Drag Race! Hyundai i30 N DCT vs Ford Focus ST | MOTOR
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- It's a battle of two very fast front drivers. In the left lane is the newly (and heavily!) updated Hyundai i30 N with its eight-speed dual-clutch gearbox and in the right lane is the Ford Focus ST automatic. Both cars have very similar power, torque and weight figures so this should be a close contest.
For more on this hot hatch pairing read MOTOR's comprehensive comparison test www.whichcar.com.au/reviews/c...
00:00 Intro
00:26 Tech details
01:41 Sound off
02:18 Launch control 1
04:41 Launch control 2
06:46 Street start 1
08:40 Street start 2
09:52 Roll race
11:27 Results
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I've had my new i30n for 2 weeks and absolutely love it. Never stop smiling whilst driving it.
Can you get them in yellow 😁
@@jamesjack6769 no but you can wrap it
2-3 years ago the ST was easily the more superior car over the i30N. Hyundai has done exceptionally well with this newer version.
Far superior Launch control (LC of the focus is a useless mess) and a far superior transmission. The DSG is just utterly insane.
The problem with this testing is the i30 gear shift is tuned... The focus is adaptive and dependent on how it's been driven 😕
what are you talking about? the I30N is literally a 2019 Model year, Same with the ST. Basically no difference except the I30N DCT is now quicker.
Focus ST need a driver Mod
5.2 seconds is a great result team !
The automatic Focus ST has really long gear ratios compared to the manual, I think the manual is something like 2 seconds faster to 200 km/h despite being slower to 100.
The automatic slushbox kills the Focus ST's performance. The manual version sprints from 100 to 200 km/h in around 14 seconds whereas the auto does it in around 18 seconds. Above 200 km/h the manual will keep piling on the numbers whereas the auto makes an otherwise excellent car feel gutless.
It's a shame Ford didn't bother to develop a proper DCT for the Focus ST, especially one that works unlike the PowerShifts of old...
@@mikerelvas - that is not the issue, the actual gear ratios/final drive ratio are since the final drive is fixed at the transaxle whereas the i30 with its automated manual the final drive shaft can be either tall or short which has massive benefits once speed has gone beyond 80km/h all the way to around 165km/h.
Ford does have a DCT that it could use which is "wet clutch" design however Ford made it very clear that torque converter was the only option here for the Focus ST and its the same transmission beefed up top handle more torque (can easily handle 600Nm) so there is lost of room for improvement especially at more higher revs, Ford have clearly tuned the engine for launch and top end while mid range suffers.
Fun fact, the i30 n facelift makes more power and torque than claimed :) its actually around 305hp and 410nm
@No more words Not sure. Seems strange to me. If you see a i30N dct on a dyno it shows consistently more than factory figures
nice job!
Lovely video, chaps. May I request if 80-120km/h, 100-200km/h times could kindly be posted (if recorded) as these would give a better idea of the real world accelerative performance of this trendy pair?
hi can you tell me if you can use boost button when taking off in drag race enjoyed review
i30n is one hell of a car. hyundai doing amazing things
One of the few channels that compare cars by price point and not just power.
Just ordered a 2022 manual focus ST. Oh yesss
Sick car pal, congratulations. Did you get it in the new Mean Green?
@@mikerelvas hi cheers yes matey March delivery tho
@@performanceworld02 yeah, all models are delayed due to halted production. Good luck with her when she arrives, absolutely love the new Mk4.5 Focus.
@@mikerelvas cheers dude 🙌🏻👍🏻👌🏼
You still could change your mind and order an i30N
how much they cost and fuel consumption ?
What is the ideal revs for one to launch a car with launch control ?
Gotta love those widow maker Pirellis!! Nothing ever changes
The i30N is a very impressive car... especially this DCT version... really good gearing.
When I drove both Focus ST auto and Manual, the auto did seem quite sluggish... The Focus ST does need the M330 Mountune upgrade... hopefully Ford will release a Mountune based ST Focus version soon.
At the end of the day, I have to have a manual, so while the DCT is what makes the difference on the strip, the ST Focus with the manual is the better car... as is the i30N with the manual batter than the DCT version.
Gearing in this auto box is pretty bad, it completely kills the power. The manual is about as fast or faster, which says it all really.
Haven't come across this vid or your comment before. Yes indeed the ST does need the M330 why I installed it on my orange fury ST 2020 I bought from new the map later after a fwe miles on the clock. At that time Ford thought they were still going to market the RS so purposefully detuned the potential of the ST. With hindsight a terrible mistake and now effectively you can't buy a new Focus ST edition perhaps 4.5 defo so.
i read the magazine of this!:D
Focus sounds like my hair dryer
😂😂😂
Can you track testing the Sonata N Line please.
This is bloody brilliant love you both... keep this stuff going... battle of the hot hatches? Yaris GR vs i30N DCT just curious...
Spoiler alert - GR wins, no contest
@@relentlesspursuit6894 everyone lnows that the question is how much from a dig and the second is how mich from a pull...
I’m a N fan myself, and I know the GR is an overall better performance car.
@@brandonanderson4117 each to there own
Good shout, that would be a very, very close match!
That I30n is amazing! I want to get one myself.. I just wish it has 3500kg towing and a big tray on the back for all my work stuff haha
Be the first in the world to get a custom conversion done!
So glad I got an i30N over the Focus ST.
Definitely should’ve tried out NGS in the rolling race though! Shame the tyre blew out
Nice buy, Cooper. You’ll love the i30. Yes, we planned to do another roll before the tyre went pop. Sadly an errant screw ended our day early
Pick mine up Thursday - NGS will definitely make a difference
I for 1 wud never say that the i30N is a better car. I felt the DCT is stupid in i30N. Its fast when U go in straight line and the engine has more top end power than the Fords.. But the STs TC auto felt far more like an honest and regular predictable AT than i30Ns.
It also felt like it handled long and mid sweepers better than i30N, i30N felt superior at short twists though.
Also the manual ST I drove felt like it was going at least a sec faster than i30N Performance despite having less hardware to do so. It also felt like more mature handler than i30N/Performance
@@1989rs500 agree to disagree. Extensively tested both cars and the Focus ST didn’t hold much of a candle to the i30N. Even just the Custom N mode makes a world of difference compared to the Ford.
The Automatic in the Focus is also terribly geared, the ratios mean the manual ends up being much quicker past 100kph, and 5th gear is practically two gears in one.
Should also mention that the DCT is incredibly intuitive, being able to automatically recognise whether you’re putting around town or driving around on a track, it will change the way it behaves.
i30N does practically everything better in my books:
• Drivability
• Sound
• Looks
• Acceleration
• Comfort
• Handling
@@cooper9777
In ur book ok.. But not n my books..
I ve been a hot hatch owner for past 13 years.. gTi and Fiesta St owned.
So for me the Ford s more dynamic and more capable car.
I do agree the AT Ford is sluggish.. But the manual is ever so slightly better than Hyundai
Looking at getting one of these 2 cars in the near future, wouldn't by an automatic hot hatch tho, does the manual i30n get the engine upgrade benefits of this facelift as well?
Sure does. It’s a rocket
That I30N is faster and quicker than a majority of the older domestic V8 and turbo 6’s from circa 2000-2015 from stock. Sure there were a couple that were quicker and there were some infamous unicorn timings that owners couldn’t replicate. Launch control, DCT and excellent torque spread makes a big difference.
Performance cars have definitely come a long way in terms of raw performance in the last 10 years or so!
Well yeah as you expect but not over the XR6 Turbo just yet but over the XR8 and the SS (GMH V8) for sure.
@@351tgv - I think you’ll find a large number of XR6 and even the FPV will struggle to get in the low 5’s. A lot of them have shit tyres, worn bushes and transmissions that have past their optimal working efficiency. 6 secs is the average. - to the disappointment of their owners. This is the fundamental basis why the domestic owners have not embraced dragys or Vbox’s - and relied on dynos as a KPI
That's not saying much as it's power and weight. Anything you can think of with a v6 or 8 was much heavier than these vehicles.
What's funny is, the neon srt-4 was that exact same thing, 18 years ago.
megan rs trophy vs the focus st please
Should review with alternating drivers. Results could be to do with the driver
Great video, now how about i30N DCT vs Golf GTI Clubsport 45...that will be interesting
Need the RS back
I'm a bit confused by the whole NGS thingo. Does Hyundai's quoted power and torque claims include or exclude NGS?
10 horsepower
@@gusc.7728 exclude
Would like to know if there would be a difference with NGS activated…
There wasn’t a noticeable difference in the 0-100 times Reuben. Track surface and getting the perfect amount of wheel slip play a greater role. We wanted to test NGS in the roll race but sadly the tyre went flat before we got a chance.
Does NGS provide more HP? My understanding is that it does for 20sec, so it should then do a slightly better 1/4mile time? Please do a test using NGS
Hyundai says when using NGS you get a 7 - 10% Performance boost . Better shiftig etc . I asked my dealer because i want to get one myself
@@reubenstrydom2543its a 10HP and 30NM Boost
No contest on the sound.
Can probably mod the ST easier if that’s your thing. I loved how angry the i30 felt in a test drive but hated the interior compared to the ford. Felt cheap …
So how much more does the ST FOCUS AUTO cost compared to the Korean contender?
Good chat though
Can u do a drag race with model 3 standard and i30 n please? Both claim 0-100 under 5.5 secs
you can do 2 runs in an electric car before it needs a charge.
Joy of a learner
Did Alex press the NGS button in all but the 2nd street race? Perhaps ....
Both great small cars, but it’s a shame the prices have risen so much for these modern hot hatches..
Like i said on another video the I 30 N is an awesome car compared to the focus ST , once again I30N all day everyday 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
When people gonna learn what dual clutch transmission is capable of!!
I let people learn when they're in my N dct :)
sure on the track but in day to day real life situations?
Good luck with the maintenance repairs, someone said close to $8,800 due to clutch pack shitting its pants.
But yeah don't let that stop you.
@@351tgv The dual-clutch system is a robust, smooth and efficient transmission. If used properly, it should last 10 years without a problem, even with hard driving
I have i30 turbo diesl dct,already 225k and not single problem
@@BlueSky-sz9pz - Yeah and if you don't change the fluid and clutch sensor?
Big difference with a DCT that is designed for turbo diesel over a performance turbo petrol.
DCT are junk regardless if wet or dry, they fail and when they di they are expensive to repair, FACT.
@@351tgv well seems like u know more than porches or Ferrari engineers😉
Back again with type R vs i30N DCT
Power advantage of CTR vs DCT in the I30N
I'm not too familiar with the auto, but the manual ST also pops when in sport- or trackmode. You probably did the sound check in normal mode.
The i30N is just an absolute beast with that transmission, shame the interior is quite a bit behind the rest of the competition.
The auto does not pop in any mode
@@niklaschmid Yeah I figured. Honestly I think it's a bit cheesy anyways. At least the manual st isn't as over the top obnoxious as the i30n. That thing pops like 6 times even at 3000 rpm.
@@cy9nvs A friend drives the ST, myself the i30N. I think both are really good, but I don't like the sound generated by the speakers in the interior of the ST at all. The manual I30N doesn't pop as often as the DCT and if it gets annoying you turn it off in the settings. The interior of the ST looks better, but unfortunately the typical Ford quality...
@@niklaschmid I deactivated the sound symposer with an OBD II Adapter. Personally I liked the interior quality of the ST more. I test drove both but went for the Ford mostly because of the interior. At the end of the day neither is great though.
@@cy9nvs That's an improvement for sure, the real sound is good enough. Unfortunately, I'm not satisfied with Ford, at work we have a few normal Focus station wagons, sometimes with just a few Thousands of kilometers and the coatings on the interior door handles come off, the panels vibrate and the air conditioning often causes problems. But I like both cars by their performance, I don't really care about the interior. Ultimately, I liked the i30 Fastback N better because of the exterior design and a more "raw" feeling. I wanted some fun before it's just bland electric cars.
The ST is a more old-school driving style because you need to drive the car within the power band in order to deliver the power, however, the i30 auto is a new style easier to drive it delivers the power in a low power band.
Albert Biermann the former BMW M engineer jump to Hyundai N. The i30N is a very good price for a hot hatch i30N is the iconic car for Hyundai. The DCT someone says is a wet clutch that is very smooth very quick for this price and is very value for money. i30n is a European car made in South Korean for the cost of South Korean price.
That little red beast is awesome 😂. My modded IS350, the best 0-100 is 5.02 and 13.27 over the 1/4. This would give me a run for my money 😂😂😂
Wouldn't sound half as good though 😂😂😂
I have a Toyota Crown Athlete 3.5 that has the same engine and transmission as the is350 and it smoke's those i30n easy as and pulls away easily they would be no match my old is350 did 4 seconds flat to 100 kmh videos on my channel
@@lexman8678 What mods did you have?
I had IS350(stock)before and believe me i30N is faster, can't wait for my i30N coming for the next 3 weeks.
No mistery, short gears in the hyundai=better aceleration.
Would be good to see the i30N DCT vs the MK8 Clubsport. but we don't get that down here! Silly VW!
Perhaps line it up with the new Cupra 300?
My dream is Ford Focus ST.........
Gear ratios and final drive are the keys here.
Remember Ford have removed 2nd gear (it's there but not active) so launch will be good but the shift to 3rd hurts it.
Dual clutch are quick but they are prone to damage faster
Would still take the Focus ST as it's a proven vehicle.
to further add to the gear ratio and final theory here are the gear ratios and final drive for the i30 N
1st: 3.714 - Final Drive: 3.800
2nd: 2.261 - Final Drive: 3.800
3rd: 2.174 - Final Drive: 2.714
4th: 1.621 - Final Drive: 2.714
5th: 0.927 - Final Drive: 3.800
6th: 0.767 - Final Drive: 3.800
7th: 0.878 - Final Drive: 2.714
8th: 0.698 - Final Drive: 2.714
Info provided by the i30 N specifications PDF
Which explains a few things 1: launch appears to be torque limited in 1st and 2nd gear which explains why the Focus with the conventional torque converter gets a better launch, by 3rd through4th gear (so 2 gears) the i30 N has a taller final drive which probably allows full torque (and thus BOOST) which explains why it's catching the Focus down the 400m run and then 5th and 6th it has shorter final drive which allows it to stay in redline even though the gears are over-drive.
I can't find the Focus ST gear ratio and final drive ratio but to me this explains why the i30 N has a somewhat sluggish launch but catches the Focus ST with more speed.
But of course Motor and Wheels are not what they used to be and this level of fact finding is lacking, insgtead we get "oh look at what I am doing" instead of providing info which backs up what we are seeing.
Love from kerala
Yo I didn’t know Michael Fassbender did car reviews.
I was tossing up between both these cars and opted for the i30N in the end. Apparently has better resale value. Thanks guys, I feel validated after watching this!
Both are great cars but the i30 is superior in a few key areas. You’ll love it. Did you go for an auto or manual?
and he didnt use the NGS torque booster.
Who is win in this race
11:34 where is he going with that flat tire ? xD
If the i30 has less torque but makes the same power as the ST, then it must rev higher. That's probably the reason it was better at the top end when both cars were moving at speed.
Its more the way the torque bands are tuned the flat power in the i30N allows it to pull for longer and ealier too... the NGS is a secret weapon not sure if he used it though
gear ratio and final drive, the DCT has two different final drive gears which explains why it can pull more speed at higher revs.
@@351tgv what do u mean
The i30N likely won because of the bad gearing on the ST actually. The manual is the same or quicker than the auto, which pretty much says it all.
@@xIcarus227 that's like saying the BMW beat the Benz cause he had more power... whose problem is that? Ford made a product which is not great... Hyundai are making leaps towards VW and Honda the two kings of the affordable warm to hot hatch market
I30n vs type r maybe? 😄
And damn near look the exact same in the front as well
P-zero fail. There’s a surprise. First thing I did on my Fastback N was switch out the stock p-zero to Michelin Pilot Sport 4S’s.
r003 potenza best tyre
Michelin tyres are junk, completely terrible
@@Madest_Max What? The P4S are the some best non semi-slicks you can get and they last for a VERY long time, compared to sth like Continental (20tkm vs 50tkm!).
@@xXYannuschXx Michelin tyres may last longer due to the way they were made (soft shell, hard filling). However they don't give you as much grip due to that. Continental tyres may not last as long, according to you, but are far more reasonably made. Same with Good Year tyres. Good Year's are bloody brilliant.
@@Madest_Max And yet they have the same lap times according to Tyre Reviews. Why should I buy a tire that destroys itself far quicker, without any performance benefit?
Verry simple i30n has 305 dyno as stock focus puts out275stock just as the golf 8r puts out 340+- focus is still superb on feeling driving overal grip moose test 83kph did it perfect golf 7.5 failed at 75
I still love my Ford ST especially the handling.
1:46 LEZDOIT
think both cars are great !! But for me Hyundai every day !!!
Know we need a ford fiesta St vs i20n
They already have done dragrace on both
Just spend a mere £500 and get the Mountune M330 upgrade. Takes the Focus to 330BHP
Or the dream science package to get it to 365 👌🏻
@@performanceworld02 definitely. I believe Mountune also do a 365BHP upgrade also.
Hmm someone is lying about their power figures. No way the Hyundai should have pulled away with such ease given basically identical power and weights. Sure gearing is important, but either the i30N is more like 220+kW or the Ford is more like 180kW.
Because Motor Mag hates Ford's, they always deliberately drive slower so any other manufacturer is quicker.
@@miguelfigueiredo3910 😂 cry some more
48k for the Hyundai vs 42k for the Ford, that extra speed is where they spent the 6k on
42k for 2021 ford focus ST? No, cheapest is 51k.....
In Australia
Get manual ST- results totally different.
Also the specs are not the same, since, ST engine comes from old RS engine that can develop 350hp; they limited it to 280 but still has the highest torque- its still a 2.3 engine....
The engine its quite good, only the automatic gearbox is not adapted and manual is better adapted.
With some extra money you can get factory soft upgrade to 330 HP and around 520-530 NM ( predator soft) just like mine.
It can go beyond 270km/h easily, and i think it can reach 290 in some instances....
Generally speaking, ive seen a lot of youtube videos where ST was not driven to its full potential...
ford, after escort cosworth .. all their newer "fast/hot".. awd/fwd small sporty cars, were WAY SLOWER than power/weight would say and SLOWER than ALL competition in own class.
Drivers should switch cars for such test to be fair.
The I30N sounds allot better.
Neither 1466 not 1487 is over 15 hundred 🤦🏻♂️
i30N 👍👍👍
I30N more eficient gearbox...
Bravo Hyundai!! By far faster and better car.
Prendi la Focus ST con cambio manuale. Cambia olio del cambio con Royal Purple Sinchromax. Metti MST PERFORMANCE induction KIT e Scorpion CAT BACK SYSTEM non resonated. Con pochi soldi hai una bomba da 300 cv che distrugge la I30N
Ora la Hyundai I30N non è più in vendita. Ma normalmente costava circa 6000 euro in più. Con 6000 euro rendi la Focus ST molto migliore
man that Hyundai is quick but the Ford Focus is not disgraced either..there is a Focus up date coming very soon though..
Stinger gt
Manual el st corre mucho más !!!
The i30N everyday…Ford has woeful build quality
Do you own a Focus ST??
Hyundai is a trash car company..
@@RSV4_GOD Lol, Hyundai is living rent free in your mind.
@@JohnLee-db9zt no one lives here do IL without paying the feer
@@RSV4_GOD Not even close anymore mate.
i30 N is the superior car in every way honestly. On a race course the i30 N would prove auperior as well. Very impressive.
That’s a very big (and I’d have to assume fairly biased) statement, “in every way”. It’s certainly geared to be faster off the line in most scenarios than Focus ST with these upgrades, but in other ways the international motoring press praise the superiority of the Focus. Hyundai have worked hard with (German) engineers to upgrade what is a fairly basic architecture under the i30 for the N, whereas the C2 platform under the Focus is widely considered to be the best (and one of the most expensive) mainstream C-segment platform available, so it’s base dynamics are stronger. I don’t own either but have test driven both and I find the Focus to have a stronger feeling of “solidity” that only cars designed in Europe seem to have - the i30 feels tinnier - that’s purely subjective on my behalf and not “superior in every way” though…
@@sjb2471 lol
Can we see some Mazda 3 drag races?
Not surprised….. Ford ;(
The manual focus is faster than that 8 speed with a good driver
Why not have both in manual going head to head? Seems an unfair comparison.
Hyundai never match with ford handling dynamic..but very strong in marketing area to make popular videos.....there is no doubt.
Obviously never drove the i30n, stick with your xr6t
@@335i_Max I’ve driven the ST and the I30N, there’s a reason I’ve got the ST, it’s a better car, the Hyundai is like a cheap copy of it.
@@thatfocusguy far from it, bud
@@Madest_Max I’ve never driven the automatic version of either as auto hot hatches are pointless, manual vs manual the ST is better, the interior is nicer, the seats and infotainment system are crap in the Hyundai. The electronic diff in the ST is better and the ride is better, I’m pretty confident I’d be faster in the ST. Plus it’s got a lot more tuning potential. Mines just been rolling roaded at 334bhp with only a stage 1 map and an induction kit.Best of all it’s a lot cheaper on a PCP deal.
@@thatfocusguy well... I did watch another hot hatch test in which the i30N still had a DCT and the Focus ST a manual and the Focus still lost, as the i30N just has that little bit more punch to it.
So far 20 focus st owners disliked 👎 this video.
ST all day everyday. Hyndai idk just seems lame
Hyundai be slaying 😎 I'll take that I30 N over a GTI even 😎
I'd take the Focus ST or even better the type R all the way... even for hot hatch standards the i30 has ridiculously cheap materials in the interior
Anyone buying a 4 cylinder turbo in automatic need some help. I'll do this demo with the I30 in my 2017 ST stock and I'll blow his doors
Dreaming
@@fale892 yeah nar peanut educate urself before making blurting out embarrassing garbage. Do you want a few lessons in trolling to make urself relevant?
still waiting for that video from 1990
Really stupid to compare the automatique ST which nobody wants to the i30. The automatique is slower and does not sound as good. Bad choices made guys.... fail
Classic, fords a shit box 🤣
The i30 may be a tad faster, as long as the tyre's hold up, but the ST is the better all rounder.
Put the ST in Sportmode.. so dumb
Hyundai is olso cheaper than focus. Hahha
Fake, look another video st vs 30N all hyundai 30n prohrava . St have 2,3 420nm 30N 2,0 390nm
i30N... Looks better, sounds better. Faster. Better build quality. Easy choice.
Wrong, wrong, and wrong again
@@mickcundall4036 that's because you are a Ford fanboy
blzya7
#von.ngo
Ford Perfect
St driver is not a ford driver
Guy driving the ST is a shit driver. But really why on earth are the driving automatic turbos?
Way to overpriced.. they are ripping you off