thinks that stabbing someone in the back while they are running away pleading for there life is "self defense", which to me seems like he carries the same mindset to commit a murder again over similar circumstances.
Relativley reformed. Remember he was stabbing people to death 30 times and fantasizing about dying in battle, while dressing like a Neo Nazi while in prison. You can't expect that to turn into Ned Flanders. He's stayed out of prison was my point. One thing is for sure, Varg has padded the truth trying to paint his actions as more of a heroic endeavor and his fans lap it up.
This is Varg -- huh -- Vow'g! I lie wounded, on wintery ground With hundreds of corpses, all around Many wounded, crawl helpless around On the blood, red snowy ground Varg! Varg! Vaaarg! Vaaarrrrggg! Cries of death (ha ha) suffering sound Cries for help, to all their dead moms Varg! Varg! Vaaarg! Vaaarrrrggg! Many hours, of music Many drops, of blood Many shiverings, and I am... DEAD! And still, we must never give up Varg! Varg! Vaaarg! Vaaarrrrggg!
You, who like the moon at night Haunted my mortal heart... You who made these ancient walls Shine like divine marble The unwanted breath - through creedence A derelict shell in the desert - Mesmerized - As love inflamed the night Burning tongues brought the rain The sand remained - purified Murmur at the meager's spear Battered Cartagian pride The beloved cry - wasted dismay Invasion of baseness and shade You, loved by your father Innocent as a vestal - dove Buried in a deep blue sea As we all lose - ever
They were teenagers at the time but the scene was cringe. Teenagers posing in the forest wearing makeup holding fake swords was cringe of the highest order but various documentaries painted the era as Grimm Kold and Kvlt. So the movie and the documentaries were BS.
they could have consulted varg, but then they would have to decide wich multiple versions of his story were true since hes changed it so many times so....
I really liked the movie lol, I’ve never really gotten into the real real story I just knew the basics but I still think you have great options on this! I think the movie was definitely glamorized and sympathetic to cater to more audiences so I don’t count it as true documentation but more like a story based on real life. Direction and acting was amazing to me too and there was nice cinematography in there!!! (I just really like cinematography). There was a lot of shock value that went to me because I’m kinda a baby ‘metalhead’ (I don’t think I can label that for myself just yet) and I didn’t know the story. I’m still kinda a kid so I’m not as educated in the whole deal, but I am trying to discover and understand so this was really nice! Great review! Great learning experience for me too. Sorry for the whole essay lol😋 (if this is only abt the movie I can’t imagine how long my comment would be about everything else😰)
I really liked Lords Of Chaos. I never even heard of Mayhem or Burzum til I watched this movie. It was a story that has stuck with me and I read about everything that actually happened during the time Euronymous was alive. I’ve listened to their music and I like it, it’s not bad. But all I hear are complaints about the two actors who play Varg and Euronymous and about them being Jewish, sorry but Rory is a Roman-Catholic just saying. Anyways they did a mamazing job play these two guys, so what if they’re Jewish or whatever, they absolutely killed it. They’re actors, ok, they are a handed a script that’s a little tweaked, they got police records, looked at band photos and had private guitar lessons but they still killed it. They are two good actors and I’m sorry if anybody else doesn’t agree but it’s my opinion. The movie was good and had its moments but to me it’s a really good movie, especially since I never heard of the bands before. Yeah it was about lies, truth and what really happened but it’s still a good movie and like I said it has stuck with me since I saw it and probably will for a long time.
Honestly, anything made by Hollywood will always be tacky and oversimplified, no matter the subject. I hate to sound like a cliché, but it's true. So many missed opportunities for a more in-depth character study here. But overall it's exactly what I expected it to be. I guess for anyone completely unfamiliar with anyone involved, the music or the time in history it'll come across as a decent film. Everyone else? Not so much, but it's just an opinion.
Yep. I think directors should bring out an extended cut where they put in lesser known aspect that were cut out to make it less shock value. I think it will sell. I mention that on my review of Motley Crue.
Isn't it odd how movie executives and most regular folks have no problem at all with close-ups of people being stabbed shot or beaten to death, but the image of an inanimate object (like an empty building) being burned makes them wet their pants? Oh yeah, because an empty old building is somehow "sacred," LMAO.
Should you watch Lords of Chaos? Let's find out.
Lol. I read that in Vargs voice.
Yes! Becomes a great movie towards the end because you really want to see both Varg and Culkin bring each other to disaster.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE I always have a problem when it comes to these kinda movies. For example the movie The Haunting of Sharon Tate. Why the fuck you wanna televise such a thing? First of all Polanski is still alive. I don't know if he agrees or doesn't but it's a terrible, horrific tragedy surrounding one person and her unborn baby being murdered in such disgusting way. There are police photos of Sharon's body from the autopsy and from the crime scene circling around the internet for years now. And also couple of different shamefull movie projects on the same subject. I mean isn't that too much already? Aside to that, if Varg and others told them not to do it, then how the fuck do you get the legal right to televise someone's piece of life especially now that he served his time for it. But worse of all these actors, how can you interpret somebody based mostly on what you read in script or on the internet, again if the living and breathing person don't approve. I hope they get sued and I hope Varg and others get a great financial satisfaction for it. I don't agree with half of the things he says on his channel, but on this I support him all the way.
@@benjaminlinus2792 I care about Mrs. Tate's family...but I don't care about a guy that raped a young girl and fled the country think about the tragedy of those people being killed in his house with his wife. There were more SOULS being killed at that house not just Sharon Tate.
@@bergman6581 Agree, but this stupidity of a film is mainly focused on her. Thank you for pointing out, another reason why it shouldn't been filmed.
I REALLY hate to admit it, but the reason the portrayal of metalheads is usually so cringey, is because... we kinda are cringey. lol Especially in our rebellious youth.
Yep. Cringe HAD to be in the movie. Teenagers posing with fake swords in the forest making anguished faces etc is cringe. A lot of black metal fans believe the Grimm fairy tale they are being sold.
*scrambles over some random friends havin a chat* HAIL SATANNNN BLERGHHHH \,.,/ (wew I still know how to do the metal emoji in an automatic way)
Hehe
@@CIRCLEOFTONE tis funny bc these kind of dudes in their 19-22's were sayin I, by 12, listenning to evanescence, was tr00 bc of shit I had in mind (I was well depressed af and if I was older with the same depression I could've got close to what Dead was - but I still was listenning just evanescence)
@@BahiaDoSul glad you got through your teens.
Except Euronymous never had a girlfriend
He was gay for Tru metal.
he did theres info he attacked a guy with glass bottle at bus stop cuz he looked at his gf
@@RandyOrlok Plus gay guys get married to women and lead double lives all the time. Black metal was a sausage fest so... When in Rome ;-)
SAVSAGE FES-l- ...got'ta keep it kvl-l- and -l-rve. =D
only varg is gay@@CIRCLEOFTONE
Black Metal was never meant to be made into a Hollywood film. End of discussion.
Why? Black metal is mainstream. What other modern metal genre has more bands playing that style? It's so popular that a movie makes sense especially after the fake docs painting the scene as kvlt, kold and Grimm (when in reality it was kids wearing clown makeup wearing fake swords and posing in the forest).
The documentaries are as fake as the movie. At least the movie portrayed some of the cringe.
Also nothing the movie said was anything new or groundbreaking. The story of Norway has been told so many times and way better by others.
@@deathlikesilence471 Prog and Djent get played on the radio? No. Rock and metal is dead relative to back in the day. Look at people like Anthony Fantano...He reviews more blackened metal, blackened rap etc than other types of metal. At least he did, because I think its finally jumping the shark. It's in vogue compared to other types of metal. I think that's the saddest thing about the scene. It was rage and intensity. Now it's larping/hipster and it's ruined the underground. You can't fucking move for blackened this and frozenn lakke stygian blah blah.
The so called underground is now bigger than mainstream metal. It's a mess and it's all down to copycats and the lifetime network style black metal documentaries which painted a romantic ideal.
ruclips.net/video/YCoqAjrGOo8/видео.html
CIRCLE OF TONE You are blowing everything out of proportion. Yes there are ripoff bands just like there always has but there are also bands that are taking metal in new directions and have crafted their own unique styles. The only people that say rock and metal is dead compared to back then are people that have been taking too much nostalgia Viagra and don't give new bands a chance because they like to tell themselves comfortable lies that "it wuz better back in muh day". It's people like you that are responsible for a culture that is obsessed with the past and paved the way for bands that do nothing but recreate the sounds of legendary old metal bands due to your nostalgia clouding your judgement.
@@deathlikesilence471? Did you watch my video? How can you claim I want nostalgia? It's the opposite. And I'm not overstating anything. Look at my recent videos. This one is by far the most popular because black metal has saturated the so called underground. ruclips.net/video/YCoqAjrGOo8/видео.html
Varg is more about being a pro pagan, pro European, than a nationalist. He moved to France because he married a French woman, France is in Europe. He criticizes Norway regularly, hardly what a nationalist does. Calling him a racist is kind of silly, if he’s a racist so be it, then every human on earth is a racist. Love him or hate him, he’s brave, speaks his mind and creates some incredible art. I’m a big fan.
Yep at the end I said he was deeply pagan and was relatively reformed. He did it for financial reasons too.
I dare to say, that a true Nationalist will not hold back criticism of his homeland.
He is a self proclaimed Odinist, which includes the belief that white people are superior. Sounds racist to me
@@PaulDaHeadBanger being a Odinist means having a Shamanic worldview based on northern European ancestry and mythology. According to your logic there isn't a single belief system that's not racist.
@@cyberserk5614 Odinist/Asatru here. The religion is not racist. How dense is that guys head? Then again, the media paints paganism in a bad light everytime because of the church controlling them.
Hardcore straightedge scene- it's fun until you find yourself plotting to blow up a McDonalds...
Haha.
The warning about the nature of scenes is true, this kind of stuff happens a lot but thankfully usually does not escalate as much as it did for the BM boys. Plenty of murky types in UK underground ;)
that remark about the image shifting from 4k to ghoulish grainy just like in old zines and covers, is, well…, remarkably accurate and valid.
Cheers!
Varg has stated many times on his channel that he is against the modern political narrative of the left/right. He is also pointing the finger at the establishment and the political movements that gets infiltrated by lobbyists in favour of those in position (you know the bankingsystem, deep state in general, etc). He has many interesting views that is refreshing in this time of controlled media and thought police, agreeing with him or not.
I'm from Norway and the mainstream media portrayed him like the "devil" himself in many years after and used sensationalistic stories sometimes by inrelevant people to sell their newspapers. When ordinary people until this day hear Varg Vikernes' name here in Norway they shiver, not only by the "gruesome murder", but by the "satanic" surroundings. It's how media and church works.
There are only two people that knows exactly what happened that day. Considering the circumstanses before the killing, it seems like a tragedy was inevitable sooner or later.
Good video again, and best wishes.
Yep. It's easier to claim everything he does is evil than actually being analytical and detailed.
Ja det er sannt
Jeg husker når jeg begynnte å høre på black metal og foreldrene mine sa at jeg ikke skulle høre på greven aka Varg, men nå kommer han opp på youtube feeden min
Ideal1980 He has his own land and is totally self-sufficient. Most Norwegians live off government stipends and have their own cities overrun with “refugees” that create No-Go Zones where locals and police can’t tread. So who are the real losers?
@The ShadowRealm ja jeg husker når jeg hørte om han og kirkebrenningene eg var sånn helt for det fordi jeg var så veldig anti kristendom og så veldig pro gresk paganisme
Nå er det sånn at eg er ikke så enig med hva han sier og at han er rasist, men utenom det og morde på euronymus så har jeg egentlig ikke så veldig imot han fordi han har klart å lage et liv for seg selv med en familie og eg tror også en hund
@The ShadowRealm jeg tror det bare kommer fra count grishnak og at han simplifiserte det for folk til å forstå
they were just kids and the movie shows that... stripping away the layers of the lore, yeah great argument
Yep. They also show the cringe, unlike the Kvlt, Grimm documentaries. Both the movie and docs were innacurate.
Definitely a hatchet job on Varg
idk why there’s so much sympathy for Euronymous all of the sudden. I haven’t seen the movie. Did they try to make it seem like he didn’t try to kill Varg or something?
Pretty sure Varg’s whole life is a hatchet job of itself. Sorry, but all nazis are worthless.
@@skyes1904 I dunno, his whole character as portrayed in the movie didn't quite add up. They had a pudgy obese non-metal guy to play him for starters.
@@skyes1904 kinda did, yeah...he was just about to go straight, had cut his hair and was almost made like about to get hitched and have a family. Absolute sap treatment.
@@skyes1904 yeah they definitely paint Euronymous as a victim.
Came for the movie review, stayed for the libertarian politics. You are on point about both, my dude!
I also second what you said about the algorithm. Apparently RUclips thinks I'm a white nationalist trans activist who supports a hard Brexit.
It's so frustrating.
One of the best portrayal of metalheads in a movie is easily 'The River's Edge'. They get it right.
It's been a while...great shout. I wonder if it's aged well?
I have never hears of that movie. What it is about?
I haven't seen it in probably a decade (was going to say a few years and then realized I'm frickin' old) but last I remember it did hold up well. Crispin Glover is insane in it and even Keanu plays his part well. I think the pseudo-stoned rock guy was always Keanu Reeve's wheelhouse.
FEK! FEEEEEEEK!
I love that movie
I was rather disappointed. You're spot-on: the narrative was tweaked for normies. I thought the acting was rather poor too but I can forgive that because none of them are exactly known for their theatrical abilities. I think the writers / producers took some liberties - not just due to the lack of information or conflicting accounts but also because, like you stated, the final product had to be "Americanized" for commercial purposes. I can agree on the stabbings and Dead's suicide. They were done well but we know very little of their mindsets from the movie. "Dead was depressed." Yeah, no shit. "Faust had a problem with a gay dude making advances - that's probably why he stabbed him." Really? I'm sure there was more to it. Was it perhaps just an act to "outdo" the other edgelords of chaos? ;-) "Varg barbecued churches because 'muh Paganism'." Not buying it - arsonists are usually motivated by many factors. Some even sexual in nature. In certain respects, there was so much more room for "exploration" and development on these ends. I think the movie could've gone deeper and after all the hype, I guess I expected a broader / richer story.
5/10, might watch again before deleting it from my drive... =D
Good breakdown.
Yeah it didn't let you get to know any of the characters or anything, shocking really. Like, there's no explanation why Snorre is living with Varg, or how they met etc etc. Just a bunch of random scenes put together with fuck all explanation
Exactly. It's like a missed opportunity to really get into their minds and motivations. Many of us did stupid things at that age but we always had definable reasons. Watching the movie, I was left with the impression that "eh, shit just happened."
I thought the Culkin kid a decent job but the rest were pretty dreadful. The guy playing Varg was the worst of all.
Agreed - that was the worst "Varg" they could've found. I could have done a better job drunk. =D
Varg went to prison in Norway. The reason he moved to France (as far as I know) was because his wife is French and he has a gigantic debt to the Norwegian state because of the church burnings.
another interesting fact i found out awhile back is Norway is not part of the EU, no joke
We're way too weird to be part of such a big union up here. We don't even like each other most of the time, much less the rest of the continent, hahaha :-)
Also, it's understandable that life for him probably isn't that easy in Norway after what he did. Everyone knows him there, and knows what he did. Hell, pretty much everyone still knows him in Finland and Sweden too.
@Wardeni Yeah, that's true. He did live in Norway for a few years with his family before moving to France though. If I remember correctly, they lived on a farm in the countryside near Bergen somewhere. He didn't really try to hide or anything, and sometimes even gave interviews.
I watch most of his videos and I'm pretty sure there were some legal reasons too. Like homeschooling is illegal in many places, etc. Not to mention that Norway is incredibly degenerate.
The Black Satans should've had a cameo.
THE SATAN OF HELL!!!! Someone gives this man an award of sorts.
22:39 : great point made !
I'm far for being pro-drugs/alcohol/pharmaceuticals (i'm more of a straight-edge guy), but i find that putting so many people in jail for drug-related "crimes" is insane, not to mention the "profit prisons" system (that is linked to it) you mentioned.
Until the Light Takes Us (2008) this is all you need to watch, not a Hollywood film
Great doc but that also was innacurate. Kids taking pics in the forest holding fake swords making anguished faces is cringe. There was a LOT of cringe in the scene and Until The Light Takes Us gives it a more of a fake Grim feel. At least the movie was more honest about them being a couple of idiots, kinda dumb etc. Both were inaccurate.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE - and really you;'re never gonna get a 100% accurate account seeing as one of the main figures is dead... the music is all that matters.
@@trianglesfalling yep.
once upon a time in norway is better
I have never heard of Norwegian Black Metal, Mayhem, this story, etc... until I watched this movie. I was lookin for movies with Rory Culkin and now I'm on your youtube channel.
So yeah, maybe this isnt a true story or upsets metal fans... But I wouldnt be giving you views and other channels views if it wasnt for this "not-so-accurate" movie. but there was ENOUGH to get me interested.
Good point about the gang/group mentality. I remember growing up in the 80s as a metalhead w the whole skinhead scene.
The fans themselves are to blame for copycats. They want a dopamine rush rather than the challenging pleasure of a new musical discovery. I’m not sure why the mindset has changed...
I’d rather play in a tribute band than play in a rip off band.
A lot of music probably most takes influence and aspects from other genres and music.. I can't think of anything that isn't totally original.. maybe I'm wrong 😀
Feeble Scream No, you are right. The difference is how high the resolution is. If you steal from a thousand sources, that’s being influenced. If you steal from one source, that’s a rip off.
Greta van Fleet is a good example on this subject.
@@Barney_rubble983 No you're right.
Personal request: can you do a Morbid Angel tone video? They have been a huge influence on me for years. Pete Sandoval's drumming influenced me to be the drummer I am today. Trey's guitar playing and tone is one of a kind. All of there albums are great in there own way. Except that one they did when David Vincent came back and Pete left. You know which one, we do not speak it's name heh heh.
Here you go ruclips.net/video/UeTTZp3lGco/видео.html
I though the movie portrayed these kids story in a decent way. its a story of being young, stupid and juvenile.
Yep. Agreed. People complaining it was cringe... when you strip it back, some of it was a cringe fest. Teens with Candelabras, medieval weapons and fake blood making anguished faces etc is a little bit Portlandia goth right? Why would they only concentrate on the cool aspects like the cold sounding stark moments of the music? In amongst the rage and intensity there was cringe.
Just check out "Satan Rides the Media". Every Black Metal documentary dealing with Norway seems to just be a rehash of a lot of what that covered.
Wow that went deep haha
Speaking of the Norwegian prison system, the thing that struck me the most when I saw pictures of Varg's cell is how much it reminded me of my old college dorm room (in terms of size, furniture, little computer in the corner, etc). It's no wonder he became so "educated" (in a way, obviously he chose what he read about according to his beliefs but he definitely had time and the means to do so). It's definitely a far cry from Guantanamo
Funny thing is that Varg means Wolf in Swedish.
Lol. I didn't know that. Cheers.
He is part Swedish.
And Ulver means "wolves" in norwegian.
Mattias Söderlund The funniest thing is his real name....Kristian not being very much a Christian
So?
The thing that I personally was most afraid of (and probably not the only fan from that era with that sentiment) was, that it might destroy some "precious" illusions of the time, place, people and the "lore" itself. But glad to say: it didn't and the director managed to capture "the air of the time" rather well and produced something that somehow reminded me of a BM-version of "Dazed and Confused". As to the "problem child" Varg. I watch his videos occasionally. Some of his theories and thoughts are plausible, others are outlandish at best, or just plain insane.Of course he is a gifted storyteller, still charismatic but still enjoys nothing so much as the sound of his own voice. Which should remind us: prisons are not wells of knowledge and wisdom, and though many cons leave reformed, they rarely leave the joint more honest than when they entered it. A fine example would be that half a dozen (and counting) videos he uploaded on the topic of LOC, which all seem to have the same points: he really "doesn't care" about the film, hasn't seen it, and has no intention to see it, because it's crap. Trying to point out to him, that he gave up every chance of influencing the movie or story, at the very moment he refused to speak to the crew, will generally get you banned instantly (indeed, apart from the obvious SJW channels, he may well be the most easily triggered and block-happy content producer I have ever seen - usually not the character associated with somebody sure of himself). What is also interesting is the cesspool of his fanboi-base, which seems to consist of 70 percent South American and Eastern European kids, larping as super-aryans (and who naturally swallow each "Varg-widsom" like gospel wrapped in cotton candy).
Great points. I'm hoping this movie helps reduce the black metal bots that have ruined the underground. It's like the NPC of metal.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE You need to talk to the black metal kids. Do they want to burn down churches after they see this movie? Because I kind of think they might.
I agree with everything you said regarding majority of his followers here. But comparing to some of the political parties that are rising up in EU now Varg is just a hippie who reads fairytales. It's really reactionary state of mind to ongoing migrations. You have people like never before coming not only from war zones as refugees but also from the contries that are not even close by. And in large numbers. Countries in Europe don't have the means to integrate these people. The other day I heard Finland is paying 5000 eur to any migrant who wants to go back to his country. But just imagine you come from Syria, you barely speak english and you end up in Hungary, or Finland. It's easy when it's somebody from Poland or even Slovakia to move to Norway or Denmark, or somebody from Croatia to Germany or Serbia to Austria, Romania to Italy or Spain, cause it's almost a natural migrating process that was going on for years and slow, established small communities and lots of prospect for micro enterprises. But now you have large numbers pouring in with people that never had a natural impact on Europe, and I'm afraid more and more countries will choose their own little "Brexits". To this day Turkish community in lots of Eu countries are unfortunatelly treated as an outsider. Let alone someone from their neighborhood. So you don't have to share Varg's views to come to very logic conclusion that is not going to end up well. Wouldn't it be logical to at least split the numbers and imigrate these refugees to USA. First and foremost it's a vast country with a great economy and secondly it's nation of migrants. Sorry I had to talk politics but I really think people cling to his ideas because they cannot wrap their heads around with what is going on in Europe today.
@@benjaminlinus2792 The migration comment in the movie was, "My these Middle Easterners make yummy sandwiches, and so cheap." Selling your birthright for a sandwich. White genocide is going on in all white countries. Endless war and chaos is happening everywhere thanks to the Zionist Empire we all live in. The whites are treated as outsiders in their own nations.
*slow clap*
You make a really great point about the visual deception employed in the film and how it's a sort of tribute to the band photos used on old album sleeves. Just like those old band photos on the album sleeves, less is more when it comes to how much detail you want to show for creating a darker, more ominous aesthetic. It was a technique mastered by the guys in Darkthrone, whose album covers would have certainly appeared silly if not for the effects and distortion applied to them.
Yep. A lot of black metal bots are complaining the movie has cringe. As if those Polaroids never existed? There was a lot of cringe but they blank it out and focus on the romantic ideal. At the end of the day teenagers posing with fake swords, candilabras and spiked gloves is cringe. Easily forgotten when you eclypse that with the crimes and rage in the music.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE Extremely cringe-worthy, lol... but as you mentioned, black metal music's appeal owes a lot to the lore and mystery that surrounds it. It's more interesting to think of those guys as death-obsessed freaks who sacrifice to Satan and burn churches for a living, even if it's mostly bullshit. I honestly loved how the movie exposed that and brought together the dichotomy of evil-doer and innocent, naive teenager that existed with Euronymous and the others.
Something that I did not like personally at all about the movie was how they made Oystein and Per look good friends. Actually they did not get along and argued alot even fought.
nice to see you have moved into sociology/life studies syllabus this degree is gonna be real impressive. Brilliant post man
I thought the movie was ten times better than I thought it would be. I was expecting it to be truly awful. But it was a quality, if not completely accurate, movie. And I didn't know how much detail they got right abut their gear. Thanks for that.
Yep I was thinking the worst too.
Didn't know about the gear either, but I noticed their clothes and the way they moved was spot on. Almost every scene in the movie is a reference to one of the rare pictures or videos of that time.
@@HunterShad Yeah. It made Me think that they changed things by choice. Not just because they felt like it. They did their research.
Funny thing is, I'm convinced that the non-glamorisation was an artistic choice, and probably a very hard to sell one. I'm sure that it would have been way easier to sell, and so to make, if they have use handsome muscular californian surfers like they do so much in tv shows. I'm sure of that. To make them not glamourous is not a selling point. It was a choice to make a point, like the things they changed from reality, it was to make an artistic point.
Yep. It may have been a representation of the inner ugly side of Vargs hate. So his look and attitude was portrayed in his appearance. But on the flip side the vargbot fanboys wanted a Thor character because they have this romantic ideal of what they IMAGINE he was from a handful of pics and video evidence. He was a regular mildly attractive skinny kid and they boost him to a God.
Hey man, great realistic, honest film review of Lords of Chaos and good made points..kudos... fellow metaller !!
Cheers Jon
They could make a comedy movie about Immortal
I love immortal tho, they are my favorit black metal band
I always thought they should make an animated film like yellow submarine with the music from Battles in the North, in which Abbath and Demonaz actually go to Blashyrk and meet Ravendark!
@@andybrinks3784 thats a good idea
I agree. ruclips.net/video/0gZt5RNy6YA/видео.html
I love Rory Culkin. I do. He wasn't bad in this. However the movie is a Disney version of their lives. Give me a break.
Love this video and many of your opinions expressed in it! It really helped explain the dynamics I experienced in the punk scenes I've been in. I too am exhausted with the majority of the underground but I'm a bit less cynical about the music. I'd probably be more exhausted if I knew the bands people ripped off better.
Yep it's really just because I'm old... I imagine if a 19 year old me just discovered black metal I'd be less jaded.
I agree with you that the Lillyhammer murder looked real! Seems like the director watched the leaked Dnepropetrovsk maniacs murder tape... it gave me flashbacks
I enjoyed some of the movie but I felt they tripped up badly in a couple of areas. I don’t understand why they made a love interest for Euronymous. I don’t feel like it added anything of substance to the story. They also did a terrible job of introducing Faust in the story considering that the murder in Lillehammer is featured in the story. Someone with no understanding of the story wouldn’t have known who he was. We just saw him hanging around Helvete up to that point. They didn’t even introduce him in the story. I would’ve liked to see some of the fluff taken out and some of the investigation put in instead.
They brought
that up ?? hmmm Who plays Gylve
"Lords Of Chaos" was a great movie. Was it a FILM? EHHH.. It was entertaining. It might turn a LOT of people on to Mayhem and Varg's music, even though he doesn't want them. I'll probably see my 13 year old daughters classmates start to use "corpse paint". She actually has a real understanding of LaVeyan Satanism, something her classmates will never understand, which is not what Euronymous believed, but she's by and far smarter than most people her age, at 13.
Nice intro :-)
I don't really know if I want to see this movie or not. I grew up in Oslo during the whole black metal thing and I just don't think a Hollywood movie can compare to that. On the other hand, it looks like a good movie if you just kinda forget that its based on a real story. Probably gonna see it at some point.
Sub to Pewds \m/
And COT of course!
Yep a horror reviewer who had no idea who Mayhem was watched it and loved it. It's interesting getting a fresh take. Because it is a crazy story at the end of the day.
Sure is! It was quite the media circus in the 90's when it was all happening. Totally crazy.
I also think they could have made Varg a person we shouldnt glorify, but at the same time make him more accurate. A lot of "villains" in movies have charm. It wasnt really necessary at all to make him a fat poser..
Hey man! Airheads is classic! Haha but anyways great video 👍👍
Nice commentary mate, many keen observations. What kind of back surgery did you get? You seem to be getting on well, yes? Looking at back surgery in my near future.
It was a laminectomy/disc replacment. And it failed. So my back is worse than it was. Be very careful getting surgery.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE Sorry to hear that. Kudos for you for not letting a chronic condition take over your personality. Your videos come off as the product of someone who is really living life to the fullest. I would be very interested to see a video about how the condition has impacted your ability to play or life in general. Thanks and best
Probably my favorite, non gear related video you’ve done. Well done dude!
Thanks for this video. I agree that it had to go through a lot of hoops just to get made, and compromises were inevitable. My pet peeve is, Snorre's character should have been cast, written, and played a little bit more intelligently. But doing that would be against the aim of the movie, and would confuse the normies in the audience. Overall, as a longtime fan of the genre, I liked how it turned out. Could have been way worse. This is probably the best thing Mayhem (as a band now) could have hoped for, even if it's not 100% true. And the fact that they subtitle the movie "Truth and LIES" hangs a lantern on it, so we can move on with the story from the get go.
Agreed.
Thanks for reminding me to broaden my perspective. Divide and conquer is something that does happen.
Cheers Dan.
Re Imitators Robert Smith told of the first occasion that he looked out across the audience and was shocked to see actual replicas of HIM or The Cure - staring back at them…he was horrified again a year or three after as he stood looking out at tens of thousands of fans & realised that THEY had become a ‘ stadium ‘ act - the very thing they’d rejected years before as spikey. Punks🙄🏴❤️
Lol. Some people will never be happy regardless of the scene.
I was perusing reviews for this movie when I came across this one. At first I thought "30 minute review of a movie that shouldn't exist? Aahahaha, fuck this guy." 29 minutes later "GREATEST MOVIE REVIEW ON RUclips" Awesome video!
Cheers Noah.
only jack kilner (dead) tried to do the accent but overall i thought the movie was poorly paced and I didn't like how they left out so many details, and made Euronymous some kind of hero of metal and maybe varg seem like a evil villain when in reality both of them were like anit heroes
Hero? They showed him tell Dead that blowing his brains out will stop his depression. He ripped off his freinds. Lied and took the glory of the accomplishments of others. Take off your blinkers. There can be such a thing as two bad people.
*anal heroes
The attention to detail during the recording/gig scenes is so good because the director Jonas Akerlund was a member of Bathory
He wasn't a member he was a fill for the drummer.
I loved the movie.
I like bm music and dont mind that people are racist but the corpse paint sucks and is stupid as hell.
Easy rule for whether something is still "real" or "hardcore" or "underground" or not... if all the dirtballs and outcasts at your local high school are into it and you can get the t-shirt at the mall, it's already dying. If the popular kids and jocks at your local high school are into it, it was dead ten years ago (or never mattered in the first place).
Blackened metal is BEYOND saturated. Last month black metal makeup tutorials were trending on RUclips.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE that's hilarious... but I can't say I'm surprised.
If they don't want to stay true to the story, make a movie influenced by what happened but use different names. Could've happened in the US then, so the accents would've made more sense. The characterization is just terrible and not true to the material. I particularly dislike how Dead was portrayed (mentally insane all his life and only happy when inhaling the scent of death, lol. He went downhill after he came to Norway and became very mentally ill due to being bullied and isolated), but of course, making Euro the antihero is just... And Varg a shy kid? He was well read even back then, more so than Euro ever was, and knew how to make bombs and get a hold of illegal firearms, which isn't easy to do in Norway (my country). Today we would've branded him a terrorist. No, I hope the nordic countries will at some point make a movie about this that stays true to the people involved and their story, hopefully the Swedes because here in Norway we can't think a single independent thought anymore and copy American movies that were never that great in the first place. Also, with all the movies about school shooters, terrorists, serial killers etc. that are out there, I can't see why burning a few churches on screen is so terrible. They should have stayed true to the ideology behind it rather than just say "Christian niceness dictatorship" or whatever. It makes this a comedy for people who know a thing or two about BM... Nice video btw :)) I like what you say about the underground. I dated a guy who was copying the scene the way it was back in the 90s. He even sent CDs to people in foreign countries and could only listen to bands that had less than 1000 likes on YT. Fun stuff, haha.
Yep. Most of that is true. But cringe had to be in the movie. The docs were mostly dark, kvlt and mysterious. Teenagers posing with fake swords wearing makeup and making anguished faces and taking pics is cringe. It's like the Goths on Portlandia. The real truth is somewhere between the docs, Vargs blog and the movie. That's why I hope black metal jumps the shark. It's turned the underground into bedroom core with kvlt graphics. It's more romanticized that goth, post punk etc.
Really good video, especially the parallel with crews/gangs/violent groups (be it regular gangs, rap crews, hardcore crews, etc).
I don't think you watch Varg's videos, he makes some great points...
I don't think you watched my video. Because I said Varg does make great points.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE Ok, but Varg not a nationalist he makes videos on this exact subject.
And then he counterbalances it by making a whole lot of ludicrous unscientific, anthropological claims.
@@BoneMachine28 like the so called experts do, to push a narrative.
T J Ø D R I K varg and you push a narrative as well. We all do it. Grow up. You got hooked into an actual cult ironically enough
There's pictures of Varg around 92-93 where he is chubby, almost baby-faced. I thought the movie did an excellent job of bringing the book to life. Varg's mom says, in general, he tends to have a different view of how things happened. She also said she overheard Euronymous say he could pay his bills just with the money coming in from the Burzum albums. You know that had to piss off Varg. Blackthorn didn't tell Varg that he heard Euronymous say he was going to kill Varg. That was put into the movie to just wrap up the storyline easily. Blackthorn was actually in the stairwell during the whole thing, but not in the apartment. And it was Blackthorn's testimony that screwed Varg, and Varg said Blackthorn told such a great story it even gave him 8 years in prison!
Must have been in Cartman mode when going balls deep in D&D.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE Lol. I've done that before. I don't know if the book is still in print, but I don't see why not, especially since there's a movie now. Check out the book Lords of Chaos. Everything I posted is there, plus much more. All the interviews, etc. Blackthorn says he never heard Euronymous say he was going to kill Varg before the murder, but he did hear about it afterwards. Whether it was a rumor that got started, who knows. But to hear Varg tell it Blackthorn was on the phone with Euronymous and Varg heard him say it first hand. The movie also has Blackthorn telling Varg this and Blackthorn is the one who drove him from Bergen to Oslo, where Euronymous lived. Varg tells a... funny?... story that if he would've killed Blackthorn he would've gotten away with it. Blackthorn's testimony is what convicted Varg. And Varg gives later interviews saying he was just joking about that. lol
Varg also says in an early interview that the prosecutors used Blackthorn's police confession after Bkackthorn recants everything. That's B.S.
i.pinimg.com/564x/de/e5/e6/dee5e6cc0049f3e2469cbcac0f718375--black-metal-rockers.jpg
@@pansophia93 good info. Cheers.
I was called a "poser" for defending this movie.
Yep Varg himself influenced a lot of people to auto dislike the movie because he wanted nothing to do with it.
Sorry for spamming comments but I'm commentating as I watch the video. I totally thought that too about Varg. The author of the original book was accused of being overly neutral, and perhaps having nazi leanings. So I think the director was protecting Himself.
Black metal, like punk, is now officially dead.
I'm hoping that this movie makes it jump the shark. Punk seems to at least have morphed into something that has legs. Check out this vid I did ruclips.net/video/CRI2djgBurA/видео.html
Punk's not dead. I can namedrop a hundred punk/hardcore bands that have been going strong for years.
Long live Post-Punk
Black Crust is the best thing ever though
Haha, love the trolling! I’d like to speak my opinion on Varg but I’ll keep it to myself.
Me too
Hot takes again. I love your content.
Thanks man.
Fully disagree. Black Metal was never supposed to be a musical genre. Being "Black Metal" was supposed to mean, being 100% original in whatever style of music you made. Clones of previous bands were pointless. Varg was slandered terribly in this movie. Varg was never a fat, shy racist, and was certainly not influenced by Euronymous. Varg was a fairly quiet, polite and well mannered young man who was interested in Role Playing Games. His influences were Techno/Rave music, classical music, and a VERY limited selection of heavy metal/rock music. He was totally against the "sex drugs and rock n roll" lifestyle. He was anti everything, in terms of music. He largely wanted to be anonymous. He had a 1 man musical project (not even a band). He created his own stage name. His music was ENTIRELY created by himself in every detail. He placed his trust in a like minded man (Euronymous) early on in his musical career to his error. His albums had errors in the song titles and lyrics due to Euronymous, and the money was literally stolen and used to fund Mayhem. While there is NO shred of proof Varg ever burned any churches (Please read the official court documents) he did use the imagery for his album art work and openly admitted he either supported the actions of the arsonists or simply did not care. He was young, and exceptionally proud. He could have said and done a lot of things to have his prison term greatly reduced but he never compromised in his opinions. As for the murder, if you believe Varg, he did it as an act of self preservation (Euronymous had openly discussed plans to kidnap, torture and murder Varg with his close friends and they TESTIFIED in court that they had informed Varg of these plans). If you do not believe Varg, then he literally drove to Euronymous to intentionally murder him. Personally I believe the former, as Varg had already surpassed the so called "Inventor" of Black Metal musically. He had made plans to leave Deathlike Silence Productions and created his own label, Cymophane Records and had made a deal with another label to distribute Burzum (Which they did until his arrest for murder). He had no logical reason to murder the man. Finally as a very politically minded man, Varg has been accused of everything from satanism to nazism. Ironically these are both unfair judgements. And while some of Varg's views are unpopular, it his human rights to have them and fully express them (Freedom should be ABSOLUTE), it is upto us the viewer/listener/reader to agree or disagree. If you disagree, express your opionions as he does, or ignore him and anything associated with him.
You didn't watch my vid because I explained a lot of what did just claimed. Varg was fat at one point during that time. You think Varg drove all day, stabbed Euronymous almost 30 times in "self defense". Don't take everything Varg says as gospel. He also said that Euronymous lacked balls and was a liar. So why would he be afraid of a guy who was all talk?
The documentaries are bs. The movie is bs.
CIRCLE OF TONE He was afraid because Euronymous supposedly told a very select few of people he thought he could trust about his plans to murder Varg. Necrobutcher has verified that Euronymous had threatened to kill varg and even the investigators of Euronymous murder found evidence that Euronymous made plans to murder Varg. You are just repeating lies told by the mainstream poseur metal press created for fake metal fans like you without actually looking at the evidence found in the investigation or what the actual people involved in the Black Metal scene say. Also Varg was never fat at any point while he was involved with the metal music scene of Norway. You are taking the accounts of Lords of Chaos at face value now. What motivation would Varg have to murder Euronymous? Also according to Varg he only stabbed Euronymous 5 times and the rest was from glass he had fallen on and even if he did stab Euro that many times it doesn't mean anything as he was fighting for his life and had the adrenaline rush in his veins so he made sure that Euronymous would not get another chance to kill him.
They just had to have a jew play Varg.
Does the movie tell how Euronymous wanted to kill Varg first? And how Euronymous wanted to destroy black metal?
Varg \,,/
In one of his videos, Varg had explained that Euronymous was planning to kill him on a couple occasions and that he was defending himself from Euronymous on the night of renown. Also that Euronymous was ripping Varg off over album sales and other such things such as selling blank Burzum tapes and not fulfilling album orders. Varg's account here: ruclips.net/video/e7itU7kruO0/видео.html
Yep. Self defence...stabbing him 24 times is...not exactly a defensive manouver but anything is possible.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE Yeah, not saying I believe it, but anything is possible. The guy (Euronymous) wasn't well liked by many for many reasons, and from what I understand, was capable of committing the same or worse to Varg or someone else. It's just that Varg got to him first. A power struggle among alphas. I'm just wondering if the movie even comes close to explaining any of this.
WTF Tone? Recording with SM57s is my will and you question it?
Does copying DSO make you progressive? Let's find out.
Okay enough memeing let's watch the video.
Lol
huge black metal fan. i have high expectations of the movie but since i heard a lot of bad shit im scared to watch it. heard about a lot of inconsistencies ect
and even varg said that 'the jew played him bad' and that's in nice words xD its was worse
did you just double clap like meme review or have i been watching to much pewdiepie
Yep. Hehe
@@CIRCLEOFTONE haha respect
I watched it this week , I actually remember the story being in Kerrang at the time . The film is pretty good but I definitely agree it's weird with the accents . It's worth a watch if you remember this era or are just interested in heavier music .
Spoken from the position of an outsider with very little intellect to offer. Go figure.
Give me a hug. (Waiting for Grimm acceptance?) smiley face? Huggy kissy? U so kold an mysterie.
CIRCLE OF TONE I am talking about the people that made this film and you. The people who made this film knew that the Lords of Chaos book was factually incorrect (Jonas said this himself) yet they decided anyway to base this film off of that book of lies which shows how little they care about the lore and the facts about what happened in Mayhem and were solely concerned with making money off of this disgrace. You are giving these people WAY TOO MUCH credit and are excusing them for their slander. Furthermore you criticize black metal for its supposed copycat bands when Black Metal right now is actually becoming more boundary pushing and their are plenty of bands innovating the genre. More bands in Black Metal are starting to be more controversial in this politically correct era by making lyrics about Aryan Supremacy and Nationalist pride thus making the genre the last bastion that truly supports free speech, non conformity, authenticity, having no boundaries and no ties to morality. Yes there are Darkthrone clones but there will always be bands that will push the boundaries.
@@iamdeath4193 You may have bought too much into the image. Cringe had to be in the movie. The docs were mostly dark, kvlt and mysterious. But...
Think about it. Teenagers posing with fake swords in the forest, wearing makeup and making anguished faces while taking pics is cringe.
It's like the Goths on Portlandia. The real truth is somewhere between the docs, Vargs blog and the movie. That's why I hope black metal jumps the shark. It's turned the underground into bedroom core with kvlt graphics. It's more romanticized that goth, post punk etc.
What boundaries are being pushed? You are not allowed to shred, have regular production, have an image etc etc without being SHREDDED by Tru neckbeards. How many kold vintner lakez can you sing about without going insane?
CIRCLE OF TONE I am not concerned that much about the cringe as I am more bothered with the gigantic myths in the film such as Euronymous having a girlfriend, him shaving his head before he was killed and the misportrayel of Euronymous as some good guy that was just misguided. The truth is (and this is based on the accounts of many in the scene) is that Euronymous was a shitty person that had his ego get the best of him, threatened to kill people, took pictures of his dead friend, and would try and police the whole black metal scene with his narrow minded mentality of what black Metal was supposed to be to try and out do others and held the scene back as a consequence. Euronymous planned to torture and kill Varg and that was the reason why he died and nobody in the scene was remotely surprised or mourned his death as they knew who he was. This film is a glorified generic drama film that does its best to be inaccurate.
As far as the state of Black Metal is concerned and the boundaries that are being pushed there are bands that have regular production and guitar solos. It's not a matter of not being allowed to have regular production, guitar solos, or a distinct image outside of the traditional corpse paint and bullet belt image that has defined black metal. Its more about not fixing what isn't broken and creating black metal that does its job at creating a dark and grim atmosphere rather than trying to be different for the sake of being different. One of The reasons why the progenitors of the genre used lo fi production was because it complemented the music they were creating and added to the grim atmosphere. Regular production only works if it's done in the correct way which very few bands get right with the exception of a couple such as Dissection. Guitar solo's are still used however they are not so dominated within the music as solo's are more meant for displaying technical ability and used for metal that is more rhythm and riff oriented with technicality such as Death Metal however Black Metal is more centered around creating a grim and dark feeling than displaying technical ability and talent. Nonetheless you can still push the boundaries of Black Metal while retaining lo fi production and lack of guitar solo's. Drowning The Light has released some very interesting work and Peste Noir incorporated orchestral music and various different genres in their album L'Ordure à l'état pur. Then you have bands that play black metal in its pure style while having a sound of their own such as Inquisition and Satanic Warmaster. Also as I have said before it is also pushing the boundaries lyrically with themes like nationalism and supremacy in mind and in this politically correct era we live in making it a genre where you can do whatever the fuck you want and about rebellion.
CIRCLE OF TONE Also I thought you hated regular production? Now you want Black Metal to have regular production? Make up your mind.
I am old enough to have read about the black metal scenes in Kerrang! and the like. I have to admit in the decades that have followed, there appears to be almost 20 versions to almost every single event or story that have come about. Ultimately this was a bunch of kids that tried to sell themselves on grim and nekro and went too far in a competitive state. I think the biggest problem I have with LOC is that most people like me would have appreciated a full, detailed and as truthful as you could possibly make account of what happened. I thought that was the point in the movie. While I won't defend anyone, Varg is portrayed as a complete frustrated wimp which doesn't quite make sense. The first arrest, if he was that stupid and easily led, wouldn't the police have gathered some incriminating evidence on him? Even subtleties like the chocolate milk; it's widely spoken that while hanging out in Helvete they drank chocolate milk. How or why it appeared in the final scenes of Euronymous' demise seems like taking one factoid and presenting it to over-dramatise the murder scene. Ultimately it's not the totally true accounting of things evidently and there seems to be more besides. The big thing about Varg killing Euronymous for me is that he apparently knew that Euronymous planned to kill him. If someone was openly threatening you in this way, would you turn up at his flat at night on your own? Especially driving all the way from Bergen to Oslo? Nah doesn't add up! As for Euronymous having a girlfriend or being homosexual, I don't really care what the answer is myself. It doesn't wholly appear relevant to the events myself and if it is relevant, I don't think LOC is giving a truthful account anyway, more adding the love interest angle for the box office.
That said, the Dead suicide scene... damn, that was a hard watch. That's the one part I thought the movie did very well. Of course nobody can know how exactly it played out for sure, but that was striking. Excellent piece of acting.
Whether Per/Pelle/Dead actually committed suicide is still up for debate. Euronymous and Dead could not stand each other for weeks prior to the day Dead died. There is evidence that euronymous pressured Dead into killing himself and psyched him up real bad before leaving him alone hoping to return and find him dead. Euronymous was jealous of Dead and in fact took over vocal duties after the incident. He also really wanted the publicity. Which he pathetically exploited to no end. So it goes, Euronymous returned several hours later and found Dead still alive. He had cut himself and possibly wrote a suicide note, or partly, but changed his mind. As many cutters will tell you, something often holds one back from cutting too deep. It's often not to kill oneself but to release pain and feel something else other then the darkness. This is often the case of what Dead had done. In fact his deepest wounds were actually inflicted by Euronymous at previous times. So then many say Euronymous psyched Dead into finishing the job with the shotgun and many others say that Euronymous finished Dead off himself. Euronymous was there back and forth rearranging things, taking photos and gathering pieces of the skull. I think it was a couple days before the death was actually reported bye someone else that Euronymous had told. Euronymous slipped up and said things even and later would recant statments. Saying he was joking, or as if they were "what ifs". There was no investigation and as later fact and evidence came to light it was all dismissed because the scene had been to disturbed and too much time had passed in order to truly prove anyting. The police didn't really care. Especially with all the controversy behind the band. And the fact was that the poor depressed kid Pelle from Sweden was dead and nothing could change it. No one could properly mourn and focus on the truth as Euronymous flooded the media with disturbing photos that constantly changed and crazy stories about eating brains etc. Many try to just chalk Euronymous up as a publicity-hungry narcissist. But I think he's truly was a sociopath. He was constantly plotting she hurt people and even kill them. As was in Euronymouss last days that he said he was going to kidnap Kris (Count Grishnackh/Varg). Euronymous said he wanted to shoot a video of the torture and murder Varg. Varg was very paranoid for weeks. Euronymous lured Varg to his shop where he also lived. Euronymous told Varg it was to settle up on a contract or something which Varg was suspicious about. In the long drive there Varg worried. So when he went in and Euronymous attacked him with a knife (which is said to be the same one Dead used to cut himself his last day) Varg fought with Euronymous and Euronymous got stabbed a few times in self-defense and then they fell through the front window. All of the so-called wounds to Euronymous has back was from the window. Over 30 (if going by the common 37 claimed since that # often changes) of the so-called knife wounds we're in fact from glass and do not match up with the knife. The knife wounds in fact prove there was a struggle because of the trajectory in the neck and head. Varg also had wounds to prove it was self-defense but again the police focused more on the reputation of the band and especially the outrage from the church burnings that they were taking a lot of credit for. Police jumped on the opportunity to lock someone up and appease the public some. Most of band members enjoy the sensationalism and play into negativity as much as they can to play into the cover of their reputation. Many fans tend to enjoy the stories and ignore the truths. But even so the truths are sicker and sadder than what is commonly told...
Yep the movie did show Euronymous telling Dead to kill himself if he wanted the pain of his depression to end. He also held guns up to his head etc in the movie. But Varg has also said that Euronymous was all talk and no action so he contradicted himself over the years. I don't believe either rumor to be honest. Dead's nickname was dead for a reason. He was obsessed with it. And Varg drove miles with a knife and the number of stabs is not self defence, that's a frenzy. Varg also wanted to die in battle and this was his chance. I mean dead cut himself on stage etc, that's not normal. But thanks for the info. It's best to get all angles.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE I explained the cutting. You say it's not normal but yet it's very common. Among musicians and wrestlers. Depressed people do it all the time. Even Pelles last day his so called own inflicted knife wounds we're not deep enough to kill him. The only ones he ever had to go to the hospital for are the ones that Euryonomous inflicted on him. It took a shotgun blast (to the top of his head,[not xommon position of in the mouth] whike laying down partialy, at an odd angle to kill him) go figure? He died a couple times a child and questioned life. I myself have died three times and understand that well. One more thing we had in common. But he was really enjoying life for once and looking forward to touring coming to the states. Many factors that do not add up. & I never really went off of Vargs stories nor the band members. They made up so much crap and change their stories way too much and wanted publicity. So balanced from others i know/knew, with no other motives. Facts are Euryonomous was planning to torture and kill Varg for a while. Varg was not sure what to believe. He carried something like a wooden bat with him almost everywhere he went for weeks. Keep in mind Varg was only 20, 5 years younger than Euryonomous and aware of much that Euryonomous had done so was just in his paranoia. Yet still quite naive. So, That day, he took some more stuff with him to be on the safe side that he did not take in with him. He did not want to provoke anything in case it all was bs. Varg figured if things went down he could run to the car. But Euryonomous attacked him with a knife and during the struggle Varg turned it onto Euronymous and stabbed him a few times mostly while Euryonomous hands were still on the blade. Then they fell into the window, Euryonomous back first (thus the other MIS counted wounds) Varg had cuts on him as well from the blade and glass. That all was argued in court too. Someone from the court stated that Varg was kept in questioning with nothing to eat or drink for days as they kept pushing their version of the story and would not allow him to get any rest. All so they could make an arrest and get a maximum jail sentence and finally punished one of the so-called church burners. So twisted! Yet another reason Vargs stories are off and cannot be fully trusted. But facts are that all the real evidence favored Varg & justice is not fair!
They hated the Morrisound sound (and the way they dressed of course) but I think they also did not like that the Swedish bands were all recording at Sunlight Studios to get that exact Sunlight sound. I loved that sound myself but that is how I remember it back then.
Yep. They would send death threats to DM bands if they had a pink guitar etc. Hehe
I've been hesitating to see this movie because of all the bad press it's gotten from "troo-kvltists" but after this insightful synopsis, I think I'll give it a chance (if for no other reason than the fact that I know it would piss off Varg...)
I kind of agree they did fine with what they had to work with. The story simply doesn't fit in the Hollywood formula, so it was changed to something different. But that Varg... holy shit. It just didn't make any sense for anyone to hang out with him the was he was portrayed. I would be okay with it if they went with something less realistic like Gregg Araki's The Doom Generation, but if you go with 'real' at least go all the way.
Yep they did lean in too much to the annoying aspect of him.
Rory Culkin killed it as Euronymous. The girlfriend thing seemed a little out of place. She was unnecessary as I think we already got to see Euronymous when he was "off" when he was around his family house.
Agreed.
I haven't gone into this anywhere near as deeply as yourself, but from what I have seen I can't argue with a thing you said. Your dissection of the political situation is pretty spot on too.
Excellent review especially the end, glad I found your channel. subbed
Welcome to the Circle!
True underground today lies in crust punk and black speed metal
I strongly disagree. Copycats of ancient scenes need to die. ruclips.net/video/09ToLGkcFlQ/видео.html
That was a great spiel Owen. I felt like I was sitting in an echo chamber - in a good way! :)
Let's face it, watching Lords of Chaos was like watching a ballet. It told the story, but wasn't supposed to be fact-solid. Artistic licence was taken to tell the story well, and as you say, to be sure it reached a decent size market or for that matter the market at all. If people want fact-accurate stuff they can watch documentaries on Norwegian Black Metal, there's plenty of those.
I am wondering about the whole thing with Varg screaming into the headphones though? Was that actually done or was it simply being confused with the shitty computer headset mic that he used on Filosofem, where I presume he was using the actual mic?
Yep I should have said headset.
Off-topic I love it when you go off topic. The scene wether underground or not (rap ) has a hold on a kids reality , which is both the magic but also is hunting ground for those wolves you are spot on.
Thanks man.
every one seems to scoff that vargs created his own pnp RPG game. but you get whole games developers company's doing that, and hes created a decent one single handed check out some reviews of it.
Film review turned pub chat. Haha. You're right about the gang thing.
Cheers Jammo
Something I've wondered..what if Euronymous pulled the trigger? I mean, they didn't get along after awhile, he arranged the knife n gun, could've set it all up. He was kind of a liar. Who knows..
Yep possible but most claimed he didn't have the balls and was all talk so I doubt it.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE True, but it's crazy how he slit both wrists, then throat, THEN shot himself, then Euronymous "arranges" the weapons for photos making a reason for his finger prints being on the weapons. Eitherway, very interesting.
Yep. If it was a regular dude it would be more suspicious. Deads flirts and threats of suicide make it less likely but it's still possible.
Regarding the American accents for all of the lead characters -- my take is that this may also have been an artistic choice to heighten the absurdity and strangeness of it all.
Yep watching reviews from people who had no idea about Mayhem was enjoyable because they had the WTF reaction to the crazy story. Normies who don't know the lore were shocked by the brutality and story.
Varg is still a hero and idol to many. As is euronymous. But the real black metal spirit remains in norway. The rest of the world just adapted the things that the „inner circle“ did. Aarseth and Vikernes were the founding fathers. Mayhem, Emperor, Burzum, Satyricon, Immortal and so forth. They are les enfants terribles so to speak. But the past remains the past. Today, as of 2019, you couldn’t burn down a church just like that. It would be all over social media. And whoring yourself out to mass media isnt the thing to do when you’re a black metal musician.
One thing I have to disagree with is the praise of Norway's reform system. When Varg was first arrested and released he said so himself that prison wasn't so bad, and just looking at there system it seems pretty luxurious in comparison to American prisons. If anything this may have influenced his decision to commit murder. Saying that he has a job and family does not make him reformed, he had those things already when he committed his crimes. The guy is 50 years old and still thinks that stabbing someone in the back while they are running away pleading for there life is "self defense", which to me seems like he carries the same mindset to commit a murder again over similar circumstances.
Relativley reformed. Remember he was stabbing people to death 30 times and fantasizing about dying in battle, while dressing like a Neo Nazi while in prison. You can't expect that to turn into Ned Flanders. He's stayed out of prison was my point. One thing is for sure, Varg has padded the truth trying to paint his actions as more of a heroic endeavor and his fans lap it up.
This is Varg -- huh -- Vow'g!
I lie wounded, on wintery ground
With hundreds of corpses, all around
Many wounded, crawl helpless around
On the blood, red snowy ground
Varg!
Varg!
Vaaarg!
Vaaarrrrggg!
Cries of death (ha ha) suffering sound
Cries for help, to all their dead moms
Varg!
Varg!
Vaaarg!
Vaaarrrrggg!
Many hours, of music
Many drops, of blood
Many shiverings, and I am... DEAD!
And still, we must never give up
Varg!
Varg!
Vaaarg!
Vaaarrrrggg!
You, who like the moon at night
Haunted my mortal heart...
You who made these ancient walls
Shine like divine marble
The unwanted breath - through creedence
A derelict shell in the desert
- Mesmerized -
As love inflamed the night
Burning tongues brought the rain
The sand remained - purified
Murmur at the meager's spear
Battered Cartagian pride
The beloved cry - wasted dismay
Invasion of baseness and shade
You, loved by your father
Innocent as a vestal - dove
Buried in a deep blue sea
As we all lose - ever
@@CIRCLEOFTONE The repetitiveness in your video description of "Varg, Varg, Varg" made me think of Burzum's "War".
Euronymous was gay. he didnt drink alcohol and he wasnt funny. this movie is total crap.
When he said movie review and clapped 🙏
Can I get an F in the chat?
@@CIRCLEOFTONE F
Hell yeah
Varg was not a "skinhead" before he met Mayhem, he played Death metal in Old Funeral.
It’s like Faust is the only character without an American accent
I was a punk/speed metal kid, but this sounds like adults acting like 17 year olds.
They were teenagers at the time but the scene was cringe. Teenagers posing in the forest wearing makeup holding fake swords was cringe of the highest order but various documentaries painted the era as Grimm Kold and Kvlt. So the movie and the documentaries were BS.
they could have consulted varg, but then they would have to decide wich multiple versions of his story were true since hes changed it so many times so....
Haha.
I really liked the movie lol, I’ve never really gotten into the real real story I just knew the basics but I still think you have great options on this! I think the movie was definitely glamorized and sympathetic to cater to more audiences so I don’t count it as true documentation but more like a story based on real life. Direction and acting was amazing to me too and there was nice cinematography in there!!! (I just really like cinematography). There was a lot of shock value that went to me because I’m kinda a baby ‘metalhead’ (I don’t think I can label that for myself just yet) and I didn’t know the story. I’m still kinda a kid so I’m not as educated in the whole deal, but I am trying to discover and understand so this was really nice! Great review! Great learning experience for me too. Sorry for the whole essay lol😋 (if this is only abt the movie I can’t imagine how long my comment would be about everything else😰)
Glad you liked it. I'm due a rewatch.
Always looking forward for your videos, for good reason 🤘
I really liked Lords Of Chaos. I never even heard of Mayhem or Burzum til I watched this movie. It was a story that has stuck with me and I read about everything that actually happened during the time Euronymous was alive. I’ve listened to their music and I like it, it’s not bad. But all I hear are complaints about the two actors who play Varg and Euronymous and about them being Jewish, sorry but Rory is a Roman-Catholic just saying. Anyways they did a mamazing job play these two guys, so what if they’re Jewish or whatever, they absolutely killed it. They’re actors, ok, they are a handed a script that’s a little tweaked, they got police records, looked at band photos and had private guitar lessons but they still killed it. They are two good actors and I’m sorry if anybody else doesn’t agree but it’s my opinion. The movie was good and had its moments but to me it’s a really good movie, especially since I never heard of the bands before. Yeah it was about lies, truth and what really happened but it’s still a good movie and like I said it has stuck with me since I saw it and probably will for a long time.
I knew that window was not looking out on Wales too much Sun
Haha. True.
You’re awesome. Thoroughly enjoyed this!
Honestly, anything made by Hollywood will always be tacky and oversimplified, no matter the subject. I hate to sound like a cliché, but it's true. So many missed opportunities for a more in-depth character study here. But overall it's exactly what I expected it to be. I guess for anyone completely unfamiliar with anyone involved, the music or the time in history it'll come across as a decent film. Everyone else? Not so much, but it's just an opinion.
Yep. I think directors should bring out an extended cut where they put in lesser known aspect that were cut out to make it less shock value. I think it will sell. I mention that on my review of Motley Crue.
CIRCLE OF TONE. That's a very good idea and should definitely be applied, when biopics are made. I'll check out that review right now.
Isn't it odd how movie executives and most regular folks have no problem at all with close-ups of people being stabbed shot or beaten to death, but the image of an inanimate object (like an empty building) being burned makes them wet their pants? Oh yeah, because an empty old building is somehow "sacred," LMAO.