When i was 16 back in 1999 or so I bought a giant master lock padlock, it looks just like the smaller ones but looked comically bigger. I got it just to have, for decoration, and also its fun to just lock and unlock it, like a fidget toy back before those became all the rage, now I want this abloy lock
I have several of these locks packed away safely, because I'm afraid to use them. They're really cool, and I'm afraid someone will accept the challenge to steal it.
You have a pre-2013 Abloy PL362 there. Since 2012 -13 Abloy stopped pressing the word BORON into the shackle and stamping the top screw with a batch number. All my Abloys (PL362, PL350 and PL358) are not stamped but do have a date code top right shoulder, G07, for example, designates 2019 March (viz: A=2013, B=2014 etc and 01=week 1, 02=week 2 etc) H38 would be 2020 October for example. So-called fakes on eBay are made by BATON who claim their padlocks are similar to Abloys using the old Abloy Sentry key system. As far as I am aware there are no fake Abloys. I believe that the Abloy PL362 _is_ the toughest padlock on the world next to the ABUS 83CS/80 ROCK that is through hardened not just case hardened. The Squires are very tough but I think the removable base plate is an area of weakness in them. The Abloy PL362 and PL358 have no base plate, the lock comes out the top. With the Squire, I reckon a good bashing with a lump hammer on the base plate could render damage enough for it to come adrift or fracture. I don't mean tapping it...I mean going mental ballistic on it full force. The Abloys have no area of weakness, none at all. Bashing any part with a lump hammer is just a waste of energy, there is nothing to fracture, come adrift, warp or buckle. They cannot be bolt cropped, torsioned, tensioned, heated up, frozen or picked....LPL cant pick them but picked a Squire SS100CS lock whilst eating breakfast! If I had 16 grands worth of Harley Davidson, I'd lock it up with an Abloy PL362 and 22mm Almax chain, knowing it would still be there when I went back to it.
I had an Abloy 362 Protec2 that I bought off of eBay for $150. It didn’t have the word Boron stamped on the shackle and I tried to cut the shackle with a hack saw to see how hard the shackle was. After about 20-30 seconds of sawing, it made a pretty good 3mm cut into the shackle. I have decided that it is not a real Abloy and have ordered another one for $370 from a reputable website. I guess it pays to not be a cheap ass.
@@bryanslocks3481 Not sure what went on there Bryan. I have been in comms with Abloy, their UK marketing dept to be specific. In 2012 they stopped stamping the word Boron in their shackles. So unless you buy a pre-2012 Abloy then it will not have "Boron" in the shackle! Also, they introduced the date code system at the end of that year. I've tried a junior hacksaw with a new blade on my non-stamped Abloy and the blade just skidded right off, getting no purchase at all...it did scrape off some chrome, several microns at a guess...but that was all. To cut 3mm into the shackle has me mightily confused, as I find it nigh-on impossible! Your mission Jim, should you choose to accept it, is to report back here when you receive your new Abloy. It won't have Boron in the shackle unless its old stock. Let me know the code (top right shoulder) and I'll date it for you.
25 sec with a grinder and off it goes like all padlocks, this one just takes a little longer with its larger diameter shackle. The only grind-proof look I know is the Altor SAF.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the point of a nice lock to be used? Or do you not have enough money to buy a second one and you're really afraid of someone trying and aggressive attack on this lock?
I think Abloy 342 is actually better. It's cheaper, it's lighter, smaller and offers basically the same level of protection. You still won't be able to cut it with bolt cutters and it can house a high quality chain up to 24mm (officially 25mm clearance) which can't be cut with bolt cutters using human strength (13mm should already be enough). Meaning that... the thief would have to use an angle grinder, which would cut through your 20mm chain just as fast as if it were locked by the Abloy 362 (the thief probably won't cut the padlock since cutting the chain is still easier thanks to the shackle guards and the chains blocking the attack angles against the padlock itself). Finally, 342 can have the same cores as the 362, so no improvements there either.
Fairpoint, I think all high quality locks //chains of that kind of size are impervious to bolt cutters. There are some horror story's of locks and chains being cut quickly (monster chain) Cheers
I have both locks. The 362 has a 15mm shackle & is roughly twice the size of the 342 ,the 342 has a 10mm shackle . Yes ,they are both very hard to pick , though how many thieves do you think are trying to pick locks like this?.....physical attack is much more likely.....the 342 can be cut with large bolt cutters ( ruclips.net/video/aiaOSf2sQxM/видео.html ) quietly & quickly , the 362 cannot .They are both well made very secure locks . The 362 is a very impressive massive lock than can be had brand new on eBay for 60 quid . I use pewag hardened square cut 12 mm chain , used for snow chains on quarry loaders , harder than most tool steel ,you cannot cut this chain with bolt cutters ,50 quid on eBay. When your leaving your expensive & beloved bike at the mercy of thieves 110 quid for the knowledge that even the most well equipped ,determined & shameless scumbags will be tested. is very satisfying.
@@wcgebn It might be possible to cut 342 with a gigantic bolt cutter but it still comes with very big ifs and buts. First of all, you would need to be able to get the full ground support for maximum leverage, which is not necessarily possible if the chain placement is not forgiving enough and/or it is in an awkward angle. Second, as the owner you might still be able to arrange well fitted chains to keep them in the way of cutting (I know I could, there's no room for bolt cutters). Third, the guy struggled in optimal conditions to make one cut at the very top, but he needs to make TWO cuts and the opening in between needs to be wide enough so you can pull out the chains inside the shackle cavity. This guy only made one cut and prematurely called it a day by unlocking the lock with the key, which a rather startling failure of a demonstration.
@@Sombody123 I was pointing out the differences between the 342 & 362, you stated they offered the same level of security, the 362 is a heavier lock but justifies its weight with a very thick shackle & massive intimidating body. The bolt cutters are huge, but they cut the 342 silently, you say he struggled in the video to make one cut, he cut it in seconds, if he'd tried he could have turned half the shackle to release the chain. The added weight of any chain thicker than 13mm, big enough to enclose the shackle, would be much heavier than the difference between the 342 & 362. The 342 is a compromise for weight, I've seen the testing from abloy, why would they not show bolt cutters?, they imply all abloy locks are made from as hard a steel as possible, though the video clearly shows they are case hardened. I have 2 x 342's they are very well made locks but it is good to know their real world weaknesses against a silent attack.
@@wcgebn They offer the same level of security *IF* the bolt cutters can't get into the shackle directly, which was the original assumption, after which the next weakest point are the chains. Also you have to remember, loose shackles are not the only way to use these. Often you have tight chain loops which can't be properly accessed with bolt cutters even with a bit lighter chain, then there are doors and container lock chambers that also prevent the whole ground leverage for bolt cutters. 362 is the better option if you are securing something like a motorcycle with a heavy loose chain loop, but the added protection only works against a very specific subset of threats which is some thief carrying a massive pair of cutters. In real life situation, more than 9 out of 10, thieves prefer to just carry something way portable which brings them to the grinder. They don't give a damn about the 10-30 seconds of noise it makes, and often neither does anyone else in the surrounding area. The biggest sizes of bolt cutters is just too impractical, thieves prefer medium or merely large and pick smaller targets instead.
Here's a video of a highly skilled lock picker opening Abloy Protec 2 without a key and all the tools are shown in the video: ruclips.net/video/AsG90UGRTpw/видео.html - note that this example is picking a lock with known key cuts. A lock with unknown key would be even harder.
s Baxter Because this lock was made here in Finland, It's 100% sure it'll work in the UK. Our weathers are very challenging from hot Summers to -40˚C winters and everything in between. I have used Abloy Locks from the 50’s and never had any problems. If the water goes inside the key cylinder, it off course can cause problems in cold weather. But if you oil it well with a good oil, no problems should occur as the lock cylinder has no spring loaded Pins but you turn all the tumblers with the key and the oil penetrates well between the tumblers and there's a special copper alloy disc between every tumbler .
@@mattikaki Thank you that is good to know. i ended up with a mul-t-lock NE14L in the end to save money. Strangely, it had ABLOY on the packaging and the keys look similar too.
@@sbaxter4207 There is, I am fairly sure, a super weather proof version of this, one with gaskets in the shackles and a twist on cork with a rubber gasket, price of the "basic" version is a jovial 300 USD. Also I am not 100% sure there is a weatherproof version of this, but it would make sense since they did make it for PL330 for example.
I've had an Abloy 342 holding one end of a chain to an anchor point outdoors in the UK for over 5 years. I wanted to upgrade the chain. Just flushed dirt out of the lock with spray oil and it opened like new. A few minor corrossion spots on the shackle, but otherwise no sign of wear.
Hello everyone, i would like to hear your opinion about somethimg. i am concerned about design of abloy protec 2's sidebar. I own 358 and when i checked the core i noticed that sidebar is very thin. Also, 90% of sidrbar wasnt even spported by solid brass. Mostly disk spacers were holding it in place. After couple years of rusting, already thin sidebar may additionaly deteriate and weaken. I am afraid that this (in my opinion) weak design makes it suspectible to torquing-the-core attack (someone could put flathead scrwdiver bit in wrench and start torquing the lock until it or bit brakes). I am really concerned and would really appreciate hearing your opinions. Thank you for your time. P.S. sorry for grammar, i am not native speaker.
Verrry expensive for me at over $300 . I'd like shrouded sides that protect against cutting shackles but something much more affordable . Picking is very rare I think for most thieves . The ones I've seen in undercover videos just want very quickly get through with cutters . They walk around with small bolt cutters for any opportunity . Certainly not the huge long ones . Drilling also less common I think . Recently my niece's pplace was broken into her padlock by bolt cutters . Bought her disc one and use nuts on shackle for extra protection . Yeah the disc one with partially shielded shackle
Now that everybody and their pet have 3D printers, you should NOT show the key cuts of your key in public. The fact that Abloy has patents and contracts to prevent getting key blanks doesn't prevent printing working keys. And as you said, Abloy locks have smooth enough operation to be opened with a plastic key.
@@novusords I was just pointing *the weakest point of the setup presented in the video.* If you show the key, it's the easiest way to attack that lock when used in combination with a equally beef chain. If you *truly need* to have 15 mm boron steel shackle you should also take care of keeping the key secret.
Watched a seminar with a security expert, he said he was able to get a picture of a door key from 500 feet with a high end camera. Well enough he was able to cut a working key. But that was a standard house key not one of these.
@@acester86 If you can take a photo of basic pin tumbler key from 500 feet, you should be able to successfully capture Abloy Protec key accurately enough from 100-200 feet, too. Abloy Classic and other keys that do not have "2 radii" key cuts are easier to decode from photograph but with sharp enough photo any key can be decoded. The only key that I know which is not vulnerable to single photograph is Rosengren RKL10 which requires two photos (one from each side of the key). High quality video where the key is handled is definitely enough for that, too.
@@zerotohero5286 Once the shackle is open, you can unscrew locking bolt through hole in the side of the lock and then unscrew the ring around keyhole. The core can then be pulled. Also, the balls can be dropped, too. One thing about the keys: similar to thumbler pin locks, you shouldn't ever publicly show your key cut to anybody you are not willing to give your key. The Protec key shown here is quite hard to read from video but not impossible.
hi, I am not sure if it is relevant but have you seen the video " (632) Exploiting Abloy's Design Defect"? I see the keys are similar but the barrel looks different in their tests.. but interesting all the same. As you say here, have we seen one of these opened yet?
The lowest end Abloy cylindrical key mechanism, and even Abloy’s Sentry key can be picked with difficulty. The old school disc requires a special tool. The Protec keyway has never ever ever been picked. EVER. Picking it would be akin to guessing the combination correctly. It’s like winning the lottery.
@@bryanslocks3481 Nor will it work on a door lock, even if you could boot the seger ring out the mortise would stop it, it mostly just works with camlock which in most cases already behind other locks.
I have this padlock. Unfortunately I can't use it as it doesn't fit any container. It has a 15 mm shackle that is too big for any locker/container. Looks impressive but useless.
I've seen guys on YT pick them, but it's generally done with a custom picking tool they designed and built to pick them. Way beyond your typical burglar.
I've seen exactly one youtube video that claims to show someone picking an Abloy Protec2 lock. But he intentionally covers the camera several times to hide the tool and procedure and doesn't really explain what he's doing. For all we know the other end of his "custom tool" is one of the original keys. At the very least it's a single lock he owns so he would have been able to inspect the keys to learn the bitting, take it apart and look at the specific disks, etc. It's possible that this guy got it figured out so well he could walk up to any Protec2 in-situ and pick it, but his video certainly doesn't prove that. And to my knowledge nobody else has proven it either. These are either unpickable or awfully close.
Wow, ok further down this video's comments I now see there's a video from idanhurja that's newer than the one I had seen (which was somebody else) and doesn't hide everything. Again though, known bitting, so not quite the real deal. Still, I'm gonna go with "awfully close to unpickable" or maybe "closer than anything else commercially available."
Not the best lock by any means. The shackle is on the thin side compared to some padlocks and those shackle guards are almost useless, they're too low leaving the shackle too exposed. That's why it doesn't have the CEN6+ rating
Is CEN 6+ even a thing? Literally the only place I've seen that is in sales/marketing descriptions of that giant Squire lock. All the other sources I've seen for the CEN grades stop at 6, which this lock is. I'd take this over that Squire any day. The Squire is picked normally (no slouch, but pickable by generally experienced pickers), whereas this thing can be picked by maybe a half dozen people worldwide. The difference in destructive attacks is probably not that meaningful; anything that works on the Abloy will likely work on the Squire in just a bit longer. And the Abloy is a substantially less ridiculous form factor.
@@huntercook6605 Apparently a CEN 6+ doubles (at least) every testing requirement needed for a grade 6. The first padlock to ever achieve that is the Israeli Mul-T-Lock E18H in the late 90's (which I have)
@@juanbaclavab Do you have a source for any of that? Nothing I can find on the E18H says anything about CEN 6+ anywhere. More importantly, the official CEN grades really seem to top out at 6. None of the official materials I've found list 6+, and it seems to me if they were going to have another grade it would be 7 anyway. So if Multilock and Squire have decided to call some locks 6+ if they double the 6 standard (or more likely for some lesser, superficial reason), we actually don't know that the Abloy isn't strong enough to meet those criteria (whatever they may be); Abloy could just be labeling their product CEN 6 because it's the top real standard, even if it meets the unofficial criteria those other brands are using. Meanwhile I did find videos of both LPL and BosnianBill picking the E18H, whereas neither of them are able to pick this Abloy. I'll say again that no style of physical attack is going to get you into one but not the other. So unless you define "best" as simply "heaviest" this Abloy is a better lock than the E18H or the Squire. And I still don't think CEN 6+ is for real.
@@huntercook6605 Chill dude.. and to finish it off, what if I tell you your 15mm Abloy can be cropped under perfect circumstances? Given the wide shackle clearance and the short guards, that leaves enough room for a regular 42 incher or a 49 inch Krenn to crack the shackle even if it's locked to a chain. 16mm it's the magic limit. That pushes the handles of the cutter so far apart that it's impossible to apply enough pressure due to the resulting angle of the jaws
@@deeme8048 if the chain is large enough to fill the appurture, I think it will be tough. The lock has double locks on both sides of the shackle so I think it will be tough. The key way is also very well protected, so I think it will be virtually to open it. Cheers
Pretty sure LPL has not picked an Abloy Protec2 core. My best guess is you're thinking about his video 916 where he picks an Abloy 341, but it's one with the "classic" core that is way easier to pick than this. He has a couple more Abloy videos, but they all have older cores; haven't seen any Protecs, either 1 or 2. If you do think he has a video picking a Protec2 core, please share the number.
s baxter the old Abloy Classic style locks are made by many other makes too. They are not fake as they are not Abloy branded. Have you seen real fake Abloy locks with the brand stamped on the lock? I haven’t heard that these very expensive locks have been faked but that doesn’t proof anything off course.
@@mattikaki someone bought an abloy 362 and it didn’t have a boron shackle and could be cut through more easily. There are so many, cheap on ebay without key cards not sure if that is relevant regards the cards however, but does seem a bit odd New with no key card. .
@@sbaxter4207 There used to be an eBay UK seller selling authentic USED British military overstock Abloy padlocks, although the current discount seller looks a little suspicious. Abloy is extremely strict about key control, especially with Protec keys. You can replace the Protec2 lock core with your own personal Abloy key code through an Abloy locksmith but that's another 100 bucks or so. You can replace the core with a Sentry key for less. I have all Abloy Protec locks keyed alike to my key which is unique in the world. With billions of potential combinations, each owner has a unique key. And nobody can issue these keys except your own Abloy locksmith. You can't take the key to another Abloy locksmith unless you "TRANSFER" locksmiths. I think the Anchor Las grade 6 padlock is the best padlock in the world. However, the Abloy Protec2 rotating disc key system is the best mechanical keyway/lock system in the world. Period. Squire is probably the strongest but an experienced picker would dispense with it easily.
@@badkid73 Thanks.i could not afford a genuine 362 so i bought a mul-t-lock NE14H. when it arrived it said ABLOY on the packaging the keys look quite similar. Lock picking lawyer said it was quite hard to pick. Not too bad for the money.
This is the worst lock display I've ever seen. Every second listening to this man talk felt as though it was an hour too long. I honestly don't know why but, for my own health, I am blocking this channel.
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Literally everything you need to know: there is no lockpickinglawyer video picking this lock.
I love mine so much that I’ve put it on the shelve up there to look at. My wife doesn’t share my fascination with that lock but just accepts it now.
There comes a point where you end up attacking the hasp or chain or door itself rather than the padlock.
I actually own a 362 and definitely think it’s One of the best padlocks ever built.
Agreed mate. Rock solid lock.
Do you guys think some of the 362s in EBay are possibly counterfeit Abloys?
@@thelockpickinglebowski633 I don’t see how they could counterfeit them my friend. But anything is possible sir.
When i was 16 back in 1999 or so I bought a giant master lock padlock, it looks just like the smaller ones but looked comically bigger. I got it just to have, for decoration, and also its fun to just lock and unlock it, like a fidget toy back before those became all the rage, now I want this abloy lock
I have several of these locks packed away safely, because I'm afraid to use them. They're really cool, and I'm afraid someone will accept the challenge to steal it.
Lol 😅😂
That is definitely a great high security padlock, a potential thief would take a look and try an easier target.
I think visual presence is as important as actual security. If it deters a thief before they attempt a theft.
Thanks for your comments
I have one, too. But I have to admit its more a sexy looking showpiece than a working piece of machinery, for me.
You have a pre-2013 Abloy PL362 there. Since 2012 -13 Abloy stopped pressing the word BORON into the shackle and stamping the top screw with a batch number. All my Abloys (PL362, PL350 and PL358) are not stamped but do have a date code top right shoulder, G07, for example, designates 2019 March (viz: A=2013, B=2014 etc and 01=week 1, 02=week 2 etc) H38 would be 2020 October for example.
So-called fakes on eBay are made by BATON who claim their padlocks are similar to Abloys using the old Abloy Sentry key system. As far as I am aware there are no fake Abloys.
I believe that the Abloy PL362 _is_ the toughest padlock on the world next to the ABUS 83CS/80 ROCK that is through hardened not just case hardened.
The Squires are very tough but I think the removable base plate is an area of weakness in them. The Abloy PL362 and PL358 have no base plate, the lock comes out the top. With the Squire, I reckon a good bashing with a lump hammer on the base plate could render damage enough for it to come adrift or fracture. I don't mean tapping it...I mean going mental ballistic on it full force.
The Abloys have no area of weakness, none at all. Bashing any part with a lump hammer is just a waste of energy, there is nothing to fracture, come adrift, warp or buckle. They cannot be bolt cropped, torsioned, tensioned, heated up, frozen or picked....LPL cant pick them but picked a Squire SS100CS lock whilst eating breakfast!
If I had 16 grands worth of Harley Davidson, I'd lock it up with an Abloy PL362 and 22mm Almax chain, knowing it would still be there when I went back to it.
I had an Abloy 362 Protec2 that I bought off of eBay for $150. It didn’t have the word Boron stamped on the shackle and I tried to cut the shackle with a hack saw to see how hard the shackle was. After about 20-30 seconds of sawing, it made a pretty good 3mm cut into the shackle. I have decided that it is not a real Abloy and have ordered another one for $370 from a reputable website. I guess it pays to not be a cheap ass.
@@bryanslocks3481 Not sure what went on there Bryan. I have been in comms with Abloy, their UK marketing dept to be specific. In 2012 they stopped stamping the word Boron in their shackles. So unless you buy a pre-2012 Abloy then it will not have "Boron" in the shackle! Also, they introduced the date code system at the end of that year.
I've tried a junior hacksaw with a new blade on my non-stamped Abloy and the blade just skidded right off, getting no purchase at all...it did scrape off some chrome, several microns at a guess...but that was all. To cut 3mm into the shackle has me mightily confused, as I find it nigh-on impossible!
Your mission Jim, should you choose to accept it, is to report back here when you receive your new Abloy. It won't have Boron in the shackle unless its old stock. Let me know the code (top right shoulder) and I'll date it for you.
@@TheGeezzer sounds good!
How does a 22mm link fit in a 24mm opening , don't you need both ends in the lock ! Sorry if it's a silly question but just wondering
25 sec with a grinder and off it goes like all padlocks, this one just takes a little longer with its larger diameter shackle. The only grind-proof look I know is the Altor SAF.
They are great locks. I have one but it's only on my collection, too nice to use. Lol
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the point of a nice lock to be used? Or do you not have enough money to buy a second one and you're really afraid of someone trying and aggressive attack on this lock?
@@dog2man1994 you are right but I am a collector and do use them if I need to use them.
If you have fully hardened steel version, you could as well use it because it will probably not even get scratched during the use.
Only problem: finding something that it can fit what a monster lol
I have a 20mm thick chain. It works well with that :-)
They fit the lock plates on the back of semi trailers. Company I drive for uses them for high security loads
I think Abloy 342 is actually better. It's cheaper, it's lighter, smaller and offers basically the same level of protection.
You still won't be able to cut it with bolt cutters and it can house a high quality chain up to 24mm (officially 25mm clearance) which can't be cut with bolt cutters using human strength (13mm should already be enough).
Meaning that... the thief would have to use an angle grinder, which would cut through your 20mm chain just as fast as if it were locked by the Abloy 362 (the thief probably won't cut the padlock since cutting the chain is still easier thanks to the shackle guards and the chains blocking the attack angles against the padlock itself). Finally, 342 can have the same cores as the 362, so no improvements there either.
Fairpoint, I think all high quality locks //chains of that kind of size are impervious to bolt cutters.
There are some horror story's of locks and chains being cut quickly (monster chain)
Cheers
I have both locks. The 362 has a 15mm shackle & is roughly twice the size of the 342 ,the 342 has a 10mm shackle . Yes ,they are both very hard to pick , though how many thieves do you think are trying to pick locks like this?.....physical attack is much more likely.....the 342 can be cut with large bolt cutters ( ruclips.net/video/aiaOSf2sQxM/видео.html ) quietly & quickly , the 362 cannot .They are both well made very secure locks . The 362 is a very impressive massive lock than can be had brand new on eBay for 60 quid .
I use pewag hardened square cut 12 mm chain , used for snow chains on quarry loaders , harder than most tool steel ,you cannot cut this chain with bolt cutters ,50 quid on eBay.
When your leaving your expensive & beloved bike at the mercy of thieves 110 quid for the knowledge that even the most well equipped ,determined & shameless scumbags will be tested. is very satisfying.
@@wcgebn It might be possible to cut 342 with a gigantic bolt cutter but it still comes with very big ifs and buts. First of all, you would need to be able to get the full ground support for maximum leverage, which is not necessarily possible if the chain placement is not forgiving enough and/or it is in an awkward angle. Second, as the owner you might still be able to arrange well fitted chains to keep them in the way of cutting (I know I could, there's no room for bolt cutters). Third, the guy struggled in optimal conditions to make one cut at the very top, but he needs to make TWO cuts and the opening in between needs to be wide enough so you can pull out the chains inside the shackle cavity. This guy only made one cut and prematurely called it a day by unlocking the lock with the key, which a rather startling failure of a demonstration.
@@Sombody123
I was pointing out the differences between the 342 & 362, you stated they offered the same level of security, the 362 is a heavier lock but justifies its weight with a very thick shackle & massive intimidating body. The bolt cutters are huge, but they cut the 342 silently, you say he struggled in the video to make one cut, he cut it in seconds, if he'd tried he could have turned half the shackle to release the chain. The added weight of any chain thicker than 13mm, big enough to enclose the shackle, would be much heavier than the difference between the 342 & 362.
The 342 is a compromise for weight, I've seen the testing from abloy, why would they not show bolt cutters?, they imply all abloy locks are made from as hard a steel as possible, though the video clearly shows they are case hardened. I have 2 x 342's they are very well made locks but it is good to know their real world weaknesses against a silent attack.
@@wcgebn They offer the same level of security *IF* the bolt cutters can't get into the shackle directly, which was the original assumption, after which the next weakest point are the chains. Also you have to remember, loose shackles are not the only way to use these. Often you have tight chain loops which can't be properly accessed with bolt cutters even with a bit lighter chain, then there are doors and container lock chambers that also prevent the whole ground leverage for bolt cutters.
362 is the better option if you are securing something like a motorcycle with a heavy loose chain loop, but the added protection only works against a very specific subset of threats which is some thief carrying a massive pair of cutters. In real life situation, more than 9 out of 10, thieves prefer to just carry something way portable which brings them to the grinder. They don't give a damn about the 10-30 seconds of noise it makes, and often neither does anyone else in the surrounding area. The biggest sizes of bolt cutters is just too impractical, thieves prefer medium or merely large and pick smaller targets instead.
Here's a video of a highly skilled lock picker opening Abloy Protec 2 without a key and all the tools are shown in the video: ruclips.net/video/AsG90UGRTpw/видео.html - note that this example is picking a lock with known key cuts. A lock with unknown key would be even harder.
Nice one. This is interesting. Any idea how this might compare in security level to the PLM350 and Abus Granit 37/55?
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I wonder how this lock would fair outside in English weather 24/7 ? thanks for the review.
s Baxter Because this lock was made here in Finland, It's 100% sure it'll work in the UK. Our weathers are very challenging from hot Summers to -40˚C winters and everything in between. I have used Abloy Locks from the 50’s and never had any problems. If the water goes inside the key cylinder, it off course can cause problems in cold weather. But if you oil it well with a good oil, no problems should occur as the lock cylinder has no spring loaded Pins but you turn all the tumblers with the key and the oil penetrates well between the tumblers and there's a special copper alloy disc between every tumbler .
@@mattikaki Thank you that is good to know. i ended up with a mul-t-lock NE14L in the end to save money. Strangely, it had ABLOY on the packaging and the keys look similar too.
@@sbaxter4207 There is, I am fairly sure, a super weather proof version of this, one with gaskets in the shackles and a twist on cork with a rubber gasket, price of the "basic" version is a jovial 300 USD.
Also I am not 100% sure there is a weatherproof version of this, but it would make sense since they did make it for PL330 for example.
I've had an Abloy 342 holding one end of a chain to an anchor point outdoors in the UK for over 5 years. I wanted to upgrade the chain. Just flushed dirt out of the lock with spray oil and it opened like new. A few minor corrossion spots on the shackle, but otherwise no sign of wear.
Ive had one on my boat which is kept on a mooring in salt water for three years now and its still perfect
nothing can resist LPL
Hello everyone, i would like to hear your opinion about somethimg.
i am concerned about design of abloy protec 2's sidebar. I own 358 and when i checked the core i noticed that sidebar is very thin. Also, 90% of sidrbar wasnt even spported by solid brass. Mostly disk spacers were holding it in place. After couple years of rusting, already thin sidebar may additionaly deteriate and weaken.
I am afraid that this (in my opinion) weak design makes it suspectible to torquing-the-core attack (someone could put flathead scrwdiver bit in wrench and start torquing the lock until it or bit brakes).
I am really concerned and would really appreciate hearing your opinions.
Thank you for your time.
P.S. sorry for grammar, i am not native speaker.
Verrry expensive for me at over $300 . I'd like shrouded sides that protect against cutting shackles but something much more affordable . Picking is very rare I think for most thieves . The ones I've seen in undercover videos just want very quickly get through with cutters . They walk around with small bolt cutters for any opportunity . Certainly not the huge long ones . Drilling also less common I think . Recently my niece's pplace was broken into her padlock by bolt cutters . Bought her disc one and use nuts on shackle for extra protection . Yeah the disc one with partially shielded shackle
Great video thankyou
good video
Send it to Lockpicking Lawyer please! Edit: just saw he has it already!
Good lock for locking a yacht anchor. Lol
Lock your yacht up with one of these locks. It won't go anywhere :-)
Now that everybody and their pet have 3D printers, you should NOT show the key cuts of your key in public. The fact that Abloy has patents and contracts to prevent getting key blanks doesn't prevent printing working keys. And as you said, Abloy locks have smooth enough operation to be opened with a plastic key.
Paranoid much bro?
@@novusords I was just pointing *the weakest point of the setup presented in the video.* If you show the key, it's the easiest way to attack that lock when used in combination with a equally beef chain.
If you *truly need* to have 15 mm boron steel shackle you should also take care of keeping the key secret.
@@MikkoRantalainen fair enough.
Watched a seminar with a security expert, he said he was able to get a picture of a door key from 500 feet with a high end camera. Well enough he was able to cut a working key. But that was a standard house key not one of these.
@@acester86 If you can take a photo of basic pin tumbler key from 500 feet, you should be able to successfully capture Abloy Protec key accurately enough from 100-200 feet, too. Abloy Classic and other keys that do not have "2 radii" key cuts are easier to decode from photograph but with sharp enough photo any key can be decoded.
The only key that I know which is not vulnerable to single photograph is Rosengren RKL10 which requires two photos (one from each side of the key). High quality video where the key is handled is definitely enough for that, too.
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What’s the key way on the top for. As it looks like it can’t be used. Thanks
I think that's for disassembly. Once the shackle is out it unscrews.
You can buy these keeyed alike so I guess that is how it's done.
Cheers
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@@zerotohero5286 Once the shackle is open, you can unscrew locking bolt through hole in the side of the lock and then unscrew the ring around keyhole. The core can then be pulled. Also, the balls can be dropped, too.
One thing about the keys: similar to thumbler pin locks, you shouldn't ever publicly show your key cut to anybody you are not willing to give your key. The Protec key shown here is quite hard to read from video but not impossible.
@@MikkoRantalainen Not too easy to come by a uncut key and then cut it, but again, not impossible :)=
hi, I am not sure if it is relevant but have you seen the video " (632) Exploiting Abloy's Design Defect"? I see the keys are similar but the barrel looks different in their tests.. but interesting all the same. As you say here, have we seen one of these opened yet?
The lowest end Abloy cylindrical key mechanism, and even Abloy’s Sentry key can be picked with difficulty. The old school disc requires a special tool. The Protec keyway has never ever ever been picked. EVER. Picking it would be akin to guessing the combination correctly. It’s like winning the lottery.
That exploit does not work in an Abloy padlock as there is no room behind the core. And the Protec and Protec2 cylinders are pick proof so far.
@@bryanslocks3481 Nor will it work on a door lock, even if you could boot the seger ring out the mortise would stop it, it mostly just works with camlock which in most cases already behind other locks.
TheAzynder exactly.
@@badkid73 I'm pretty sure Matt Smith aka HuxleyPig69 has picked the Protec along with other Abloys👍
What about a grinder to cut the shackle
That's about the only way I think.
People say these can be picked, no videos I have seen yet
2 keys, I’ve seem some 362 with 3 keys??
How can i buy that abloy 362???
I have this padlock. Unfortunately I can't use it as it doesn't fit any container. It has a 15 mm shackle that is too big for any locker/container. Looks impressive but useless.
I've seen guys on YT pick them, but it's generally done with a custom picking tool they designed and built to pick them. Way beyond your typical burglar.
I've seen exactly one youtube video that claims to show someone picking an Abloy Protec2 lock. But he intentionally covers the camera several times to hide the tool and procedure and doesn't really explain what he's doing. For all we know the other end of his "custom tool" is one of the original keys. At the very least it's a single lock he owns so he would have been able to inspect the keys to learn the bitting, take it apart and look at the specific disks, etc. It's possible that this guy got it figured out so well he could walk up to any Protec2 in-situ and pick it, but his video certainly doesn't prove that. And to my knowledge nobody else has proven it either. These are either unpickable or awfully close.
Wow, ok further down this video's comments I now see there's a video from idanhurja that's newer than the one I had seen (which was somebody else) and doesn't hide everything. Again though, known bitting, so not quite the real deal. Still, I'm gonna go with "awfully close to unpickable" or maybe "closer than anything else commercially available."
@@huntercook6605 yeah the ones I've seen were different locks the protec 2 hasn't been picked as far as anyone officially knows...
How can you tell a fake Abloy Lock ?? Any ideas ?
I bet the locksmith lawyer can pick it
He can't (yet).
@@XtreeM_FaiL He does pick abloy disc detainer locks on his channel and abloy use the same style keyway for all these locks
@@chillax141 So?
LPL hasn't picked Protect or Protect 2 cores (yet).
2 is binding
Not the best lock by any means. The shackle is on the thin side compared to some padlocks and those shackle guards are almost useless, they're too low leaving the shackle too exposed. That's why it doesn't have the CEN6+ rating
Is CEN 6+ even a thing? Literally the only place I've seen that is in sales/marketing descriptions of that giant Squire lock. All the other sources I've seen for the CEN grades stop at 6, which this lock is. I'd take this over that Squire any day. The Squire is picked normally (no slouch, but pickable by generally experienced pickers), whereas this thing can be picked by maybe a half dozen people worldwide. The difference in destructive attacks is probably not that meaningful; anything that works on the Abloy will likely work on the Squire in just a bit longer. And the Abloy is a substantially less ridiculous form factor.
@@huntercook6605 Apparently a CEN 6+ doubles (at least) every testing requirement needed for a grade 6. The first padlock to ever achieve that is the Israeli Mul-T-Lock E18H in the late 90's (which I have)
@@juanbaclavab Do you have a source for any of that? Nothing I can find on the E18H says anything about CEN 6+ anywhere. More importantly, the official CEN grades really seem to top out at 6. None of the official materials I've found list 6+, and it seems to me if they were going to have another grade it would be 7 anyway. So if Multilock and Squire have decided to call some locks 6+ if they double the 6 standard (or more likely for some lesser, superficial reason), we actually don't know that the Abloy isn't strong enough to meet those criteria (whatever they may be); Abloy could just be labeling their product CEN 6 because it's the top real standard, even if it meets the unofficial criteria those other brands are using.
Meanwhile I did find videos of both LPL and BosnianBill picking the E18H, whereas neither of them are able to pick this Abloy. I'll say again that no style of physical attack is going to get you into one but not the other. So unless you define "best" as simply "heaviest" this Abloy is a better lock than the E18H or the Squire. And I still don't think CEN 6+ is for real.
@@huntercook6605 Chill dude.. and to finish it off, what if I tell you your 15mm Abloy can be cropped under perfect circumstances? Given the wide shackle clearance and the short guards, that leaves enough room for a regular 42 incher or a 49 inch Krenn to crack the shackle even if it's locked to a chain. 16mm it's the magic limit. That pushes the handles of the cutter so far apart that it's impossible to apply enough pressure due to the resulting angle of the jaws
@@juanbaclavab Sorry, but "chill dude" is not a valid response.
It's to bad the lock can be picked today.
Handful of people has done that in their own places.
Chances that a criminal has learned to pick it is very slim.
Is it available in India?
Prob on amazon /ebay from USA or Europe
Anything you put this lock on would be the weakest link.
Lock picking gun will do the job won't it?
If it is .50 BMG or bigger then yes.
That's a Protec2 key. It has NEVER been picked. EVER. It's the only key mechanism I know of that has never been documented to be picked.
The key/core shown in this video is not the Protec2. Just the standard Protec. Still beautiful none the less.
Wrong!
ruclips.net/user/results?search_query=picking+abloy+protec2+
@@oxymoron02 His video was badly made though, which brought him a lot of flak.
@@oxymoron02 Highly supicious. When he hides the picking with his hand. That is NOT a proven pick.
However he is a known skilled picker, and has no need to fake any of his videos.
You made a shit claim and got disproven 🤷🏻♂️
Can this lock be shimmed????
Shimmed for what mate? I'm not sure
@@zerotohero5286 Can someone shim it open. I have had a few problems with people shimming my locks.
Thanks
@@deeme8048 if the chain is large enough to fill the appurture, I think it will be tough.
The lock has double locks on both sides of the shackle so I think it will be tough.
The key way is also very well protected, so I think it will be virtually to open it.
Cheers
No, the action isn't vulnerable to shims.
Lock picking lawyer open this lock within 10 seconds.
Never seen it yet on his yt, but he is very good
Nope. He can't pick a Protec2, and admitted as much on Twitter recently, although he did say he can't pick it "yet"
Took LPL 2:30 to open. He gave the ABLOY CEO some hope by saying its one of the trickier locks to pick.
Pretty sure LPL has not picked an Abloy Protec2 core. My best guess is you're thinking about his video 916 where he picks an Abloy 341, but it's one with the "classic" core that is way easier to pick than this. He has a couple more Abloy videos, but they all have older cores; haven't seen any Protecs, either 1 or 2. If you do think he has a video picking a Protec2 core, please share the number.
There are fakes on ebay.
Yes be careful. These locks are not cheep so if it looks like a bargain on ebay :-(
s baxter the old Abloy Classic style locks are made by many other makes too. They are not fake as they are not Abloy branded. Have you seen real fake Abloy locks with the brand stamped on the lock? I haven’t heard that these very expensive locks have been faked but that doesn’t proof anything off course.
@@mattikaki someone bought an abloy 362 and it didn’t have a boron shackle and could be cut through more easily. There are so many, cheap on ebay without key cards not sure if that is relevant regards the cards however, but does seem a bit odd New with no key card. .
@@sbaxter4207 There used to be an eBay UK seller selling authentic USED British military overstock Abloy padlocks, although the current discount seller looks a little suspicious. Abloy is extremely strict about key control, especially with Protec keys. You can replace the Protec2 lock core with your own personal Abloy key code through an Abloy locksmith but that's another 100 bucks or so. You can replace the core with a Sentry key for less. I have all Abloy Protec locks keyed alike to my key which is unique in the world. With billions of potential combinations, each owner has a unique key. And nobody can issue these keys except your own Abloy locksmith. You can't take the key to another Abloy locksmith unless you "TRANSFER" locksmiths. I think the Anchor Las grade 6 padlock is the best padlock in the world. However, the Abloy Protec2 rotating disc key system is the best mechanical keyway/lock system in the world. Period. Squire is probably the strongest but an experienced picker would dispense with it easily.
@@badkid73 Thanks.i could not afford a genuine 362 so i bought a mul-t-lock NE14H. when it arrived it said ABLOY on the packaging the keys look quite similar. Lock picking lawyer said it was quite hard to pick. Not too bad for the money.
This is the worst lock display I've ever seen. Every second listening to this man talk felt as though it was an hour too long. I honestly don't know why but, for my own health, I am blocking this channel.