The big problem atheism has is that it is constantly being criticized and derided by theist idiots who don't even understand the meaning of the word they are using.
That's because their intended audience is other theists, not atheists. The point of videos like Mr Arena's is to shore up any floundering faith that those people might be feeling, to keep their souls sparkly clean and all ready for Jesus to harvest.
The big proiblem atheism has is that truckload of christian morals relabeled as humanism. Why do you tolerate their BS while you know they're idiots? You have the amoral (neither moral nor immoral) high ground, use it to your advantage.
Atheists are people who still believe in God but are just mad at him. That is most believers definition. Why they mostly just start at a "god is true" position if they ever even do speak to an atheist, because in their minds, that's where everyone is.
@@RichWoods23 The problem with that is that those theists then discovering people like Mr Arena lied to them only makes them fall from faith faster. Turns out strength of faith is largely dependent on having good religious role models. And free drugs before services.
@@AJ_Jingco no its not...like most things theist say that makes no sense. Owning a person is owning a person. The bible even gives instructions on how to beat slaves and how to trick a slave into life enslavement.
The problem with atheism is that it doesn't offer a post mortem eternal fantasy land where you'll FINALLY be _happy_ for ever and ever! It just offers _reality!_
Atheism is lack of belief in gods, not lack of belief in some sort of afterlife. The existence of gods does not seem necessary for this life on this earth. Why would it be necessary for afterlife in a godless Elysium?
@@robinharwood5044 _Most_ believers in religion are in it only for some sort of afterlife as a 'reward' for their belief! Take away this idea of an afterlife and religion would quickly go the way of the Dodo!
His point was the oft debunked "objective morality" argument. Tired, lame, and pathetic. But at least we got to hear the Skep Tick have fun tearing it down.
So, he names all four 'Horsemen', then says, "Those are three of the four..." after oddly dismissing Dennett. This kid has only just learned of these guys. This is evident by him referring to "Stephen Hitchens" and then correcting himself. He appears to struggle with getting people's names right and that's not a good start if you are going to then criticize their positions; that's incredibly rude and dismissive! Such behaviour could never be deemed to comport with 1 Peter 3:15. It's just not how apologetics is taught in the Bible. He's seen a few debates online featuring Hitchens and Stephen Fry and then gone on to conduct the most cursory of research. He failed. He doesn't even understand the basics of hermeneutics, epistemology or logic in general. If this guy is a Pastor, then they must be giving out those titles free with every McDonald's Happy Meal.
Watch some of his other videos. He says a LOT. He absolutely HATES women, despises Jewish people, and thinks that Atheists are turning everyone into transgender sinners. Oh, and he thinks that the world is ending soon because the LGBTQA+ community succeeded in their Satanic plan to open up a gateway to Hell.
I have to admit the difference between "I believe god does not exist" and "I don't believe god exists" is not obvious but it IS there and atheists have explained it concisely many (many) times... sigh
@@MikeTMike a belief that God doesn’t exist due to not enough evidence or proof of.. A not true statement considering Atheists find God themselves but oh well..
I was just watching Bart Erhman talking about contradictions between the gospel accounts, in this case, Gyrus' daughter, in one gospel it says she was already dead, and he raise her, but the other gospel it just says she was dying. They can't both be true, obviously, but it's interesting what Christians will say to reconcile this and others like it.
your religious empty toxic sick cult called atheism will be over soon and none will even remember it existed. you got nothing positive here, all negative, for sure the obsession and the frustration about God and religions..... you have many problems and negative things there... what a nosense cult
I feel like I'm watching a straight C high school student read his essay where he had just a few points but needed to stretch it out to 10 pages. Even worse, when he actually does make a point it's so mind numbingly stupid it just makes me annoyed that he wasted out time with these broken fragments of apologetic arguments. This poor guy lives at the bottom of the barrel but thinks he's the king frog in the well.
You sure he's a straight C student? He sounds like if all of his grades were put together to form just one word, it would sound something like this: "FFFFF-Duh."
... nail on head. Thats exactly what we are looking at. Literally the only thing that seperates this guy from your description is his age. You'd think in the intervening 20/30 years he'd have sharpened up but nah.
For the store analogy to even start to be comparable, the customers involved would have to be toddlers ( _in adult bodies)_, their Dad left them unattended, instead of fruit it'd be cookies, and for some reason there's a shady guy in a trenchcoat telling them it's okay to eat the cookies. 🍪🍪🍪
According to the story Adam and Eve had no way to know they shouldn't eat the tree because they didn't know right from wrong yet. Sure, God told them not to do it, but they had no way to know it would be wrong to disobey God because... they didn't know right from wrong until they ate the fruit.
That's god, doing everything ass backwards, creating the Earth before he created the sun, creating sin but not explaining what sin is and/or it's consequences to people who don't know what sin is.
@@0Idskuul Then it's a good thing I'm not pulling information from the bible to support atheist beliefs. I'm pulling information from the bible to comment on Christian beliefs. Very different. I don't need to believe a story is real to think it's a dumb story, and I don't need to believe a character is real to judge the actions they take within the story.
They're meant to obey their creator because he's in a position of authority. Just like you're meant to obey your father/elder/master/king because he (and it's nearly always he) is your natural superior. People stepping out of their "natural" place in the hierarchy is the cause of all the world's problems. The Abrahamic scriptures are apologies for authoritarianism written by authoritarians on behalf of authoritarians. The teachings of Jesus, at least, are more subversive, but still can't quite make a clean break from their authoritarian roots. Most organized religions are at their core merely rationalizations for acceptance and submission to the status quo. Atheist philosophies can, of course, also rationalize and justify authoritarianism (Hitler and Stalin were atheists, the former exploiting the authoritarian and reactionary inclinations of religious institutions to gain and maintain power, with the ultimate goal of purging them and replacing obedience to God with obedience to the "natural" hierarchy as revealed by the Nazi state), but not without suppressing skepticism and curiosity, which are usually what lead one to break with religion and superstition in the first place.
19:55 What's happening in the MIddle East - specifically between Israel and Gaza - is that two groups of people _WHO BELIEVE IN THE SAME GOD THIS GUY DOES_ are fighting because the other group doesn't believe in that god the correct way.
God didn't tell Adam (and by extention Eve) not to look at the fruit, or not to take the fruit, but not to EAT the fruit. When he saw that Eve had taken the fruit He could, like the supermarket manager, have stopped Eve at the Eden Groceries' checkout and reminded her that she was not allowed to eat it. But no! He let her leave and rubbed his hands at the thought of having an excuse to curse mankind forever. Go God! What a badass dude!
It annoys me that some people who wanted to pretend they were on the fence co-opted the word agnostic. I don't even think that was what Huxley meant when he used the word. Now we have people who use the term to mean they're still deciding which gods to worship?
@@DJH316007, I was making a joke by referencing _Pretzel Logic_ . My jokes sometimes miss the mark, and I apologize for that. On the other hand, if SkepTick is going to bring us to circle around the idea that _he's_ a god, I'm sure Lisa will have some words with him. And I don't know about you, but I'd _hate_ to have a giraffe leaving "presents" on _my_ kitchen floor! _Especially_ if they're the kind that expand into a new universe!
your religious empty toxic sick cult called atheism will be over soon and none will even remember it existed. you got nothing positive here, all negative, for sure the obsession and the frustration about God and religions..... you have many problems and negative things there... what a nosense cult..
If there such a thing as atheism. I mean there are people who are left-handed, but we don’t group into “left-handedism”. The ISM suggest there’s a sort of manifesto or common non-belief system. So for me, when the theists address atheism in their rants they just attack windmills ….
@@SoundbrigadeAtheism.. the belief in no God or not enough evidence for God. Some of you Atheists think it’s difficult to understand you and it isn’t at all.
@@davidrexford586 We atheists comes in different shapes, colours and sizes, but we all lack a belief in any god. I don't see that as complicated in comparison to catholics, lutherans, baptists, methodists, episcopalians, seventh day adventists, JVs, mormons, pentecostals ... We atheists answer one and only one question: Do we believe in the existence of a deity? And our answer is: No!
There are Christians that believe Jesus was eternal. Don't ask me to justify it though. They also like to say the serpent was Satan, along with a laundry list of things the bible doesn't really say.
talked about "god said not to eat this one fruit", completely skipping over that god lied because he said if they ate it they would die within the day; which they didn't. Yeah, thats part of the piss poor morality we are talking about.
Our friends supermarket story completely forgets that A&E had no knowledge of good and evil ta that point and they couldn't make a value judgement when going down the forbidden aisle.
They always make that error. Even when you explain it to them at length. There's like forty separate Line videos that are basically trying to explain to the caller this simple premise and caller just not getting it. Which is amazing, because you'd think that if anyone COULD grasp this, it'd be someone with basically as much schooling as Adam and Eve.
1:57 That there is no god is not a “belief”, it is a demonstrable objective fact. Every time they actually dare to define what they mean by “god”, they invariably define something that cannot exist. And if they don’t care to define what a “god” is, it is not even possible to consider the question. 😂
I'm an atheist but I do understand what bronze and iron age humans (like those who wrote the bible) meant by gods: anything worshiped by humans is a god. This primitive understanding of divinity is the bane of noncognitivism. You make an idol out of a statue by worshiping it, the more worship a divinity receives the more powerful they become and that's why you shouldn't worship foreign gods, etc.
@@Nexus-jg7ev In my dictionaries (I speak other languages other than English, which is my second language), belief and knowledge are different, just like the difference between atheism and agnosticism that is pointed to in this video. As soon as evidence is sufficient to call something « knowledge » (episteme if you will) it is no longer necessary to employ « belief » (or doxa). The ambiguity that the connotations of the word « belief » in English introduces is absent in many other languages.
@@martinnyberg6882 If you know something, you also believe it. You cannot know something and not believe that it is true. Belief is part of knowledge. Belief alone doesn't consistute knowledge, sure, but knowledge is not belief-free either. To say that a person who knows everything has no beliefs would be ridiculous.
2 hours? How? Must be nice to be able to blather on and on and on, making no coherent points, and not have your own mind screaming at you that you're speaking nonsense in circles. We didn't even get a full 20 minutes of this guy and it gave me a headache. I'd lose my mind trying to listen to this for two freaking hours. Holy crap.
I mean that's basically every sermon I ever listened to. Two hours of rambling nonsense we've heard hundreds of times. I got so bored with that nonsense I actually took the time in church to read the Bible...which is what led to my deconversion.
I hate how so many people misdefine agnosticism. Agnosticism does not mean that someone is spiritual but they just haven't chosen a god yet, agnosticism is just saying "i don't know" to the question of "is there a god/gods". An agnostic can say that they don't believe in a god because agnosticism has nothing to do with belief
Exactly! For example, an agnostic atheist is a person who doesn't know whether any deities exist, and they don't believe any deities exist. An agnostic theist is a person who doesn't know whether any deities exist, and they do believe at least one deity exists. Also, imho, anyone who claims to be a gnostic theist or a gnostic atheist is being dishonest about the gnostic part. (Not to be confused with Gnostics, with a capital G. People who believe in the pursuit of knowledge, often "secret" knowledge. The type of knowledge depends on which type of Gnostic they are, Jewish Gnostics, Christian Gnostics, Greek Gnostics, etc.)
The problem with the way you phrased this is that regardless of whether gods actually exist, "do you believe in a god" is a yes or no question. There is no third option, there is no maybe. If the answer is yes, you are a theist. If the answer is NOT yes, you are an Atheist. The candle either burns or it doesn't. Agnostic is not something you are about a question, but an answer. A theist would say that there is a god. An honest theist would have to say that they believe this without absolute knowledge, since all accounts of said god are third or fourth or fifth hand accounts, making all but the smallest numbers of theists necessarily "agnostic theists". SImilarily, all atheists are necessarily agnostic, since one cannot affirm the non existence of a hidden god. Agnosticism comes into play AFTER you have taken a position.
In the supermarket analogy, I guess it may depend on what the owner put in the forbidden aisle. If that’s where he put all the chocolate, _I’m going down that aisle!_
Think of the supermarket story being more of a huge children's toy store where the children can grab any toy the want, no adult supervision needed, they just can not go down the gun isle that has fully armed weapons within reach. Do we blame the children, or do we blame the store for the harm that comes from this ?
@@keithwhitehead4897You just described literally every Walmart in America. Seriously, the gun section is invariably placed right in the center between the sports section, the toy section, and the video game section.
@@solomonverrico That last sentence is certainly true, and I remember growing up around one nearly 30 years ago. That said, Walmart is the biggest gun retailer in the US and sells more guns than anyone else (no exaggeration there at all - even the FBI and ATF determined that).
There is no atrocity in the Bible - from 1Samuel 15 : 3 through 2Kings 2 : 18-24 and on to Judges 11 : 30-40 - that you cannot find an apologist willing to gloss over and justify it.
Not when your view is that nothing God says or does is immoral. God is the creator of morality in their view, so even though we feel slavery is immoral we are wrong. I hear the same stuff from Christians who only find homosexuality immoral because they think God says so. I have heard from ones who say they personally don't understand why God has a problem with it, but because God apparently does then it must be immoral. His ways are better than ours etc.
@@brianharper1611 It's strange that we all judge whether they are evil by their actions. We don't do that with God. God is good just like that, no matter what he does. It's absurd.
For real, Christians I've talked to always say something like, "But after Jesus bla bla, the Old Testament doesn't apply anymore." I have no idea how that defeats the argument of god being evil…
I understand your point, but don't quite agree. If an atheist is someone who does not accept the claim that a god exists, the atheist would have to have some God concept to evaluate to not accept. In that sense, a baby would not be an atheist, nor would a cat, nor would a piano. It would be like calling a rainbow bald because it doesn't have hair. Absolutely correct, yet absolutely useless.
@matthewharrison7127 Im saying we're all born with no concept of god or anything theistic until indoctrination. The problem is the word "athiest", it doesn't truly describe us who remain the way we all come into the world regarding god. "Athiest" is only necessary to communicate with those who confuse popular consensus for truth or fact. There really should be no need to deny god if everyone was more logical about it. No one is born a pianist, but do those who haven't learned to play piano walk around labeling themselves apianists? Nope. athiest is only useful to deny assumptions rooted in following and popular belief. Unfortunately, a slim minority acknowledges this, hence why we're somewhat forced to use the term.
Christians have no moral system. They only promote slavish obedience to the commands of a murderous, torturing, imaginary dictator. Obedience is NOT morality. Morality can only exist, when you start to think and decide for yourself. When a god commands you to kill, and you obey, you are not being moral, you are just being a tool.
If God didn't want Adam & Eve eating a certain fruit, then He should never have put the fruit there. That's God's fault, not Eve's. This bloke also complains about the modern technologies (the internet, etc.), that atheists used to broadcast their messages, yet this guy is using the same technologies to get his religious messages across. I would wonder how it is that a guy with the name of Israel would be a Christian except that my name is Jesse=Jesus. Wow! An atheist named Jesus!
I can never listen to an apologist like this and think they really believe all the sht they’re pushing. He’s making too much effort to hit every fallacy on the board.
Ah, from the thumbnail i wondered if you found the man with the most ridiculous beard, but when i got in i saw it was his mic. Atheism cannot really have a problem for one reason: Unless the Theist can PROVE "God did it", then they have the same "issue" as the Atheist, and added on top of that they have the problem of needing to prove their assertion of God. Also, I'd say that you can't really prove an Atheist to be wrong as it's just "I don't believe in any Gods". If Theist would prove God, they wouldn't prove us wrong, they would prove it wrong to keep being an Atheist after that. 🙂
Why is an African talking about THE Bible? It is the religious writings of a specific culture appropriated by the conquering Romans who spread it far and wide as a help in keeping the conquered people in line and not revolting. The colonized and conquered peoples have their own gods.
Israel God told them essentially it would be evil for them to eat the fruit. WITHOUT LETTING THEM KNOW WHAT IS EVIL! Then he let a talking snake who may have been the real God for all they know tell them that dude who said that lied and just doesn't want you knowing what he knows. Which it turns out was TRUE.
Gonna be completely honest, these moral arguments are all so similar I actually wound up blanking out during this video. Sorry I couldn't give you more respect Tick.
The problem I have with his supermarket analogy is that Adam & Eve had no knowledge of good & evil until after eating the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge, so how could they know that following rules was good and that breaking them was wrong? I think a better analogy would be someone fluent in English but with no knowledge of Hungarian going to a library and the librarian says in English "You can read every book in this building" but then adds in Hungarian "except the Hungarian to English dictionary". Without reading that book to translate the second part they can't know that they aren't to read that book.
so... a god puts a rule in place it knows for certain the victim cannot obey, because to understand it's wrong to break a rule they have to learn about good and evil which requires breaking the rule... and he think the victim is the baddy? And it didn't say "you can't come back in here" in the story, it cursed all life for eternity and sends all humans to hell by default, with a made up excuse, that's not setting boundaries, that's abuse.
your religious empty toxic sick cult called atheism will be over soon and none will even remember it existed. you got nothing positive here, all negative, for sure the obsession and the frustration about God and religions..... you have many problems and negative things there... what a nosense cult..
Not sure a supermarket would install and stock an aisle of delicious food that it didn’t want people to buy. Then again, they probably don’t have God’s sense of humor.
your religious empty toxic sick cult called atheism will be over soon and none will even remember it existed. you got nothing positive here, all negative, for sure the obsession and the frustration about God and religions..... you have many problems and negative things there... what a nosense cult.
I love how he acts as if adam and eve were fully functioning humans in the 21st century. Morally, it's wrong to make 2 people then tempt them, knowing they'll fail, then curse ALL OF HUMANITY afterwards? EVERYONE? Yeah, no. Either he's an inept god or he's a monster.
So basically the right thing to do is leave your baby in the garden with the blueberry, strawberry and nightshade bushes. Say he can eat everything except the third bush. Then hide behind the fence and watch. After the baby inevitably eats from the third bush then you jump from your hiding place and mock him for how dumb he is.
If your god is too incompetent to even put a baby gate around the verboten tree, you need a new one. 🤷♂️ And what would he have done if they had already eaten from the Tree of Life, *_FIRST,_* that was NOT off limits until after it dawned on him when he'd found out they'd eaten the forbidden fruit?
To me, the Biblical story of The Garden of Eden was a metaphor for belief in and Obedience to a Deity. Do you really want to live your life under the Authoritarian Rule of someone else? If you do I know of many Countries in the world you can go and submit yourself to, you know, just to try it out for awhile. I am sure they will just let you leave if you don't like the conditions...
So, according to this person, the big problem of atheism is that atheists have morality that is made up by humans through reasoning while theists have morality that is made by humans through interpreting a book written by people quite a bit of time ago. Sure is a significant difference between morality made up by humans and morality made up by humans. Although I think I prefer the morality being made up by trying to reason about it instead of just going by something written ages ago.
Ahm... Nope. Atheist here, no problem whatsoever, in almost 60 years and counting. But I love other people telling me what my problems are and their solution to them make me laugh so hard. Live is rich and beautiful even if there is no imaginary friend in the sky.
SkepTick, are you planning on using the circles of circles thing in future? It was an interesting change of pace, but please don't use it too often: I kept expecting to see octopus arms form in the spiraling circles, with each small circle being a sucker. While I like octopuses -- I think they're the best argument _against_ "intelligent design" there could be (they have better brains, eyes and arms than we do, not to mention the _bestest_ skin imaginable!) -- I wouldn't want to watch a whole video with an octopus twirling around the screen like it was trying to hypnotize me. Did the guy you were debunking say that there's an objective standard for good and evil? I have an objective standard for evil: cats. House cats aren't mentioned in The Bible, and Christians tend to tell us that God didn't _create_ evil, despite the evidence to the contrary. But house cats . . . They're constantly doing things that _can't_ be categorized as objectively good. And if they _aren't_ mentioned in The Bible, _how did THEY come about_ ? Finally, I can prove that the Christian God actually _created_ evil, using The Bible. We'll come back to Isaiah 45:5-7 in a minute, but first, let's go to that whole Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil thing. Why would a God who knows everything, from the very beginning to the end of time, plant this tree in the garden knowing that Adam and Eve would eat that fruit? But the real giveaway is in the name of the tree: the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. This implies that God _created_ both good _and_ evil. If this god hadn't created evil in the first place, why would the fruit of this tree confer knowledge of good _and_ evil? To borrow a phrase, "That don't make sense to _NOBODY_ !" So let's go back to Isaiah for a moment and recall that in the verses cited, God actually admits He created evil! In short, this guy is _WAAAAAY_ out there. He ain't got a clue. But we should challenge Christian excusigists on the point of their God creating evil. They claim He didn't -- even though He clearly admits He did.
I have never said that Christianity (or any religion, for that matter) is or has been debunked. However, I have said many times, and still do, that it is a silly, unreasonable belief. And that it is not backed by any objective, demonstrable, verifiable evidence. Which is my minimum requirement for belief in any positive claim. This, I believe, gives me more than enough reason to reject such beliefs. However, I am willing to have my mind changed, but meer faith and a near Eastern, iron, and Bronze Age book of mythology just aren't going to cut it.
Mr Arena's points were so engaging that I dozed off. Did he actually conclude that the problem with atheism is that it doesn't have a god-defined boundary, or was I just having a particularly weird and irrational dream?
Have you heard the "Christian" version of it? They change some of the lines from "Imagine there's no heaven" to "image there's a heaven" then later "and no religion too" becomes "and one religion too". Basically they pervert a song about unity into one of exclusion or the even scarier "be Christian or else" that many American evangelicals seem to think needs to happen.
I swear, I felt brain cells dying as I struggled to follow his rambling. I couldn't follow it at all. He didn't just go off on tangents, it was nothing BUT tangents, none of which had anything to do with each other. I swear his argument might as well have been 'atheists are wrong because Islam isn't Protestant and agnostics are Christians'... it's just word salad very shakily glued together.
Which one? Supposedly there were a bunch of others, but we never find out what they were. Norse mythology makes so much more sense than Christian mythology and when it doesn--HEY LOOK FROST GIANTS
@@solomonverrico The Tree of Life. It shows up in Gen.2.9, then is forgotten in 2.17, then is somehow back in 3.22. It's like We not only have 2 creation-myth in the first 3 chapters, but 3!
@@Soundbrigade Five what? I mean aside your human-rights violation, the story has 2 trees: the tree of knowledge and the tree of life. If you say WITHIN THE FIRST 3 CHAPTERS there are 5 creation myths, please, ellaborate. I'm interrested how you found that many.
@@AmityvilleFan Five creation stories. This pastor pointed out that some where really subtle (guess that’s the correct word). My point was that the bible isn’t the most rational and consequential book in the world. I think the very first line Genesis 1:1 is the first mentioning of the creation, then you have the second mentioning a few verses later. Did I write “subtle”. I am a non-believer and the origins of the bible is a hint that this is not a “valid document to base a belief on”.
Theist: "God gave us boundaries, he made the rule. He said to Adam that eating from the fruit is wrong!" Yea, but seems that this supossed God-Thingy forgot to give Adam the knoweledge to seperate right from wrong. Anyway, that Theist was the most boring Theist i have ever seen, he takes so long, says so many words.. for just a little Point he could have easaly summed together to: "I think Atheists cant have Morals without God!"
To quote Tom Lehrer: Fred’s an intellectual. Brings a book to every meal. He likes the ‘deep’ philosophers. Like Norman Vincent Peale. This guy’s a Fred. 🤷♂️
Atheism have a big problem ? Well... Maybe, but only in his empty head. I don't regard it being chocked with prejudice as being filled. His first mistake : Atheism is not the belief that there is no god, but NOT believing in any god. Big difference, but he obviously can't make the difference. He can't, or refuse to, understand that atheism is as much a belief system as NOT collecting stamps a hobby or SLEEPING an extreme sport. So, his conclusion is : Be a theist and get imposed a «purpose» and get some «values» shoved down your throat, OR don't be a theist and be free to chose your own values and purpose.
your religious empty toxic sick cult called atheism will be over soon and none will even remember it existed. you got nothing positive here, all negative, for sure the obsession and the frustration about God and religions..... you have many problems and negative things there... what a nosense cult.
That was genuinely a frustrating watch I had to keep pausing it when he thought he was having an epiphany. I'm not sure why he had to paraphrase the story of the Garden of Eden as supermarket analogy though. I mean who does he think his audience is? The entire biblical story of the Garden of Eden (amongst many others) is terribly flawed anyway but he made it much more complicated than it needed to be. I think the Einstein maxim "If you can't explain it simply then you don't understand it well enough" absolutely applies to this guy.
What a great supermarket, you can buy these apples but you cant buy those apples because they will kill you but I wont stop you from buying them. I really dont get why they cant realize its a metaphor for growing up and loosing the innocence you had as a child when you learn there are both good and evil in the world.
@@TheZodiacRipper Well i suppose they have to believe it is the ultimate truth and it what literally happened (tho who was writing this down while they were all having a chat is anyones guess, or that these stories are reflected in earlier sources from Mesopotamia that predate the bible). The mental gymnastics to make it fit in with their belief system that it all somehow correlates to the rest of the bible is worthy of an olympic sport.
14:42 Why don’t they make these videos for atheists. It seems like these are very good at framing how theists should think about atheists but are useless for atheists to change their position. Nothing he says budges the needle in his direction. The endless series of equally ineffective videos actually nudges the needle away from their intended direction. It doesn’t help that it’s random topic jumping that so far hasn’t revealed anything resembling a direction towards something impersonating a point. I’m actually curious if some kind of point is actually involved at all other than the unexplained points inside and outside a faint green circle. Other than that it all seems pointless.
18:51 Ok. the points are people and the circle is “god’s rules.” He asks who makes the rules. He thinks a god does. I think people do. I think people also made the rules that he thinks his god made. It’s not a problem for atheists. People make up rules all the time. I’m occasionally drawn into arguments with people with different rules from mine. Everyone has different rules. Many people use a god to justify their rules. Often their rules seem to contradict the rules their god supposedly created. It’s all very complicated and confusing. I have my own rules that try to live by. I don’t have a god backing me up. I try to be reasonable and rational about them. I have my own hypotheses of how morality and ethics work. They don’t require a god. I currently have no evidence that anyone other than people wrote the Bible. Nor do I have evidence that a super natural entity influenced those people. So even if there was some way to definitely solve the problem of evil, that’s not a problem for atheists. There still wouldn’t be any convincing evidence that there’s a god. That would only resolve a contradiction in the conception of the god described by the Bible.
7:06 Crazy stuff like the crusades between 1095 and 1291, or crazy like all the inquisitions between the 1100s and the 1800s? 10:39 Not ironic at all, it was deliberately taking the p!ss. 19:35 Now *that* is irony.
The problem with atheism is that atheists appear to have no problem in not believing in a supreme deity and it irritates some people who are conditioned to believe in a supreme deity to make themselves happy.
Some theists can't comprehend what godless means. But it's bewildering that they'll accept / respect competing god-beliefs rather than entertain the notion that people can live decent lives without gods.
Nupetball, this is the first video that I actually saw your name (usually I'm mostly to entirely audio). Only hearing Skeptick say it, I thought it was a name indicating you'd recently got a dog. New pitbull.
Huge fail!!! He said, "We're going to go back in time" (3:55) and you didn't immediately show a clip of Marty McFly and Doc Brown!!!! Okay, not really a big fail. You'd probably have to include the Hewy Lewis tune and then you'd get a copyright strike for an almost pointless, barely funny joke... Carry on! Excellent video!!! 👍👍👍👍
In the shopping analogy, if he wanted to be accurate, or at least a little more accurate. When I went down the Isle I wasn't supposed to, the manager should have followed me out of the store in such a rage that he sent me and every descendant of mine to burn in hell for eternity.
The biggest problem with Atheism is the lack of sunday cookouts. We need more Atheist cookouts.
But how will we source all the babies?!
@@ojrmk1 Did you mean source or sauce?
@@RichWoods23 Yes
@@ojrmk1 Get them from the 'Right to Life' people who are opposed to abortion but don't care once the babies are born.
@@RichWoods23BBQ sauce of course!
The big problem atheism has is that it is constantly being criticized and derided by theist idiots who don't even understand the meaning of the word they are using.
That's because their intended audience is other theists, not atheists. The point of videos like Mr Arena's is to shore up any floundering faith that those people might be feeling, to keep their souls sparkly clean and all ready for Jesus to harvest.
The big proiblem atheism has is that truckload of christian morals relabeled as humanism. Why do you tolerate their BS while you know they're idiots? You have the amoral (neither moral nor immoral) high ground, use it to your advantage.
Atheists are people who still believe in God but are just mad at him. That is most believers definition. Why they mostly just start at a "god is true" position if they ever even do speak to an atheist, because in their minds, that's where everyone is.
@@RichWoods23 The problem with that is that those theists then discovering people like Mr Arena lied to them only makes them fall from faith faster. Turns out strength of faith is largely dependent on having good religious role models. And free drugs before services.
They never answer how they know for sure they're right without saying "faith" 😅😅😅
'We're going to look at the athiest belief that there is no god'
Damn. The very first sentence.
There is a different kind of sadness about an African descendant defending a book that basically says slavery is okay.
Why? Africans were and ARE the biggest slave owners.
stockholm syndrome
@@orgaorca6568 this is ridiculous i stated a historical fact about who sold slaves and sin sir nasi tub deleted it
The Slavery in the Bible is *VASTLY DIFFERENT* from modern Historical Slavery.
@@AJ_Jingco no its not...like most things theist say that makes no sense. Owning a person is owning a person. The bible even gives instructions on how to beat slaves and how to trick a slave into life enslavement.
The problem with atheism is that it doesn't offer a post mortem eternal fantasy land where you'll FINALLY be _happy_ for ever and ever! It just offers _reality!_
Imagine spending eternity in the same place that was before you were born. I mean these guys must be deadly afraid of going to sleep.
Atheism is lack of belief in gods, not lack of belief in some sort of afterlife. The existence of gods does not seem necessary for this life on this earth. Why would it be necessary for afterlife in a godless Elysium?
@@robinharwood5044 _Most_ believers in religion are in it only for some sort of afterlife as a 'reward' for their belief! Take away this idea of an afterlife and religion would quickly go the way of the Dodo!
The problem with this guy's 'The problem with atheism' video is, he rambled on and on and on and on without ever really getting to the point.
I figured this out at the 8:00 minute mark.
His point was the oft debunked "objective morality" argument. Tired, lame, and pathetic. But at least we got to hear the Skep Tick have fun tearing it down.
So, he names all four 'Horsemen', then says, "Those are three of the four..." after oddly dismissing Dennett. This kid has only just learned of these guys. This is evident by him referring to "Stephen Hitchens" and then correcting himself. He appears to struggle with getting people's names right and that's not a good start if you are going to then criticize their positions; that's incredibly rude and dismissive! Such behaviour could never be deemed to comport with 1 Peter 3:15. It's just not how apologetics is taught in the Bible. He's seen a few debates online featuring Hitchens and Stephen Fry and then gone on to conduct the most cursory of research. He failed. He doesn't even understand the basics of hermeneutics, epistemology or logic in general. If this guy is a Pastor, then they must be giving out those titles free with every McDonald's Happy Meal.
@@musiclover9361Pastor has as many qualifications as President, apparently.
@@zemorph42 I suppose that depends upon to which nation's President you refer. Some are highly qualified.
This guy talks a lot without actually saying anything.
I know. I kept waiting and waiting for him to say something relevant...and was utterly disappointed.
Atypical for evangenital excuse-agist....
Watch some of his other videos. He says a LOT. He absolutely HATES women, despises Jewish people, and thinks that Atheists are turning everyone into transgender sinners. Oh, and he thinks that the world is ending soon because the LGBTQA+ community succeeded in their Satanic plan to open up a gateway to Hell.
The circle or the black guy?
they all do, it's in scripture.
I believe in, pray to, and worship no god. It's a lot of work. No god gets mad if you don't pray the right way.
Odysseus? Is that you?
yup, it takes a lot of work to pretend 😎
No god richly rewards worship and obedience, though!
As an atheist, my biggest problem is theists who don’t understand atheism!
I used to not believe in God so you don’t have to school me on what atheism is..
@@davidrexford586
Please define it for us
I have to admit the difference between "I believe god does not exist" and "I don't believe god exists" is not obvious but it IS there and atheists have explained it concisely many (many) times... sigh
@@SgtWilko1979
However, it's easier to argue with a strawman.
@@MikeTMike a belief that God doesn’t exist due to not enough evidence or proof of..
A not true statement considering Atheists find God themselves but oh well..
The four Atheists Horsemen, Fun, Freedom, Friendly and Family
Now these are 4 horsemen I can actually endorse/support.
The Four fs of Atheism.
The Mighty Atheistmo is pleased by your word mortal.
I was just watching Bart Erhman talking about contradictions between the gospel accounts, in this case, Gyrus' daughter, in one gospel it says she was already dead, and he raise her, but the other gospel it just says she was dying. They can't both be true, obviously, but it's interesting what Christians will say to reconcile this and others like it.
She was spiritually dead and bodily dying. Where is my paycheck?
If I’m an atheist - it’s because YOUR god made me this way. 🤷🏻
your religious empty toxic sick cult called atheism will be over soon and none will even remember it existed. you got nothing positive here, all negative, for sure the obsession and the frustration about God and religions..... you have many problems and negative things there... what a nosense cult
@@Mar-dk3mp
Why does your god fiddle with kiddies?
Correction - CREATED😅
I read the Bible and became an atheist.
The Bible did it.
@@MikeTMike that is BS
I feel like I'm watching a straight C high school student read his essay where he had just a few points but needed to stretch it out to 10 pages. Even worse, when he actually does make a point it's so mind numbingly stupid it just makes me annoyed that he wasted out time with these broken fragments of apologetic arguments.
This poor guy lives at the bottom of the barrel but thinks he's the king frog in the well.
You sure he's a straight C student? He sounds like if all of his grades were put together to form just one word, it would sound something like this:
"FFFFF-Duh."
... nail on head. Thats exactly what we are looking at. Literally the only thing that seperates this guy from your description is his age.
You'd think in the intervening 20/30 years he'd have sharpened up but nah.
I'd replace "read his essay" by "does an oral presentation with no notes or preparation of any kind"
That must be a US C grade, because here a C is still a fairly decent grade.
Yeah... that was painful to watch. He can't even get the basics right. I give him a F+
For the store analogy to even start to be comparable, the customers involved would have to be toddlers ( _in adult bodies)_, their Dad left them unattended, instead of fruit it'd be cookies, and for some reason there's a shady guy in a trenchcoat telling them it's okay to eat the cookies. 🍪🍪🍪
According to the story Adam and Eve had no way to know they shouldn't eat the tree because they didn't know right from wrong yet. Sure, God told them not to do it, but they had no way to know it would be wrong to disobey God because... they didn't know right from wrong until they ate the fruit.
That's god, doing everything ass backwards, creating the Earth before he created the sun, creating sin but not explaining what sin is and/or it's consequences to people who don't know what sin is.
In the Jewish version god knew and intended that they would eat the fruit.
@@loganmedia1142 That's still worrysome: why not just give humans knowldege from the start?
@@0Idskuul Then it's a good thing I'm not pulling information from the bible to support atheist beliefs. I'm pulling information from the bible to comment on Christian beliefs. Very different. I don't need to believe a story is real to think it's a dumb story, and I don't need to believe a character is real to judge the actions they take within the story.
They're meant to obey their creator because he's in a position of authority. Just like you're meant to obey your father/elder/master/king because he (and it's nearly always he) is your natural superior. People stepping out of their "natural" place in the hierarchy is the cause of all the world's problems.
The Abrahamic scriptures are apologies for authoritarianism written by authoritarians on behalf of authoritarians. The teachings of Jesus, at least, are more subversive, but still can't quite make a clean break from their authoritarian roots.
Most organized religions are at their core merely rationalizations for acceptance and submission to the status quo. Atheist philosophies can, of course, also rationalize and justify authoritarianism (Hitler and Stalin were atheists, the former exploiting the authoritarian and reactionary inclinations of religious institutions to gain and maintain power, with the ultimate goal of purging them and replacing obedience to God with obedience to the "natural" hierarchy as revealed by the Nazi state), but not without suppressing skepticism and curiosity, which are usually what lead one to break with religion and superstition in the first place.
19:55 What's happening in the MIddle East - specifically between Israel and Gaza - is that two groups of people _WHO BELIEVE IN THE SAME GOD THIS GUY DOES_ are fighting because the other group doesn't believe in that god the correct way.
That's NOT the reason for war, at best an excuse some factions use.
As with any war, it's about resources, power, influence, money.
@@JabelldiMarco well god was invented to make it al legit though "it's not ME burning you at the stake it's what my god demands"
@@JabelldiMarco I mean it sure as hell ain't helping.
@@JabelldiMarco you have to ask yourself, why do they want the influence and power?
I would say they don't actually believe in the same God.
The problem with his story about Adam and Eve is, that they didn't know what right and wrong is until after they ate from the fruit.
When I am arguing against atheists, I find it useful to create the arguments I would rather argue with, then what they're actually saying.
God didn't tell Adam (and by extention Eve) not to look at the fruit, or not to take the fruit, but not to EAT the fruit. When he saw that Eve had taken the fruit He could, like the supermarket manager, have stopped Eve at the Eden Groceries' checkout and reminded her that she was not allowed to eat it. But no! He let her leave and rubbed his hands at the thought of having an excuse to curse mankind forever. Go God! What a badass dude!
It annoys me that some people who wanted to pretend they were on the fence co-opted the word agnostic. I don't even think that was what Huxley meant when he used the word. Now we have people who use the term to mean they're still deciding which gods to worship?
The big problem with atheism is that very few people outside the group understand what it is.
And the stigma around the word is disturbing. Neil Degrasse Tyson is an Atheist,but refuses to outright call himself that.
I love the "circular logic" you used to declare yourself a god.
That's actually _Pretzel Logic_ . Give it a listen -- it's one of Steely Dan's best pieces.
@@johndemeritt3460 It was a joke. He used the LOGIC that he was a CIRCLE to conclude he was a god. Get it now?
@@DJH316007, I was making a joke by referencing _Pretzel Logic_ . My jokes sometimes miss the mark, and I apologize for that.
On the other hand, if SkepTick is going to bring us to circle around the idea that _he's_ a god, I'm sure Lisa will have some words with him. And I don't know about you, but I'd _hate_ to have a giraffe leaving "presents" on _my_ kitchen floor! _Especially_ if they're the kind that expand into a new universe!
" All this evil" yadayada. It's actually all your gods mucking stuff up.
Completely agree… either we’re a judeo Christian society or not.
If we are, then what’s happening now is entirely their frigging fault.
Thanks! Your ability and willingness to speak out rationally is appreciated!
your religious empty toxic sick cult called atheism will be over soon and none will even remember it existed. you got nothing positive here, all negative, for sure the obsession and the frustration about God and religions..... you have many problems and negative things there... what a nosense cult..
It's always going to be painful when they don't even understand what atheism is.
Atheism is defined as the straw man they set up to defeat. Honesty is not a requirement.
If there such a thing as atheism. I mean there are people who are left-handed, but we don’t group into “left-handedism”. The ISM suggest there’s a sort of manifesto or common non-belief system. So for me, when the theists address atheism in their rants they just attack windmills ….
@@SoundbrigadeAtheism.. the belief in no God or not enough evidence for God.
Some of you Atheists think it’s difficult to understand you and it isn’t at all.
@@davidrexford586 We atheists comes in different shapes, colours and sizes, but we all lack a belief in any god. I don't see that as complicated in comparison to catholics, lutherans, baptists, methodists, episcopalians, seventh day adventists, JVs, mormons, pentecostals ...
We atheists answer one and only one question: Do we believe in the existence of a deity? And our answer is: No!
@@Soundbrigade and then Atheists find God themselves so your NO is only your No..
These types always have a child's grasp of logic and reason. Which is to say not at all.
Wouldn't Adam and Eve have been Jewish not Christian? After all Christ hasn't been around yet.
Well, we know they were Caucasian.
Just like Jesus...
Depends does Adam still have his foreskin?
@@yogsothoth0115
It depends if Eve bit it off or not.
If you use the metric that the religion wasn’t around yet then technically they were just Deists.
There are Christians that believe Jesus was eternal. Don't ask me to justify it though.
They also like to say the serpent was Satan, along with a laundry list of things the bible doesn't really say.
talked about "god said not to eat this one fruit", completely skipping over that god lied because he said if they ate it they would die within the day; which they didn't. Yeah, thats part of the piss poor morality we are talking about.
Never mind they also had no concept of death.
It was a very long day. LOL.
Or that he didn't give them any concept of negative consequences, or that he didn't make any effort to prevent them from accessing the tree.
Our friends supermarket story completely forgets that A&E had no knowledge of good and evil ta that point and they couldn't make a value judgement when going down the forbidden aisle.
They always make that error. Even when you explain it to them at length. There's like forty separate Line videos that are basically trying to explain to the caller this simple premise and caller just not getting it. Which is amazing, because you'd think that if anyone COULD grasp this, it'd be someone with basically as much schooling as Adam and Eve.
1:57 That there is no god is not a “belief”, it is a demonstrable objective fact. Every time they actually dare to define what they mean by “god”, they invariably define something that cannot exist. And if they don’t care to define what a “god” is, it is not even possible to consider the question. 😂
I'm an atheist but I do understand what bronze and iron age humans (like those who wrote the bible) meant by gods: anything worshiped by humans is a god. This primitive understanding of divinity is the bane of noncognitivism. You make an idol out of a statue by worshiping it, the more worship a divinity receives the more powerful they become and that's why you shouldn't worship foreign gods, etc.
If it is an objective fact, then it is something that we should believe, isn't it? Such a belief would be true.
@@Nexus-jg7ev In my dictionaries (I speak other languages other than English, which is my second language), belief and knowledge are different, just like the difference between atheism and agnosticism that is pointed to in this video. As soon as evidence is sufficient to call something « knowledge » (episteme if you will) it is no longer necessary to employ « belief » (or doxa). The ambiguity that the connotations of the word « belief » in English introduces is absent in many other languages.
@@martinnyberg6882 If you know something, you also believe it. You cannot know something and not believe that it is true. Belief is part of knowledge. Belief alone doesn't consistute knowledge, sure, but knowledge is not belief-free either. To say that a person who knows everything has no beliefs would be ridiculous.
@@Nexus-jg7ev You are hamstrung in your reasoning by the English usage of the word “belief”. Change to “knowledge” vs. “dogma” if that helps.
2 hours? How? Must be nice to be able to blather on and on and on, making no coherent points, and not have your own mind screaming at you that you're speaking nonsense in circles.
We didn't even get a full 20 minutes of this guy and it gave me a headache. I'd lose my mind trying to listen to this for two freaking hours. Holy crap.
I barely made it to Skeptick's first interruption!
I mean that's basically every sermon I ever listened to. Two hours of rambling nonsense we've heard hundreds of times. I got so bored with that nonsense I actually took the time in church to read the Bible...which is what led to my deconversion.
Like "The weave"?
I hate how so many people misdefine agnosticism. Agnosticism does not mean that someone is spiritual but they just haven't chosen a god yet, agnosticism is just saying "i don't know" to the question of "is there a god/gods". An agnostic can say that they don't believe in a god because agnosticism has nothing to do with belief
Exactly! For example, an agnostic atheist is a person who doesn't know whether any deities exist, and they don't believe any deities exist. An agnostic theist is a person who doesn't know whether any deities exist, and they do believe at least one deity exists. Also, imho, anyone who claims to be a gnostic theist or a gnostic atheist is being dishonest about the gnostic part. (Not to be confused with Gnostics, with a capital G. People who believe in the pursuit of knowledge, often "secret" knowledge. The type of knowledge depends on which type of Gnostic they are, Jewish Gnostics, Christian Gnostics, Greek Gnostics, etc.)
The problem with the way you phrased this is that regardless of whether gods actually exist, "do you believe in a god" is a yes or no question. There is no third option, there is no maybe. If the answer is yes, you are a theist. If the answer is NOT yes, you are an Atheist. The candle either burns or it doesn't.
Agnostic is not something you are about a question, but an answer. A theist would say that there is a god. An honest theist would have to say that they believe this without absolute knowledge, since all accounts of said god are third or fourth or fifth hand accounts, making all but the smallest numbers of theists necessarily "agnostic theists".
SImilarily, all atheists are necessarily agnostic, since one cannot affirm the non existence of a hidden god.
Agnosticism comes into play AFTER you have taken a position.
In the supermarket analogy, I guess it may depend on what the owner put in the forbidden aisle. If that’s where he put all the chocolate, _I’m going down that aisle!_
Think of the supermarket story being more of a huge children's toy store where the children can grab any toy the want, no adult supervision needed, they just can not go down the gun isle that has fully armed weapons within reach.
Do we blame the children, or do we blame the store for the harm that comes from this ?
@@keithwhitehead4897You just described literally every Walmart in America. Seriously, the gun section is invariably placed right in the center between the sports section, the toy section, and the video game section.
@@DavidRichardson153 Every Walmart with a gun section. I know of several that didn't have one.
@@solomonverrico That last sentence is certainly true, and I remember growing up around one nearly 30 years ago. That said, Walmart is the biggest gun retailer in the US and sells more guns than anyone else (no exaggeration there at all - even the FBI and ATF determined that).
Supermarkets DO have that isle, it's called "stockroom" and labeled "employees only."
also, every isle after closing..
_oops, aisle not isle.. lol_
In the store we'd also have to lose our knowledge of good and evil.
Not knowing that going down the forbidden isle is wrong.
The Bible isn't immoral? The "good book" that excuses r4pe and sl4very? That book is moral? Dude must be having a laugh!
There is no atrocity in the Bible - from 1Samuel 15 : 3 through 2Kings 2 : 18-24 and on to Judges 11 : 30-40 - that you cannot find an apologist willing to gloss over and justify it.
@@MarceldeJong
For a short time some people were trying to say that the Old Testament was showing how bad people were.
Not when your view is that nothing God says or does is immoral. God is the creator of morality in their view, so even though we feel slavery is immoral we are wrong. I hear the same stuff from Christians who only find homosexuality immoral because they think God says so. I have heard from ones who say they personally don't understand why God has a problem with it, but because God apparently does then it must be immoral. His ways are better than ours etc.
@@brianharper1611 It's strange that we all judge whether they are evil by their actions. We don't do that with God. God is good just like that, no matter what he does. It's absurd.
For real, Christians I've talked to always say something like, "But after Jesus bla bla, the Old Testament doesn't apply anymore."
I have no idea how that defeats the argument of god being evil…
The biggest problem with atheism is too few realize everyone is born athiest
I understand your point, but don't quite agree. If an atheist is someone who does not accept the claim that a god exists, the atheist would have to have some God concept to evaluate to not accept. In that sense, a baby would not be an atheist, nor would a cat, nor would a piano. It would be like calling a rainbow bald because it doesn't have hair. Absolutely correct, yet absolutely useless.
@matthewharrison7127 Im saying we're all born with no concept of god or anything theistic until indoctrination. The problem is the word "athiest", it doesn't truly describe us who remain the way we all come into the world regarding god. "Athiest" is only necessary to communicate with those who confuse popular consensus for truth or fact. There really should be no need to deny god if everyone was more logical about it. No one is born a pianist, but do those who haven't learned to play piano walk around labeling themselves apianists? Nope. athiest is only useful to deny assumptions rooted in following and popular belief. Unfortunately, a slim minority acknowledges this, hence why we're somewhat forced to use the term.
The problem is their appeal to morality is just appeal to hierarchal culture, nothing more.
Christians have no moral system. They only promote slavish obedience to the commands of a murderous, torturing, imaginary dictator. Obedience is NOT morality.
Morality can only exist, when you start to think and decide for yourself.
When a god commands you to kill, and you obey, you are not being moral, you are just being a tool.
If God didn't want Adam & Eve eating a certain fruit, then He should never have put the fruit there. That's God's fault, not Eve's. This bloke also complains about the modern technologies (the internet, etc.), that atheists used to broadcast their messages, yet this guy is using the same technologies to get his religious messages across. I would wonder how it is that a guy with the name of Israel would be a Christian except that my name is Jesse=Jesus. Wow! An atheist named Jesus!
All-Knowing God never saw Eve disobeying him coming.
And this was (supposedly) AFTER Satan revolted against him...
he strikes me as a person that would say the crusades where a good thing while saying that Stalin was bad
God: "It's a sin to eat this fruit, Adam and Eve"
Adam: "Whats sin? What's eating? What's fruit? And who is Adam and Eve?"
God: 👁 👁
@@GRAHFXENO
Adam was the original Jordan Peterson!
I used to have an atheist neighbor named Jesus. He always spoke Spanish, though.
This new colourful circle animation needs a seizure warning.
Yeah. I was tripping whilst editing.
Yeah, that was really awful.
As someone with sensory issues, I listened only.
Bit too much for me.
As someone with auditory issues. I absolutely love visual stimuli like this. So unfortunate that others may actually suffer from the visuals 😭
I've already died from seizure. thanks
I may be color-blind; that line looks blue to me.
Those four are not leaders, they are common references.
18:08 As a swimmer, I *_must_* protest against his misuse of the word "swimming" in that weird floating circle in the lower left!
I can never listen to an apologist like this and think they really believe all the sht they’re pushing. He’s making too much effort to hit every fallacy on the board.
Ah, from the thumbnail i wondered if you found the man with the most ridiculous beard, but when i got in i saw it was his mic.
Atheism cannot really have a problem for one reason:
Unless the Theist can PROVE "God did it", then they have the same "issue" as the Atheist, and added on top of that they have the problem of needing to prove their assertion of God.
Also, I'd say that you can't really prove an Atheist to be wrong as it's just "I don't believe in any Gods".
If Theist would prove God, they wouldn't prove us wrong, they would prove it wrong to keep being an Atheist after that. 🙂
Why is an African talking about THE Bible? It is the religious writings of a specific culture appropriated by the conquering Romans who spread it far and wide as a help in keeping the conquered people in line and not revolting. The colonized and conquered peoples have their own gods.
Yeah, but obviously their gods aren't as strong, or they wouldn't have been conquered.
Israel God told them essentially it would be evil for them to eat the fruit. WITHOUT LETTING THEM KNOW WHAT IS EVIL! Then he let a talking snake who may have been the real God for all they know tell them that dude who said that lied and just doesn't want you knowing what he knows. Which it turns out was TRUE.
8:59 "Hang on, am I a god!?" just sounded like a fun writing prompt.
The Big Problem I had was with the contradictions I found in God's Holy Word.
“Man makes religion, religion does not make man”-Karl Marx
😂😂😂
Gods didn't create humans. Humans created gods.
Gonna be completely honest, these moral arguments are all so similar I actually wound up blanking out during this video. Sorry I couldn't give you more respect Tick.
The problem I have with his supermarket analogy is that Adam & Eve had no knowledge of good & evil until after eating the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge, so how could they know that following rules was good and that breaking them was wrong?
I think a better analogy would be someone fluent in English but with no knowledge of Hungarian going to a library and the librarian says in English "You can read every book in this building" but then adds in Hungarian "except the Hungarian to English dictionary". Without reading that book to translate the second part they can't know that they aren't to read that book.
so... a god puts a rule in place it knows for certain the victim cannot obey, because to understand it's wrong to break a rule they have to learn about good and evil which requires breaking the rule... and he think the victim is the baddy?
And it didn't say "you can't come back in here" in the story, it cursed all life for eternity and sends all humans to hell by default, with a made up excuse, that's not setting boundaries, that's abuse.
your religious empty toxic sick cult called atheism will be over soon and none will even remember it existed. you got nothing positive here, all negative, for sure the obsession and the frustration about God and religions..... you have many problems and negative things there... what a nosense cult..
@@Mar-dk3mp
Why does your god fiddle with kiddies?
Not sure a supermarket would install and stock an aisle of delicious food that it didn’t want people to buy. Then again, they probably don’t have God’s sense of humor.
The broccoli, brussel sprouts and cabbage aisle.
Hey, hey, hey. . . As a Christian they have partially read one book!
your religious empty toxic sick cult called atheism will be over soon and none will even remember it existed. you got nothing positive here, all negative, for sure the obsession and the frustration about God and religions..... you have many problems and negative things there... what a nosense cult.
@@Mar-dk3mp
Why does your god fiddle with kiddies?
I love how he acts as if adam and eve were fully functioning humans in the 21st century. Morally, it's wrong to make 2 people then tempt them, knowing they'll fail, then curse ALL OF HUMANITY afterwards? EVERYONE? Yeah, no. Either he's an inept god or he's a monster.
Exactly!
the biggest problem with atheism is not being convinced by bad claims.
beware the four giraffesmen, praise Lisa
So basically the right thing to do is leave your baby in the garden with the blueberry, strawberry and nightshade bushes. Say he can eat everything except the third bush. Then hide behind the fence and watch. After the baby inevitably eats from the third bush then you jump from your hiding place and mock him for how dumb he is.
And that is perfect love from a perfect father, so divine.
If your god is too incompetent to even put a baby gate around the verboten tree, you need a new one. 🤷♂️
And what would he have done if they had already eaten from the Tree of Life, *_FIRST,_* that was NOT off limits until after it dawned on him when he'd found out they'd eaten the forbidden fruit?
Why won't believers not understand that the fruit is a basic analogy for sex? I'm sure that was how it was intended at the time.
Wait, he’s podcasting on a Sunday! Heathen!
To me, the Biblical story of The Garden of Eden was a metaphor for belief in and Obedience to a Deity. Do you really want to live your life under the Authoritarian Rule of someone else? If you do I know of many Countries in the world you can go and submit yourself to, you know, just to try it out for awhile. I am sure they will just let you leave if you don't like the conditions...
When the microphone looks like a butt plug, then the phrase "talking out your ass" takes on a whole new meaning.
Yeah, shit can happen ….
i'm certain i missed about 75% of what he said. my brain couldn't handle the constant droning on. it just tuned out what he was saying. 😴
He didn't say anything. He talked a lot but he didn't say anything.
Those new rotating Round Things are quite hypnotizing.
So, according to this person, the big problem of atheism is that atheists have morality that is made up by humans through reasoning while theists have morality that is made by humans through interpreting a book written by people quite a bit of time ago. Sure is a significant difference between morality made up by humans and morality made up by humans.
Although I think I prefer the morality being made up by trying to reason about it instead of just going by something written ages ago.
When the British accent doesn't make you sound smarter 😂 (theist, not the circle)
Phew. Although, I’m a self proclaimed dumb dumb.
Ahm... Nope.
Atheist here, no problem whatsoever, in almost 60 years and counting.
But I love other people telling me what my problems are and their solution to them make me laugh so hard.
Live is rich and beautiful even if there is no imaginary friend in the sky.
The biggest problem with aethism is conmen cant get money from them.
Rubbish does sound good in that accent, but unfortunately, it's still rubbish!
SkepTick, are you planning on using the circles of circles thing in future? It was an interesting change of pace, but please don't use it too often: I kept expecting to see octopus arms form in the spiraling circles, with each small circle being a sucker. While I like octopuses -- I think they're the best argument _against_ "intelligent design" there could be (they have better brains, eyes and arms than we do, not to mention the _bestest_ skin imaginable!) -- I wouldn't want to watch a whole video with an octopus twirling around the screen like it was trying to hypnotize me.
Did the guy you were debunking say that there's an objective standard for good and evil? I have an objective standard for evil: cats. House cats aren't mentioned in The Bible, and Christians tend to tell us that God didn't _create_ evil, despite the evidence to the contrary. But house cats . . . They're constantly doing things that _can't_ be categorized as objectively good. And if they _aren't_ mentioned in The Bible, _how did THEY come about_ ?
Finally, I can prove that the Christian God actually _created_ evil, using The Bible. We'll come back to Isaiah 45:5-7 in a minute, but first, let's go to that whole Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil thing. Why would a God who knows everything, from the very beginning to the end of time, plant this tree in the garden knowing that Adam and Eve would eat that fruit? But the real giveaway is in the name of the tree: the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. This implies that God _created_ both good _and_ evil. If this god hadn't created evil in the first place, why would the fruit of this tree confer knowledge of good _and_ evil? To borrow a phrase, "That don't make sense to _NOBODY_ !" So let's go back to Isaiah for a moment and recall that in the verses cited, God actually admits He created evil!
In short, this guy is _WAAAAAY_ out there. He ain't got a clue. But we should challenge Christian excusigists on the point of their God creating evil. They claim He didn't -- even though He clearly admits He did.
maybe skeptick is secretly an octopus…he is the epitome of intelligent design
So the flood wasn't evil because Noah had no smartphone...? 🤔
Turns out God has been hiding in my crayon box all along
I have never said that Christianity (or any religion, for that matter) is or has been debunked.
However, I have said many times, and still do, that it is a silly, unreasonable belief. And that it is not backed by any objective, demonstrable, verifiable evidence. Which is my minimum requirement for belief in any positive claim.
This, I believe, gives me more than enough reason to reject such beliefs.
However, I am willing to have my mind changed, but meer faith and a near Eastern, iron, and Bronze Age book of mythology just aren't going to cut it.
Mr Arena's points were so engaging that I dozed off. Did he actually conclude that the problem with atheism is that it doesn't have a god-defined boundary, or was I just having a particularly weird and irrational dream?
The four horsemen are Metallica, Megadeth, Anthrax, and Slayer
i'm famished....
Ozzi Ozzborn: The we must be five horsemen.
What about Hell? Their Macbeth song is sooooo good!
The bible never made a good Macbeth song >:I
Ironic that he's using metaphor and analogy to defend a literal reading
I think John Lennon wrote a song about this.
He did indeed. And I saw two young Muslims girls sing it at a Buddhist festival. I don't think the understood the meaning.
Have you heard the "Christian" version of it? They change some of the lines from "Imagine there's no heaven" to "image there's a heaven" then later "and no religion too" becomes "and one religion too". Basically they pervert a song about unity into one of exclusion or the even scarier "be Christian or else" that many American evangelicals seem to think needs to happen.
I swear, I felt brain cells dying as I struggled to follow his rambling. I couldn't follow it at all. He didn't just go off on tangents, it was nothing BUT tangents, none of which had anything to do with each other. I swear his argument might as well have been 'atheists are wrong because Islam isn't Protestant and agnostics are Christians'... it's just word salad very shakily glued together.
But what1s with the OTHER tree?
Which one? Supposedly there were a bunch of others, but we never find out what they were.
Norse mythology makes so much more sense than Christian mythology and when it doesn--HEY LOOK FROST GIANTS
@@solomonverrico The Tree of Life.
It shows up in Gen.2.9, then is forgotten in 2.17, then is somehow back in 3.22.
It's like We not only have 2 creation-myth in the first 3 chapters, but 3!
@@AmityvilleFanThe pastor who baptized my grandson said there were FIVE!
@@Soundbrigade Five what?
I mean aside your human-rights violation, the story has 2 trees: the tree of knowledge and the tree of life.
If you say WITHIN THE FIRST 3 CHAPTERS there are 5 creation myths, please, ellaborate. I'm interrested how you found that many.
@@AmityvilleFan Five creation stories. This pastor pointed out that some where really subtle (guess that’s the correct word). My point was that the bible isn’t the most rational and consequential book in the world.
I think the very first line Genesis 1:1 is the first mentioning of the creation, then you have the second mentioning a few verses later. Did I write “subtle”.
I am a non-believer and the origins of the bible is a hint that this is not a “valid document to base a belief on”.
TLDR you can't be good without a celestial radio fence and shock collar.
Theist: "God gave us boundaries, he made the rule. He said to Adam that eating from the fruit is wrong!"
Yea, but seems that this supossed God-Thingy forgot to give Adam the knoweledge to seperate right from wrong.
Anyway, that Theist was the most boring Theist i have ever seen, he takes so long, says so many words.. for just a little Point he could have easaly summed together to:
"I think Atheists cant have Morals without God!"
I ate the fruit when I was 14 and was the first at school to do it 👏
To quote Tom Lehrer:
Fred’s an intellectual.
Brings a book to every meal.
He likes the ‘deep’ philosophers.
Like Norman Vincent Peale.
This guy’s a Fred. 🤷♂️
Atheism have a big problem ? Well... Maybe, but only in his empty head. I don't regard it being chocked with prejudice as being filled.
His first mistake : Atheism is not the belief that there is no god, but NOT believing in any god. Big difference, but he obviously can't make the difference. He can't, or refuse to, understand that atheism is as much a belief system as NOT collecting stamps a hobby or SLEEPING an extreme sport.
So, his conclusion is : Be a theist and get imposed a «purpose» and get some «values» shoved down your throat, OR don't be a theist and be free to chose your own values and purpose.
your religious empty toxic sick cult called atheism will be over soon and none will even remember it existed. you got nothing positive here, all negative, for sure the obsession and the frustration about God and religions..... you have many problems and negative things there... what a nosense cult.
The big issue is that nothing says "secure in my faith" like being too terrified to actually listen to an atheist explain their own position.
@@Mar-dk3mp
Why does your god fiddle with kiddies?
God believers: * *God is real* *
Atheist: * *Prove it* *
God believers: * *Shocked Pikachu Face* *
Not Hovid or Prager. Awesome 😎
That was genuinely a frustrating watch I had to keep pausing it when he thought he was having an epiphany. I'm not sure why he had to paraphrase the story of the Garden of Eden as supermarket analogy though. I mean who does he think his audience is? The entire biblical story of the Garden of Eden (amongst many others) is terribly flawed anyway but he made it much more complicated than it needed to be. I think the Einstein maxim "If you can't explain it simply then you don't understand it well enough" absolutely applies to this guy.
What a great supermarket, you can buy these apples but you cant buy those apples because they will kill you but I wont stop you from buying them. I really dont get why they cant realize its a metaphor for growing up and loosing the innocence you had as a child when you learn there are both good and evil in the world.
@@TheZodiacRipper Well i suppose they have to believe it is the ultimate truth and it what literally happened (tho who was writing this down while they were all having a chat is anyones guess, or that these stories are reflected in earlier sources from Mesopotamia that predate the bible). The mental gymnastics to make it fit in with their belief system that it all somehow correlates to the rest of the bible is worthy of an olympic sport.
Not on topic, but that new background is not friendly to people prone to seizures.
It's awful even if you don't get seizures.
Theists now refer to church as "body of christ" rather than place of worship.
"Entering the body of christ" sounds like some "corn" parody. 😂😂
Yeah it is definitely hard to be an athiest when haruhi suzumiya is your anime waifu 😂
Thanks!
14:42 Why don’t they make these videos for atheists. It seems like these are very good at framing how theists should think about atheists but are useless for atheists to change their position.
Nothing he says budges the needle in his direction. The endless series of equally ineffective videos actually nudges the needle away from their intended direction.
It doesn’t help that it’s random topic jumping that so far hasn’t revealed anything resembling a direction towards something impersonating a point. I’m actually curious if some kind of point is actually involved at all other than the unexplained points inside and outside a faint green circle. Other than that it all seems pointless.
18:51 Ok. the points are people and the circle is “god’s rules.”
He asks who makes the rules. He thinks a god does. I think people do. I think people also made the rules that he thinks his god made.
It’s not a problem for atheists. People make up rules all the time. I’m occasionally drawn into arguments with people with different rules from mine. Everyone has different rules. Many people use a god to justify their rules. Often their rules seem to contradict the rules their god supposedly created. It’s all very complicated and confusing.
I have my own rules that try to live by. I don’t have a god backing me up. I try to be reasonable and rational about them. I have my own hypotheses of how morality and ethics work. They don’t require a god.
I currently have no evidence that anyone other than people wrote the Bible. Nor do I have evidence that a super natural entity influenced those people. So even if there was some way to definitely solve the problem of evil, that’s not a problem for atheists. There still wouldn’t be any convincing evidence that there’s a god. That would only resolve a contradiction in the conception of the god described by the Bible.
09:10 all hail the SkepTick circle, our god!
7:06 Crazy stuff like the crusades between 1095 and 1291, or crazy like all the inquisitions between the 1100s and the 1800s?
10:39 Not ironic at all, it was deliberately taking the p!ss.
19:35 Now *that* is irony.
The problem with atheism is that atheists appear to have no problem in not believing in a supreme deity and it irritates some people who are conditioned to believe in a supreme deity to make themselves happy.
Some theists can't comprehend what godless means. But it's bewildering that they'll accept / respect competing god-beliefs rather than entertain the notion that people can live decent lives without gods.
One of my favorite authors wrote that the opposite of "good" is not "evil" but "easy."
Nupetball, this is the first video that I actually saw your name (usually I'm mostly to entirely audio). Only hearing Skeptick say it, I thought it was a name indicating you'd recently got a dog. New pitbull.
He really plays out how pathetic this rule is.Don't be curious. WTF. Great vid TST
He's conclusive proof that Christianity turns you into a mumbling mindless automaton.
Huge fail!!! He said, "We're going to go back in time" (3:55) and you didn't immediately show a clip of Marty McFly and Doc Brown!!!!
Okay, not really a big fail. You'd probably have to include the Hewy Lewis tune and then you'd get a copyright strike for an almost pointless, barely funny joke...
Carry on! Excellent video!!! 👍👍👍👍
In the shopping analogy, if he wanted to be accurate, or at least a little more accurate. When I went down the Isle I wasn't supposed to, the manager should have followed me out of the store in such a rage that he sent me and every descendant of mine to burn in hell for eternity.