Clearly Jor-El liked playing with his Zoom settings when he was making recordings for the Fortress of Solitude. There were probably some bits Superman watched offscreen where Jor-El had an obviously fake sombrero on his head or his carefully curated study bookshelves were visible in the background.
Ben the editor really does an amazing job on these. It's one thing to put together coherent clips from the movie, but his ability to visually match their humor without drawing focus from flow the video is genuinely impressive. They are lucky to have him on board.
Maybe the ending should have been that the Kryptonian villains get de-powered as planned, but then are arrested (as in the TV cut or whatever) and sent to jail...where they break out and go on a gun-toting rampage as normal criminals!
@@KeithFraser82 they just join a low level street gang as muscle. There's a good amount of character like that in comics that are extremely op but oddly choose to work for a normal villain that they could easily take over from.
You might be thinking of one of the updated/special editions. For instance, originally Jabba the Hutt was a dude, then he was a muppet/animatronic, and then he was cgi. So can you say with any certainty that there isn't a version of Star Wars where Obi Wan is played by Alec Michael Christopher Lee Caine Guinness?
I remember reading that Superman Returns was made to follow Superman II, is if III had never existed. Brandon Routh did a great job of capturing the essence of Chris Reeves' portrayal.
Why is Donald Trump pretty and I am not? But why does he only have a wife but I have TWO HOT GIRLFRIENDS who I show off in my masterpiece YT videos? Do you know the answer, dear wre
The biggest regret of these movies is firing Richard Donnor. I really believe he could’ve made one of the best film trilogies of all time as he cared so much about the character. It would’ve been a trilogy an actor like Christopher Reeve deserved.
Its a brilliant testament to Christopher Reeve's acting skills and dedication to the role that his version of Superman keeps this film fresh in the minds of popular culture. Special effects get dated, but he doesn't. Its still telling that all these years later, he'll be the one who all others who play the role have to measure up to.
Where is your heart, mate? The villain's is an evil witch and they fight in a abandoned amusement park. Even as a comic book movie starved child I could barely get through.
That bit at the end where James and Maso were talking about how Donner (the good Richard) regretted not being able to complete his version of the Superman movies honestly made me a little teary eyed.
I would assume it'd have been easier for Donner if they just never made Superman 2, because it's one thing to not be able to complete your vision, but it must be something else entirely to get like 80% done and then they bring in a hack with no vision to "finish" your work by basically destroying a good chunk of what is already done so he can get credit for it.
@@saturninhabitant not too sure they're that similar. Donner was a good director, Lester was not. Based on Man of Steel and Batman v. Superman, we kind of already know what Snyder is as a director of this material...and besides, not nearly as much film got reshot as some believe, most of Snyders film was used in the theater cut of he Justice League (although recolored). At this point we know what Snyder is as a director
@@99annanic It wasn't WB. It was the Salkinds who fired him. They were the ones who owned the film rights (they also mostly paid for the movie) with WB acting as distributor. The Salkinds were idiots who got lucky with Donner in the first movie. Had they had it their way, the first movie would have been as bad the the Lester cut of 2 and Superman 3.
Then there are interesting cases like the 2017 JL, where Joss wasn't credited up until now. Until now, it said "a Zack Snyder film" which it wasn't, but I'm guessing WB was just trying to distance themselves with Snyder as they did with Burton and Donner in the past.
@@Nindroidgamer110 don’t think they ever credited Joss. He has screen writing credit. Doubt joss wanted credit for it also. It felt like they put zacks name in big letters at the start of the movie to try and pin it on him haha. Was great when Zack named his movie Zack Snyder’s Justice League… that was a real “up yours” to everyone involved in the theatrical hack job.
And the Aussie boys nail it once more. What i love about you guys is that you have such a great blend of information and entertainment. You obviously do a ton of research, you present it succinctly and with the absolute bloody magic chemistry you lads have. The editing is top notch of course, and the delivery of info and imagery is spot on but the real x factor is your banter. I love the episodes I watch even when i know everything about the subject... How you present it makes it fresh and so worthwhile. Knocked it out the park again lads! Much respect and love from 🇮🇪
There is a comic book run where Geoff Johns brought Richard Donner in to cowrite and they used the story Donner would have used for his version of Superman 3
I’m so glad you guys did this. I just watched the Donner cut and was conflicted; I loved the Lester cut, cause it’s what I grew up with. I really liked the Donner cut, but the reversing of time threw me off. I loved your thoughts of selective reversing of time, though. Hilarious...
I’m so glad that CJ’s seemingly been drafted into the regular COG team, they’re fantastic. I could listen to you guys talk about Christopher Reeve superman all day, but I think it’s very nice to have everything condensed into a convenient bubble with snappy editing and visual aids as well.
Donner himself has said that had he stayed on for the entire production he would have made a new ending for SuperMan 2 instead of reusing the "Reverse the Earth" ending.
@Stellvia Hoenheim huh? He was a shit bloke because of his disrespect for individuals around him. His activism was generally pretty great and i respect it, but that doesn't mean he wasn't an asshole lol.
You guys won't probably read this but I've been watching your content for a while now and I just wanna say you guys are my favorite people discussing movies and shows just because you sound very passionate and enthusiastic in all of your videos which in turn make me very interested to know more about these topics. Love you guys!
You mean black culture. And I'm sure folks working at marvel knew that half the Wu went by superhero aliases at times. Very common knowledge to ppl who work in entertainment or have lived in America the last 30 yrs.
@@burna2650 They've known for a while. Though the scene got deleted, Ghostface "Tony Starks" Killer was in Iron Man 1, a party inn Dubai I believe that he was hosting was the cover for Tony actually getting to the middle east so he could deploy to Gulmira for his very first mission. Though I will say that the Wu have transcended. I've ran into and seen a lot of white folks who love the Wu Tang Clan.
Most of the Metropolis fight was filmed by Lester, but the Donner cut edits the footage to make it more tonally consistent. Apparently, Donner only filmed some cutaway shots of the fight (particularly the shots where Lois is reacting) before Lester was hired.
i remember reading interviews from Bryan SInger, and he said that Superman returns is more of a sequel to the Donner cut, which is what made me seek it out all those years ago.
Superman 2: Knocks a powerless Zod into the abyss, nobody bats an eye. Man of Steel: Snaps Zod's neck before he murders an entire family with his heat vision, everyone loses their minds!
Prior to the internet, almost nobody gave a sh*t about faithfulness to the comics. Batman, the guy who infamously doesn't kill, is an explicit murderer during the '89 film and it's sequel, and nobody really cared at the time. This is an unpopular opinion, but I kind of prefer that attitude, because adaptations should be different, and I don't care what they change, so long as it's a good movie. That's just my opinion.
I think it’s also like “Who cares?” when it comes to the older movies. Man of Steel was trying harder to be a lot more dour and serious and a decision like that (to kill the villain) is treated with a lot more weight. But it’s also not as well rationalised in the narrative, given that Man of Steel Superman isn’t really shown as someone with this conflict on if he should kill. I don’t think we got enough of him showing his love of earth and its people as a regular human.
I think the fact that he reversed time probably makes it better somehow. Don't get me wrong I love this film but I'd rather superman not kill. That's one of the reasons I hate mos but the killing isn't the worst thing about the characterisation in that film. But yeah superman reversing time kinda gives off a feeling of superman doing that because he new he could reverse it so it didn't matter at that point in time. But like I said I wouldn't have gone that way
Your post baffled, confused, & frightened me. I had to look it up & whoa....that's wild. Always fun finding random things like that. Having been Zod yelling his name for no reason, he would've been a great Palpatine.
James.. Mason.. for the love of God... do a CoG episode over Starship Troopers. I feel like I'm early enough to be noticed. Now notice me. I left a like....
The first one is so much fun. I don’t know if the others are any good(or so bad they’re good), but the first is worth a watch. Verhoeven’s satirical propaganda style is so great.
I believe the police vans picking up the villains was in an airplane edit, implying that the Fortress of Solitudes location is known to the authorities and is close enough to a town or city that they can have vans out there in no time. That whole scene in the first movie where young Clark Kent seemed he was walking forever into bleak, snowy wilderness? He actually walked about half a mile then was like 'sod it (Zod it?), this will do.'
Zod's a sadist and an egotist. Why not use his heat vision on wide beam and microwave an entire city, or punch a tectonic plate and kill everyone at once with massive earthquakes? Because it's more fun to go slow, make his enemies realize they're helpless. He's the kind of guy who would keep a mental list of all the different ways he's killed people. I agree it is funny.
Smallville just great all around, imo has the best Kent parents. So far loving the pilot and 1st episode of superman & lois gonna be interesting to see supers kids the path they'll take.
You two are the best. Thanks for this loving look at a film that should have been but never was. And also - thank you x1000 for explaining why both this cut and the first Superman ended with time travel. When I saw this cut I thought "So Donner ended BOTH movies with time travel?!" but your explanation makes more sense.
I think both versions were good. The second version definitely feels more like the first movie. As a Superman fan it was worth watching and having in the collection.
I love the Donner cut. I just wish it was 100% complete. I especially liked the Brando footage. And the line the son becomes the father, the father the son.
That was a great choice for soundtrack over James' speech about the good things. Kinda got teary eyed......and then comes the car bumper. Good work Ben
The shoulders with the civilisation 6 theme made me laugh over a good portion of this video. Whatever you editor gets, they deserve more! Well done. Edit: smash bros got me too. I would like to emphasise my earlier point
If I had a nickel for every DC movie prominently featuring Superman that got taken over by a different director who made a worse version which then had a re-cut re-release with more of the original directors vision I'd have two nickels. Its not a lot, but its weird that it happened twice.
So excited that the famous Guy Who Has Never Heard of Star Wars made a guest appearance with James and Mason this week. Weird that he only spoke when Star Wars was brought up, but either way it was nice to hear from him!
Or better yet if the remaining reminants of the explosion merged and had the conscious of all the krypton people. call the character 'Reminants' and it could have conscious of Clark's mom and fucked with him
I am a new subber, and have been burning through the back catalog. I have been loving the coming of all the Superman movies(Spiderman/Superman are my fav comic characters) I know, I like my peanut butter on white bread.
All this Richard Lester hate. smh. Richard Lester is a great director. A Hard Days Night, Petulia, Robin and Marian, Three Musketeers and Four Musketeers, The Knack. He's made some great films. I wouldn't pass judgment on him just because of the Superman stuff.
Same. It really shows us why Superman loves this woman. She's so clever and out there, and even if it requires a bit of explanation as for how Superman couldn't tell it was fake (he didn't check because he didn't think she'd be lying, he didn't feel it because he probably never feels bullets unless he actively wants to, and perhaps he subconsciously wanted to finally come put to her), it genuinely puts a smile on my face to see Lois "gotcha" Superman.
@@jacobclark6002 absolutely agree! Also the moment when Clark becomes Superman is magically and every time I see it, I’m more convinced Christopher IS Superman
There are subtle cuts in the "revenge in the diner" scene that apparently remove direct references to them having met before, but it's still a stupid scene to leave in: He's basically just picking a fight with someone who doesn't remember him!
Indeed or maybe do that scene before he turns back time? Tbh better explanation could be he wiped her mine with some alien device in the fortress of solitude rather than a kiss?
Normally, the Jor-El in the Fortress of Solitude is a perfect AI replica of him that also has the entire encyclopedic knowledge of Krypton. So he can be aware of others and communicate with them.
If the time reversal bit originally wasn't supposed to happen until the second film, then how could Lois have been alive in 2 when she died at the end of the first film?
I actually like the Richard Lester way, Lois finds out about Clark for a few reasons. Most importantly though, jumping out of a multi-story window in the middle of a work day, is too simply public. There is no way Lois would been able to return to work. She would have been carted off to a hospital for psychiatric evaluation, her career would have been over. At least when Lois jumps into Niagara Falls, Clark is the ONLY witness.
It's rumoured that people trying to watch Looney Tunes: Back in Action were instead treated to an early version of this movie.
That's bloody hilarious mate.
yo its Votesaxon07
Nice to see you here!
I unironically enjoy Looney Tunes Back in Action
Lol good one
Clearly Jor-El liked playing with his Zoom settings when he was making recordings for the Fortress of Solitude. There were probably some bits Superman watched offscreen where Jor-El had an obviously fake sombrero on his head or his carefully curated study bookshelves were visible in the background.
Ben the editor really does an amazing job on these. It's one thing to put together coherent clips from the movie, but his ability to visually match their humor without drawing focus from flow the video is genuinely impressive. They are lucky to have him on board.
So are we
He certainly is very talented.
Yes
I disagree. Most of it was good but the stupid memes was jarring.
General Zodd with that gun justified the entire recut of this film
Maybe the ending should have been that the Kryptonian villains get de-powered as planned, but then are arrested (as in the TV cut or whatever) and sent to jail...where they break out and go on a gun-toting rampage as normal criminals!
@@KeithFraser82 they just join a low level street gang as muscle. There's a good amount of character like that in comics that are extremely op but oddly choose to work for a normal villain that they could easily take over from.
@@llhaken then they start rising the ranks, gaining more and more power in the criminal underworld, slowly planting the seeds of krypton's survival.
@@ProjektTaku exactly!
But he don’t need a gun, he has laser vision!
“A lot of people getting in the way of these being much better than they should have been” that’s still happening today for DC characters.
yea WB just won't get rid of Zack Snyder
@@generalgeminii9901
WB got rid of him. At&t brought him back and rightly so.
@@integrity101 unfortunately
@@generalgeminii9901
No. It was beyond stupid to fire him in the first place.
@@integrity101 yeah, it WAS pretty stupid to hire him in the first place 😁👍
I would love a CoG of a Brando movie where yall just roast him.
🚨 bad bloke alert 🚨
@@PittsburghSonido bad bloke brando
Island of doctor monroue
Who?
They could do either Last Tango in Paris or Island of Dr. Moreau and just have at it.
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the Bond movies from the 80's are FILL with Star Wars actors
by the way, the Lobot actor plays Blofeld on For Your Eyes Only
The actor who played the man with the golden gun in The Man With the Golden Gun, also played Obi Wan Kenobi. The more you know, and such.
@@cdubsoptional7849 I don't even know if that is a joke or not.
The same actor also played the lead role in both versions of Get Carter.
@@cdubsoptional7849 That actor is Sir Christopher Lee, and he played Scaramanga in James Bond and Count Dooku in Star Wars.
You might be thinking of one of the updated/special editions. For instance, originally Jabba the Hutt was a dude, then he was a muppet/animatronic, and then he was cgi. So can you say with any certainty that there isn't a version of Star Wars where Obi Wan is played by Alec Michael Christopher Lee Caine Guinness?
I remember reading that Superman Returns was made to follow Superman II, is if III had never existed. Brandon Routh did a great job of capturing the essence of Chris Reeves' portrayal.
I never understood the hate Brandon got. I loved that movie
Caravan Of Garbage continues to be awesome. Always an instant click.
Yes
Why is Donald Trump pretty and I am not? But why does he only have a wife but I have TWO HOT GIRLFRIENDS who I show off in my masterpiece YT videos? Do you know the answer, dear wre
@@AxxLAfriku what’s going on here
@@jeetywheety7008 I am also intrigued
@@zenithal666 same here, scared aswell though I bet this guy’s friends with marlon Brando
The biggest regret of these movies is firing Richard Donnor. I really believe he could’ve made one of the best film trilogies of all time as he cared so much about the character. It would’ve been a trilogy an actor like Christopher Reeve deserved.
yeah. The first one with lex, second with zod, and third with brainiac.
I will put it in my list of places to go when time travel is possible.
@@bennywark3103 same. I'm also gonna go to when superman returns was being made an add in bizarro as the main villain when time travel exists.
@@ProjektTakudidn’t they already made X-men 3? (The last stand)
@@UltimateNut yes but not how I would've liked, and we're talking about what we would do with time travel.
YOU MUST DO SUPERGIRL.
WE WILL HAVE THE SEVENTH. YOU MUST WATCH PETER O’TOOLE PHONE IN HIS ENTIRE PERFORMANCE.
@@mezzb nah, just shit.
UNITE THE SEVEN
True. The seventh must be witnessed
Peter otoole and the giant bug
@@mezzb Nick Cage is also a character actor. He is known for being one with his characters.
Its a brilliant testament to Christopher Reeve's acting skills and dedication to the role that his version of Superman keeps this film fresh in the minds of popular culture. Special effects get dated, but he doesn't. Its still telling that all these years later, he'll be the one who all others who play the role have to measure up to.
Ending it on a new version of Superman II so James could get in one more Bad Bloke Brando is the real time travel here
It’s not finished till you do the Supergirl movie. It’s part of this era of superman
That’s PC gone mad, mate.
Where is your heart, mate? The villain's is an evil witch and they fight in a abandoned amusement park. Even as a comic book movie starved child I could barely get through.
Just edit Brenda Vaccaro out of it. It’ll already be 50% better.
For Peter otoole alone
@@frambojan Supergirl’s actress is gorgeous tho.
Your editors are much appreciated. They make these videos gold.
I hereby plead a vote of no confidence in Chancelor Valorums leadership
@Stella Hohenheim padme said this i guess she is technically an alien but I wouldn't say gross looking haha
VOTE NOW! VOTE NOW!
That bit at the end where James and Maso were talking about how Donner (the good Richard) regretted not being able to complete his version of the Superman movies honestly made me a little teary eyed.
I would assume it'd have been easier for Donner if they just never made Superman 2, because it's one thing to not be able to complete your vision, but it must be something else entirely to get like 80% done and then they bring in a hack with no vision to "finish" your work by basically destroying a good chunk of what is already done so he can get credit for it.
Seriously tho, the worst thing Warner Brothers did was fire Richard Donnor.
@@andrewshandle And the history repeat again with Justice League and how they fired Snyder and brought Wheadon to make a piece of garbage.
@@saturninhabitant not too sure they're that similar. Donner was a good director, Lester was not. Based on Man of Steel and Batman v. Superman, we kind of already know what Snyder is as a director of this material...and besides, not nearly as much film got reshot as some believe, most of Snyders film was used in the theater cut of he Justice League (although recolored).
At this point we know what Snyder is as a director
@@99annanic It wasn't WB. It was the Salkinds who fired him. They were the ones who owned the film rights (they also mostly paid for the movie) with WB acting as distributor.
The Salkinds were idiots who got lucky with Donner in the first movie. Had they had it their way, the first movie would have been as bad the the Lester cut of 2 and Superman 3.
Love the subtle "Memory Lane" by Nas drop that Ben threw in when you said memory lane.... He's a beast of an editor
Usually for a new director to have full billing as Director, they need to have shot 75% of a movie. Which is why I believe they reshot so much.
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Then there are interesting cases like the 2017 JL, where Joss wasn't credited up until now. Until now, it said "a Zack Snyder film" which it wasn't, but I'm guessing WB was just trying to distance themselves with Snyder as they did with Burton and Donner in the past.
@@evanbondurant9862 Its more..
@@kanukki84 Nah actually
@@Nindroidgamer110 don’t think they ever credited Joss. He has screen writing credit. Doubt joss wanted credit for it also. It felt like they put zacks name in big letters at the start of the movie to try and pin it on him haha. Was great when Zack named his movie Zack Snyder’s Justice League… that was a real “up yours” to everyone involved in the theatrical hack job.
Maybe the real Donner were the Cuts we made along the way
Nice try, no though.
"we don't want to do supergirl yet as we can't face something that terrible for a while."
chooses to do the hasselhoff nick fury movie.
okay?
And the Aussie boys nail it once more. What i love about you guys is that you have such a great blend of information and entertainment. You obviously do a ton of research, you present it succinctly and with the absolute bloody magic chemistry you lads have.
The editing is top notch of course, and the delivery of info and imagery is spot on but the real x factor is your banter.
I love the episodes I watch even when i know everything about the subject... How you present it makes it fresh and so worthwhile.
Knocked it out the park again lads!
Much respect and love from 🇮🇪
Give Ben a raise! You guys are funny, but the editing is what makes it!
There is a comic book run where Geoff Johns brought Richard Donner in to cowrite and they used the story Donner would have used for his version of Superman 3
I’m so glad you guys did this. I just watched the Donner cut and was conflicted; I loved the Lester cut, cause it’s what I grew up with. I really liked the Donner cut, but the reversing of time threw me off. I loved your thoughts of selective reversing of time, though. Hilarious...
I’m so glad that CJ’s seemingly been drafted into the regular COG team, they’re fantastic. I could listen to you guys talk about Christopher Reeve superman all day, but I think it’s very nice to have everything condensed into a convenient bubble with snappy editing and visual aids as well.
Petition for "guy who doesn't know anything about star wars" being in smash!
Donner himself has said that had he stayed on for the entire production he would have made a new ending for SuperMan 2 instead of reusing the "Reverse the Earth" ending.
what would've it been?
You guys cure my depression. Long live James and Maso (and Ben!!) x
R.I.P.
Dick Donner,
Tom Mankiewicz,
Margot Kidder and Christopher Reeve 😢
Thank you for the *_magic_* 🙏❤️
"The Donner Cut" is a cannibal cookbook
Can we have a Brando Slander segment on weekly planet going forward? Thanks
He was a bad bloke!!!
@Stellvia Hoenheim huh? He was a shit bloke because of his disrespect for individuals around him. His activism was generally pretty great and i respect it, but that doesn't mean he wasn't an asshole lol.
Even as a child I remember the original cut of this movie to be inconsistent and confusing. Donner cut really gave me some closure on the whole thing.
There was nothing confusing about the theatrical cut of Superman II, some inconsistencies yes, but that happens in both versions.
You guys won't probably read this but I've been watching your content for a while now and I just wanna say you guys are my favorite people discussing movies and shows just because you sound very passionate and enthusiastic in all of your videos which in turn make me very interested to know more about these topics. Love you guys!
speaking of Method Man, he was in the Luke Cage series, I love how Marvel realised that Wu-Tang are a very important part of New York culture.
You mean black culture. And I'm sure folks working at marvel knew that half the Wu went by superhero aliases at times. Very common knowledge to ppl who work in entertainment or have lived in America the last 30 yrs.
@@burna2650 They've known for a while. Though the scene got deleted, Ghostface "Tony Starks" Killer was in Iron Man 1, a party inn Dubai I believe that he was hosting was the cover for Tony actually getting to the middle east so he could deploy to Gulmira for his very first mission. Though I will say that the Wu have transcended. I've ran into and seen a lot of white folks who love the Wu Tang Clan.
Most of the Metropolis fight was filmed by Lester, but the Donner cut edits the footage to make it more tonally consistent. Apparently, Donner only filmed some cutaway shots of the fight (particularly the shots where Lois is reacting) before Lester was hired.
The editing is phenomenal, the Smash Bros "Man who doesn't know what Star wars is" joke broke me lmao
I heart Mr. Chinapen
i remember reading interviews from Bryan SInger, and he said that Superman returns is more of a sequel to the Donner cut, which is what made me seek it out all those years ago.
Unpopular opinion . Superman returns was a good movie
I lost it at "correct" horse. Great editing as always!
Superman 2: Knocks a powerless Zod into the abyss, nobody bats an eye.
Man of Steel: Snaps Zod's neck before he murders an entire family with his heat vision, everyone loses their minds!
Where "everyone" is just a lot of loud people on Twitter and YT. ;)
Prior to the internet, almost nobody gave a sh*t about faithfulness to the comics. Batman, the guy who infamously doesn't kill, is an explicit murderer during the '89 film and it's sequel, and nobody really cared at the time. This is an unpopular opinion, but I kind of prefer that attitude, because adaptations should be different, and I don't care what they change, so long as it's a good movie. That's just my opinion.
@@andrewshandle i mean... thats alot.
I think it’s also like “Who cares?” when it comes to the older movies.
Man of Steel was trying harder to be a lot more dour and serious and a decision like that (to kill the villain) is treated with a lot more weight. But it’s also not as well rationalised in the narrative, given that Man of Steel Superman isn’t really shown as someone with this conflict on if he should kill. I don’t think we got enough of him showing his love of earth and its people as a regular human.
I think the fact that he reversed time probably makes it better somehow. Don't get me wrong I love this film but I'd rather superman not kill. That's one of the reasons I hate mos but the killing isn't the worst thing about the characterisation in that film. But yeah superman reversing time kinda gives off a feeling of superman doing that because he new he could reverse it so it didn't matter at that point in time. But like I said I wouldn't have gone that way
Jesus Christ I just found out Zod is Valorum, years of lies, deception !
Your post baffled, confused, & frightened me. I had to look it up & whoa....that's wild.
Always fun finding random things like that. Having been Zod yelling his name for no reason, he would've been a great Palpatine.
Maximum betrayal!
James.. Mason.. for the love of God... do a CoG episode over Starship Troopers.
I feel like I'm early enough to be noticed. Now notice me. I left a like....
Agreed. Perfect fodder for the CoG treatment, and optional sequels, animateds.. etc
The first one is so much fun. I don’t know if the others are any good(or so bad they’re good), but the first is worth a watch. Verhoeven’s satirical propaganda style is so great.
@@darthmaul589 yep. That's what makes it ripe for the show. First is solid, but tons to poke fun at, and then it's a trash fire, so it fits.
@@Dan_d00d 100% agree. It feels like CoG was literally made for movies like Starship Troopers.
I believe the police vans picking up the villains was in an airplane edit, implying that the Fortress of Solitudes location is known to the authorities and is close enough to a town or city that they can have vans out there in no time. That whole scene in the first movie where young Clark Kent seemed he was walking forever into bleak, snowy wilderness? He actually walked about half a mile then was like 'sod it (Zod it?), this will do.'
No, it was the Arctic police. Get it right.
Instead of at The North Pole where it should be, it’s just 3 miles into the Alaskan wilderness, people trip over it all the time
Really appreciate you legends going back to do this version!!! Good call!
General Zod: can shoot lasers with his eyes
Picks up a gun and shoots people
Zod's a sadist and an egotist. Why not use his heat vision on wide beam and microwave an entire city, or punch a tectonic plate and kill everyone at once with massive earthquakes? Because it's more fun to go slow, make his enemies realize they're helpless. He's the kind of guy who would keep a mental list of all the different ways he's killed people.
I agree it is funny.
Just because I pack a mean punch doesn’t mean I want to punch things bare fisted all the time
@@whade62000 I don't disagree, but lazer eyes are more than a mean right hook haha
I pop bubbles in bubble paper, so what?
Watching Caravan of Garbage is such a blessing in between my lectures
Ben, great job hammering the software war to edit this together.
no one quite hammers the software like ben
Maybe the real Donner Cut was the friends we made along the way.
Would love to see them do a season/episode of Smallville. There's some good content there
Smallville just great all around, imo has the best Kent parents.
So far loving the pilot and 1st episode of superman & lois gonna be interesting to see supers kids the path they'll take.
You two are the best. Thanks for this loving look at a film that should have been but never was.
And also - thank you x1000 for explaining why both this cut and the first Superman ended with time travel. When I saw this cut I thought "So Donner ended BOTH movies with time travel?!" but your explanation makes more sense.
I think both versions were good. The second version definitely feels more like the first movie. As a Superman fan it was worth watching and having in the collection.
Kind of prefer the way Lois finds out. Shows that even though Superman can do all these things, he can be outsmarted by Lois.
10's kids: "TELL THAT TO ZOD'S SNAPPED NECK!"
80's kids: "TELL THAT TO ZOD'S CRYSTAL-IMPALED CORPSE!"
I love the Donner cut. I just wish it was 100% complete. I especially liked the Brando footage. And the line the son becomes the father, the father the son.
The Richard Donner cut is my favorite Superman movie.
I only watch the ABC cut from the 1980s.
@@MMAfighter38113 I've never seen that version.
Oh dear
@@robatkinson2125 what?
I love you guys.. my morning routine is wake up, get coffee and turn on caravan of garbage .. the best youtube channel by far... 😁🥰
Brando makes this movie what it is,even when he wasn't in it originally...
That was a great choice for soundtrack over James' speech about the good things. Kinda got teary eyed......and then comes the car bumper. Good work Ben
Also had they not sacked Donner Superman 3 would have been different with the 3 villains in it.
I think the villain of superman 3 would've been brainiac.
The shoulders with the civilisation 6 theme made me laugh over a good portion of this video. Whatever you editor gets, they deserve more! Well done.
Edit: smash bros got me too. I would like to emphasise my earlier point
I could have went the rest of my life without being reminded of 'The island of Dr Moreau'
Never seen it. Is it that bad?
@@starsiegeplayer Not only is it *bad* but apparently there was alot of behind the scene things happening. Including deaths
If I had a nickel for every DC movie prominently featuring Superman that got taken over by a different director who made a worse version which then had a re-cut re-release with more of the original directors vision I'd have two nickels.
Its not a lot, but its weird that it happened twice.
Please can Smallville and Lois & Clark get the Caravan of Garbage treatment 🥸
Ben really went all out with the music inserts on this video, really moving stuff lol
I'd like an Aunty Donna cut of this movie
It's an incredible vision as to what Superman part Two was meant to be. Richard Donner forever!
It's so good that I cried.
Richard Donner lives in his own space!
So excited that the famous Guy Who Has Never Heard of Star Wars made a guest appearance with James and Mason this week. Weird that he only spoke when Star Wars was brought up, but either way it was nice to hear from him!
Goddamn Margot Kidder was an absolute fox back in the day.
I too was quite stunned by her in a bath towel.
@@Tannerj50 oh yes! And her legs in the promo photos of her in the blue blouse yum!
She looks really good in Amityville Horror.
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Richard Pryor thought so...
For the last three weeks every time you guys have uploaded I was watching your videos
Ironically, Superman is strong enough to survive an imploding planet. Imagine if the other Kryptonians survived but were just floating in space
Fortunately, given they were all dicks, they only had a red sun and lots of Kryptonite.
Or better yet if the remaining reminants of the explosion merged and had the conscious of all the krypton people. call the character 'Reminants' and it could have conscious of Clark's mom and fucked with him
I am a new subber, and have been burning through the back catalog. I have been loving the coming of all the Superman movies(Spiderman/Superman are my fav comic characters) I know, I like my peanut butter on white bread.
I want them to do island of dr Moreau just to hear them list all the production troubles now
I believe they went into full detail on one of the podcast episodes. Most troubled productions maybe?
@@trumanderee2366 that does sound a bit familiar
Perfect i was just watching your other superman videos
The Caravan of garbage look back at Superman 2: The bad bloke Brando cut.
Wow. You guys actually went and did it. You. So. Rock.
Can you please please do a caravan of garbage over “The Island of Dr. Moreau”
Ahh yes Mr Sunday Movies. The only RUclips channel I have watched every week for the last 7 years. Great as always lads
the 4 unlikes are for zod, his two buddies, and lex
Thank you for the kind words for this movie. A director's cut 25+ years later that vindicates Dick Donner entirely 🦸#verisimilitude
Have enjoyed all these Super reviews greatly!
Hash-tag: review SUPERGIRL as well
R.I.P.
Richard Donner
Christopher Reeves
Maggot Kidder
Ned Betty
Superman doesn't reverse time, he alone travels back in time by flying faster than light 😉
Except he clearly reverses time In superman 1 because you literally see everything reverse and the planet spin In the wrong direction
The others slightly remember what happened so everyone went back
@@thewerewolff7248 Dick and Tom say he's going back alone. It was 1978, that's how they had to visualize it.
@@exzyyd392 deja vu
All this Richard Lester hate. smh.
Richard Lester is a great director.
A Hard Days Night, Petulia, Robin and Marian, Three Musketeers and Four Musketeers, The Knack. He's made some great films. I wouldn't pass judgment on him just because of the Superman stuff.
Shame James and Maso didn’t like the scene where Lois shoots Clark, I love that scene so much
If they had a final cut shot for use in the film it would have been better of course. But I like it's idea.
Me too, it shows off Lois' ingenuity, rather than Clark inexplicably trips and puts his hand in a fire.
@@morkofork oh god the hand in the fire was so dumb 😂. I like the gun miles better in every way even with the different cuts.
Same. It really shows us why Superman loves this woman. She's so clever and out there, and even if it requires a bit of explanation as for how Superman couldn't tell it was fake (he didn't check because he didn't think she'd be lying, he didn't feel it because he probably never feels bullets unless he actively wants to, and perhaps he subconsciously wanted to finally come put to her), it genuinely puts a smile on my face to see Lois "gotcha" Superman.
@@jacobclark6002 absolutely agree! Also the moment when Clark becomes Superman is magically and every time I see it, I’m more convinced Christopher IS Superman
Ayoooooooo!!!!! Never saw the Richard Donner cut! Been excited to see this video since you mentioned it in the last wandavision shit
Barely watching it hoped he goes on another brando rant
There is footage that Lester shot in the Donner cut.
Star Wars Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi are "Star Wars" everything else is fan fiction
Absolutely agree!
And only the original versions of those three not any of the rereleases with George Luca's stupid added nonsense.
@@58jharris Yep. A walking Jabba who gets his tail stepped on was so stupid.
I love that mason brings up the carrie fischer cgi in rise of Skywalker, and like 5 minutes later says he doesnt know anything about stat wars
There are subtle cuts in the "revenge in the diner" scene that apparently remove direct references to them having met before, but it's still a stupid scene to leave in: He's basically just picking a fight with someone who doesn't remember him!
Indeed or maybe do that scene before he turns back time? Tbh better explanation could be he wiped her mine with some alien device in the fortress of solitude rather than a kiss?
I remember watching all those movies back when I was a kid, and nothing you mentioned mattered to me. 😁
noticeable lack of Joker from Joker (2019), it’s a 0/10 won’t watch again
Normally, the Jor-El in the Fortress of Solitude is a perfect AI replica of him that also has the entire encyclopedic knowledge of Krypton. So he can be aware of others and communicate with them.
The dislikes are of people who love the Richard Lester theatrical version.
Not true.
Awesome video and sick editing Ben!
Glad you did this version too! Looking forward to that crazy hasselhoff nick fury!!
If the time reversal bit originally wasn't supposed to happen until the second film, then how could Lois have been alive in 2 when she died at the end of the first film?
Now you got me in the mood to watch it again! Thanks, guys. And don't hassle the Hoff, especially when he's playing Nick Fury!
I actually like the Richard Lester way, Lois finds out about Clark for a few reasons. Most importantly though, jumping out of a multi-story window in the middle of a work day, is too simply public. There is no way Lois would been able to return to work. She would have been carted off to a hospital for psychiatric evaluation, her career would have been over. At least when Lois jumps into Niagara Falls, Clark is the ONLY witness.