BATTLE OF THE HOT HATCHBACKS | FORD FOCUS ST EDITION v. HYUNDAI i30N DCT
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- Опубликовано: 10 июл 2024
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Chris from @PocketRockets and Aaron from @Car Obsession have joined forces to bring their passions for cars together.
What better way to start with a genre of car we both love so much - the hot hatchback. This is perfect blend of power, performance, practicality, affordability in a shape that's not too big to be cumbersome on a B-Road blast.
In this cracker of a first episode we are putting the new Ford Focus ST Edition against the Hyundai i30N DCT. Not only is this a ST versus N battle, but this is also a battle of transmission as the Focus is a manual whereas the new, facelifted i30N is also available with a 8-speed dual clutch transmission as well as a 6-speed manual with the former being fitted to this car.
On paper they are quite evenly matched in a number of different areas but which will come out on top? Also, which would you have? We'd love to hear which car you would have and why.
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0:00 - Sponsored Ad
0:10 - Cinematics
0:50 - Intro
2:06 - Top Trumps
5:00 - Exhaust Rev off
5:30 - i30N wearing the right tyres?
6:25 - First impressions of the ST Edition
8:16 - Seating/standard equipment debate
10:06 - i30N's Armoury of Driving Modes
11:46 - Tyres really do make a difference!
13:10 - Does a DCT easily convert a manual fanboy?
16:36 - Comparing our ride comfort
17:48 - Pricing & value for money
18:46 - i30N Handling & Braking Performance
20:28 - How does the i30N compare to a FK8?
22:16 - Quick fire thoughts on Ford's steering characteristics
23:59 - Chris definitely noticing many differences in the i30N
26:00 - Starting to respect the DCT more & more ...
26:53 - Reluctantly picking holes in the i30N
29:43 - Finding out how bad 'N' mode suspension really is
31:15 - Nothing beats old school suspension design
31:41 - Handling & braking performance comparison
32:25 - Driving mode customisation issues
33:31 - Good things about the ST Edition
33:57 - Does either car impress over a FK8?
35:33 - Conclusion
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The 155 mph top speed are important In Mexico AND in Germany guys !!!
HAHA! Indeed, especially in Mexico 😂
Thanks for watching!
Good work guys! That was a long one! I’ve driven both of these and I’m not sure I could pick one at the end. Both great hot hatches 👌🏻
Thanks, Gary, it was 25-30 minutes longer in the original first draft! 😂
We think both cars have a lot to offer in different ways making them both as good as each other but the experience we had with the FK8 is in another league
Cheers for stopping by!
You have no idea how much Chris and I had to cut out of the editing suite 😅. Thanks for watching mate.
@@CarObsession was still a good watch
I've been waiting for this for a long time!
I hope it was worth the wait.
Look an American car they don't give to Americans.... I'd go for an i30n all day
Just found this review
I love these guys great review informative and answers many questions I would have asked
Thanks Colin, we're glad you found it useful
A job, well done! All the best
Really like the authenticity of you guys - combining facts, subjective opinion and letting us take part in the experience with brilliant choice of words! Perfect Comparison!
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...i30N any time tho!
Ah! Don't make us blush too much Tobias, thank you very much for the kind words and appreciating the hard work we've put in!
Most importantly, cheers for subscribing 🙌🏼
Thanks for the great feedback Tobias, and thanks for watching.
Good job, please continue!. Subscribed
We will be indeed, thank you very much for subscribing and of course watching!
Thank you!
Great start lads. Awesome video
Thank you very much for the kind words, glad you enjoyed it Stephen!
Thanks Bourner, hope you're keeping well!
Wow. What a way to kick off the new channel. Mate, I think we may have peaked too soon....😉
I agree, it's time we quit ahead and retire! 😂
HAHA! Jokes, we are only getting warmed up sunshine - time to smash up the place
Easy choice, the dedicated "N" button that's separate from the drive mode select button will change any man into the 8 year old version of himself, which all the reason you need to pick the i30N.
Being an avid Ford person owing a MK3 ST and it spending allot of time at Mountune. Have to say for me the Honda Civic Type R would be my next choice too!
Great minds think alike Nile! Thanks for watching, hope you enjoyed the video
I had a ford focus St on order but since the face lift came out they couldn't deliver the performance blue preface lift version I ordered. while I was rethinking what I wanted, I decided to drive the i30N manual and DCT. I placed an order for the I30N DCT on the spot, and I was very happy ford could not deliver. :D
Wow! That's crazy Shihar, you won't be disappointed with the choice
Watch out for a bonus film coming out in the next few weeks with both cars 👍
Thanks for watching!
Both cars are great in their own right, so you can't really go wrong with either! Thank you for watching.
I have the pre facelift Hyundai i30n 6 speed manual which came with Pirelli P Zero's from factory and below 5 degrees celsius they aren't very good but in warmer temperatures they are good but they don't last long my fronts did 5,500 miles before replacements were needed so I replaced all 4 with Michelin Pilot 4S's which made a big difference to the way the Hyundai gets its power to the road in the lower temperatures. My advice to i30n owners when the Pirelli's wear out put Michelin Pilot 4S's on it you won't be disappointed.
We agree, Pirelli's are good for warmer conditions i.e. on a race track where Hyundai mainly developed the I30N
Both Chris and Aaron swear by Goodyear Eagle F1 tyres as a strong all rounder offering a balanced blend of performance and comfort for everyday use
The comparison between the Focus and Hyundai tyre choice was very clear on the day on which provided the better traction/drivability
Thanks for commenting and watching, please don't forget to subscribe for more twin test, car challenges and other incoming content 👍🏼
I have the focus edition and do love it. But I’m also tempted with the Hyundai i30N in that blue colour with a dct box.. I really don’t know whether to swap or not.
#temptation
Great video. Enjoyed watching that. I sometimes think questions like 'manual or auto, which one is better?' is a pretty pointless question though. For me, I prefer driving manuals - because it's part of the driving experience - but it doesn't mean that manuals are 'better'
Glad you enjoyed it! We would politely disagree with saying it's a pointless question for many reasons; one being we are both huge fans of hot hatches where we have typically said 'it always has to have a manual' so that question was always dismissed straight away, nowadays it's different due to many factors (SUV domination/woke EV's) so after spending time with the i30N, you can genuinely have as much fun (sometimes better) with a well-rounded auto box like the DCT.
We do agree on manuals are part of the experience (as mentioned in the film) but when living with a hot hatch you'd argue the manual will become mundane when in traffic etc, the situation would be different if you had a Cayman GT4 used for weekends/driving holidays etc.
All we'd say is try out a DCT i30N and you'll understand our praise 😀
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Love both cars but Hyundai the automatic in the 130n does have a few problems. Which puts me off buying it as a 2nd hand car. So would probably go for a low mileage golf R 2020. Or even the GR Yaris now the kids have grown up. Honda Civic too much money but worth it.
Regarding auto boxes, you could get problems with any gearbox (more so autos as they cost more to fix when problems arise)
Second i30N DCT's will be newer on the market than the Golfs as the Hyundai only introduced them in the last few years
VW DSG boxes do fail (see forums) - of course VAG group have been updating them so less chance of failure but still has been documented
If you're not bothered on practicality - get a GR YARIS!!!!! DO IT!!!!
Thanks for watching!
NGL I think Ford should have had Mountune poke the Edition to Stage 1 330PS over the standard one.
Ford no longer endorse Mountune, so that's the big reason behind no increase in Performance in recent times
Thanks for watching!
Awesome work lads, really enjoyed this, great twin test. Have to agree the Civic type r is a beast in its own class. Loving the banter too 🙌🏻👍🏻
Thanks pal! Glad you enjoyed the video, plenty more banter from us to come
Appreciate the support, cheers for watching
Thanks buddy, we had great fun filming this video so I'm glad you enjoyed it.
5.7 vs 5.4 but its manual vs dsg so that point should go for the ST
Ford claim 5.7 for both Manual & Auto ST's Noah, Chris managed to test both versions to see which is faster (head over to PocketRockets if you are interested/intrigued to know)
Yes, the i30N (manual) does do 5.9 seconds to 62mph but in this test, the boys were finding out if it's worth sticking with a 6 speed manual in your hot hatch or moving to the dark side where you opt for an Auto
So, point still remains to the i30N!
Thanks for watching
Why? Its slower 🤷♂️😅
I've always been a Honda fan but can't get over the rear looks of the fk8. My default choice would normally be a new golf but the front end is just as the rear of the fk8. I think I would just buy a used golf 7.5 tcr and be done with it
It's interesting you're not fond of the rear of the FK8 usually it's the front that's outspoken!
That's the problem, the default choice is a Golf GTI/R as it's the safe bet, not faulting the car at all but in most areas, we find it quite dull (unless it's a Clubsport GTI or TCR) but even still remove the exterior of the FK8, no manufacturer currently can come close to the overall experience/feel
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Thanks for watching pal!
My wife has the ST Mk4 in manual. I'm thinking of maybe getting the i30 Sedan N in DCT. Maybe try to get a drive in one to see how it compares to the hatch.
The i30N Fastback is just as good as the hatch with the added benefit of a bigger boot capacity and better looks (if you like a saloon over a hatch) 👍 ... Will be interesting to hear your thoughts on what you think of the i30N when you get the opportunity to drive one
Thanks for watching!
@@ThoseTwoCarGuys You do a great job guy's, I like the slightly different angles/opinions you both present. It gives a good rounded outlook.
Is that focus stock? I drove one but it didn't sound anything like it
Definitely stock, exhaust sounds and looks 1:1 like mine
Hi Robin, thanks for watching. The car belong to Ford UK so it's completely standard.
If I didn’t know any better and wasn’t a car guy I’d say these cars are the same thing in terms of looks and exterior design; but I do know better and know that the i30N has a 8 speed wet-DCT and the Focus ST is a 6 speed manual. I respect the save the manual movement but I’m also partial to Hyundai’s 8 speed DCT and know that it is just as good and maybe better than the 6 speed in certain situations.
Indeed, to most they are two 5 door hot hatchbacks so completely agree on that point, well put!
But when you look at the price point and compare the features i.e. the gearbox in this case - the Hyundai in both manual and DCT formats trump the Focus ST
We both love a manual, especially Aaron but when you're getting a little older the balance does sway towards a good semi automatic depending on it's characteristics/functionality
Thanks for watching, commenting and generally supporting us by getting involved 🙏🏼
Yes 🙌 ❤
But Hyundai has overboost for 20 secs.. It gives ~10 more hp. So it's 290 for 20secs, isn' t :) ?
I enjoy my i30n fastback everytime i drive. great car
Hi there, thanks for watching - we were going by the figures given to us by the manufacturers, but I believe the overboost gives an increase in torque as opposed to horsepower. Aaron
Guys both cars good but how you compare Manuel vs automatic wet 8 speed serious is same category you want hear your this compare Hyundai is far far with automatic far best stability flat best car best engine agility stability i30n is best sport car is fact if you like this compare of this video.
To repeat the answer to this question again, we wasn't comparing the DCT against the manual, we were using both a Auto & manual car together to whether you should remain with a manual in your hot hatch or go for an Auto alternative
We are comparing the two cars, not their transmission differences
Suggest you finish the video in it's entirety to get the bigger picture along with the car we chose
Also. AutoTopNL had the standard Focus ST up to 165mph on the Autobahn run.
There are also i30N Fastback Videos doing up to 169mph. But its about what the manufacture claims. 🤷♂️
6:42 why are you sitting that close to the steering wheel? Is this comfortable? After watching a bit - both of you sit very close to the steering wheel! It's this preferable?
Chris had his driving position set for the Focus ST and I didn't want to muck about with it, although I am taller. Thanks for watching.
Unfortunately, Chris has difficulties with his height, it does make Aaron's life harder when it comes to filming/sharing cars with him 😂
Some say, if you hit Subscribe - Chris will grow another inch, every little helps
@@ThoseTwoCarGuys We'll need a lot of subscribers then....
The Pzeroes are terrible in anything other than dry hot weather tbh.
Yes, that's certainly true in my experience! Thanks for watching.
You guys need to do DCT focus and the 130n DCT
We'd love to, but we couldn't get that to work out. Thanks for watching.
So you're making the thing that makes the ST Edition model so special a negative just because it's not electronically controlable? The standard ST also comes with adjustable dampers, the thing about the Edition IS that it comes with KW-Coilovers tuned for the track, it's 1cm lower than the standard ST, and you can go even 2.5cm lower from that. Like I get that you're pretending to be fighting about the cars features, but that was just kind of silly and completely missed the point. Also "pretty much the same price but you get so much more with the i30" like what? That car doesn't even have adaptive cruise control or adaptive headlights, both standard on the ST Edition. 🤨
Hi there, thanks for watching. I hadn't missed the point of the KW coilovers, the comments were for comedic value.
@@CarObsession Just seems kind of odd to repeatedly call it "old fashioned" and not go into any detail on it when it's the special feature of this limited special version. If you want electronic dampers just get the cheaper standard model, these will be sold out soon anyways.
@@cy9nvs Hi there, thanks for responding. I called it old fashioned purely for comedic effect. I reviewed this very car on my own channel a little over this video was made I went in to more detail there. This video is long as it is and it was a pain-staking process as we had to cut A LOT out (the video could have easily been over an hour) so there's a very strong chance more chat on the coilovers did not make the final effort.
Think you have missed our point on customisation you get with the i30N in comparison to the Focus ST (ST Edition & in general), the consumer will more likely use their car on public roads compared to tracks - let alone getting the spanners out to adjust ride settings
As Aaron has stated, the humour/comedy of the 'old fashioned' suspension isn't a dig at the Focus, it's more providing a fun alternative to comparing against the i30N's platform
If the Focus ST Edition shared more significant differences over a standard ST at the price point, I think it would have had a stronger fight with the i30N
Quite funny (no pun intended) you bring up ride as we did a side video demonstrating a "scientific" experiment on the i30N firm 'N' suspension mode
Thanks for watching!
@@ThoseTwoCarGuys the standard ST has electronic dampers, if you don't want the adjustable KW coilovers, just get the cheaper standard ST. 🤨
A lot of people with fancy electronic suspensions end up throwing it out to lower the car anyways.
Just sold my i30n performance and much as I loved it my m135i xdrive slaughters it in every department apart from noise.
Interesting to hear to that Andy, thanks for sharing and watching! 👍🏼
Hi Andy, thanks for watching, and thanks for the comment.
I’ve had both and I can tell you now, the Focus is boring, I changed it for the Hyundai and I’ve not looked back. You don’t notice the power difference at all, especially on UK roads. If the Focus had customisable features and a much more ‘driver’ orientated set up, it may be more of a threat. In my opinion though, the Hyundai trumps it in every way. Which is a shame as I’m an absolute Ford fanboy and have been since the early 90’s.
Well said Steven, you've put us out of a job 😂👍🏼
Chris is a big Ford fanboy - I mean he's practically collecting Fiestas at this point
Thanks for watching, commenting and sharing!
@@ThoseTwoCarGuys No worries, great review and apologies for the rant 😅
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And where is the drag race ?
Where would we do the drag race Amit?
If you're able to provide us with a suitable drag strip to provide this content, we'll be happy to oblige 😀
Thanks for watching Amit!
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So you say you get more in Hyundai for your money. Hmm... Interesting, especially when you look at the cabin quality ( bad, max level of a fiesta ), non leader handbrake (in manual) and rubbish seats especially compared to fords RECARO. Just to clarify : I owned both in manual. Now I have ST Edition.
Test absolutely without any sense with one being auto and the other one manual. And even less sense mentioning fk8 every 10 seconds when your testing those two.
Your going the direction of Matt from carwow. His motto should be: if VW doesn't win there is no winner.
Both nice cars. Recommend both to anyone who wants one. I'm looking in a car like that fun , connection, playfulness and ST offers more of it
Finding hard to understand this statement but happy to respond and hopefully answer what has been said by yourself
1. Manual v. Auto debate is a relatable topic to discuss as arguably a hot hatch should be a "Manual" but with the evolution of technology and the experience from the i30N we both had proves Autos can suit a hot hatch application these days.
2. The interiors in both the Focus and i30N are just as bad as each other. Hyundai cater two different seat types giving the potential owner a choice amongst other items like drive modes and other customisation that the Focus lacks
3. Hardly spoke about the FK8 especially not every 10 seconds, fun fact, Chris had to cut out 30-40 mins of footage where more of the FK8 was mentioned resulting to hardly any chat on the Civic at all!
Drive an FK8, it blows the competition out of the water, even cars in other segments too.
4. Correction - We are not CarWow, not influenced/trying to be like CarWow or film content like CarWow, last time we checked they provide car reviews (like most automotive content creators) and certainly don't make Twin Tests (which we have both being filming them for over a year now - check out our 'Twin Test' playlist 👍🏼
5. As you've made it abundantly clear you own a Focus ST, both myself and Aaron are unbiased independent reviewers that don't own either car (although we'd love to own both) so please refrain from shooting us down for a choice we've made (clearly shows it was a hard decision to pick) just because you don't agree.
Thanks for commenting and watching Mike, all the best.
@@ThoseTwoCarGuys Statement is very easy to understand.
1. Testing a manual vs auto makes sense only when you test Focus manual vs focus auto or I30 manual vs I30 auto otherwise it makes no sense.
My opinion hot hatch should be manual, but I don't care what others buy
2. Cabins are miles apart. Literally miles apart in every aspect. Hyundai cabin is max i20 or fiesta level. Owned both for more then few days that you have them for test. I know Hyundai has two sets of seats. I had the bucket ones and still they are worse then those RECARO. But they buckets cost money, you didn't have them, they don't come as standard so thats another minus on Hyundai. So it's not worth more for the money if you need to pay for basic components of a hot hatch.
All the way Hyundai made the customisation better in terms of engine modes and individual setup. But that's about it.
3. Can't be asked to count how many times you mentioned honda but loads. It's not part of that test. Make it a part of that test or say it's your benchmark. In person I've never been in one so can't say much about it.
4. Your not influenced by them. If you would I wouldn't watch a second of it. Just misunderstood what I meant.
5. I've made it ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THAT I've OWNED BOTH OF THEM and based on that experience ( 7months with i30N and 6 months with ST ) I've said without any bias that both cars I would recommend to anyone who wants one. Mentioned that I'm looking in a care fun, playfulness and connection with a car. And more of that character I see in Focus. Very mobile rear axle and so on. There's no bias from me towards Ford. I just chose what makes more fun.
And as last. NEVER said that your not independent or biased.
Based on amount of times you mentioned honda it looks/sounds like Matt about VW. Anything is ok but VW always win. For him a Polo GTI would be better then a type-r. Sounds funny. Guy is a clown, don't go that way.
And as last I do have a bias but not for Ford or Hyundai. My benchmark in this class was and always will be Megane RS ( fastest on Nürburgring). Drove one and it's outstanding. Sadly it's price tag
that was alot of cringe scripted banter
We'll take that as a compliment seeing as we didn't script the video apart from the recorded facts provided by both manufacturers 😀
To be productive/constructive, we look forward to you sharing your video on how to film, not script, edit and post out a video so we can take note 👍🏼