Abloy Protec2 picked and gutted

Abloy Protec2 picked and gutted. Fantastic lock and feels great to get it picked! Sorry the pick is quiet, I was concentrating very hard, and the gut is a bit slow because my hands were shaking! It's a fiddly lock to gut at the best of times and I underestimated how much the adrenaline would effect me.
0:00 Introduction
1:10 Picking - unlocking the DC and dealing with the back disc
2:06 Picking - setting the discs
8:42 Lock open!
9:12 Gutting
14:15 Close-ups
#locksport
#lpu

[@hunson_picks]

Very impressive! A good indication on how difficult a lock is to pick is when one of the best pickers out there does not comment on the picking process.

[@crispix]

Thanks! I certainly did find it difficult and full concentration was needed

[@bowleylockcompanyinc]

Wow, Great job, that was really impressive.

[@crispix]

Thanks! Loving your work too

[@lockskipper]

Excellent work, and very nice tooling. Congratulations on this great achievement!

[@crispix]

Thanks! Now I should get back on my _really_ hard projects...

[@Downfal1]

Incredible picking. Well done.👍

[@crispix]

Thanks! I was very happy to get this open

[@rwbcustompicks]

Awesome work bud👌🏻 I was holding my breath fir most of the picking 😬😆

[@crispix]

Thanks! I was too, concentrating very hard. I'd already had a few tries that didn't work as well, was starting to think I'd lucked out getting it open once before. Was tense for sure!

[@reinderstegen]

Heeeeeeeell yeaaaa mate! Well done!

[@crispix]

Thanks! And thank you for your help along the way

[@Gazz_R]

Awesome picking, pick and padlock! Thanks for sharing and enjoy the rest of your week.

[@crispix]

Thanks Gazz, you too

[@chriscapune7873]

Awesome picking!!! Incredibly difficult lock.
Thanks for sharing this!!
👍👏🐈‍⬛🐾🍻👏

[@crispix]

Thanks Chris! Was indeed very hard, but maybe not quite as bad as I thought it might be

[@-DQ-]

You're killing it! Hats down! Cheers 🍻

[@crispix]

Thanks! You were right though, I should have done this sooner

[@escapegoat_security]

Well done, fantastic work!

[@crispix]

Thanks! Very pleased

[@Rxpert83]

Nice work!

[@crispix]

Thanks! And congratulations on well deserved BB

[@RetepReyem]

Well done! Been looking forward to this for a bit. Cheers ☕

[@crispix]

Thanks! Felt awesome.

[@TequilaDave]

Bravo 👏 😀 💜

[@crispix]

Thanks Dave!

[@thirapottosakun3482]

Very good

[@crispix]

Thanks! I was very pleased to get this

[@DPLocksport]

Omg what sorcery you had to do to make that tip? Just awesome ❤ congrats man!

[@crispix]

Lots of patience. And a Dremel mostly. The bit that drives the discs had to be very precise, that was hand filed

[@DPLocksport]

@crispix did you use ejector pin for this or standard tip?

[@crispix]

​@@DPLocksportyes, ejector pin

[@JONSLOCKPICKING]

Nice one Chris.

[@crispix]

Thanks Jon! Looking forward to watching you pick one soon

[@andy123law]

Incredible skill Cris 😎😎

[@crispix]

Thanks Andy! It felt hard for sure, even after practice that took I think five goes to film

[@andy123law]

@@crispix there aren't many people who can pick these with a 2in1 that's for sure mate. Well done 👍

[@MikkoRantalainen]

Pro tip: if you change the timestamps in the video description to use colon (:) instead of full stop (.) then RUclips will automatically create chapter marks for your video. The supported syntax is 12:34.

[@crispix]

Thanks Mikko - have changed it

[@Nicks-Picks]

I still struggle with DD locks. One day ....😊. Nice picking mate 👍

[@crispix]

Thanks! This is definitely one to save until quite a few DDs picked

[@Nicks-Picks]

@@crispix indeed, if there's one thing I know it's to leave that one alone for a while 😂👍

[@MikkoRantalainen]

Great work! This must have been the clearest Protec2 picking I've seen.Could you explain a bit more how did you tension the lock? Are you using the bearing ball on the front to jam the carrier to your tensioner with a ramp?

[@crispix]

Thanks! I just tensioned in a regular way, but kept counter rotating the tension to pop out the sidebar and disengage the DC. The DC only seems partially effective, I got good feedback on many of the discs like this. However there were some in the middle of the lock where I was using knowledge of the key, which is why I say I am not completely happy. For me it's not a fully legitimate pick if it couldn't be applied blind.
I am working on a tensioner which works exactly as you describe, will do a follow up as and when I get it to work

[@MikkoRantalainen]

@@crispix When you counter rotate the tension to release the DBS bars, do you lose all feedback until you re-tension the lock? Or did you actually mean disc controller with "DC" which I think refers to the part that turns the disks to zero position before key is removed and guides the key during key insertion and removal.

[@crispix]

​@@MikkoRantalainenbasically I'm lightly loading the disc and counter rotate the tension till it moves as I would picking clockwise with many locks. Then reapply light tension to check disc state, repeat. In many cases the feedback is still there, but in some instances the DBS is effective and the feedback is just feeling the return bar on the disc

[@MikkoRantalainen]

@@crispix Interesting. Your technique sounds somewhat similar how deeply cut spool pin in pin tumbler locks are handled.
Do you think there's binding order for the disks when it comes to DBS? (Similar to how spool pins may sometimes bind in different order than the actual picking oder.)

[@spelunkernz6390]

wtf man, unbelievable!

[@crispix]

He he, I could barely believe it either when I realised I could do it

[@Johnjgjohn-fy7gr]

Nice one m8 ❤

[@crispix]

Thanks! Very pleased to get this open

[@Johnjgjohn-fy7gr]

@@crispix tried a few times ive made a replica of your pick head and it works to move the disks and go between but actually picking the lock is another level 😃

[@paradox_guardian]

Ive been looking at tool design for the protec2. How did you avoid activating the DBS with a standard tensioner like this? Not doubting your skill, just trying to figure out how to do it myself!

[@crispix]

Excellent question! Short answer is I didn't, which is why I say I'm not totally happy with the tensioner or picking method. Long answer:
I've been working on this for a while and developed a solution I think will work. I can't really make the tensioner though, will need some help from someone with a workshop. But I could make the tip, so I made one to test, and just matched it up with the basic tensioner to see if I could get the range of motion I wanted. And, not only could I get the range of motion, but I also got some usable feedback - easy to differentiate narrow/wide gates, and in some instances I could feel binding. However, on this particular lock discs 3, 5 and 6 I could not get enough feedback to differentiate a wide false gate from true, so I used knowledge of the key to position these. Not really what I want, I don't consider it a completely valid approach unless it can be executed blind. But overall the DBS is not as effective as it could be - constantly juggling tension seems to offload it without completely killing the feedback. Until I get a better tensioner though, it is effective enough to make a "proper" pick impractical.

[@paradox_guardian]

@@crispix hmm I understand. Thanks for the response :)

[@MikkoRantalainen]

@@crispix You could always push a piece of wire between the DBS bars through the gap between spacer and a disk. I think a single thin metal wire near the middle of the stack should keep the bars separated at all times. I think that finding a tensioning method that doesn't depend on the front bearing ball on Protec2 nor inserting anything between spacers and disks would be the ultimate goal. Original Protec (non-2 variant) didn't have the bearing ball so it cannot be used to apply tenstion to disk carrier but it had a construction which made it easier to get a piece of metal wire between the DBS bars from the keyhole.
Even with fully working DBS system you could still always detect the most binding disk and decode the lock that way (basically keep track of known gates in all the disks and when you see that e.g. disk 6 is binding on gate 3, you cross that off as a valid code and continue another gate position next time, fully reset the lock before applying tension again if needed to test next gate). Decoding a fully mechanical lock is always possible no matter the lock design. Once you know all the incorrect gate position, opening the lock would simply require dialing the correct code and turning the lock open.

[@crispix]

​@@MikkoRantalainengetting wire in there really hard. I tried to get a shim in the front between the rotation stop on the DC and the housing which would also be effective. But the space is so limited I couldn't manage