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In my opinion, I think Jonas wrote Varg like that in the movie to give the middle finger to the real Varg Vikernes. I love the actors who played Dead and Faust. Those two stood out to me more than the rest.
"A fat Jew" as Varg described him. I think Jonas liked that Emory was much bigger than Rory so it portrayed the cruel advantage Varg had over Oystein when he killed him.
Emory was a terrible casting choice and single-handedly ruined any suspension of disbelief that might have been experienced. Nothing against the guy but Varg Vikernes he is not.
If I'd been a teenage girl when this came out, I probably would've fangirled over it too. That thought is super gross and cringe AF now, but teenagers Are horny and cringe. It's just what they do. Edit: it's TiKTok now, but if it came out in the past the same shit would've spread, just on Tumblr or Live Journal instead.
as in the begining. "Based on truth... lies... and what actually happened" (so the everyone has their own truth, it's not the same as what actualy happened) if you take that statement the you can enjoy this movie.
The first time I saw the film I got goosebumps. Not because of the history (that was well known) but because of the very good atmosphere of that time. The clothing of the 90s metal scene and for me personally that was the coolest thing about the film! The actors are Great in what they did but i think the timtravelling aspect is the best in this Movie!
Even then BM nerds watching would complain about the cornfalkes being too soggy. For a bunch of people who claim to be edgy satansits we sure can be real drama queens over inconsequential details.
The Dead scene really bothered me a lot. When I was a teenager I was like "YEAH he killed himself cause the scene SUCKED!!!" but now at 40 its like.....damn. A little help and some medication and he might just be here still today. But like you said, you can definitely just "feel it" in that scene.
My chemo is brutal, I do have drumsticks in my hospital room, I love death metal, ❤❤❤ my brain can’t process anything but somehow the lord still wires my body to lie in my hospital bed and remember Slayer etc. ❤❤❤❤❤
@@Arthur-ke9vz dude bro yell slayer, and heal your body and soul. I understand what you’re talking about when you speak of Jesus Jesus he’s good what people have made up about him is bullshit embrace redemption embrace, Resurrection embrace life, and heal yourself .🤘🏻Slayer all the way there is no death, bro I know I speak out of experience don’t give in keep fighting to live. I would love to have you as a drummer. You have the metal spirit.
@@metalwitch7566 thank you, decades of touring have destroyed my body, I don’t see me leaving this hospital without a body bag, that’s ok, I’ve lived a fabulous journey. I’m basically a living skeleton, I’m ready to go see mom and dad in heaven. I’ll die as a metal head though, up the irons
@@Arthur-ke9vz bro no no no your body is not done Brother Fight ⚡️I wish I was close by. I would go see you and give you everything I had to keep you going. This is what I do. I am from New York State. Hopefully you are as well and I will stop by. Yes you feel the brute of this fucking life but you don’t have to stop living . and if I can give you anything it is Life never ends my friend. I went to heaven I’ve seen it. I experienced it. It’s beautiful. Yes, your mom is there waiting, but how about you are not done living yet how About that . Life tore me the pieces and i wished on death and received it and found out. I was not supposed to be there and I came back to Life because of my Will you can do the same don’t ever stop living fight bro Fight⚡️ Call out give it everything you have it will Hear you ! I Do Fight Brother Fight
My most embarrassing moment was when I was with my ex, she lived just outside Bergen, Norway & I was over there for 1 month to see her as I live in the UK. Her daughter was being being dropped off from the babysitter & I had a few drinks, I made a comment about Varg's antics at Fantoft Stave as it was in the middle of January, Norway is COLD at that time of the year & I made a joke about warming the place up like Varg did. The lady gave me a weird look which I took to be she was shocked an English man knew about what happened, it turned out she used to work for TV 2 Direkte & it was her Husband who filmed the famous clip of Varg going into Court back in the 1990's. They were also VERY Religious & were very strict Christian. Before the week was over it had gone around the Town the English guy was into Black Metal & was a "fan" of Varg etc, I laughed so much. I have NO TIME for the views Varg has, I think he may be on the autism spectrum disorder to say the least BUT his music is amazing, Hvis lyset tar oss & Belus are amazing albums & are the best form of Norwegian Black Metal. I'm even a fan of his 2nd Prison album Hliðskjálf which I love sssooo much.
@@kristellu I agree 100%, Varg isn't well mentally but his music stands alone in the BMN scene. I always laugh at people who aren't able to keep his views to one side & enjoy JUST the music. I welcome ANYONE who hates Mr Wolf to write anything equal to Inn i slottet fra droemmen.
As a piece of fiction I enjoyed it, and this is coming from someone who went through a black metal phase and learned everything I could about the scene. I've never been someone to get mad on behalf of other people. The way they portrayed Varg was hilarious.
@@flonkplonk1649 You forgot who Jonas is. It's not like movie was made by someone like Ben Stiller. It was always cringe (not part with murders/suicide ) but whole shtick about dress code and certain ridiculous rules set by some edgy overlord who was dealing with napoleon complex, were indeed cringe. Mayhem (besides Attila who don't give a fuck and knows when to be diplomatic) were always about the image of deranged and dangerous satanists . Or BM mafia like someone said (varg or fenriz, I dunno). Every documentary on this topic was done in a serious tone, nobody's story matched which resulted in constant debates and mystique which perfectly blended in their idea of cult band with fucked up background (it is). But who were these people who made Mayhem's cult status (euronymous, Dead & varg )? Basement dwelling nerds, all 3 of them. Jonas didn't mocked their music (you're all missing that) costume department was more than legit, having edgy nerdy teenagers and their bizzare antics depicted as cringe gatekeeping nerds is more accurate than official story. That didn't sit well with band and their fans because it made them look less dangerous or fucked up than they really were/are. If there's something that BM musicians and their fans hate, that's being ridiculed for their culture. Many bands who were hanging with Mayhem on daily basis or some foreign bands who met them while touring were mocking some of Mayhem's antics. Abbath, Satyricon, Deicide etc didn't find Mayhem's shenanigans scary or dangerous, they found it cringe. Music aside, crimes aside, everything besides that was cringe. Their early spandex era was cringe,their demo was hilariously cringe, Euronymous was cringe, and when someone as Abbath himself finds you cringe, then you are cringe. The movie is dark where it needed to be dark and it was funny where it needed to be funny. Since there is no 100% accurate truth about Mayhem's adventures in early 90's, I think that this movie could be the most accurate thing about this topic and that makes butthurt fans even more cringe. So, yeah, movie does have heavy dose of cringe because main characters were indeed cringe dudes like it or not.
Great to see you discuss this and give credit where credit is due! I agree that the girlfriend and the redemption of Euronymous were fiction and only there for plot purposes and otherwise uncalled for, and those were the weakest points of the movie. But the cringe moments you discussed were not a writing mistake but very intentional, meant to portray the protagonists as the edgy teens/early 20year-olds they were (and which most of us were at that age, let's face it). I enjoyed the dark comedy of this movie very much. Great writing (with the exceptions I mentioned) and excellent directing.
A lot of people shit on the movie, but I've also found it to be quite good. I think it does a good job of highlighting the fact that these were just a bunch of kids who spiraled out of control. It sort of paints the picture of how a normie might have viewed the scene at the time. I also agree that this movie brought about a heavy dose of nostalgia.
Honestly the story is hilarious. It is a pure gild of dark comedy. When I was explaining Norwegian Black Metal and the death of Euronymous, it was so absurd neither I nor he could stop laughing. And he thought I was talking about some movie. And I am like, no, this stuff really happened
I understand when you criticise the overall tone - I thought it was trying for the same vibe as '24 Hour party People" - the Joy Division flick But I didn't mind it.
It is interesting, as part of black metal history. There is a lot of fiction and interpretation. The scenes with Per and animals are fiction, including and confirmed by the real life history. A lot was exaggerated. The actors were very good. I'd like to see this movie remade in the future.
I loved it. I was exposed to black metal in the 90s from the metalheads in my art class and have been hooked ever since. I watched the movie for what it was and not comparing to what really happened and thats how people should watch it.
I believe the movie would have been better if they would have stuck more accurately to the actual history instead of fabricating some kind of "redemption arc" for Euronymous. It just don't believe Euronymous would have felt that way at this point of his life. He might eventually have if he lived to become older and more mature, but when he died he was still so young and radical. I actually kinda liked the more comedic bits especially in the first part of the movie. Why? Because in my opinion it shows how freaking young they still were. How it all started out quite silly and funny and later on turned really, really dark. Or atleast I always interpreted it that way. I didn't mind Varg Vikernes being protraied as an absolute douche and loser. Because in my eyes he's exactly that - an absolute douche and loser, as much as I respect what he did as a musician - as a human he's really a dumpster fire. What I absolutely loved about that movie was the imagery and music, how that all came beautifully together and gives the watcher a glimpse of the absolutely unique atmosphere in those circles back then.
In the movies defense, I believe they tried to portray Euronymous as a “good guy” because the movie was portrayed through his perspective. Euronymous was pretty egotistical so of course he’s gonna portray himself as a good guy and not an asshole like how most of us see him now.
I'm not quite sure what you think is missing from the movie.. Euronymous WAS more interested in making the music than going out burning churches, ect.. The worst thing he actually did was send out death threats via mail.. He did close the shop due to the heat from the police, ect, ect... What is missing???
@@azrael666ethereal didnt he tell everyone to do those things? i think he just liked telling people what to do. Apparently he was more interested in DLS than the band prior to his death anyway
@@outis439-A The death threats were a real thing, and not mentioned in the movie. Him telling people what to do, I am not so sure. I know it's depicted in the movie that he implemented ideas to people, but I don't know how true that is..
Have you seen the Finnish-Norwegian metal comedy movie Heavy Trip (original title Hevi Reissu), Boris? Would be great to hear your opinion/reaction on it. To me it was so funny, I watched it several times and it is always funny. Regarding Lords of Chaos - I liked it overall, however, also didn´t like VV actor choice. Jonas Akerlund is going to have a talk with q&a in a few days in Reykjavik during local film festival, and I´m going to attend.
I really enjoy this film too, man. For me it actually blurs at least two distinct genres - the Rock Bio, and Classic Teensploitation, the latter being a type of film that isn't really explored very often any more. Overall I agree with most of the positives/negatives you already pointed out so I won't belabour those here beyond the biggest one which is my gripe that it should have been done in Norwegian with Norwegian actors. As you said, that would have shifted the entire tone and texture of the project dramatically. There also should have been more actual Black Metal in the soundtrack since that is what the focal point of the whole story is supposed to revolve around. At the end of the day though, there is much to enjoy about it and it's strangely both better and worse simultaneously than one might expect if that makes any sense. Definitely one I can rewatch at least once a year. Would love to see a different director attempt the story again one day. Time will tell. If you want to see some similar, and arguably much better films that both attempt to tackle the same sort of 'Teen Nihilism Run Amok' theme in very different ways, try The Rivers Edge from I think, 1985/86 with a young Keanu Reeves, and the classic 1979 Matt Dillon effort Over the Edge.
It's an okay movie but I agree it was a missed opportunity. I remember VV talking about how they cast a small hat to play him in the film (make of that what you will, but I'm sure that was intentional and also a reminder of who runs Hollywood and that Hollywood is used for more than entertainment).
When I first saw Lords of chaos, I thought it was a film that was made straight for Netflix. It had that weird teen comedy film definitely not a documentary about black metal 😂
It was recently I watched the movie again after seeing Mayhem live for the first time. The first time I watched it it was okay, but the second time was really different. You said that it made you fall in love with black metal again and I felt that exactly same thing. The first time was back in 2004 or so and nearly 20 years later it happened again. Objectively the movie is okay at best! Attila's son in the movie is cool as hell for sure.
I went to watch it in the cinema because I try to watch every big production that was made in Hungary. I actually like it and I heard somewhere that the actors learnt to play music and to look like they are playing from a Hungarian band called Bornholm. All the internal scenes were shot in Hungary and people can recognise some of the scenery which is fun sometimes. The Swedish midsommar , BBC's last kingdom,the latest terminator movie and many other stuff was made there .
I usually refer to “Lords of Chaos” as “The Spinal Tap of Black Metal” haha. Jokes aside though, it seems like we have a very similar view on this movie.
Well said & well reviewed. I love black metal and I have the movie on blu-ray and really like it. The biggest reason is the amazing detailed nostalgia and atmosphere. It is like a time machine. Kuddos to the filmmakers for that attention. Metal movies really are a rarity, especially black metal. So it's pretty good for what it is. Well said Boris... nailed it.
I do like the movie but I do really wish that it has the Similar Atmosphere like the icelandic movie “metalhead” lords of chaos should’ve been have a serious tone
I have never heard of mayhem up until I saw the lords of chaos movie. It was crazy to think that the film was based on real people.I instantly became more curious about the genre and stumbled upon your channel. I have been following ever since! Your life out in Norway is so much fun to watch thank you for sharing and for making the effort to show us around historic sights! Much love and gratitude all the way from California ❤ I can’t wait to plan a trip up there someday and catch one of your shows!
As a biopic I really like it and have watched it many times. It was never going to get everything right - Bohemian Rhapsody is an example of that and being a Queen fan, I enjoyed that movie too. The film, at the end of the day, was to give the viewer, regardless if they're familiar with the background or not, a sense of what it was like back then. And by the way, I had that copy of Kerrang that was featured in the film.
These comments may be an echo of comments I've posted elsewhere regarding this movie. Keep in mind that I've only been listening to this genre of music for about 5 years. When I was a teenager back in the '80s the heaviest bands we were into back then were Slayer, Megadeth and Metallica. I had heard of Bathory but I hadn't heard any of their music. I had buddies who listened to Venom but (forgive me my sacrelige) I don't like them. So I'm very much an outsider looking in on this scene. Like you I've seen the movie six or seven times, and despite all the criticism it gets on these forums, I genuinely like it. I do have however a few criticisms and they're more or less along the same lines as yours The acting: Rory Culkin as Euronymous is too cute and cuddly. Several interviews I've heard from people who knew the real Euronymous seem to indicate that he was a real a******. The movie tells the story from his point of view, so obviously we're not going to see the worst of him. Giving his character a romantic interest fits into this category, but more on that later Jack Kilmer who plays Dead in this movie is the son of Val Kilmer and has his Dad's good looks! The movie doesn't really show us the struggles of this character, although that should be no reflection on the actor, but rather the screenplay and ultimately the director's choices of what's going to included; however I feel like "casual" viewers of the movie (who aren't familiar with the story), will think based on the portrayal on screen that here we have a kid who got drawn too far into his stage persona and took it to the logical conclusion, when clearly there's a lot more to it than that. I agree with you that Emory Cohen's portrayal of Varg is completely wrong; again this is probably no fault of the actor's but rather choices made by the director and script writer. His character in this movie comes off as a total dumb f***. Listening to the prison interviews with Varg in "Until the Light Takes Us", one is immediately struck by how well-spoken he is. The guy may be a bigot, murderer, arsonist, anti-semite, all kinds of things, but one thing he's not is stupid. Point of view: clearly the storyline in the movie is being told from Eronymous' point of view, as his character is the narrator. The movie intends the audience to identify with this character and to accept him as to protagonist. So we're not going to see him being s***** to his band mates, antagonizing Dead or encouraging him to commit suicide, and of course he gets the girl, etc. All of this has the effect of humanizing a character who in real life by all accounts was a total misanthrope. After watching the movie, I downloaded the e-book and read it, thinking to find that it was probably written from Oystein's point of view, but it wasn't. Tone: You complain about the movie's almost comical treatment of the events being portrayed. I feel like that movie was intending for a dark humor, gallows humor as it sometimes called, but probably missed the mark. Would it have been better if the situations in this film were portrayed in a serious, gritty style? I'm not sure. You see, having seen "Until the Light Takes Us", watching the various interviews with Abbath and Fenriz, I don't really believe that black metal musicians maintain their intense, gloomy stage personas 24/7. In fact having seen most of your videos Boris, I would say they can be rather lighthearted when not performing. Other famous bloody/spooky rockers such as Alice Cooper and Ozzy Osbourne are also quite different when they're not on stage. And I think that's the point. The Lords of Chaos movie wants to portray the human side of these musicians. We see them partying, laughing, drinking, having fun, even as much as we see them committing the terrible crimes that got so much notoriety. What we don't see in the movie, and this I think is its biggest fail in terms of telling a coherent storyline, is the transition of these guys from rowdy teenagers to criminal miscreants. And that's probably because there isn't one. The Euronymous character in the movie is played as though he's basically a nice guy who projects a badass image, and ultimately becomes a victim of his own hype. But was he really? Like I said Boris, I'm an outsider looking in, I haven't met any of these people. But you have, so you tell me.
It was a decent movie. I think people watching it who don't know the actual history would enjoy it more than those of us familiar with the actual history. I got distracted by noticing the fiction they added.
To be fair aside from the people there no-body really knows what went down. And of those that were there they only know about the parts they were involved in and even then often give inconsistent details.
I loved it. I know a lot of purists despise it but I was never really into Black Metal when this tragedy happened. I'm 57, so I remember the news and reports of what was going on, but I was all Thrash and Death at that time. However, it brought back those times to me, the early 90s feeling that I lived through. I'd just left the military, was growing my hair, learning the drums and playing in a band with my other ex army mates, and that's what the film brought to me. The feeling of that time.
I’ve been waitin for u to talk about this movie! Me personally, I really liked it, but I understand that it’s just a movie based on the story of mayhem, and there’s actual documentaries to watch if u want the real story. but still, I enjoyed it as a movie
It's not super bad but ya always gotta remember that Hollywood has to also dramatize stuff also. I have watched it a few times . I like when Euronymous makes fun of Varg for having a Scorpions patch 😅. An yeah...they do portray Varg as a dork in the beginning 😄.
I can't say that this movie has become my favorite, but I've watched it several times anyway. Perhaps because it is the only feature film that tells about that time. And I would really like to immerse myself in the atmosphere of those events. The characters disappointed me the most. They seem to be caricatures of real people. It could have been more plausible. But since this is a feature film, not a documentary, then you should not expect more from it.
I'm 47, I grew up listening to black metal back in the day. I read the book lords of chaos years ago. I wouldn't disappoint myself watching hollywood trying to depict the black metal scene, total cringe.
It was fun to watch this movie with friend at Bergen in accommodation before visiting Fantoft during Beyond the gates. Most for it's atmosphere. Btw beer tastes better in Fantoft forest when you play Han som reiste in the background.
No...I own it so fuck the hatetz...kinda...I hate stuff, too...but the acting and all that was on point... regardless of One's take on the historical accuracy...and so fucking what...that ending pseudo-Euronymos quote...his mark is there and that's metal as all get out
Was checking this guy out at a register at work the other day who looked and acted literate exactly like varg in lords of chaos. To say I was offput is an understatement but it made me come back and watch again. The atmosphere in this movie makes it just so memorable
A highlight that I didn't expect to even be in the movie was The Host of Seraphim by Dead Can Dance. That song has been used in a bunch of films like Baraka and The Mist, it makes every scene so much more sombre and emotional. I'm so glad that Lisa Gerrard and Dead Can Dance gave the creators the rights to use that song. Musically, it's the perfect contrast against the black metal tracks while still sounding like it belongs in a film about black metal.
Have you seen the Icelandic movie “Metalhead (Málmhaus)”? I wish the director of that movie would make this story into film because that movie was amazing
I agree with the sentiment in this video. What I think was missing from the film was the fact that the music that Mayhem, Burzum, Darkthrone, Emperor et al were making in the early 90s was utterly astounding. Like the perfect storm of talent, will and an understanding of atmosphere. That’s far beyond the capability of simple edge-lord kids just wanting to rebel (also people seem to forget that Euronymous was 25 when he died and Varg was 20, so hardly children). The impact and quality of the music was secondary in the film but I think it needed to be on an equal footing to the drama. That might help non-metal people understand that it was in fact about more than simple teenage rebellion. It was about incredible art, too. Also the poor casting choices removed pretty much most of the evident charisma that Euro and Varg must have had back then. Neither strike me as leaders in the film. Culkin was a frightened child and the guy who played Varg was a chubby dork. Hard to replicate (the Motley Crüe movie failed massively in this aspect too). Early 90s Norwegian black metal isn’t just garage rock with murder.
I have just seen it once and thought Varg didn't give them any rights to use his music. But we do have Burzum. We got this strangely pitched version of Dunkelheit. Or am I wrong?
I agree that they could have used Norwegians and spoke in Norwegian. I had no idea Varg was Varg until he introduced himself since he like you said, was so unresembling of Varg at all! I thought his character was comical sometimes. The romance was not needed. Eh, I give it a 3/5. They should have hired you as a consultant!
I enjoyed it to be honest. It portrayed them as rebel kids who're into metal, as we all were (are), and not evil sons of Satan as some fans would like them to be. Some fans don't want their heroes to be normal musicians playing evil music, they have to be evil too, although the murders were definitely evil.
haven't seen the movie yet, but it seems like i have to watch it now after this video, is it on netflix? as a norwegian it it seems like the perfect movie to cringe laugh at for it's depiction of those times "teenagers". btw Boris, you beeing of atleast near meditereanian background, i recently bougth a 7" vinyl of caedes cruenta and cult of eibon, have you heard of them before? liked whats on the album but not sure where to go from there
In my opinion it’s a great movie but yeah the TikTok stuff is cringe but I don’t have TikTok so I don’t have to see it all the time and yeah some bits are cringe and unnecessary but still a great movie
Nice review Boris. Thank you. I have not watched it yet. Perhaps never as it seems to be sensationalized. When Black Metal started, I remember most of us musician rocker type guys were big fans Iron Maiden, Metallica and Slayer ect. Anything new and different was interesting. I listened to second wave Black Metal bands and was intrigued to hear more, but it wasn't even close to being as mean and tight as Slayer's masterpiece "Reign in Blood." Then as time went on, we learned that Slayer were influenced by punk and second wave of British Heavy Metal (and Venom who are British, influenced by punk and First Wave Black Metal.) Who knew? LOL. The third wave of Black Metal really became a different beast. A lot of the the goats and pentagrams became secondary to epic songs, scenic nature and intense melodies. Which Bathory perfected after Quorthon honed in on his Viking Metal style. Then Windir put out their Sognametal style. "Likferd" is my personal favorite. Lo and behold if it wasn't influenced by Varg/Burzum. So what is my point? It's all twisted up like an old fishing net. They are all part of the story of Black Metal like it or not.
I don't think it was that bad..this is probably the best the filmmakers could do to recreate Mayhem's story. There's a few cringe moments true, but it's ok! ..and there's a hell of a lot of Skarsgaard's in the movie industry..I can't even tell who's who there anymore.
I liked it for what it was: entertainment. I think it's a good start for those unaware of the story--they can do their own research to fill in the holes. The ones that hate it are probably just taking themselves and black metal way too seriously.
Honestly its a good movie..historicaly accurate or not it's an interesting take on the genre and actually one of the better metal movies to come out. If I wasnt already a fan I would've learned about some cool bands through it
The real thing is, this movie was probably closer to the truth than the people involved would want you to believe today... They were kids. They acted like kids. They just also happened to make amazing music while being kids.. As for the love interest, there was one. Her name was/is Ilsa Raluce Anghel.. Linked to Euronymous, Varg and later Mortiis (she ended up on a Vond album cover)..
I have a feeling it's fake. Where did she live anyway cause it's not like Varg lived in Oslo. Plus he said the first time he saw his girlfriend was during trial. Why would he lie? i think the woman is just exaggerating.
I love the first half of the movie, as a good bad movie. The basic af rock and roll docudrama structure/pacing/editing; the HD widescreen formatted Dead Alive scenes they superimposed on Faust's tube tv; the obviously fake church they burn, the cringey homoeroticism (if you're gonna do it do it well), and Varg's entire character, how AMERICAN everyone is! So many problems and little knit picks. It's laughably bad, and I do like to watch it and laugh and gas my ego for being aware of the many ways it's absolute shit. But, the gore is excellent, visceral. It feels incredibly real, cinema verite? The 70's style of grounded, gritty filmmaking. It is a shame the whole movie didn't feel like that--the tone you would Want for a Black Metal movie. It's also fun to watch and be aware of what they got right, or tried to slip in--like Varg recording the vocals for Burzum on an army headset's mic, or putting his foot on Euronymous' head to pull out the knife. Eh. It's watchable. If nothing else than as a fun hate watch or good bad movie.
I think they were definitely more than simply “crazy adolescent children”. Not just because Euronymous was 25 years old when killed and Varg was 20 (so actually well into adulthood) but because they created some of the greatest music ever made in metal, taking atmosphere and meaning far beyond mere garage rock. This is an aspect that I think the movie underplayed, leading to conclusions about the scene like the one you are drawing here.
@@JamesScarborough5290 I don't deny that they were creative. but mentally not quite there yet. In Germany, juvenile criminal law is applied up to the age of 21, depending on the case
I love BM, and i've never seen that movie, will not watch it, this is the closest I will get, thanks Boris .. You were so right, they should have filmed the movie full Norwegian language, and more of a drama/serious/philosophical approach
Well, maybe someday somebody will make a real movie about the Norwegian BM scene that is actually good. In the meantime I will just stick with the documentaries like Until The Light Takes Us, that and the actual live footage from back then, to give me that "first discovery" feeling. Someone who doesn't over romanticize it with Hollywood pretty boys for the Twilight crowd (similar to what they did with the Germs movie What We Do Is Secret, with teenage girls suddenly becoming big Germs fans because they are in love with Shane West). But also doesn't take the "everything sucked in the BM scene" attitude that Varg seems to exude constantly. Just show people who they really were.
I actually liked this movie a lot. I don't get all the hate. It was good considering the subject matter. Jack Kilmer was great as Dead. The suicide scene was so disturbingly great.
You know what would have been a great point of view for a movie like this? Have it directed by Larry Clark, the guy from Kids, Ken Park, etc. And with that tone, coupled with some Elephant and other angsty teenage killer movies, it would have been a great movie.
I totally agree with you. But one extra thing that makes the movie a little more cringe, is the way they styled Dead’s hair in the scene when he arrives in Norway. It just reminds me so much of my sisters hair because of the perfect curls 😬 it’s just so funny
I agree that the movie could and should have had a much darker, more serious tone, and it would have been a much better movie if that had been done. However, I also like the movie very much as it is, because metalheads just tend to be kind of goofy, and it's possible that the guys starting black metal were also kind of goofy as well as completely messed up (they were teenagers after all, they probably were kind of cringe at least once in a while). Also I think the weirdly comedic tone fits in a way to my personal discovery of black metal, when I was around 14 and cringe as hell myself. It makes sense somehow, in a strange way, to me at least.
I see it like a black comedy. But I have seen it several times also, it gives me the same touching atmosphere from 90-s. I kind of doesn`t like that VV, Euro and Dead was shown as a stupid teens, bcause they were quite seriouse musicians already at that time. Look at the old videos from Old Funeral or even Emperor (Embryonic maybe at that time) - it`s a very developed musicians even when they were 16 years old age. I don`t like a tendence to show Aarseth as a "good boy" and Varg som "bad boy", in general. It`s simply not true. Girlfriend is nonsence, agree.
the worst thing about it were the dollar store quality wigs… especially the one jack kilmer had. every time he was on screen it kept taking me out of the story. just why??? the costumes and make up were really well done so it was definitely a choice™
Yea I am no black metal but I'm sure I came here once before to announce that 😅. I do enjoy a couple of bands to be honest. However I am a Boris fan 😃🤘. 💯 Agree on what your saying about this movie.
I had several issues with this movie, but in the end- I've watched it a few times and will watch it again. And it is just a movie, people who are genuine fans (like me) already know the facts. So... just try to be entertained. At least "Hollywood" tried to make a film about metal 😂 Edit: also, I fuckin HATE tiktok 🤬
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@@borist. love the music bro if you’re ever looking for a Vokillist hit me up I have a very chameleon voice
The 80s stuff is so cull but what`s with the name - 6049 what the hell is this
hey! th pic of rory's brother in the video, thats not his cousin! Its his brother! Love your music and your vids!
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You listen to watain from sweden
In my opinion, I think Jonas wrote Varg like that in the movie to give the middle finger to the real Varg Vikernes. I love the actors who played Dead and Faust. Those two stood out to me more than the rest.
"A fat Jew" as Varg described him. I think Jonas liked that Emory was much bigger than Rory so it portrayed the cruel advantage Varg had over Oystein when he killed him.
@@bernstyleshe deserved it.
Emory was a terrible casting choice and single-handedly ruined any suspension of disbelief that might have been experienced. Nothing against the guy but Varg Vikernes he is not.
It's quite possible that Euronymous made Varg(Kristian) change his name to Varg(or whatever). Kristian means Christ follower.
@@containternet9290 lol really? What did they do?
tiktok just ruins everything
Tik tok ruins every subculture
TikTok turns everything to shit
If I'd been a teenage girl when this came out, I probably would've fangirled over it too.
That thought is super gross and cringe AF now, but teenagers Are horny and cringe. It's just what they do.
Edit: it's TiKTok now, but if it came out in the past the same shit would've spread, just on Tumblr or Live Journal instead.
TikTok should get banned already jesus fucking christ
@@aranadelabismo I hate tik tok
as in the begining. "Based on truth... lies... and what actually happened" (so the everyone has their own truth, it's not the same as what actualy happened) if you take that statement the you can enjoy this movie.
Whoever played Dead did a great job. His family gave him Dead's jeans as a thank you.
That boy was a Val Kilmers son.
Thats something,, i guess? Is that true?
@@josipamatic6085I can't believe Batman's son played Dead
The first time I saw the film I got goosebumps. Not because of the history (that was well known) but because of the very good atmosphere of that time. The clothing of the 90s metal scene and for me personally that was the coolest thing about the film! The actors are Great in what they did but i think the timtravelling aspect is the best in this Movie!
Agree!
I liked the scene where they party to Accept, the most authentic part of the film
Chocolate milk, but no cornflakes I think that’s one of the major pitfalls in the film
Even then BM nerds watching would complain about the cornfalkes being too soggy. For a bunch of people who claim to be edgy satansits we sure can be real drama queens over inconsequential details.
Rory is the brother of Macaulay not the cousin
And to think Dead’s actor is the son of Val Kilmer who also played a vocal frontman-Jim Morrison!
The Dead scene really bothered me a lot. When I was a teenager I was like "YEAH he killed himself cause the scene SUCKED!!!" but now at 40 its like.....damn. A little help and some medication and he might just be here still today. But like you said, you can definitely just "feel it" in that scene.
Also, the idea that he killed himself because the scene "sucked" was false and made up by Euronymous.
Wasnt the movie made in 2019
I hope we can all agree that Jonas's best work will be directing Candlemass's video Bewitched in which Dead appears in.
I mean, yeah, exactly what you said. The girlfriend was SO BORDERLINE unnecessary
I agree....no point in that.
it’s said that euro had a girlfriend so I’m guessing that’s why
My chemo is brutal, I do have drumsticks in my hospital room, I love death metal, ❤❤❤ my brain can’t process anything but somehow the lord still wires my body to lie in my hospital bed and remember Slayer etc. ❤❤❤❤❤
🤘🏻 keep up the fight don’t give in metal never dies🤘🏻
@@metalwitch7566 I’m about to yell SLAYER from my hospital bed
@@Arthur-ke9vz dude bro yell slayer, and heal your body and soul. I understand what you’re talking about when you speak of Jesus Jesus he’s good what people have made up about him is bullshit
embrace redemption embrace, Resurrection embrace life, and heal yourself .🤘🏻Slayer all the way there is no death, bro I know I speak out of experience don’t give in keep fighting to live. I would love to have you as a drummer. You have the metal spirit.
@@metalwitch7566 thank you, decades of touring have destroyed my body, I don’t see me leaving this hospital without a body bag, that’s ok, I’ve lived a fabulous journey. I’m basically a living skeleton, I’m ready to go see mom and dad in heaven. I’ll die as a metal head though, up the irons
@@Arthur-ke9vz bro no no no your body is not done Brother Fight ⚡️I wish I was close by.
I would go see you and give you everything I had to keep you going.
This is what I do.
I am from New York State. Hopefully you are as well and I will stop by.
Yes you feel the brute of this fucking life but you don’t have to stop living .
and if I can give you anything it is Life never ends my friend.
I went to heaven I’ve seen it. I experienced it. It’s beautiful. Yes, your mom is there waiting, but how about you are not done living yet how About that .
Life tore me the pieces and i wished on death and received it and found out. I was not supposed to be there and I came back to Life because of my Will you can do the same don’t ever stop living fight bro Fight⚡️ Call out give it everything you have it will Hear you ! I Do Fight Brother Fight
My most embarrassing moment was when I was with my ex, she lived just outside Bergen, Norway & I was over there for 1 month to see her as I live in the UK. Her daughter was being being dropped off from the babysitter & I had a few drinks, I made a comment about Varg's antics at Fantoft Stave as it was in the middle of January, Norway is COLD at that time of the year & I made a joke about warming the place up like Varg did. The lady gave me a weird look which I took to be she was shocked an English man knew about what happened, it turned out she used to work for TV 2 Direkte & it was her Husband who filmed the famous clip of Varg going into Court back in the 1990's.
They were also VERY Religious & were very strict Christian.
Before the week was over it had gone around the Town the English guy was into Black Metal & was a "fan" of Varg etc, I laughed so much. I have NO TIME for the views Varg has, I think he may be on the autism spectrum disorder to say the least BUT his music is amazing, Hvis lyset tar oss & Belus are amazing albums & are the best form of Norwegian Black Metal.
I'm even a fan of his 2nd Prison album Hliðskjálf which I love sssooo much.
Whatt that’s kinda funny lol, but yeah there’s definitely something going on with Varg but his music is pure art
@@kristellu
I agree 100%, Varg isn't well mentally but his music stands alone in the BMN scene.
I always laugh at people who aren't able to keep his views to one side & enjoy JUST the music. I welcome ANYONE who hates Mr Wolf to write anything equal to Inn i slottet fra droemmen.
As a piece of fiction I enjoyed it, and this is coming from someone who went through a black metal phase and learned everything I could about the scene. I've never been someone to get mad on behalf of other people. The way they portrayed Varg was hilarious.
FINALLY a lords of chaos review i agree with 100%
The movie really captures the cringe of teenagers trying to be edgy
So, exacly the way the boys from mayhem were 🤷♀️
No it's more like American cringe teenagers for an American/Hollywood audience... nothing Norwegian about that!
@@flonkplonk1649it is accurate to how Norwegian edge lords act. I’m Swedish and I know my Norwegian people.
@@flonkplonk1649 You forgot who Jonas is. It's not like movie was made by someone like Ben Stiller. It was always cringe (not part with murders/suicide ) but whole shtick about dress code and certain ridiculous rules set by some edgy overlord who was dealing with napoleon complex, were indeed cringe. Mayhem (besides Attila who don't give a fuck and knows when to be diplomatic) were always about the image of deranged and dangerous satanists . Or BM mafia like someone said (varg or fenriz, I dunno). Every documentary on this topic was done in a serious tone, nobody's story matched which resulted in constant debates and mystique which perfectly blended in their idea of cult band with fucked up background (it is). But who were these people who made Mayhem's cult status (euronymous, Dead & varg )? Basement dwelling nerds, all 3 of them. Jonas didn't mocked their music (you're all missing that) costume department was more than legit, having edgy nerdy teenagers and their bizzare antics depicted as cringe gatekeeping nerds is more accurate than official story. That didn't sit well with band and their fans because it made them look less dangerous or fucked up than they really were/are. If there's something that BM musicians and their fans hate, that's being ridiculed for their culture. Many bands who were hanging with Mayhem on daily basis or some foreign bands who met them while touring were mocking some of Mayhem's antics. Abbath, Satyricon, Deicide etc didn't find Mayhem's shenanigans scary or dangerous, they found it cringe. Music aside, crimes aside, everything besides that was cringe. Their early spandex era was cringe,their demo was hilariously cringe, Euronymous was cringe, and when someone as Abbath himself finds you cringe, then you are cringe. The movie is dark where it needed to be dark and it was funny where it needed to be funny. Since there is no 100% accurate truth about Mayhem's adventures in early 90's, I think that this movie could be the most accurate thing about this topic and that makes butthurt fans even more cringe. So, yeah, movie does have heavy dose of cringe because main characters were indeed cringe dudes like it or not.
That's what it all really was...! But it ended badly. Like many relationships between young people/schoolkids today.
0:57 Poserland actually made me laugh a whole lot more than it should have did. And the fact that this is truth makes it even worse..
It might work as like something entry level to black metal but if you're familiar with the story to any degree the movie gets pretty silly in parts.
Necro Butcher said it's a mockery and he hates kulkin .... I agree with necro..
Great to see you discuss this and give credit where credit is due! I agree that the girlfriend and the redemption of Euronymous were fiction and only there for plot purposes and otherwise uncalled for, and those were the weakest points of the movie. But the cringe moments you discussed were not a writing mistake but very intentional, meant to portray the protagonists as the edgy teens/early 20year-olds they were (and which most of us were at that age, let's face it). I enjoyed the dark comedy of this movie very much. Great writing (with the exceptions I mentioned) and excellent directing.
They did pel ohlin dirty. I wish he never would of joined mayhem
It would of been better if he stayed in Morbid
Great movie lots of good stuff some cringe but it’s all we got. Check out Morbid 1 movies.
A lot of people shit on the movie, but I've also found it to be quite good. I think it does a good job of highlighting the fact that these were just a bunch of kids who spiraled out of control. It sort of paints the picture of how a normie might have viewed the scene at the time. I also agree that this movie brought about a heavy dose of nostalgia.
ok but the Rory culkin edits are fire.
Honestly the story is hilarious. It is a pure gild of dark comedy. When I was explaining Norwegian Black Metal and the death of Euronymous, it was so absurd neither I nor he could stop laughing.
And he thought I was talking about some movie. And I am like, no, this stuff really happened
What do you think about the Icelandic movie metalhead ?
an actual good metal movie for once
Metalhead is the briliant movie this is what a metal movie should be.
it's good, but sometimes cringe-tastic.
@@Snarl616 some minor parts but overall much better youd have to agree
I understand when you criticise the overall tone - I thought it was trying for the same vibe as '24 Hour party People" - the Joy Division flick
But I didn't mind it.
It is interesting, as part of black metal history. There is a lot of fiction and interpretation. The scenes with Per and animals are fiction, including and confirmed by the real life history. A lot was exaggerated. The actors were very good. I'd like to see this movie remade in the future.
I loved it. I was exposed to black metal in the 90s from the metalheads in my art class and have been hooked ever since. I watched the movie for what it was and not comparing to what really happened and thats how people should watch it.
Gaahl at the end was a nice touch🤣
I believe the movie would have been better if they would have stuck more accurately to the actual history instead of fabricating some kind of "redemption arc" for Euronymous. It just don't believe Euronymous would have felt that way at this point of his life. He might eventually have if he lived to become older and more mature, but when he died he was still so young and radical.
I actually kinda liked the more comedic bits especially in the first part of the movie. Why? Because in my opinion it shows how freaking young they still were. How it all started out quite silly and funny and later on turned really, really dark. Or atleast I always interpreted it that way.
I didn't mind Varg Vikernes being protraied as an absolute douche and loser. Because in my eyes he's exactly that - an absolute douche and loser, as much as I respect what he did as a musician - as a human he's really a dumpster fire.
What I absolutely loved about that movie was the imagery and music, how that all came beautifully together and gives the watcher a glimpse of the absolutely unique atmosphere in those circles back then.
In the movies defense, I believe they tried to portray Euronymous as a “good guy” because the movie was portrayed through his perspective. Euronymous was pretty egotistical so of course he’s gonna portray himself as a good guy and not an asshole like how most of us see him now.
I'm not quite sure what you think is missing from the movie.. Euronymous WAS more interested in making the music than going out burning churches, ect.. The worst thing he actually did was send out death threats via mail.. He did close the shop due to the heat from the police, ect, ect... What is missing???
@@azrael666ethereal didnt he tell everyone to do those things? i think he just liked telling people what to do. Apparently he was more interested in DLS than the band prior to his death anyway
@@outis439-A The death threats were a real thing, and not mentioned in the movie. Him telling people what to do, I am not so sure. I know it's depicted in the movie that he implemented ideas to people, but I don't know how true that is..
@@azrael666ethereal I believe it is. Hellhammer said he’d be like ‘okay go burn that church and then tell me how it went’.
Aww i loved it ,its a fun wee movie to get folk interested
Have you seen the Finnish-Norwegian metal comedy movie Heavy Trip (original title Hevi Reissu), Boris? Would be great to hear your opinion/reaction on it. To me it was so funny, I watched it several times and it is always funny.
Regarding Lords of Chaos - I liked it overall, however, also didn´t like VV actor choice. Jonas Akerlund is going to have a talk with q&a in a few days in Reykjavik during local film festival, and I´m going to attend.
I really enjoy this film too, man. For me it actually blurs at least two distinct genres - the Rock Bio, and Classic Teensploitation, the latter being a type of film that isn't really explored very often any more. Overall I agree with most of the positives/negatives you already pointed out so I won't belabour those here beyond the biggest one which is my gripe that it should have been done in Norwegian with Norwegian actors. As you said, that would have shifted the entire tone and texture of the project dramatically. There also should have been more actual Black Metal in the soundtrack since that is what the focal point of the whole story is supposed to revolve around. At the end of the day though, there is much to enjoy about it and it's strangely both better and worse simultaneously than one might expect if that makes any sense. Definitely one I can rewatch at least once a year. Would love to see a different director attempt the story again one day. Time will tell.
If you want to see some similar, and arguably much better films that both attempt to tackle the same sort of 'Teen Nihilism Run Amok' theme in very different ways, try The Rivers Edge from I think, 1985/86 with a young Keanu Reeves, and the classic 1979 Matt Dillon effort Over the Edge.
Yea dude you hit the nail on the head with this video. I’m glad I’m not the only one who can get through the bad parts to get to the good stuff.
It's an okay movie but I agree it was a missed opportunity. I remember VV talking about how they cast a small hat to play him in the film (make of that what you will, but I'm sure that was intentional and also a reminder of who runs Hollywood and that Hollywood is used for more than entertainment).
It's not a conspiracy. It's funny. A jab at Varg himself.
Enjoy all your video's thanks BorisT also hi to Susie
When I first saw Lords of chaos, I thought it was a film that was made straight for Netflix. It had that weird teen comedy film definitely not a documentary about black metal 😂
Great video.
A video of Heavy Trip would also be nice, considering they announced a sequel🤔
Im studying english with your video! Im enjoying studying because you talk my favorite black metal!! Thanks!!
It was recently I watched the movie again after seeing Mayhem live for the first time. The first time I watched it it was okay, but the second time was really different. You said that it made you fall in love with black metal again and I felt that exactly same thing. The first time was back in 2004 or so and nearly 20 years later it happened again. Objectively the movie is okay at best! Attila's son in the movie is cool as hell for sure.
I went to watch it in the cinema because I try to watch every big production that was made in Hungary. I actually like it and I heard somewhere that the actors learnt to play music and to look like they are playing from a Hungarian band called Bornholm. All the internal scenes were shot in Hungary and people can recognise some of the scenery which is fun sometimes.
The Swedish midsommar , BBC's last kingdom,the latest terminator movie and many other stuff was made there .
I usually refer to “Lords of Chaos” as “The Spinal Tap of Black Metal” haha.
Jokes aside though, it seems like we have a very similar view on this movie.
Well said & well reviewed. I love black metal and I have the movie on blu-ray and really like it. The biggest reason is the amazing detailed nostalgia and atmosphere. It is like a time machine. Kuddos to the filmmakers for that attention. Metal movies really are a rarity, especially black metal. So it's pretty good for what it is. Well said Boris... nailed it.
I do like the movie but I do really wish that it has the Similar Atmosphere like the icelandic movie “metalhead” lords of chaos should’ve been have a serious tone
I have never heard of mayhem up until I saw the lords of chaos movie. It was crazy to think that the film was based on real people.I instantly became more curious about the genre and stumbled upon your channel. I have been following ever since! Your life out in Norway is so much fun to watch thank you for sharing and for making the effort to show us around historic sights! Much love and gratitude all the way from California ❤ I can’t wait to plan a trip up there someday and catch one of your shows!
As a biopic I really like it and have watched it many times. It was never going to get everything right - Bohemian Rhapsody is an example of that and being a Queen fan, I enjoyed that movie too. The film, at the end of the day, was to give the viewer, regardless if they're familiar with the background or not, a sense of what it was like back then. And by the way, I had that copy of Kerrang that was featured in the film.
Boooooris, i started listening to tryglav recently and you music bops!. great video btw !.
Read necro butchers book very insightful
These comments may be an echo of comments I've posted elsewhere regarding this movie. Keep in mind that I've only been listening to this genre of music for about 5 years. When I was a teenager back in the '80s the heaviest bands we were into back then were Slayer, Megadeth and Metallica. I had heard of Bathory but I hadn't heard any of their music. I had buddies who listened to Venom but (forgive me my sacrelige) I don't like them. So I'm very much an outsider looking in on this scene.
Like you I've seen the movie six or seven times, and despite all the criticism it gets on these forums, I genuinely like it. I do have however a few criticisms and they're more or less along the same lines as yours
The acting: Rory Culkin as Euronymous is too cute and cuddly. Several interviews I've heard from people who knew the real Euronymous seem to indicate that he was a real a******. The movie tells the story from his point of view, so obviously we're not going to see the worst of him. Giving his character a romantic interest fits into this category, but more on that later
Jack Kilmer who plays Dead in this movie is the son of Val Kilmer and has his Dad's good looks! The movie doesn't really show us the struggles of this character, although that should be no reflection on the actor, but rather the screenplay and ultimately the director's choices of what's going to included; however I feel like "casual" viewers of the movie (who aren't familiar with the story), will think based on the portrayal on screen that here we have a kid who got drawn too far into his stage persona and took it to the logical conclusion, when clearly there's a lot more to it than that.
I agree with you that Emory Cohen's portrayal of Varg is completely wrong; again this is probably no fault of the actor's but rather choices made by the director and script writer. His character in this movie comes off as a total dumb f***. Listening to the prison interviews with Varg in "Until the Light Takes Us", one is immediately struck by how well-spoken he is. The guy may be a bigot, murderer, arsonist, anti-semite, all kinds of things, but one thing he's not is stupid.
Point of view: clearly the storyline in the movie is being told from Eronymous' point of view, as his character is the narrator. The movie intends the audience to identify with this character and to accept him as to protagonist. So we're not going to see him being s***** to his band mates, antagonizing Dead or encouraging him to commit suicide, and of course he gets the girl, etc. All of this has the effect of humanizing a character who in real life by all accounts was a total misanthrope. After watching the movie, I downloaded the e-book and read it, thinking to find that it was probably written from Oystein's point of view, but it wasn't.
Tone: You complain about the movie's almost comical treatment of the events being portrayed. I feel like that movie was intending for a dark humor, gallows humor as it sometimes called, but probably missed the mark. Would it have been better if the situations in this film were portrayed in a serious, gritty style? I'm not sure.
You see, having seen "Until the Light Takes Us", watching the various interviews with Abbath and Fenriz, I don't really believe that black metal musicians maintain their intense, gloomy stage personas 24/7. In fact having seen most of your videos Boris, I would say they can be rather lighthearted when not performing. Other famous bloody/spooky rockers such as Alice Cooper and Ozzy Osbourne are also quite different when they're not on stage. And I think that's the point. The Lords of Chaos movie wants to portray the human side of these musicians. We see them partying, laughing, drinking, having fun, even as much as we see them committing the terrible crimes that got so much notoriety.
What we don't see in the movie, and this I think is its biggest fail in terms of telling a coherent storyline, is the transition of these guys from rowdy teenagers to criminal miscreants. And that's probably because there isn't one. The Euronymous character in the movie is played as though he's basically a nice guy who projects a badass image, and ultimately becomes a victim of his own hype. But was he really? Like I said Boris, I'm an outsider looking in, I haven't met any of these people. But you have, so you tell me.
Who the fuck you think you are?
It was a decent movie. I think people watching it who don't know the actual history would enjoy it more than those of us familiar with the actual history. I got distracted by noticing the fiction they added.
To be fair aside from the people there no-body really knows what went down. And of those that were there they only know about the parts they were involved in and even then often give inconsistent details.
i saw it w/o knowing anything about blk metal or mayhem and i thought it was cool
Boris! You know I am a super fan! Thank you for re-reacting! You have a new accent! Norway has a part in that?
no idea 😂
i'm mixing all accents at this point lol
I loved it.
I know a lot of purists despise it but I was never really into Black Metal when this tragedy happened. I'm 57, so I remember the news and reports of what was going on, but I was all Thrash and Death at that time.
However, it brought back those times to me, the early 90s feeling that I lived through. I'd just left the military, was growing my hair, learning the drums and playing in a band with my other ex army mates, and that's what the film brought to me. The feeling of that time.
Boris, I'm like you, Ive watched it & gave it to my friend & she really surprised me.? She's 25yr old & enjoyed it so much I haven't got back, YET.?
The movie was perfectly watchable. Was it accurate? Nope. Did it need to be accurate? Nope.
I did enjoy it, i think the production was suprisingly high quality and the gore parts brought some grim athmosphere
I’ve been waitin for u to talk about this movie! Me personally, I really liked it, but I understand that it’s just a movie based on the story of mayhem, and there’s actual documentaries to watch if u want the real story. but still, I enjoyed it as a movie
It's not super bad but ya always gotta remember that Hollywood has to also dramatize stuff also. I have watched it a few times . I like when Euronymous makes fun of Varg for having a Scorpions patch 😅. An yeah...they do portray Varg as a dork in the beginning 😄.
I would be very happy if there was a full version of that burzum track
it sounds like Silencer which I love
I can't say that this movie has become my favorite, but I've watched it several times anyway. Perhaps because it is the only feature film that tells about that time. And I would really like to immerse myself in the atmosphere of those events. The characters disappointed me the most. They seem to be caricatures of real people. It could have been more plausible. But since this is a feature film, not a documentary, then you should not expect more from it.
I'm not a huge Black metal listener but I find the scene around it fascinating. I enjoyed this movie, caught it on Tubi
I'm 47, I grew up listening to black metal back in the day. I read the book lords of chaos years ago. I wouldn't disappoint myself watching hollywood trying to depict the black metal scene, total cringe.
Boris... The Guitar on your wall is it firebird shape Im looking for a bass like it
It was fun to watch this movie with friend at Bergen in accommodation before visiting Fantoft during Beyond the gates. Most for it's atmosphere. Btw beer tastes better in Fantoft forest when you play Han som reiste in the background.
No...I own it so fuck the hatetz...kinda...I hate stuff, too...but the acting and all that was on point... regardless of One's take on the historical accuracy...and so fucking what...that ending pseudo-Euronymos quote...his mark is there and that's metal as all get out
Was checking this guy out at a register at work the other day who looked and acted literate exactly like varg in lords of chaos. To say I was offput is an understatement but it made me come back and watch again. The atmosphere in this movie makes it just so memorable
A highlight that I didn't expect to even be in the movie was The Host of Seraphim by Dead Can Dance. That song has been used in a bunch of films like Baraka and The Mist, it makes every scene so much more sombre and emotional. I'm so glad that Lisa Gerrard and Dead Can Dance gave the creators the rights to use that song. Musically, it's the perfect contrast against the black metal tracks while still sounding like it belongs in a film about black metal.
Have you seen the Icelandic movie “Metalhead (Málmhaus)”? I wish the director of that movie would make this story into film because that movie was amazing
2:49 that’s exactly what I meant 👍😊
I agree with the sentiment in this video. What I think was missing from the film was the fact that the music that Mayhem, Burzum, Darkthrone, Emperor et al were making in the early 90s was utterly astounding. Like the perfect storm of talent, will and an understanding of atmosphere. That’s far beyond the capability of simple edge-lord kids just wanting to rebel (also people seem to forget that Euronymous was 25 when he died and Varg was 20, so hardly children). The impact and quality of the music was secondary in the film but I think it needed to be on an equal footing to the drama. That might help non-metal people understand that it was in fact about more than simple teenage rebellion. It was about incredible art, too. Also the poor casting choices removed pretty much most of the evident charisma that Euro and Varg must have had back then. Neither strike me as leaders in the film. Culkin was a frightened child and the guy who played Varg was a chubby dork. Hard to replicate (the Motley Crüe movie failed massively in this aspect too). Early 90s Norwegian black metal isn’t just garage rock with murder.
I have just seen it once and thought Varg didn't give them any rights to use his music.
But we do have Burzum. We got this strangely pitched version of Dunkelheit.
Or am I wrong?
I agree that they could have used Norwegians and spoke in Norwegian. I had no idea Varg was Varg until he introduced himself since he like you said, was so unresembling of Varg at all! I thought his character was comical sometimes. The romance was not needed. Eh, I give it a 3/5. They should have hired you as a consultant!
I have been waiting to hear your opinion about this movie. 😊
I enjoyed it to be honest. It portrayed them as rebel kids who're into metal, as we all were (are), and not evil sons of Satan as some fans would like them to be. Some fans don't want their heroes to be normal musicians playing evil music, they have to be evil too, although the murders were definitely evil.
haven't seen the movie yet, but it seems like i have to watch it now after this video, is it on netflix? as a norwegian it it seems like the perfect movie to cringe laugh at for it's depiction of those times "teenagers". btw Boris, you beeing of atleast near meditereanian background, i recently bougth a 7" vinyl of caedes cruenta and cult of eibon, have you heard of them before? liked whats on the album but not sure where to go from there
Jonas is OG and he made pretty accurate and fun MOVIE not DOCUMENTARY !
In my opinion it’s a great movie but yeah the TikTok stuff is cringe but I don’t have TikTok so I don’t have to see it all the time and yeah some bits are cringe and unnecessary but still a great movie
Nice review Boris. Thank you. I have not watched it yet. Perhaps never as it seems to be sensationalized. When Black Metal started, I remember most of us musician rocker type guys were big fans Iron Maiden, Metallica and Slayer ect. Anything new and different was interesting. I listened to second wave Black Metal bands and was intrigued to hear more, but it wasn't even close to being as mean and tight as Slayer's masterpiece "Reign in Blood." Then as time went on, we learned that Slayer were influenced by punk and second wave of British Heavy Metal (and Venom who are British, influenced by punk and First Wave Black Metal.) Who knew? LOL. The third wave of Black Metal really became a different beast. A lot of the the goats and pentagrams became secondary to epic songs, scenic nature and intense melodies. Which Bathory perfected after Quorthon honed in on his Viking Metal style. Then Windir put out their Sognametal style. "Likferd" is my personal favorite. Lo and behold if it wasn't influenced by Varg/Burzum. So what is my point? It's all twisted up like an old fishing net. They are all part of the story of Black Metal like it or not.
hahahhhhahah! you had all my points brooooo
I don't think it was that bad..this is probably the best the filmmakers could do to recreate Mayhem's story. There's a few cringe moments true, but it's ok!
..and there's a hell of a lot of Skarsgaard's in the movie industry..I can't even tell who's who there anymore.
I liked it for what it was: entertainment. I think it's a good start for those unaware of the story--they can do their own research to fill in the holes. The ones that hate it are probably just taking themselves and black metal way too seriously.
Honestly its a good movie..historicaly accurate or not it's an interesting take on the genre and actually one of the better metal movies to come out. If I wasnt already a fan I would've learned about some cool bands through it
The real thing is, this movie was probably closer to the truth than the people involved would want you to believe today... They were kids. They acted like kids. They just also happened to make amazing music while being kids.. As for the love interest, there was one. Her name was/is Ilsa Raluce Anghel.. Linked to Euronymous, Varg and later Mortiis (she ended up on a Vond album cover)..
I have a feeling it's fake. Where did she live anyway cause it's not like Varg lived in Oslo. Plus he said the first time he saw his girlfriend was during trial. Why would he lie? i think the woman is just exaggerating.
I love the first half of the movie, as a good bad movie.
The basic af rock and roll docudrama structure/pacing/editing; the HD widescreen formatted Dead Alive scenes they superimposed on Faust's tube tv; the obviously fake church they burn, the cringey homoeroticism (if you're gonna do it do it well), and Varg's entire character, how AMERICAN everyone is! So many problems and little knit picks.
It's laughably bad, and I do like to watch it and laugh and gas my ego for being aware of the many ways it's absolute shit.
But, the gore is excellent, visceral. It feels incredibly real, cinema verite? The 70's style of grounded, gritty filmmaking. It is a shame the whole movie didn't feel like that--the tone you would Want for a Black Metal movie.
It's also fun to watch and be aware of what they got right, or tried to slip in--like Varg recording the vocals for Burzum on an army headset's mic, or putting his foot on Euronymous' head to pull out the knife.
Eh. It's watchable. If nothing else than as a fun hate watch or good bad movie.
im excited for heavy trip 2 this year
Certainly some scenes were hilarious. But most people have forgotten that they were really just crazy adolescent children and nothing more.😅
bingo!
I think they were definitely more than simply “crazy adolescent children”. Not just because Euronymous was 25 years old when killed and Varg was 20 (so actually well into adulthood) but because they created some of the greatest music ever made in metal, taking atmosphere and meaning far beyond mere garage rock. This is an aspect that I think the movie underplayed, leading to conclusions about the scene like the one you are drawing here.
@@JamesScarborough5290 I don't deny that they were creative. but mentally not quite there yet. In Germany, juvenile criminal law is applied up to the age of 21, depending on the case
True!!!
I love BM, and i've never seen that movie, will not watch it, this is the closest I will get, thanks Boris .. You were so right, they should have filmed the movie full Norwegian language, and more of a drama/serious/philosophical approach
Well, maybe someday somebody will make a real movie about the Norwegian BM scene that is actually good. In the meantime I will just stick with the documentaries like Until The Light Takes Us, that and the actual live footage from back then, to give me that "first discovery" feeling. Someone who doesn't over romanticize it with Hollywood pretty boys for the Twilight crowd (similar to what they did with the Germs movie What We Do Is Secret, with teenage girls suddenly becoming big Germs fans because they are in love with Shane West). But also doesn't take the "everything sucked in the BM scene" attitude that Varg seems to exude constantly. Just show people who they really were.
0:22 That is blasphemy.
I go back to this movie for the gore and for the "so bad it's good" dialogue, so basically every sentence Varg says lol
I actually liked this movie a lot. I don't get all the hate. It was good considering the subject matter. Jack Kilmer was great as Dead. The suicide scene was so disturbingly great.
You know what would have been a great point of view for a movie like this? Have it directed by Larry Clark, the guy from Kids, Ken Park, etc. And with that tone, coupled with some Elephant and other angsty teenage killer movies, it would have been a great movie.
I totally agree with you. But one extra thing that makes the movie a little more cringe, is the way they styled Dead’s hair in the scene when he arrives in Norway. It just reminds me so much of my sisters hair because of the perfect curls 😬 it’s just so funny
I agree that the movie could and should have had a much darker, more serious tone, and it would have been a much better movie if that had been done. However, I also like the movie very much as it is, because metalheads just tend to be kind of goofy, and it's possible that the guys starting black metal were also kind of goofy as well as completely messed up (they were teenagers after all, they probably were kind of cringe at least once in a while). Also I think the weirdly comedic tone fits in a way to my personal discovery of black metal, when I was around 14 and cringe as hell myself. It makes sense somehow, in a strange way, to me at least.
Good video brother!
I see it like a black comedy. But I have seen it several times also, it gives me the same touching atmosphere from 90-s. I kind of doesn`t like that VV, Euro and Dead was shown as a stupid teens, bcause they were quite seriouse musicians already at that time. Look at the old videos from Old Funeral or even Emperor (Embryonic maybe at that time) - it`s a very developed musicians even when they were 16 years old age.
I don`t like a tendence to show Aarseth as a "good boy" and Varg som "bad boy", in general. It`s simply not true. Girlfriend is nonsence, agree.
the worst thing about it were the dollar store quality wigs… especially the one jack kilmer had. every time he was on screen it kept taking me out of the story. just why??? the costumes and make up were really well done so it was definitely a choice™
Bought the book when it came out. Can you still get it? It was an okay written book, but not something that I needed to read more than once.
Yea I am no black metal but I'm sure I came here once before to announce that 😅. I do enjoy a couple of bands to be honest. However I am a Boris fan 😃🤘. 💯 Agree on what your saying about this movie.
I had several issues with this movie, but in the end- I've watched it a few times and will watch it again. And it is just a movie, people who are genuine fans (like me) already know the facts. So... just try to be entertained. At least "Hollywood" tried to make a film about metal 😂
Edit: also, I fuckin HATE tiktok 🤬