Clearly Jor-El liked playing with his Zoom settings when he was making recordings for the Fortress of Solitude. There were probably some bits Superman watched offscreen where Jor-El had an obviously fake sombrero on his head or his carefully curated study bookshelves were visible in the background.
Ben the editor really does an amazing job on these. It's one thing to put together coherent clips from the movie, but his ability to visually match their humor without drawing focus from flow the video is genuinely impressive. They are lucky to have him on board.
Maybe the ending should have been that the Kryptonian villains get de-powered as planned, but then are arrested (as in the TV cut or whatever) and sent to jail...where they break out and go on a gun-toting rampage as normal criminals!
@@KeithFraser82 they just join a low level street gang as muscle. There's a good amount of character like that in comics that are extremely op but oddly choose to work for a normal villain that they could easily take over from.
You might be thinking of one of the updated/special editions. For instance, originally Jabba the Hutt was a dude, then he was a muppet/animatronic, and then he was cgi. So can you say with any certainty that there isn't a version of Star Wars where Obi Wan is played by Alec Michael Christopher Lee Caine Guinness?
The biggest regret of these movies is firing Richard Donnor. I really believe he could’ve made one of the best film trilogies of all time as he cared so much about the character. It would’ve been a trilogy an actor like Christopher Reeve deserved.
I remember reading that Superman Returns was made to follow Superman II, is if III had never existed. Brandon Routh did a great job of capturing the essence of Chris Reeves' portrayal.
You are correct. Superman Returns was a direct sequel to Superman The Movie & Superman II in a world where Superman III and IV never existed. Superman Returns was the 3rd best Superman movie ever made behind I & II. Superman III and IV and the Caville Superman movies were all horrendous. I wish WB kept the ball rolling with Superman Returns, it was wonderful and brilliantly cast except for the actress who played Lois Lane. She was miscast badly. They should have tried harder to get a Margot Kidder’esq actress. Personally, I thought the actress who played Lex’s hencewoman in Superman Returns would have made a perfect Lois Lane. Forget what her name was.
Couldn't they all have been released as if the others didn't exist? They're not really cliffhanger ending movies with any continuity. Well I dunno maybe the ones after the Reeve movies are, I've never seen them and have no desire to.
Loved Brandon Routh, and also loved him as Kingdom Come Superman. But I HATED “Superman Returns”. I hated the story, and hated the Kryptonite scene. We need stories WITHOUT FRIGGIN’ KRYPTONITE as a plot element. Superman had the resources to either eliminate the fragments or up-armor himself against it.
Why is Donald Trump pretty and I am not? But why does he only have a wife but I have TWO HOT GIRLFRIENDS who I show off in my masterpiece YT videos? Do you know the answer, dear wre
Its a brilliant testament to Christopher Reeve's acting skills and dedication to the role that his version of Superman keeps this film fresh in the minds of popular culture. Special effects get dated, but he doesn't. Its still telling that all these years later, he'll be the one who all others who play the role have to measure up to.
Where is your heart, mate? The villain's is an evil witch and they fight in a abandoned amusement park. Even as a comic book movie starved child I could barely get through.
Then there are interesting cases like the 2017 JL, where Joss wasn't credited up until now. Until now, it said "a Zack Snyder film" which it wasn't, but I'm guessing WB was just trying to distance themselves with Snyder as they did with Burton and Donner in the past.
@@Nindroidgamer110 don’t think they ever credited Joss. He has screen writing credit. Doubt joss wanted credit for it also. It felt like they put zacks name in big letters at the start of the movie to try and pin it on him haha. Was great when Zack named his movie Zack Snyder’s Justice League… that was a real “up yours” to everyone involved in the theatrical hack job.
That bit at the end where James and Maso were talking about how Donner (the good Richard) regretted not being able to complete his version of the Superman movies honestly made me a little teary eyed.
I would assume it'd have been easier for Donner if they just never made Superman 2, because it's one thing to not be able to complete your vision, but it must be something else entirely to get like 80% done and then they bring in a hack with no vision to "finish" your work by basically destroying a good chunk of what is already done so he can get credit for it.
@@saturninhabitant not too sure they're that similar. Donner was a good director, Lester was not. Based on Man of Steel and Batman v. Superman, we kind of already know what Snyder is as a director of this material...and besides, not nearly as much film got reshot as some believe, most of Snyders film was used in the theater cut of he Justice League (although recolored). At this point we know what Snyder is as a director
@@99annanic It wasn't WB. It was the Salkinds who fired him. They were the ones who owned the film rights (they also mostly paid for the movie) with WB acting as distributor. The Salkinds were idiots who got lucky with Donner in the first movie. Had they had it their way, the first movie would have been as bad the the Lester cut of 2 and Superman 3.
@Stellvia Hoenheim huh? He was a shit bloke because of his disrespect for individuals around him. His activism was generally pretty great and i respect it, but that doesn't mean he wasn't an asshole lol.
And the Aussie boys nail it once more. What i love about you guys is that you have such a great blend of information and entertainment. You obviously do a ton of research, you present it succinctly and with the absolute bloody magic chemistry you lads have. The editing is top notch of course, and the delivery of info and imagery is spot on but the real x factor is your banter. I love the episodes I watch even when i know everything about the subject... How you present it makes it fresh and so worthwhile. Knocked it out the park again lads! Much respect and love from 🇮🇪
I’m so glad that CJ’s seemingly been drafted into the regular COG team, they’re fantastic. I could listen to you guys talk about Christopher Reeve superman all day, but I think it’s very nice to have everything condensed into a convenient bubble with snappy editing and visual aids as well.
I’m so glad you guys did this. I just watched the Donner cut and was conflicted; I loved the Lester cut, cause it’s what I grew up with. I really liked the Donner cut, but the reversing of time threw me off. I loved your thoughts of selective reversing of time, though. Hilarious...
Superman 2: Knocks a powerless Zod into the abyss, nobody bats an eye. Man of Steel: Snaps Zod's neck before he murders an entire family with his heat vision, everyone loses their minds!
Prior to the internet, almost nobody gave a sh*t about faithfulness to the comics. Batman, the guy who infamously doesn't kill, is an explicit murderer during the '89 film and it's sequel, and nobody really cared at the time. This is an unpopular opinion, but I kind of prefer that attitude, because adaptations should be different, and I don't care what they change, so long as it's a good movie. That's just my opinion.
I think it’s also like “Who cares?” when it comes to the older movies. Man of Steel was trying harder to be a lot more dour and serious and a decision like that (to kill the villain) is treated with a lot more weight. But it’s also not as well rationalised in the narrative, given that Man of Steel Superman isn’t really shown as someone with this conflict on if he should kill. I don’t think we got enough of him showing his love of earth and its people as a regular human.
I think the fact that he reversed time probably makes it better somehow. Don't get me wrong I love this film but I'd rather superman not kill. That's one of the reasons I hate mos but the killing isn't the worst thing about the characterisation in that film. But yeah superman reversing time kinda gives off a feeling of superman doing that because he new he could reverse it so it didn't matter at that point in time. But like I said I wouldn't have gone that way
I believe the police vans picking up the villains was in an airplane edit, implying that the Fortress of Solitudes location is known to the authorities and is close enough to a town or city that they can have vans out there in no time. That whole scene in the first movie where young Clark Kent seemed he was walking forever into bleak, snowy wilderness? He actually walked about half a mile then was like 'sod it (Zod it?), this will do.'
You mean black culture. And I'm sure folks working at marvel knew that half the Wu went by superhero aliases at times. Very common knowledge to ppl who work in entertainment or have lived in America the last 30 yrs.
@@burna2650 They've known for a while. Though the scene got deleted, Ghostface "Tony Starks" Killer was in Iron Man 1, a party inn Dubai I believe that he was hosting was the cover for Tony actually getting to the middle east so he could deploy to Gulmira for his very first mission. Though I will say that the Wu have transcended. I've ran into and seen a lot of white folks who love the Wu Tang Clan.
Donner himself has said that had he stayed on for the entire production he would have made a new ending for SuperMan 2 instead of reusing the "Reverse the Earth" ending.
@ProjektTaku They never got the chance to figure it out and work on developing it. The studio kept giving the Salkinds more money to finishe both 1 and 2 in exchange for growingly larger rights to the film, until the Salkinds had very little to offer in exchange. WB said let's put out what we have, and the ending of 2 was transposed to movie 1 just to complete the 1st movie, but when 1 was a huuuuuge hit with 13 weeks in the number one spot, the Salkinds fired Donner and many others QUIT because of that stupid and spiteful decision. Bill Mankiewitz who helped Donner rewrite the messy script for 1 and 2 that the Salkinds had done with Puzo and John and Leslie Newman (who are the ones that ruined Mario Puzo's script), was the one who quit first when Donner was fired. Donner and Mankiewitz had dreamed up the idea of Superman 3 being about Brainiac coming to earth. The Salkinds tried to steal those ideas to make 3, but they were too talentless and CHEAP, so they abandoned all of that when they couldn't make it work for the budget. Then we wound up with the SHITTY Superman 3 that we got, complete with cheap humor and no point to be made with a boring story.
Your post baffled, confused, & frightened me. I had to look it up & whoa....that's wild. Always fun finding random things like that. Having been Zod yelling his name for no reason, he would've been a great Palpatine.
James.. Mason.. for the love of God... do a CoG episode over Starship Troopers. I feel like I'm early enough to be noticed. Now notice me. I left a like....
The first one is so much fun. I don’t know if the others are any good(or so bad they’re good), but the first is worth a watch. Verhoeven’s satirical propaganda style is so great.
You guys won't probably read this but I've been watching your content for a while now and I just wanna say you guys are my favorite people discussing movies and shows just because you sound very passionate and enthusiastic in all of your videos which in turn make me very interested to know more about these topics. Love you guys!
Most of the Metropolis fight was filmed by Lester, but the Donner cut edits the footage to make it more tonally consistent. Apparently, Donner only filmed some cutaway shots of the fight (particularly the shots where Lois is reacting) before Lester was hired.
Not completely true. The statue of Liberty segment was Donner's, as was all the interior stuff with the three villains and Lex Luthor. The parts before and after the fight with Luthor and the villains were shot with Donner, and when The Stupidheads (The Salkinds) re-shot those scenes with Dickhead Lester, they changed the tone of the villains and some ADR dubbing was overplayed with the small bits that they DIDN'T re-film, and they added that stupid character Leueen that kept bantering with Lois about how the villains were winning the fight . Most of the outside fight stuff WAS Dickhead Lester and The Stupidheads though, so yes.
Zod's a sadist and an egotist. Why not use his heat vision on wide beam and microwave an entire city, or punch a tectonic plate and kill everyone at once with massive earthquakes? Because it's more fun to go slow, make his enemies realize they're helpless. He's the kind of guy who would keep a mental list of all the different ways he's killed people. I agree it is funny.
The way the laser eyes are depicted in this movie they are fairly slow to charge and fire, but they can take out vehicles and thick metal chains. Of course they work much better in the comics, but they were working with the technical limitations of the late 1970's movie special effects. The laser eyes as depicted in the movie are actually rather ineffective against fast moving but squishy humans. Not only is the M-16 just faster and better for killing unarmored humans, but it also pays off a scene earlier in the original cut, where the Kryptonians first pause their attack, and spend a few moments figuring out the basics about gunpowder weapons, after they arrive on Earth, and capture one of them. Of course, the Kryptonians, being a technologically advanced, space-faring race, they should know all about at least the concept of projectile weapons and how they work, so the scene makes no sense, but at least they paid it off in this cut, where they actually use that knowledge to their advantage, by using our own guns against us.
i remember reading interviews from Bryan SInger, and he said that Superman returns is more of a sequel to the Donner cut, which is what made me seek it out all those years ago.
Actually he never said that, he left it vague by saying it was a sequel to Superman II. The Donner Cut wasn't edited, finished, and in existence at that production point.
@@brucelaborin2124 I dont remember. I used to subscribe to an industry writing magazine at the time and that is where i remember reading the interview. My understanding is the scene existed and they were known, even if the cut wasn't complete. He also said he wrote Superman Returns in a weekend in that interview.
You two are the best. Thanks for this loving look at a film that should have been but never was. And also - thank you x1000 for explaining why both this cut and the first Superman ended with time travel. When I saw this cut I thought "So Donner ended BOTH movies with time travel?!" but your explanation makes more sense.
That was a great choice for soundtrack over James' speech about the good things. Kinda got teary eyed......and then comes the car bumper. Good work Ben
Smallville just great all around, imo has the best Kent parents. So far loving the pilot and 1st episode of superman & lois gonna be interesting to see supers kids the path they'll take.
I think both versions were good. The second version definitely feels more like the first movie. As a Superman fan it was worth watching and having in the collection.
My go to version is a fan edit (by Fran Garcia) linking the first two films together, the way Richard Donner originally intended. And Superman saved Lois too thus not reversing the planet and preventing the earthquake from happening. There's also an Intermission leading into SII in this edit.
There is a comic book run where Geoff Johns brought Richard Donner in to cowrite and they used the story Donner would have used for his version of Superman 3
I love the Donner cut. I just wish it was 100% complete. I especially liked the Brando footage. And the line the son becomes the father, the father the son.
The only good TV cut is the extended cut for the first movie, which was the first ABC edit, and any Salkinds/Lester cut of the second film, whether they add or subtract, SUCKS.
I am a new subber, and have been burning through the back catalog. I have been loving the coming of all the Superman movies(Spiderman/Superman are my fav comic characters) I know, I like my peanut butter on white bread.
All this Richard Lester hate. smh. Richard Lester is a great director. A Hard Days Night, Petulia, Robin and Marian, Three Musketeers and Four Musketeers, The Knack. He's made some great films. I wouldn't pass judgment on him just because of the Superman stuff.
The shoulders with the civilisation 6 theme made me laugh over a good portion of this video. Whatever you editor gets, they deserve more! Well done. Edit: smash bros got me too. I would like to emphasise my earlier point
Or better yet if the remaining reminants of the explosion merged and had the conscious of all the krypton people. call the character 'Reminants' and it could have conscious of Clark's mom and fucked with him
Dear Ben the Editor (and assistant). Love your work! I enjoy the little "but(t) ..." gnome that pops up from time to time, and I would love to see a similar thing happen once in a while when James or Maso says the word "wonder" (pronounced, by them, as "wandah"). Maybe Ms. Maximoff could pop up briefly once in a while? Keep up the great work! Greetings from Denmark.
So excited that the famous Guy Who Has Never Heard of Star Wars made a guest appearance with James and Mason this week. Weird that he only spoke when Star Wars was brought up, but either way it was nice to hear from him!
There are subtle cuts in the "revenge in the diner" scene that apparently remove direct references to them having met before, but it's still a stupid scene to leave in: He's basically just picking a fight with someone who doesn't remember him!
Indeed or maybe do that scene before he turns back time? Tbh better explanation could be he wiped her mine with some alien device in the fortress of solitude rather than a kiss?
Same. It really shows us why Superman loves this woman. She's so clever and out there, and even if it requires a bit of explanation as for how Superman couldn't tell it was fake (he didn't check because he didn't think she'd be lying, he didn't feel it because he probably never feels bullets unless he actively wants to, and perhaps he subconsciously wanted to finally come put to her), it genuinely puts a smile on my face to see Lois "gotcha" Superman.
@@jacobclark6002 absolutely agree! Also the moment when Clark becomes Superman is magically and every time I see it, I’m more convinced Christopher IS Superman
My mother was a huge fan of the christopher reeve films. I remember being taken to an airing of the donner cut (can't remember if it was shown in theaters or not, might just have been a small theater thing) and that kick-starting my love for superheroes
It's rumoured that people trying to watch Looney Tunes: Back in Action were instead treated to an early version of this movie.
That's bloody hilarious mate.
yo its Votesaxon07
Nice to see you here!
I unironically enjoy Looney Tunes Back in Action
Lol good one
Clearly Jor-El liked playing with his Zoom settings when he was making recordings for the Fortress of Solitude. There were probably some bits Superman watched offscreen where Jor-El had an obviously fake sombrero on his head or his carefully curated study bookshelves were visible in the background.
Ben the editor really does an amazing job on these. It's one thing to put together coherent clips from the movie, but his ability to visually match their humor without drawing focus from flow the video is genuinely impressive. They are lucky to have him on board.
So are we
He certainly is very talented.
Yes
I disagree. Most of it was good but the stupid memes was jarring.
General Zodd with that gun justified the entire recut of this film
Maybe the ending should have been that the Kryptonian villains get de-powered as planned, but then are arrested (as in the TV cut or whatever) and sent to jail...where they break out and go on a gun-toting rampage as normal criminals!
@@KeithFraser82 they just join a low level street gang as muscle. There's a good amount of character like that in comics that are extremely op but oddly choose to work for a normal villain that they could easily take over from.
@@llhaken then they start rising the ranks, gaining more and more power in the criminal underworld, slowly planting the seeds of krypton's survival.
@@ProjektTaku exactly!
But he don’t need a gun, he has laser vision!
“A lot of people getting in the way of these being much better than they should have been” that’s still happening today for DC characters.
yea WB just won't get rid of Zack Snyder
@@generalgeminii9901
WB got rid of him. At&t brought him back and rightly so.
@@integrity101 unfortunately
@@generalgeminii9901
No. It was beyond stupid to fire him in the first place.
@@integrity101 yeah, it WAS pretty stupid to hire him in the first place 😁👍
I would love a CoG of a Brando movie where yall just roast him.
🚨 bad bloke alert 🚨
@@PittsburghSonido bad bloke brando
Island of doctor monroue
Who?
They could do either Last Tango in Paris or Island of Dr. Moreau and just have at it.
14:24
the Bond movies from the 80's are FILL with Star Wars actors
by the way, the Lobot actor plays Blofeld on For Your Eyes Only
The actor who played the man with the golden gun in The Man With the Golden Gun, also played Obi Wan Kenobi. The more you know, and such.
@@cdubsoptional7849 I don't even know if that is a joke or not.
The same actor also played the lead role in both versions of Get Carter.
@@cdubsoptional7849 That actor is Sir Christopher Lee, and he played Scaramanga in James Bond and Count Dooku in Star Wars.
You might be thinking of one of the updated/special editions. For instance, originally Jabba the Hutt was a dude, then he was a muppet/animatronic, and then he was cgi. So can you say with any certainty that there isn't a version of Star Wars where Obi Wan is played by Alec Michael Christopher Lee Caine Guinness?
YOU MUST DO SUPERGIRL.
WE WILL HAVE THE SEVENTH. YOU MUST WATCH PETER O’TOOLE PHONE IN HIS ENTIRE PERFORMANCE.
@@mezzb nah, just shit.
UNITE THE SEVEN
True. The seventh must be witnessed
Peter otoole and the giant bug
@@mezzb Nick Cage is also a character actor. He is known for being one with his characters.
The biggest regret of these movies is firing Richard Donnor. I really believe he could’ve made one of the best film trilogies of all time as he cared so much about the character. It would’ve been a trilogy an actor like Christopher Reeve deserved.
yeah. The first one with lex, second with zod, and third with brainiac.
I will put it in my list of places to go when time travel is possible.
@@bennywark3103 same. I'm also gonna go to when superman returns was being made an add in bizarro as the main villain when time travel exists.
@@ProjektTakudidn’t they already made X-men 3? (The last stand)
@@UltimateNut yes but not how I would've liked, and we're talking about what we would do with time travel.
I remember reading that Superman Returns was made to follow Superman II, is if III had never existed. Brandon Routh did a great job of capturing the essence of Chris Reeves' portrayal.
I never understood the hate Brandon got. I loved that movie
You are correct. Superman Returns was a direct sequel to Superman The Movie & Superman II in a world where Superman III and IV never existed. Superman Returns was the 3rd best Superman movie ever made behind I & II. Superman III and IV and the Caville Superman movies were all horrendous. I wish WB kept the ball rolling with Superman Returns, it was wonderful and brilliantly cast except for the actress who played Lois Lane. She was miscast badly. They should have tried harder to get a Margot Kidder’esq actress. Personally, I thought the actress who played Lex’s hencewoman in Superman Returns would have made a perfect Lois Lane. Forget what her name was.
Couldn't they all have been released as if the others didn't exist? They're not really cliffhanger ending movies with any continuity. Well I dunno maybe the ones after the Reeve movies are, I've never seen them and have no desire to.
It follows the Theatrical cut of Superman 2.
Loved Brandon Routh, and also loved him as Kingdom Come Superman. But I HATED “Superman Returns”. I hated the story, and hated the Kryptonite scene. We need stories WITHOUT FRIGGIN’ KRYPTONITE as a plot element. Superman had the resources to either eliminate the fragments or up-armor himself against it.
Caravan Of Garbage continues to be awesome. Always an instant click.
Yes
Why is Donald Trump pretty and I am not? But why does he only have a wife but I have TWO HOT GIRLFRIENDS who I show off in my masterpiece YT videos? Do you know the answer, dear wre
@@AxxLAfriku what’s going on here
@@jeetywheety7008 I am also intrigued
@@zenithal666 same here, scared aswell though I bet this guy’s friends with marlon Brando
Ending it on a new version of Superman II so James could get in one more Bad Bloke Brando is the real time travel here
Its a brilliant testament to Christopher Reeve's acting skills and dedication to the role that his version of Superman keeps this film fresh in the minds of popular culture. Special effects get dated, but he doesn't. Its still telling that all these years later, he'll be the one who all others who play the role have to measure up to.
It’s not finished till you do the Supergirl movie. It’s part of this era of superman
That’s PC gone mad, mate.
Where is your heart, mate? The villain's is an evil witch and they fight in a abandoned amusement park. Even as a comic book movie starved child I could barely get through.
Just edit Brenda Vaccaro out of it. It’ll already be 50% better.
For Peter otoole alone
@@frambojan Supergirl’s actress is gorgeous tho.
I hereby plead a vote of no confidence in Chancelor Valorums leadership
@Stella Hohenheim padme said this i guess she is technically an alien but I wouldn't say gross looking haha
VOTE NOW! VOTE NOW!
Usually for a new director to have full billing as Director, they need to have shot 75% of a movie. Which is why I believe they reshot so much.
51*
Then there are interesting cases like the 2017 JL, where Joss wasn't credited up until now. Until now, it said "a Zack Snyder film" which it wasn't, but I'm guessing WB was just trying to distance themselves with Snyder as they did with Burton and Donner in the past.
@@evanbondurant9862 Its more..
@@kanukki84 Nah actually
@@Nindroidgamer110 don’t think they ever credited Joss. He has screen writing credit. Doubt joss wanted credit for it also. It felt like they put zacks name in big letters at the start of the movie to try and pin it on him haha. Was great when Zack named his movie Zack Snyder’s Justice League… that was a real “up yours” to everyone involved in the theatrical hack job.
That bit at the end where James and Maso were talking about how Donner (the good Richard) regretted not being able to complete his version of the Superman movies honestly made me a little teary eyed.
I would assume it'd have been easier for Donner if they just never made Superman 2, because it's one thing to not be able to complete your vision, but it must be something else entirely to get like 80% done and then they bring in a hack with no vision to "finish" your work by basically destroying a good chunk of what is already done so he can get credit for it.
Seriously tho, the worst thing Warner Brothers did was fire Richard Donnor.
@@andrewshandle And the history repeat again with Justice League and how they fired Snyder and brought Wheadon to make a piece of garbage.
@@saturninhabitant not too sure they're that similar. Donner was a good director, Lester was not. Based on Man of Steel and Batman v. Superman, we kind of already know what Snyder is as a director of this material...and besides, not nearly as much film got reshot as some believe, most of Snyders film was used in the theater cut of he Justice League (although recolored).
At this point we know what Snyder is as a director
@@99annanic It wasn't WB. It was the Salkinds who fired him. They were the ones who owned the film rights (they also mostly paid for the movie) with WB acting as distributor.
The Salkinds were idiots who got lucky with Donner in the first movie. Had they had it their way, the first movie would have been as bad the the Lester cut of 2 and Superman 3.
Love the subtle "Memory Lane" by Nas drop that Ben threw in when you said memory lane.... He's a beast of an editor
Your editors are much appreciated. They make these videos gold.
"we don't want to do supergirl yet as we can't face something that terrible for a while."
chooses to do the hasselhoff nick fury movie.
okay?
Petition for "guy who doesn't know anything about star wars" being in smash!
Can we have a Brando Slander segment on weekly planet going forward? Thanks
He was a bad bloke!!!
@Stellvia Hoenheim huh? He was a shit bloke because of his disrespect for individuals around him. His activism was generally pretty great and i respect it, but that doesn't mean he wasn't an asshole lol.
@@wuraolaolagunju Who'd have thought humans were complicated creatures
Maybe the real Donner were the Cuts we made along the way
Nice try, no though.
Deep, very deep
And the Aussie boys nail it once more. What i love about you guys is that you have such a great blend of information and entertainment. You obviously do a ton of research, you present it succinctly and with the absolute bloody magic chemistry you lads have.
The editing is top notch of course, and the delivery of info and imagery is spot on but the real x factor is your banter.
I love the episodes I watch even when i know everything about the subject... How you present it makes it fresh and so worthwhile.
Knocked it out the park again lads!
Much respect and love from 🇮🇪
I’m so glad that CJ’s seemingly been drafted into the regular COG team, they’re fantastic. I could listen to you guys talk about Christopher Reeve superman all day, but I think it’s very nice to have everything condensed into a convenient bubble with snappy editing and visual aids as well.
I’m so glad you guys did this. I just watched the Donner cut and was conflicted; I loved the Lester cut, cause it’s what I grew up with. I really liked the Donner cut, but the reversing of time threw me off. I loved your thoughts of selective reversing of time, though. Hilarious...
Superman 2: Knocks a powerless Zod into the abyss, nobody bats an eye.
Man of Steel: Snaps Zod's neck before he murders an entire family with his heat vision, everyone loses their minds!
Where "everyone" is just a lot of loud people on Twitter and YT. ;)
Prior to the internet, almost nobody gave a sh*t about faithfulness to the comics. Batman, the guy who infamously doesn't kill, is an explicit murderer during the '89 film and it's sequel, and nobody really cared at the time. This is an unpopular opinion, but I kind of prefer that attitude, because adaptations should be different, and I don't care what they change, so long as it's a good movie. That's just my opinion.
@@andrewshandle i mean... thats alot.
I think it’s also like “Who cares?” when it comes to the older movies.
Man of Steel was trying harder to be a lot more dour and serious and a decision like that (to kill the villain) is treated with a lot more weight. But it’s also not as well rationalised in the narrative, given that Man of Steel Superman isn’t really shown as someone with this conflict on if he should kill. I don’t think we got enough of him showing his love of earth and its people as a regular human.
I think the fact that he reversed time probably makes it better somehow. Don't get me wrong I love this film but I'd rather superman not kill. That's one of the reasons I hate mos but the killing isn't the worst thing about the characterisation in that film. But yeah superman reversing time kinda gives off a feeling of superman doing that because he new he could reverse it so it didn't matter at that point in time. But like I said I wouldn't have gone that way
R.I.P.
Dick Donner,
Tom Mankiewicz,
Margot Kidder and Christopher Reeve 😢
Thank you for the *_magic_* 🙏❤️
The editing is phenomenal, the Smash Bros "Man who doesn't know what Star wars is" joke broke me lmao
I heart Mr. Chinapen
You guys cure my depression. Long live James and Maso (and Ben!!) x
I believe the police vans picking up the villains was in an airplane edit, implying that the Fortress of Solitudes location is known to the authorities and is close enough to a town or city that they can have vans out there in no time. That whole scene in the first movie where young Clark Kent seemed he was walking forever into bleak, snowy wilderness? He actually walked about half a mile then was like 'sod it (Zod it?), this will do.'
No, it was the Arctic police. Get it right.
Instead of at The North Pole where it should be, it’s just 3 miles into the Alaskan wilderness, people trip over it all the time
Even as a child I remember the original cut of this movie to be inconsistent and confusing. Donner cut really gave me some closure on the whole thing.
There was nothing confusing about the theatrical cut of Superman II, some inconsistencies yes, but that happens in both versions.
Give Ben a raise! You guys are funny, but the editing is what makes it!
speaking of Method Man, he was in the Luke Cage series, I love how Marvel realised that Wu-Tang are a very important part of New York culture.
You mean black culture. And I'm sure folks working at marvel knew that half the Wu went by superhero aliases at times. Very common knowledge to ppl who work in entertainment or have lived in America the last 30 yrs.
@@burna2650 They've known for a while. Though the scene got deleted, Ghostface "Tony Starks" Killer was in Iron Man 1, a party inn Dubai I believe that he was hosting was the cover for Tony actually getting to the middle east so he could deploy to Gulmira for his very first mission. Though I will say that the Wu have transcended. I've ran into and seen a lot of white folks who love the Wu Tang Clan.
Donner himself has said that had he stayed on for the entire production he would have made a new ending for SuperMan 2 instead of reusing the "Reverse the Earth" ending.
what would've it been?
@ProjektTaku They never got the chance to figure it out and work on developing it. The studio kept giving the Salkinds more money to finishe both 1 and 2 in exchange for growingly larger rights to the film, until the Salkinds had very little to offer in exchange. WB said let's put out what we have, and the ending of 2 was transposed to movie 1 just to complete the 1st movie, but when 1 was a huuuuuge hit with 13 weeks in the number one spot, the Salkinds fired Donner and many others QUIT because of that stupid and spiteful decision. Bill Mankiewitz who helped Donner rewrite the messy script for 1 and 2 that the Salkinds had done with Puzo and John and Leslie Newman (who are the ones that ruined Mario Puzo's script), was the one who quit first when Donner was fired. Donner and Mankiewitz had dreamed up the idea of Superman 3 being about Brainiac coming to earth. The Salkinds tried to steal those ideas to make 3, but they were too talentless and CHEAP, so they abandoned all of that when they couldn't make it work for the budget. Then we wound up with the SHITTY Superman 3 that we got, complete with cheap humor and no point to be made with a boring story.
@ProjektTaku they never figure it out because Donner was kicked out whilst this one was in development.
I lost it at "correct" horse. Great editing as always!
Jesus Christ I just found out Zod is Valorum, years of lies, deception !
Your post baffled, confused, & frightened me. I had to look it up & whoa....that's wild.
Always fun finding random things like that. Having been Zod yelling his name for no reason, he would've been a great Palpatine.
Maximum betrayal!
James.. Mason.. for the love of God... do a CoG episode over Starship Troopers.
I feel like I'm early enough to be noticed. Now notice me. I left a like....
Agreed. Perfect fodder for the CoG treatment, and optional sequels, animateds.. etc
The first one is so much fun. I don’t know if the others are any good(or so bad they’re good), but the first is worth a watch. Verhoeven’s satirical propaganda style is so great.
@@darthmaul589 yep. That's what makes it ripe for the show. First is solid, but tons to poke fun at, and then it's a trash fire, so it fits.
@@Dan_d00d 100% agree. It feels like CoG was literally made for movies like Starship Troopers.
You guys won't probably read this but I've been watching your content for a while now and I just wanna say you guys are my favorite people discussing movies and shows just because you sound very passionate and enthusiastic in all of your videos which in turn make me very interested to know more about these topics. Love you guys!
Most of the Metropolis fight was filmed by Lester, but the Donner cut edits the footage to make it more tonally consistent. Apparently, Donner only filmed some cutaway shots of the fight (particularly the shots where Lois is reacting) before Lester was hired.
Not completely true. The statue of Liberty segment was Donner's, as was all the interior stuff with the three villains and Lex Luthor. The parts before and after the fight with Luthor and the villains were shot with Donner, and when The Stupidheads (The Salkinds) re-shot those scenes with Dickhead Lester, they changed the tone of the villains and some ADR dubbing was overplayed with the small bits that they DIDN'T re-film, and they added that stupid character Leueen that kept bantering with Lois about how the villains were winning the fight . Most of the outside fight stuff WAS Dickhead Lester and The Stupidheads though, so yes.
Watching Caravan of Garbage is such a blessing in between my lectures
There is footage that Lester shot in the Donner cut.
General Zod: can shoot lasers with his eyes
Picks up a gun and shoots people
Zod's a sadist and an egotist. Why not use his heat vision on wide beam and microwave an entire city, or punch a tectonic plate and kill everyone at once with massive earthquakes? Because it's more fun to go slow, make his enemies realize they're helpless. He's the kind of guy who would keep a mental list of all the different ways he's killed people.
I agree it is funny.
Just because I pack a mean punch doesn’t mean I want to punch things bare fisted all the time
@@whade62000 I don't disagree, but lazer eyes are more than a mean right hook haha
I pop bubbles in bubble paper, so what?
The way the laser eyes are depicted in this movie they are fairly slow to charge and fire, but they can take out vehicles and thick metal chains. Of course they work much better in the comics, but they were working with the technical limitations of the late 1970's movie special effects. The laser eyes as depicted in the movie are actually rather ineffective against fast moving but squishy humans. Not only is the M-16 just faster and better for killing unarmored humans, but it also pays off a scene earlier in the original cut, where the Kryptonians first pause their attack, and spend a few moments figuring out the basics about gunpowder weapons, after they arrive on Earth, and capture one of them. Of course, the Kryptonians, being a technologically advanced, space-faring race, they should know all about at least the concept of projectile weapons and how they work, so the scene makes no sense, but at least they paid it off in this cut, where they actually use that knowledge to their advantage, by using our own guns against us.
"The Donner Cut" is a cannibal cookbook
i remember reading interviews from Bryan SInger, and he said that Superman returns is more of a sequel to the Donner cut, which is what made me seek it out all those years ago.
Unpopular opinion . Superman returns was a good movie
Actually he never said that, he left it vague by saying it was a sequel to Superman II. The Donner Cut wasn't edited, finished, and in existence at that production point.
@@brucelaborin2124 I dont remember. I used to subscribe to an industry writing magazine at the time and that is where i remember reading the interview. My understanding is the scene existed and they were known, even if the cut wasn't complete. He also said he wrote Superman Returns in a weekend in that interview.
You two are the best. Thanks for this loving look at a film that should have been but never was.
And also - thank you x1000 for explaining why both this cut and the first Superman ended with time travel. When I saw this cut I thought "So Donner ended BOTH movies with time travel?!" but your explanation makes more sense.
10's kids: "TELL THAT TO ZOD'S SNAPPED NECK!"
80's kids: "TELL THAT TO ZOD'S CRYSTAL-IMPALED CORPSE!"
That was a great choice for soundtrack over James' speech about the good things. Kinda got teary eyed......and then comes the car bumper. Good work Ben
Would love to see them do a season/episode of Smallville. There's some good content there
Smallville just great all around, imo has the best Kent parents.
So far loving the pilot and 1st episode of superman & lois gonna be interesting to see supers kids the path they'll take.
Maybe the real Donner Cut was the friends we made along the way.
I think both versions were good. The second version definitely feels more like the first movie. As a Superman fan it was worth watching and having in the collection.
My go to version is a fan edit (by Fran Garcia) linking the first two films together, the way Richard Donner originally intended. And Superman saved Lois too thus not reversing the planet and preventing the earthquake from happening. There's also an Intermission leading into SII in this edit.
There is a comic book run where Geoff Johns brought Richard Donner in to cowrite and they used the story Donner would have used for his version of Superman 3
Really appreciate you legends going back to do this version!!! Good call!
Brando makes this movie what it is,even when he wasn't in it originally...
Ben really went all out with the music inserts on this video, really moving stuff lol
Ben, great job hammering the software war to edit this together.
no one quite hammers the software like ben
I love the Donner cut. I just wish it was 100% complete. I especially liked the Brando footage. And the line the son becomes the father, the father the son.
Kind of prefer the way Lois finds out. Shows that even though Superman can do all these things, he can be outsmarted by Lois.
I love you guys.. my morning routine is wake up, get coffee and turn on caravan of garbage .. the best youtube channel by far... 😁🥰
The Richard Donner cut is my favorite Superman movie.
I only watch the ABC cut from the 1980s.
@@MMAfighter38113 I've never seen that version.
Oh dear
@@robatkinson2125 what?
The only good TV cut is the extended cut for the first movie, which was the first ABC edit, and any Salkinds/Lester cut of the second film, whether they add or subtract, SUCKS.
I am a new subber, and have been burning through the back catalog. I have been loving the coming of all the Superman movies(Spiderman/Superman are my fav comic characters) I know, I like my peanut butter on white bread.
I could have went the rest of my life without being reminded of 'The island of Dr Moreau'
Never seen it. Is it that bad?
@@starsiegeplayer Not only is it *bad* but apparently there was alot of behind the scene things happening. Including deaths
All this Richard Lester hate. smh.
Richard Lester is a great director.
A Hard Days Night, Petulia, Robin and Marian, Three Musketeers and Four Musketeers, The Knack. He's made some great films. I wouldn't pass judgment on him just because of the Superman stuff.
Please can Smallville and Lois & Clark get the Caravan of Garbage treatment 🥸
Thank you for the kind words for this movie. A director's cut 25+ years later that vindicates Dick Donner entirely 🦸#verisimilitude
I want them to do island of dr Moreau just to hear them list all the production troubles now
I believe they went into full detail on one of the podcast episodes. Most troubled productions maybe?
@@trumanderee2366 that does sound a bit familiar
The shoulders with the civilisation 6 theme made me laugh over a good portion of this video. Whatever you editor gets, they deserve more! Well done.
Edit: smash bros got me too. I would like to emphasise my earlier point
Also had they not sacked Donner Superman 3 would have been different with the 3 villains in it.
I think the villain of superman 3 would've been brainiac.
Perfect i was just watching your other superman videos
I'd like an Aunty Donna cut of this movie
It's an incredible vision as to what Superman part Two was meant to be. Richard Donner forever!
It's so good that I cried.
Ironically, Superman is strong enough to survive an imploding planet. Imagine if the other Kryptonians survived but were just floating in space
Fortunately, given they were all dicks, they only had a red sun and lots of Kryptonite.
Or better yet if the remaining reminants of the explosion merged and had the conscious of all the krypton people. call the character 'Reminants' and it could have conscious of Clark's mom and fucked with him
For the last three weeks every time you guys have uploaded I was watching your videos
Goddamn Margot Kidder was an absolute fox back in the day.
I too was quite stunned by her in a bath towel.
@@Tannerj50 oh yes! And her legs in the promo photos of her in the blue blouse yum!
She looks really good in Amityville Horror.
🤮🤮🤮🤮
Richard Pryor thought so...
I remember watching all those movies back when I was a kid, and nothing you mentioned mattered to me. 😁
Richard Donner lives in his own space!
Dear Ben the Editor (and assistant). Love your work! I enjoy the little "but(t) ..." gnome that pops up from time to time, and I would love to see a similar thing happen once in a while when James or Maso says the word "wonder" (pronounced, by them, as "wandah"). Maybe Ms. Maximoff could pop up briefly once in a while?
Keep up the great work! Greetings from Denmark.
Have enjoyed all these Super reviews greatly!
Hash-tag: review SUPERGIRL as well
So excited that the famous Guy Who Has Never Heard of Star Wars made a guest appearance with James and Mason this week. Weird that he only spoke when Star Wars was brought up, but either way it was nice to hear from him!
the 4 unlikes are for zod, his two buddies, and lex
Perfect timing. Just finished watching the last one.
Can you please please do a caravan of garbage over “The Island of Dr. Moreau”
Glad you did this version too! Looking forward to that crazy hasselhoff nick fury!!
Superman doesn't reverse time, he alone travels back in time by flying faster than light 😉
Except he clearly reverses time In superman 1 because you literally see everything reverse and the planet spin In the wrong direction
The others slightly remember what happened so everyone went back
@@thewerewolff7248 Dick and Tom say he's going back alone. It was 1978, that's how they had to visualize it.
@@exzyyd392 deja vu
I love that mason brings up the carrie fischer cgi in rise of Skywalker, and like 5 minutes later says he doesnt know anything about stat wars
There are subtle cuts in the "revenge in the diner" scene that apparently remove direct references to them having met before, but it's still a stupid scene to leave in: He's basically just picking a fight with someone who doesn't remember him!
Indeed or maybe do that scene before he turns back time? Tbh better explanation could be he wiped her mine with some alien device in the fortress of solitude rather than a kiss?
Lmao I love how you added the Civ VI theme briefly
The Caravan of garbage look back at Superman 2: The bad bloke Brando cut.
Always great to have...a Superman you can believe in 👍
Shame James and Maso didn’t like the scene where Lois shoots Clark, I love that scene so much
If they had a final cut shot for use in the film it would have been better of course. But I like it's idea.
Me too, it shows off Lois' ingenuity, rather than Clark inexplicably trips and puts his hand in a fire.
@@morkofork oh god the hand in the fire was so dumb 😂. I like the gun miles better in every way even with the different cuts.
Same. It really shows us why Superman loves this woman. She's so clever and out there, and even if it requires a bit of explanation as for how Superman couldn't tell it was fake (he didn't check because he didn't think she'd be lying, he didn't feel it because he probably never feels bullets unless he actively wants to, and perhaps he subconsciously wanted to finally come put to her), it genuinely puts a smile on my face to see Lois "gotcha" Superman.
@@jacobclark6002 absolutely agree! Also the moment when Clark becomes Superman is magically and every time I see it, I’m more convinced Christopher IS Superman
Ahh yes Mr Sunday Movies. The only RUclips channel I have watched every week for the last 7 years. Great as always lads
Barely watching it hoped he goes on another brando rant
Ayoooooooo!!!!! Never saw the Richard Donner cut! Been excited to see this video since you mentioned it in the last wandavision shit
Star Wars Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi are "Star Wars" everything else is fan fiction
Absolutely agree!
And only the original versions of those three not any of the rereleases with George Luca's stupid added nonsense.
@@58jharris Yep. A walking Jabba who gets his tail stepped on was so stupid.
My mother was a huge fan of the christopher reeve films. I remember being taken to an airing of the donner cut (can't remember if it was shown in theaters or not, might just have been a small theater thing) and that kick-starting my love for superheroes
The dislikes are of people who love the Richard Lester theatrical version.
Not true.
6:44 "general zod with a fucking gun... LETS GOOOO" that shit genuinely made me lol .......
noticeable lack of Joker from Joker (2019), it’s a 0/10 won’t watch again
Wow. You guys actually went and did it. You. So. Rock.