2019 Mustang GT PP2 vs Camaro SS 1LE // Battle Of The Track Packs
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- Опубликовано: 4 сен 2024
- James and Thomas take the new 2019 Ford Mustang GT Performance Pack 2 (PP2) and pit it against the Chevrolet Camaro SS 1LE. They are price-matched, and both V8 rear wheel drive powerhouses. They've also been given the 'track treatment' by their manufacturers. The boys explore the cars driving dynamics and what they are like to live with every day. Can visibility of the and icon of the Mustang compete with the Camaro's performance offerings? Exterior and interior styling comparisons help figure out which one takes it in the looks department, and the back roads do the rest. Watch to see the outcome. SUBSCRIBE!
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I got used to the visibility after a few years of owning the Camaro, then I drove another car and was like, holy shit, I can see everything!
Yea but that low ride is awesome though IMO.
exactly xD, i like my camaro but the the joke about seeing out of the car was well done lol.
Still, i preffer the maro over the stang.
Not a daily driver for me so it’s ok. The only time I have issues is backing up, tight areas with curbs, and looking out my 4 or 5 through that tiny window. Normal lane changes are easy.
Haha. I agree. But after owning my 5t gen for 6 years the visibility issue isn't even a concern.
They compared a track car against the non track car, if they ran the mustang 350R against this car it's car for car, and that GT350R would be a better match to Chevy's track car and we ALL know who boss car for car, it's the GT350R in this case. But if you want Chevrolet to win something you must pit a modified or specifically spec track car against upgraded standard GT, enough said?
Or do we take a fiberglass 2 seater (Corvette) against a GT 350 as well in which in most aspects the GT wins, even in a straight line. If they went GT 500 against the ZL1 Vette, it's GT 500 all day? Too much said.
If you knew cars the Vette was created to compete against Ford's two seat with a monster V8, now hear this, it was the " Thunder " bird, in that case Thunderbird wins too, because the other TWO seater V8, the 426 and 427 Cobra would dominate anything and was the fastest production car ever made until release of Jaguar's XJ220 about 1989. So let's keep the apples with apples. The GT 500 beating a Vette is extraordinary because again a 4 seater V8 against a two seat V8 and it's fiberglass too, so put that in enthusiast pipes and smoke it.
I have an ‘18 1LE. It’s an absolute dream to drive. I’ve owned Mustangs, Porche’s and various other sports cars but this out paces them all. Granted I’ve made some small performance mods since new but even stock it’s a tremendous bargain. The Tremec is rated for 700ftlbs of torque as is. Also, I’m so tired of people commenting about the visibility. Next time you see someone with a Camaro ask them about it. It’s not horrendous. You just learn to look around more. I can’t say from experience but I bet it’s about the same as a Lamborghini or some Ferrari’s but you don’t hear auto journalists whining about it in those cars. After rebates and a negotiated sale price, I paid $47,250 for a 2SS 1LE. Where in the world can you get another new car with stats to match?
If possible, I'd give your comment 1,000 thumbs up :)
Same like you I owned a Porsche 911 Carrera, '11 Mustang GT, '14 Camaro ZL1, Corvette C7 Stingray Z51 and now my 6th gen Camaro SS. GM raised the bar in performance compared to my previous cars. My preferred one in this order:
1.- 6th gen Camaro SS
2.- 5th gen Camaros ZL1
3.- '11 Mustang GT 5.0 track pack
I hated both my Porsche and Corvette, they were very unreliable.👎
JM M I will say tho, in 1989 I bought a 1986 994s and that cars handling was pretty close to the 1LE. Attributed mostly due to the 50/50 weight distribution.
@@artagain8977 944 Porsches were great sport cars, very well balanced for the track👍
Late as hell to this but just because you got used to shit visibility doesnt mean its not shit visibility lol
I bought the 1LE without knowing how to drive stick and drove it 1100 miles home. Amazing vehicle
Talk about commitment haha. That's right on tho, how long have you had her for? I've got a '16 1LE. I've put 14k miles on it. Love it
Ronsvg97 - Just over a year now! I have about 7k on mine.
Altimgamr is a bitch Hard to burn your clutch in 6th gear for 12 hours haha
@@ronsvg97-25I have an '18 1LE, but just to let you know, there's no such thing as a 2016 1LE. The 1LE wasn't available on the 6th generation Camaro until 2017. So you either have a '17 1LE or you have a plain '16 SS.
@@wjones1499
Here is a link to car and driver. It features a 2016 camaro ss 1Le. Maybe they dropped the ss badge for 2017?
www.caranddriver.com/features/a15101319/chevrolet-camaro-ss-1le-at-lightning-lap-2016-feature/
I love the Mustang, but that asymmetrical stripe bugs my OCD so much.
I'm not that OCD but I agree it bothers me as well
Never understood that design
Personally I think it looks good on some cars, but most definitely not a Mustang
Right?? Hope it wasn’t a cost-cutting measure...(Earning their stripes)..
Some people like it but to me it's a big no. I might crash the car by just looking at it.
You guys do an amazing job making videos that are genuinely informative to the hardcore enthusiast while still being hilarious and approachable to the average Joe. Much appreciated!
Thanks Engi_Nerd!
if chevy is willing to replace your engine … you know they are serious about its capabilities…
Heard the same story for the gt350. The amount of anxiety of driving these hard and breaking the motor would rob so much fun.
LS/LT engines are so robust, it's hard to imagine one failing under warranty.
The engine I'm not worried about I bought a 2012 6 speed and while i had it i put 120k hard hard miles constantly going over 100mph as I drive highway mainly racing on the track and a little drifting here and there plus mine was super modified full bolt ons custom tuned cam ect and the motor never hiccuped but everything else broke the transmission twice. both axles once and the rear dif broke as well so I expect the motor to be solid its everything else they need to buff up lol
@@boomerisadog3899 the issue with Chevy cars is that everything break on the car except the engine lol
Basplya you got your money's worth on each one those transmissions. sounds like you just beat the Shit out of your equipment.
one of the funniest intro so far 🤣🤣🤣
dude, I almost fell out of my chair on that intro
"with your small frame you're vulnerable" 😂
Watching this 4 years later I can really tell how much Thomas has developed on camera and mic. Current videos he's much more comfortable and makes no mistakes compared to 4 years ago
I owned many Stangs over the years:
‘86 GT
‘86 LX (vert...still own)
‘87 GT
‘03 Mach 1
‘11 GT500 SVTPP (traded a ‘08 M3 on it...worst decision I ever made in cars)
I drove the ‘18 2SS 1LE and the car won me over...it’s really a great car and the 2SS has blind spot monitoring that really mitigates any visual issues while using it as a daily driver. It’s such an awesome car, I highly encourage at least a look at these special cars before you plop down your hard earn $ for some ridiculous brand loyalty...you may miss out on a great ride.
I just drove the 1LE 850 miles from North Louisiana to Florida with my 11 yr old daughter (she LOVES the car) and it did wonderful all while getting 25.4 mpg...I couldn’t be more pleased with the car.
Gotta get dem flex points
Love seeing unbiased comments. You can’t argue with the facts when they’re on paper!
I did not kno 2ss is available on 1le's.
wow, I thought Ford guys were die hard Ford. Awesome complement.
B4thunder28 i think i need to trade in my 18 Gt PP1 and get a 18 1LE lol
420 ft lb of torque. **everyone liked that**
**americans liked that**
@@pekame Dam straight!
I am a huge mustang guy...but that has got to be the best looking Camaro I have honestly ever seen.
I’m a sucker for them 5th gens
It's a damn shame the visibility is so bad. I had my heart set on a 1LE, until I sat in a '20 ZL1 today. The right rear blind spot is so bad, I wouldn't even want to drive it on the street. I think I'm actually going to aim for a Mustang, now.
Thank you for not using the 19 camaro 👌
There is absolutely no angle from which that front end looks good.
@@jazzbassrocker fully agree. Supposedly Chevy wanted to move the camaro away from being stuck as a retro car. But ironically thats what makes the camaro look like a camaro. Thats what makes it look good
It's not that bad bro
I think it looks much better than the 2018. Much more aggressive.
19 Camaro SS front looks a lot more aggressive in person & is outselling the 18 SS body style. Little panzee’s like you that judge whenever something new comes out lol.
Hands down best duo on RUclips, perhaps I gave to get my manager hooked so he can understand why I'll be late
I use to like the MotorTrend Head2Head but now with the team split up and MT moving to a premium service I am having to agree with you.
I actually dig the 2019 look of the Camaro. Am I the only one???
I agree, they are pretty good together. I ship them.
After my friend was in a car accident I ended up driving his 2017 SS 1LE for about a year, absolutely phenomenal car. Loved every second of driving that thing. Fast forward a few more years and I now have a 2019 Mustang GT PP2. There's things I love about both but ultimately the attitude of the Coyote won me over. Both are fantastic platforms. Used to watch this video every few days looking forward to the day I'd own one. Great video.
All cars have plastic whether they are soft or hard. I dont get why they are always pointing that out!
marcus stokes yeah I really don’t understand why all the reviewers complain so much. It’s a damn muscle car, not a BMW M6. In fact I’m glad the interior is mostly “cheap” plastic cuz these cars would cost over 80K otherwise.
They act like the dash is there for fondling or something. The surfaces that you are actually supposed to be touching are soft. The plastic on the other surfaces is perfectly fine and durable.
Because yes they all use plastics but some use it tastefully and some put it everywhere, like Chevy compare their interiors to Holden, their Aussie manufacturing, Holdens kick their ass even with GM upscale cars. Just because you can use cheap plastic doesn't mean you should.
Yeah every car has it but people like to target muscle cars for it
Exactly. Plastic has been in cars for decades now. Only exception is ultra expensive luxury cars.
I'm a mustang guy but the chevy looks great in blue!!!
@@rennmeisteroffcl o hell yeah I'd buy just about anything in grabber blue
@THE OTTER DK come on brooo you know they’re pretty. I even think mustangs are nice. (V8 of course LOL)
Both are awesome! I’ve driven a 2SS, A GT and now own a GT PP1. The Camaro certainly has better handling (and every time I corner hard I wish I had the Camaro). However in every other situation I prefer the mustang, it’s ride is nicer, the visibility is better, I like the look better and I like the sound better. I’d have been very happy with both but since I wanted a grand touring daily driver I think the mustang lives up to the GT name. The SS lives up to its super sport name by being dominant on the track.
Just by comparing the Camaro SS1LE with some exotic sport cars, we are able to see that this Camaro is already competing in a higher league:
Per C&D at VIR:
2:54.6 Ferrari 430 Scuderia
2:54.8 Camaro SS1LE
The performance Lap times of the ZL1 & ZL1 1LE are much better.
2:49.9 Ferrari 458 Italia
2:50.1 Camaro ZL1
2:45.1 Ferrari 488 GTB
2:45.7 Camaro ZL1 1LE
2:45.8 McLaren 650 S Spider
From MT at Laguna Seca:
1:34.23 Audi R8 V10
1:34.30 Camaro ZL1 1LE
This is not valid in this comparison. They are reviewing the SS with the 1LE Package. Not the ZL1 or ZL1 1LE. The ZL1 is an entirely different beast and should be compared to the GT500, from a price perspective. A ZL1 1LE costs just north of 70 grand and the GT500 is just shy of 73 base.
xDivulGeX the SS1LE is right there on the chart 2 tenths of a second behind the 430
@@undefeatedgaul3201 I see what you're saying. I missed that the first camaro Time he pointed out was just the 1LE. I think I made that comment at 2 AM. ;)
While I agree that if you are tracking the car constantly you’d want the 1LE because of the cooling and the suspension, the PP2 is definitely in the same performance category. It was actually quicker on C&Ds lightning laps compared to the 1LE. I ended up buying the PP2 because I liked the interior more, it felt more comfortable as a daily (mostly because you can see out of it), and most of the racing I do are highway pulls. Both fantastic drivers cars, my PP2 feels so special to drive around
@@xDivulGeX sorry, but if you're going by price then zl1 should be competing against gt350 not gt500. And zl1 absolutely destroys it. You're comparing fully spec'd camaro to base mustang gt500. That is "price range " more with the corvette. Which is still a far superior car. Ford is worried about beating gm, while gm has bigger monsters its after!
That roar from the mustang in the beginning!
Goosebumps...
What about it ? Finish your sentence, asshole.
@@bingobango170 Prescription Chapstick
@@bingobango170 says the bigger asshole
@@bingobango170 says the real assh*le
Big Chevy fan so, of course, I'd take the Camaro. Still, I'm very impressed with the both cars.
Boomerisadog Bad news, the Camaro might die in the 2020’s. GM doesn’t make enough money on them.
@@josephwalsh5223 Most, if not all, big na engines are on borrowed time. It's a shame the Camaro hasn't sold better they really are fantastic sports cars. On par with the best in all but interior and, arguably, styling. The Chevy ss is another great car that just didn't sell well. Their's a strange disconnect between the cars people say they want and what they actually buy. I wonder if the newer Camaro will be like the 98-02 in 20 years and everyone will wonder why they stopped making them?
Boomerisadog Camaro hasn’t been good at racing since ever. Mustang has a long history of racing excellence ever since the first Shelby was made back in the mid 60’s. They haven’t accomplished anything and just retired the SS model. Mustang has got a future and Camaro is once again dying out.
This ones not too shabby. Good thing I bought before they’re gone!
As a Mustang Enthusiast and a Mustang owner I think they're both very impressive and would loved on both
When I was buying my Mustang last year. I test drove both cars and I have to say the Camaro was the better car. But I love the design of the Mustang and the magneride is pretty good.
@Virus world I did the same shit! Was 100% on buying a Camaro in 2016 and after seeing them both in front of me I ended up buying a 16 GT! It had to be my daily and just couldn't use the Camaro as a daily like a Mustang!
They got that tech from Chevy
Chevy has been using magniride forever now
I feel the exact same way. The mustang just looks so sexy even though I know the camaro is the better car
Mustang is nothing compared to the Camaro.
Mustang looks sexy and sleek while the Camaro looks mean and agressive. I would prefer the Camaro personally but both cars are amazing.
to each his - or - her own!
no spoiler!
50 shades of track car? You make the call!
Go gators 🐊🐊🐊
Opposite for mean mustang looks mean camero looks sleek o prefer the mustang
I love the Mustang!
@@californiahighwaypatrol577 Mustang is too round and curvy to be "mean"... meanwhile that camaro is just mean mugging you the whole time
Talk about your age-old rivals. This was a really enjoyable comparison guys, great video! Intro made me actually laugh out loud.
Yes both these cars are so good. Competition breeds excellence. To bad Chevy is killing the Camaro
As a long time Mustang guy, having owned five of them, I can tell you the Camaro 1LE is the better car, hands down. It's basically a Vette with rear seating for very small children. Sick baby blue wrap on the comparison car, but I'd go all black for a 1LE. The '18 looks amazing in black.
Austin Powers - I’ve driven both PP2 and 1le there isn’t a difference that big to make a claim like its “hands down the better car” without pushing both cars to their limits. And there actually isn’t a difference at all driving on the street except for feeling like your sitting inside a tank in the camaro because the visibility is absolute trash. And the Mustang you feel every bump on the road with those massive tires. Other than straight line speed is up to the skill of the driver and on the track there are too many variables to say which one would be quicker. So yeah I think the hands down comment is 100% bullshit
leeleelee I just sold my GT-350 because it was the most overhyped car around. The vibration of the flat plane crank Voodoo engine was horrible and would rattle your fillings loose and it had no bottom end. It tramlines over every road surface and the fits and finish on the exterior were abysmal. After borrowing a 1LE for the weekend, I knew which was the better car...the Camaro.
@@scarbourgeoisie dude you haven't owned any of these cars, you're probably not even old enough to drive. Randy pobst, a professional driver literally said the complete opposite of everything you said
@@kylehansenmusic5915 I've owned more cars than you'll even dream of owning, including a first year Fox body for almost 30 years and a GT-350. What have you owned smartass?
Prescription Chapstick?! How dry are your lips, James? Also, nice vid. Please can I have both?! 😅🐎➕
Acidic solutions dehydrate. Stop being salty you dont get a much.
Someone has herpes..
Great review. Both great cars. It really comes down to personal preference for most people (i.e. do you prefer vanilla or chocolate). It's good to have so many choices when it comes to performance cars nowadays. There is something for everyone.
still Mustang!! im big fannnn
Both great cars and the competition between the two makes them better and better! I like the style and sound of the Stang!
Donald Erdbrink your profile picture is a mustang. its from bias
young loser odviusly 😁
Just swapped out my 2018 Mustang GT for a 2019 1SS 1LE. My traditionally Mustang-leaning channel followers are not happy. Haha! Good thing, though: I am VERY happy!
That's what matters, ill take either one
What transmission did your gt have? I hear the A10is no joke.
I'd take either and couldn't complain. Like the mustangs styling more though and also like the stangs interior more also.
Don't forget the exhaust note of the Mustang. It's also better than the Camaro.
@@VerisimilitudeDude I'm sure as all thungs, it's subjective, but I agree.
@@VerisimilitudeDude Thats subjective, if you like a deep growl the mustang is for you. If you want a throaty roar with tons of crackles and pops, the camaro is for you.
You guys are on a crazy different level of doing this 😂 👍🏼
I think visibility issue on the Camaro is exaggerated. I daily and track my 18 SS and it's not a problem.
Only in reverse there's an issue, but the 2SS has rear safety sensors beside of the reverse camera
You can see significantly better in the Mustang. I've driven both. It's not exaggerated just something you get used to.
SSDracer Same here with my ‘19 1SS 1LE. No issues at all.
Visibility issue definitely exists with the Camaro. It's the first thing you experience when you get in the car, and is so well known by now that people are turned off before even giving it a chance.
After a little seat time it goes away, but not everyone has the opportunity to drive one for the amount of time it takes to get used to it, which differs from person to person.
arkarius944 Had no issues at all first time driving a 6th Gen Camaro right after driving a 18 GT when I was car shopping in early 2018. I can only assume nondrivers are trying to drive a drivers car.
I've owned both throughout the years and currently have a '16 2SS. I think the visibility is not as bad as people keep saying, it could be better but it's really not that bad. I would like to drive the mustang tho.
People cling onto these over exaggerated and ridiculous memes about car's; for example apparently all Mustangs hit crowds of people and apparently all Camaros have shit visibility and you can't see a thing...very irritating. People can't seem to just respect cars. They have to go picking sides like posers.
@@theblckpearl1943 and also the Challenger they call it a boat but honestly the boat feel gives it good handling and hitting corners, but let’s be honest those people most of them don’t own shit
Literally when he said how the camaro sounds great in loud mode he had it in tour mode which is the most quite driving mode setting 😂😂😂
The GT performance pack 2 should be the regular Mustang GT.
Probably not. More than half of the Mustang GT buyers don't care about track performance.
Do you know how many accidents there would be when it rains with those tires? Lol
Mustang > Camaro for me; I have a feeling the Camaro is a slightly better performer on the track in the right hands, but the Mustang will be significantly easier to live with. I don't think anyone would be upset with either though, including me if someone tossed me the keys to the Camaro, but if I'm plunking down the cash, it's the Mustang.
I would have the Camaro, but I honestly respect your comment! Im the same way. No fan boy, I'd take both, but prefer the Camaro slightly more.
Great! We need this comparo on track as well AND with the M2 Competition Included, pleaseeee! Easily cross-shoppable. Keep it up guys!
Both cars are amazing! But I've always been a Mustang fan. It runs in the family 🤙🏼
Fuck that family loyalty shit.
Get something EVERYBODY doesn't drive....
I own a 2018 2SS 1LE, and have been a GM guy all my life. But damn, that Mustang looks cool. Except, when you look at it directly from the side. The hood profile makes it look like it's got a hump at the front. I can't get past that on the Mustang.
I’m a Mustang fan, but I would get the Camaro. With the 1LE, it is just as fast as the GT350 on some tracks and 1LE gets a much better transmission (Tremec) while these new Mustang transmissions have had transmission fork issues.
Though, I would only get the Camaro if it’s the 2016-2018 models. Hate the facelift.
Samuel Wu Lol, I kind of have the same opinion as you but also opposite. I’m a Chevy fan but like both cars. I would also get the Camaro but only if it had the 2016/18 face. If the 1LE only came in the new face for some reason, I’ll take a Mustang in a heartbeat. The new Camaro face is horrific IMO
Transmission shift fork issues were solved almost two years ago.
The getrag platform was always stronger than the tremac.
Samuel Wu I’m a mustang fan as well i have a 2019 mustang an I’ll sayvtgat the 1le is the better car over the pp2 mustang. Ford has to do better with the mustang with its brakes( needs 4pistons in the rear) (needs a t56 tremec) and more adjustable front and rear struts and springs. Overall both cars are great but I’ll take the 1le if i was given the chance between the two.
@@ValidAsian idk it's growing no me
james! I get the same excitement when I first got into a camaro 6th gen too!
you guys make videos that keep me watching!
If you’re going to spend that much money on a Mustang, get the GT350.
Vinny Booboo What about buying used?
@@mysterigx_ I wouldnt buy a gt350 used. Only because you know whoever owned it before beat the hell out of it most likely
@Vinny Booboo slightly owned over new anyday.... you get wacked over the head for new cars it's such a scam. I buy all my guys slightly used but with only 1 previous owner max.
Shane Fowler yup. I got mine with 10k miles one owner. Guy didn’t really drive it at all.
That will be like 20000 extra for a base model
Genuinely funny prologue🤣!
More, please😊
This was one of the best reviews for them that I've watched. There was no bias just enjoying the cars.
Just traded in my beloved 14 mustang gT for a 19 pp2 and I don’t regret it, good advice on the tires tho guess I’ll be saving to replace them soon 😭😅
Joshua Broticus - you lucky sob I love the way that car looks and handles amazing
Best intro yet. No clue how this channel hasn’t blown up yet.
Haven't watched don't care who wins god damn I'll take both 🔥🔥💯💯
You watched you're just pretending you didn't cuz the Camaro won
Southern Renegade I have a Camaro and also have a 91 gta transam
Southern Renegade but did I miss the race where is it at don't wanna sit for 17mins
@@885.0ELopez no race just a comparison I hope your Camaro isn't an 88 5.0
Southern Renegade I was born in 1988 and I also have a 5.0 mustang I love all cars even Hondas bro I'm just a car guy I collect them like I collect Jordan's that's all
i know that the camaro is better on the track but the look and sound of the mustang just wins me over every time
Mi brother has a 2019 Camaro and that thing is good looking in mi opinion
Hell yea I've got a 19 ss love it it's a beast
Just got an ugly face
10:56 anyone else catch the eye peeking through the Recaro seat 😂😂
Throttle: which would you take?
Me: _Yes_
Wtf are you talking about?
So much hate on the '19s. I am the proud new owner of a '19 SS1LE in Satin Steel Gray and LOVE the redesign/refresh with the 1LE package.
Timmy R bc it’s the ugliest model made
I saw a couple of '19 1LEs at an event the other week and I think they look better in person instead of pictures and in the right colors. The two I saw were white and gray. I preferred the white one, looked sharp with the blacked out hood, wheels, etc.
Me too. Just bought a Riverside blue 2019 2SS 1LE! Fkn love it
Why not do a on track with these car?
Lol because it wouldn't be close.
I like how it's a duo, because you can see they do have different preferences thus making the review less bias
If you say so
Great Clash of the Titans review. been waiting on this since the insta post. Please do a track day with both the cars. Would be like a daily driver vs track monster video.
Track test coming...
You verified my thoughts. You guys gotta be the best reviewers on the tube!
Great review! Ive had my 18' SS 1LE for 8 months now and im still loving it!.
Looking to track it sometime soon.
A track review with these 2 cars would be awesome.
You are gonna love it on track.
If you’re ever in New Jersey, you can happily take a look at my 2019 2SS 1LE. Though the front end is not everyone’s cup of tea. I think in the 1LE trim it’s very nice.
Having owned a PP1 and now a 1LE, the Camaro is the better car.
Great that you were able to try both. What advantages did you find on the SS1LE over the Mustang PP1?
@@jmm1174 Honestly the 15 GT PP car needed about a $1K of Steeda parts in the rear end to deal with the severe wheel hop, then the Camaro has more torque and it throughout the RPM range...just feels way stronger especially on the low end vs the Mustang. Camaro chassis is just superior. period. Mustang is very very good, once modified.
@@vincecarter4743 great description
Thanks👍
The Camaro had Michelin tires which are not the stock SS1LE tires. Based on the tread pattern I saw in the video, they aren't even in the same class as the cup 2 tires you're running on the mustang. Given you're not running the OEM tires on the Camaro it wasn't apples to apples. Still a great video!
I was just thinking the same thing! I was like why do they keep saying OMG the Mustang has the Sport Cup 2s? They never mentioned what the 1le has on it. But at 1:31 you can see it has the ps4s on it.
Ps4s are an equivalent tire to oem. And the cup2s are in a different league entirely. On the road having them on oem tires doesn’t matter because we aren’t doing lap times or anything. But when we take them on the track we might actually even the tire playing field. We will see...
I personally don’t understand the Ford vs. Chevy thing they are both such amazing cars. My grandfather has a mustang and my father has a camaro. Literally couldn’t choose between them.
neither do i, but the people who like just one of the companies are usually raised in that kind of family, its just in their blood and engraved in their brain that they don't like the other company.
Wait did Tom say English isn’t his first language? Lol also this intro was one of the best yet thank you guys.
1betterthanyou1 lol because his last name is holland?
Is it odd that the first thing I thought was 'who's James kidnapping now?'
This video makes me miss my old LS1 so badly. I actually like the sound of both
What kind of car did you have and what did you get rid of it for?
I like the fact they compared evenly matched cars. Same price range same goal of the car.
Just when I thought a Mustang couldn't get any more aggressive looking, they threw 305's on all 4 corners...
ahhhhh
Well may look nice but doesn’t mean shit when your rear end overheats
Did no one notice the eye ball at 10:56? lmao creepy asf!!
@@captainchaos6812 you are hawking fake news buddy. Keep trolling though
I still prefer the previous gen mustang, less melted looking face, closer to the retro design from the 60s
That Shadowfax reference and Gandalf whistle on demand...I think we can all agree that is what we subbed for. This channel is way too good! You two are the best doing it, by like a LOT.
I do like the 2019 SS front end, very aggressive, might try looking for a left over in the spring. Just gave my 13 Coyote to my son, and am ready to try my first LS/LT product.
I've got a 19 and it's a beast the a10 seems to always be in the power range and pulls very hard with clean shift.🤘
I agree I like the 2019 front end and I own a 350GT. Wasn't aware they changed it again for 2020.
The Track honored warranty was the big selling point for me, I absolutely love my 1LE.
Good thing cuz I just snapped a push rod at 4700 miles....
Did they honour the warranty?
@@yeahbruh5785 yes, fixed it in one day no questions
The 1LE is my dream car. Best bang for the buck imo.
Great review.
LMAOOOOO THE INTRO RIPPED MY SCALP OFF 😳😂😂
Revealing comparison of these two powerhouses. You really got me with the way you go about presenting...entertaining, personal, humorous and informative. I actually like the both of them; but maybe I'd give it to the Mustang - this iconic styling and the very typical exhaust note...you can always tell it's a Mustang that's coming or cruising by, not only a (great) V8. Addiction and cure at the same time as Coyote or Voodoo.
Addendum:
As overall package, I now consider the Camaro in (2)SS 1LE trim the best offer. Quite a few reasons for it, the price tag only adding to it. The iconic status of the Mustang stays untouched.
The name of those cars actually define themselves pretty good. Mustang GT is more on the GT side and Camaro SS is more of a sports car. Both great cars.
Actually the GT feels like a sports car. Would you mind naming another GT car?
Fenrir Wang - The Mustang is 100% sports car beat the 1le at VIR by little more than a second. Don’t go off one review.
leeleelee yeah then it overheated after a few laps, plus the 1LE beat the PP2 Mustang at Laguna Secca🤷🏻♂️ so it’s a drivers race between the two
@@zacharytrull4665 that's not his point. He's saying that calling the GT a "gt car" instead of a sports car is completely incorrect. Having driven one, I agree. It overheated because the real "track pack" of the Mustangs are the gt350 and gt350r with all the extra coolers that also come with the 1le. To keep costs down, the GTs don't come with those. A strange decision by Ford to include slicks on that package instead of chassis stiffening, electronic diff, and all kinds of cooling since only very few buyers would ever purchase a pp2. I guess they didn't want it to compete with the gt350 and hurt it's sales.
Are we not going to talk about the eyeball peeking through the seat @ 10:56...LOL
Camaro poor visibility, who wants to see what you just left in the rear view mirror?
People always talk about the stiffness of the camaro vs. the mustang. The reason why Camaros are so stiff is because they are really Corvettes with a Camaro body. That's just an advantage they will probably always have over the mustang.
V8Supercar1 dude are you high. It is not a Corvette chassis. I am sure GM fans will chime in, but it is a Caddy ATS chassis. Camaro never shared Corvette chassis, except perhaps brakes.
@@ProjectFairmont For the record. I never said it has a Corvette chassis. But the Camaro most certainly benefits from Corvette engineering and all the years and years of Corvette racing.
The best handling muscle car: Camaro
It's seems in CA that the PP2 is more rare than the 1LE. Got to drive the 1LE and it was a blast. I'm a mustang fanatic but if I could buy both I would.
The vocabulary on you actor?, people?, things?, bot's?, This show, is astonishing... May God Bless you ALL.
Did no one notice the eye ball at 10:56? lmao creepy asf!!
Whoa! Weird!
Oh shitttt
Wtf.. I went back that shit scared me 🤣🤣
I find it funny. Just humor
😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
love your video, but you two are wrong about the 2019 1ss 1le front design. I have one and it looks amazing! I think even more menacing coming down the road.. Great intro to the video by the way!!
I have to disagree the 2018 SS looks mean and menacing the 2019 SS just look wierd no offence just my opinion
@@Justaeuropeanman I guess we can agree to disagree. I just know when I'm driving around in my 2019 1ss 1LE, I get nothing but thumbs up, twisted necks and smiles.
I own a Riverside Blue 19 2SS 1LE. Love and prefer it!
@@xmunitrader ,👍👍... I have an orange 2019 1ss 1Le. I preferred it as well!!!
I'm a Camaro guy but I've always preferred the sound of mustangs. That deep bass out the tailpipes is mesmerizing. But overall Camaro all day.
Thank you for testing a Mustang PP2 no one else has done it as of yet. IMO, I would take the PP2 over the GT 350 just because other then the track there aren't too many places you can wring one out. Get some sticky summer tires like others are going and have at thee.
Early 80s Corvette did something similar as with the Camaro. It was 4+3 and would skip a gear to save gas.
I don't own them. I own 2 Toyota 4runners. But I drove the Camero for a while as rental. and I fell in love with it.
FINALLY someone doing something with a PP2. Everyone has Camaro 1LE content for the longest time now
I'm a huge fan of Mustang but really falling in love with Camaro! Love it!😍❤
Why do all females love shitstangs?
So nobody is going to mention the guys eye in the cut of the Recaro seat? Lmaoo
That mustang is beautiful
This has to be in the top ten throttle house intros!
Love the channel! I'd love to hear you guys talk about reliability and longevity of the cars you guys review and not just what's the car like when its brand new because cars don't really stay new for long.
I just checked out a low miles 2019 Mustang GT PP2 last weekend. What a beautiful car!! Not really in the market right now, but to me this is the next best thing to a new GT-350. Has some of the same features, but if you aren’t tracking the car, you can save $10k and get this. And 460 hp is plenty for any public road!
I think that the Mustang PP1 is better as a daily driver compared to the PP2 because their cup tires would hardly last 5K miles. Either way at the track the Camaro SS1LE with is regular summer tires would beat the Mustang because the Alpha platform chassis has superior handling.
Swap the tires out that's an easy fix. And I'm not so sure the Camaro would be faster, as they said the Camaros tail end likes to step out.
JM M mustang has a better engine, rides better and looks better.
Yeah, Ford doesn't quite have the chassis engineering chops that GM does, so they kinda cheated by throwing track tires on a street car. Sport Cup 2s aren't in line with the Mustangs price and daily drivier usability, and next to nobody will replace the Michelins every 5K. It's a magazine racer.
Mustang engine will start ticking, eating up the cylinder wall, then car is sitting at the dealership service dept for months
@@mattjones1378 That's another problem; the Mustang has had so many issues with it's piston slap and transmission that I'm not sure Ford can reliably engineer the Mustang at this price and performance level. It's just not sorted out.
I like the 19 front end
Great review. I shopped 1SS vs PP1 and my takeaways where that the SS felt faster and had a better driving position, and felt screwed together tighter than the Mustang, but the Mustang was very close and actually would have been my choice because it was cheaper and had more back seat space.
Make you wonder what your priorities are when buying a SPORTS car. Lol
@@Raven77844 I didn't want to care about backseat space, but with these two cars, my kids fit in the Mustang and didn't fit in the Camaro. The seemingly small difference in space became a big difference because of that, and while the Camaro was faster, I don't think it was $5k faster, which was the difference based on the deals I was able to get at the time. You're right though, with a bigger budget and a 2nd family car to fall back on, I do think the Camaro is the better SPORTS car - especially the 1LE, which I am a big fan of.
Craig R. - faster lol I’ve been in the new camaros for some reason all gm cars have shitty interiors almost it all just feels terrible. The coyote alone is reason enough for me to buy the Mustang.
@@CoyoteFTW it was 2017 and the GT made 435 and the SS was making 455. My butt dyno told me the difference was significant - not necessarily worth $5k significant, but noticeable. Obviously nobody in this thread likes my take either way, but that was my experience "lol." If you bought a GT, I'm glad you like it. I think they are awesome too.
@@CoyoteFTW and you think mustang has a quality interior??. Take your sunglasses off. Lol
Lmao, the eyeball peeping through the hole in seat scared me.
A muscle car with V8 and manual transmission is real muscle car
Yes I completely agree with you. Nothing compares to that feeling 👍😊✌
These have been my dream car for sooooooo long
Either car and life is good, you'll find yourself volunteering to drive/ go on road trips much more than you ever have before
Anyone else just love the way Thomas says "out"? 😂❤️
It's just him... Not every other Canadian..nope.
@@kevina2052 Dude shut the fuck up, I'm not about to be posting a comment saying "Omg I just love how Canadian people say out" Please go take your sarcastic replies to a comment that actually matters 👌🏻
Did anybody else see the eyeball at 10:56 😁
Lmao.
Battle of the (45 mph speed limit) track packs!! Exciting.
Watch this Wednesday
@@ThrottleHouse Roger. I will check back.