This guy's recollection of how atheism was in the 80s and 90s is giving "the world was actually very simple when I was a child and only started becoming complicated when I got older"
Seriously, it looks like a common case of having absolutely no self awareness and not realizing your own personal view, especially as a child, was probably not very accurate, especially again regarding political and religious nuances around the world. We also didn't have the Internet to share our voices. It's amazing how blind these people are to the reality around them.
Yeah athiests had no.problem in the 80s and 90s. If you overlook the satanic panic that lump3d us in with Satanists. Or the mcarthy years where athiesm was equal to communism and lost their jobs or were blacklisted for it. Such bull spews forth like a fountain for the god squad
@@ElizabethMcCormick-s2n, hindsight is as blind as, in this case, this guy's foresight. I'm going to spell this out in more detail in a separate post, but I was 28 in 1985 and I don't remember _anything_ this guy says about atheism in the '80s. And it just wasn't anything like he says. Of course, his ability to make -- or even invalidate -- forecasts about our futures is every _bit_ as bad as his ability to track the courses atheism around the world over the past 39 years. More later.
@@johndemeritt3460 This guy is, according to himself, actually psycho. Why do any Christians listen to him? If they want to listen to a Psycho Killer, Talking Heads did it best!
Words like easily triggered, lame and cope come to mind when listening to atheists whining about freedom of expression!! Militant atheism is a walking ball of self contradiction and cognitive dissonance!!
I am a 70YO lifelong atheist and in the 60s and 70s we (atheists) were haressed very much by christians. When I was very young christian parents would tell their children: "You can't play with those children, they are heathens.". Luckely in my country christians are less extreme as before and the number of christians is dwindling.
And additionally: empathy means, that it is sufficient if I see religion hurting others to care. And even when religion does not hurt me currently, as I live in a pretty comfortable country, I see it hurt others all the time. And at that point we have not spoken about the fact, that studies have shown that religiouse people have a tendency to show more behaviours and ideas, that are destructive for modern societies, like not sharing with others, wanting harsh punishments, being less forgiving, xenophobia etc. All these traits hurt the progress to a peaceful world in which people do not exploit each other, so I consider that bad for society.
A popular tactic. Invent an unflattering explanation for others' hostility so that you don't have to own up to your own behavior. Even when I was Roman Catholic, I knew better than to pull this cr@p. Internally, I accepted that I was imposing on others, but I considered that saving souls and unborn children was a very good reason. Most Evangelicals, however, seem unwilling to accept that there could be *_any_* negative consequences to their behavior, which may be why they're still Christian and i am not. They refuse to see any need to scrutinize the veracity of their claims, so, as long as these claims address their petty emotional needs, they'll go on believing.
He keeps saying "atheists shouldn't care about religion as long as it's not hurting them". He is SO CLOSE to understanding. You're right, bucko, we shouldn't and most of us DON'T care...as long as it's not hurting us or others. But here's the thing...religion hurts us and others. It's not that hard to understand.
I generally roll my eyes at people like this, but this video made me angry. If religion helps people feel better about themselves or the world, that's great. I'm glad if religion helps people have a good life. But it was religion that made my best friend almost kill herself because religion taught her that she was a monster for being trans. It was religion that taught me that women's highest purpose is to be a wife and mother. The fact that I wasn't a wife or a mother by my early 30s made me think that I was somehow broken and undeserving. I knew my chances would get smaller as I got older, and I knew that I would be judged by others in my religion by this, so I felt worthless. The only reason I didn't kill myself was because I believed that I would be just as miserable in the afterlife. Religion hurt me. It hurt my friends. It hurt my relatives. Religious-based abortion bans are literally killing people. This is why atheists/agnostics aren't willing to let religious people just live their lives. Their beliefs are causing actual harm to others around them. This man has no right whatever to act all innocent and pretend that it isn't happening. No right at all.
I see him as a victory, David is the new breed of believer, trolling for jebus, a whiny shit stain that I’m sure even the average believer is embarrassed by him.
Yup, and that is the main truth of the religion. It can be good for some, it's neutral for most and it can be very very bad for others (me incl). People like David do not understand that (yet I hope). Religion should remain a private matter individually, without indoctrination. There's plenty of good to be gotten from religion, but also plenty of bad. Religiously-based abortion bans are only showing how absolutely ignorant and stupid some people are. Biblically speaking, abortion is not being condemned at all and is even preferred in some instances, and provides a recipe as well. These people are out of their overcontrolling minds. Total bunch of id1ots fng it up for everyone else.
I was an atheist in 1985. Also in 1975. I played D&D at the time, too. If somebody repeated "skydaddy" at me a bunch of times, I'd laugh and give him a high five, and invite him to join my game.
PZ! Hi there. I come in here once a week to have people like this explain what I think and say all the time. Cause apparently as an atheist I don't know. Are you still teaching? Have a great rest of your life!
@Lukas-py4dr Yes, people who have more personal experience of suffering and don't start with the god tend to be less willing to make excuses for the Problem Of Evil.
Jesus also never said "Brain your dad with a hammer because you think he's reading your mind" but that didn't stop David from bragging about doing it whenever he can squeeze it into a conversation.
I’ve been an atheist for about 50 years. In all that time I’ve pretty much never cared what people believe. But I’ve cared very much what they do based on their beliefs - like lie about atheists and atheism, and try to impose their religion on others.
Him getting upset about folks using the term "skydaddy" rather than addressing the comments that are surrounding it at all is... telling. The sheer amount of vindictive vitriol in his rant is disconcerting.
Don't judge him to much. He is terrified. It rather scary to realize your religion is dying. And a lot of people online make fun of it somewhere and even in your own comment section (I'm one of them, it's irresistible). When you losing SO hard on all fronts it's pretty human and natural to act unhinged and irrational I would add, considering who is character in question, he is double stressed coz not only atheism is fine and dandy, but Christianity would be replaced by islam much-much sooner than people will abandoned Christianity completely... And this dude not a fan of Muslims.
Well, you gotta remember, this is the same guy who got so upset that his biological male parent was "stealing his thoughts" that he took a hammer to his skull and ended up in a loony bin, tried starving himself to death to "win" a "fasting" "competition" with a religious nutjob, and whose subsequent malnutrition-induced brain damage drove him off the deep end's deep end into the welcoming arms of christianity, where he is allowed and encouraged to _brag_ about all of this like it's a feather in his cap. This seems like a pretty soft topic for him to get angry about, in context. And a warning to hide all the heavy and sharp metal objects again. And get the tranq gun ready.
Skydaddy is pretty much a literal translation of the Proto Indo European term that later evolved into Zeus and Jupiter. So people believing in a “sky daddy” goes back several thousand years.
@@oldensad5541 David here is a sociopath, he doesn't have the _ability_ to be scared. That's a huge part of the problem with him. That's not just me saying it, either; the guy brags about being a danger to others.
Recent-ish atheist convert here. It was because I wanted an excuse to sin, and a pair of atheists knocked on my door and preached to me that I'd be super smart and good at the sex if I joined. One of them was wearing knights armor, it was strange. No, actually. A series of life experiences caused me to reflect on how my faith had evolved over time, and I recognized that I had always believed in whatever I wanted to believe at the time. Sometimes, those beliefs were heading into conspiracy or cult territory. I decided that to safeguard my mind, I needed to rely on evidence rather than feelings to understand the world. This guy is desperately, and hypocritically, flinging his anger at a strawman of atheists that he desperately needs to believe in to soothe his worldview.
About the one wearing a knights armor, was his name Sir Sic? 😂😜 As for me, it sorta slowly came to me over time. God was just never on my mind. I remember praying to god only once, as a kid...for the channel 4Kids to start playing Sonic X again. 😂
@@greenapple9477 I started watching videos debunking young Earth creationists, and found that many of the arguments made against their irrational religious beliefs applied equally well to the irrational religious beliefs I had been taught.
@@wizardsuth Yeah, my bible teacher tried to tell us a global flood really happened, and it just sounded so unbelievable. Looking at the other classmates nodding along, I just thought it was me who didn't understand properly, so I began researching... that lead to confirming it was all rubbish.
@@masked_12 I love the instant dismissal, just incredulous that anyone wouldn't agree with AiG and similar organizations. Yes, I researched the topic and yes, the "scientific" proof put forward by flood proponents is bad. There's strong confirmation bias, fundamentalists demanding Genesis be literally true because they were taught the bible must be read that way (thankfully most Christians don't hold to such views) and just a whole heaping of incredulity and science denial. I compared the answers I was seeing from science, which would explain the steps taken, the tests used, the peer review process and were upfront about the limits of our knowledge, verse the dogmatic approach of apologists who start with the conclusion then try to shoehorn the data into their preset ideas. It was quickly clear which side was being open and honest, searching for truth rather than claiming to already have it and demanding the world bend to match.
I'm 59 years old and this religious guy is wrong. In the 80s, Christians verbally attacked D&D players. We had to hide our dice in public. In the 80s, we were angry at Christians for their demands on us. Whether we were D&D players or atheists or both, we argued against Christian extremism. It wasn't very widespread, but it still had a horrible impact on the rest of us, whether atheist or moderate religious person. In 1985, a Christian had a tantrum and stormed out of the Philosophy 101 class I was attending. It's not that the prof was promoting atheism, it's that he was quoting the Bible to show a couple of its flaws. The professor wasn't surprised by the outburst. He told those who remained that, "There's at least one every year." In the 80s, we didn't have the internet, but we still had the term "sky father". It comes from etymology: The Vedic deity Dyaus Pita literally means "sky father". We may not have said "Sky Daddy" but we still mocked the "invisible old man in the sky".
“We had to hide our dice in public.” B….sht!! I’m in my 50s and was never bothered by Christians in the 80s. Most of the Christians I knew were good people. Sorry but your “proof” and generalisation is nothing more substantive than anecdotal “evidence” with a sample size of ONE!! I bet you even fancy your self as a man of “science” and “superior” reasoning - right? But isn’t it strange that you conveniently do not subscribe to the truism that a person is rightly judged by their actions not by their affiliation! This is first year philosophy/logic 101 - yes? Furthermore, it’s now common knowledge that the science and philosophy academies are dominated by the left wing atheistic THOUGHT POLICE! Which is why we are going through a reproducibility crisis with research. Your philosophy professor was definitely left leaning and sounded well dodgy. It speaks volumes that we are now in a position where over 50% of research can’t even be reproduced. Militant atheism is a walking ball of self contradiction and cognitive dissonance!!
I'm an "old" Atheist and guess what, before 9/11 and way before social media, we were out counter protesting against Christian's protesting and blocking entrances to abortion clinics. I lived in a town with a church on every other block and yet the youth drop in center I worked at was the only place to get a food hamper and a hot meal every day of the week. There was a church that did a hot meal on Sunday, but you had to sit through a sermon, so was it really free?
@@punk2pasture I helped with clinic defense in the LA area back in the early 90s. Those Christian forced-birthers were /still are disgusting and vile people.
There were probably atheists protesting the Scopes trial, and that was 1925. And while the good guys lost that particular case, it led directly to the reforms that pushed religion out of school, which means the good guys lost one battle but won the war. And that's just one example from one country that was _founded_ by a majority of atheists back in 1776. Don't know where David gets his facts, but he should stop getting his facts from scraping off his used toilet paper with his teeth.
@oliviawilliams6204 "louder" if "louder" = "more honest, less likely to smile and nod, and more likely to respond with equal energy when approached by an aggressive proselytizer."
I once turned to religion because of extreme depression and other problems. It was a bandaid. It helped fend off despair for a time and gave me a community. But ultimately my brain and chemistry won out, at which point doctors and therapy helped more than god ever did or could have.
So when it comes to having mental problems you seek God but once it does help you you abandon it. Then if you're sick an unbeliever why did you even seek help from religion.
@@edgaracajabon9522 I was desperate and needed something and it served a purpose. I didn't really abandon it, it just stopped helping and other things helped more. Which got me thinking about if it's actually true, because there were many broken promises and inconsistencies. Once I started really intentionally thinking critically about it, it was all over
I've seen 8 of his videos. He's also a White Nationalist/pro-eugenics, extremely homophobic and sexist... oh, and a r*pe apologist. He's the lowest of the low.
He literally said why would you be obsessed with what other people believe The lack of self reflection in this man is absolutely amazing clearly an environment without mirrors
His self reflection was really just religious doctrine. Since his religion tells him or at least makes him think he should be worried about the beliefs of others he has a reason, but us atheists don't have a doctrine telling us to be concerned about what other people believe so we shouldn't. It's similar to the way they talk about morals, since we don't have a religious doctrine to interpret to get our morals, these apologists don't think we should have morals just because we don't follow some religious doctrine.
The ONLY reason I care that the proportion of the population who identify as atheist is growing is that makes it harder for the religious faction to impose their practices upon the non-religious.
Atheists coping in the comments section, this is brilliant and speaks volumes! How about supporting your statements with actual arguments instead of employing the logical fallacy of argumentation through assertion - yes? It’s rather dishonest but predictable.
“Projection” Oh the irony is k.illing me!! Just simply provide a scrap of evidence that this strictly reductive materialism, atheism or philosophical naturalism is coherent and can even get off the ground without appealing to metaphysical presuppositions and transcendental categories such as “TRUTH” with a capital T and “VALUE” - right? I’ll wait! Just simply provide a scrap of coherent evidence that an ULTIMATELY MEANINGLESS, HOLLOW AND SOULLESS APE WHO SHARES HALF THEIR DNA WITH A POTATO can pontificate on what other people ought to believe? Moreover, just simply provide a shred of coherent evidence that moral subjectivism and relativism can even get off the ground without appealing to metaphysical realities and we can both join hands and kneel in worship at the altar of the VOID!! OUR ULTIMATE DESTINATION THE FERTILISER PIT/THE ROTTING SH…T PILE/THE GRAVE/OBLIVION!! Your world view, your absurdity, your GRAVE, YOUR OBLIVION, YOUR ULTIMATELY MEANINGLESS, HOLLOW AND SOULLESS APE, your existential crisis and your epistemological crisis not the theists!! I mean, everyone has a right to believe what they want and everyone including theists have a right to find it totally ridiculous, totally fatalistic, totally nihilistic and totally and utterly self refuting!!
If theism, especially Christianity make our world better there wouldn't be many wars, slavery over 1700 years since Constantine declare Christianity to be the only religion.
“Trashed” Citation please? I’ll wait!! As Nietzsche wrote in "Beyond Good and Evil," “No one is such a liar as an indignant man.” Sorry but when you lie, stereotype, straw man and malign Christ and freedom of religious expression you are not raging against the MACHINE, you’re raging FOR THE MACHINE. Furthermore, demonising monotheists, that is demonising your political opponents by pretending that they are a “MASSIVE PROBLEM” and are dangerous is an ancient propaganda tool that’s been used by everyone from medieval dictators, to serial killers to the Soviet Unions propaganda machine. “Death is the solution to all problems, no man no problem.” - (Joseph Stalin). CRINGE atheism is full effect!!
Depending on where he lived, he probably did get bloody annoyed. I don't think Christians knew about Dungeons and Dragons back in '85, a typical example, but they always have to go after something.
Nevermind, the D&D Christian panic basically started in '85, if not a few years earlier. The internet just let us engage with each other directly without the need for MSM and govt to pick a side. David is an idiot.
27:25 "Imagine a friend told you they were poor until they robbed a bank and now they can afford stuff and are happy. And you scumbag have the audacity to tell your friend that's criminal ... don't you have a heart?"
His argument is effectively like, "Gee I know Stalin is a terrible terrible guy, but at least he protects us against Hitler so don't you dare criticise him"
Worst part, is that there are plenty of 'tankies' out there who would defend authoritarian socialists of various stripes, by bringing up the capitalist bloc's moral failings.
I like how he assumes that Christianity never did, in supplanting other belief systems, that he accuses Atheism of doing. I suspect he doesn't know the history of the spread of Christianity.
For almost two thousand years, the christian has stood in the pulpit, on the corner, in the park, and now on social media; and screamed "you're gonna burn, because Skydaddy!" Soo... yet again, a christian who does not have a mirror, or a capability for selfreflection. It's ridiculous.
“Christian Terrorists” SMOKESCREEN!! According to the Commission on International Religious Freedom's 2020 report, large groups of Christians in Burma, China, Eritrea, India, Iran, Nigeria, North Korea, Pakistan, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Vietnam are persecuted and killed every year; Due to the amount of lives lost particularly in the Congo the most parsimonious estimates demonstrate that at least 10, 000 Christians die every year because of persecution. Equally, studies carried out by the Danish National Research Database demonstrated that religious groups, particularly Christians are, as of 2019, the most persecuted religious group in the world. Equally, your “proof” and generalisation that that we should be fearful of Christians due to terrorism is nothing more substantive than hatred and anecdotal “evidence” with a sample size of ONE!! There is no HATRED quite like so called LEFT WING “LIBERAL”, ATHEISTIC LOVE”.
I live in Oklahoma, whose theocratic Secretary of Education is about to spend over $3 million on 55,000 leather-bound King James Bibles to be placed in classrooms and into the hands of educators throughout the public schools of the state. I reckon I'm one of those angry tax-paying atheists.
@@David_Goza As always! Hemant is the best. I'd be freaking pissed if I lived in OK. The state spending state tax dollars on the Grifters Bibble is disgusting.
@@tiltingwindmillthe specific Bible makes it worse but the KJV is available free or at very low costs, so it would be a total waste even if there were some reason to have access to the Bible in classrooms.
Tell me you don’t understand was New Atheism was without telling me you don’t understand what New Atheism was. Mr Wood is a great example of Christian love…
Before he was christian, he was psycopath, and after conversion, he became "christian" He self-virtousing his psychopath with christian, yeah great apologist
@@MrCanis4 Matt Powell is still just a disciple of the criminal Kent Hovind. He is still learning the grift, he has the hatred and lies down to a fine art already.
“The dishonesty and bigotry” Oh the irony!! Listening to militant atheists unwittingly pontificating about metaphysical realities such as “DISHONESTY” and ultimate “TRUTH” and “VALUE” whilst subscribing to the belief that we are all nothing more substantive than ULTIMATELY MEANINGLESS, HOLLOW AND SOULLESS APES WHO SHARE HALF THEIR DNA WITH A POTATO IS PRICELESS!!
“Grifter” This is brilliant! Talk about easily triggered!! Listening to “new atheists” preaching about metaphysical realities such as ultimate “TRUTH” and “DISHONESTY” whilst subscribing the belief that we are all nothing more substantive than ULTIMATELY MEANINGLESS, HOLLOW AND SOULLESS, OVERGROWN AMOEBAS WITH DELUSIONS OF GRANDEUR is beyond ironic and absurd! Its as entertaining as watching someone trying to thrash the front of his car with the branch of a tree in order to BEAT IT INTO SUBMISSION! It's very Basil Fawlty like at times and very Monty Python like at times! But without the comedy value! CRINGE ATHEISM in full effect!! Militant atheism is a walking ball of self contradiction and cognitive dissonance!!
In Germany we have religion at school teached by a priest. I was 11 and i asked him about his religion and "Sky Daddy". After class he hit me and scream that i have to belive all things in his lessons without a asking questions. At this moment i become an atheist. Now i am 43. So a katholic priest make me an atheist by force.
I became atheist due to a friend helping me understand that I no longer had to live in shame. The shame of being imperfect. I can now embrace imperfection with a genuine smile instead of a forced one. I feel alive and unhindered by tight fisted needless shaming fights from the leaders of the mormon church.
Me neither. David Wood is terminally online, so he probably spends a lot of time arguing with children. They might even be other Christians trolling the plss out of him for being so oversensitive.
But is the term inappropriate, really? If you think about it... They don't question anything about their sky wizard, only the other regionally specific tribal sky wizards, and those people who broke free of bad arguments and zero evidence.
I used to hear it a lot, back in the early days when New Atheism was a term people actually used, before the corporations and governments tamed the internet and censored everything.
Talk about APEIST coping mechanism and projection! Remember the good old days when thoughtful atheists, that is when “thoughtful” epistemological nihilists used to give intelligent and powerful arguments for “MORAL” subjectivism and “powerful” and “intelligent” arguments for a strictly reductive materialism, atheism or philosophical naturalism? NEITHER DO I!!
@@CliffSedge-nu5fv God would know, supposedly. An extremely powerful being turning up and claiming to be the creator of the universe wouldn't necessarily make it so. But depending on it's intent, it may be a good idea to not upset it.
@@FredHarvey779if there is a god he knows exactly what it would take for you to believe in him. So it’s one of two things, there is no god or he doesn’t want you to know he exists, at least not yet.
"poorly" evidenced. A dying grandmother is doing 'poorly'. A glowing radioactive crater where the _idea_ of grandma _used to be_ doesn't quite fit my mental image of 'poorly'. I almost hate to think what you'd consider to be 'under the weather'. It probably involved atomization. Got the 'sniffles'? Grenade explosion! But yes. 'poorly' evidenced, absolutely.
33:34 “Second, there will be atheists who remain atheists, but they’re going to calm down. They’re not going to be evangelical about their atheism” Ah! You mean we’ll shut up and put up with YOUR evangelicalism, David? Just like the good old days?
I have to agree with the forest fire analogy. Australia had cultures going back tens of thousands of years before the Bible turned up and caused a forest fire which destroyed all their culture. Now, they only have the weeds of that culture. The same happened in the Americas and central Africa. Swap the word "atheism" for "theism", and he's spot on. Saying atheism is dying is wrong. A recent study here in the UK showed more than 50% are atheists, so hopefully, we're seeing a rapid decline in stone-aged beliefs. He can go crying to his skydaddy and his zombie son for all I care.
I became an atheist after examining the beliefs that I was indoctrinated into from childhood. When I found the claims lacking, I could no longer lie to myself.
My response to the atheist game: I'm an atheist and have always been an atheist, because I've never been presented with evidence that comes close to justifying belief in a god. On the contrary, I've seen evidence that has lead me to the conclusion that specific gods don't exist and that gods in general are unlikely
I became an Atheist when I finished reading the Bible. I have empathy for those that still believe, but I am unable to force some sort of belief just because i fear death.
Oh it started way before then when certain anti-intelelctual chrisitans decided that reality had to be reshaped to fit their erroneous view of the bible
“lying was wrong” That doesn’t date very well after the high priest of “new atheism” Sam Harris actually openly admitted he would LIE to prevent the democratic due process if he deemed someone “AN EXISTENTIAL THREAT” - yes? Moreover, how about supporting your statement with actual arguments instead of employing the logical fallacy of argumentation through assertion - yes? It’s rather dishonest. I rest my case!!
I lived in a Christian household during 9/11, and also lived with atheists at home, school and yes, even at church. You know what the big difference was? They acknowledged the attacks were by extremists and, while sad, weren't grounds for mass destruction of entire peoples under the guise of "patriotism" and "Christian love." Meanwhile at home, one of my friend's families were ostracized, bullied and attacked simply because they were Muslim. It got to the point that one day, my friend just never came back to school, and when I went to his house, his garage was painted with words I don't want to repeat and his windows broken. He and his family had to abandon their home and jobs and leave because of "Christian love" being sent their way from the Baptist Church down the street.
Also the "Christianity protects you from Islam" thing... Seriously???? Spreading that phobic argument around?? As I previously said in my personal story... Do you not see how that type of thinking is especially toxic to people who just want to live their lives???
“Christian love being sent their way” “The big difference was” “atheists” “acknowledged the attacks were by extremists” Is that actually true with a capital T or was it just your generalisation about all Christians talking? I’ll wait!! Isn’t it strange that you conveniently do not subscribe to the truism that a person is rightly judged by their actions not by their affiliation only when it comes to Christians - yes? By the way, you just totally and utterly refuted yourself!! Your “proof” and generalisation that “Christian love” led to the persecution of lots of Muslims after 9/11, and that you atheists were the only ones not tarring everyone with the same brush because you’re all so “tolerant” and “loving”, is just laughable and beyond ironic given the triumphalism and vitriol against all religious expression by new atheists after 9/11 - right? Moreover, your very ironic virtue signalling about tolerance whilst tarring all Christian’s with the same brush was a self own on multiple levels and is nothing more substantive than anecdotal “evidence” with a sample size of ONE!! CRINGE ATHEISM in full effect!!
I speak out about Christianity because I actually can see the harm it does to family, friends, and society. So I guess, according to David Wood, that’s OK.
@@condorboss3339 Yeah. Quiet, but still there. Saying otherwise is kind of like trying to reduce the crime rate to zero by just cancelling all laws. Was 2015 a good year for bot account creation? Just wondering.
What enrages me is how religious people will act like a person's beliefs doesn't impact anything other than that person, and then they'll turn around and whip people into a fervor to impact ALL KINDS of political decisions which will effect the rest of us. Your beliefs impact everyone around you, and many people who aren't around you. Therefore, you have a moral responsibility to ensure that your beliefs are founded on rational thinking.
12:22 "...or did another atheist promise you'd be smarter?" I didn't even know what an atheist was when I realised I had stopped believing in God. There was no-one there to promise me anything; there was no-one in my life who voiced an opinion in favour of atheism (and this was all before Arpanet even became the Internet, let alone incorporated the invention of the WWW). All I did was realise that the bible was unreliable and that, as far as I could tell, the claims of Christianity about its god and an afterlife were functionally indistinguishable from the claims of other religions about Zeus or Vishnu or Buddha. That's still my position today, half a century later. This person, the Liar Formerly Known As David, could readily change my mind if he had good, solid evidence to present, but instead he spends his time wittering on about people saying daft things that he personally doesn't like. That's quite telling, I think. (Also he needs to be reminded that Jesus reportedly had a few things to say about behaviour like David's: motes and beams, old son, motes and beams.)
“Sky daddy, sky daddy, sky daddy” Words like easily triggered, narcissistic, lame and projection come to mind when listening to militant APEISTS enthusiastically chant their favourite mantra!! Militant atheism is a walking ball of self contradiction and cognitive dissonance!!
Per a 2018 article at Pew that draws from 2014 and 2017 Pew Research center surveys: 1. About 23% of adults who were raised as Muslim in the USA no longer identify as Muslim. 2. Roughly the same number (23-24%) of adult Muslims in the USA converted to Islam rather than being raised in it. 3. Of the former Muslims, 55% associate with "no religion, not a believer, agnostic, or atheist." 4. Of the Muslim converts, 19% identify as being formerly "no religion, not a believer, agnostic, or atheist." So by the conversion rates, one is almost 3x more likely to go from Muslim to atheist than from atheist to Muslim. But it gets even worse for this... gentleman. 5. Of the former Muslims, 22% converted to Christianity. 6. Of the current adults who converted to Islam, 77% were formerly Christians. So the conversion rate of Christian->Muslim is over 3x the conversion rate of Muslim->Christian. A current Muslim convert is over 4x more likely to have been a Christian previously than an atheist. A person who leaves Islam is over 2.8x as likely to become an atheist than a Christian. If this... gentleman is worried about the dangers of Islam, his best defense would be to spread atheism.
Nope!! Look up cherry picking fallacy. The fact is that according to Dr Duane Alexander Miller, who has studied religious conversion from Islam to Christianity and the shari'a's horrific treatment of apostates, and also has published research on Christian missionaries in the Ottoman Empire…. “Around the world people are leaving Islam for Christianity in unprecedented numbers.” [Dr Duane Alexander Miller]. Furthermore, it gets even worse for Islam because In an interview at Al Jazeera , Sheikh Ahmad al Katani confirmed Dr Millers research and stated that in Africa alone… “Because of the Christian missionaries every hour Islam loses 667 Muslims [who] convert to Christianity, every day 16,000, [and] every year six million" [Abdallah]
Exactly!! There is nothing quite as self congratulatory, triggered, narcissistic, whiney and vindictive as online atheism. There is no HATRED quite like so called LEFT WING “LIBERAL”, ATHEISTIC LOVE”. Militant atheism, that is the left wing THOUGHT POLICE are a walking ball of self contradiction and cognitive dissonance!!
My sister works for the DNR. She thinks his forest fire analogy is stupid. Guy couldn't even get something like that right and he expects us to bow down to his wisdom on much more complex topics.
Hahaha before reading this I just posted a comment about how the tree analogy is good actually cuz controlled burns keep forests healthy by letting new healthy trees access resources and sunlight that old sick trees and dense underbrush hog (especially true in coniferous rain forests like where I live) while preventing unnecessary loss of life, so atheism is like a controlled burn and that's a good thing XD glad I wasnt the only one who spotted that
The sad thing is Christians seem to be unable to see that they are NOT the end all and be all of culture in the world. In fact, globally speaking, Christianity is the MINORITY religion on Earth. Sure, the largest single religion is Christianity, but it is only 31% of the world's population. 79% of the world is something else, including Atheist.
I can see why. Guy clearly has 0 experience with or knowledge forest fires and how they affect nature. Chances are, if Christianity gets burned out entirely, it was itself an invasive weed.
@@Llortnerof Yeah, the "invasive weed" that built your country from the ground up. Also, he said "analogy", go search up what it means! He didn't mean to say that forest fires are bad for an ecosystem, but rather used it to set an example. Your stubbornness to accept the thruth just makes you look like a fool.
atheist here. i didnt even know any other atheists or at least any 2 of us didnt know the other existed. i spent half my life until that point either being brainwashed as a smallchild or deconstructing the indoctrination all on my own with every once in a while having an agnostic convo with freinds. it wasnt until i started watching AronRa and Matt Dilahunty that i first learned the word atheist and you what the main thing they taught me back in 2011, its ok to say i dont know. its when you feel you must have an answer that you deceive yourself. so literally one of the main things atheism was talking about back them was admitting when your werent smart enough to answer that question. and the important part was find reality, not a comforting fable
For the first time in Scotlands census, the majority of people said they had no religion. A total of 51.1% in Scotland’s Census 2022 responded ‘no religion’ - up from 36.7% in 2011. ‘No religion’ was the most common response in almost every council area in Scotland
Yep, indeed. I can't say for sure that I never believed to _some_ small degree, but I do remember that I put the biblical god into the same "myth" category as dragons and magical artifacts _very_ quickly in my childhood (around 6-8 or so) when I read some collection of Germanic and Nordic myths. Never was presented with any good evidence for either, and the myths were _so_ much more fun to read about 😄
I take great pride in saying that i was on the recieving end of an angry comment and blocking from David Wood. The comment that recieved it was trivial. All i had said was "i cant do tgese 3 to 4 hour long videos. They are 98% talking about irrelevant things to the subject." And he replied calling me a narcissist for wanting everyone to do what i want. And told me he was blocking me after typing this. But..... about a week before that i had commented on a video, i cant remember the exact comment, but i think it was something along the lines of him being able to be rational and laugh at silly things from other religions, but not do the same with his own religion. It gained about 150 replies, so a fairly popular comment thread. Then a week later i get told off and blocked for saying i dont like long format videos.
" _When I was walking up the stair_ _I met a god who wasn't there_ _He wasn't there again today_ _I wish that god would go away_ " (Apologies to Hughes Mearns)
Why would you mis-gender God, yet when someone else does it to a transgender person it's considered a huge insult? Also, beaten? That's like for me to say that Stars aren't real and when someone goes to explain to me why they do, infact, exsist i just plug my ears with my pinky fingers and start yelling "LALALALALALALALALALALA!!!". Seems like something a child would do, not a grown adult male.
@@masked_12 Your total inability to prove the existence of your chosen god is NOT my fault, kiddo. It's gender remains unknown, regardless of your claims, so it is a she, unless you can prove otherwise. As for children VS adults, it is childish to assert that a god exists, without proving it!
@@CNCmachiningisfun I could try to give you some proof according to which I live my life, but what's the point in that? If you truly wanted to humbly discuss God I'd be more than glad to do so! But I have a feeling that's not what you strive for. Also, calling me a "kid" (even though we're on the internet, and unless you're educated on the internet enough to know who I truly am, I could be a 90 year old grandpa for as long as you know!) just to insult me doesn't really make you look good in this argument. The debate of religion is something that we should have a serious and respectful aproach to, not insult one another. Peace be with you!
@@masked_12 If your god existed, she would have given you the resources to prove it, but she hasn't. If she existed, she would have already proven it to all of us, but she hasn't. Stop blaming me for her, and your, failures!
"If you meet Buddha on the road, kill him." I was actually at a Christian college taking a philosophy course when I realized I was an atheist and had been for a while. I tore down my preconceptions and analyzed my beliefs. My conclusion was that I had no reason, no logic, no valid evidence that merrited the belief in god.
As if moral subjectivist’s and relativists don’t make up their own “facts” - yes? The fact is that under a strictly reductive materialism, atheism or philosophical naturalism it’s all man made isn’t it? LOL just live it out - right? You can’t not even for a second. Your own engagement in debate is your own circular refutation!! Listening to militant atheists unwittingly pontificating about metaphysical realities such as “FACTS” and ultimate “TRUTH” and “VALUE” whilst subscribing to the belief that we are all nothing more substantive than ULTIMATELY MEANINGLESS, HOLLOW AND SOULLESS APES WHO SHARE HALF THEIR DNA WITH A POTATO IS PRICELESS!!
The fact is that even Richard Dawkins recently had an epiphany regarding Christianity - yes? Richard Dawkins actually admitted that Christianity has historically acted as a bulwark against something much more sinister for centuries! The fact is that according to the so called “high priest” of new atheism Richard Dawkins… “It seems to me that Christianity is a fundamentally decent religion” [Richard Dawkins: Author of the God delusion]. Dawkins also recently admitted that whilst he does not personally follow the tenets of the Christian faith he: “Liked living in a culturally Christian country” [Richard Dawkins]. Moreover, when faced with the prospect of either Islamic sharia law or the atheistic, left wing THOUGHT POLICE being forced down peoples throats in modern day Britain Dawkins actually stated… “In Africa especially, maybe Christianity is a better alternative. It may be that it’s no good trying to preach atheism in Africa. Christianity might be a better alternative” [Richard Dawkins]. Wow!! The fact is that Richard Dawkins is a world wide respected scientist and a prominent ANTI THEIST who is now promoting Christianity!! That is he’s encouraging THEISM as a fundamentally positive cultural option - yes? Furthermore, Dawkins now realises that Christianity when lived out consistently with Christs teachings is fundamentally a decent religion and a force for good against the tsunami of Islamic apartheid and sharia law that’s coming ~ right? Not to mention the tsunami of left wing THOUGHT POLICE that now dominates the media including RUclips - yes? I never thought I’d EVER LIVE to hear the high priest of “new atheism” Richard Dawkins actually admit that he PREFERS CHRISTIANITY to both an Islamic culture and a left wing atheistic culture!!
Those would be some good parody movies. They could make fun of all the religious movie tropes. But the religious folks probably wouldn't understand that it's a parody of their movies.
All I heard was a guy trying to project his and his religion's problems onto others and crying about the fact that more and more people don't take his fairy tales seriously anymore.
Thats not just projection, thats a whole cinema. Edit: Also David, your forrest fire analogy. There are some forrest were fire are part of the ecosystems. Without them there would grow nothing.
on behalf of all atheists, I am SOOOOOO sorry that religious people often seem unsmart when they believe in DEMONSTRABLY idiotic ideas. I am also sorry that we use science while you guys don't. Very sorry about that. I mean, we don't have to pretend to be smart, you do the job for us.
I became atheist due to two things. One i was kicked out of my church for asking questions. Then I started doing religious studies in college and found how every world religion is essentially the same.
Ain't it weird that pretty much everything David accuses atheism (or the atheist movement) of can be applied just as adequately to Christianity? But he will never admit that, because that would require self-reflection which is something that this particular type of Christian clearly lacks.
He raises a really interesting question. If Atheism is so powerful that it's able to destroy Christianity, but so weak that it cannot do a single thing against Islam, then how in the heck is Christianity defending against Islam? Very interesting argument you've accidentally created David.
I was never a theist. While other people were being indoctrinated around me, I just didn’t think it made sense. I was an atheist for at least 20 years before I had any discussions with someone about atheism in any fashion.
@@wilhelmschmidt7240I remember hooking up my 300 baud modem an downloading those early RUclips videos. I think the first one will be done tomorrow. PS I do actually remember using a faster modem to download pictures and letting it run all night to finish the one picture.
Honest question: have you ever sat down to carefully read and study the Bible? If you're going to answer please say either "yes" or "no", as anything in between would be lying.
To answer your question, no atheist ever proselytized me, or promised I would be smarter. What happened is that through a number of circumstances, after 43 years in the Baptist Church, I became disillusioned with religion as practiced by those around me, so I went looking for God more earnestly and honestly than I ever had before, and slowly realized there was no god. That was it; I realized that I did not believe, almost entirely on my own. It was well after this that I encountered atheist Tubers like yourself, Paulogia, Seth Andrews, the Genetically Modified Skeptic and others whose stories sounded a lot like mine and made me understand it was okay to admit my unbelief and there was nothing scary about the word "atheist".
31:21 Actually it looks like we're tired of pretentious pricks telling us they know what's in our minds better than we do... _Like David saying that we're in rebellion against Jesus, and that it's just like you said all along._ And calling us clowns. 32:44
The guy should have thought a bit more about his forest fire analogy. Forest fires are actually useful for the forest as a whole, it gets rid of flammable materials, making room for new growth. Actively fighting forest fire makes the danger actually greater. Flammable material piles up until the fataful forest fire that can't be stopped burns down the whole forest, wiping it out.
Not to mention meany plants NEED fire to reproduce! We have no shortage of such species here in Australia. Some of them even have the germination of their seeds triggered by exposure to the chemicals in smoke from a bushfire.
This guy sounds extremely angry. He comes across as desperate. He knows atheism is still expanding. He needs to be more Christian and stop lying and hating.
5:15 "Fun new arguments..." - He still doesn't get it. Atheists like myself aren't interested in arguments for the existence of god. We're interested in _evidence._ 11:30 How many times does it have to be said? Atheism is not a "world view". Please stop strawmanning. 12:45 I don't care what "roles religion plays in society". I'm interested in an accurate understanding of physical reality, because _misunderstanding_ physical reality is a straight line to doing stupid things that cause people to die. It's a survival prerogative to try to understand the environment correctly, and religion runs _against_ that. Example: It teaches us things like that we can change physical reality for the better through prayer. Nope. Doesn't work and misleads people into not getting medical help for their children. 13:08 Re. rabbits - Humans have always made mistakes. Yes, this was a mistake. It was an easy one to make because rabbits are a very convenient source of animal protein on a homestead in a challenging environment. For early settlers without the ecological knowledge to understand the consequences, bringing rabbits made sense. But science is all about learning from our mistakes. Ecology exists as a field of scientific study because we've made mistakes and it gives us a framework in which to deepen our understanding of Nature. By the way, where in the Bible does it tell us not to bring rabbits to Australia? I'll add one more thing. Most of those early Australians with the rabbits were probably self-described Christians.
This guy's recollection of how atheism was in the 80s and 90s is giving "the world was actually very simple when I was a child and only started becoming complicated when I got older"
Seriously, it looks like a common case of having absolutely no self awareness and not realizing your own personal view, especially as a child, was probably not very accurate, especially again regarding political and religious nuances around the world. We also didn't have the Internet to share our voices. It's amazing how blind these people are to the reality around them.
Life is never really that simple, it just seems that way!
Yeah athiests had no.problem in the 80s and 90s. If you overlook the satanic panic that lump3d us in with Satanists. Or the mcarthy years where athiesm was equal to communism and lost their jobs or were blacklisted for it. Such bull spews forth like a fountain for the god squad
@@ElizabethMcCormick-s2n, hindsight is as blind as, in this case, this guy's foresight. I'm going to spell this out in more detail in a separate post, but I was 28 in 1985 and I don't remember _anything_ this guy says about atheism in the '80s. And it just wasn't anything like he says.
Of course, his ability to make -- or even invalidate -- forecasts about our futures is every _bit_ as bad as his ability to track the courses atheism around the world over the past 39 years. More later.
@@johndemeritt3460 This guy is, according to himself, actually psycho. Why do any Christians listen to him?
If they want to listen to a Psycho Killer, Talking Heads did it best!
He says Atheists are angry, then makes a video that shows how angry he is that people don't believe in his god.
He's just angry that no gods exist.
Words like easily triggered, lame and cope come to mind when listening to atheists whining about freedom of expression!!
Militant atheism is a walking ball of self contradiction and cognitive dissonance!!
I haven't seen such a salty person for a while.
He keeps saying 'atheists shouldn't care what people believe unless it hurts them' without realising that _theistic beliefs are hurting atheists._
I'm pretty sure he knows. He just wants to get money from his supporters.
Self awareness is drummed out of theists before puberty.
I am a 70YO lifelong atheist and in the 60s and 70s we (atheists) were haressed very much by christians. When I was very young christian parents would tell their children: "You can't play with those children, they are heathens.". Luckely in my country christians are less extreme as before and the number of christians is dwindling.
And additionally: empathy means, that it is sufficient if I see religion hurting others to care. And even when religion does not hurt me currently, as I live in a pretty comfortable country, I see it hurt others all the time.
And at that point we have not spoken about the fact, that studies have shown that religiouse people have a tendency to show more behaviours and ideas, that are destructive for modern societies, like not sharing with others, wanting harsh punishments, being less forgiving, xenophobia etc.
All these traits hurt the progress to a peaceful world in which people do not exploit each other, so I consider that bad for society.
Theistic politics are hurting _everyone._
Wild how this guy's understanding of atheists is to think of them like Christians.
And state it as if it's a bad thing 😂
We’re not enraged at the guy we don’t believe exists, David. We’re enraged at you and your hateful message.
A popular tactic. Invent an unflattering explanation for others' hostility so that you don't have to own up to your own behavior.
Even when I was Roman Catholic, I knew better than to pull this cr@p. Internally, I accepted that I was imposing on others, but I considered that saving souls and unborn children was a very good reason. Most Evangelicals, however, seem unwilling to accept that there could be *_any_* negative consequences to their behavior, which may be why they're still Christian and i am not. They refuse to see any need to scrutinize the veracity of their claims, so, as long as these claims address their petty emotional needs, they'll go on believing.
I wish they understood that.
Bof. I'm not enraged at either. Both are just tiresome, bonkers and deserving of being ignored.
@@TheSkyGuy77 First rule of apologists is lie to yourself before telling other people what to believe.
@@martinconnelly1473no its just lie period. Lie 24/7 to urself and everyone else.
He keeps saying "atheists shouldn't care about religion as long as it's not hurting them". He is SO CLOSE to understanding. You're right, bucko, we shouldn't and most of us DON'T care...as long as it's not hurting us or others. But here's the thing...religion hurts us and others. It's not that hard to understand.
"How dare atheists to proselytize? Only we Christians should have the right to!"
Yes, that proselytizing isn't much fun when it's coming back your way is it?
You're only supposed to proselytize if you're promising eternal life, apparently.
Used car salesmen for Jesus.
Yeah, I got very "please just sit down and shut up" vibes from this too XD
@@5h0rgunn45, I didn't hear the "please" part.
The only thing "New" about "New Atheists" is that they no longer sit quietly in the corner being miserable as Theists told them they should be.
I generally roll my eyes at people like this, but this video made me angry. If religion helps people feel better about themselves or the world, that's great. I'm glad if religion helps people have a good life. But it was religion that made my best friend almost kill herself because religion taught her that she was a monster for being trans. It was religion that taught me that women's highest purpose is to be a wife and mother. The fact that I wasn't a wife or a mother by my early 30s made me think that I was somehow broken and undeserving. I knew my chances would get smaller as I got older, and I knew that I would be judged by others in my religion by this, so I felt worthless. The only reason I didn't kill myself was because I believed that I would be just as miserable in the afterlife. Religion hurt me. It hurt my friends. It hurt my relatives. Religious-based abortion bans are literally killing people. This is why atheists/agnostics aren't willing to let religious people just live their lives. Their beliefs are causing actual harm to others around them. This man has no right whatever to act all innocent and pretend that it isn't happening. No right at all.
Lots of love to you and your friend. I wish you peace and happiness.
I just don't see any evidence. But I'm tired of them trying to make me acknowledge "Sky Daddy,"Sky Daddy, Sky Daddy,
I see him as a victory, David is the new breed of believer, trolling for jebus, a whiny shit stain that I’m sure even the average believer is embarrassed by him.
This was very well written and made excellent points.
Yup, and that is the main truth of the religion. It can be good for some, it's neutral for most and it can be very very bad for others (me incl). People like David do not understand that (yet I hope).
Religion should remain a private matter individually, without indoctrination. There's plenty of good to be gotten from religion, but also plenty of bad.
Religiously-based abortion bans are only showing how absolutely ignorant and stupid some people are. Biblically speaking, abortion is not being condemned at all and is even preferred in some instances, and provides a recipe as well. These people are out of their overcontrolling minds. Total bunch of id1ots fng it up for everyone else.
A self-described sociopath fails to empathize and instead projects his own faults onto atheists. Classic evangelism.
I was an atheist in 1985. Also in 1975. I played D&D at the time, too. If somebody repeated "skydaddy" at me a bunch of times, I'd laugh and give him a high five, and invite him to join my game.
@@PZMyersBiology nerd! The cool kids, where I was from, were playing Rolemaster.
I was an atheist in 1985, and also playing D&D. But I was 13.
Great blog, PZ!
PZ! Hi there. I come in here once a week to have people like this explain what I think and say all the time. Cause apparently as an atheist I don't know. Are you still teaching? Have a great rest of your life!
@@hermaj2 yes, still teaching
62 years a Atheist.
And I don't need Social Media for that.
It turns out that people sincerely believing we should be eternally tortured upsets us. How odd.
Also have to accept the fact that every single one of our lifes is dictated by god and its plan
Inculding SA victims
@Lukas-py4dr Yes, people who have more personal experience of suffering and don't start with the god tend to be less willing to make excuses for the Problem Of Evil.
I thought Jesus said “turn the other cheek” not “post a long rant on RUclips so everyone can see how butthurt you are”
Jesus also never said "Brain your dad with a hammer because you think he's reading your mind" but that didn't stop David from bragging about doing it whenever he can squeeze it into a conversation.
yeah, his ego got hurt.
what's an ego? it's pride! and pride is a sin. 😂😂😂
just as ALL christians, David is a hypocrite.
@@EdwardHowtonfacts!!!
@@EdwardHowtonthis is THAT David?
Holy fuck!
Turn the other butt cheek?
I’ve been an atheist for about 50 years. In all that time I’ve pretty much never cared what people believe. But I’ve cared very much what they do based on their beliefs - like lie about atheists and atheism, and try to impose their religion on others.
Him getting upset about folks using the term "skydaddy" rather than addressing the comments that are surrounding it at all is... telling. The sheer amount of vindictive vitriol in his rant is disconcerting.
But so many of them
Do have a skydaddy. I still don’t know why they get mad.. it’s just different names for the same thing
Don't judge him to much. He is terrified. It rather scary to realize your religion is dying. And a lot of people online make fun of it somewhere and even in your own comment section (I'm one of them, it's irresistible).
When you losing SO hard on all fronts it's pretty human and natural to act unhinged and irrational
I would add, considering who is character in question, he is double stressed coz not only atheism is fine and dandy, but Christianity would be replaced by islam much-much sooner than people will abandoned Christianity completely... And this dude not a fan of Muslims.
Well, you gotta remember, this is the same guy who got so upset that his biological male parent was "stealing his thoughts" that he took a hammer to his skull and ended up in a loony bin, tried starving himself to death to "win" a "fasting" "competition" with a religious nutjob, and whose subsequent malnutrition-induced brain damage drove him off the deep end's deep end into the welcoming arms of christianity, where he is allowed and encouraged to _brag_ about all of this like it's a feather in his cap.
This seems like a pretty soft topic for him to get angry about, in context. And a warning to hide all the heavy and sharp metal objects again. And get the tranq gun ready.
Skydaddy is pretty much a literal translation of the Proto Indo European term that later evolved into Zeus and Jupiter. So people believing in a “sky daddy” goes back several thousand years.
@@oldensad5541 David here is a sociopath, he doesn't have the _ability_ to be scared. That's a huge part of the problem with him.
That's not just me saying it, either; the guy brags about being a danger to others.
Recent-ish atheist convert here. It was because I wanted an excuse to sin, and a pair of atheists knocked on my door and preached to me that I'd be super smart and good at the sex if I joined. One of them was wearing knights armor, it was strange.
No, actually. A series of life experiences caused me to reflect on how my faith had evolved over time, and I recognized that I had always believed in whatever I wanted to believe at the time. Sometimes, those beliefs were heading into conspiracy or cult territory.
I decided that to safeguard my mind, I needed to rely on evidence rather than feelings to understand the world.
This guy is desperately, and hypocritically, flinging his anger at a strawman of atheists that he desperately needs to believe in to soothe his worldview.
About the one wearing a knights armor, was his name Sir Sic? 😂😜
As for me, it sorta slowly came to me over time. God was just never on my mind. I remember praying to god only once, as a kid...for the channel 4Kids to start playing Sonic X again. 😂
@@greenapple9477 I started watching videos debunking young Earth creationists, and found that many of the arguments made against their irrational religious beliefs applied equally well to the irrational religious beliefs I had been taught.
@@wizardsuth Yeah, my bible teacher tried to tell us a global flood really happened, and it just sounded so unbelievable. Looking at the other classmates nodding along, I just thought it was me who didn't understand properly, so I began researching... that lead to confirming it was all rubbish.
@@Wertbag99 Wait, what about all the SCIENTIFIC proof about the worldwide flood happening? I doubt you actually did any research on that topic.
@@masked_12 I love the instant dismissal, just incredulous that anyone wouldn't agree with AiG and similar organizations. Yes, I researched the topic and yes, the "scientific" proof put forward by flood proponents is bad. There's strong confirmation bias, fundamentalists demanding Genesis be literally true because they were taught the bible must be read that way (thankfully most Christians don't hold to such views) and just a whole heaping of incredulity and science denial.
I compared the answers I was seeing from science, which would explain the steps taken, the tests used, the peer review process and were upfront about the limits of our knowledge, verse the dogmatic approach of apologists who start with the conclusion then try to shoehorn the data into their preset ideas. It was quickly clear which side was being open and honest, searching for truth rather than claiming to already have it and demanding the world bend to match.
I prefer "vain malevolent vindictive petty capricious bloodthirsty tyrannical regionally specific tribal sky wizard"
You left out loving in all that
that's a bit too long. How about "sky tyrant" for short?
@@kenbattor6350 Because it doesn't belong.
I prefer "married bachelor," because there is equal logical support for there being a deity as there is for a bachelor who is also married.
@@bloodbadger5332 Skyrant?
I'm 59 years old and this religious guy is wrong.
In the 80s, Christians verbally attacked D&D players. We had to hide our dice in public.
In the 80s, we were angry at Christians for their demands on us. Whether we were D&D players or atheists or both, we argued against Christian extremism. It wasn't very widespread, but it still had a horrible impact on the rest of us, whether atheist or moderate religious person.
In 1985, a Christian had a tantrum and stormed out of the Philosophy 101 class I was attending. It's not that the prof was promoting atheism, it's that he was quoting the Bible to show a couple of its flaws. The professor wasn't surprised by the outburst. He told those who remained that, "There's at least one every year."
In the 80s, we didn't have the internet, but we still had the term "sky father". It comes from etymology: The Vedic deity Dyaus Pita literally means "sky father". We may not have said "Sky Daddy" but we still mocked the "invisible old man in the sky".
"Our Father in heaven,"
That's the first verse of the Lord's prayer.
“We had to hide our dice in public.”
B….sht!! I’m in my 50s and was never bothered by Christians in the 80s. Most of the Christians I knew were good people.
Sorry but your “proof” and generalisation is nothing more substantive than anecdotal “evidence” with a sample size of ONE!!
I bet you even fancy your self as a man of “science” and “superior” reasoning - right? But isn’t it strange that you conveniently do not subscribe to the truism that a person is rightly judged by their actions not by their affiliation! This is first year philosophy/logic 101 - yes?
Furthermore, it’s now common knowledge that the science and philosophy academies are dominated by the left wing atheistic THOUGHT POLICE! Which is why we are going through a reproducibility crisis with research.
Your philosophy professor was definitely left leaning and sounded well dodgy. It speaks volumes that we are now in a position where over 50% of research can’t even be reproduced.
Militant atheism is a walking ball of self contradiction and cognitive dissonance!!
Projection your honor, PROJECTION!
RIGHT???!! It's... it's.... it's.... unreal? It's unbelievable. How can anyone listen to this guy and nod their head?
Oh mynock 7:40 !!!!! 😮
@@ericmishima well I want to nod my head into a wall....😂
😂😂
xD hahahahaha, I'm going to steal that one!
Tell me you know nothing about atheism without telling me you know nothing about atheism...
More of 'tell me you know nothing of atheism by tattling on the bad parts of your belief structure and projecting them onto atheism'.
@@rodneytgap5340
Exactly 👍
I'm an "old" Atheist and guess what, before 9/11 and way before social media, we were out counter protesting against Christian's protesting and blocking entrances to abortion clinics. I lived in a town with a church on every other block and yet the youth drop in center I worked at was the only place to get a food hamper and a hot meal every day of the week. There was a church that did a hot meal on Sunday, but you had to sit through a sermon, so was it really free?
@@punk2pasture I helped with clinic defense in the LA area back in the early 90s. Those Christian forced-birthers were /still are disgusting and vile people.
There were probably atheists protesting the Scopes trial, and that was 1925. And while the good guys lost that particular case, it led directly to the reforms that pushed religion out of school, which means the good guys lost one battle but won the war.
And that's just one example from one country that was _founded_ by a majority of atheists back in 1776.
Don't know where David gets his facts, but he should stop getting his facts from scraping off his used toilet paper with his teeth.
Yeah i remember that too. The only difference between old and new atheism is how loud we got.
@oliviawilliams6204 "louder" if "louder" = "more honest, less likely to smile and nod, and more likely to respond with equal energy when approached by an aggressive proselytizer."
@@oliviawilliams6204, that's it?
That's a relief; I thought I was going to have to learn a whole new creed and such.
I once turned to religion because of extreme depression and other problems. It was a bandaid. It helped fend off despair for a time and gave me a community. But ultimately my brain and chemistry won out, at which point doctors and therapy helped more than god ever did or could have.
glad to know you're doing better. 👍
Growing up poor religion was a bandaid until I found out about people who believed in different religions but science is the same for everyone.
So when it comes to having mental problems you seek God but once it does help you you abandon it. Then if you're sick an unbeliever why did you even seek help from religion.
@@edgaracajabon9522 They were experimenting.
@@edgaracajabon9522 I was desperate and needed something and it served a purpose. I didn't really abandon it, it just stopped helping and other things helped more. Which got me thinking about if it's actually true, because there were many broken promises and inconsistencies. Once I started really intentionally thinking critically about it, it was all over
That dude is a sociopath.
Actually, according to him, he was diagnosed with psychopathy.
I've seen 8 of his videos. He's also a White Nationalist/pro-eugenics, extremely homophobic and sexist... oh, and a r*pe apologist. He's the lowest of the low.
@@martinmckee5333 [echoy] Don't you believe it!
Literally
@@martinmckee5333 That doesn't surprise me at all...
He literally said why would you be obsessed with what other people believe The lack of self reflection in this man is absolutely amazing clearly an environment without mirrors
His self reflection was really just religious doctrine. Since his religion tells him or at least makes him think he should be worried about the beliefs of others he has a reason, but us atheists don't have a doctrine telling us to be concerned about what other people believe so we shouldn't. It's similar to the way they talk about morals, since we don't have a religious doctrine to interpret to get our morals, these apologists don't think we should have morals just because we don't follow some religious doctrine.
Militant atheism is a walking ball of self contradiction and cognitive dissonance!
CRINGE ATHEISM in full effect!!
Atheism is growing
The Internet = where religion comes to die.
@@philo5227 good.
The ONLY reason I care that the proportion of the population who identify as atheist is growing is that makes it harder for the religious faction to impose their practices upon the non-religious.
There are more atheists than there used to be, but it seems like people aren't bothering to talk about it anymore.
And David doesn't want to accept that, that's why he is being so vehement!
Somebody should tell him that weeds aren't the only things that grow in the aftermath of a forest fire.
Trees grow in the aftermath.
There is so much projection in what he says I think he is turning into an entire cinema!!!
An entire cinema ? More like the biggest cineplex of the world.
Ha ha!!
RIGHT
Atheists coping in the comments section, this is brilliant and speaks volumes!
How about supporting your statements with actual arguments instead of employing the logical fallacy of argumentation through assertion - yes? It’s rather dishonest but predictable.
“Projection”
Oh the irony is k.illing me!! Just simply provide a scrap of evidence that this strictly reductive materialism, atheism or philosophical naturalism is coherent and can even get off the ground without appealing to metaphysical presuppositions and transcendental categories such as “TRUTH” with a capital T and “VALUE” - right? I’ll wait!
Just simply provide a scrap of coherent evidence that an ULTIMATELY MEANINGLESS, HOLLOW AND SOULLESS APE WHO SHARES HALF THEIR DNA WITH A POTATO can pontificate on what other people ought to believe?
Moreover, just simply provide a shred of coherent evidence that moral subjectivism and relativism can even get off the ground without appealing to metaphysical realities and we can both join hands and kneel in worship at the altar of the VOID!! OUR ULTIMATE DESTINATION THE FERTILISER PIT/THE ROTTING SH…T PILE/THE GRAVE/OBLIVION!!
Your world view, your absurdity, your GRAVE, YOUR OBLIVION, YOUR ULTIMATELY MEANINGLESS, HOLLOW AND SOULLESS APE, your existential crisis and your epistemological crisis not the theists!!
I mean, everyone has a right to believe what they want and everyone including theists have a right to find it totally ridiculous, totally fatalistic, totally nihilistic and totally and utterly self refuting!!
This world is trashed because of what theism has done to it.
If theism, especially Christianity make our world better there wouldn't be many wars, slavery over 1700 years since Constantine declare Christianity to be the only religion.
Good.
“Trashed”
Citation please? I’ll wait!!
As Nietzsche wrote in "Beyond Good and Evil," “No one is such a liar as an indignant man.”
Sorry but when you lie, stereotype, straw man and malign Christ and freedom of religious expression you are not raging against the MACHINE, you’re raging FOR THE MACHINE.
Furthermore, demonising monotheists, that is demonising your political opponents by pretending that they are a “MASSIVE PROBLEM” and are dangerous is an ancient propaganda tool that’s been used by everyone from medieval dictators, to serial killers to the Soviet Unions propaganda machine.
“Death is the solution to all problems, no man no problem.” - (Joseph Stalin).
CRINGE atheism is full effect!!
I bet that that 1985 atheist would get annoyed at religious people too if they kept throwing their religion in their face all day 🤷♂
I certainly did.
I was tired of it
At 17 and just starting to figure out the sky daddy stories were BS. I was annoyed at all the pray to Jesus commerical on TV.
Depending on where he lived, he probably did get bloody annoyed. I don't think Christians knew about Dungeons and Dragons back in '85, a typical example, but they always have to go after something.
Nevermind, the D&D Christian panic basically started in '85, if not a few years earlier. The internet just let us engage with each other directly without the need for MSM and govt to pick a side. David is an idiot.
27:25 "Imagine a friend told you they were poor until they robbed a bank and now they can afford stuff and are happy. And you scumbag have the audacity to tell your friend that's criminal ... don't you have a heart?"
His argument is effectively like, "Gee I know Stalin is a terrible terrible guy, but at least he protects us against Hitler so don't you dare criticise him"
Pretty much
Worst part, is that there are plenty of 'tankies' out there who would defend authoritarian socialists of various stripes, by bringing up the capitalist bloc's moral failings.
Yes :D It's like saying, "Oh look...Stalin killed 50k fewer people than Hitler, so he's a good guy."
Bullshit-Bingo we call it.
I like how he assumes that Christianity never did, in supplanting other belief systems, that he accuses Atheism of doing. I suspect he doesn't know the history of the spread of Christianity.
Wow someone's triggered. Good thing his God keeps him under control then.
Also: Skydaddy!
I prefer Sky Fairy tbh, if he's anybody's daddy, he went out for cigarettes about 2000 years ago and never came back.
SKYDADDY!
@@insensitive919But they insist on God the Father. Literally Skydaddy. Fairies are way cooler concepts lol
Childishly condescending reasoning is all he was capable of.
Calling gawd "skydaddy" is accurate,
because he supposedly lives in the ""heavens"" (the sky) and acts like an almighty a-hole father.
For almost two thousand years, the christian has stood in the pulpit, on the corner, in the park, and now on social media; and screamed "you're gonna burn, because Skydaddy!"
Soo... yet again, a christian who does not have a mirror, or a capability for selfreflection. It's ridiculous.
Militant atheism is a walking ball of self contradiction and cognitive dissonance!
CRINGE ATHEISM in full effect!!
It's been a couple of years since I've seen a David Wood video.
They haven't gotten better.
Same, can't believe i used to watch and believe this guy
@@Magister195same dude
I live in Australia and the last Terroist attack we experienced were by Christian terroists. Wieambilla shootings
But Australia doesn’t exist in America.
@@TheSkepTick lol
“Christian Terrorists”
SMOKESCREEN!! According to the Commission on International Religious Freedom's 2020 report, large groups of Christians in Burma, China, Eritrea, India, Iran, Nigeria, North Korea, Pakistan, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Vietnam are persecuted and killed every year;
Due to the amount of lives lost particularly in the Congo the most parsimonious estimates demonstrate that at least
10, 000 Christians die every year because of persecution. Equally, studies carried out by the Danish National Research Database demonstrated that religious groups, particularly Christians are, as of 2019, the most persecuted religious group in the world.
Equally, your “proof” and generalisation that that we should be fearful of Christians due to terrorism is nothing more substantive than hatred and anecdotal “evidence” with a sample size of ONE!!
There is no HATRED quite like so called LEFT WING “LIBERAL”, ATHEISTIC LOVE”.
@@TheSkepTicktoo true. The world doesn’t exist in America.
I live in Oklahoma, whose theocratic Secretary of Education is about to spend over $3 million on 55,000 leather-bound King James Bibles to be placed in classrooms and into the hands of educators throughout the public schools of the state.
I reckon I'm one of those angry tax-paying atheists.
And the only bible that meets the bid request requirements is... You guessed it... The grifters bible from the former president.
@@tiltingwindmill Yep. Hemant Mehta nailed it.
@@David_Goza As always! Hemant is the best. I'd be freaking pissed if I lived in OK. The state spending state tax dollars on the Grifters Bibble is disgusting.
@@tiltingwindmillthe specific Bible makes it worse but the KJV is available free or at very low costs, so it would be a total waste even if there were some reason to have access to the Bible in classrooms.
@@martinmckee5333 Yep. I noted in the comments on Hemant's video that the KJV and the NKJV can both be purchased online for $12.50
David's videos are always 100% full of projection
Yeah especially this one. The obvious butthurt is through the roof and past the clouds at this point.
Tell me you don’t understand was New Atheism was without telling me you don’t understand what New Atheism was.
Mr Wood is a great example of Christian love…
Christian love is grounded in a mass murdering, and torturing god. That tells you all you need to know.
Yeah, ironic for a murderer sliming his excessive self-righteousness over the Internet.
When a forest is destroyed, long dormant seeds get exposed to light and sprout into new trees
The dishonesty and bigotry from this guy is incredible, even for a Christian grifter.
Before he was christian, he was psycopath, and after conversion, he became "christian"
He self-virtousing his psychopath with christian, yeah great apologist
Yes, even Matty Boy Powell can be jealous of this Boy.
@@MrCanis4 Matt Powell is still just a disciple of the criminal Kent Hovind. He is still learning the grift, he has the hatred and lies down to a fine art already.
“The dishonesty and bigotry”
Oh the irony!! Listening to militant atheists unwittingly pontificating about metaphysical realities such as “DISHONESTY” and ultimate “TRUTH” and “VALUE” whilst subscribing to the belief that we are all nothing more substantive than ULTIMATELY MEANINGLESS, HOLLOW AND SOULLESS APES WHO SHARE HALF THEIR DNA WITH A POTATO IS PRICELESS!!
“Grifter”
This is brilliant! Talk about easily triggered!! Listening to “new atheists” preaching about metaphysical realities such as ultimate “TRUTH” and “DISHONESTY” whilst subscribing the belief that we are all nothing more substantive than ULTIMATELY MEANINGLESS, HOLLOW AND SOULLESS, OVERGROWN AMOEBAS WITH DELUSIONS OF GRANDEUR is beyond ironic and absurd!
Its as entertaining as watching someone trying to thrash the front of his car with the branch of a tree in order to BEAT IT INTO SUBMISSION!
It's very Basil Fawlty like at times and very Monty Python like at times! But without the comedy value!
CRINGE ATHEISM in full effect!!
Militant atheism is a walking ball of self contradiction and cognitive dissonance!!
I don’t recall joining a group when I very reluctantly admitted I see no evidence for a deity
His lack of self-awareness is baffling, as usual...
In Germany we have religion at school teached by a priest. I was 11 and i asked him about his religion and "Sky Daddy". After class he hit me and scream that i have to belive all things in his lessons without a
asking questions. At this moment i become an atheist. Now i am 43. So a katholic priest make me an atheist by force.
Thanks and Leaf be Upon You!
Leaf be upon you Awomen🙏
I became atheist due to a friend helping me understand that I no longer had to live in shame. The shame of being imperfect. I can now embrace imperfection with a genuine smile instead of a forced one.
I feel alive and unhindered by tight fisted needless shaming fights from the leaders of the mormon church.
Um, I've never in my life heard anyone use the term "religit*rd" before this guy's rant.
I've seen it, exceptionally rarely in RUclips comments.
I don't think social media comments mean much about people at large.
Me neither. David Wood is terminally online, so he probably spends a lot of time arguing with children.
They might even be other Christians trolling the plss out of him for being so oversensitive.
Algorithm doesn’t like it.
But is the term inappropriate, really? If you think about it...
They don't question anything about their sky wizard, only the other regionally specific tribal sky wizards, and those people who broke free of bad arguments and zero evidence.
I used to hear it a lot, back in the early days when New Atheism was a term people actually used, before the corporations and governments tamed the internet and censored everything.
David acts like he knows that god doesn’t exist.
Talk about APEIST coping mechanism and projection!
Remember the good old days when thoughtful atheists, that is when “thoughtful” epistemological nihilists used to give intelligent and powerful arguments for “MORAL” subjectivism and “powerful” and “intelligent” arguments for a strictly reductive materialism, atheism or philosophical naturalism?
NEITHER DO I!!
I am an atheist because I have never yet seen any convincing evidence that would lead me to be otherwise.
If there was convincing evidence, what would it look like?
@@CliffSedge-nu5fv You tell me! I don't honestly know what would convince me, just nothing yet in the last 63 years.
@@CliffSedge-nu5fv God would know, supposedly. An extremely powerful being turning up and claiming to be the creator of the universe wouldn't necessarily make it so. But depending on it's intent, it may be a good idea to not upset it.
@@CliffSedge-nu5fv
Something that didn’t rely on anecdotes or fallacies to try and justify the belief in a god of some sort.
@@FredHarvey779if there is a god he knows exactly what it would take for you to believe in him. So it’s one of two things, there is no god or he doesn’t want you to know he exists, at least not yet.
Holy projection, Batman!
TLDR "waaaaah don't challenge my cushy, personally advantageous status quo founded on outdated and poorly evidenced assertions waaaaah!"
"poorly" evidenced.
A dying grandmother is doing 'poorly'. A glowing radioactive crater where the _idea_ of grandma _used to be_ doesn't quite fit my mental image of 'poorly'.
I almost hate to think what you'd consider to be 'under the weather'. It probably involved atomization. Got the 'sniffles'? Grenade explosion!
But yes. 'poorly' evidenced, absolutely.
Theists can be so whiny, can't they? "Poor me, I'm so persecuted!" , when in reality, they've never had it so easy!
@@ElizabethMcCormick-s2nyeah in America Christians are never persecuted in reality they are the most privileged group of people in the us
33:34 “Second, there will be atheists who remain atheists, but they’re going to calm down. They’re not going to be evangelical about their atheism”
Ah! You mean we’ll shut up and put up with YOUR evangelicalism, David? Just like the good old days?
this guy is literally what christians think of when they say "angry atheist".
I have to agree with the forest fire analogy. Australia had cultures going back tens of thousands of years before the Bible turned up and caused a forest fire which destroyed all their culture. Now, they only have the weeds of that culture. The same happened in the Americas and central Africa. Swap the word "atheism" for "theism", and he's spot on. Saying atheism is dying is wrong. A recent study here in the UK showed more than 50% are atheists, so hopefully, we're seeing a rapid decline in stone-aged beliefs. He can go crying to his skydaddy and his zombie son for all I care.
I became an atheist after examining the beliefs that I was indoctrinated into from childhood. When I found the claims lacking, I could no longer lie to myself.
My response to the atheist game: I'm an atheist and have always been an atheist, because I've never been presented with evidence that comes close to justifying belief in a god. On the contrary, I've seen evidence that has lead me to the conclusion that specific gods don't exist and that gods in general are unlikely
I became an Atheist when I finished reading the Bible. I have empathy for those that still believe, but I am unable to force some sort of belief just because i fear death.
Man! When a malignant narcissist and sociopath gets mad …
A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, there used to be a version of Christianity where lying was wrong.
Woah! Stop with the fairy tales there! Typical atheist, making unfounded statements about a religion... 😉
In the US it got too entwined with politics, with the inevitable result that politicians became preachier and preachers more hypocritical.
Oh it started way before then when certain anti-intelelctual chrisitans decided that reality had to be reshaped to fit their erroneous view of the bible
“lying was wrong”
That doesn’t date very well after the high priest of “new atheism” Sam Harris actually openly admitted he would LIE to prevent the democratic due process if he deemed someone “AN EXISTENTIAL THREAT” - yes?
Moreover, how about supporting your statement with actual arguments instead of employing the logical fallacy of argumentation through assertion - yes? It’s rather dishonest.
I rest my case!!
I lived in a Christian household during 9/11, and also lived with atheists at home, school and yes, even at church. You know what the big difference was? They acknowledged the attacks were by extremists and, while sad, weren't grounds for mass destruction of entire peoples under the guise of "patriotism" and "Christian love." Meanwhile at home, one of my friend's families were ostracized, bullied and attacked simply because they were Muslim. It got to the point that one day, my friend just never came back to school, and when I went to his house, his garage was painted with words I don't want to repeat and his windows broken. He and his family had to abandon their home and jobs and leave because of "Christian love" being sent their way from the Baptist Church down the street.
Also the "Christianity protects you from Islam" thing... Seriously???? Spreading that phobic argument around?? As I previously said in my personal story... Do you not see how that type of thinking is especially toxic to people who just want to live their lives???
“Christian love being sent their way”
“The big difference was”
“atheists”
“acknowledged the attacks were by extremists”
Is that actually true with a capital T or was it just your generalisation about all Christians talking? I’ll wait!! Isn’t it strange that you conveniently do not subscribe to the truism that a person is rightly judged by their actions not by their affiliation only when it comes to Christians - yes?
By the way, you just totally and utterly refuted yourself!! Your “proof” and generalisation that “Christian love” led to the persecution of lots of Muslims after 9/11, and that you atheists were the only ones not tarring everyone with the same brush because you’re all so “tolerant” and “loving”, is just laughable and beyond ironic given the triumphalism and vitriol against all religious expression by new atheists after 9/11 - right?
Moreover, your very ironic virtue signalling about tolerance whilst tarring all Christian’s with the same brush was a self own on multiple levels and is nothing more substantive than anecdotal “evidence” with a sample size of ONE!!
CRINGE ATHEISM in full effect!!
I speak out about Christianity because I actually can see the harm it does to family, friends, and society. So I guess, according to David Wood, that’s OK.
15:47 He is so close! What he says atheism is doing is actually what Christianity has been doing for almost 2 millennia
Dead? Not in civilized countries like Sweden, Norway, etc.
It's not even dead in _uncivilized_ countries like basically anywhere in the Middle East, North Korea, or the USA, either.
Yes but murrikkkan fundies would love "christian" sharia law...
@@EdwardHowton The fact that atheism is punishable by execution in certain countries does give atheists an incentive to be very quiet.
@@condorboss3339 Yeah. Quiet, but still there.
Saying otherwise is kind of like trying to reduce the crime rate to zero by just cancelling all laws.
Was 2015 a good year for bot account creation? Just wondering.
Belgium. More then 55%
What enrages me is how religious people will act like a person's beliefs doesn't impact anything other than that person, and then they'll turn around and whip people into a fervor to impact ALL KINDS of political decisions which will effect the rest of us.
Your beliefs impact everyone around you, and many people who aren't around you. Therefore, you have a moral responsibility to ensure that your beliefs are founded on rational thinking.
12:22 "...or did another atheist promise you'd be smarter?"
I didn't even know what an atheist was when I realised I had stopped believing in God. There was no-one there to promise me anything; there was no-one in my life who voiced an opinion in favour of atheism (and this was all before Arpanet even became the Internet, let alone incorporated the invention of the WWW).
All I did was realise that the bible was unreliable and that, as far as I could tell, the claims of Christianity about its god and an afterlife were functionally indistinguishable from the claims of other religions about Zeus or Vishnu or Buddha. That's still my position today, half a century later. This person, the Liar Formerly Known As David, could readily change my mind if he had good, solid evidence to present, but instead he spends his time wittering on about people saying daft things that he personally doesn't like. That's quite telling, I think. (Also he needs to be reminded that Jesus reportedly had a few things to say about behaviour like David's: motes and beams, old son, motes and beams.)
6:17 idk how someone who lives in the US can possibly sit there and talk as if religion influencing politics is some foreign thing.....bruh
Sky Daddy Sky Daddy Sky Daddy Sky Daddy Sky Daddy! 😝
Oh those wascawy wabbits!
We could make a song about that. It does have a ring to it. 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
@@MrCanis4 📝 I might have to mix it into my stuff one of these nights 😄
“Sky daddy, sky daddy, sky daddy”
Words like easily triggered, narcissistic, lame and projection come to mind when listening to militant APEISTS enthusiastically chant their favourite mantra!!
Militant atheism is a walking ball of self contradiction and cognitive dissonance!!
Per a 2018 article at Pew that draws from 2014 and 2017 Pew Research center surveys:
1. About 23% of adults who were raised as Muslim in the USA no longer identify as Muslim.
2. Roughly the same number (23-24%) of adult Muslims in the USA converted to Islam rather than being raised in it.
3. Of the former Muslims, 55% associate with "no religion, not a believer, agnostic, or atheist."
4. Of the Muslim converts, 19% identify as being formerly "no religion, not a believer, agnostic, or atheist."
So by the conversion rates, one is almost 3x more likely to go from Muslim to atheist than from atheist to Muslim.
But it gets even worse for this... gentleman.
5. Of the former Muslims, 22% converted to Christianity.
6. Of the current adults who converted to Islam, 77% were formerly Christians.
So the conversion rate of Christian->Muslim is over 3x the conversion rate of Muslim->Christian.
A current Muslim convert is over 4x more likely to have been a Christian previously than an atheist. A person who leaves Islam is over 2.8x as likely to become an atheist than a Christian.
If this... gentleman is worried about the dangers of Islam, his best defense would be to spread atheism.
Nope!! Look up cherry picking fallacy. The fact is that according to Dr Duane Alexander Miller, who has studied religious conversion from Islam to Christianity and the shari'a's horrific treatment of apostates, and also has published research on Christian missionaries in the Ottoman Empire….
“Around the world people are leaving Islam for Christianity in unprecedented numbers.” [Dr Duane Alexander Miller].
Furthermore, it gets even worse for Islam because In an interview at Al Jazeera , Sheikh Ahmad al Katani confirmed Dr Millers research and stated that in Africa alone…
“Because of the Christian missionaries every hour Islam loses 667 Muslims [who] convert to Christianity, every day 16,000, [and] every year six million" [Abdallah]
No love like christian hate
And basically with every religion
That's the wrong way round jc...
Exactly!! There is nothing quite as self congratulatory, triggered, narcissistic, whiney and vindictive as online atheism.
There is no HATRED quite like so called LEFT WING “LIBERAL”, ATHEISTIC LOVE”.
Militant atheism, that is the left wing THOUGHT POLICE are a walking ball of self contradiction and cognitive dissonance!!
an angry theist rants against atheism without knowing what atheism is, I am shocked /s
My sister works for the DNR. She thinks his forest fire analogy is stupid. Guy couldn't even get something like that right and he expects us to bow down to his wisdom on much more complex topics.
People who think they know everything about a certain topic really don't know anything about it!
Hahaha before reading this I just posted a comment about how the tree analogy is good actually cuz controlled burns keep forests healthy by letting new healthy trees access resources and sunlight that old sick trees and dense underbrush hog (especially true in coniferous rain forests like where I live) while preventing unnecessary loss of life, so atheism is like a controlled burn and that's a good thing XD glad I wasnt the only one who spotted that
The sad thing is Christians seem to be unable to see that they are NOT the end all and be all of culture in the world. In fact, globally speaking, Christianity is the MINORITY religion on Earth. Sure, the largest single religion is Christianity, but it is only 31% of the world's population. 79% of the world is something else, including Atheist.
I can see why. Guy clearly has 0 experience with or knowledge forest fires and how they affect nature. Chances are, if Christianity gets burned out entirely, it was itself an invasive weed.
@@Llortnerof Yeah, the "invasive weed" that built your country from the ground up. Also, he said "analogy", go search up what it means! He didn't mean to say that forest fires are bad for an ecosystem, but rather used it to set an example. Your stubbornness to accept the thruth just makes you look like a fool.
atheist here. i didnt even know any other atheists or at least any 2 of us didnt know the other existed. i spent half my life until that point either being brainwashed as a smallchild or deconstructing the indoctrination all on my own with every once in a while having an agnostic convo with freinds. it wasnt until i started watching AronRa and Matt Dilahunty that i first learned the word atheist and you what the main thing they taught me back in 2011, its ok to say i dont know. its when you feel you must have an answer that you deceive yourself. so literally one of the main things atheism was talking about back them was admitting when your werent smart enough to answer that question. and the important part was find reality, not a comforting fable
I was alive and an atheist in 1985. I would have thought that was hilarious.
Is he going to mention McVeigh or Koresh? Or abortion?
For the first time in Scotlands census, the majority of people said they had no religion.
A total of 51.1% in Scotland’s Census 2022 responded ‘no religion’ - up from 36.7% in 2011. ‘No religion’ was the most common response in almost every council area in Scotland
Ex-Christian atheists are a very specific BRAND of atheists. Many of us were never religious to begin with.
Like Me. 62 years.
Yep, indeed. I can't say for sure that I never believed to _some_ small degree, but I do remember that I put the biblical god into the same "myth" category as dragons and magical artifacts _very_ quickly in my childhood (around 6-8 or so) when I read some collection of Germanic and Nordic myths. Never was presented with any good evidence for either, and the myths were _so_ much more fun to read about 😄
@@MrCanis4 Comerade.
@@Wolf-ln1mlSame story here, only it was Greek mythology for me.
@@Wolf-ln1ml You're baseing your whole life based on a decision 8 year-old you made? Doesn't seem smart or thoughtful to me.
I take great pride in saying that i was on the recieving end of an angry comment and blocking from David Wood.
The comment that recieved it was trivial.
All i had said was "i cant do tgese 3 to 4 hour long videos. They are 98% talking about irrelevant things to the subject."
And he replied calling me a narcissist for wanting everyone to do what i want. And told me he was blocking me after typing this.
But..... about a week before that i had commented on a video, i cant remember the exact comment, but i think it was something along the lines of him being able to be rational and laugh at silly things from other religions, but not do the same with his own religion.
It gained about 150 replies, so a fairly popular comment thread.
Then a week later i get told off and blocked for saying i dont like long format videos.
His god must be incredibly weak, if she can be so easily beaten by us non believers :) .
" _When I was walking up the stair_
_I met a god who wasn't there_
_He wasn't there again today_
_I wish that god would go away_ "
(Apologies to Hughes Mearns)
Why would you mis-gender God, yet when someone else does it to a transgender person it's considered a huge insult? Also, beaten? That's like for me to say that Stars aren't real and when someone goes to explain to me why they do, infact, exsist i just plug my ears with my pinky fingers and start yelling "LALALALALALALALALALALA!!!". Seems like something a child would do, not a grown adult male.
@@masked_12
Your total inability to prove the existence of your chosen god is NOT my fault, kiddo.
It's gender remains unknown, regardless of your claims, so it is a she, unless you can prove otherwise.
As for children VS adults, it is childish to assert that a god exists, without proving it!
@@CNCmachiningisfun I could try to give you some proof according to which I live my life, but what's the point in that? If you truly wanted to humbly discuss God I'd be more than glad to do so! But I have a feeling that's not what you strive for.
Also, calling me a "kid" (even though we're on the internet, and unless you're educated on the internet enough to know who I truly am, I could be a 90 year old grandpa for as long as you know!) just to insult me doesn't really make you look good in this argument.
The debate of religion is something that we should have a serious and respectful aproach to, not insult one another.
Peace be with you!
@@masked_12
If your god existed, she would have given you the resources to prove it, but she hasn't.
If she existed, she would have already proven it to all of us, but she hasn't.
Stop blaming me for her, and your, failures!
"If you meet Buddha on the road, kill him."
I was actually at a Christian college taking a philosophy course when I realized I was an atheist and had been for a while.
I tore down my preconceptions and analyzed my beliefs. My conclusion was that I had no reason, no logic, no valid evidence that merrited the belief in god.
"Let me make up my own facts so I can "demonstrate" that atheism is bad!"
As if moral subjectivist’s and relativists don’t make up their own “facts” - yes? The fact is that under a strictly reductive materialism, atheism or philosophical naturalism it’s all man made isn’t it? LOL just live it out - right? You can’t not even for a second. Your own engagement in debate is your own circular refutation!!
Listening to militant atheists unwittingly pontificating about metaphysical realities such as “FACTS” and ultimate “TRUTH” and “VALUE” whilst subscribing to the belief that we are all nothing more substantive than ULTIMATELY MEANINGLESS, HOLLOW AND SOULLESS APES WHO SHARE HALF THEIR DNA WITH A POTATO IS PRICELESS!!
Love how he mentions that the "rise of atheism" caused "irreparable harm" without ever mentioning what harm it caused.
Even Richard Dawkins admits it did harm straw manning and ripping down moderate Christianity after 9/11 - right?
The fact is that even Richard Dawkins recently had an epiphany regarding Christianity - yes? Richard Dawkins actually admitted that Christianity has historically acted as a bulwark against something much more sinister for centuries! The fact is that according to the so called “high priest” of new atheism Richard Dawkins…
“It seems to me that Christianity is a fundamentally decent religion” [Richard Dawkins: Author of the God delusion].
Dawkins also recently admitted that whilst he does not personally follow the tenets of the Christian faith he: “Liked living in a culturally Christian country” [Richard Dawkins].
Moreover, when faced with the prospect of either Islamic sharia law or the atheistic, left wing THOUGHT POLICE being forced down peoples throats in modern day Britain Dawkins actually stated…
“In Africa especially, maybe Christianity is a better alternative. It may be that it’s no good trying to preach atheism in Africa. Christianity might be a better alternative” [Richard Dawkins]. Wow!!
The fact is that Richard Dawkins is a world wide respected scientist and a prominent ANTI THEIST who is now promoting Christianity!! That is he’s encouraging THEISM as a fundamentally positive cultural option - yes?
Furthermore, Dawkins now realises that Christianity when lived out consistently with Christs teachings is fundamentally a decent religion and a force for good against the tsunami of Islamic apartheid and sharia law that’s coming ~ right? Not to mention the tsunami of left wing THOUGHT POLICE that now dominates the media including RUclips - yes?
I never thought I’d EVER LIVE to hear the high priest of “new atheism” Richard Dawkins actually admit that he PREFERS CHRISTIANITY to both an Islamic culture and a left wing atheistic culture!!
David Wood talks about this harm done at great length with his friend apostate prophet in other videos - right?
We need to put out a series of terrible strawman movies called "Atheism's (not) dead". That will fix the problem
Those would be some good parody movies. They could make fun of all the religious movie tropes. But the religious folks probably wouldn't understand that it's a parody of their movies.
All I heard was a guy trying to project his and his religion's problems onto others and crying about the fact that more and more people don't take his fairy tales seriously anymore.
Why should I discuss atheism with my 1985 self? Totally mundane topic. That sports almanac on the other hand...
Thats not just projection, thats a whole cinema.
Edit: Also David, your forrest fire analogy. There are some forrest were fire are part of the ecosystems. Without them there would grow nothing.
on behalf of all atheists, I am SOOOOOO sorry that religious people often seem unsmart when they believe in DEMONSTRABLY idiotic ideas.
I am also sorry that we use science while you guys don't. Very sorry about that.
I mean, we don't have to pretend to be smart, you do the job for us.
I became atheist due to two things. One i was kicked out of my church for asking questions. Then I started doing religious studies in college and found how every world religion is essentially the same.
Yep. They all teach a version of the Golden Rule- as does Secular Humanism.
Forest fires are a necessary part of a healthy ecosystem. Just sayin'.
I was thinking the exact same thing. No forest fires means stagnation and rot.
Oh wait ...
Ain't it weird that pretty much everything David accuses atheism (or the atheist movement) of can be applied just as adequately to Christianity? But he will never admit that, because that would require self-reflection which is something that this particular type of Christian clearly lacks.
He raises a really interesting question. If Atheism is so powerful that it's able to destroy Christianity, but so weak that it cannot do a single thing against Islam, then how in the heck is Christianity defending against Islam? Very interesting argument you've accidentally created David.
I was never a theist. While other people were being indoctrinated around me, I just didn’t think it made sense. I was an atheist for at least 20 years before I had any discussions with someone about atheism in any fashion.
The 1985 atheist, me, is going to first ask , "social media?,".
Yeah, it's weird how few atheists there were on RUclips in the '80s, must be something new 😂
@@wilhelmschmidt7240I remember hooking up my 300 baud modem an downloading those early RUclips videos. I think the first one will be done tomorrow.
PS I do actually remember using a faster modem to download pictures and letting it run all night to finish the one picture.
@@wilhelmschmidt7240 I hope you are joking as RUclips did not exist until early 2000s.
@@Thirdbase9 "Up all night and you'd see eight women..." 🤣
(bonus points for anyone who gets the reference 😊)
We had the same arguments on bulletin board systems long before the Internet was available for commercial use.
I love David's comparison between Christianity and crystal woo. That was very self aware
The mental equivalent of "If nobody moves, nobody gets hurt."
I love that his friend on a ledge with the crystal implies that Christianity is an irrational belief to the desperate
My sky daddy is an absentee parent. He never rings or even writes. He might as well not exist.
Well, that's at least an improvement over his abuser past.
@@Llortnerof Since God is perfect, He's also unchanging. Read in context. Study carefully.
Honest question: have you ever sat down to carefully read and study the Bible? If you're going to answer please say either "yes" or "no", as anything in between would be lying.
@@masked_12 yes. Best recruitment device for atheism there is.
@@masked_12 Well, then your god can't be perfect because according to the Bible, it *has* changed.
To answer your question, no atheist ever proselytized me, or promised I would be smarter. What happened is that through a number of circumstances, after 43 years in the Baptist Church, I became disillusioned with religion as practiced by those around me, so I went looking for God more earnestly and honestly than I ever had before, and slowly realized there was no god. That was it; I realized that I did not believe, almost entirely on my own. It was well after this that I encountered atheist Tubers like yourself, Paulogia, Seth Andrews, the Genetically Modified Skeptic and others whose stories sounded a lot like mine and made me understand it was okay to admit my unbelief and there was nothing scary about the word "atheist".
31:21 Actually it looks like we're tired of pretentious pricks telling us they know what's in our minds better than we do...
_Like David saying that we're in rebellion against Jesus, and that it's just like you said all along._
And calling us clowns. 32:44
The guy should have thought a bit more about his forest fire analogy. Forest fires are actually useful for the forest as a whole, it gets rid of flammable materials, making room for new growth. Actively fighting forest fire makes the danger actually greater. Flammable material piles up until the fataful forest fire that can't be stopped burns down the whole forest, wiping it out.
That's what I was thinking too. What grows after a forest fire? More trees!
Not to mention meany plants NEED fire to reproduce! We have no shortage of such species here in Australia. Some of them even have the germination of their seeds triggered by exposure to the chemicals in smoke from a bushfire.
This guy sounds extremely angry. He comes across as desperate. He knows atheism is still expanding. He needs to be more Christian and stop lying and hating.
5:15 "Fun new arguments..." - He still doesn't get it. Atheists like myself aren't interested in arguments for the existence of god. We're interested in _evidence._
11:30 How many times does it have to be said? Atheism is not a "world view". Please stop strawmanning.
12:45 I don't care what "roles religion plays in society". I'm interested in an accurate understanding of physical reality, because _misunderstanding_ physical reality is a straight line to doing stupid things that cause people to die. It's a survival prerogative to try to understand the environment correctly, and religion runs _against_ that. Example: It teaches us things like that we can change physical reality for the better through prayer. Nope. Doesn't work and misleads people into not getting medical help for their children.
13:08 Re. rabbits - Humans have always made mistakes. Yes, this was a mistake. It was an easy one to make because rabbits are a very convenient source of animal protein on a homestead in a challenging environment. For early settlers without the ecological knowledge to understand the consequences, bringing rabbits made sense. But science is all about learning from our mistakes. Ecology exists as a field of scientific study because we've made mistakes and it gives us a framework in which to deepen our understanding of Nature. By the way, where in the Bible does it tell us not to bring rabbits to Australia? I'll add one more thing. Most of those early Australians with the rabbits were probably self-described Christians.