Usually theists claim that atheists do believe in God, they just deny it for "reasons". Or that atheism is a religion. Or that atheists believe in science\evolutionism as their religion. It's idiotic, but what can you expect from gullible flock?
They cling to the straw man that atheists are making a positive claim so they can derail the debate. ( They really hate having a burden of proof when the opposition does not. )
I mean, I would consider a demonstration that we do, actually, believe in God in our hearts as a debunking of atheism. Like, some apologists claim that we only _think_ we don't believe in God, but actually still do, just suppressing it. Proving that to be true _would_ debunk atheism, as it would mean we do indeed believe in God.
This is where SkepTick's political bias ruined his argument. He was talking about progressive *ideology*, not scientific advancements. His argument was that man's *political* ideas about *society* don't make things better. You have to attack that nonsense, not go off on an unrelated tangent about science. That's a straw man. This is the problem with the progressives calling themselves that, they've now corrupted that word, stolen it for themselves, so now you can't talk about progressing without bundling the political ideology with scientific advancements. He had a problem with the ideology, "but what about the science". You want to praise scientific advancements, "so you agree with the ideology". Progress just means changes made towards a goal, the goal doesn't have to be the progressive ideology.
yeah, because progress to exists has to be 100%, if society suffer from new problems, does not matter how rare or new they are, all advances should be ignore and everything reverted back centuries
He has clothes on, lives in a nice, water tight, tepmerature-controlled house with nice furniture, uses an electric or gas cooker to cook food, or eats at restaurants where the food is cooked for him with cookers, he has a fridge and a freezer, washing machine and dryer, drives a car probably with air con for hot days and heater for cold, drives on smooth, level roads, walks on pavements to keep him safe from traffic, stops at traffic lights so he doesn't crash, uses toothpaste, soap, moisturisers, medicines, watches television and uses the Internet on his phone which contains all the world's knowledge should he want to know it.... yeh I mean.... everything humans do is useless for humans.
I love how he claims Islam is equal and for everyone man and woman then shows a clip of 3 females standing around a table serving two men sitting comfortably eating like the women are their slaves
Traditional gender roles define women as having only one role - homemaker, while men (in their role as bread winners) have the freedom to chose or change their occupation at will.
Agree. I make a similar comment pretty frequently on apologist videos. If the bible is the perfect inerrant word of god that & their belief shouldn't need apologists. By taking it on themselves to explain it to others are they not offending god?
In Islam, there is no idea of a personal relationship with God: information only comes through his prophet, whose every word is true because he is a prophet. Islam is all about the middle-man (so there can be no pesky arguments about what a god might want).
@@Hi-cu2vx I think the Quran and Hadiths are pretty clear that Allah speaks only through prophets, that Mohamed is the last and greatest of the prophets, and that all muslims must follow the example of Mohamed's life.
Ah, yes. "Women are equal! They just have this separate, equally important though not equally powerful role. And no choosing their own roles in life, that's not allowed." That one is always a damn lie.
Don't you know the Islamic countries are not anti-women because they have feminism, so much so that the entire movement is supported by men? The entire organisation has none other than men. The women, while getting support from men, are tasked to babysit and cook. These men are very helpful with feminism, don't you think?
I love how he equates "The west" with "Atheism" or "being non-religious". As again, the west is a collective noun that doesn't specify atheism or non-religiousness, it includes Christian-secular, secular, and strictly Christian, and even a little bit of islamic nations. Again, giving off the very misunderstood idea of "secularism = Atheism" which Muslims think of.
Theist: "Why do you think everything came from nothing?" Atheist: "I don't" Theist: "How can jusrify your belief that everything came from nothing?" Atheist: "I just said, I dont think that" Theist: "You require too much faith because you think everything came from nothing" Atheist: "Whatever" Theist: "Checkmate"
It's called _argumentum ad baculum._ Literally, argument from a club, in the sense that you beat people over the head with your argument until they give in.
Also a valid interpretation of baculum in that phrase: The baculum (os penis) is a bone found within the penis of certain mammals, including many primates, rodents, bats, carnivores, and some insectivores.
Theists never understand that the word ‘belief’ has a different meaning to the word ‘fact’. You can’t claim that your beliefs are facts, unless you can prove that they are facts. Merely claiming that your beliefs are facts proves nothing. People believe in lots of things that they cannot demonstrate to be factual, and that applies to both Christianity, and Islam. Creation myths are supported by the special pleading fallacy, such that the rules that apply to the universe do not apply to the alleged creator of the universe.
It always stuns me when theists say that athiests are moralless because we don't have a really old book to tell us what is right or wrong. If anything, athiests are MORE moral because we have the freedom to adapt, develop, and improve our morals over time, whereas the religious people have to handwave the fact that their holy book condones slavery and other awful things.
@@fomori2 it's a 35 IQ check, but yeah. At least he wasn't demoted to orthodox judaism though, so he has at least 15 IQ points going for him. We joke about a low IQ, but I have friends who would fail the introduction to an IQ test and likely score below 40 if they tried taking such test anyway, and they don't believe in fairy tales despite being raised religious. Or perhaps because they were raised that way. Either way they feel religion as restricting and hateful and gaslighting and they see no divine justice and have no faith that a loving god exists or is worth worshiping if it did. I think that's pretty smart. And they have the integrity to risk pissing off a god they don't think is worth worshiping. I don't think it's a mystery why I'm friends with them and not with theists.
@@fomori2 you are indirektly implying that chrisianity is better in any way than islam...and thats just not the fact... the oly diverence is Muslim peole are just better at there religion.
8:35 One correction here, I'm also a Jewish Atheist. The "Jewish" part is more cultural than religious. There are many jewish atheists, I can see the confusion, you don't see many people that are atheist and something else lumped in, but I guess it would be akin to saying "hispanic atheist" or "european atheist" or "african atheist"
So he didn't like Christianity being such an "offer the other cheek" religion with the suffering, and he wanted something simple, just a single god without any complications, so he... started believing in Islam. I like that justification for believing something. I don't like me not being the only human that matters, so from now on, I'll accept it as true that the whole universe revolves around me and that other humans are just there to serve me. Bobby, come over here, make me a sammich or your existence will be worthless, and I'll have you killed by some other servant of mine. Your life doesn'T matter one bit unless you are serving me afterall, it's the truth according to your "reasoning", so you must accept it and either serve or die... ...or wait, little Bobby is just another one of those religious hypocrites, isn't he?
He basically proved Sam's point and showed himself to be a selfish grifter, not to be taken seriously by any intellectually sane individual. Not to mention that the islamic divine only appears simple on the surface, when one does a bit more research into matters surrounding Aqeedah, one will realise that this simplicity is built upon a mountain of contradicting premises and descriptions. One good example of this will be the issues concerning Allah's body parts, the Quran being a part of his uncreated attribute of speech, Allah's eternal interactive attributes that mandates constant creation to be fulfilled and consistent with how the Quran describes him and the issue of him being absolutely unlike his creation yet being described in human language which is reliant on a degree of similarity between Allah and his creation given that human language began as a way for us to quantify and understand the world around us. Also, something being "simpler" doesn't make it true. The concept of "bad air", hubris and the "balance of bodily fluids" is a lot simpler and easier to understand for a lay person with no knowledge as compared to our modern understanding of diseases and ailments, doesn't make it true.
14:30 - That part where the interviewer is talking about the oh-so-hopeless 12-16 year olds... Yeah, sounds like a typical citizen of the USA for whom no other parts of the world really exist. Certainly not Europe, and especially not the Nordic countries... So sad when people not only show off their self-centered arrogance and ignorance, but base an _entire_ argument on that...
Middle East too. Depression and suicidal thoughts exist in all nations and on all continents. Depression itself is a symptom of many nerve disorders and parts of the brain that can't encode or produce dopamine in proper amounts. Disorders transient boards, race, and religions. So not sure why he thinks is only a West thing
Errr hang on… how can atheism be irrational if you change religions? Before you changed you did not believe that islam was true, now you dont believe that christianity is true. You have already been an atheist twice. If you were irrational both times perhaps the problem lies with you not atheism.
If you are a theist and you say to an atheist "Prove yourself" "Show the evidence of god not existing" "Prove me wrong" and you also claim you can "debunk atheism", you are already wrong by definition and simple logic, you are empty handed and follow irrational thinking.
It's like saying, "Prove leprechauns don't exist." We can provide tons of evidence showing how incredibly unlikely it is for them to exist, but it's still impossible indefinitely prove it.
@@alexanderrichards239 emm, where did that come from? And this "logic" is actual logic 101, if you go otherwise you are literally irrational. Theists are the ones who want their imaginary friend to be real and here you are saying "this logic" to actual rational thinking.
It makes me sick to my stomach listening to him suggest that "Islam is for everyone, we just have different roles to play." Sure, it just so happens that the "role" of other humans is to be subservient to you. You didn't make the rules, right? Just playing your part making sure the "lesser" people stay in their place. How pious.
~”We are an egalitarian religion that is a patriarchy.” Because those two things aren’t mutually exclusive… /s Hey, can I interest you in a democracy in which I am a king who makes all the decisions?
He'll know it's illegal to murder until he gets brainwashed enough to strap a bomb to his worthless self. Converts _love_ to show off how faithful they are to prove themselves; they're always the happiest and most eager to do more than their fellow cultists. Honestly, whatever country he's in should have him on a watchlist, if they don't already.
Bobby claiming that this is a debunking of "atheism" is especially dumb since he replied to exactly one atheist saying a bunch of specific things that aren't necessarily representative of what other atheists would say, and weren't even about making a case for atheism.
I honestly don't know why I'm getting free access to membership only content when it comes to a lot of the people that you have done colabs within the past is it you if so may Lisa the rainbow giraffe bestow leaves upon you!
Quick correction: I'm pretty sure you can be a Jewish atheist, as being Jewish is an ethno-religion. So if he's ethnically Jewish, that won't change if he's an atheist.
Is there a specific name for each part of the same one is used in both case? I don't exactly think about Jewish anything in general so I didn't really connected these facts together. You made me quite curious now. 👍
The statement "religion is true" is an absurd concept, as the word religion does not designate any single ideology or philosophy, any one of which can be true or false.
The testosterone argument revealed two things about that guy. First of all he was immediately defensive of it, he clearly thinks of himself as a high t bro dude, he thinks having too much testosterone that it makes you aggressive and misogynistic is a good thing. The second problem he had, and skeptick sort of did as well, is presenting the only two options as too much or not enough testosterone. The right amount to have is... the right amount, not too little. How did no one get that?!?!?! Have a NORMAL amount ffs. Being low t is also a problem.
@@petergaskin1811it can mess with your body, women have ir too. My testronome is usually way too low until my period, it causes severe depression and emotional regulation issues. Too low can also mess with your heart. Too high can too. Men and women with too much also havs emotional issues, reproductive issues (with women it can cause menstrual bleeding so bad you could die. My sibling has PCOS and nearly died from too much testronome). So everyone needs just the right amount and that varies from person to person
@@petergaskin1811 testosterone doesn't affect sexual behavior in humans. Hormones in general don't. Or at least is not at all common according to research.
There are only two reasons that an adult male would ever convert to Islam the first is, he was exposed to it heavily in prison, the second, his wife left him took his kids and has a restraining order against him.
@@richardfurness7556 the closest thing to muslim i've been is sitting in proximity to a muslim girl in school and another in university both were lovely girls and being raised christian before i deconverted(more of a christian in name only which is ironic because i am christian in name only)
Wow. An atheist who doesn’t understand cosmology, evolution, the scientific method, the morality problem, empathy or what reality actually says about human happiness. No, wait: the atheist understood all of those, it was the guy who has been indoctrinated after all. Colour me surprised!
"jew" has 2 meanings : faith, and lineage. When Bobby said "atheist jew", he's saying Harris is of jew lineage and is atheist. And given that there was no reason to include the lineage of Harris in the mix, I'd say this was Bobby showing his anti-semitism.
The very same people that says we say nothing came from nothing are the same people that believe an invisible sky wizard proof the universe into existence using an incantation spell.
Hey, Jewish atheist here. It's a valid label a lot of people use. Judaism is unique amongst monotheistic faiths in that it does not require belief in God, and is more strongly tied into culture and heritage and principals than belief. The majority of Jews are secular and a good portion of those are also atheist.
Aithest jew here too. Nice to see a fellow sibling here. We personally don't go to temple, but are considering it just to be with other memembers of the community, not for belief in a God.
52% of people in the UK have no religion. 84.9 % of those aged 10-15 report they are relatively happy with their lives. So much for needing religious belief. Are Bobby's claims based on reality, or are they based on wishful thinking on his part and thus pure invention?
The "selection" part of Artificial Selection removes some randomness from evolution. Everything happens randomly, then the good things are kept, and the bad things are lost.
Adam is a prophet? Prophet to whom? Animals? Plants? Fungi? Bacteria? Inanimate objects? Has any theists ever think of this critically before saying it out loud? It's like I'm saying I'm the translator for a forest. Of course, they never bother telling you what Adam was proselytising to. That's just how it is
A lot of online muslim apologists currently see an opportunity to offer young men status and control over women. Like Jordan Peterson ('structure and tradition will sort out your life') and Andrew Tate ('women should be your property'), they hope their message will gain traction with western men who are struggling to build careers or relationships.
Always love seeing a new video by the SkepTick. Always guaranteed to be good. Also, technically, “Jewish” is a religion and a group of people but whatever…semantics! Lol
God is fiction in EVERY religion, culture, and language, everywhere, every second of every day, 365. God is human manufactured fiction to cope with reality.
Amusing. He liked the attitude of Islam more, so now Islam is true. Sometimes i feel religion is not really a problem, or 'the' problem, but there is some kind of mental condition that impairs how do you sort things into true and false.
18:48 - What? Adam was the first prophet? What did he prophesy? Is there even *_one_* prophecy attributed to Adam? How the f*ck can anyone be a prophet without ever having made a single prophecy?
Similarly, what message did he even bring? Who was his targeted audience? This whole thing is an utter farce. Not to mention the fact the whole concept of all of humanity descending from an original human couple is without a doubt falsified by mountains of evidence.
Whatever fairy tale you need to keep yourself together, it's whatever. But why is this one-upmanship necessary? It's damaging to society. Room temp IQs all.
Atheism is wrong only if you falsely assume your religion to be the one and only valid religion and world view. Thing is, that not a single apologist ever showed the correctness of their religion and it's pet god. In fact, the mere existence of those apologists is a strong point AGAINST their favourite pet god. He shows some double standard. He's all two weight, two measures. All in all, the only thing that he produced in his video, is blow some hot air. So, his allah never changed and his law never changed ? Then, why are there more than one islamic factions ?
@@irrelevant_noob I thought he said “high tea” (fancy/indulgent) not “high-T” (high testosterone). I wish someone could confirm the words used. It makes more sense to me in the context they were using.
@@davidneilson5052 indeed, i wish that were the case too... Before i got to that bit, i had thought Bobby might've meant "high-tier" and just didn't enunciate it clearly enough.
We never get any reasoning from Muslims etc as to why Monotheism is necessarily more true than PolyTheism. They do realise that Payley's watch would have been a team effort in both design and manufacture?
That Theist basicly asked how we can trust anything that is subjective opinion if not grounded in... and there is where he does not get it... an imaginary sky-wizards subjective opinion. Cause even... IF.. he could proof his imaginary Sky-Wizard to exist, that things opinion would still be ... subjective opinion and not objective. The main difference between Theists and Non-Theists is that Theists "..ground.." their Actions in an already overused excuse; "..Cause God says so!.." while the Non-Theists are at least try to give an entire List of WHY something is or isnt problematic. And thats why i say that its actually the Theists who dont have a Moral-Standard, cause as soon as they believe that their God-Thingy commands them to do a 180° spin, they will do a 180° Spin without questioning it.
Oh my fucking non-existent god, I'm so glad someone said it. Every time this yahoo mentioned "moral grounding" or "objective morality" it made me wanna just scream. lol
@@hrobi97 Very understandable. Theists really have this tendency of claiming the Moral high-Ground. And super frustrating to listen to if some of them do that in the same speech where they make up excuses for Acts that even they would call immoral under normal circumstances. -.-
Martin Wagner (I'm pretty sure, but a small piece of me thinks it might have been Russell) who used to be on AXP identified as Jewish Atheist frequently. Due to his heritage being Jewish, but being Atheist. He claimed it's a really common identifier 🤷♀️
In the end it means little else than saying "American Christian", just that American is a lot more vaguely defined than Jewish. And that you can say you're a Jewish Jew :D
A Christian turning Muslim because Christianity is silly, is like someone who drinks alcohol and then stops drinking alcohol, but does hard drugs instead, because "alcohol is bad for you" ...
Haha. I love it when dipshts try and present anything along the lines of 'Atheism is false'. Obviously it's just an absurd notion on the face of it. Even being generous and letting it stand as an argument just causes it to fundamentally fall apart when the confused numpty presenting it, fails to do the _only_ thing that could counter it - Namely, producing _the_ particular deity (or any evidence for *that* deity) that they're adamant renders atheism null. Apologists still like to pretend that they're not the ones just peddling made-up BS. Literally thinking that they can argue a different reality into existence by simply defining things as "created", which "requires" a "necessary" "creator", an "uncaused first cause" which "must" be a "creator" because of everything being "created'. A "god" devoid of, and defined by, its complete lack of _any_ actually detectable and measurable properties; while being full of abstract nonsense ones, like , "maximal greatness" and "necessary in all possible worlds". Anyway. The title alone made me laugh, which is awesome.
One thing I don't understand is the claim of "internal God-given laws." If we already have God's laws within us, why do we even need a religious text or someone to tell us what God wants us to do? This makes no sense.
Not only that, if we have those laws in us, that means when my moral system says something is wrong, but religious doctrine says its right ... well, it's wrong because of the "God given laws inside of us" ... Weird how that suddenly backfires, isn't it? XD
Poor Bobby, his little 'p' made him join the big 't.' Every thing he said is the number one reason why I became an atheist. I like evidence and an ability to change; that's sciences strength dear Bobby, not its weakness; not the rigidity he is so proud to keep mentioning as a strength to his ridiculous, let us stay ignorant, belief system.
Mr Skeptick in 19:12 those verses don't contradict with each other God said he created Adam from clay then made his descendants from humble fluids Qur'an 32:7-8 - [7] Who has perfected everything He created. And He originated the creation of humankind from clay. [8] Then He made his descendants from an extract of a humble fluid, so when God says from clay or fluid or mixed fluid those aren't contradiction because both are correct, And the verse on the bottom right doesn't say "created from nothing" read it again
even IF I allow that, what about the clot, the dust... clay and dust are VERY different... as is a clot of blood! sorry... but the god got it wrong at least twice...
@TheSkepTick No no Mr Skeptic you just didn't understand the verses let me explain The clot is a later stage in creation in the womb The stages of creation in Qur'an is God from dust and water got clay in which he made Adam and from Adam Humankind is created through the natural brith cycle some verse mention the whole thing like Qur'an 40:67 - He is the One Who created you from dust, then from a sperm-drop, then ˹developed you into˺ a clinging clot, then He brings you forth as infants, so that you may reach your prime, and become old-though some of you ˹may˺ die sooner-reaching an appointed time, so perhaps you may understand ˹Allah’s power˺. So this is not a contradiction God sometimes mention later stages before earlier and sometimes mention the very first stage "dust"
@@TheSkepTick No Mr skeptic this verse is not about Adam it is about humankind as a whole it mention dust at the first to remind us of our very origin, you were created from sperm drop from your father and your father was created from a sperm drop from his father and if you go back the generations you will reach our Great father Adam and he was created from dust so to say you were created from dust is not wrong in this sense Adam and Jesus are just two special cases Adam didn't go through the brith cycle and Jesus (pbuh) went through the brith cycle but didn't have a father Qur'an - 3:59 Indeed, the example of Jesus in the sight of Allah is like that of Adam. He created him from dust, then said to him, “Be!” And he was!
kind of curious why his voice got deeper over the years. Like, is he trying to sound deeper as if it makes him more manly or something? Because, he's got serious fragile overinflated ego energy there.
I always thought "High T" meant High Table, metaphorically referencing an elevated or exclusive level within a group or organization. It could signify a place of influence, power, or prominence, often associated with certain privileges or a higher status.
I need god to be happy? But what if Monster Energy Drink, Pornography and dressing in womens clothing is what makes me happy? Then your god is opposed to my happiness? Well that is just mean, what did I ever do to your unworshippable god to make her so upset?
@Justas399 and of course we know religion is false and made-up. Something our ancestors made up to explain all the things in this world that they could not explain themselves.
@sciencepatrol1650 I remember reading a book about the Jim Crow South, and there was this journalist in Louisiana that used that very phrase when it pertained to black people.
Congratulations Bobby, you left stupid for crazy. Troglodyte wishes to live in the bronze age, well he's welcome to it, but that doesn't imply we should all suffer for it.
Bobby Bellend talking out of his Arse, he'll be sorry when Odin gets hold of him.
Or Lisa the rainbow giraffe, leaf be upon her.
@@goofusmaximus1482Moorhen!
@@goofusmaximus1482more hen
Bobby is so defensively butt-hurt ... he doesn't like that others are able to find morality or meaning without his preferred authority figure
It's pretty "Low-T" to be obsequious like that, isn't it?
"Debunking atheism"
How can you debunk a lack of belief?
They can't seem to grasp that it's simply a lack of belief in any God(s). Or they won't for self preservation.
Usually theists claim that atheists do believe in God, they just deny it for "reasons". Or that atheism is a religion. Or that atheists believe in science\evolutionism as their religion.
It's idiotic, but what can you expect from gullible flock?
They cling to the straw man that atheists are making a positive claim so they can derail the debate. ( They really hate having a burden of proof when the opposition does not. )
I mean, I would consider a demonstration that we do, actually, believe in God in our hearts as a debunking of atheism.
Like, some apologists claim that we only _think_ we don't believe in God, but actually still do, just suppressing it.
Proving that to be true _would_ debunk atheism, as it would mean we do indeed believe in God.
By quoting Romans 1, 18 to 20 usually. Not that it impresses any atheists.
I THOUGHT Bobby was going to debunk atheism, meaning, demonstrate a deity. Bobby said a whole lot of words, and demonstrated, nothing.
"Things don't progress. Man's ideas don't make things better." Says the guy using the internet and benefiting from modern meds, etc.
This is where SkepTick's political bias ruined his argument. He was talking about progressive *ideology*, not scientific advancements. His argument was that man's *political* ideas about *society* don't make things better. You have to attack that nonsense, not go off on an unrelated tangent about science. That's a straw man.
This is the problem with the progressives calling themselves that, they've now corrupted that word, stolen it for themselves, so now you can't talk about progressing without bundling the political ideology with scientific advancements. He had a problem with the ideology, "but what about the science". You want to praise scientific advancements, "so you agree with the ideology". Progress just means changes made towards a goal, the goal doesn't have to be the progressive ideology.
Well hair loss medicines haven't worked for him, so yeah, no real progress
yeah, because progress to exists has to be 100%, if society suffer from new problems, does not matter how rare or new they are, all advances should be ignore and everything reverted back centuries
Like as if his beliefs aren't man made.
Then again, do we really expect theists to know what they are arguing for?
He has clothes on, lives in a nice, water tight, tepmerature-controlled house with nice furniture, uses an electric or gas cooker to cook food, or eats at restaurants where the food is cooked for him with cookers, he has a fridge and a freezer, washing machine and dryer, drives a car probably with air con for hot days and heater for cold, drives on smooth, level roads, walks on pavements to keep him safe from traffic, stops at traffic lights so he doesn't crash, uses toothpaste, soap, moisturisers, medicines, watches television and uses the Internet on his phone which contains all the world's knowledge should he want to know it.... yeh I mean.... everything humans do is useless for humans.
I love how he claims Islam is equal and for everyone man and woman then shows a clip of 3 females standing around a table serving two men sitting comfortably eating like the women are their slaves
I wonder if he’s aware of the word “oblivious.”
Also I’d like to point out that the men are dressed very comfortably. The women…not so much.
Not to mention the fact that in the mosque the men worship in the nice main hall and the women in a different one not so plushy.
Traditional gender roles define women as having only one role - homemaker, while men (in their role as bread winners) have the freedom to chose or change their occupation at will.
Fr though
Gods who have personal relationships don’t need middle men apologists. The fact that there are so many apologists is the only debunking you need.
Agree. I make a similar comment pretty frequently on apologist videos.
If the bible is the perfect inerrant word of god that & their belief shouldn't need apologists. By taking it on themselves to explain it to others are they not offending god?
That's not what the BIBLE says!
In Islam, there is no idea of a personal relationship with God: information only comes through his prophet, whose every word is true because he is a prophet. Islam is all about the middle-man (so there can be no pesky arguments about what a god might want).
@@ianchisholm5756do you actually believe that?
@@Hi-cu2vx I think the Quran and Hadiths are pretty clear that Allah speaks only through prophets, that Mohamed is the last and greatest of the prophets, and that all muslims must follow the example of Mohamed's life.
Ah, yes. "Women are equal! They just have this separate, equally important though not equally powerful role. And no choosing their own roles in life, that's not allowed." That one is always a damn lie.
Don't you know the Islamic countries are not anti-women because they have feminism, so much so that the entire movement is supported by men? The entire organisation has none other than men. The women, while getting support from men, are tasked to babysit and cook. These men are very helpful with feminism, don't you think?
A play on words, doesn't work at all on atheists but works like a charm on Muslims.
@@j.mtherandomguy8701 I first heard that from Bahai's, in fact.
I love how he equates "The west" with "Atheism" or "being non-religious". As again, the west is a collective noun that doesn't specify atheism or non-religiousness, it includes Christian-secular, secular, and strictly Christian, and even a little bit of islamic nations. Again, giving off the very misunderstood idea of "secularism = Atheism" which Muslims think of.
Theist: "Why do you think everything came from nothing?"
Atheist: "I don't"
Theist: "How can jusrify your belief that everything came from nothing?"
Atheist: "I just said, I dont think that"
Theist: "You require too much faith because you think everything came from nothing"
Atheist: "Whatever"
Theist: "Checkmate"
It's called _argumentum ad baculum._ Literally, argument from a club, in the sense that you beat people over the head with your argument until they give in.
Also a valid interpretation of baculum in that phrase: The baculum (os penis) is a bone found within the penis of certain mammals, including many primates, rodents, bats, carnivores, and some insectivores.
That conversation seems way too familiar.
"If I repeat myself, then the opposition will eventually accept, what im asserting" -every theist ever.
Me, 😂😂😂😂
Theists never understand that the word ‘belief’ has a different meaning to the word ‘fact’. You can’t claim that your beliefs are facts, unless you can prove that they are facts. Merely claiming that your beliefs are facts proves nothing. People believe in lots of things that they cannot demonstrate to be factual, and that applies to both Christianity, and Islam. Creation myths are supported by the special pleading fallacy, such that the rules that apply to the universe do not apply to the alleged creator of the universe.
It always stuns me when theists say that athiests are moralless because we don't have a really old book to tell us what is right or wrong. If anything, athiests are MORE moral because we have the freedom to adapt, develop, and improve our morals over time, whereas the religious people have to handwave the fact that their holy book condones slavery and other awful things.
Christianity: A book says a thing. And we'd like you to listen.
Islam: A book really says a thing. And you'd better listen.
Atheist: whatever...
To be fair “agree or die” were the 2 Christian options for a few centuries.
@@justanotheropinion5832 well sometimes they were nice and gave them the option to leave their homes and flee somewhere else.
@@Dock284and this somehow makes it better lmao🤣🤣
He who sacrificed himself when he realized that ascending to godhood would break reality, truly a benevolent sage.
@@mr.tamoshanter50 Sorry I belong to the Kender Church of Burrfoot.
This Bobby dude is a specialist at missing the point.
Im pretty sure Bobby failed the min IQ check of 60 for christianity and had to believe elsewhere.
@@fomori2 it's a 35 IQ check, but yeah. At least he wasn't demoted to orthodox judaism though, so he has at least 15 IQ points going for him.
We joke about a low IQ, but I have friends who would fail the introduction to an IQ test and likely score below 40 if they tried taking such test anyway, and they don't believe in fairy tales despite being raised religious. Or perhaps because they were raised that way.
Either way they feel religion as restricting and hateful and gaslighting and they see no divine justice and have no faith that a loving god exists or is worth worshiping if it did.
I think that's pretty smart. And they have the integrity to risk pissing off a god they don't think is worth worshiping.
I don't think it's a mystery why I'm friends with them and not with theists.
@@fomori2 you are indirektly implying that chrisianity is better in any way than islam...and thats just not the fact... the oly diverence is Muslim peole are just better at there religion.
8:35 One correction here, I'm also a Jewish Atheist. The "Jewish" part is more cultural than religious. There are many jewish atheists, I can see the confusion, you don't see many people that are atheist and something else lumped in, but I guess it would be akin to saying "hispanic atheist" or "european atheist" or "african atheist"
8:10 for more context.
lol yeah in that chase im a european atheist but not only that im 4th GENERATION and my sons is 5th.
So he didn't like Christianity being such an "offer the other cheek" religion with the suffering, and he wanted something simple, just a single god without any complications, so he... started believing in Islam.
I like that justification for believing something. I don't like me not being the only human that matters, so from now on, I'll accept it as true that the whole universe revolves around me and that other humans are just there to serve me. Bobby, come over here, make me a sammich or your existence will be worthless, and I'll have you killed by some other servant of mine. Your life doesn'T matter one bit unless you are serving me afterall, it's the truth according to your "reasoning", so you must accept it and either serve or die...
...or wait, little Bobby is just another one of those religious hypocrites, isn't he?
He basically proved Sam's point and showed himself to be a selfish grifter, not to be taken seriously by any intellectually sane individual.
Not to mention that the islamic divine only appears simple on the surface, when one does a bit more research into matters surrounding Aqeedah, one will realise that this simplicity is built upon a mountain of contradicting premises and descriptions.
One good example of this will be the issues concerning Allah's body parts, the Quran being a part of his uncreated attribute of speech, Allah's eternal interactive attributes that mandates constant creation to be fulfilled and consistent with how the Quran describes him and the issue of him being absolutely unlike his creation yet being described in human language which is reliant on a degree of similarity between Allah and his creation given that human language began as a way for us to quantify and understand the world around us.
Also, something being "simpler" doesn't make it true. The concept of "bad air", hubris and the "balance of bodily fluids" is a lot simpler and easier to understand for a lay person with no knowledge as compared to our modern understanding of diseases and ailments, doesn't make it true.
Testosterone? If you're so balanced, what killed your hair roots? Typically things don't grow in low nutrient soil.
14:30 - That part where the interviewer is talking about the oh-so-hopeless 12-16 year olds... Yeah, sounds like a typical citizen of the USA for whom no other parts of the world really exist. Certainly not Europe, and especially not the Nordic countries...
So sad when people not only show off their self-centered arrogance and ignorance, but base an _entire_ argument on that...
Middle East too. Depression and suicidal thoughts exist in all nations and on all continents. Depression itself is a symptom of many nerve disorders and parts of the brain that can't encode or produce dopamine in proper amounts. Disorders transient boards, race, and religions. So not sure why he thinks is only a West thing
Take my money and keep doing what you do. Well done, sir.
Errr hang on… how can atheism be irrational if you change religions? Before you changed you did not believe that islam was true, now you dont believe that christianity is true. You have already been an atheist twice. If you were irrational both times perhaps the problem lies with you not atheism.
If you are a theist and you say to an atheist "Prove yourself" "Show the evidence of god not existing" "Prove me wrong" and you also claim you can "debunk atheism", you are already wrong by definition and simple logic, you are empty handed and follow irrational thinking.
It's like saying, "Prove leprechauns don't exist." We can provide tons of evidence showing how incredibly unlikely it is for them to exist, but it's still impossible indefinitely prove it.
By their "logic" theists have to show evidence that every single god they don't believe in doesn't exist.😁
@@alexanderrichards239 emm, where did that come from? And this "logic" is actual logic 101, if you go otherwise you are literally irrational.
Theists are the ones who want their imaginary friend to be real and here you are saying "this logic" to actual rational thinking.
@@alexanderrichards239 it's like you made up your own problem and you blame me for it 😂, your comment has nothing to do.
@@AntitheistHuman No no, not your logic which is actual logic. I mean the "logic" of a theist that demands evidence for his gods non-existence.
It makes me sick to my stomach listening to him suggest that "Islam is for everyone, we just have different roles to play." Sure, it just so happens that the "role" of other humans is to be subservient to you. You didn't make the rules, right? Just playing your part making sure the "lesser" people stay in their place. How pious.
Hey skep, i hope the new baby and mama are doing well.
Thank you. All are doing great!
@@TheSkepTick thats good to hear 😄
~”We are an egalitarian religion that is a patriarchy.” Because those two things aren’t mutually exclusive… /s Hey, can I interest you in a democracy in which I am a king who makes all the decisions?
Islam also isn't in anyway or form egalitarian. Bobby is not only contradicting himself, he is also a pathological liar.
It reminds me of xenophob-egalitarians in Stellaris. "We want equal rights! Equal rights to oppress xenos!"
@@whelperw Orwell said it best: "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"
Is low-T when you are out of loose-leaf green tea for your infuser?
Just running out of tea in general
converting from Christianity to Islam is like jumping from pan to fire.
I REALLY hope that he follows man-made laws. I hope that he knows that it's illegal to murder or steal.😬😬
He'll know it's illegal to murder until he gets brainwashed enough to strap a bomb to his worthless self. Converts _love_ to show off how faithful they are to prove themselves; they're always the happiest and most eager to do more than their fellow cultists.
Honestly, whatever country he's in should have him on a watchlist, if they don't already.
he will anyways, either the one he knows are man made or the ones he does not know that are man made, at least one set of them is actually moral :V
I don't believe something came out of nothing. That's why I'm not a creationist
26:00 "Anything that you say is based upon nothing" - the guy owes me a new irony meter. Those things don't come cheap.
Bobby claiming that this is a debunking of "atheism" is especially dumb since he replied to exactly one atheist saying a bunch of specific things that aren't necessarily representative of what other atheists would say, and weren't even about making a case for atheism.
Leaf be upon you.
I honestly don't know why I'm getting free access to membership only content when it comes to a lot of the people that you have done colabs within the past is it you if so may Lisa the rainbow giraffe bestow leaves upon you!
Quick correction: I'm pretty sure you can be a Jewish atheist, as being Jewish is an ethno-religion. So if he's ethnically Jewish, that won't change if he's an atheist.
One of the prior host of axp (I think Martin) used to talk about this a lot. Only reason I know about the distinction
Is there a specific name for each part of the same one is used in both case? I don't exactly think about Jewish anything in general so I didn't really connected these facts together. You made me quite curious now. 👍
LOL Why has he not noticed his headphones are the wrong way around.
His head's on upside-down too
8:30 When he says "Jewish Atheist", he means Jewish in the ethnic sense.
A beard is neither a brain nor a phallus, and it’s pretty clear he only has one of the three.
Was Bobby as smug as a Christian as he is as a Muslim? I feel like he probably was.
100%
Maybe we'll find out when he turns buddhist.
The statement "religion is true" is an absurd concept, as the word religion does not designate any single ideology or philosophy, any one of which can be true or false.
And not all of which _could_ be true simultaneously...
@@irrelevant_noob and that my friend is why they are probably all false. Every one is made up by someone. None are natural occurring realities.
I keep hearing this guy talking in the Monty Python 'Gumbys' voice... 😂
"My braaaain huuuurts!" 😂
The testosterone argument revealed two things about that guy. First of all he was immediately defensive of it, he clearly thinks of himself as a high t bro dude, he thinks having too much testosterone that it makes you aggressive and misogynistic is a good thing. The second problem he had, and skeptick sort of did as well, is presenting the only two options as too much or not enough testosterone. The right amount to have is... the right amount, not too little. How did no one get that?!?!?! Have a NORMAL amount ffs. Being low t is also a problem.
Only if you want to breed.
@@petergaskin1811it can mess with your body, women have ir too. My testronome is usually way too low until my period, it causes severe depression and emotional regulation issues. Too low can also mess with your heart. Too high can too. Men and women with too much also havs emotional issues, reproductive issues (with women it can cause menstrual bleeding so bad you could die. My sibling has PCOS and nearly died from too much testronome). So everyone needs just the right amount and that varies from person to person
@@petergaskin1811 testosterone doesn't affect sexual behavior in humans. Hormones in general don't.
Or at least is not at all common according to research.
TIL there are neckbeard Muslims...and he unironically proved the toxic masculinity himself 😂
Keep on Tickin'.
Does Bobby have a shopping list of religions? What will be next years fashion?
There are only two reasons that an adult male would ever convert to Islam the first is, he was exposed to it heavily in prison, the second, his wife left him took his kids and has a restraining order against him.
Why does him saying converting sound like reverting
Reverting is exactly what he said. Apparently we're all born Muslims, so he believes he's simply going back to the way Allah made him.
@@richardfurness7556 the closest thing to muslim i've been is sitting in proximity to a muslim girl in school and another in university both were lovely girls and being raised christian before i deconverted(more of a christian in name only which is ironic because i am christian in name only)
@@richardfurness7556Which is a demonstration of his false beliefs.
Wow. An atheist who doesn’t understand cosmology, evolution, the scientific method, the morality problem, empathy or what reality actually says about human happiness.
No, wait: the atheist understood all of those, it was the guy who has been indoctrinated after all. Colour me surprised!
"jew" has 2 meanings : faith, and lineage. When Bobby said "atheist jew", he's saying Harris is of jew lineage and is atheist. And given that there was no reason to include the lineage of Harris in the mix, I'd say this was Bobby showing his anti-semitism.
Just a little bit!
The very same people that says we say nothing came from nothing are the same people that believe an invisible sky wizard proof the universe into existence using an incantation spell.
From nothing!
And the atheist will you that he comes from the goo to the zoo to you.
@@Justas399What???
@@grapeshot that’s right
@Justas399 spoiler alert, there are people out there who just will not believe in the existence of your invisible sky wizard
Sorry I just can't watch this video you are doing a great job, as usual. The yahoo "debunking atheism" is just painful to listen to
I understand
That's what muting the tab and letting it run on a second monitor or smartphone is for :D
Hey, Jewish atheist here. It's a valid label a lot of people use. Judaism is unique amongst monotheistic faiths in that it does not require belief in God, and is more strongly tied into culture and heritage and principals than belief. The majority of Jews are secular and a good portion of those are also atheist.
Aithest jew here too. Nice to see a fellow sibling here. We personally don't go to temple, but are considering it just to be with other memembers of the community, not for belief in a God.
Bobby switched to Islam because he read Leviticus after getting the tattoos
Thanks for the vid sceptic! Hope you and the tiny human are doing alright. Leaf be upon you and your family. More hen 💕
Atheism irrational? Only if you think there is more to not believing in god and strawman it 😬
52% of people in the UK have no religion. 84.9 % of those aged 10-15 report they are relatively happy with their lives. So much for needing religious belief.
Are Bobby's claims based on reality, or are they based on wishful thinking on his part and thus pure invention?
Countries that are more secular also report having the happiest people.
The same in Belgium. I just read a study showing that we are in the top ten worldwide for satisfaction among teenagers.
The "selection" part of Artificial Selection removes some randomness from evolution.
Everything happens randomly, then the good things are kept, and the bad things are lost.
Adam is a prophet? Prophet to whom? Animals? Plants? Fungi? Bacteria? Inanimate objects? Has any theists ever think of this critically before saying it out loud? It's like I'm saying I'm the translator for a forest. Of course, they never bother telling you what Adam was proselytising to. That's just how it is
Also, what was his prophecy? What did he prophesy?
Holy sh*t,everything about Bobby oozes "does not understand informed consent"
Bobby gives violent vibes. Would anyone be surprised if he had a record for assault?
I don't know if he's violent, but i think women were one of the main reasons he changed colors. He surely prefers a more overtly patriarchal society.
Religion here in the 21st century is so outdated.
Well, I gotta give him some credit...he separated the Big Bang from evolution. Was not expecting that
A lot of online muslim apologists currently see an opportunity to offer young men status and control over women. Like Jordan Peterson ('structure and tradition will sort out your life') and Andrew Tate ('women should be your property'), they hope their message will gain traction with western men who are struggling to build careers or relationships.
Always love seeing a new video by the SkepTick. Always guaranteed to be good. Also, technically, “Jewish” is a religion and a group of people but whatever…semantics! Lol
I appreciate that!
Semitics*
(I know... but briefly for the funny.l
Mhm, by that logic, are people with reading/writing antisemantics?
Every time theists and other cultists talk about Man’s Law I just hear, “You can’t tell me what to do! You’re not my real dad!”
Well, I got through a few a minutes of this, and now I give up 😭 Now to watch a knock down drag out WW 2 movie 🎥
"The High T can't control the low D" 🤣🤣
Wonderfully illustrated at 12:32. :)
God is fiction in EVERY religion, culture, and language, everywhere, every second of every day, 365. God is human manufactured fiction to cope with reality.
Amusing. He liked the attitude of Islam more, so now Islam is true.
Sometimes i feel religion is not really a problem, or 'the' problem, but there is some kind of mental condition that impairs how do you sort things into true and false.
Just like evangelism is sales, choosing a religion is mainly what's going to profit you more (or y'know, being forced into it).
Bobby is very insecure about his status as a man.
I think low t is supposed to be low testosterone, so an intended insult to manliness.
18:48 - What? Adam was the first prophet? What did he prophesy? Is there even *_one_* prophecy attributed to Adam? How the f*ck can anyone be a prophet without ever having made a single prophecy?
Reasons? 🤷♂️ They never actually answer those questions because they can't.
Similarly, what message did he even bring? Who was his targeted audience? This whole thing is an utter farce.
Not to mention the fact the whole concept of all of humanity descending from an original human couple is without a doubt falsified by mountains of evidence.
Whatever fairy tale you need to keep yourself together, it's whatever. But why is this one-upmanship necessary? It's damaging to society. Room temp IQs all.
Thank you SkepTick for your superb work! What you do contributes to the progress of humanity, indispensable information! 👏
I just really enjoy pointing out silliness
@@TheSkepTick ..and for that ❤️
Atheism is wrong only if you falsely assume your religion to be the one and only valid religion and world view. Thing is, that not a single apologist ever showed the correctness of their religion and it's pet god. In fact, the mere existence of those apologists is a strong point AGAINST their favourite pet god.
He shows some double standard. He's all two weight, two measures. All in all, the only thing that he produced in his video, is blow some hot air.
So, his allah never changed and his law never changed ? Then, why are there more than one islamic factions ?
The fact that Bobby immediately jumped to testosterone, just shows what he’s thinking about without any help from other people.
Well it was somewhat prompted by Sam using "high-T" in his statement (10:50)...
@@irrelevant_noob I thought he said “high tea” (fancy/indulgent) not “high-T” (high testosterone). I wish someone could confirm the words used. It makes more sense to me in the context they were using.
@@davidneilson5052 indeed, i wish that were the case too... Before i got to that bit, i had thought Bobby might've meant "high-tier" and just didn't enunciate it clearly enough.
We never get any reasoning from Muslims etc as to why Monotheism is necessarily more true than PolyTheism. They do realise that Payley's watch would have been a team effort in both design and manufacture?
Dude actually made a good point about the trinity making Christianity polytheism. See .. even a broken clock can be right 2xs a day.
As a matter of fact, theists are almost 100% accurate when describing the silliness of other religions.
A demonstration of ignorance & arrogance.
That Theist basicly asked how we can trust anything that is subjective opinion if not grounded in... and there is where he does not get it... an imaginary sky-wizards subjective opinion.
Cause even... IF.. he could proof his imaginary Sky-Wizard to exist, that things opinion would still be ... subjective opinion and not objective.
The main difference between Theists and Non-Theists is that Theists "..ground.." their Actions in an already overused excuse; "..Cause God says so!.."
while the Non-Theists are at least try to give an entire List of WHY something is or isnt problematic.
And thats why i say that its actually the Theists who dont have a Moral-Standard, cause as soon as they believe that their God-Thingy commands them to do a 180° spin, they will do a 180° Spin without questioning it.
Oh my fucking non-existent god, I'm so glad someone said it. Every time this yahoo mentioned "moral grounding" or "objective morality" it made me wanna just scream. lol
@@hrobi97
Very understandable. Theists really have this tendency of claiming the Moral high-Ground.
And super frustrating to listen to if some of them do that in the same speech where they make up excuses for Acts that even they would call immoral under normal circumstances. -.-
Martin Wagner (I'm pretty sure, but a small piece of me thinks it might have been Russell) who used to be on AXP identified as Jewish Atheist frequently. Due to his heritage being Jewish, but being Atheist. He claimed it's a really common identifier 🤷♀️
In the end it means little else than saying "American Christian", just that American is a lot more vaguely defined than Jewish. And that you can say you're a Jewish Jew :D
A Christian turning Muslim because Christianity is silly, is like someone who drinks alcohol and then stops drinking alcohol, but does hard drugs instead, because "alcohol is bad for you" ...
I know a few people like that, actually.
Work can wait!
Bobby ... deep breaths dude ... goose-fra-ba. 👂
Haha. I love it when dipshts try and present anything along the lines of 'Atheism is false'.
Obviously it's just an absurd notion on the face of it. Even being generous and letting it stand as an argument just causes it to fundamentally fall apart when the confused numpty presenting it, fails to do the _only_ thing that could counter it - Namely, producing _the_ particular deity (or any evidence for *that* deity) that they're adamant renders atheism null.
Apologists still like to pretend that they're not the ones just peddling made-up BS.
Literally thinking that they can argue a different reality into existence by simply defining things as "created", which "requires" a "necessary" "creator", an "uncaused first cause" which "must" be a "creator" because of everything being "created'. A "god" devoid of, and defined by, its complete lack of _any_ actually detectable and measurable properties; while being full of abstract nonsense ones, like , "maximal greatness" and "necessary in all possible worlds".
Anyway. The title alone made me laugh, which is awesome.
One thing I don't understand is the claim of "internal God-given laws." If we already have God's laws within us, why do we even need a religious text or someone to tell us what God wants us to do?
This makes no sense.
Not only that, if we have those laws in us, that means when my moral system says something is wrong, but religious doctrine says its right ... well, it's wrong because of the "God given laws inside of us" ...
Weird how that suddenly backfires, isn't it? XD
Poor Bobby, his little 'p' made him join the big 't.' Every thing he said is the number one reason why I became an atheist. I like evidence and an ability to change; that's sciences strength dear Bobby, not its weakness; not the rigidity he is so proud to keep mentioning as a strength to his ridiculous, let us stay ignorant, belief system.
Dovakin; He died for your shins.
Mr Skeptick in 19:12 those verses don't contradict with each other God said he created Adam from clay then made his descendants from humble fluids
Qur'an 32:7-8 - [7] Who has perfected everything He created. And He originated the creation of humankind from clay. [8] Then He made his descendants from an extract of a humble fluid,
so when God says from clay or fluid or mixed fluid those aren't contradiction because both are correct, And the verse on the bottom right doesn't say "created from nothing" read it again
even IF I allow that, what about the clot, the dust... clay and dust are VERY different... as is a clot of blood! sorry... but the god got it wrong at least twice...
@TheSkepTick No no Mr Skeptic you just didn't understand the verses let me explain
The clot is a later stage in creation in the womb
The stages of creation in Qur'an is God from dust and water got clay in which he made Adam and from Adam Humankind is created through the natural brith cycle some verse mention the whole thing like
Qur'an 40:67 - He is the One Who created you from dust, then from a sperm-drop, then ˹developed you into˺ a clinging clot, then He brings you forth as infants, so that you may reach your prime, and become old-though some of you ˹may˺ die sooner-reaching an appointed time, so perhaps you may understand ˹Allah’s power˺.
So this is not a contradiction God sometimes mention later stages before earlier and sometimes mention the very first stage "dust"
@@ibrahimahmed8062 So Adam wasn't the first human and was created in a womb? So the god god that wrong?
@@TheSkepTick No Mr skeptic this verse is not about Adam it is about humankind as a whole it mention dust at the first to remind us of our very origin, you were created from sperm drop from your father and your father was created from a sperm drop from his father and if you go back the generations you will reach our Great father Adam and he was created from dust so to say you were created from dust is not wrong in this sense
Adam and Jesus are just two special cases
Adam didn't go through the brith cycle and Jesus (pbuh) went through the brith cycle but didn't have a father
Qur'an - 3:59 Indeed, the example of Jesus in the sight of Allah is like that of Adam. He created him from dust, then said to him, “Be!” And he was!
Great way of twisting the verses to fit your narrative, despite them not actually saying that. Keep playing that game to convince yourself.
24:41 - uhmm.... yes. Should we make laws totally divorced from what's god for society?
You tell me that a god exists. I say, I don't believe you. There, Atheism in truth.
kind of curious why his voice got deeper over the years. Like, is he trying to sound deeper as if it makes him more manly or something? Because, he's got serious fragile overinflated ego energy there.
2:45 - 2:52 "I don't accept that there was ever nothing, because here we are, as something"
Excuse you?
I always thought "High T" meant High Table, metaphorically referencing an elevated or exclusive level within a group or organization. It could signify a place of influence, power, or prominence, often associated with certain privileges or a higher status.
Nope, you're wrong, there are quite a few Jewish atheists. You can be culturally Jewish, while not believing in any gods.
Now what do the various religions think about progesterone?
I need god to be happy? But what if Monster Energy Drink, Pornography and dressing in womens clothing is what makes me happy? Then your god is opposed to my happiness? Well that is just mean, what did I ever do to your unworshippable god to make her so upset?
Which religion is true there's thousands of them not to mention the tens of thousands of subsets in those religions.
I’m not convinced any are true. At all.
One thing we all know is that atheism is false.
@Justas399 and of course we know religion is false and made-up. Something our ancestors made up to explain all the things in this world that they could not explain themselves.
Islam claims to be the "final solution..." Now where have I heard that before???
@sciencepatrol1650 I remember reading a book about the Jim Crow South, and there was this journalist in Louisiana that used that very phrase when it pertained to black people.
instant sub. Why are all the Muslim apologists bizarre?
The only thing that is more
fooIish than having a god is
switching it out for another one
😅🤦🏻...
Why is it that whilst most secular people look to the future, a lot of the religious, yearn for the ancient past? 🤔
Congratulations Bobby, you left stupid for crazy. Troglodyte wishes to live in the bronze age, well he's welcome to it, but that doesn't imply we should all suffer for it.