Was originally thinking about getting a Ruck but the Navi has swayed me towards the bigger engine and wanting a motorcycle endorsement on my license. Something about a simple bike with a carb that I can work on easily looks like fun, plus the added fact that it is essentially a street legal minibike with a big storage box for treasures speaks to he part of me that never grew up. Also the grownup side of me keeps looking at how practical a small motorcycle with a big storage case is, you could use it to run errands like you did to pick up oil or get to a class and not have a good 30lbs of textbooks and computer sitting right on your back.
Few months back I did my driver's license and then I think two months or so later I ended up going in for my motorcycle endorsement funny thing was I bought motorcycle and sat for about 3 or 4 months before I even did my driver's license and I am 28 years old I waited so long to get a driver's license because I never thought I could do it because I'm on the silver side but with this sitting in my garage it motivated me and yeah I had to do the driving test at the local DMV two times and my motorcycle endorsement test at the local DMV two times and then I went and did my road course that's literally took me 5 minutes for 50 bucks but hey I did it that was probably the best thing I've ever did because that Honda Navi is a pretty cool little bike heck I was surprised the other day a few weeks back I actually seen green grasshopper driving the other way the guy actually turned around to see if he could catch up to me which I went to the gas station to fill up and we must have sat there for almost 45 minutes just chatting away thinking how cool it was that both of us had the same exact like there's not many of them that are sold around here in Michigan so when you come across somebody else it's actually kind of cool
Thanks for the video, made it super easy, my oil was decent but nastier than I thought at 277 miles. Truly appreciate you taking the time to post this.
I'm still driving my bike in mornings to work. Been around 40f last couple days still don't need to choke. Every since I changed air filter and exhaust and jets no more cold start.
@@QuasiMotard we haven’t had a chance to ride it other than home from the dealership, Colorado weather. It did stall on me once when I was pulling out of the dealership parking lot, still cold and the choke was fully off. Other than that it worked great on the ride to our house. I’ll let you know once we get some more miles on it. I did get a chance to get out and run an errand on the Super Cub today. The weekend weather is supposed to be nicer.
I wanted to share a bad experience with a magnetic tipped drain plug I had on a YFZ450 ATV. Disclaimer - mine didn't appear to be the quality of the GoldPlug that you installed here. I was doing a routine oil and filter change on an off race weekend. When I removed the drain plug, the magnet that had been pressed into the tip was no where to be found. Needless to say, I was extremely bummed. Mind you I didn't even know for sure if it was in the engine, but I couldn't risk it. And although I had the ability to split the case if necessary, I didn't really have the time or inclination. So I spent the better part of two days, fishing thru the drain hole with a magnet on a stick. I can't tell you how happy I was when I heard the "tick" of it sticking itself on the magnet. I really have shied away ever since. Although I agree they are probably a good idea. Thanks for the content!
I always change the oil in my engines early to clean out abrasive metal particles that can cause premature engine wear. These small engines don't have oil filters, so it's even more important to protect them from themselves. I also wanted to install the GoldPlug as soon as possible to assist in catching more contaminants. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
I always add a magnetic drain bolt to my motorcycles and scooters to help remove metallic particles from the oil. These scooter engines don't have any type of oil filter, so it's a good idea to trap the abrasive metal shavings to prevent premature engine wear. At only $20, the Gold Plug is a cheap life insurance policy for these little engines. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard oh that’s smart! Just picked up a Navi thanks for the tip! Plan on doing any of those CVT or air upgrades? I want to do an air intake but I’m worried about sucking water.
@@BetaClimbers Congrats on your new Navi! Yes, I will be upgrading the CVT with Dr.Pulley sliders, and maybe a few other minor mods. However, I'm NEVER a fan of removing the air box or other intake mods that will create problems. The airbox is there for a reason... it keeps water out of your intake, which prevents stalling or hydro-locking of the engine in the rain. 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard I agree 🤙🏻 maybe some one will come out with a good solution that looks cool too. I feel like that air box might be restrictive but I’m no mechanical engineer lol 😂
Thanks! The boots that I have on in this video are the 5.11 ATAC 6" Side Zip. I've had several pairs of these boots, and they usually last 2-3 years of hard abuse. 😉👍 --QM
Been putting engine oil in the gear case on my Honda beat 110cc for over 10 years . Same thing in my Honda Civic stick shift trany . I shall put fully synthetic on my next oil change.
The owner's manual calls for standard engine oil, so whatever you use in the crankcase is also good for the final drive. I recommend swithcing to a semi-synthetic or full-synthetic after the first 1K miles. I'm running Mobil1 4T 20W-50 in the engine and the final drive right now. That's heavier/thicker than the recommended 10W-40, but Houston is HOT, and I run my Navi at wide-open throttle most of its life. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
We don't have the Honda DIO here in the USA. I think you're correct about the same engine... it's also the same unit from the Honda Activa 110 scooter. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
I drain my oil into a larger 5-gallon container and then dispose of it at a AutoZone or another local auto parts store. Most of them accept waste oil for recycling at no charge. 😉👍 --QM
These engines don't have oil filters, so the magnetic drain bolt helps to remove abrasive (ferrous) particles from the oil. I've been using the Gold Plug magnetic drain bolts in my motorcycles and scooters for several years. They always have a significant of ferrous sludge, and occasionally a few larger bits, stuck to the magnet when I do the oil changes. In my mind, the magnetic plug is cheap insurance at only $20. It's cheaper than an engine rebuild, and it should prolong the service life before needing major maintenance. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
There is an alternate method of checking the depth without using the small end of the caliper. Place the bottom of the flange flat against the outer edge of the left jaw next to the analog scale. From wide open, slide the right jaw closed until the left rear edge of the right jaw stops against the bottom of the threads. This will be the same reading as the depth gage protruding from the small end and might be easier for you to do.
Just got my navi it’s forest green the lock on my luggage box will not unlock apparently the lock doesn’t match all the other locks that the bike has , my Honda dealer in my area is getting a new lock mechanism and get it matched to my key
That's odd for sure. I've heard of other issues with new Navi's (e.g., bad speedo cables, loose spark plug boots, crooked handlebars, etc), but a mismatched key is a first. Good luck sorting it out with the dealer, and let us know how things go for you. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Unfortunately got water in my engine(been riding in allot of rain with a aftermarket intake) and the gold plug saved it from farther damage by catching a couple pinky nail clipping size pieces of metal. Grom’s still running just as strong as ever, so hopefully the damage was minor🤞🤞. Everybody need a a Gold Plug!
Thanks for the video. So looks like that weak idle remains. There was an experienced fellow who commented in your other video that after 300 miles/break-in the compression will be full and it'll idle better. Was thinking about the Navi for my daughter but lack of EFI is probably a deal breaker. I remember my old days warming up a carb engine and it was a lousy experience in cold weather.
EFI = Electronic Fuel Injection. Honda's brand name for their flavor of EFI is PGM-FI (Programmed Fuel Injection)... same thing with a fancier name! 🤣👍 --QM
@@fqqures1019 Modern gas engines all have EFI. That's how you can start an engine up and just drive. Without it, in cold weather, you'll have to start with a choke, then gradually reduce it till the engine warms up. Sometimes even starting up is a PITA. Too much choke fouls the engine. Then when you think the engine is warm enough and you try to move, it dies. No EFI also means you have a carb with a bowl of gas that gums up (hence winterizing a carb engine requires you to drain the carb). Another PITA. No way I am going to subject my child to 1960's technology for what is supposed to be fun.
Want to add that some may say, "why not a Grom, then?" It has EFI yes, but it also has regular clutch and gears. I like the auto CVT transmission. Easy for total newbies. Only other option for automatic trans is a scooter. Don't like the looks of those but may be forced down that route - no choice. Thoughts anyone?
The NAVI service manual doesn't specify mileage intervals for the final drive oil... just change every 2 years. I typically drain/flush/refill the final drive in most of my scooters at the first service (600-1000 miles) and then again every 12-15K, or more frequently if specified in the service manual. Most scooters use standard engine oil in the final drive, so it's easy to use the same stuff that's going into the crankcase during an oil change. I typically use fully-synthetic 10W-40 or 20W-50 to provide better protection than petro-based oils. The tricky bit is filling the oil through the horizontal check bolt hole... I have an oil bottle with a clear hose and assorted sized tips that will fit into the check hole. It's usually a messy process no matter how I do it. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
I got the first Navi in late December from Eastside Honda in Baytown, TX. You can watch the livestream replay here with the unboxing and buyers contract: ruclips.net/video/64QG635R7aM/видео.html . I picked up the second Navi (the red giveaway bike) in late February at Wild West Motoplex in Katy, TX. 😉👍 --QM
I was the first one on the waiting list at Eastside Honda in Baytown, TX. You can watch a repost of the livestream from the day I picked it up here: ruclips.net/video/64QG635R7aM/видео.html . I also have a second Navi (red) that I picked up at Wild West Motoplex a few weeks ago. That second one will be a giveaway on my RUclips channel very soon! Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
@@chancecross5816 I will be posting details on my channel about the giveaway in the next few days (hopefully). There will be a series of livestreams where viewers can enter to win the Navi in a final drawing. The contest will last about 4-6 weeks from the start date, and I will announce the winner during the final livestream. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
I wonder why Honda didn't make a similar screen cleaning system on the Honda rebel 250 way back when? Also like to see anything with chain drive have a aftermarket or factory available center stand I'd love to have one on all my bikes not just scooters.
Great videos. Question, do I need to use break in oil? I saw on another channel he used it. I already have 72 miles on my Navi, is it too late to use break in oil? I bought a used bike before so It was already broken in. My first time to buy new. OTD price was a shocker!! Thanks.
Thanks for the feedback! Some people insist that break-in oil is mandatory, but I've never had any problems running the oil that is included from Honda (not sure if that has extra additives or not). Most break-in oils will use a specific blend of mineral oils and extra zinc to assist in sealing the piston rings and "mating" to the cylinder wall. You can read a good primer on the topic here: vpracingfuels.com/break-in-oil-what-it-is-and-why-it-matters/ . I typically run the factory oil for the first 200-300 miles, and then I switch it out to petroleum-based 10W-30 or 10W-40. I'll run petro-based oils for the first 1000-1500 miles and then switch over to high quality synthetic oils to minimize engine wear. The first early oil change has been a practice of mine for decades, and it has served me well. Remember that most of the metal shedding and internal honing will happen in the first 10-20 hours of runtime. I prefer to get the abrasive particulates out of the engine sooner rather than later. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
The NAVI is great for basic transportation and commuting on surface streets with average speeds below 45 MPH. The fuel economy and range isn't great at only ~65-70 miles to empty (~75 MPG), so you need to consider adding frequent fuel stops in your routines. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
@@holybotulism313 I'm not sure how Honda arrived at their 110 MPG claim. It seems that most Navi owners are seeing the same economy that I am... 75-80 MPG. I haven't done the first 600-mile service yet or adjusted the carburetor. Hopefully, the mileage will improve a bit after some tweaking. 😉👍 --QM
I have a 2021 c125. I was thinking about running a Navi as it’s replacements. Being that you have both would you recommend that replacement. Or is the super cub a better fit for a mini moto
The Navi is a fun machine, but it's nowhere near the Cub's level of efficiency or usability in my opinion. The Navi is a fun run-around bike with its twist-and-go scooter powertrain, but its carbureted engine is the real let down in terms of fuel efficiency and reliability. My Navi struggles to achieve even 60% of the Cub's fuel efficiency at similar speeds. The Navi's small fuel tank combined with abysmal fuel econonmy reduces its range to only 65-75 miles per tank, so that becomes a real problem for commuting or any back road touring. The Navi's top speed of 50-55 MPH also limit the choices of "safe" roads to travel. The Cub's top speed of 65-ish MPH beats the Navi by nearly 15 MPH, and that makes a big difference in fast city traffic. The feeling of being undergunned and overpowered on the Navi is more frequent than it is on the Cub... at least for my riding chores. The Super Cub (or Grom, or Monkey) are much more capable machines in all respects compared to the Navi... more power, better efficiency, astonishingly better braking performance, better ride quality, etc. The new 2023 Honda Dax 125 is rumored to be coming to the USA and other markets next year, so that might be another mini-moto to consider if the Super Cub doesn't fit your needs. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
I accidentally put in a whole Court so what you are saying is I need to remove some of that oil to the top of those hashes or X's as I like to call them correct. My bike won't go top speed but I have started to remove the oil vary slowly with a paper towel making sure that nothing gets on the dipstick before I check it and of course. I'm assuming the speed should be back to normal when the levels are correct. When I originally changed it at 550 miles just before the 600 MI the oil was at half the stick of Love breaking oil the things so I'm not sure if they only filled it up halfway for the first time or if it's just how much it used what was yours at when you change yours ? Liked and subscribed P.S Got it down to the XS and oh boy she runs like new lol. Well kids we learned a valuable lesson today. Don't over fill or your bike will run like trash and it's also bad for it.
Howdy, Jason! Too much oil in these small engines will reduce performance because of crankshaft "windage" (condition where the crankshaft and connecting rod are submerged in the oil bath, causing parasitic drag and oil foaming/aeration). If you're at the top of the hash marks on the dipstick (not too much higher), then you'll be fine. If the oil level is above the hash marks, then it's best to drain off a bit of the oil through the lower drain bolt or siphon out a bit through the dipstick/fill hole. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
The Honda OEM part number is 90131-KRM-840. The bolt specs are 12mm x 1.5mm thread pitch, 15mm length. Good luck shopping, and let us know if you find a good alternative. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
The NAVI is a fun and very simple little bike to ride. It's a scooter that thinks it's a motorcycle. My major complaint with my bike is with the carburetor... it runs like crap and constantly stalls out. Other minor issues are the weak drum brakes and the original tires are dangerous on wet pavement. Those are all relatively easy issues to resolve, and the upgrades won't break the bank. I think the NAVI will become another tuner scooter like the Honda Ruckus. The entry price is very low, so I'm sure that Honda will sell boatloads of them in the USA. Parts and accesories for them are also inexpensive, so that lends to customization and tuning. Overall, I think the NAVI is a fun little machine that needs a few minor (but immediate) upgrades to make it much more reliable and enjoyable motorcycle to own and ride. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
You can use gasoline, kerosene, WD-40, or any other mild solvent. It's important not to soak the rubber o-ring gasket in harsh solvents because it might make the seal swell or degrade the rubber. 😉👍 --QM
My normal top speed is 52-53 MPH on GPS. I've seen 55 MPH once with a slight downhill grade. My Navi is still 100% stock, but I will be installing some Dr.Pulley sliders soon that might bump upy top speed a little bit. 😉👍 --QM
Happy Wednesday to you Quasi. I was just curious if the dipstick on your Navi had a oil capacity printed on it? I have been getting conflicting information. Thank you again, for another well produced, informative video. Happy trails.
Howdy, Edward, and thanks for the feedback! Yes, the oil dipstick does have an embossed label stating "AFTER DRAINING 0.7L" as the capacity. However, page 110 of the owner's manual specifies "0.74L after draining", and "0.85L after draining & cleaning filter screen". I refilled the crankcase with 0.8L and that was about 90% up the hash marks on the dipstick. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Thanks for the feedback! I've used Amsoil in lots of my race bikes and cars... it's good stuff! I'll be switching over to synthetic oil after the engine is fully broken-in... probably around 1K miles. I don't always drink beer, but when I do... I drink Dos Equis! 🤣👍 --QM
Absolutely! I'm planning to install a few bolt-ons and minor upgrades in the next few weeks. I have a set of Dr.Pulley sliders, the Honda windscreen, and several other items on order. I will be doing the DC conversion on the headlight & tail light, and upgrading to LED's throughout. A set of better tires are also in my NAVI's future... the OEM tires are treacherous on wet surfaces. As for performance upgrades, I will (hopefully) have a custom exhaust from Coffman's Exhaust soon, along with a carburetor re-jet and airbox mods to match the new airflow. I don't anticipate doing a BBK right away, but that could happen sometime next year. Beyond that, I'm just planning to ride the wheels off of it! Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
You and me both! 🤣 Yes, I will be installing a set of Dr.Pulley slider weights soon, and then I'll evaluate whether I want to do any other mods to the variator. I think that the sliders will improve the midrange acceleration and also bump the top speed 2-3 MPH (based on my results with other scooters in the fleet). Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
That would be great! You should jion my Discord server (free) so we can chat: discord.gg/DfC97FU . I started a channel ( #group-rides-meetups ) so all of us can coordinate rides. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
No, I haven't taken it back to the dealer yet... but that's coming soon! Hopefully, they will be able to adjust the A/F mixture and note it on the warranty card for future reference. If they can't fix it, then I'll dig into the carburetor and re-jet it myself. 😉👍 --QM
Yep, the same plug works for most of Honda's bikes. I have the Gold Plug MP-01 in all of my mini-motos and several of my other full-size Honda motorcycles. 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard thanks i ordered one this morning.i already did a oil change then i went to the beach and learned DONT try to ride into the lumps of grass. it ran on its side about 45 seconds so i'm going to change it again.
Howdy, Roy! I just replied to another viewer with the question, so I'll repost it here for consistency... The NAVI service manual doesn't specify mileage intervals for the final drive oil... just change every 2 years. I typically drain/flush/refill the final drive in most of my scooters at the first service (600-1000 miles) and then again every 12-15K, or more frequently if specified in the service manual. Most scooters use standard engine oil in the final drive, so it's easy to use the same stuff that's going into the crankcase during an oil change. I typically use fully-synthetic 10W-40 or 20W-50 to provide better protection than petro-based oils. The tricky bit is filling the oil through the horizontal check bolt hole... I have an oil bottle with a clear hose and assorted sized tips that will fit into the check hole. It's usually a messy process no matter how I do it. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Honda recommending 10w30 for all temps is a bad idea in my opinion! in air cooled service i use nothing thinner than 10w40. was thinking of shell rotella.
You don’t clean screen until 7,500 miles Final drive every 2 years. My 82 Honda has 16,000 hours on original motor with no rebuild I think I changed the oil twice lol
Nice 👍 both gold plugs fit.. I ordered the T edition already so thats going in 🤷♂️. My cousin cleans his hands with brake clean 😂 i tell him dont do that!..
I just got mine a couple of days ago and I'm still tinkering around with it because I found some hidden compartments also found a hidden storage compartment which is a storage box I just now put a radio in that today I'm also going to do some upgrades to the headlight the turn signals and the brake light and the dashboard light I'm going to upgrade all of those things to the LED light bulb and also keep gas and oil for it those are the major things that you have to have and you're all good to go and maybe every now and then change out the air filter and I'm also going to upgrade the battery I don't know what size battery I'm going to get it in but I do know I can't go too big that'll be once I start putting some money on my Amazon account I will start getting all my upgrades parts that I need
Im using a 17 as well that I was originally going to use for my Honda Grom. Finally got my Ranger Green. Its stunning! #HondaNaviRocksSendMeFreeStuffHONDA
👍 Yep, Shell Rotella T6 is great stuff, and it carries the JASO MA-2 certification for motorcycle engines. I've been running that in my SilverWing and other scooters for over a decade. I switched the Navi over to Rotella T6 after the first 1000 miles. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
I'm not sure yet, but it's under consideration. The NAVI doesn't technically qualify for the SCBR because it only meets 2 of the 5 rules, and a minimum of 3/5 is required to compete. We might see a minor rule change to allow the NAVI to compete officially. Otherwise, it can probably run but not place in the rankings. Here is the discussion thread that I started on the SCBR forum: forum.scootercannonballrun.com/t/honda-navi-110-for-the-2023-scbr/2465/13 . Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Was originally thinking about getting a Ruck but the Navi has swayed me towards the bigger engine and wanting a motorcycle endorsement on my license. Something about a simple bike with a carb that I can work on easily looks like fun, plus the added fact that it is essentially a street legal minibike with a big storage box for treasures speaks to he part of me that never grew up. Also the grownup side of me keeps looking at how practical a small motorcycle with a big storage case is, you could use it to run errands like you did to pick up oil or get to a class and not have a good 30lbs of textbooks and computer sitting right on your back.
Few months back I did my driver's license and then I think two months or so later I ended up going in for my motorcycle endorsement funny thing was I bought motorcycle and sat for about 3 or 4 months before I even did my driver's license and I am 28 years old I waited so long to get a driver's license because I never thought I could do it because I'm on the silver side but with this sitting in my garage it motivated me and yeah I had to do the driving test at the local DMV two times and my motorcycle endorsement test at the local DMV two times and then I went and did my road course that's literally took me 5 minutes for 50 bucks but hey I did it that was probably the best thing I've ever did because that Honda Navi is a pretty cool little bike heck I was surprised the other day a few weeks back I actually seen green grasshopper driving the other way the guy actually turned around to see if he could catch up to me which I went to the gas station to fill up and we must have sat there for almost 45 minutes just chatting away thinking how cool it was that both of us had the same exact like there's not many of them that are sold around here in Michigan so when you come across somebody else it's actually kind of cool
The storage box is my favorite part of the bike. It’s a literal grocery getter. I’ve fit a 7 pound pork shoulder AND other groceries in it lol
@@loganreedy4154that's it, you've sold me on the navi, and I don't even eat meat
Thanks for the video, made it super easy, my oil was decent but nastier than I thought at 277 miles. Truly appreciate you taking the time to post this.
Yes, it is a good evening when QM uploads a couple of Videos!
I'm still driving my bike in mornings to work. Been around 40f last couple days still don't need to choke. Every since I changed air filter and exhaust and jets no more cold start.
Awesome. I was waiting to make sure of the correct Gold Plug size. Thanks for sharing. We got our NAVI six days ago.
Congrats on your new NAVI! How are you liking it so far? Do you have any idling/stalling issues with yours? 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard we haven’t had a chance to ride it other than home from the dealership, Colorado weather. It did stall on me once when I was pulling out of the dealership parking lot, still cold and the choke was fully off. Other than that it worked great on the ride to our house. I’ll let you know once we get some more miles on it. I did get a chance to get out and run an errand on the Super Cub today. The weekend weather is supposed to be nicer.
I wanted to share a bad experience with a magnetic tipped drain plug I had on a YFZ450 ATV. Disclaimer - mine didn't appear to be the quality of the GoldPlug that you installed here. I was doing a routine oil and filter change on an off race weekend. When I removed the drain plug, the magnet that had been pressed into the tip was no where to be found. Needless to say, I was extremely bummed. Mind you I didn't even know for sure if it was in the engine, but I couldn't risk it. And although I had the ability to split the case if necessary, I didn't really have the time or inclination. So I spent the better part of two days, fishing thru the drain hole with a magnet on a stick. I can't tell you how happy I was when I heard the "tick" of it sticking itself on the magnet. I really have shied away ever since. Although I agree they are probably a good idea. Thanks for the content!
Why was the first oil change done at 348 miles instead of the 600 mile mark?
I always change the oil in my engines early to clean out abrasive metal particles that can cause premature engine wear. These small engines don't have oil filters, so it's even more important to protect them from themselves. I also wanted to install the GoldPlug as soon as possible to assist in catching more contaminants. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Thanks for another good video. I’m not quite ready for the first oil change yet but it’s nice to see where that screen is accessed.
Thanks for the feedback! 😉👍 --QM
Break in period is officially over for the Navi! No more babying it XD
Yep! It's time to ride it like I stole it! 😉👍 --QM
Can heat the crush rings up and then quench them in water to soften and re aneal them.
Why the new plug?
I always add a magnetic drain bolt to my motorcycles and scooters to help remove metallic particles from the oil. These scooter engines don't have any type of oil filter, so it's a good idea to trap the abrasive metal shavings to prevent premature engine wear. At only $20, the Gold Plug is a cheap life insurance policy for these little engines. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard oh that’s smart! Just picked up a Navi thanks for the tip! Plan on doing any of those CVT or air upgrades? I want to do an air intake but I’m worried about sucking water.
@@BetaClimbers Congrats on your new Navi! Yes, I will be upgrading the CVT with Dr.Pulley sliders, and maybe a few other minor mods. However, I'm NEVER a fan of removing the air box or other intake mods that will create problems. The airbox is there for a reason... it keeps water out of your intake, which prevents stalling or hydro-locking of the engine in the rain. 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard I agree 🤙🏻 maybe some one will come out with a good solution that looks cool too. I feel like that air box might be restrictive but I’m no mechanical engineer lol 😂
nice suggestion on bringing down the number of sockets I need to pack, thanks!
You got the best vids on utube brother , if I didn’t already want a Navi I would now lol . HONDA should give you some freebies
sweet video! What kind of boots are you rocking?
Thanks! The boots that I have on in this video are the 5.11 ATAC 6" Side Zip. I've had several pairs of these boots, and they usually last 2-3 years of hard abuse. 😉👍 --QM
Happy you're feeling better, I'be been waiting for this video to come haha. I Just wish the Navi would come to the UK!
Been putting engine oil in the gear case on my Honda beat 110cc for over 10 years . Same thing in my Honda Civic stick shift trany . I shall put fully synthetic on my next oil change.
Hi great video! Would you happen to know what gear oil is used on the Navi? Thanks
The owner's manual calls for standard engine oil, so whatever you use in the crankcase is also good for the final drive. I recommend swithcing to a semi-synthetic or full-synthetic after the first 1K miles. I'm running Mobil1 4T 20W-50 in the engine and the final drive right now. That's heavier/thicker than the recommended 10W-40, but Houston is HOT, and I run my Navi at wide-open throttle most of its life. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard Ok thank you for the information and advice, I appreciate it take care safe riding buddy.
Do you have HONDA DIO 2021 / 2022 I think it same engine with your NAVI 🤔🇵🇭
We don't have the Honda DIO here in the USA. I think you're correct about the same engine... it's also the same unit from the Honda Activa 110 scooter. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Where do you dispose of the oil??
I drain my oil into a larger 5-gallon container and then dispose of it at a AutoZone or another local auto parts store. Most of them accept waste oil for recycling at no charge. 😉👍 --QM
No glove no love ;) Another great video!
That screen and cover looks exactly like the one on a 2013 pcx 150 I bet they would Interchange.
Why are you changing the plug?
These engines don't have oil filters, so the magnetic drain bolt helps to remove abrasive (ferrous) particles from the oil. I've been using the Gold Plug magnetic drain bolts in my motorcycles and scooters for several years. They always have a significant of ferrous sludge, and occasionally a few larger bits, stuck to the magnet when I do the oil changes.
In my mind, the magnetic plug is cheap insurance at only $20. It's cheaper than an engine rebuild, and it should prolong the service life before needing major maintenance. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
There is an alternate method of checking the depth without using the small end of the caliper.
Place the bottom of the flange flat against the outer edge of the left jaw next to the analog scale.
From wide open, slide the right jaw closed until the left rear edge of the right jaw stops against the bottom of the threads.
This will be the same reading as the depth gage protruding from the small end and might be easier for you to do.
I have a 2023 ct125, so the only difference between the MP01 and MP01T bolt head size? The length of the actual threaded portion is exactly the same?
Yep, the "T" just has a reduced head size, but the other dimensions are identical. 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard ty you saved me ordering a T to compare
Great vid for those not wanting to spend $100 at a dealer for the same service. Your dog seems completely disinterested.
Love the dos equis
Just got my navi it’s forest green the lock on my luggage box will not unlock apparently the lock doesn’t match all the other locks that the bike has , my Honda dealer in my area is getting a new lock mechanism and get it matched to my key
That's odd for sure. I've heard of other issues with new Navi's (e.g., bad speedo cables, loose spark plug boots, crooked handlebars, etc), but a mismatched key is a first. Good luck sorting it out with the dealer, and let us know how things go for you. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Unfortunately got water in my engine(been riding in allot of rain with a aftermarket intake) and the gold plug saved it from farther damage by catching a couple pinky nail clipping size pieces of metal. Grom’s still running just as strong as ever, so hopefully the damage was minor🤞🤞. Everybody need a a Gold Plug!
@qoppie there is no filter so nope
Thanks for the video. So looks like that weak idle remains. There was an experienced fellow who commented in your other video that after 300 miles/break-in the compression will be full and it'll idle better. Was thinking about the Navi for my daughter but lack of EFI is probably a deal breaker. I remember my old days warming up a carb engine and it was a lousy experience in cold weather.
whats EFI?
EFI = Electronic Fuel Injection. Honda's brand name for their flavor of EFI is PGM-FI (Programmed Fuel Injection)... same thing with a fancier name! 🤣👍 --QM
@@fqqures1019 Modern gas engines all have EFI. That's how you can start an engine up and just drive. Without it, in cold weather, you'll have to start with a choke, then gradually reduce it till the engine warms up. Sometimes even starting up is a PITA. Too much choke fouls the engine. Then when you think the engine is warm enough and you try to move, it dies. No EFI also means you have a carb with a bowl of gas that gums up (hence winterizing a carb engine requires you to drain the carb). Another PITA. No way I am going to subject my child to 1960's technology for what is supposed to be fun.
Want to add that some may say, "why not a Grom, then?" It has EFI yes, but it also has regular clutch and gears. I like the auto CVT transmission. Easy for total newbies. Only other option for automatic trans is a scooter. Don't like the looks of those but may be forced down that route - no choice. Thoughts anyone?
@@sitechca70 As far as Honda there's the PCX150 and ADV150. Both auto and injected, though the ADV is a little less "scooter" looking than the PCX is.
Are you going to change the oil in the transmission cvt gear box as well?
The NAVI service manual doesn't specify mileage intervals for the final drive oil... just change every 2 years. I typically drain/flush/refill the final drive in most of my scooters at the first service (600-1000 miles) and then again every 12-15K, or more frequently if specified in the service manual.
Most scooters use standard engine oil in the final drive, so it's easy to use the same stuff that's going into the crankcase during an oil change. I typically use fully-synthetic 10W-40 or 20W-50 to provide better protection than petro-based oils.
The tricky bit is filling the oil through the horizontal check bolt hole... I have an oil bottle with a clear hose and assorted sized tips that will fit into the check hole. It's usually a messy process no matter how I do it. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard the gear oil type is 80w90 btw and thanks for the reply
Where did you buy your Navi from; I can’t seem to find one anywhere … not even on Hondas website?
I got the first Navi in late December from Eastside Honda in Baytown, TX. You can watch the livestream replay here with the unboxing and buyers contract: ruclips.net/video/64QG635R7aM/видео.html .
I picked up the second Navi (the red giveaway bike) in late February at Wild West Motoplex in Katy, TX. 😉👍 --QM
Where did you get your Honda navi cause I live in the Katy area and I can't find one
I was the first one on the waiting list at Eastside Honda in Baytown, TX. You can watch a repost of the livestream from the day I picked it up here: ruclips.net/video/64QG635R7aM/видео.html . I also have a second Navi (red) that I picked up at Wild West Motoplex a few weeks ago. That second one will be a giveaway on my RUclips channel very soon! Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard Thank you for the info I really appreciate it and how can I enter the giveaway
@@chancecross5816 I will be posting details on my channel about the giveaway in the next few days (hopefully). There will be a series of livestreams where viewers can enter to win the Navi in a final drawing. The contest will last about 4-6 weeks from the start date, and I will announce the winner during the final livestream. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard Thank you again and hopefully I win 🤞
I wonder why Honda didn't make a similar screen cleaning system on the Honda rebel 250 way back when? Also like to see anything with chain drive have a aftermarket or factory available center stand I'd love to have one on all my bikes not just scooters.
Great videos. Question, do I need to use break in oil? I saw on another channel he used it. I already have 72 miles on my Navi, is it too late to use break in oil? I bought a used bike before so It was already broken in. My first time to buy new. OTD price was a shocker!! Thanks.
Thanks for the feedback! Some people insist that break-in oil is mandatory, but I've never had any problems running the oil that is included from Honda (not sure if that has extra additives or not). Most break-in oils will use a specific blend of mineral oils and extra zinc to assist in sealing the piston rings and "mating" to the cylinder wall. You can read a good primer on the topic here: vpracingfuels.com/break-in-oil-what-it-is-and-why-it-matters/ .
I typically run the factory oil for the first 200-300 miles, and then I switch it out to petroleum-based 10W-30 or 10W-40. I'll run petro-based oils for the first 1000-1500 miles and then switch over to high quality synthetic oils to minimize engine wear. The first early oil change has been a practice of mine for decades, and it has served me well. Remember that most of the metal shedding and internal honing will happen in the first 10-20 hours of runtime. I prefer to get the abrasive particulates out of the engine sooner rather than later. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Thank you very much for your very informative reply. 👍 Thanks!
Thanks man!
Is the Navi worth getting?
The NAVI is great for basic transportation and commuting on surface streets with average speeds below 45 MPH. The fuel economy and range isn't great at only ~65-70 miles to empty (~75 MPG), so you need to consider adding frequent fuel stops in your routines. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard thanks! I've been calling around trying to find best deal around will be first bike to drive few miles to work and take on camping trips
@@QuasiMotard What happened to the claimed 119MPG from Honda?
@@holybotulism313 I'm not sure how Honda arrived at their 110 MPG claim. It seems that most Navi owners are seeing the same economy that I am... 75-80 MPG. I haven't done the first 600-mile service yet or adjusted the carburetor. Hopefully, the mileage will improve a bit after some tweaking. 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard 110... My mistake. I got 70mpgs today, but I'm still under 100 miles on the odometer, and most of my ride I was wide open
I have a 2021 c125. I was thinking about running a Navi as it’s replacements. Being that you have both would you recommend that replacement. Or is the super cub a better fit for a mini moto
The Navi is a fun machine, but it's nowhere near the Cub's level of efficiency or usability in my opinion. The Navi is a fun run-around bike with its twist-and-go scooter powertrain, but its carbureted engine is the real let down in terms of fuel efficiency and reliability. My Navi struggles to achieve even 60% of the Cub's fuel efficiency at similar speeds. The Navi's small fuel tank combined with abysmal fuel econonmy reduces its range to only 65-75 miles per tank, so that becomes a real problem for commuting or any back road touring.
The Navi's top speed of 50-55 MPH also limit the choices of "safe" roads to travel. The Cub's top speed of 65-ish MPH beats the Navi by nearly 15 MPH, and that makes a big difference in fast city traffic. The feeling of being undergunned and overpowered on the Navi is more frequent than it is on the Cub... at least for my riding chores.
The Super Cub (or Grom, or Monkey) are much more capable machines in all respects compared to the Navi... more power, better efficiency, astonishingly better braking performance, better ride quality, etc. The new 2023 Honda Dax 125 is rumored to be coming to the USA and other markets next year, so that might be another mini-moto to consider if the Super Cub doesn't fit your needs. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
I accidentally put in a whole Court so what you are saying is I need to remove some of that oil to the top of those hashes or X's as I like to call them correct. My bike won't go top speed but I have started to remove the oil vary slowly with a paper towel making sure that nothing gets on the dipstick before I check it and of course. I'm assuming the speed should be back to normal when the levels are correct. When I originally changed it at 550 miles just before the 600 MI the oil was at half the stick of Love breaking oil the things so I'm not sure if they only filled it up halfway for the first time or if it's just how much it used what was yours at when you change yours ? Liked and subscribed
P.S Got it down to the XS and oh boy she runs like new lol. Well kids we learned a valuable lesson today. Don't over fill or your bike will run like trash and it's also bad for it.
Howdy, Jason! Too much oil in these small engines will reduce performance because of crankshaft "windage" (condition where the crankshaft and connecting rod are submerged in the oil bath, causing parasitic drag and oil foaming/aeration).
If you're at the top of the hash marks on the dipstick (not too much higher), then you'll be fine. If the oil level is above the hash marks, then it's best to drain off a bit of the oil through the lower drain bolt or siphon out a bit through the dipstick/fill hole. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard I did and it worked. Had to drive it a bit but think grasshopper is hopping again 😂
What us the general Thread size incase I wanted to buy another brand. Thank you.
The Honda OEM part number is 90131-KRM-840. The bolt specs are 12mm x 1.5mm thread pitch, 15mm length. Good luck shopping, and let us know if you find a good alternative. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
What’s your impression of the Navi?
The NAVI is a fun and very simple little bike to ride. It's a scooter that thinks it's a motorcycle. My major complaint with my bike is with the carburetor... it runs like crap and constantly stalls out. Other minor issues are the weak drum brakes and the original tires are dangerous on wet pavement. Those are all relatively easy issues to resolve, and the upgrades won't break the bank.
I think the NAVI will become another tuner scooter like the Honda Ruckus. The entry price is very low, so I'm sure that Honda will sell boatloads of them in the USA. Parts and accesories for them are also inexpensive, so that lends to customization and tuning. Overall, I think the NAVI is a fun little machine that needs a few minor (but immediate) upgrades to make it much more reliable and enjoyable motorcycle to own and ride. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
You don't always drink beer but when you do you drink dos Equis 😆 great video
I’m about to do the first oil change on my Navi. When cleaning out the screen, if I don’t have any brake cleaner, what can I use instead?
You can use gasoline, kerosene, WD-40, or any other mild solvent. It's important not to soak the rubber o-ring gasket in harsh solvents because it might make the seal swell or degrade the rubber. 😉👍 --QM
What is your top speed on the Navi
My normal top speed is 52-53 MPH on GPS. I've seen 55 MPH once with a slight downhill grade. My Navi is still 100% stock, but I will be installing some Dr.Pulley sliders soon that might bump upy top speed a little bit. 😉👍 --QM
What model of rear shock did you put on it?
My Navi is still 100% stock, so it's running the OEM rear shock. 😉👍 --QM
Thanks for the great Video! Also the Gold Plug size.
Happy Wednesday to you Quasi. I was just curious if the dipstick on your Navi had a oil capacity printed on it? I have been getting conflicting information. Thank you again, for another well produced, informative video. Happy trails.
Howdy, Edward, and thanks for the feedback! Yes, the oil dipstick does have an embossed label stating "AFTER DRAINING 0.7L" as the capacity. However, page 110 of the owner's manual specifies "0.74L after draining", and "0.85L after draining & cleaning filter screen". I refilled the crankcase with 0.8L and that was about 90% up the hash marks on the dipstick. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard Excellent! Thank you, very much. That clears up everything.
I would really consider amsoil for oil. Love the video! Oh yeah and Bush light had less carbs!
Thanks for the feedback! I've used Amsoil in lots of my race bikes and cars... it's good stuff! I'll be switching over to synthetic oil after the engine is fully broken-in... probably around 1K miles.
I don't always drink beer, but when I do... I drink Dos Equis! 🤣👍 --QM
Any plans for modifications in the near future?
Absolutely! I'm planning to install a few bolt-ons and minor upgrades in the next few weeks. I have a set of Dr.Pulley sliders, the Honda windscreen, and several other items on order. I will be doing the DC conversion on the headlight & tail light, and upgrading to LED's throughout. A set of better tires are also in my NAVI's future... the OEM tires are treacherous on wet surfaces.
As for performance upgrades, I will (hopefully) have a custom exhaust from Coffman's Exhaust soon, along with a carburetor re-jet and airbox mods to match the new airflow. I don't anticipate doing a BBK right away, but that could happen sometime next year. Beyond that, I'm just planning to ride the wheels off of it! Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Nice video we did the oil change on the Navi too although yours looks way better 😎 Kevin gonna order the Led Light 💡 hope it looks good 👍🏻
👍🤠👍.. Can't wait till you get your carb set right.. Are you going to fine tune the variator..?..
You and me both! 🤣 Yes, I will be installing a set of Dr.Pulley slider weights soon, and then I'll evaluate whether I want to do any other mods to the variator. I think that the sliders will improve the midrange acceleration and also bump the top speed 2-3 MPH (based on my results with other scooters in the fleet). Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
I’m in humble we should go riding one day
That would be great! You should jion my Discord server (free) so we can chat: discord.gg/DfC97FU . I started a channel ( #group-rides-meetups ) so all of us can coordinate rides. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Choked at 70 degrees is not a promising example of Hondas minimotos. Is it your carb in particular? Did you get it checked with the dealer yet?
No, I haven't taken it back to the dealer yet... but that's coming soon! Hopefully, they will be able to adjust the A/F mixture and note it on the warranty card for future reference. If they can't fix it, then I'll dig into the carburetor and re-jet it myself. 😉👍 --QM
will that plug work for my trail 125?
Yep, the same plug works for most of Honda's bikes. I have the Gold Plug MP-01 in all of my mini-motos and several of my other full-size Honda motorcycles. 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard thanks i ordered one this morning.i already did a oil change then i went to the beach and learned DONT try to ride into the lumps of grass. it ran on its side about 45 seconds so i'm going to change it again.
QM I know changes out the oil do ever check gear oil too!
Howdy, Roy! I just replied to another viewer with the question, so I'll repost it here for consistency...
The NAVI service manual doesn't specify mileage intervals for the final drive oil... just change every 2 years. I typically drain/flush/refill the final drive in most of my scooters at the first service (600-1000 miles) and then again every 12-15K, or more frequently if specified in the service manual.
Most scooters use standard engine oil in the final drive, so it's easy to use the same stuff that's going into the crankcase during an oil change. I typically use fully-synthetic 10W-40 or 20W-50 to provide better protection than petro-based oils.
The tricky bit is filling the oil through the horizontal check bolt hole... I have an oil bottle with a clear hose and assorted sized tips that will fit into the check hole. It's usually a messy process no matter how I do it. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
hey comment section, what size socket will I need to remove the oil filter cap? thanks in advance!
Actually I think I figured it out from watching over and over, deep socket 17mm, i hope my 1/4 ratchet socket works haha
Thx
Thanks for the video! QM
I want to buy
Honda recommending 10w30 for all temps is a bad idea in my opinion! in air cooled service i use nothing thinner than 10w40. was thinking of shell rotella.
You don’t clean screen until 7,500 miles Final drive every 2 years. My 82 Honda has 16,000 hours on original motor with no rebuild I think I changed the oil twice lol
Nice 👍 both gold plugs fit.. I ordered the T edition already so thats going in 🤷♂️. My cousin cleans his hands with brake clean 😂 i tell him dont do that!..
I used kerosene for years! It still dries out my skin, but it's better than brake cleaner or acetone! 🤣👍 --QM
so i drink water from a garden hose!
People out here acting like the Navi is a motorcycle. It’s not, it’s literally a fancy looking scooter.
any bike with a fold down kickstand =motorcycle.
@@boster8368 by that logic a bicycle is a motorcycle
if the bicycle had a motor= motorcycle.
Is it that important to you?
😂 does it matter?!
My choke does same as yours.
you sound like me when getting up now.
Getting old sucks! 🤣👍 --QM
I just got mine a couple of days ago and I'm still tinkering around with it because I found some hidden compartments also found a hidden storage compartment which is a storage box I just now put a radio in that today I'm also going to do some upgrades to the headlight the turn signals and the brake light and the dashboard light I'm going to upgrade all of those things to the LED light bulb and also keep gas and oil for it those are the major things that you have to have and you're all good to go and maybe every now and then change out the air filter and I'm also going to upgrade the battery I don't know what size battery I'm going to get it in but I do know I can't go too big that'll be once I start putting some money on my Amazon account I will start getting all my upgrades parts that I need
klotz synthetic oil.
That's funny 😂 exam good one
At 15:54 you sound like B. Obama…🤣
Im using a 17 as well that I was originally going to use for my Honda Grom. Finally got my Ranger Green. Its stunning!
#HondaNaviRocksSendMeFreeStuffHONDA
Rotella 15w40 full synthetic. Cheap and better to be honest.
👍 Yep, Shell Rotella T6 is great stuff, and it carries the JASO MA-2 certification for motorcycle engines. I've been running that in my SilverWing and other scooters for over a decade.
I switched the Navi over to Rotella T6 after the first 1000 miles. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Are you going to be the first person to Cannonball a Navi ?
I'm not sure yet, but it's under consideration. The NAVI doesn't technically qualify for the SCBR because it only meets 2 of the 5 rules, and a minimum of 3/5 is required to compete. We might see a minor rule change to allow the NAVI to compete officially. Otherwise, it can probably run but not place in the rankings. Here is the discussion thread that I started on the SCBR forum: forum.scootercannonballrun.com/t/honda-navi-110-for-the-2023-scbr/2465/13 . Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Anyone need an exam? hahahahahhahaha
😂
Don't mention gloves lmao I'm sitting in the hospital recovering and watching quasi v is does - cant even ride the bike home
Ouch! What happened? 😲 --QM
@@QuasiMotard bits that are there that shouldn't be - process ongoing - meh just watch more videos lol