I agree that paper's poor, either way not an expert on Norway's judicial system but if I heard it right its an appeal conviction so there's not gonna be lots of details in it because that was the judge's job at the inferior tribunal, Also have to mention one legal aspect, Vikernes never denied killing Euronymous, his strategy was to argue self defense, well in that case its his job, not the prosecutors, to prove that, if it was opposite anyone would kill and say "self defense" and get away with murder, but guess what he wasnt able to convince anyone (judge, police, members of the court) that it really was a life or death situation due to the victim's own actions, what is clear and no one disputes is that Vikernes and a third party drove from Bergen to Oslo in the middle of the night, armed with at least one knife, and confronted a much smaller man with the poor excuse of signing a contract, it doesnt make any sense to do all that just to get the victim out of your life as Varg claims, my guess is that once inside Euronymous apartment he just tried to kill him, or at least provoked him into a fight and produce the perfect excuse to kill, but he didnt expect to have most of the fight outside the apartment, its really foolish to pretend to claim self defense from a running man in panic mode, Even according to Vikernes, Snorre's testimony was against him because he was a "mental" case, thats a poor reason to take credit away from a witness. Police and prosecutor knew they had the guy, and his defense strategy didnt work, how to convince anyone with braincells that you were fighting for your life when you have a much smaller running victim in underwear, trying to escape in panic and screaming for help. Thinking of Euronymous really wanting to kill Vikernes is contradictory to any allegation that he attacked first that night, it doesnt match his supposed plans of using a stun gun, shotgun or any similar means and torture Vikernes to death, its even laughable at this point of events
Thanks to Googoo, finding the official documentation of the court's assessment of Vikernes is like trying to push shit up a hill with a fork. But just listening to the idiot rant and rave shows that he is intellectually impaired in some manner and is a classic example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
You are right that appeals judgments are usually very short compared to first instance (like a district court) judgments. However, in some jurisdictions the court of appeal is first instance for some cases. This is also how it was with murder in Norway at the time. But perhaps that is why the judgment is so bad. The court of appeal is used to only having to comment on an existing judgment. Now they had to do it from scratch; take upp all evidence and write it all themselves.
One could speculate that as they saw the emergence of the black metal movement they panicked and felt a need to bring it to a halt as soon and forcefully as possible. Varg was perceived as the leader so they made an example of him. I think they were intent on jailing him no matter what the evidence looked like.
@@StareIntoTheSun In all fairness, if Varg was your first impression of black metal, you would want to put a stop to it as best you can, too. But popheads tried to erase doom metal in the 1980s with glam etc, so one should just dismiss it as typical normie behaviour. The idea that the people they shit on might have different ideas about how the world should work to them is not something they are capable of understanding.
Do we really have reasons to be disappointed? 1. There was no doubt about Vikernes' guilt for the murder (even he never denied it), so he was rightly convicted, and the rest is just a matter of motive. 2. The court repeatedly emphasized how brutally this murder was carried out and how it was planned in advance, which shows no signs of the alleged self-defense. 3. Ultimately, there was no concrete evidence that Vikernes' life was genuinely threatened, and Vikernes' actions bore the marks of premeditation rather than someone merely trying to defend himself. So it’s hard to be surprised that the court did not mitigate the sentence. I am not disappointed at all. He brutally killed a guy that he hated and so received an adequate conviction.
She was born (Varg was 19-20) after all albums ware recorder but not released, except ''Anti-black metal'' album filosofem. Burzum 1992 album was already released by Euro. She was born probably very close to helvete shutdown, that Vargs promo/interview or De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas rehearsals and recording, late 1992 or early 1993. And then was a big conflict between him and Euro after all bs. He wanted to move on with burzum project and unreleased albums, but Euro was playing with him. Dont forget he was 5 years older than Varg, both with massive egos. Now if you look Varg situation, new born child; success from music that puts bread on the table; respect from others,... We can see why he was not taking shit from him. Euro was probably very surprised when varg showed up and than panicked when it became physical. He realised, shit he ain't playing. Now, Det som engang var was released in same month after death of Euro. Hvis lyset tar oss, month before trial. And, De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas same month after trial. He recorded Dauði Baldrs in prison later that year. What a strong drive and promotion skills he had, even from mayhem and darkthrone. This is the end and ''new'' start of BM. Filosofem and De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas are the magnum opus of that era, both released when he was in prison. Thanks to OG album A Blaze in the Northern Sky, first Burzum album, early Thorns recordings and mayhem concerts (specially hell hammers drumming and Dead vocals). The end. I don't know, but there is something to think about. Does anyone know that woman that he had Rebekka with? She probably has something to say about those days.
I find Necrobutcher's words the most compelling. He was planning on killing Euronymous, too. And although I do not have good sources for this part, Euronymous was pissing so many people off that it really was a case of Varg getting to him first. Euronymous took photos of a man's corpse fresh at the scene of a suicide, made jewellery with pieces of the man's skull, and used the photos for album covers. Nobody deserves to be murdered, but this is a clear case of a man screaming "kill me" at everyone around him.
Thank you for this video anzd the reading of the judgment. Varg has said in his book that he asked his lawyer well what about this or that, his lawyer told him we will bring it up later and he never did. Like you have said they wanted to teach this man a lesson no matter if he burnt churches or whatever evidence he may have for self defense they wanted to throw the book at him
Yeah, in a normal judgment you would read something like "the defendant has admitted to stabbing the victim but claimed self defense..." This judgment mentions ZERO points raised by the defense. Could very well be like Varg says that his lawyer did the least possible during the trial. Some defense attorneys are like that, they don't care about the case and just want to go home with a paycheck.
@@StareIntoTheSun But the evidence is irrefutable: the 400+ kilometers he traveled from Bergen to Oslo, the weapons (knives) he was carrying, and the pre-established alibi he had. He had every intention of killing Euronymous, in addition to the burning of churches and the previous attack on the leader of the band Therion. Varg is a criminal here, there or in China, and any lawyer in his right mind would know that this is a lost case.
@@JorgeNayaMy position is that it very well could have been manslaughter, maybe even self defense until Euronymous started fleeing. After that it was clearly not self defense, altough you could still argue for putative self defense, even if it's a bit of a stretch. But that is a more complex legal regulation. Nevertheless a GOOD attorney should argue every possible angle and I suspect Varg's attorney did the least possible to defend him in this case. I would like to see the other testimonies to see if the claim that this was planned holds up. Also would like to see what they found in the apartment. Without a clear presentation of the evidence I am not convinced this judgment is correct. A conviction for manslaughter would have rendered a much shorter prison sentence.
I agree with you,there's almost no discussion of evidence. There's logical reasoning as to why they took certain actions, but no evidence is mentioned, as to explain why they come to those conclusions.
The judgement made it sound like Varg's friends testified against him regarding planning it ahead of time. Without a transcript of the testimonies it's difficult to say if Varg is lying or if the court misrepresented the evidence.
A very extensive and in depth explanation and investigation. I would like to know myself (of Therion and Christopher) Was the relitive worldwide success of the Therion album "...Of Darkness" somewhat the truer motivation for Jealously and Hatred towards the band...more so than their lyrical content. Obviously Peaceville/Deaf Recorda at the time were alot more widely available and in Magazines; rather than in just Fanzines. Maybe. Who knows? Would be interesting to hear more of Tony Sarka stories around these times. Unfortunately can only be anecdotal accounts. Was well worth watching. Regards Australia 🇦🇺
Thank you. One can only speculate about the true origin of the hate towards Therion. Maybe there was a hint of jealosy, but I don't think that was the main thing. I will probably do a video about the infamous interview Euronymous gave in the 90s, where he makes the threat I talk about in the other video. Will probably also make a video about when Tony Särkkä's crew stabbed an old man in the throat. All in due time.
I'm honestly surprised that Varg still claims that his life was in threat while describing how he killed a man who was basically screaming for help. That doesn't that everything Varg says it's a lie, but it's still something that at least for me, makes no sense, like how do you defense yourself from someone who can't even defend himself?
Yeah my thoughts exaxtly. IF your goal was to defend yourself and your opponent is about to flee his own apartment...How much sense does it make to follow and continue stabbing him to death. The only explanation i could think of was something like a murderous frenzy that kicks in in an extreme situation like that where your instincts tell you to bring it to an end so you're not getting killed yourself. But out of a purely defensive situation i still think that's not very likely. I think it's more likely that he planned the killing or at least took in consideration to kill him and just did it when Euronymous gave him the slightest reason . Came here to learn about that stuff but as the video shows...very disappointing judgement.
@@StareIntoTheSun I might be biased but for me it's still difficult to imagine it started as a self defense situation. Euronymous was way physically smaller than Varg, so I don't think it would've been much of a threat unless he was with some kind of weapon on his hands (which we sadly don't know because the judgment doesn't say anything)
@@qtnshy Euronymous was unarmed the entire time. It is likely Euronymous attacked Varg beacause Varg showed up at his home in the middle of the night, being aggressive and hostile against him. We don't even know if Euronymous started the fight to begin with, there are no witnesses, only Varg's words.
One new element for me is that Snorre's involvement, at least according to the court was more active than previously stated by Varg if he was in fact armed himself and involved in preliminary discussions about what should or would happen to Aarseth. Other than that, no real answers from the state.
Yes, I would like to know exactly what kind of story Snorre gave about how they planned the murder, armed themselves and travelled with the intent to kill Öystein. Currently however it is not possible to know whether he said something like that or if that is just the court's impression.
Great video! As with many things, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Suffice to say, everything went a bit too far in the black metal scene at the time.
So as far as the murder goes, they apparently had a bloody handprint or fingerprint as well as the signed contracts with his name putting him at the scene. Then with the testimony from two people claiming that they assisted in creating an alibi, that's enough evidence to convict someone of first-degree murder. Which it so obviously was. The church burning is a different story. But ultimately 16 years in prison for a senseless, brutal murder is very lenient, and he deserved it Are people able to access more information from this case? Is this all you could find? Where did you even find it?
How does sentencing work in Norway? It sounds like the prosecutor wanted to put him away for 10 years, but I'm not sure if its only for the murder or for all charges.
I think that part is about preventive detention, which they have in norway, where they reevaluate how dangerous you are after X amount of years and decide if you should still be imprisoned. Breivik was sentenced in that way. However as you can see Varg "only" got 21 years, which is still fairly harsh for a nordic sentence at the time (in sweden for comparison 10 years was the standard punishment for many murder cases). Bård Eithun who murdered a man and burned down Holmenkollen received 14 years. So these countries are similar in their sentencing, or atleast were at the time.
Fun fact; in prison, as Norwegian prisons go, they didn't give him a guitar to play in his time as his music ''inspired violence'', instead he was given a synthesizer, so Varg being Varg, he invented a new menacing genre of music called dungeon synth and included it in his newer albums.
Do you know if there’s any evidence of premeditation from Varg like the judgement claimed? From what I’ve gathered so far it seems that the most evidence used is that Snorre said it was, but what about physical evidence? If Varg planned this in advance then you would think that the contracts would not be left behind, there would be no bloody fingerprint, and also Euronymous having 23 stab wounds could indicate a passion/rage filled crime taking place which has (almost) nothing in common with some carefully carried out murder
Snorre claims it was premeditated. We know that someone else who stayed behind also claims that it was, but I have yet to find exactly what that person did say during the trial. Unfortunately I haven't found out yet but I'm still looking. Snorre had severe mental health issues at the time and might have caved from police pressure, but if the guy who stayed behind also confirmed that it was premeditated then of course the evidence against Varg in this part is pretty strong. So I hope to find out exactly what this other guy said.
lol even varg said on his channel some guy stayed and rented out movies/ ordered pizza with his cc, they wanted to make it seem like he was on bergen when he wasnt
@@NeoCascereshe said his friend and Snorre came over to watch movies and eat pizza, he’s always maintained he didn’t have a credit card at the time and that Snorre had his card on him that night. Idk tho, even if the cuts on Øystein indicate non-premeditation there’s holes in Varg’s story, which is why now I don’t really know what to make of it all
Euronymous was unarmed the entire time. It is likely Euronymous attacked Varg beacause Varg showed up at his home in the middle of the night, being aggressive and hostile against him. We don't even know if Euronymous started the fight to begin with, there are no witnesses, only Varg's words.
In my eyes the big question is if it was premeditated or not. And who attacked who first that night. There is no chance Varg could have walked completely free, but a lesser degree of murder would have carried a much shorter sentence.
There is a simple explanation. When I recorded the reading I did not know who Bård was. In my country publicly talking about how someone is a convicted criminal can get you into a defamation lawsuit. I wanted to not break the defamation laws in my country. So I originally intended to also blur out the name on the paper. But then I found out this was actually another famous musician, so I realised his crimes were already known to the public. Therefore no need to blur the name, but I did not have time to re-record the reading.
@@StareIntoTheSun In Australia the trial and sentencing are two different events. All the evidence is presented at the trial for a verdict to be determined. If guilty, the sentencing is only a summary of the case, the defendant's history and the sentence. It is not an exhaustive description of the evidence submitted. I suspect the process is similar in Norway.
@@walmartgolem that is not how it works in nordic countries, that are part of the larger civil law group (I suspect civil law countries often are alike in this regard). I still maintain that this judgment is crappy. I just now read another NORWEGIAN judgment (from 2009), which is written in the style that I consider aligns with a country that has rule of law.
I am, admittedly, not familiar with the Norwegian judicial system. But if this was an American judgment, nothing about it would be “crap”. Judgements are not a painstaking recitation of presented facts. They are the decision of a trial and the basic reasoning behind them. The level of detail you’re looking for is going to be present within the trial transcripts and documented evidence themselves. How did you get this judgment? Can you get the rest of the trial transcripts the same way? You conclude by saying that Varg is innocent until proven guilty in a way that may suggest that hasn’t happened. Varg is a premeditated murderer. It’s that simple. He can define it however he wants, but an impartial court has decided it to be so. Thus it is so. Think of yourself as a judge or on a jury and imagine how the exact scenario Varg laid out is going to be presented by the prosecutor. Varg went to Oystein's house at 3am. Their relationship had been publicly deteriorating for months. Varg pre-emptively begins to stab Oystein on some nebulous threat of a shotgun that he openly admits to never having actually seen. Oystein tries to run away. Varg continues to stab him in the back. (I shouldn’t have to point out how ludicrous the idea of stabbing a fleeing person in the back under the guise of self defense is.) Oystein trips, falls in some glass, Varg and Snorre corner him. When a grievously injured Oystein tries to defend himself from his cornered position by kicking Varg, he receives a deathblow to the skull. To me, it isn’t hard at all to see how this judgment came down the way it did, just from Vargs story. He killed a guy. If his defense in court was anything like it is in the book it’s not a surprise that he lost his case. In most countries he’d still be in prison for what he did; not chilling on Twitter in France.
I am comparing to swedish judgments, since that is what I am familiar with. Norway belongs to the same legal family though so I expect the systems to be similar. If you go way back, like a 100 years, the judgments were typically just the actual verdict and contained very little or no weighing of evidence, but for a long time, definitely more than 30 years, judgments are usually written as a kind of recreated fictional train of thought about how the court interpreted the evidence and how it arrived at its conclusion. The swedish procedural law also states that a judgment has to show how and why the court arrived at its conclusion. Failure to do so or being too vague are actually grounds for retrial and it is not entirely uncommon for a higher court to send the case back to the lower court if the judgment does not display the thougt process behind the conclusion. Personally, I believe failure to motivate a verdict in a clear and understandable way is a violation of the right to a fair trial. Btw I haven't read any other norwegian judgments and I can't even imagine how judgments in criminal cases in jury system courts (like the US) are written, since it is the jury and not the judge that determine if someone is guilty or not. I'm thinking of recording a video where I go through the judgment against Jon Nödveit from Dissection, which is a wonder of transparency in comparison to this badly written novel. Lastly, I don't necessarily believe Varg was completely innocent. But there are at least a couple of plausible alternative versions about how things went down that night. For example 1. That it truly was a self defense situation, at least until Euronymous started fleeing, or 2. That it wasn't self defense but neither a premeditated murder. Could have been a heat of the moment thing. My firm opinion is that the judge should have written how the evidence supported the prosecutors version and why the court so readily discarded everything Varg said. If I make the video about the Dissection murder then it will be clear what a well morivated judgment looks like.
@@StareIntoTheSun Another video on Nodveit would be really interesting. A comparison with Bard Eithun would also be interesting considering his case's similar aspects to both Varg and Nodveit. Again, if this came down in America it would be pretty standard. But it's also very easy to find out what a prosecutor argued within a trial if you want to and how that fits into the judgement. Our transparency laws are pretty good in the regard. You mention that this happened in an appellate court. Did Varg have recourse to further appeal this decision because of the reasons you describe? If so, do you know if he did that?
The Norwegian prison system was like a hotel visit for Varg and they allowed him to make albums in prison. Also, according to Varg, the inmates had respect for him because he "unalived" someone face to face, instead of using a gun or a projectile, his prison time was nothing. Varg wouldn't have bruises from Euronymous because Euronymous was an extremely skinny dude, you could basically fart on him and the wind from it would knock him over.
I have worked in a swedish prison a long time ago and I imagine conditions were comparable in many ways. It is true overall that life there is comfortable; they have video games, TV on the room, access to gym etc. However, conditions usually differ within a country between prisons (especially between old/new and high/low security classes) and there is also the occasional sadist prison guard who likes to make life difficult for inmates. I have read Varg's book about his prison years and it seems he got to experience both easier and more difficult conditions, altough compared to something like a US prison he definately had it easy. One must also remember though that imprisonment in itself is very stressful even if conditions are comfortable. You are probably right about Euronymous. But it would be nice to read an expert opinion of whether a lot of the so called stab wounds were actually from broken glass, if he had a shotgun in the apartment and whether or not he had talked to others about eliminating Varg.
@@StareIntoTheSun Finding the court documentation of the trial and evidence is going to be quite a challenge. But given how Euronymous took pieces of Dead's skull and mailed them to people as well as made jewellery out of it, I have no problem believing in the absence of evidence to the contrary that he talked about killing Varg. Necrobutcher's interview statement about wanting to kill Euronymous himself makes it pretty clear that if Varg had not done it, someone would have.
Much of what Varg says about the case doesn't add up, he's a narcissist. The reality is he was an edgy satanist desperate for attention and desperate to be the star of the show. He still is - his "fame" is now reduced to an irrelevant, weird e-cult of teen groomers and atheistic pseudo-pagans, but despite disowning the genre he still desperately wants to be recognised as its pioneer even though many in the scene couldn't stand him and hated him for drawing police attention to them.
@@StareIntoTheSun yes, he openly tells his braindead followers to groom and marry teenagers to get them pregnant asap. One such follower was actually obsessed with 14 year olds, it was pointed out to Varg he was a paedo and he denied denied denied.
Definitely wasn’t self defence. Varg was still owed money by the same person he wanted to arrange another “contract signing with”. Why would you drive 7 hours to sign a contract at 3am with a person you dislike and was owed money by? 🤔 How is it self defence when you are armed with a weapon and the person you are chasing is unarmed?
I agree that paper's poor, either way not an expert on Norway's judicial system but if I heard it right its an appeal conviction so there's not gonna be lots of details in it because that was the judge's job at the inferior tribunal,
Also have to mention one legal aspect, Vikernes never denied killing Euronymous, his strategy was to argue self defense, well in that case its his job, not the prosecutors, to prove that, if it was opposite anyone would kill and say "self defense" and get away with murder, but guess what he wasnt able to convince anyone (judge, police, members of the court) that it really was a life or death situation due to the victim's own actions, what is clear and no one disputes is that Vikernes and a third party drove from Bergen to Oslo in the middle of the night, armed with at least one knife, and confronted a much smaller man with the poor excuse of signing a contract, it doesnt make any sense to do all that just to get the victim out of your life as Varg claims, my guess is that once inside Euronymous apartment he just tried to kill him, or at least provoked him into a fight and produce the perfect excuse to kill, but he didnt expect to have most of the fight outside the apartment, its really foolish to pretend to claim self defense from a running man in panic mode,
Even according to Vikernes, Snorre's testimony was against him because he was a "mental" case, thats a poor reason to take credit away from a witness.
Police and prosecutor knew they had the guy, and his defense strategy didnt work, how to convince anyone with braincells that you were fighting for your life when you have a much smaller running victim in underwear, trying to escape in panic and screaming for help.
Thinking of Euronymous really wanting to kill Vikernes is contradictory to any allegation that he attacked first that night, it doesnt match his supposed plans of using a stun gun, shotgun or any similar means and torture Vikernes to death, its even laughable at this point of events
Thanks to Googoo, finding the official documentation of the court's assessment of Vikernes is like trying to push shit up a hill with a fork. But just listening to the idiot rant and rave shows that he is intellectually impaired in some manner and is a classic example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
You are right that appeals judgments are usually very short compared to first instance (like a district court) judgments. However, in some jurisdictions the court of appeal is first instance for some cases. This is also how it was with murder in Norway at the time. But perhaps that is why the judgment is so bad. The court of appeal is used to only having to comment on an existing judgment. Now they had to do it from scratch; take upp all evidence and write it all themselves.
They were intent on teaching this man a lesson owing to his difference in moral code. I would say it backfired on them big time.
One could speculate that as they saw the emergence of the black metal movement they panicked and felt a need to bring it to a halt as soon and forcefully as possible. Varg was perceived as the leader so they made an example of him. I think they were intent on jailing him no matter what the evidence looked like.
@@StareIntoTheSun In all fairness, if Varg was your first impression of black metal, you would want to put a stop to it as best you can, too. But popheads tried to erase doom metal in the 1980s with glam etc, so one should just dismiss it as typical normie behaviour. The idea that the people they shit on might have different ideas about how the world should work to them is not something they are capable of understanding.
Don't swallow every words Varg says for good fish.
This was excellent dude! You have a knack for presentation.
Do we really have reasons to be disappointed?
1. There was no doubt about Vikernes' guilt for the murder (even he never denied it), so he was rightly convicted, and the rest is just a matter of motive.
2. The court repeatedly emphasized how brutally this murder was carried out and how it was planned in advance, which shows no signs of the alleged self-defense.
3. Ultimately, there was no concrete evidence that Vikernes' life was genuinely threatened, and Vikernes' actions bore the marks of premeditation rather than someone merely trying to defend himself. So it’s hard to be surprised that the court did not mitigate the sentence.
I am not disappointed at all. He brutally killed a guy that he hated and so received an adequate conviction.
Learnt something new today, didn't know Varg had a child before he was arrested
Yes, a daughter Rebekka.
She was born (Varg was 19-20) after all albums ware recorder but not released, except ''Anti-black metal'' album filosofem. Burzum 1992 album was already released by Euro. She was born probably very close to helvete shutdown, that Vargs promo/interview or De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas rehearsals and recording, late 1992 or early 1993. And then was a big conflict between him and Euro after all bs. He wanted to move on with burzum project and unreleased albums, but Euro was playing with him. Dont forget he was 5 years older than Varg, both with massive egos. Now if you look Varg situation, new born child; success from music that puts bread on the table; respect from others,... We can see why he was not taking shit from him. Euro was probably very surprised when varg showed up and than panicked when it became physical. He realised, shit he ain't playing.
Now, Det som engang var was released in same month after death of Euro. Hvis lyset tar oss, month before trial. And, De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas same month after trial. He recorded Dauði Baldrs in prison later that year. What a strong drive and promotion skills he had, even from mayhem and darkthrone. This is the end and ''new'' start of BM. Filosofem and De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas are the magnum opus of that era, both released when he was in prison. Thanks to OG album A Blaze in the Northern Sky, first Burzum album, early Thorns recordings and mayhem concerts (specially hell hammers drumming and Dead vocals). The end.
I don't know, but there is something to think about.
Does anyone know that woman that he had Rebekka with? She probably has something to say about those days.
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I couldn't find anything about her.
@@majakoren1746 A Jewish name 🤔
@@majakoren1746she appearantly makes music but what I heard was really bad.
I find Necrobutcher's words the most compelling. He was planning on killing Euronymous, too. And although I do not have good sources for this part, Euronymous was pissing so many people off that it really was a case of Varg getting to him first. Euronymous took photos of a man's corpse fresh at the scene of a suicide, made jewellery with pieces of the man's skull, and used the photos for album covers. Nobody deserves to be murdered, but this is a clear case of a man screaming "kill me" at everyone around him.
Thank you for this video anzd the reading of the judgment. Varg has said in his book that he asked his lawyer well what about this or that, his lawyer told him we will bring it up later and he never did. Like you have said they wanted to teach this man a lesson no matter if he burnt churches or whatever evidence he may have for self defense they wanted to throw the book at him
Yeah, in a normal judgment you would read something like "the defendant has admitted to stabbing the victim but claimed self defense..." This judgment mentions ZERO points raised by the defense. Could very well be like Varg says that his lawyer did the least possible during the trial. Some defense attorneys are like that, they don't care about the case and just want to go home with a paycheck.
@@StareIntoTheSun But the evidence is irrefutable: the 400+ kilometers he traveled from Bergen to Oslo, the weapons (knives) he was carrying, and the pre-established alibi he had. He had every intention of killing Euronymous, in addition to the burning of churches and the previous attack on the leader of the band Therion. Varg is a criminal here, there or in China, and any lawyer in his right mind would know that this is a lost case.
@@JorgeNayaMy position is that it very well could have been manslaughter, maybe even self defense until Euronymous started fleeing. After that it was clearly not self defense, altough you could still argue for putative self defense, even if it's a bit of a stretch. But that is a more complex legal regulation. Nevertheless a GOOD attorney should argue every possible angle and I suspect Varg's attorney did the least possible to defend him in this case.
I would like to see the other testimonies to see if the claim that this was planned holds up. Also would like to see what they found in the apartment. Without a clear presentation of the evidence I am not convinced this judgment is correct.
A conviction for manslaughter would have rendered a much shorter prison sentence.
I agree with you,there's almost no discussion of evidence. There's logical reasoning as to why they took certain actions, but no evidence is mentioned, as to explain why they come to those conclusions.
The judgement made it sound like Varg's friends testified against him regarding planning it ahead of time. Without a transcript of the testimonies it's difficult to say if Varg is lying or if the court misrepresented the evidence.
A very extensive and in depth explanation and investigation.
I would like to know myself (of Therion and Christopher) Was the relitive worldwide success of the Therion album "...Of Darkness" somewhat the truer motivation for Jealously and Hatred towards the band...more so than their lyrical content.
Obviously Peaceville/Deaf Recorda at the time were alot more widely available and in Magazines; rather than in just Fanzines. Maybe. Who knows?
Would be interesting to hear more of Tony Sarka stories around these times. Unfortunately can only be anecdotal accounts.
Was well worth watching.
Regards Australia 🇦🇺
Thank you. One can only speculate about the true origin of the hate towards Therion. Maybe there was a hint of jealosy, but I don't think that was the main thing. I will probably do a video about the infamous interview Euronymous gave in the 90s, where he makes the threat I talk about in the other video.
Will probably also make a video about when Tony Särkkä's crew stabbed an old man in the throat. All in due time.
Isn’t Tony sarkka dead?
I'm honestly surprised that Varg still claims that his life was in threat while describing how he killed a man who was basically screaming for help. That doesn't that everything Varg says it's a lie, but it's still something that at least for me, makes no sense, like how do you defense yourself from someone who can't even defend himself?
I can easily imagine it starting as a self defense situation, but with Varg continuing long after the initial threat was averted.
Yeah my thoughts exaxtly. IF your goal was to defend yourself and your opponent is about to flee his own apartment...How much sense does it make to follow and continue stabbing him to death. The only explanation i could think of was something like a murderous frenzy that kicks in in an extreme situation like that where your instincts tell you to bring it to an end so you're not getting killed yourself. But out of a purely defensive situation i still think that's not very likely. I think it's more likely that he planned the killing or at least took in consideration to kill him and just did it when Euronymous gave him the slightest reason . Came here to learn about that stuff but as the video shows...very disappointing judgement.
@@leifd381he also said that the multiple stab wounds weren't even stab wounds but cuts from glass. He killed him in cold blood.
@@StareIntoTheSun I might be biased but for me it's still difficult to imagine it started as a self defense situation. Euronymous was way physically smaller than Varg, so I don't think it would've been much of a threat unless he was with some kind of weapon on his hands (which we sadly don't know because the judgment doesn't say anything)
@@qtnshy Euronymous was unarmed the entire time. It is likely Euronymous attacked Varg beacause Varg showed up at his home in the middle of the night, being aggressive and hostile against him. We don't even know if Euronymous started the fight to begin with, there are no witnesses, only Varg's words.
One new element for me is that Snorre's involvement, at least according to the court was more active than previously stated by Varg if he was in fact armed himself and involved in preliminary discussions about what should or would happen to Aarseth. Other than that, no real answers from the state.
Yes, I would like to know exactly what kind of story Snorre gave about how they planned the murder, armed themselves and travelled with the intent to kill Öystein. Currently however it is not possible to know whether he said something like that or if that is just the court's impression.
Interesting information (and kind of asmr). Thanks.
Thanks! Also you are the second person now to tell me the last part.
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I can confirm.
Very calm voice.solaris9250
Great video! As with many things, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Suffice to say, everything went a bit too far in the black metal scene at the time.
Two people know what really happened, one of them is dead.
So as far as the murder goes, they apparently had a bloody handprint or fingerprint as well as the signed contracts with his name putting him at the scene. Then with the testimony from two people claiming that they assisted in creating an alibi, that's enough evidence to convict someone of first-degree murder. Which it so obviously was. The church burning is a different story. But ultimately 16 years in prison for a senseless, brutal murder is very lenient, and he deserved it
Are people able to access more information from this case? Is this all you could find? Where did you even find it?
Interesting, where did you get this info?
@@StareIntoTheSun Satan rides the media.
Hvor kan man finne det sjølv?
How does sentencing work in Norway? It sounds like the prosecutor wanted to put him away for 10 years, but I'm not sure if its only for the murder or for all charges.
I think that part is about preventive detention, which they have in norway, where they reevaluate how dangerous you are after X amount of years and decide if you should still be imprisoned.
Breivik was sentenced in that way.
However as you can see Varg "only" got 21 years, which is still fairly harsh for a nordic sentence at the time (in sweden for comparison 10 years was the standard punishment for many murder cases). Bård Eithun who murdered a man and burned down Holmenkollen received 14 years. So these countries are similar in their sentencing, or atleast were at the time.
@@StareIntoTheSun Eithun was 19 at the time of th murder. Hence the 14 years sentence. Good job with the video.
Fun fact; in prison, as Norwegian prisons go, they didn't give him a guitar to play in his time as his music ''inspired violence'', instead he was given a synthesizer, so Varg being Varg, he invented a new menacing genre of music called dungeon synth and included it in his newer albums.
Dauði Baldrs and Hliðskjálf are great.
He didn't invented it
He didn’t invent that he was influenced by dead can dance
Great video really enjoyed it
Do you know if there’s any evidence of premeditation from Varg like the judgement claimed? From what I’ve gathered so far it seems that the most evidence used is that Snorre said it was, but what about physical evidence? If Varg planned this in advance then you would think that the contracts would not be left behind, there would be no bloody fingerprint, and also Euronymous having 23 stab wounds could indicate a passion/rage filled crime taking place which has (almost) nothing in common with some carefully carried out murder
Snorre claims it was premeditated. We know that someone else who stayed behind also claims that it was, but I have yet to find exactly what that person did say during the trial. Unfortunately I haven't found out yet but I'm still looking. Snorre had severe mental health issues at the time and might have caved from police pressure, but if the guy who stayed behind also confirmed that it was premeditated then of course the evidence against Varg in this part is pretty strong. So I hope to find out exactly what this other guy said.
lol even varg said on his channel some guy stayed and rented out movies/ ordered pizza with his cc, they wanted to make it seem like he was on bergen when he wasnt
@@NeoCascereshe said his friend and Snorre came over to watch movies and eat pizza, he’s always maintained he didn’t have a credit card at the time and that Snorre had his card on him that night. Idk tho, even if the cuts on Øystein indicate non-premeditation there’s holes in Varg’s story, which is why now I don’t really know what to make of it all
Euronymous was unarmed the entire time. It is likely Euronymous attacked Varg beacause Varg showed up at his home in the middle of the night, being aggressive and hostile against him. We don't even know if Euronymous started the fight to begin with, there are no witnesses, only Varg's words.
In my eyes the big question is if it was premeditated or not. And who attacked who first that night. There is no chance Varg could have walked completely free, but a lesser degree of murder would have carried a much shorter sentence.
Awesome video! And, as a side note, you resemble a white version of the rapper "Ludacris" haha. It's uncanny!
Thank you. I had to google Ludacris but I definitely see what you mean.
Why don't you mention Bård Eithun when it clearly says that on the paper?
What does he have to do with it?
There is a simple explanation. When I recorded the reading I did not know who Bård was. In my country publicly talking about how someone is a convicted criminal can get you into a defamation lawsuit. I wanted to not break the defamation laws in my country. So I originally intended to also blur out the name on the paper.
But then I found out this was actually another famous musician, so I realised his crimes were already known to the public. Therefore no need to blur the name, but I did not have time to re-record the reading.
@@StareIntoTheSun Good explanation, thank you!
Detta är mycket mer intressant än alla dessa pop-dokumentärer om det här ämnet. Bra jobbat👍
Tack!
I admire Varg for his views about preserving Europe as a cultural and biological entity.
Oh.
Slava Banderi
Volyn 1943 @@thrwwccnt5845
Yup but u get canceled for that they want “diversity is our strength”
If this paper is simply the sentencing (remarks) then it will not comprehensively cover the facts of the case.
What country are you comparing to? What you're describing definitely isn't the case in swedish judgments from the same time-period.
@@StareIntoTheSun In Australia the trial and sentencing are two different events. All the evidence is presented at the trial for a verdict to be determined. If guilty, the sentencing is only a summary of the case, the defendant's history and the sentence. It is not an exhaustive description of the evidence submitted. I suspect the process is similar in Norway.
@@walmartgolem that is not how it works in nordic countries, that are part of the larger civil law group (I suspect civil law countries often are alike in this regard).
I still maintain that this judgment is crappy. I just now read another NORWEGIAN judgment (from 2009), which is written in the style that I consider aligns with a country that has rule of law.
A judgment is exactly just a judgment, not a summary of an intire court hearings and lists of evidences.
I think you misunderstand man.
Be sure to watch my upcoming video about the judgment in the Dissection murder case.
@@StareIntoTheSunJon and his friend shot the gay guy in cold blood with a shotgun at point blank range if I remember correctly.
I am, admittedly, not familiar with the Norwegian judicial system. But if this was an American judgment, nothing about it would be “crap”. Judgements are not a painstaking recitation of presented facts. They are the decision of a trial and the basic reasoning behind them. The level of detail you’re looking for is going to be present within the trial transcripts and documented evidence themselves. How did you get this judgment? Can you get the rest of the trial transcripts the same way?
You conclude by saying that Varg is innocent until proven guilty in a way that may suggest that hasn’t happened. Varg is a premeditated murderer. It’s that simple. He can define it however he wants, but an impartial court has decided it to be so. Thus it is so.
Think of yourself as a judge or on a jury and imagine how the exact scenario Varg laid out is going to be presented by the prosecutor. Varg went to Oystein's house at 3am. Their relationship had been publicly deteriorating for months. Varg pre-emptively begins to stab Oystein on some nebulous threat of a shotgun that he openly admits to never having actually seen. Oystein tries to run away. Varg continues to stab him in the back. (I shouldn’t have to point out how ludicrous the idea of stabbing a fleeing person in the back under the guise of self defense is.) Oystein trips, falls in some glass, Varg and Snorre corner him. When a grievously injured Oystein tries to defend himself from his cornered position by kicking Varg, he receives a deathblow to the skull.
To me, it isn’t hard at all to see how this judgment came down the way it did, just from Vargs story. He killed a guy. If his defense in court was anything like it is in the book it’s not a surprise that he lost his case. In most countries he’d still be in prison for what he did; not chilling on Twitter in France.
I am comparing to swedish judgments, since that is what I am familiar with. Norway belongs to the same legal family though so I expect the systems to be similar. If you go way back, like a 100 years, the judgments were typically just the actual verdict and contained very little or no weighing of evidence, but for a long time, definitely more than 30 years, judgments are usually written as a kind of recreated fictional train of thought about how the court interpreted the evidence and how it arrived at its conclusion. The swedish procedural law also states that a judgment has to show how and why the court arrived at its conclusion. Failure to do so or being too vague are actually grounds for retrial and it is not entirely uncommon for a higher court to send the case back to the lower court if the judgment does not display the thougt process behind the conclusion. Personally, I believe failure to motivate a verdict in a clear and understandable way is a violation of the right to a fair trial. Btw I haven't read any other norwegian judgments and I can't even imagine how judgments in criminal cases in jury system courts (like the US) are written, since it is the jury and not the judge that determine if someone is guilty or not.
I'm thinking of recording a video where I go through the judgment against Jon Nödveit from Dissection, which is a wonder of transparency in comparison to this badly written novel.
Lastly, I don't necessarily believe Varg was completely innocent. But there are at least a couple of plausible alternative versions about how things went down that night. For example 1. That it truly was a self defense situation, at least until Euronymous started fleeing, or 2. That it wasn't self defense but neither a premeditated murder. Could have been a heat of the moment thing. My firm opinion is that the judge should have written how the evidence supported the prosecutors version and why the court so readily discarded everything Varg said.
If I make the video about the Dissection murder then it will be clear what a well morivated judgment looks like.
@@StareIntoTheSun Another video on Nodveit would be really interesting. A comparison with Bard Eithun would also be interesting considering his case's similar aspects to both Varg and Nodveit.
Again, if this came down in America it would be pretty standard. But it's also very easy to find out what a prosecutor argued within a trial if you want to and how that fits into the judgement. Our transparency laws are pretty good in the regard.
You mention that this happened in an appellate court. Did Varg have recourse to further appeal this decision because of the reasons you describe? If so, do you know if he did that?
@@StareIntoTheSun Please do a Nodtveit video. That would be really interesting.
@@ricardopereira2746It's on my to-do list. An interesting case for sure!
The Norwegian prison system was like a hotel visit for Varg and they allowed him to make albums in prison.
Also, according to Varg, the inmates had respect for him because he "unalived" someone face to face, instead of using a gun or a projectile, his prison time was nothing.
Varg wouldn't have bruises from Euronymous because Euronymous was an extremely skinny dude, you could basically fart on him and the wind from it would knock him over.
I have worked in a swedish prison a long time ago and I imagine conditions were comparable in many ways. It is true overall that life there is comfortable; they have video games, TV on the room, access to gym etc. However, conditions usually differ within a country between prisons (especially between old/new and high/low security classes) and there is also the occasional sadist prison guard who likes to make life difficult for inmates. I have read Varg's book about his prison years and it seems he got to experience both easier and more difficult conditions, altough compared to something like a US prison he definately had it easy. One must also remember though that imprisonment in itself is very stressful even if conditions are comfortable.
You are probably right about Euronymous. But it would be nice to read an expert opinion of whether a lot of the so called stab wounds were actually from broken glass, if he had a shotgun in the apartment and whether or not he had talked to others about eliminating Varg.
@@StareIntoTheSun Finding the court documentation of the trial and evidence is going to be quite a challenge. But given how Euronymous took pieces of Dead's skull and mailed them to people as well as made jewellery out of it, I have no problem believing in the absence of evidence to the contrary that he talked about killing Varg. Necrobutcher's interview statement about wanting to kill Euronymous himself makes it pretty clear that if Varg had not done it, someone would have.
Vargs bones get broken from hes jaws in prison!!! Thats a fact....😊
@@StareIntoTheSunyeah, it doesn't seem like they made any real effort, into investigating fully the incident,or any alternate possibilities.
Much of what Varg says about the case doesn't add up, he's a narcissist. The reality is he was an edgy satanist desperate for attention and desperate to be the star of the show. He still is - his "fame" is now reduced to an irrelevant, weird e-cult of teen groomers and atheistic pseudo-pagans, but despite disowning the genre he still desperately wants to be recognised as its pioneer even though many in the scene couldn't stand him and hated him for drawing police attention to them.
Teen grooming?
@@StareIntoTheSun yes, he openly tells his braindead followers to groom and marry teenagers to get them pregnant asap. One such follower was actually obsessed with 14 year olds, it was pointed out to Varg he was a paedo and he denied denied denied.
Definitely wasn’t self defence. Varg was still owed money by the same person he wanted to arrange another “contract signing with”.
Why would you drive 7 hours to sign a contract at 3am with a person you dislike and was owed money by? 🤔
How is it self defence when you are armed with a weapon and the person you are chasing is unarmed?
The contract could have been an agreement, to release him from his previous agreement.