Looking at him I see traits of american indian, peruvian if I had to guess but possibly even had aztec ancestry himself. Did his ancestors go to hell, or maybe they chose the right god and hes going.
I have 2 friends who both took Comparative Religion in college. One is Muslim, the other is a Christian Creationist. Both came away from the courses convinced that their respective religion was the only one with any real evidence backing it up. I, the atheist, just smile and say, "Sure it is, buddy. Sure it is." It was so easy for them to see how the evidence for other faiths don't hold up, but they _still_ couldn't apply that reasoning to their own.
Gods perfect creation cant be trusted not to be lil a$$holes, so a cosmic timeout room was developed before they even existed for the day they would follow a set script to bring sin into the world. Never-mind the fate of Adam and Lilith er, I mean Eve violates free will as one cant freely choose to do anything if they are destined in advance to do the thing that released sin into the world. Doesn't matter how you repackage their own stupid beliefs... to them it makes sense, and when shown it doesn't to everyone else.. well everyone else is wrong.. because God cant be.. because a book written by 40 people over 1500 years retconned and kept on retconning.
Don't you wish there was a _consequence_ to theists saying that crap? It's a lie, for the most part, but they're _still_ publicly saying that their fondest desire is to hurt people. Shit like that should get them put on a list. No-fly lists at the very least; that way if they ever stopped tithing long enough to afford leaving Bumpkin, Nevada they could get turned away at the airport and arrested for making threats. It's a real shame there's no justice in the world... they keep getting away with FA without the FO.
"Atheists think the holocaust was moral because people voted for Hitler" Pretty sure we had a war about it because the rest of the world thought it was a bad thing. I think that it was even in the news, so I don't know how he missed that one.
Most people who knew about it in the first place (which was a pretty small number of people for the longest time...) were conditioned to not see their victims as humans - which is why I'm so disgusted when I see anyone use dehumanizing language... Even one instance would be one too many, but it's happening _far_ more often than that... 🤮😭
I’m honestly at the point of asking, “Who the hell is Richard Dawkins?” because I feel like pretending not to know who he is is the only way to convince some theists that we don’t revere him as some kind of leader.
Or Darwin when they do that thing where they try to focus on his racism (which was actually pretty mild compared to everyone else at the time) and then try to claim him as one of their own because they misread a fraction of a quote and his whole religious background. Atheism doesn't have a pope and even if we did, it sure as hell wouldn't be Dawkins.
If it makes you feel any better, they aren't getting any worse. They've always been this bad, you must've just blissfully missed the worst of it so far. Although... I could be wrong; they're using AI to generate gibberish now and that might qualify as 'getting worse'.
@Cat_Woods that's an incoherent statement, how can you knkw some intelligent Christians yet say 100 percent of them are stupid, plus do you know 100 percent of all Christians to say that? Sounds bigoted to me but then again being a bigot, racist, hateful isn't wrong to you guys lol
@@joperhop I'm not the one praying, believers are. A plan, huh ... there I thought we had free will. If there is a plan, we can't step out, if we can, no plan. In any way, you have nothing but baseless claims.
But all the atheists and "atheists" he showed weren't making arguments against a god's existence. They were making arguments for why the god of the bible, in particular, is not moral. Ears was responding to the wrong argument (because, of course, you really can't argue that Bible God is moral if you actually read the thing). SkepTick, of course, gave all the reasons why morality doesn't prove a god, but Ears wasn't even having the right conversation to begin with.
The guy implies (infers?) that grape is evil (which it is obviously) yet the OLD TESTAMENT says that a just punishment for graping a young woman that happens to catch your fancy (if you get caught of course) is that you have to marry her. 😑
Atheist: "I'm not a fan of Greek yogurt, it's kinda gross" This f'n guy: "So you're saying that God made a mistake when he created Adam and Eve? This proves you think God exists because you have [blah blah malformed gibberish for an hour]" Atheist: **left an hour ago**
12:43 I'm amused that he goes out of his way quoting an atheist saying that morality is a social tool for reproduction, and then immediately follows it up with saying that atheists believe that morality is an illusion. Did he seriously not understand anything that quote said?
If his intended audience is atheists then of course it’s a fail. But if his intended audience is other Christians then it makes perfect sense. The latter won’t think through the implications of the two claims together, but will simply see the first as atheists being wrong and the second as something to agree with.
I hate the free will argument. Does a kid have the 'free will' to be "SA'D?" Yet the omnipresent God watches and let's the attack happen. That means he give the free will of the attacker priority. Any person who has the ability to save the child would intervene ASAP. Making them more moral than God.
The reality is there is no free will or free choice, in this world or in religion. Not because a god exists but because there are agencies and agendas that are constantly working to force us to make decisions the way they think we should and if we don't, they find another way to enact it.
I'm glad this guy is a Christian and I hope he stays one, as usual with this type of Christian that is only moral because someone else is telling him what's right and what's wrong since he can't figure that out on his own.
That’s my take on a lot of theists, too. If they need to believe in a god with a carrot and a stick to stop them murdering and r@ping, then by all means, believe! Believe as hard as you can! I’ll sleep much easier knowing you’re out there, full to the brim with your socially necessary belief, because you clearly lack a moral compass of your own.
When theists tell you that a god is required for morality, Ask them: "If humans are incapable of judging morality for themselves, then how are they able to judge a god's morality (or what is claimed to be god's morality)?" and/or "By what objective standard, did you judge your god's subjective standard?"
"You can't condemn people if they're just meat machines." Yes, we can. Because said meat machines operate by learning from consequences, and that includes the consequences we inflict upon them (and vice versa) for undesirable behaviors. We're all part of the equation. Regardless of whether you think humans are responsible for our own behaviors or not, we must treat each other as though we are in order to achieve acceptable results.
Even if everything is deterministic so that on some level we lack free will, we still have the perfect illusion of free will. We have no choice but to make choices. Or as Neil Peart put it in the Rush song _Freewill_ : _If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice._
@@stylesrj You're right, he wanted a heart - I always think of empty cans when thinking of him. That said, this guy could also use a lot more heart ie empathy.
I am sure party members in Nazi Germany didn't see their actions as immoral, but almost everyone else did see them as immoral. So no, they aren't justified.
We can see this dynamic even today. People find reasons and declare another group of people as inhuman and dangerous. Now everything we do to them is self defense and for the greater good.
Theists basicly: "How could anyone go shopping in the Grocery-Store without being lead by Hand?" Meanwhile Shoppers go shopping alone without problems. Theists: "No. No. The there must be an invisible Person leading those Shoppers by the Hand, cause how else should they be able to find the correct ailes?"
@@spacepope69 Clearly you didn't put enough faith in the Invisible Shopper Helper and instead are in the enthrallment of the sinister and evil... umm... Evil Grocery Staff who ask you questions like "Can I help you?" in order to mislead and confuse you from the true path of the Invisible Shopper Helper!
These apologists say that morality is objective, but then say "God made morality so he makes the rules". You can't have it both ways. If God made morality, then its subjective.
@@tezzerii Wait, but don't they also say he's the objective lawmaker that made those objective truths... but if the laws he makes are based on objective truths then he must have an objective lawmaker to have created those objective laws and wouldn't him being the lawmaker be a circular argument or something... I dunno, apologetics confuse me...
I swear! Not a single theist has ever seen a dog acting guilty when they know they did something wrong. They think all animals are mindless self interested robots.
@@isidoreaerys8745 i agree wholeheartedly animals can love dream show affection and empathy it maybe proto moral but still this is an absolute problem for theism.
Some of the research over the last few years into behaviours in primates is fascinating. It is a real shock (or was to me who had never really considered it) how well developed "moral" systems are in their social groups.
@@christophersandford5888 It ain't morals so much as an basic understanding of how the other will react to certain stimuli. "If I hit other chimp, other chimp hit back."
"Because God exist, he gets to define what our value and purpose is." Ah, so "Might makes right then". As pointed out, the "objective morals" of religion wouldn't seem ring so falsely if the "God" didn't break pretty much every big "moral rule" in the book, and the theist themself also fully ignore most of the "morals" while asserting that the ones that clearly give an evolutionary advantage is "only because God says so"...
I love the part where he says that we value other people because god values humans. You know, the god that so valued humans that he cursed them with a curse that requires a human sacrifice to abate, killed all but 8 people in a mythical flood, blasted two cities into atoms without knowing whether or not there was a single righteous person in them?
Hey, dude the 1950's called and said Just Stop! I was explained the difference between good and evil by a six year old that has never been exposed to the christianism dogma. I quote; 'Good is when you do something that makes mom happy. Evil is bad because it makes mom mad.' Pressed where she learned this I got; 'I make sense that this is true, no one told me the difference, I learned it because I like mom when she is happy, so I do good, not evil.' So I ask why Good and evil. she explained 'Bad is what food tastes like when not cooked well.' I stopped there and excepted that there was truly no Grand Old Deception required. Ba'al yes that is the one ... Peace
Hearing apologists pontificate about atheist's morality, is rather painful. Not gonna say that the philosophy of morality can't get complicated. But the misrepresentations are usually at an amazingly low level.
They tend to think atheists go to abortion clinics and watch child sacrifice under the cloak of choice and a girl/woman making a very personal choice is really an offer up to Molach
" I'm going to prove to you God exists " by extraordinary and complicated arguments I made up but you cant actually ever see him , so all in the mind then.
Bill Craig 😄 Beaming as he states the Amalekite children were lucky to be simply “taken back” to God’s heavenly embrace as they were indiscriminatey murdered in a brutal Genocide Is truly the PEAK of moral Relativism. same thing New York Times was saying the other day. That IDF soldiers are the REAL victims because they can’t get the image of Palestinian children’s skulls popping like boba underneath the wheels of their tanks out of their heads. Nathan of Digital Gnosis said it best. Most of apologetics is just defending Israeli genocide.
@@isidoreaerys8745 Damn, I remember hearing that one where the soldiers going into the town are the ones who'll be the most traumatised. And to a point they are right. They would be traumatised the most by their actions... because the other guys won't be around to be traumatised.
The idea of morality is inherent to the human species. It existed long before man ever invented gods and religion. It is based strictly on the desire for the continuation of the species and communal living.
Its so crazy, not saying that im insanely smart or anything but i figured that shit out when i was like 15 and i wasnt even that big on antireligion thing
It existed long before the human species itself. Turns out not being a dick to your neighbour is helpful for survival when you're living in a group. It's kinda funny; he asks "does it come from DNA or our god?" Well, we know the answer: DNA.
Apologists never consider the idea that if an atheists moral attitudes don't align with the APOLOGIST'S interpretation of the atheist's words/beliefs, that maybe they're interpreting the atheist wrong.
They knpw their interpretating atheist as wrong, they just dont care to be disingenious as long as they can get believers to pay for their 3rd mansion and private jets
I get very annoyed at the "Free Will" excuse My question is and always will be until I hear a reasonable answer (so forever it is) is "why does god prefer the free will of the person sexually assaulting or murdering someone over the free will of the victim to not be assaulted or killed?"
Theists will do anything--ANYTHING--to keep from admitting that they are wrong. It's impossible to survive the death of your brain, so life after death is also impossible. Reality sucks, especially when you refuse to acknowledge it.
I met God once. Asked him if he could make change for a 20, he said he was out of ones. I jokingly said, "more like, out of sons" and he just stared at me blankly. Nice guy, he got hit by a bus 4 years later and lost his job at Chipotle, but i was moved by the experience none the less.
And then the rest of it reads like the propaganda of a victorious dictator. Strange that our so-called founding myth would contradict all our most popular heroic tales. The rebellious underdogs are the good guys, not the oppressive father-king. (Spoilers: Paul isn't the good guy)
According to this guy, when someone is in trouble (like being attacked), we have 3 choices. We can help them, or walk away, or - here’s the amazing third choice - we can help them. Okay, whatever you say, dude.
The fact that he doesn't equate helping them because of evolutionary pressures and having a conscience are the exact same thing completely blows my mind.
The chance to choose to worship a god or be humane. Easy choice for me because I’m not a self serving type of person who would choose to worship over helping others.
Wait . . . this guy's obviously never been to North Sentinel Island. Apparently, they've never gotten the memo about murder not being OK according to God. Come to think of it, it seems like God didn't get the memo either.
North Sentinel Island are like those survivalists who live in the cabin in the woods and sit outside with a shotgun and a rocking chair. Yet for some reason people will say that the guy with the shotgun is exercising his Second Amendment rights and is the perfect Christian while the Sentinelese are called savages and "Ya'll need Jesus!"
Oh, this guy even says that as we are God's property, we are not allowed to kill God's property - but as we are God's property, it is absolutely OK for GOD to destroy his property he created. After God lost an 'o', was he still good?
With the "free will" argument, didn't Adam and Eve get free will from eating from the Tree of Knowledge, after a serpant that somehow snuck into a garden watched over by an all-seeing being and told Eve that it was okay to eat the fruit?
@@rickn8orI never understood why people assume that satan would do god’s will if we get sent to hell for not believing in god. Wouldn’t that be some “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” type of shit?
@@Mr.3600TXIf Yahweh created everything and truly has a master plan then the serpent was only playing out his part in the grand plan. So it isn’t a leap to assume the devil/satan is just Yahweh’s wingman doing the nasty bits so Yahweh doesn’t have to get his hands dirty. The Satan character always comes across as more honest and trustworthy than the Yahweh character wonder why he gets such a bad rap.
I remember when this guy made a video where the christian that gets saved is useless and can't do anything without sky daddy. And the other christians that are capable DO NOT get saved
Human sacrifice: in the Bible. SA: commanded by God in the Bible. Slavery law in the USA: copied from slavery law in Leviticus and Deuteronomy. Religion of Germany in the 30s and 40s: Christianity. Lovely examples of a 'superior morality'.
I can't imagine what Old Testament Yahweh had to go through as a rageaholic. Rageahol addiction is incredibly destructive, and it certainly doesn't help that help groups like Rageaholics Anonymous demand that you "submit to a higher power", especially when there literally is no higher power than yourself!
He curses Hitler -whose soldiers wore "Gott mit uns" -"God (is) with us" on their belt buckles. So is this bloke cursing God? The "morality" of the Bible is something I can definitely live without! It is one of the worst moral codes ever invented. I also wonder what this chap would think of the morality of, say, the Rg Veda of India. I bet he wouldn't believe in it except where it agrees with his Bible.
Human species have been practicing moral codes within their tribes for millions of years before the Bible story said that a god wrote the 10 that he liked, into stone with his finger.
He also seems to be unaware that Hitler's eugenics program was hailed by the USA as a model to be emulated and fully embraced by most Christian religions of the time.
Wait until he found Germany in 1939 was 54% of the population considered itself Protestant, 41% considered itself Catholic, 3.5% self-identified believing in "God", Protestants were over-represented in the I will not name Party's membership and electorate,
It's in deuteronomy, man can't rape a unmaried woman (the woman must screams, if not it's consensual 🙄). The rapist will be stone, not the woman, if no one heard the woman scream, both will be stone. However, if a man rape a virgin, he must pay her father and mary the woman. The bible is disgusting.
11:26 "they just had a false perception of reality based on a false religion" yep. just like you do pal. even if your god was real, it doesn't mean he is the person who decides what is moral, because otherwise, why would we be disgusted by what he so happily approves? In fact, atheists can actually have a way of proposing an objective moral standard of wellbeing. It's the principal that something that provides wellbeing or happiness is moral, whereas that which causes suffering or harm is immoral (i may have butchered this) so yeah. His whole video is just entirely wrong
If any Christian say the don't believe in any version of any deities that mean that deity was real? "I am not questioning their logic I am denying their working brain existence "
As the original apologist video ends: "And that, class, is an example of one type of colossal error that can occur when one extrapolates into the realm of absurdity." (And then it turned out that it was all just him taking the linguistic scenic route to the ol' "free will not robots!" chestnut that many before him have used to handwave things away.)
Why we actualy need any arguments for god existance? Why we talk about god in third person? Why your god who supposingly created whole bloody universe, doesnt just pop down and he is never side in these discussion. If god really existed he would be so obvious like a sun or moon and we wouldn’t relay on somebody higly speculative arguments not really even evidences.
Not again. Apologists suck at words. They don't know the difference between subjective and objective. Also, they think that if they say something, that means that what they say is real and true. SMH. That's not how words work.
Funny how the most widely accepted moral precepts tend to be those that help humans survive, both individually and as members of a society. It almost as though there is some kind of pressure causing the tendency toward moral behaviour to be selected naturally. ; )
If there was a god that didn't want to get pissed off by creating people to have free will, then why didn't he just create robots so that he could be happy with, instead of creating and then drowning and carrying out other atrocities to the people he created as they are?
Doesnt the holy book also say gods will is clear yet also say that god moves mysteriously and if it doesnt mske sense its becsuse god isnt ready to reveal it to you yet?
I actually chose sketch #1 as the one I preferred. Being a fan of horror, the whole creepy vibe appeals to me. It wasn't "flawed". It was simply a personal vision of the artist. Just as I have seen computer-made images of the Mona Lisa all gothed out with black lipstick, heavy eyeshadow and stuff. For those who appreciate that sort of thing, the artist improved on the original. They weren't trying to make something exactly like the original because it isn't an "objective standard". It's all about subjective perceptions and judgements. Same as with personal views of right/good and wrong/bad. Then there's the bit where these morons keep talking about an "atheistic worldview". That comment shows they have no clue coming out of the gate. There's no such thing. Atheism addresses one, specific issue. Belief, or lack of belief, in a god or gods. Period. It can color a person's worldview, but it is not a worldview, itself. The last stupid thing being the "look at what these other atheists say" as if there's an authority of atheism, like some sort of Pope. Tell me more about how unqualified you are to talk about atheists without saying it directly.
The more I listen to religious people spewing bs the more I dislike them. Today while waiting in line at the bank one lady started preaching to another lady waiting in line, too bad she didn’t try preaching to me because that wouldn’t have gone well.
I really need to learn the sound of a vulture so if someone tries to preach at me while I'm waiting or something... or if they prey upon someone else in a "captive audience"
@@pollypockets508 On the contrary, I was a Christian for nearly 30 years. I was trained in apologetics and studied other religious texts to trying to prove that Christianity was the one true religion. That study led me to understand that ALL religion was man made fiction designed to control the masses. Additionally, I have spent many years caring for the mentally ill, and I can tell you that many of them see and hear "miraculous" visions on a regular basis.
@@pollypockets508 On the contrary, I was a Christian for nearly 30 years. I was trained in apologetics and studied other religious texts to trying to prove that Christianity was the one true religion. That study led me to understand that ALL religion was man made fiction designed to control the masses. Additionally, I have spent many years caring for the mentally ill, and I can tell you that many of them see and hear "miraculous" visions on a regular basis.
@@pollypockets508 On the contrary, I was a Christian for nearly 30 years. I was trained in apologetics and studied other religious texts to trying to prove that Christianity was the one true religion. That study led me to understand that ALL religion was man made fiction designed to control the masses. Additionally, I have spent many years caring for the psychologically unstable, and I can tell you that many of them see and hear "miraculous" visions on a regular basis.
12:16 from the fact that the fear of being killed or subjected to unnecessary torment is unpleasant and makes thinking clearly almost impossible. People who experience migraines can tell you this.
Before the video starts, I'm expecting this to be another theist who doesn't understand internal critiques. 6:20 okay not quite that bottom of the barrel but it's definitely brushing up against it with the pope of atheism thing. Kinda sick of hearing that quote from Self-Important Transphobe McGee, anyways.
Thomas Aquinas "could not know" that he had the most FUBAR haircut on the planet (9:07 in the video). Checkmate theists! Sidenote if the "god" of the Bible exists, then why didn't he "SMITE" 💥Thomases barber? 🤨Also, at 9:07 - why is Thomas incredibly huge like Godzilla and about to destroy that church in the picture? 🤔
Conscience is literally dictated entirely by emotions. Beliefs can play into it, but the relationship between beliefs and emotions can be circular at times, and considering nobody is born with beliefs, but everyone is born with emotions, I'm ignoring the control beliefs have over conscience. The point is, our EMOTIONS control our conscience, and conscience can cause us to do certain actions. Emotions are also what controls the two instincts mentioned. Self-preservation? Pretty self-explanatory. Self-preservation is a form of selfishness, which is derived from greed, anger, cowardice envy, and fear. And, uh... What's that other one? You know what, it doesn't even matter, because I'm right. Edit: Herd Instint. A general love for other people (love is an emotion), happiness, sadness, ALSO fear and anger, but exhibited in a selfless manner rather than a selfish one, and courage. I'm sure there are other emotions that can come into play in each of these instincts, but the point is that I'm right.
I don't know. Theists actually make a convincing argument. I mean, how can you deny the nonexistence of their deity when theists like this guy are his (self-appointed) spokespeople? Come on, theists, if you are the best your deity can go with for his PR, then your deity does not deserve any belief in, let alone worship and especially not tax-free tithes.
The Euthyphro Dilemma put this argument to rest thousands of years ago. The fact that apologists keep making it just suggests that they don't take themselves very seriously.
Repeating old refuted arguments, misrepresenting the opposition and purposely misunderstanding their points... their "god given morality" apparently doesn't include honesty
[17:20 ish] "Even Joe Rogan admitted this recently..." I couldn't stop laughing since that works paradoxically as a simultaneous insult and compliment, *_plus_* it makes no more sense than any of the other poor arguments.
His god is fine with human sacrifices, as long as they are the right ones, at the right times. I guess that for a Christian, what is right and what is wrong just depends upon which page of the Bibble you happen to flip to.
i love it, the moral lawmaker found in the book of the dead. No false gods No representations or images Not speaking ill of the divine Not violating sacred time(sabath) Respecting parents No killing No sexual misconduct No theft No deceit No greed or envy anyway i simply just took a page we can also look at manou(ind), minos(greek), and Menes(egypt) Hammurabi(mesopatmia) and finally to make the synergy complete the similar laws of Hittite. Hittite Laws are almost the same of hammurabi yeah the only difference these cultures don't deny the syncratecy's, Theist do deny them.
The Aztecs may have believed that it took human sacrifices to keep the sun going, but they could have noped on out of that, and frozen in the dark like decent people. He says we have a moral smurf to help a woman whose attackers evidently don't have a moral smurf.
Even if I grant ALL of his arguments, he, at best, is only demonstrating that objective morality exists. Why must it comes from a god? Why must that be tbeir god? Why must they use theor holy book to prove it's their god without establishing said book to any correlation with the book other than mere claims in itself claiming to associate with the book? Why must this god not need its own moral give for it to have morality that transcend to humanity? How do they know this god is first cause and not just one of creators responsible for this universe only? What if this god they attributed to has a god-father I bet theists cant answer these questions sufficiently
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How deliciously ironic that he points out how a religion can go wrong (the Aztecs) without applying the same critical thinking to his own religion.
All religions are wrong, except for theirs… 🤦🏻♂️
More ironically what made things go wrong for the Aztecs was Christianity😂
@@TheSkepTick Or mine!
Looking at him I see traits of american indian, peruvian if I had to guess but possibly even had aztec ancestry himself. Did his ancestors go to hell, or maybe they chose the right god and hes going.
I have 2 friends who both took Comparative Religion in college. One is Muslim, the other is a Christian Creationist. Both came away from the courses convinced that their respective religion was the only one with any real evidence backing it up. I, the atheist, just smile and say, "Sure it is, buddy. Sure it is."
It was so easy for them to see how the evidence for other faiths don't hold up, but they _still_ couldn't apply that reasoning to their own.
"I can't imagine people behaving with empathy without the threat of eternal torment" is not really a great argument for a god.
The cliché “if you need the threat of punishment to be a good person, then you’re not a good person” applies very strongly here
Gods perfect creation cant be trusted not to be lil a$$holes, so a cosmic timeout room was developed before they even existed for the day they would follow a set script to bring sin into the world. Never-mind the fate of Adam and Lilith er, I mean Eve violates free will as one cant freely choose to do anything if they are destined in advance to do the thing that released sin into the world. Doesn't matter how you repackage their own stupid beliefs... to them it makes sense, and when shown it doesn't to everyone else.. well everyone else is wrong.. because God cant be.. because a book written by 40 people over 1500 years retconned and kept on retconning.
If anything, it's the worst!
But since they have nothing but hate, fear and threats ... it figures.
Don't you wish there was a _consequence_ to theists saying that crap? It's a lie, for the most part, but they're _still_ publicly saying that their fondest desire is to hurt people. Shit like that should get them put on a list. No-fly lists at the very least; that way if they ever stopped tithing long enough to afford leaving Bumpkin, Nevada they could get turned away at the airport and arrested for making threats.
It's a real shame there's no justice in the world... they keep getting away with FA without the FO.
"Atheists think the holocaust was moral because people voted for Hitler"
Pretty sure we had a war about it because the rest of the world thought it was a bad thing. I think that it was even in the news, so I don't know how he missed that one.
Most people who knew about it in the first place (which was a pretty small number of people for the longest time...) were conditioned to not see their victims as humans - which is why I'm so disgusted when I see anyone use dehumanizing language... Even one instance would be one too many, but it's happening _far_ more often than that... 🤮😭
The Pope of Atheism? WTF?
I hate when Theists quote Dawkins like that should dictate what I think.
Most American christens think there pope is the anti Christ, so they don't care what there pope thinks
I’m honestly at the point of asking, “Who the hell is Richard Dawkins?” because I feel like pretending not to know who he is is the only way to convince some theists that we don’t revere him as some kind of leader.
Or Darwin when they do that thing where they try to focus on his racism (which was actually pretty mild compared to everyone else at the time) and then try to claim him as one of their own because they misread a fraction of a quote and his whole religious background. Atheism doesn't have a pope and even if we did, it sure as hell wouldn't be Dawkins.
That's just the tu quoque fallacy
I was an atheist about 40 years before I ever heard of Dawkins and I don't care what he has to say today.
I didn't think that christians argument for god could get any worse. Boy, was I wrong...in spades.
If it makes you feel any better, they aren't getting any worse. They've always been this bad, you must've just blissfully missed the worst of it so far.
Although... I could be wrong; they're using AI to generate gibberish now and that might qualify as 'getting worse'.
This isn't new. This is just a slightly repackaged argument from morality. Variations of this argument have existed since 1781.
What gets me is that I personally know a few intelligent Christians. So why are 100% of Christian apologists so blatantly stupid?
@Cat_Woods that's an incoherent statement, how can you knkw some intelligent Christians yet say 100 percent of them are stupid, plus do you know 100 percent of all Christians to say that? Sounds bigoted to me but then again being a bigot, racist, hateful isn't wrong to you guys lol
8:40 If everything is part of god's plan, or god is all knowing, then we can't hold people accountable for their actions
If gawd is ll knowing, why pray? It knows our thoughts.
@@bladerunner3314 gods got a plan for us all, how egotistical do you have to be to think praying will make him change his plans.
He's also evil, let's not forget that part.
@@nightshade7240there is no evil In your world view
@@joperhop I'm not the one praying, believers are.
A plan, huh ... there I thought we had free will.
If there is a plan, we can't step out, if we can, no plan. In any way, you have nothing but baseless claims.
But all the atheists and "atheists" he showed weren't making arguments against a god's existence. They were making arguments for why the god of the bible, in particular, is not moral. Ears was responding to the wrong argument (because, of course, you really can't argue that Bible God is moral if you actually read the thing). SkepTick, of course, gave all the reasons why morality doesn't prove a god, but Ears wasn't even having the right conversation to begin with.
The guy implies (infers?) that grape is evil (which it is obviously) yet the OLD TESTAMENT says that a just punishment for graping a young woman that happens to catch your fancy (if you get caught of course) is that you have to marry her. 😑
Ears! Absolute perfection! 🤣🤣🤣
Pity that the ones with the biggest ears, hears the least! 🤦🏻♂️🤣🤣🤣@@wesbaumguardner8829
Atheist: "I'm not a fan of Greek yogurt, it's kinda gross"
This f'n guy: "So you're saying that God made a mistake when he created Adam and Eve? This proves you think God exists because you have [blah blah malformed gibberish for an hour]"
Atheist: **left an hour ago**
- What's your opinion on the writings of Chateaubriand?
- I rather prefer tuna salad ...
12:43 I'm amused that he goes out of his way quoting an atheist saying that morality is a social tool for reproduction, and then immediately follows it up with saying that atheists believe that morality is an illusion. Did he seriously not understand anything that quote said?
I noticed that. That strawman went up so fast, my eyeballs got whiplash.
If his intended audience is atheists then of course it’s a fail. But if his intended audience is other Christians then it makes perfect sense. The latter won’t think through the implications of the two claims together, but will simply see the first as atheists being wrong and the second as something to agree with.
I hate the free will argument. Does a kid have the 'free will' to be "SA'D?" Yet the omnipresent God watches and let's the attack happen. That means he give the free will of the attacker priority.
Any person who has the ability to save the child would intervene ASAP. Making them more moral than God.
According to the Bible, God knows you from the womb, knows all your days, and nothing happens if he doesn't want it. Is that free will?
The reality is there is no free will or free choice, in this world or in religion. Not because a god exists but because there are agencies and agendas that are constantly working to force us to make decisions the way they think we should and if we don't, they find another way to enact it.
Especially given the free-will argument makes an omniscient being impossible 😂
@@eugeneoisten9409
They want to have their cake and eat it too
I'm glad this guy is a Christian and I hope he stays one, as usual with this type of Christian that is only moral because someone else is telling him what's right and what's wrong since he can't figure that out on his own.
The things he's saying and trying to justify...I'm glad he has some guiderail for the good of those around him.
@@Raven-um2wf it sounds good . . . until -God- the voice in his head orders him to commit genocide
Psycho on a leash
That’s my take on a lot of theists, too. If they need to believe in a god with a carrot and a stick to stop them murdering and r@ping, then by all means, believe! Believe as hard as you can! I’ll sleep much easier knowing you’re out there, full to the brim with your socially necessary belief, because you clearly lack a moral compass of your own.
@@Raven-um2wf Sounds like a disciple of David Wood
When theists tell you that a god is required for morality, Ask them: "If humans are incapable of judging morality for themselves, then how are they able to judge a god's morality (or what is claimed to be god's morality)?" and/or "By what objective standard, did you judge your god's subjective standard?"
Ah, but you're not supposed to question god's morality.
I’ve heard theists claim that we ALL know an objective morality and can trust it because it’s “written on our hearts.”
@@tezzerii How do I know what's go's morality? What are his opinions on treating prisoners? It wasn't written in 10 commandments
"You can't condemn people if they're just meat machines."
Yes, we can. Because said meat machines operate by learning from consequences, and that includes the consequences we inflict upon them (and vice versa) for undesirable behaviors. We're all part of the equation. Regardless of whether you think humans are responsible for our own behaviors or not, we must treat each other as though we are in order to achieve acceptable results.
Even if everything is deterministic so that on some level we lack free will, we still have the perfect illusion of free will. We have no choice but to make choices. Or as Neil Peart put it in the Rush song _Freewill_ :
_If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice._
This guy has more straw men than a _Wizard of Oz_ cosplay festival.
Ah, that's good. I'm savin' that one... ...
Yoink!😂
And he's the brain less Tin Man.
@@bladerunner3314
Wasn't the Tin Man the guy who wanted the heart (A Human one preferably. He's got a lot of blood he needs to pump out...)
@@stylesrj You're right, he wanted a heart - I always think of empty cans when thinking of him. That said, this guy could also use a lot more heart ie empathy.
He does know that his "argument" is just as valid for Cthulhu or the Great Old Ones right?
Y'AI'NG'NGAH, YOG-SOTHOTH. H'EE-L'GEB. F'AI THRODOG. UAAAH
I am sure party members in Nazi Germany didn't see their actions as immoral, but almost everyone else did see them as immoral. So no, they aren't justified.
We can see this dynamic even today.
People find reasons and declare another group of people as inhuman and dangerous. Now everything we do to them is self defense and for the greater good.
Theists basicly: "How could anyone go shopping in the Grocery-Store without being lead by Hand?"
Meanwhile Shoppers go shopping alone without problems.
Theists: "No. No. The there must be an invisible Person leading those Shoppers by the Hand, cause how else should they be able to find the correct ailes?"
I end up in the wrong aisle all the time, especially in a store I'm not familiar with, so where is this Invisible Shopper Helper?
@@spacepope69
Clearly you didn't put enough faith in the Invisible Shopper Helper and instead are in the enthrallment of the sinister and evil... umm... Evil Grocery Staff who ask you questions like "Can I help you?" in order to mislead and confuse you from the true path of the Invisible Shopper Helper!
Yet, an other apologist who don't understant that 'god did it' is the claim not the proof.
These apologists say that morality is objective, but then say "God made morality so he makes the rules". You can't have it both ways. If God made morality, then its subjective.
i've heard apologist make this argument a hundred times. i've yet to hear even ONE use "objective" and "subjective" correctly.
@kenharness1417 But you could argue that, being god, and knowing all, he has objectively got it right. Just saying.
@tezzerii if it's his decision, it's still subjective.
@@kenharness1417 but based on objective truths. I'm not building a case for god here, just playing devil's advocate =o)
@@tezzerii
Wait, but don't they also say he's the objective lawmaker that made those objective truths... but if the laws he makes are based on objective truths then he must have an objective lawmaker to have created those objective laws and wouldn't him being the lawmaker be a circular argument or something... I dunno, apologetics confuse me...
This tool has never actually observed animals and realize that animals actually have very basic moral standards.
I swear! Not a single theist has ever seen a dog acting guilty when they know they did something wrong.
They think all animals are mindless self interested robots.
@@isidoreaerys8745 i agree wholeheartedly animals can love dream show affection and empathy it maybe proto moral but still this is an absolute problem for theism.
Some of the research over the last few years into behaviours in primates is fascinating. It is a real shock (or was to me who had never really considered it) how well developed "moral" systems are in their social groups.
To be fair, it would be difficult to see _anything_ through all that bronzer he's caked in.
@@christophersandford5888 It ain't morals so much as an basic understanding of how the other will react to certain stimuli. "If I hit other chimp, other chimp hit back."
"Because God exist, he gets to define what our value and purpose is."
Ah, so "Might makes right then".
As pointed out, the "objective morals" of religion wouldn't seem ring so falsely if the "God" didn't break pretty much every big "moral rule" in the book, and the theist themself also fully ignore most of the "morals" while asserting that the ones that clearly give an evolutionary advantage is "only because God says so"...
I love the part where he says that we value other people because god values humans. You know, the god that so valued humans that he cursed them with a curse that requires a human sacrifice to abate, killed all but 8 people in a mythical flood, blasted two cities into atoms without knowing whether or not there was a single righteous person in them?
Objective morals from god folks are literally just that Patrick Star meme.
So morality comes from a subject (god)... But they're objective?
@@d_camaraOf course subjective morals are objective - with a god, all things are possible. Even non-existence.
Hey, dude the 1950's called and said Just Stop!
I was explained the difference between good and evil by a six year old that has never been exposed to the christianism dogma. I quote; 'Good is when you do something that makes mom happy. Evil is bad because it makes mom mad.' Pressed where she learned this I got; 'I make sense that this is true, no one told me the difference, I learned it because I like mom when she is happy, so I do good, not evil.' So I ask why Good and evil. she explained 'Bad is what food tastes like when not cooked well.'
I stopped there and excepted that there was truly no Grand Old Deception required.
Ba'al yes that is the one ...
Peace
"Even Joe Rogan admitted this lately." *_Even Joe Rogan._* I can't even. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hearing apologists pontificate about atheist's morality, is rather painful.
Not gonna say that the philosophy of morality can't get complicated. But the misrepresentations are usually at an amazingly low level.
They tend to think atheists go to abortion clinics and watch child sacrifice under the cloak of choice and a girl/woman making a very personal choice is really an offer up to Molach
Yeah, we're probably more moral than most of them are!
Poor guy never heard of an internal critique? “God is good. God says murder is bad. God tells people to murder.” Contradiction. Done.
Still waiting for my first theist arguing for his world view and smarter than a five years old.
😂 "Noddy's friend" did not go unnoticed 😂
I shouldn't laugh, but that flew under the radar
Me too. It immediately brought back fond memories of the little toy car I had when I was three!
" I'm going to prove to you God exists " by extraordinary and complicated arguments I made up but you cant actually ever see him , so all in the mind then.
I get angry at god in the same way people get angry at Voldemort.
Gotta love "hurting people isn't objective, but my undemonstrated god is!"
Bill Craig 😄 Beaming as he states the Amalekite children were lucky to be simply “taken back” to God’s heavenly embrace as they were indiscriminatey murdered in a brutal Genocide
Is truly the PEAK of moral Relativism.
same thing New York Times was saying the other day. That IDF soldiers are the REAL victims because they can’t get the image of Palestinian children’s skulls popping like boba underneath the wheels of their tanks out of their heads.
Nathan of Digital Gnosis said it best. Most of apologetics is just defending Israeli genocide.
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Damn, I remember hearing that one where the soldiers going into the town are the ones who'll be the most traumatised.
And to a point they are right. They would be traumatised the most by their actions... because the other guys won't be around to be traumatised.
The idea of morality is inherent to the human species. It existed long before man ever invented gods and religion. It is based strictly on the desire for the continuation of the species and communal living.
Its so crazy, not saying that im insanely smart or anything but i figured that shit out when i was like 15 and i wasnt even that big on antireligion thing
@ one need not be insanely smart to figure these things out, just resistant to the brain washing.
It existed long before the human species itself. Turns out not being a dick to your neighbour is helpful for survival when you're living in a group.
It's kinda funny; he asks "does it come from DNA or our god?" Well, we know the answer: DNA.
Apologists never consider the idea that if an atheists moral attitudes don't align with the APOLOGIST'S interpretation of the atheist's words/beliefs, that maybe they're interpreting the atheist wrong.
They knpw their interpretating atheist as wrong, they just dont care to be disingenious as long as they can get believers to pay for their 3rd mansion and private jets
I get very annoyed at the "Free Will" excuse My question is and always will be until I hear a reasonable answer (so forever it is) is "why does god prefer the free will of the person sexually assaulting or murdering someone over the free will of the victim to not be assaulted or killed?"
Theists will do anything--ANYTHING--to keep from admitting that they are wrong. It's impossible to survive the death of your brain, so life after death is also impossible. Reality sucks, especially when you refuse to acknowledge it.
I met God once. Asked him if he could make change for a 20, he said he was out of ones. I jokingly said, "more like, out of sons" and he just stared at me blankly. Nice guy, he got hit by a bus 4 years later and lost his job at Chipotle, but i was moved by the experience none the less.
This is canon.
This made me laugh unreasonably hard. Thanks!
Angels have no choice to love yahwe and yet they still rebelled,
Damn, that's one unlovable god
Seems like they had good reason.
Lucifer did nothing wrong
If you think about Satan for more than five minutes without all your religious firewalls up, the whole thing collapses.
And then the rest of it reads like the propaganda of a victorious dictator.
Strange that our so-called founding myth would contradict all our most popular heroic tales. The rebellious underdogs are the good guys, not the oppressive father-king.
(Spoilers:
Paul isn't the good guy)
Before i watch the video i will say "Oh no we don't"!
I thought that. Then I listened to and engaged with his arguments... and I still think that 😂
@christophersandford5888 Indeed.
According to this guy, when someone is in trouble (like being attacked), we have 3 choices. We can help them, or walk away, or - here’s the amazing third choice - we can help them. Okay, whatever you say, dude.
The fact that he doesn't equate helping them because of evolutionary pressures and having a conscience are the exact same thing completely blows my mind.
The chance to choose to worship a god or be humane. Easy choice for me because I’m not a self serving type of person who would choose to worship over helping others.
Wait . . . this guy's obviously never been to North Sentinel Island. Apparently, they've never gotten the memo about murder not being OK according to God.
Come to think of it, it seems like God didn't get the memo either.
North Sentinel Island are like those survivalists who live in the cabin in the woods and sit outside with a shotgun and a rocking chair. Yet for some reason people will say that the guy with the shotgun is exercising his Second Amendment rights and is the perfect Christian while the Sentinelese are called savages and "Ya'll need Jesus!"
God is very much a "do as I say, not as I do" type character.
Oh, this guy even says that as we are God's property, we are not allowed to kill God's property - but as we are God's property, it is absolutely OK for GOD to destroy his property he created.
After God lost an 'o', was he still good?
With the "free will" argument, didn't Adam and Eve get free will from eating from the Tree of Knowledge, after a serpant that somehow snuck into a garden watched over by an all-seeing being and told Eve that it was okay to eat the fruit?
"Worship me or fry forever" isn't much of a free choice.
@@rickn8orI never understood why people assume that satan would do god’s will if we get sent to hell for not believing in god. Wouldn’t that be some “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” type of shit?
@@Mr.3600TXIf Yahweh created everything and truly has a master plan then the serpent was only playing out his part in the grand plan. So it isn’t a leap to assume the devil/satan is just Yahweh’s wingman doing the nasty bits so Yahweh doesn’t have to get his hands dirty. The Satan character always comes across as more honest and trustworthy than the Yahweh character wonder why he gets such a bad rap.
@@Jcs57 If that was the plan, then humanity was set up to fail. So much for benevolence.
I remember when this guy made a video where the christian that gets saved is useless and can't do anything without sky daddy. And the other christians that are capable DO NOT get saved
It's giraffe time....
More hen 🙏
Why don't any of these apologist ever address the free will of the victims of these atrocities.
Human sacrifice: in the Bible. SA: commanded by God in the Bible. Slavery law in the USA: copied from slavery law in Leviticus and Deuteronomy. Religion of Germany in the 30s and 40s: Christianity.
Lovely examples of a 'superior morality'.
The instant that there is as much evidence for god as there is for the painting of the Mona Lisa you might have the start of an argument.
For someone who knows nothing about humanity he sure is well spoken.
The basis of morality is extremely simple, do I want that to happen to me, or do I not! Everything grows from there. No God required.
It is an evolutionary trait that allowed a weak, slow, bipedal ape with no natural weapons become the apex predator of all apex predators.
Evil is a measure of how your choices effect someone else's.
I got that from Star Wars and it's a better model than Christianity.
@@solomonverrico
And they have a better God (C3PO)
@@MikeTMike
Isn't that against protocol though for a Protocol Droid to be a god?
@stylesrj
He had no choice.
I can't imagine what Old Testament Yahweh had to go through as a rageaholic. Rageahol addiction is incredibly destructive, and it certainly doesn't help that help groups like Rageaholics Anonymous demand that you "submit to a higher power", especially when there literally is no higher power than yourself!
I don't think that kid every heard of social sciences and social studies.
For those not getting the reference, 'MDK' is an acronym for Murder/Death/Kill from the Stallone/Snipes/Bullock movie Demolition Man...
It is also the name of an old video game... which was also Murder Death Kill.
16:50, Now we know why he looks like a Football trophy, he tried to help someone, and two blokes pulled on his Dumbos.
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The hell kind of "logic" is that?
The "logic" of the desparate.
He curses Hitler -whose soldiers wore "Gott mit uns" -"God (is) with us" on their belt buckles. So is this bloke cursing God? The "morality" of the Bible is something I can definitely live without! It is one of the worst moral codes ever invented. I also wonder what this chap would think of the morality of, say, the Rg Veda of India. I bet he wouldn't believe in it except where it agrees with his Bible.
Human species have been practicing moral codes within their tribes for millions of years before the Bible story said that a god wrote the 10 that he liked, into stone with his finger.
It was okey-padokey-fine when it was god's people doing the genocide though...
He also seems to be unaware that Hitler's eugenics program was hailed by the USA as a model to be emulated and fully embraced by most Christian religions of the time.
Wait until he found Germany in 1939 was 54% of the population considered itself Protestant, 41% considered itself Catholic, 3.5% self-identified believing in "God", Protestants were over-represented in the I will not name Party's membership and electorate,
It really is disgusting how they assume everyone else is like them, and would be a horrible monster without a god's divine mandates to follow.
Can he show us the part of the bible that says that rape is bad? I’ll wait
It's in deuteronomy, man can't rape a unmaried woman (the woman must screams, if not it's consensual 🙄). The rapist will be stone, not the woman, if no one heard the woman scream, both will be stone. However, if a man rape a virgin, he must pay her father and mary the woman. The bible is disgusting.
11:26 "they just had a false perception of reality based on a false religion" yep. just like you do pal. even if your god was real, it doesn't mean he is the person who decides what is moral, because otherwise, why would we be disgusted by what he so happily approves? In fact, atheists can actually have a way of proposing an objective moral standard of wellbeing. It's the principal that something that provides wellbeing or happiness is moral, whereas that which causes suffering or harm is immoral (i may have butchered this) so yeah. His whole video is just entirely wrong
Man, unbelievable to hear what I am all thinking, that I am not actually thinking...
Logic and science certainly proves a sky magic man doesn't exist.
If any Christian say the don't believe in any version of any deities that mean that deity was real? "I am not questioning their logic I am denying their working brain existence "
Please bestow leafs upon me!
Leaves.
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Donate for leafings..
Yes makes perfect sense. God real because a collective group of animals dont wanna become extinct.
Why cant god just pop in and say hi.
He shy.
As the original apologist video ends:
"And that, class, is an example of one type of colossal error that can occur when one extrapolates into the realm of absurdity."
(And then it turned out that it was all just him taking the linguistic scenic route to the ol' "free will not robots!" chestnut that many before him have used to handwave things away.)
13:33 SkepTick!! Hahahaha this was a great mockery. I played it like 5 times and laughed every time. “Wah, Wah Wahhhhhh…” 😂😅
"You don't want to be murdered, therefore Floaty Sky Wizard."
- poorly drawn background character from Disney's "Aladdin"
"what if I told you Joe Rogan's argument against god actually proves god."
I'd ask you to pass the bong.
Asking "where does the evolutionary biologist explain where right and wrong come from?" is freaking HILARIOUS!
Why we actualy need any arguments for god existance? Why we talk about god in third person? Why your god who supposingly created whole bloody universe, doesnt just pop down and he is never side in these discussion. If god really existed he would be so obvious like a sun or moon and we wouldn’t relay on somebody higly speculative arguments not really even evidences.
The whole basis of Christianity falls flat if this God just makes himself obvious to all humanity. That's why it can't happen.
I picked the second one cuz it reminded me of when my kids used to draw things for me lol ❤
I picked the first one because that's about the way I draw.
I did pick the 3rd, but not because it was "closest" the the Mona Lisa, but because it was the most realistic to me. So he even got the reasons wrong.
I picked the first because I like the creepy horror eyes.
Second one was peak aesthetics.
Not again. Apologists suck at words. They don't know the difference between subjective and objective. Also, they think that if they say something, that means that what they say is real and true. SMH. That's not how words work.
7:39 I think by society he meant 4 buildings close up together in Germany.
Funny how the most widely accepted moral precepts tend to be those that help humans survive, both individually and as members of a society. It almost as though there is some kind of pressure causing the tendency toward moral behaviour to be selected naturally. ; )
If there was a god that didn't want to get pissed off by creating people to have free will, then why didn't he just create robots so that he could be happy with, instead of creating and then drowning and carrying out other atrocities to the people he created as they are?
Robots would most
likely rebel much
sooner than humans!
By the way: " robot " is a Czech name for
slave. Voluntary slaves don't rebel!
Doesnt the holy book also say gods will is clear yet also say that god moves mysteriously and if it doesnt mske sense its becsuse god isnt ready to reveal it to you yet?
I actually chose sketch #1 as the one I preferred. Being a fan of horror, the whole creepy vibe appeals to me. It wasn't "flawed". It was simply a personal vision of the artist. Just as I have seen computer-made images of the Mona Lisa all gothed out with black lipstick, heavy eyeshadow and stuff. For those who appreciate that sort of thing, the artist improved on the original. They weren't trying to make something exactly like the original because it isn't an "objective standard". It's all about subjective perceptions and judgements. Same as with personal views of right/good and wrong/bad.
Then there's the bit where these morons keep talking about an "atheistic worldview". That comment shows they have no clue coming out of the gate. There's no such thing. Atheism addresses one, specific issue. Belief, or lack of belief, in a god or gods. Period. It can color a person's worldview, but it is not a worldview, itself. The last stupid thing being the "look at what these other atheists say" as if there's an authority of atheism, like some sort of Pope. Tell me more about how unqualified you are to talk about atheists without saying it directly.
The more I listen to religious people spewing bs the more I dislike them. Today while waiting in line at the bank one lady started preaching to another lady waiting in line, too bad she didn’t try preaching to me because that wouldn’t have gone well.
They actually make my skin crawl. And I used to be like that. Shudder!
I really need to learn the sound of a vulture so if someone tries to preach at me while I'm waiting or something... or if they prey upon someone else in a "captive audience"
Hearing and seeing things that aren't really there prove the existence of mental health issues. This alone thoroughly debunks all religious texts.
rude. you're not better than other people just because you were an an atheist your entire life.
@@pollypockets508 On the contrary, I was a Christian for nearly 30 years. I was trained in apologetics and studied other religious texts to trying to prove that Christianity was the one true religion. That study led me to understand that ALL religion was man made fiction designed to control the masses. Additionally, I have spent many years caring for the mentally ill, and I can tell you that many of them see and hear "miraculous" visions on a regular basis.
@@pollypockets508 On the contrary, I was a Christian for nearly 30 years. I was trained in apologetics and studied other religious texts to trying to prove that Christianity was the one true religion. That study led me to understand that ALL religion was man made fiction designed to control the masses. Additionally, I have spent many years caring for the mentally ill, and I can tell you that many of them see and hear "miraculous" visions on a regular basis.
@@pollypockets508 On the contrary, I was a Christian for nearly 30 years. I was trained in apologetics and studied other religious texts to trying to prove that Christianity was the one true religion. That study led me to understand that ALL religion was man made fiction designed to control the masses. Additionally, I have spent many years caring for the psychologically unstable, and I can tell you that many of them see and hear "miraculous" visions on a regular basis.
12:16 from the fact that the fear of being killed or subjected to unnecessary torment is unpleasant and makes thinking clearly almost impossible. People who experience migraines can tell you this.
Before the video starts, I'm expecting this to be another theist who doesn't understand internal critiques.
6:20 okay not quite that bottom of the barrel but it's definitely brushing up against it with the pope of atheism thing. Kinda sick of hearing that quote from Self-Important Transphobe McGee, anyways.
Yep childishly simple and dishonest, wierd how god claims need deception and ignorance to make sence...
What ever happened to: Be good for goodness sake?
Doesnt work on narcist, they'll never be good for goodness sake
I think the apologists would say "Good is just God with an extra 'o' so therefore..." and they go into apologist stuff...
I picked portrait 1, and he assumed i picked the one that looked the most like the mona lisa 😂
Thomas Aquinas "could not know" that he had the most FUBAR haircut on the planet (9:07 in the video). Checkmate theists! Sidenote if the "god" of the Bible exists, then why didn't he "SMITE" 💥Thomases barber? 🤨Also, at 9:07 - why is Thomas incredibly huge like Godzilla and about to destroy that church in the picture? 🤔
His haircut is a standard monk's tonsure. Size in medieval art is related to the importance of the person portrayed, it's not naturalistic.
I'm an atheist and I didn't see any of other atheist prove God either he doesn't know what he is saying
OK I am a heretic, because whatever I prove it isn't Lisa the rainbow giraffe, it is the invisible pink unicorn in my garage
Is the Invisible Pink Unicorn the same or similar to Gary The Gay Unicorn?
Conscience is literally dictated entirely by emotions. Beliefs can play into it, but the relationship between beliefs and emotions can be circular at times, and considering nobody is born with beliefs, but everyone is born with emotions, I'm ignoring the control beliefs have over conscience.
The point is, our EMOTIONS control our conscience, and conscience can cause us to do certain actions. Emotions are also what controls the two instincts mentioned. Self-preservation? Pretty self-explanatory. Self-preservation is a form of selfishness, which is derived from greed, anger, cowardice envy, and fear. And, uh... What's that other one? You know what, it doesn't even matter, because I'm right.
Edit: Herd Instint. A general love for other people (love is an emotion), happiness, sadness, ALSO fear and anger, but exhibited in a selfless manner rather than a selfish one, and courage.
I'm sure there are other emotions that can come into play in each of these instincts, but the point is that I'm right.
I don't know. Theists actually make a convincing argument. I mean, how can you deny the nonexistence of their deity when theists like this guy are his (self-appointed) spokespeople?
Come on, theists, if you are the best your deity can go with for his PR, then your deity does not deserve any belief in, let alone worship and especially not tax-free tithes.
The Euthyphro Dilemma put this argument to rest thousands of years ago. The fact that apologists keep making it just suggests that they don't take themselves very seriously.
I thought he was going to argue that athiests exist. Therefore, God exists.
Repeating old refuted arguments, misrepresenting the opposition and purposely misunderstanding their points... their "god given morality" apparently doesn't include honesty
Ear to Hear's arguments are so illogical and ill-formed that I couldn't watch until the end.
[17:20 ish] "Even Joe Rogan admitted this recently..."
I couldn't stop laughing since that works paradoxically as a simultaneous insult and compliment,
*_plus_* it makes no more sense than any of the other poor arguments.
His god is fine with human sacrifices, as long as they are the right ones, at the right times. I guess that for a Christian, what is right and what is wrong just depends upon which page of the Bibble you happen to flip to.
That tribe is the same as in western society where vendettas caused killings that led to more and so on.
So his answer to 14:30 is free will....really?! 🤦😑
i love it, the moral lawmaker found in the book of the dead.
No false gods
No representations or images
Not speaking ill of the divine
Not violating sacred time(sabath)
Respecting parents
No killing
No sexual misconduct
No theft
No deceit
No greed or envy
anyway i simply just took a page we can also look at manou(ind), minos(greek), and Menes(egypt) Hammurabi(mesopatmia) and finally to make the synergy complete the similar laws of Hittite. Hittite Laws are almost the same of hammurabi
yeah the only difference these cultures don't deny the syncratecy's, Theist do deny them.
Goddammit, I was wondering what all that sqeaking was, but it turns out to be a theist's 2 braincells working overtime to produce such nonsense.
Thanks!
The Aztecs may have believed that it took human sacrifices to keep the sun going, but they could have noped on out of that, and frozen in the dark like decent people.
He says we have a moral smurf to help a woman whose attackers evidently don't have a moral smurf.
Even if I grant ALL of his arguments, he, at best, is only demonstrating that objective morality exists. Why must it comes from a god? Why must that be tbeir god? Why must they use theor holy book to prove it's their god without establishing said book to any correlation with the book other than mere claims in itself claiming to associate with the book? Why must this god not need its own moral give for it to have morality that transcend to humanity? How do they know this god is first cause and not just one of creators responsible for this universe only? What if this god they attributed to has a god-father
I bet theists cant answer these questions sufficiently