Forrest Valkai sports Constructive Nihilism - while Nihilism is usually seen as "nothing matters, all is in vain", he means there is no outer, dictated meaning of life, so you are free to define your OWN meaning of life - a goal you consider worthy aspiring for, that makes fun to pursue, where you can set your own waypoints, where you can have success experiences that keep you engaged.
@@feedingravens Yeah, I like that one. I personally favor Camus's absurdism, which is a similar approach. We live in a world that seems ridiculous with humans craving meaning and a universe that doesn't seem to have any. So instead of despairing, you create meaning despite the absurdity.
I feel like we all knew kids like that in high school . . . but pre-internet they didn't have access to so many dumb RUclips apologists whose terrible arguments they can regurgitate poorly.
As a child who grew up in worse than this, the damage stays with you for a lifetime, even decades later, beyond the cult, even after all the deconstruction, pockets remain.
It's hard to deal with the cringe, knowing that quite a few of them will be cringing at themselves in a few years. Kids: don't put your sophomoric regurgitation of apologists' long-debunked arguments on the internet. It will follow you.
@@Cat_Woods a) Dude never was called Jesus. b) Christian (like god) is not a name but a title or designation of profession. c) this is not what taking the name in vain refers to, nor us ut blasphemy. Christianity gas made a mess out if it's reading if it's own book. So much irrational corruption of interpretations. So many lies disguised as virtue.
I love how the designer argument acknowledges the ability to distinguish things that were designed from things that were not well trying to argue everything looks designed.
Just listened to a Christian claim A = B and B = C but A doesn't equal C. "God created you." "You are filth." "God didn't create filth." "God created filth for his glory." Dafuq?!
A=B=C, the father is god, the son is god, the holy spirit is god. A≠B≠C, the father not the son, the son is not the holy spirit, the holy spirit is not the father. Dumm basses.
@@rickn8or Oh there's no need to avoid asking the question. It's not like any theist will ever _fucking answer_ anyway, it'll just be more irrelevant gibberish to not listen to. Which is like breathing at this point. Humans breathe, sane people filter out theist gibberish, same difference. Hell, you might even get lucky and get some entertainment out of them tripping over their imaginary feet and trying to play it cool. Or, if you win the lottery, they might come to their senses and have A Thought for the first time in their wasted lives, that'd be nice.
11:50 - "Let's imagine we're walking in a forest, and we find a fully-charged laptop. I ask, how did this get here? And you say, over millions of years..." Yes, over millions of years the Earth produced life and the life evolved and developed intelligence and made a laptop.
And then lost it in the forest. Of course, all of that falls apart because we know that laptop is not a natural part of the forest _because we know how laptops are made._
Honestly, the first guy worries me a bit. His slow, depressed manner of speaking. His OCD with his hair. His talking about how nothing matters in the end. I don’t know… Maybe he should be thinking about counseling if he isn’t already getting it.
There's a distinct possibility that he's been taught that therapy is for the weak. He may very well need counseling, but I suspect he and his family would more likely go for an exorcism or some other useless crap.
If the guy who believes morality is objective, I guess he thinks slavery is still okay. Because the book where he gets his "objective morals" from says it is fine.
The thing is, they never actually read the Bible, even in seminary schools they deliberately avoid the more "troublesome" passages and pastors will make sure those areas are never read or discussed. Watch some Planet Peterson videos where he reads Bible verses to apologists and they hear what it actually says for the first time. The contradictions, constant slaughter of women and children, mainly on a capricious whim, slavery, like you say, is all new to them. He got TikTok Christians to read passages out and the expressions on their faces as they realised what they were reading was priceless and very revealing. They are ignorant and deliberately kept that way, and it dates back thousands of years, even to trying to stop it being translated from Latin and being printed and distributed in English.
I just had the worst conversation with a theist. I'm wearing my Lisa the Rainbow Giraffe shirt today, so listening early. Need you to get my mind of the stupid Christian I just talked to.
He was indeed a truly stupid Christian. He didn't know how to answer questions, only knew that certain keywords meant he had to use certain scripts. If then .
3 minutes and he already references Hitler. Damn. I think the only reason he took that long was the... really slow... stoner... dictation... he... had...
Oh he set my ass on fire I don’t know why theist have the idea that atheists are raving lunatics with no morals. How hard is it to just know to be a good loving human being without sky daddy telling me I better or burn in hell… it’s not hard at all but that’s just my opinion 😂
I hope you’re referring to the last guy. He definitely is arrogant and insulting. I also hope that your comment wasn’t a general screed against eyeglasses. After all, for many of us, myself included, they are a necessity.
2:37 When the second-rate Emo Philips impersonator started talking about murdering people being just a matter of opinion, I hoped his dad had remembered to secure the gun locker before going to work that morning. And then of course he moved on to Nazis.
i mean nazis and mass murder are basically inseperable...its kinda of a given when you think about it. also for some reason creatinists a lot of times say that the major genocides and atrocities were commited by atheist when thats not only factually wrong but also intellectually bankrupt..
Remember that their library of books effectively condemns the taking in of knowledge, as, for instance, in the case of the prohibition against eating the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge in Genesis chapters 2 and 3.
I 100%, to my core, without doubt, fully, cannot fathom the "if it isn't forever it isn't worth anything" line of thought. It just does not compute. How can people actually think that?
@@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος I think it could be very meaningful but only if you had an opportunity to continue to learn and experience new things. The Christian idea of heaven however is a place of soil-destroying stagnation.
10:57 what’s taught in school and what’s learned at school are not always the same. I teach middle school science in a religiously and politically conservative community, and it is amazing how many misconceptions and misunderstandings my students have.
It breaks my heart every time I see someone who was convinced by their parents who was convinced by their parents who was convinced by their parents ECT that a God was real.
There are atheists who believe even in getting the occasional haircut. Seriously, though, I’m almost surprised that young man didn’t start pulling some of his hair into his mouth while he was on the air. It was so distracting that I found myself saying to the screen (but addressing the kid): “You really need a haircut, son.”
The kid who asks atheists why they would continue with life and try to make purpose if there isn’t anything afterlife, should be asking himself, “Why would I care about anything in this life when I will have eternity in Heaven?”
The pointlessness-of-life argument is one that really bugs me. I'm absolutely the person that it would apply to, if anyone. I am an atheist. I have been severely depressed for the majority of my life. I cannot - with any level of honesty - say that I continue because I enjoy being alive. Here's the thing though. I am alive. This is the life I get. And I want it to have meant something to someone. Maybe that's silly (many theists certainly seem to think so) but if even I can find justification in continuing, it's pretty obvious that believers simply don't understand how stupid the argument they are making really is. They don't understand any world view other than their own. And that's a sad state of affairs.
Truth absolutely can be subjective. Here's an example, I am 6 ft tall, at work, I am tall, taller than most people in my office. So at work, the truth is, I am tall. In my social setting, I have a group of friends who range in height from 6'2" to 6'5". and in that group, I am short. So in my social circle, I am short. Both truths are factual, so yes, truth can be subjective. If it can be demonstrated to be true in different cases, that doesn't mean it's not true, but the one thing you can't just do is just say it's true because whatever reason. Another one going to the murder argument? Maybe we shouldn't be arguing with these types of people because obviously if they didn't believe in god then they'd be out killing and graping and whatever else their god warns against.
Can most people be moral without believing in God? Yes absolutely. Are there some people who sure sound like believing in God is the ONLY thing stopping them from being horrible people (see Ray Comfort)? Also yes.
Dat hypocrite lol. Love how hiz gawd iz da very impossible magical complex complicated always existed nothing Dat created everything from magic. Yet says its retarded even though gawds iz their nothing az a belief system. Da ( well just guz impossible magical power and its different when gawds da very impossible uncreated nothing thing )
I really liked that last guy. Sitting there all self-righteous. Just thinking he is omniscient and can speak for what all atheists think and say. Then following Christ's teaching to love everyone (even your enemies) and to treat people the way you want to be treated by calling atheists as a whole some rather awful names. Truly a role model for all Christians. Christians rarely seem to act as if they have ever read the Bible. Especially that part about, 'whatever you have done to the least of them, you have done to me.' (Matthew 25)
He certainly took a radical approach to the actual, claimed, teachings of his Holee Bibble, didn't he? Almost as if he never really read, or understood it, but just wanted to lash out at some people he took offence to. What did his mate, Jeebus say? Love one another as I have loved you? Except amoral atheists of course. Par for the course, unfortunately, with so many "Christians".
@@Evan-k It's 2024. Why does a supposedly technological society still believe in fairy tales? I just don't understand why Americans believe such nonsense. Is it a poor education system? Is it something in the water?
16:20 Hang on a sec... which being ordered others to be murdered? Let me see, err, oh don't tell me... it is written down somewhere, if I could just remember the name of that book. Bubble? Babble? Something like that anyway.
@@kregorovillupo3625 Close, but not quite what I was thinking... but wait a moment, I remember: Buy *Bull.* I couldn't have got it without you, thanks. 👏
Listening to these is mentally painful. These aren't 'bottom-of-the-barrel' level arguments, this is 'you've tossed the barrel aside and are now just pawing at the floor' level.
1:35 Because its more enjoyable to enjoy things _now_ than in a hypothetical _later_ that may or may not exist. 1:45 Because that's what being alive is. Charting your own purpose, instead of accepting one shoved onto you by theists claiming to speak for a god. 1:55 Because people matter to other people. It helps our species survive. Do theists really _need_ to have a supernatural bully over their heads to force them to care about other people? 2:39 You wanting to unalive people is wrong because of the demonstrable harm that does to other people. You don't need a god to tell you that, unless you're a psychopath.
@@markhackett2302 ""Free"" will doesn't exist. Every choice you are capable of making is limited in scope by material realities. That's simply a fact. If you don't like it, too bad.
@@TheSkyGuy77 ...and a moral creator would create a reality within which rape and murder were as physically impossible as teleporting to another planet.
"So, you don't unalive people because you think it's wrong? Well that's duhm, I don't unalive people because an invisible sky fairy will punish me if I do, though I'd surely like to! See? My morality is superior to yours!" They just don't listen to themselves talk.
Some theists. Theists like me accept that our morality is subjective and relative and comes from us! These people are just trying to avoid accountability.
@@dogwalker666 who made mummy & daddy?! Lol obviously you know what I mean, its so frustrating when they use special pleading or my bible says & demand you accept that as an answer.
I’d say nope. There has never been ”disorder”. All our evidence points to the four fundamental forces having worked exactly the way they work now for as long as this universe has been around.
I never realized until they started making videos about it, how absolutely misguided some folks are when it comes to morality. There's only one real consequence of morality being subjective, and that is the inability to rationally justify `imposing` your morality on others. However, that's not how the world works anyway. Not to mention that simply claiming objective morality because they claim a god said so, means nothing. They may as well say their morals are objective because they say so. It would be about as meaningful.
I 'impose' my morality on others if and when their actions negatively affect me or people I care about. Most people do the same. That's why we have wars.
@@derkylos At best you live in a society based on a rule of law, where `imposing your morality on others` could wind you up in jail. That rule of law is not a moral code, let alone an objective one. It reflects the watered down average of societal norms in the moment. Though, all of that misses the point anyway. There is no globally accepted objective moral code. That's not how the world works, and morality being subjective is not the `horrible problem,` it gets made out to be.
I swear I should make some videos that use the same tactics on Christian beliefs - the same dishonest half-truths and invalid logical arguments. If they believe them, that's their problem.
I just had a comment deleted on a news channel after i commented under a video of a bridge being washed away where one commenter was inconvenienced where her usual 5 minute commute was now 45 minutes and wanted prayers off everyone. I said something on the lines of "and you think God will help you when he probably caused it in the first place? The whole mother nature thing and everything.. "
Last time I checked, human beings have decided under which conditions killing is permissible or punishable to which degree, what substances are legal or illegal to trade and consume under which conditions, what rules have to be considered when operating hazardous machinery including cars, how intellectual property is protected, how legal contracts are set up and enforced, what standards people need to fulfill to practice certain professions and how to classify which age groups should be allowed to watch which movies. According to objective morality guy, all of that is useless and can be discarded. Christians: the most radical of all anarchists.
In that last video, what is really surprising to me is that he seems to think that no one gets angry about other people having a different opinion about something, which is very surprising since that is probably something like half of the interactions on the internet.
The theistic stance and all of their stupidity boils down/can be replaced with the following: "I don't know how that happened, therefore I know how it happened"
A few quick questions for the first guy: 1) who hit you with the animal tranquilizer dart? 2) why do you keep playing with your hair? Do you have chewing gum caught in it or something? 3) have you ever sat down with a living, breathing atheist and asked them these questions?
Funny the girl in the blue shirt says she hoped we learned something new. That was an old argument! Of course the next guy was just complete rhetoric. Atheists don't hate what they don't believe in.
Logically speaking the first option isn’t even coherent. If in the beginning there was nothing then there wasn’t god, if there was god then there wasn’t nothing.
I thought the first kid was bad, just parroting apologetics worst hits, but that second kid actually made me sad. He is way too young to be trying to argue philosophy he clearly doesn't understand, he should be arguing about whether The Hulk or Superman would win if they fought, or debating hotness rankings for the girls in his school.
I disagree he is too young, canr start young enough, he just needs to be challenged and taught he is being fallacious and arguing against strawman arguments. He is parroting the same old nonsense, but at least tries to justify his believes
@@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος Most adults can't handle a philosophical discussion about religion, there's way too much baggage and indoctrination in the way, and the apologetics have been honed over centuries to be as hard to pick apart as possible. Teach kids the basics of logic, yes, that's what the debate team is for, but stay the hell away from the philosophical arguments for God. It's like trying to teach a kid math by starting with quadratic equations, it's impossible. They need a solid foundation first before they even begin to dissect the surface level parts of apologetics.
Isn't it telling that their main problem with morality being subjective is always that you can't condemn someone for failing your moral standard? And they really really want to condemn people. Though I'm pretty sure Jesus said something about that.
@5:20 - 6:00 Yes... and is it not congruent with our human minds, with sentience, when facing the finality of reality; to make something up to make us feel better?
It's comical seeing theists present their spiteful, narcissistic, petty, murderous and permanently angry deity as a paradigm of the morality we are meant to follow. Astonishing lack of awareness.
If you're walking in a forest and find a fully changed laptop, obviously god created the laptop and put it there because it knew I needed a new laptop. No need to try and figure out who it belongs to.
I once asked a theist if you could do the right thing for the wrong reasons, he told me no if you are not doing it for the glory of "God" it is not the right thing.
It's just me, or these apologists' rambling become more and more incoherent? Asks a question, the next sentence has absolutely no connection to the previous sentence, but they definitely intended to continue the same thought, but they really didn't even achieve even that...
Believe it or not they're getting better. These people aren't proper apologists though, they're amateur bottom of the barrel wannabes, and two of them are literally children. You cannot expect them to give the best versions of these arguments.
@@xipheonj Believe it or not, them being amateurs and children elevates them above the professionals. The realzies have practice, and took courses in presentation and speech, but that only makes them able to hide that their are incoherently rambling smoother. That's it. But their train of thought left the planet. These people just lost in the 4d subway-system. (I can't remember what was that movie)
"Why do you create your own meaning, if there is no meaning to life?" I think you answered your own question, there.
Forrest Valkai sports Constructive Nihilism - while Nihilism is usually seen as "nothing matters, all is in vain", he means there is no outer, dictated meaning of life,
so you are free to define your OWN meaning of life -
a goal you consider worthy aspiring for,
that makes fun to pursue,
where you can set your own waypoints,
where you can have success experiences that keep you engaged.
@@feedingravens Yeah, I like that one. I personally favor Camus's absurdism, which is a similar approach. We live in a world that seems ridiculous with humans craving meaning and a universe that doesn't seem to have any. So instead of despairing, you create meaning despite the absurdity.
An epidemic of teenage wannabe apologists who believe themselves wise and visionary with absolute certainty
Having to hear a 14-year-old's opinion is a human rights violation.
You should finish that sentence.
And not a single new thought among them.
@@rickn8or plenty of them THINK they have new ideas
I feel like we all knew kids like that in high school . . . but pre-internet they didn't have access to so many dumb RUclips apologists whose terrible arguments they can regurgitate poorly.
I'm sorry, watching children parrot this rubbish and thinking of the damage done to them is more than I'm up for right now.
It’s disgusting.
Yeh! I am still getting over this $#!+. I left in my 20's. I am now 60.
As a child who grew up in worse than this, the damage stays with you for a lifetime, even decades later, beyond the cult, even after all the deconstruction, pockets remain.
Jesus Christ, content warning! You didn’t mention that this video contained abused children.
Blasphemer!!!! Dont take their imaginary lords name in vain!!!!
@@ChrisFerguson-zm4gtRemember even if you don't believe in Lesley the giraffe she will have mercy on you(leaf be on her)
@@Magister195Lisa’s sister?
It's hard to deal with the cringe, knowing that quite a few of them will be cringing at themselves in a few years. Kids: don't put your sophomoric regurgitation of apologists' long-debunked arguments on the internet. It will follow you.
@@Cat_Woods a) Dude never was called Jesus. b) Christian (like god) is not a name but a title or designation of profession. c) this is not what taking the name in vain refers to, nor us ut blasphemy.
Christianity gas made a mess out if it's reading if it's own book. So much irrational corruption of interpretations. So many lies disguised as virtue.
That kid is being abused by its parents. Not getting speech therapy should be a crime.
I love how the designer argument acknowledges the ability to distinguish things that were designed from things that were not well trying to argue everything looks designed.
Just listened to a Christian claim A = B and B = C but A doesn't equal C. "God created you." "You are filth." "God didn't create filth." "God created filth for his glory."
Dafuq?!
I mean, they also believe that 1+1+1=1....
@@Finckelstein , do yourself a favor and NEVER ask them to explain that one.
A=B=C, the father is god, the son is god, the holy spirit is god.
A≠B≠C, the father not the son, the son is not the holy spirit, the holy spirit is not the father.
Dumm basses.
@@Finckelstein
Don't forget the one who said 16 x 2 = 34
Or however that one went...
@@rickn8or Oh there's no need to avoid asking the question. It's not like any theist will ever _fucking answer_ anyway, it'll just be more irrelevant gibberish to not listen to. Which is like breathing at this point. Humans breathe, sane people filter out theist gibberish, same difference.
Hell, you might even get lucky and get some entertainment out of them tripping over their imaginary feet and trying to play it cool. Or, if you win the lottery, they might come to their senses and have A Thought for the first time in their wasted lives, that'd be nice.
Light = good and dark = evil is just cultural associations, not inherent truth.
It all stems from "I can see danger during the day, but not at night."
The mole people living underground would say the opposite 😉
@@clukinvar Exactly if we were a nocturnal species we would veiw light as bad and dark as good.
11:50 - "Let's imagine we're walking in a forest, and we find a fully-charged laptop. I ask, how did this get here? And you say, over millions of years..."
Yes, over millions of years the Earth produced life and the life evolved and developed intelligence and made a laptop.
And then lost it in the forest.
Of course, all of that falls apart because we know that laptop is not a natural part of the forest _because we know how laptops are made._
If a laptop shuts down in a forest does it beep? 😂
Mostly I'm thinking "Sweet, free laptop!"
@@dogwalker666 Does it shut down in the middle of saving my work? Yes, it does.
@@ReasonOrDogma oh! Been there! 🤷♂️
My response to this video is summed up by the phrase "I blame the parents"
Theists saying atheism is wrong is just them saying, "I don't like that you don't hold the same belief system as me."
I see it as them being like kids playing The Floor is Lava, and then a parent walks into the room and breaks the illusion.
@@simongiles9749 lol
Honestly, the first guy worries me a bit. His slow, depressed manner of speaking. His OCD with his hair. His talking about how nothing matters in the end. I don’t know… Maybe he should be thinking about counseling if he isn’t already getting it.
Personally, I think he's stoned and thinks he's having a deep revelation...
That guy... well, he thinks that murdering people is ok. Try that my friend , you´ll very quickly will experience how the rest of fell about that.
There's a distinct possibility that he's been taught that therapy is for the weak. He may very well need counseling, but I suspect he and his family would more likely go for an exorcism or some other useless crap.
@@TiKallisti He doesn't think murder is ok, he just thinks it's a gotcha because he's bought the dumb idea that atheists are nihilists.
He gradually morphs into Emo Philips as his video goes on.
If the guy who believes morality is objective, I guess he thinks slavery is still okay.
Because the book where he gets his "objective morals" from says it is fine.
The thing is, they never actually read the Bible, even in seminary schools they deliberately avoid the more "troublesome" passages and pastors will make sure those areas are never read or discussed. Watch some Planet Peterson videos where he reads Bible verses to apologists and they hear what it actually says for the first time. The contradictions, constant slaughter of women and children, mainly on a capricious whim, slavery, like you say, is all new to them. He got TikTok Christians to read passages out and the expressions on their faces as they realised what they were reading was priceless and very revealing. They are ignorant and deliberately kept that way, and it dates back thousands of years, even to trying to stop it being translated from Latin and being printed and distributed in English.
I feel sorry for that young kid. Almost certainly another victim of American evangenital home schooling.
Which one(s)?
I DON'T say I have free will. Quite the opposite - there is no free will
Will is innocent! Free him now! 😂
Wow, you're delusional
To quote Doctor Who:
"The thing about Gods is, they never show up"
My 5 dogs dont "matter" in the grand scheme of things, but they certainly matter to me and i spend a fortune at the Vet to maintain their health.
These poor kids. So indoctrinated they can't understand why they are dead wrong.
Exactly
If there is a god and it is a thinking agent then it's morality is subjective by definition.
True that. If any mind at all is involved, then it is subjective.
Objectivity means it affects any and all, even gods.
Trichotillomania ... an impulse-control disorder that involves repetitive hair pulling or twisting.
I just had the worst conversation with a theist. I'm wearing my Lisa the Rainbow Giraffe shirt today, so listening early. Need you to get my mind of the stupid Christian I just talked to.
have some virtual Agape you awesome human
I'm sure you handled it well, GG
@GodlessGranny I wore my Lisa tshirt yesterday!
Leaf be upon you!
He was indeed a truly stupid Christian. He didn't know how to answer questions, only knew that certain keywords meant he had to use certain scripts. If then .
@@pollypockets508 She did! Guy kept trying to dodge questions, even tried to tell her how the law should work.
Apparently their sky daddy can create everything.......Except tangible evidence of his existence!
He could if he wanted to. He's just unwillingly and unloving :P
@@Commander_ZiNthen why venerate it?
he can’t create books or boats either
Its existence. A god has no need for a gender.
@@lotanerve gods don't exist sooo
Number one is surprisingly reasonable. If you fail at apologetics _and_ at fixing your hair, might as well do it at the same time.
3 minutes and he already references Hitler. Damn. I think the only reason he took that long was the... really slow... stoner... dictation... he... had...
Godwin's Law is a live and well.
I'm jealous that I'm not currently as high as that stoner fool.
Glasses is really annoying. Arrogant and insulting.
Pretty sure he's never going to reproduce.
Oh he set my ass on fire I don’t know why theist have the idea that atheists are raving lunatics with no morals. How hard is it to just know to be a good loving human being without sky daddy telling me I better or burn in hell… it’s not hard at all but that’s just my opinion 😂
I hope you’re referring to the last guy. He definitely is arrogant and insulting. I also hope that your comment wasn’t a general screed against eyeglasses. After all, for many of us, myself included, they are a necessity.
2:37 When the second-rate Emo Philips impersonator started talking about murdering people being just a matter of opinion, I hoped his dad had remembered to secure the gun locker before going to work that morning. And then of course he moved on to Nazis.
i mean nazis and mass murder are basically inseperable...its kinda of a given when you think about it. also for some reason creatinists a lot of times say that the major genocides and atrocities were commited by atheist when thats not only factually wrong but also intellectually bankrupt..
Don't you just love it when children want to play I'm all growed up' now listen to me spout the crap some adult told me
Their idea of 'knowledge' is truly sad.
Remember that their library of books effectively condemns the taking in of knowledge, as, for instance, in the case of the prohibition against eating the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge in Genesis chapters 2 and 3.
That first dude needs to get some friends, a partner, a pet, something.
Therapy, as in recovering from religion...
A haircut wouldn't go amiss either 😃
He had a pet, a few in fact, but they all ran away. And so did his girlfriend. It's a mystery of biblical proportions.
He needs to get out of that room.
But Cheezus is his friend …. 🙄
I 100%, to my core, without doubt, fully, cannot fathom the "if it isn't forever it isn't worth anything" line of thought. It just does not compute. How can people actually think that?
If you only have one life in between two infinites, its much more valuable then a life followed by an eternal life, that life is meaningless.
Religion is a cult
@@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος I think it could be very meaningful but only if you had an opportunity to continue to learn and experience new things. The Christian idea of heaven however is a place of soil-destroying stagnation.
10:57 what’s taught in school and what’s learned at school are not always the same. I teach middle school science in a religiously and politically conservative community, and it is amazing how many misconceptions and misunderstandings my students have.
Hope you mean before having been their teacher.
@@oscargr_ obvi
do you live and teach in Utah?
It's been my experience that trying to educate a believer is a waste of time.Like these indoctrinated idiots in this video. Make me wanna puke.
It breaks my heart every time I see someone who was convinced by their parents who was convinced by their parents who was convinced by their parents ECT that a God was real.
At least most atheists believe in hair conditioner.
At the very least a 2in1
@@clukinvar2 in 1 atheists believe in hair conditioner? Took me a second.😂
@@oscargr_ I was going for a shampoo plus conditioner
There are atheists who believe even in getting the occasional haircut. Seriously, though, I’m almost surprised that young man didn’t start pulling some of his hair into his mouth while he was on the air. It was so distracting that I found myself saying to the screen (but addressing the kid): “You really need a haircut, son.”
The kid who asks atheists why they would continue with life and try to make purpose if there isn’t anything afterlife, should be asking himself, “Why would I care about anything in this life when I will have eternity in Heaven?”
Things have value to us, if they are not abundand. How much is you life worth if you live for infinity in heaven? Why continue?
The pointlessness-of-life argument is one that really bugs me. I'm absolutely the person that it would apply to, if anyone. I am an atheist. I have been severely depressed for the majority of my life. I cannot - with any level of honesty - say that I continue because I enjoy being alive.
Here's the thing though. I am alive. This is the life I get. And I want it to have meant something to someone. Maybe that's silly (many theists certainly seem to think so) but if even I can find justification in continuing, it's pretty obvious that believers simply don't understand how stupid the argument they are making really is. They don't understand any world view other than their own. And that's a sad state of affairs.
I hope you are having a good day. Cheers. 😊
Bold of you of you to assume that poor girl went to school. Probably, homeschooled.
NO ONE will remember me? Whew, is that ever a relief. One less thing to worry about. Thanks!
Thanks! These “stupid things” videos are some of my favorites to watch. You’re the best!
9:39 ..... So what kind is JUSTICE, to let millions of kids die of hunger / and or disceaces ?
You know god has a plan for them obviously.
I don’t think apologists realize that no matter how much we disagree with something, it doesn’t make it unexist in our minds
That kids really needs to get out of his dimly lit room and get himself a girlfriend!
Existential dread is a bitch
Theists looking miserable again!
He also needs to either stay off the drugs or get on the right dosage. That hair-pulling is sending messages.
I'm asexual and I agree
Or any kind of mutual friend outside of the imaginary kind.
Truth absolutely can be subjective. Here's an example, I am 6 ft tall, at work, I am tall, taller than most people in my office. So at work, the truth is, I am tall. In my social setting, I have a group of friends who range in height from 6'2" to 6'5". and in that group, I am short. So in my social circle, I am short. Both truths are factual, so yes, truth can be subjective.
If it can be demonstrated to be true in different cases, that doesn't mean it's not true, but the one thing you can't just do is just say it's true because whatever reason.
Another one going to the murder argument? Maybe we shouldn't be arguing with these types of people because obviously if they didn't believe in god then they'd be out killing and graping and whatever else their god warns against.
Can most people be moral without believing in God? Yes absolutely. Are there some people who sure sound like believing in God is the ONLY thing stopping them from being horrible people (see Ray Comfort)? Also yes.
Dat hypocrite lol. Love how hiz gawd iz da very impossible magical complex complicated always existed nothing Dat created everything from magic. Yet says its retarded even though gawds iz their nothing az a belief system. Da ( well just guz impossible magical power and its different when gawds da very impossible uncreated nothing thing )
The first guy looks and sounds like he just found a trove of wisdom in his latest bong rip.
I really liked that last guy. Sitting there all self-righteous. Just thinking he is omniscient and can speak for what all atheists think and say. Then following Christ's teaching to love everyone (even your enemies) and to treat people the way you want to be treated by calling atheists as a whole some rather awful names. Truly a role model for all Christians.
Christians rarely seem to act as if they have ever read the Bible. Especially that part about, 'whatever you have done to the least of them, you have done to me.' (Matthew 25)
Maybe he has a degradation fetish and wants us all to insult him.
And 2 Timothy 4 which essentially says they need to learn before they preach!
Cults are ridiculous
He certainly took a radical approach to the actual, claimed, teachings of his Holee Bibble, didn't he? Almost as if he never really read, or understood it, but just wanted to lash out at some people he took offence to. What did his mate, Jeebus say? Love one another as I have loved you? Except amoral atheists of course. Par for the course, unfortunately, with so many "Christians".
8:05 so you may just say Dr Carol Marcus is real, she had ‘infinite power’ and made the Genesis Device. So she’s god
15:04 That's some mighty fine "love thy neighbour" there buddy. No hypocrisy here.
What is going on in America? These people are out of the minds! I hope that first guy does not have access to assault weapons.
It's called religion, the oldest cult
@@Evan-k It's 2024. Why does a supposedly technological society still believe in fairy tales? I just don't understand why Americans believe such nonsense. Is it a poor education system? Is it something in the water?
By “assault weapons” do you mean scary looking semiautomatic weapons you’ve only seen on tv?
@@remoevans7847 definitely, "assault weapons" only exist in the minds of the uneducated
@remoevans7847 Do you want me to be specific? This is a comment section, not a dissertation on weapons of the 21st century
16:20 Hang on a sec... which being ordered others to be murdered? Let me see, err, oh don't tell me... it is written down somewhere, if I could just remember the name of that book. Bubble? Babble? Something like that anyway.
I can swear it was buyball.
@@kregorovillupo3625 Close, but not quite what I was thinking... but wait a moment, I remember: Buy *Bull.*
I couldn't have got it without you, thanks. 👏
It's the "Bronze Age Goat-herders Guide to the Galaxy" I think. Yes, pretty certain that's the one.
@@mojomusica Very nice. I think I will steal that one 😁👏
Listening to these is mentally painful. These aren't 'bottom-of-the-barrel' level arguments, this is 'you've tossed the barrel aside and are now just pawing at the floor' level.
There's only one word for those three: insufferable. Not only do they not listen to themselves but the lack of self-awareness is frightening.
If God's work is perfect, why are you wearing makeup??
And the last guy is wearing glasses. He must have sinful eyes.
@@Jaytee. Bruh😂😂😂
Y glasses are 1/4 of an inch thick. Probably slightly bigger😢
1:35
Because its more enjoyable to enjoy things _now_ than in a hypothetical _later_ that may or may not exist.
1:45
Because that's what being alive is. Charting your own purpose, instead of accepting one shoved onto you by theists claiming to speak for a god.
1:55
Because people matter to other people. It helps our species survive. Do theists really _need_ to have a supernatural bully over their heads to force them to care about other people?
2:39
You wanting to unalive people is wrong because of the demonstrable harm that does to other people. You don't need a god to tell you that, unless you're a psychopath.
Can I just teleport to alpha centari B
@@Anti-Theist-316
If you have the means, then probably.
😂
@@TheSkyGuy77 Ah, but since he has FREE WILL, he should be able to, just like he should be able to sin because he has FREE WILL.
@@markhackett2302
""Free"" will doesn't exist.
Every choice you are capable of making is limited in scope by material realities.
That's simply a fact.
If you don't like it, too bad.
@@TheSkyGuy77 ...and a moral creator would create a reality within which rape and murder were as physically impossible as teleporting to another planet.
The inability of theists to understand where my morality comes from doesn't make me a hypocrite
"I'm incompetent therefore God" is a really terrible way to go about things.
"So, you don't unalive people because you think it's wrong? Well that's duhm, I don't unalive people because an invisible sky fairy will punish me if I do, though I'd surely like to! See? My morality is superior to yours!"
They just don't listen to themselves talk.
Some theists. Theists like me accept that our morality is subjective and relative and comes from us!
These people are just trying to avoid accountability.
@@nealjroberts4050Congratulations. Really, no sarcasm.
@@lucdery6836 Ta. I'm just as fed up with them as you atheists!
They never ever answer what was there before god. Ever!
Mummy and Daddy God? 😂
@@dogwalker666 who made mummy & daddy?! Lol obviously you know what I mean, its so frustrating when they use special pleading or my bible says & demand you accept that as an answer.
@@snooganslestat2030 Agreed they don't get that using the bible as evidence for the bible is extremely frustrating.
Hypocrites believers lol izn't gawd their own nothing created everything of impossible magical complex complicated magic?? Gawds a atheist even.
Physicists know perfectly well that order comes spontaneously from disorder.
I’d say nope. There has never been ”disorder”. All our evidence points to the four fundamental forces having worked exactly the way they work now for as long as this universe has been around.
I love it when people are so confident in their assertions that they turn off the comments to their videos.
I never realized until they started making videos about it, how absolutely misguided some folks are when it comes to morality. There's only one real consequence of morality being subjective, and that is the inability to rationally justify `imposing` your morality on others. However, that's not how the world works anyway.
Not to mention that simply claiming objective morality because they claim a god said so, means nothing. They may as well say their morals are objective because they say so. It would be about as meaningful.
I 'impose' my morality on others if and when their actions negatively affect me or people I care about. Most people do the same. That's why we have wars.
@@derkylos At best you live in a society based on a rule of law, where `imposing your morality on others` could wind you up in jail. That rule of law is not a moral code, let alone an objective one. It reflects the watered down average of societal norms in the moment. Though, all of that misses the point anyway. There is no globally accepted objective moral code. That's not how the world works, and morality being subjective is not the `horrible problem,` it gets made out to be.
considering the amount of utter bullsh*t coming out of these babies faces is infuriating, those parents should be turned into cps.
4:57 To be FAIR, the first question was about the big bang, not abiogenesis. He's just really vague.
I swear I should make some videos that use the same tactics on Christian beliefs - the same dishonest half-truths and invalid logical arguments. If they believe them, that's their problem.
I just had a comment deleted on a news channel after i commented under a video of a bridge being washed away where one commenter was inconvenienced where her usual 5 minute commute was now 45 minutes and wanted prayers off everyone. I said something on the lines of "and you think God will help you when he probably caused it in the first place? The whole mother nature thing and everything..
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~5:37 so whatever words we use are pointless because someone made them up?
Thanks!
Last time I checked, human beings have decided under which conditions killing is permissible or punishable to which degree, what substances are legal or illegal to trade and consume under which conditions, what rules have to be considered when operating hazardous machinery including cars, how intellectual property is protected, how legal contracts are set up and enforced, what standards people need to fulfill to practice certain professions and how to classify which age groups should be allowed to watch which movies.
According to objective morality guy, all of that is useless and can be discarded. Christians: the most radical of all anarchists.
And most of those laws existed long before christianity.
"on my X-feed" 🤣 that's already enough to know that this guy has nothing of any value to say.
I'm so glad I was a kid long before RUclips existed, so I couldn't leave a permanent record of my unwarranted teenage belief that I knew everything.
In that last video, what is really surprising to me is that he seems to think that no one gets angry about other people having a different opinion about something, which is very surprising since that is probably something like half of the interactions on the internet.
Not the brightest bulbs, not the sharpest knives, etc etc... asking meaningless and often pointless questions.
The theistic stance and all of their stupidity boils down/can be replaced with the following: "I don't know how that happened, therefore I know how it happened"
6:40 because every time someone's explain their belief system to me I've gone....."REALLY?"
For that kid, if someone said that the Laptop magically appeared because of a god, hopefully you would say was crazy
I've recently come to the conclusion that every apologist's argue can be distilled down to "by definition."
A few quick questions for the first guy:
1) who hit you with the animal tranquilizer dart?
2) why do you keep playing with your hair? Do you have chewing gum caught in it or something?
3) have you ever sat down with a living, breathing atheist and asked them these questions?
I hate these types, "I can't grok it, so it cannot be grokked, here watch me pick at my hair."
Funny the girl in the blue shirt says she hoped we learned something new. That was an old argument!
Of course the next guy was just complete rhetoric. Atheists don't hate what they don't believe in.
I think the kid in the Def Leppard shirt was male.
@@DrachenGothik666 Yeah, when I saw the video again, I think that is just a young adolescent boy with feminine features and voice. But he's young. LOL
This poor child, it’s like he’s so close yet so far
Hey first guy,young Emo Phillips,go outside,meet people ,enjoy the world we live on.maybe,just maybe even think for yourself.
Hooooly crap, the educational systems of certain countries are severely lacking
The last guy he's arguing for Authoritative Morality not Objective morality. Morality come from God's authority.
... With the Last Guy speaking for God, of course...
Yes, I've noticed they don't seem to recognise the difference between the two.
At 16:25, you stated "so owning people as property isn't wrong?" The thing is, acourding to that guys god, it's not wrong
Right! So that god is wrong too
@@TheSkepTick exactly. even if that god is real, they're not a good guy
Logically speaking the first option isn’t even coherent. If in the beginning there was nothing then there wasn’t god, if there was god then there wasn’t nothing.
Poor kid,
I thought the first kid was bad, just parroting apologetics worst hits, but that second kid actually made me sad. He is way too young to be trying to argue philosophy he clearly doesn't understand, he should be arguing about whether The Hulk or Superman would win if they fought, or debating hotness rankings for the girls in his school.
I disagree he is too young, canr start young enough, he just needs to be challenged and taught he is being fallacious and arguing against strawman arguments. He is parroting the same old nonsense, but at least tries to justify his believes
@@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος Most adults can't handle a philosophical discussion about religion, there's way too much baggage and indoctrination in the way, and the apologetics have been honed over centuries to be as hard to pick apart as possible.
Teach kids the basics of logic, yes, that's what the debate team is for, but stay the hell away from the philosophical arguments for God.
It's like trying to teach a kid math by starting with quadratic equations, it's impossible. They need a solid foundation first before they even begin to dissect the surface level parts of apologetics.
@@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγοςwow you're delusional
I'm still waiting on one objective moral thing
Isn't it telling that their main problem with morality being subjective is always that you can't condemn someone for failing your moral standard?
And they really really want to condemn people.
Though I'm pretty sure Jesus said something about that.
Yeah, it's really annoying that Christians seem to ignore the one good thing their god supposedly directly told them.
@5:20 - 6:00 Yes... and is it not congruent with our human minds, with sentience, when facing the finality of reality; to make something up to make us feel better?
The irony of the Def Leppard shit on that one kid........
I smell a little bit of drugs here....
I don't think I have free will
Theists talking about logic. 😂
Oh, you forgot to bring out your logical fallacy bingo card maybe. You had surely been the winner if you had …. 😉
That first teen looks like his on the path to buying a semi automatic rifle
7:40
All I heard during this segment was, "It's wabbit season!".
*7:40 ... if you don't add the space it turns into a timestamp link. ;-)
@@irrelevant_noob
Samsung A55 keyboard input....
It's comical seeing theists present their spiteful, narcissistic, petty, murderous and permanently angry deity as a paradigm of the morality we are meant to follow.
Astonishing lack of awareness.
If you're walking in a forest and find a fully changed laptop, obviously god created the laptop and put it there because it knew I needed a new laptop.
No need to try and figure out who it belongs to.
I once asked a theist if you could do the right thing for the wrong reasons, he told me no if you are not doing it for the glory of "God" it is not the right thing.
Is that like THC Gummy Philosophy??? (first idiot. Might apply to all of them...)
Nah. THC Gummi philosophy at least makes sense when you're high.
He manages to limbo underneath that bar, somehow.
Hello there! Nice to see names I recognise! 👍🏻
We so need to fund education.
It's just me, or these apologists' rambling become more and more incoherent? Asks a question, the next sentence has absolutely no connection to the previous sentence, but they definitely intended to continue the same thought, but they really didn't even achieve even that...
Believe it or not they're getting better. These people aren't proper apologists though, they're amateur bottom of the barrel wannabes, and two of them are literally children. You cannot expect them to give the best versions of these arguments.
@@xipheonj Believe it or not, them being amateurs and children elevates them above the professionals.
The realzies have practice, and took courses in presentation and speech, but that only makes them able to hide that their are incoherently rambling smoother. That's it. But their train of thought left the planet. These people just lost in the 4d subway-system. (I can't remember what was that movie)
I want to be sitting in front of the last guy, listening and politely smiling, only to tell him at the end of his tirade that I'm one of those people.
Apparently most Americans don't possess a passport...................so it's not all bad 🙄