Fallout 3 Is Better Than You Think
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- Опубликовано: 12 май 2018
- Fallout 3 is an utter classic that came out 10 years ago, and some rather unkind words have been said about it in that time. So I'd like to tell you just how good Fallout 3 is, and how parts of it might even be the best a Fallout game has ever been...
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Does anyone else think that stepping out of Doc Mitchell's house should be at night so you could see Vegas' glow immediately?
@@user-no3tu9kh3pIt is so maybe like replace the Cemetery with the Doc's House idk
You already see it in the intro.
@@sirmount2636Yes but it would then have a better chance to compare with the openings to Fallout 3 and 4
well i dunno every time i play it always seems to play out where i am picking the broc flowers in the cemetary at night or right when it is starting to get night.
I feel that. But fallout new vegas is such a different experience before you get to freeside and Vegas itself it's with the whole caravan card game and the Mojave express it's almost like that section of area has it's own culture systems.. Granted I wish it was waaay more flesh out
Hbomberguy: Fallout 3 is garbage (And here is why)
Many a true nerd: Fallout 3 Is Better Than You Think
When the 2 smart kids in class get different answer
Everyone becomes scared when that happens...
it's hiiiiigh noon...
Me as the observer: *Things are getting interesting...*
Civil war
When the 2 smart kids in class get it wrong...
The first time leaving the vault in Fallout 3 was a huge deal. This was the first time that the world of Fallout was depicted in 3D. And it was beautiful.
BUT NOT AS BEAUTIFULL AS ESO
Brotherhood of steel on ps2/xbox was actually the 1st 3D game
@@IINareik yEP
@@IINareik While technically true, it would be generous to say Fallout Brotherhood of Steel "was the first time that the world of Fallout was depicted in 3D". Fallout BoS was an extremely limited top-down level-based arcade game. Fallout 3 remains the first time the world of Fallout, true to its roots, was depicted in 3D.
@@NigerianCrusaderdid this dude just try to compare a mmo to a real game?
Playing fallout 3 as a child I would just replay the vault section over and over again but once I got to the door to the wasteland I reloaded a save and did it over again seeing how scared the guards were to follow me out there and having the door sealed behind actually made me feel fear of what was on the other side of that door.
Bro, I have such a similar experience it’s such a great memory that no other game is capable of making
I JUST DONT UNDERSTAND WHY THEY DONT LET U WALK TO CHINA IN FALLOUT 3
JUST USE RANDOM GENERAFION LIKE IN DAGGERFALL
@@NigerianCrusader
- would make the game barren, boring, and meaningless for a large portion of the distance
- would drastically increase the game size
- simply put, there is no reason to
@@moogandacasio BUT CHINA IS COOL AND THEY COULD HAVE MADE THE RANDOMLY GENERATION OUTSIDE OF THE CAPITAL WASTELAND SO THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GO TO CHINA CAN GO TO CHINA AND PEOPLE WHO DONT WANT TO DO RANDOM GENERATION CAN STAY IN THE CAPITAL WASTELAND
@@BareKnuckleBarry BUT DAGGERFALL AND ARENA DID RANDOM GENERATION AND THEY WERE MADE IN 1996 and 1994
Unpopular Opinion:
Both 3 and NV are good for different reasons.
I agree with this, BUT the things that make FNV good are what makes the Fallout series unique and special. FO3 is good because it does the Bethesda RPG sandbox-exploration formula well. It's weak in the narrative sense.
NV had good dialogue
NV would be better if it wasn't riddled with bugs upon release. I hope Obsidian fixes its engine one day and re-releases it, because I think it would do well.
Ones in a city one is in a dessert
@@KidaMilo89 It's bethesda's engine.
Random event: I walked out to the Super-Duper mart for the quest as as I see the building, I see a sudden nuclear cloud appear. Once I get there, I find the corpses of a rad roach right beside the corpse of a raider with a fat-man.
I walked out and there was a giant bone white scorpion
I screamed and ran
I often get a Deathclaw, either a dead one or a game over.
First time I played Fallout 3 on PC, I saw a severely injured Deathclaw and lost my shit thinking I was gonna die.
🤣🤣🤣
@@Mariodash23 YOU CAN PLAY IT ON oh wait you said first time so it's probably on something that worked.
Fallout 3 was my introduction to open world games (I was about 12 so my parents were slowly starting to let me play violent games) and it became quickly my most favorite game of all time, I still to this day can't find a game that gives me the same feeling the first time playing fallout 3 gave me
ESO EXISTS
@咕噜 yeah no one wants to play that if your trying to relive memories of fo3
Oblivion and fallout 3 were super similar in feeling although totally different settings. But ya, fallout 3 was special.
@@boxyboy1527 ESO IS AWESOME
@@estogaza5827 OBLIVION WAS AWESOME
The whole "you can't kill children" argument is mostly due to a change of time and priorities. Even at the time of fallout 1's release, international versions patched children out all together to avoid the whole child killing dynamic. When fallout eventually came to digital markets via steam and gog, the censored European versions were specifically used. Therefore the only readily available versions of the original fallout have no killable children either. Killable children just isn't something 99% of game devs want to deal with, even New Vegas didn't tackle it.
It is a misdirection in the video. The actual criticism is that Little Lamplight is obligatory for the main story, and you are arbritrarily denied your main tool for progressing the game.
Bethesda chose to make the part mandatory, put an obnoxious character at the gate and broke immersion by having the place solely populated by immortal and invincible individuals.
I call them immortal as narratively the children have lived there for two centuries.
If the entire area was a hidden discoverable area, and optional, it would interesting and unique.
As it stands it is one of the many parts of the central plot that the immersion is utterly broken.
The part was unfortunately very infuriating.
As someone who mostly play as an explosive expert. I wanted to blow the whole cave into the ground.
that wimpsy wooden door shouldn't hold to my fatman bombardment.
Is it really that big of an issue?
Oh no, poor you can't continue a main quest while also killing people when you feel like!
@Duchess_Van_Hoof ...They literally haven't lived there for 2 centuries? Where the hell did you get THAT idea from?
@@Duchess_Van_Hoofyou can skip the opening to little lamplight with the child at heart perk
I wish I forgot everything about Fallout 3 and New Vegas so I can both replay them all over again. They both have a special place in my heart.
Remember your mother’s favorite passage?
Silent_Stalker Is it big iron on his hip?
Vegas, is like nostalgia and just perfect content happy nights in a tin for me.
U are a good man love u no homo
@@silent_stalker3687" Life is a game, and games have winners and losers"?
i was playing fallout 3 the other day, and i overheard two mutants talking to eachother. i was sneaking because i wanted to hear them continue since it was unheard dialogue to me. one mutant said "i was thinking. and it hurt! it hurt my head! but i remember things... from before. i think i knew a woman... or maybe i was a woman? it hurts!" and the second mutant kind of shut him down and said "ha ha! you talk a lot! it sound funny when you talk! like a stupid human! hahahaha!" and it made me kinda feel bad for them :/
I remember that!
That and several other dialogue is just about the only thing humanizing them.
I've heard that dialog! And atm I didn't have a clue about the lore of the whole FO franchise (I started to play the FO3 blind) so I was confused af that are these humans or what are these things 😳 Now I know the lore so I can see your sadness in that situation.
I remember hearing it at the Germantown Police Headquarters
Yup. Shallow, this game is not. Man, Fallout 3 was fun, my first fallout game.
One thing i always loved from Fo3 is the way you can approach problems from unconventional ways. "Escape from Paradise" has you rescuing the little lamp brats, but one wants to stay behind, Penny who wants you to rescue Rory. When you and Rory have to make it to the exit, you have two options; kill all the slavers or tell Rory to run and hope he doesn't die in the process, which he likely will. However if your skill is high enough you can pick pocket all the slavers' weapons including the minigun from the sentry over the platform (also don't forget the unique pool stick, unarmed slavers will try to use it) once everyone is disarmed you can reverse pick-pocket Rory that very same minigun. When you tell him to make a break for it, all the slavers are going to run towards him with their bare fists, while he uses the minigun. He is going to kill all the slavers in his way and you won't get good karma or lose standing with them. It's basically Butch 2.0 in which you empower an NPC so he can save himself, the game never telegraphs to you this, it is an option you have however because it counts on you being crafty.
Holy shit, that's genius
It's not exclusive to Fallout 3, that's all Bethesda games.
Lol. Never thought to do the quest _that_ way. Might give it a go. 😅
@@thegamerfe8751I've never really experienced something of the sort in Skyrim
I don't know if this is a glitch but even when I release the prisoners and give them weapons and healing items they don't use the weapons or the healing and just die
I know there isn't a real benefit to rescuing them besides role play
But I'd like to have that memory of awesome things I've done regardless of whether they're useful or not
Can do that in any mission where someone gets involved in combat at some point. But it's fun yea
The more I play Fallout 3 and the more I learn about it and other people's opinions of it, the more convinced I become that people who complain about Fallout 3 are generally people who just rushed to complete the main quest without ever engaging with the rest of the game.
Fallout 3 was almost universally praised as an RPG masterpiece when it first came out, with only a small minority of purists bickering about it. When New Vegas first came out pretty much everyone saw it as a standalone expansion of the same great game and both were held in high regard. 2007-11 was the golden age of Fallout. To this day I still don't know what the hell happened to the community; We used to be something beautiful.
@@zapcatzach hindsight is always 20/20. The legacy of a game can change as new editions are made and as the landscape changed. I don’t think fallout 3 is horrible or not worth playing, I just had to approach it a certain way to enjoy it, because I went into it expecting it to have as strong a story and be as strong an rpg as fallout nv had and was, as I played that one first. I was very disappointed with how watered down the story was, how inconsequential your decisions felt, how garbage the ending was, and how stupid the morality system is. Now New Vegas wasn’t perfect either but it’s a proper RPG with some AMAZING characters and a story with endings that over a decade later people are STILL debating. Obsidian really knocked it out of the park, in a way that Bethesda hasn’t really been able too with their entries.
Ive played the fuck out of it. It's decent. About as good as tactics.
@@zapcatzach you're stupid.
@@Notimportant253 new vegas? Strong rpg and story?
The fuck are you smoking?
Did anyone else realize that if you eat the sweet roll immediately, you get a new speech option for Butch?
I've never known this
Just Jordan I didn’t either, I just ate it really quick and figured this out, he doesn’t attack you and you get some new dialogue from the girl(don’t remember her name at the moment) if I remember correctly
@@kirbs7136 amata is her name
@@kirbs7136 what does he say
I just realized this in my latest play through. Maybe it's missed a lot because you need to eat it before the cake is ruined and Butch comes to talk to you. It seems like one of the better resolutions actually.
I like pickpocketing power armor into children’s inventory and making them wear it...
Tiny power armor!
God-tier comment.
Patrick Mitchell as long as it’s higher level than what they are wearing, they will put it on. You may have to reload the cell by leaving and returning.
Too many Sims 3 model stretching nightmares for me to be even slightly interested in trying this ;-)
putpocketing*
SLAYER76 exactly!
I loved fallout 3s introduction to the wasteland. It reminded me of coming out of the sewers on Oblivion.
I thought 3 was better than 4 , 4 felt more like a chore, I rushed to beat it by the end. For 3 I had fun reading every letter on every typewriter.
I wonder if this is what it looked like to argue between Protestantism and Catholicism 500 years ago.
I doubt those arguments were as intense as those in the fallout community
@@bakingbad2992 def
Fallout fans talk about specifics in the quests
Doubt most people knew the bible as much as fallout fans know every single line of script
Well they literally killed each other, so sadly no.
500 years ago? Try Northern Ireland or Rangers vs Celtic
@@Renovartio well, the Catholics started it....
I don’t understand why there are so many people who think you can only enjoy EITHER Fallout 3 or New Vegas. They’re both great games.
You can enjoy whatever you want. But only Fallout NV is a great game while 3 ranks between mediocre and bad.
@@rileymccreanor6492 That I indeed am.
I don't particularly like Fallout 3, honestly pretty weird to be so invested that you have to hate it
fallout nv is the best fallout without a doubt but 3 comes in a close 2nd for me
@@nigelpisswater484 lol no, play 2
Context is hugely important when starting a game. In NV you arent a vault dweller who grew up in a vault and had no way of knowing what any of the major factions are. Therefore, after your encounter with benny...why would it make sense to get a history lesson from a nearby town as if this is your first time learning of the NCR...or Ceasar's legion...or the wasteland. I can believe there is some expectation of knowing the context of the world you occupy, given that it is your LITERAL JOB to navigate as a courier beforehand. Unless they go with "they were hit with amnesia"
Being hit with amnesia because someone had to dig a chunk of lead out of your brain seems believable enough to me.
@@Stray7but that also doesn't work because there are dialogues for the courier to mention New Reno and Boneyard, so they should know all of this already
Well you don't have to choose those dialogue choice. If you think it doesn't make sense for your Courier to ask about the Factions, then don't do it
Fallout 3: I love for the exploration
Fallout NV: For the diverse characters
Fallout 4: for the weapon customization and ease of modification for even more weapon customization (and maybe outfit mods)
For me, my love of Fallout 4 is for the settlements. I've been playing it since it came out and I STILL haven't completely the primary main story (although I have done all the DLCs) because I love building up settlements. And then I get a new idea for how to build the settlement so I start a new game.
Unrelated: *But can we talk about how useless the Chinese pistol was?*
Maybe that was the point of it, like a joke about chinese products
@@Hrodric Idk... the best assault rifle in the game is the Xian-Long Chinese AK.
Bothered me so much I literally made a mod for myself to buff the piece of garbage to be use able.
@@Snoogen11 aks are Russian
@@anon-bo4hg Not in fallout.
Shoot children and they don't die?
Sounds like a job for myth busters
@@chaosvader3516 lol
High calibre. Fully automatic. This is a job for a fiddy.
This this is gold
Beat my children
I meant to say bear my children but this also works
The best thing about fallout 3 is the ability to just pick a direction and just wander. Go see what's happening in that village you can see in the distance or what loot can be had from that empty looking campsite nv is a great story with some great outcomes but if you're bored with the story you can't just turn left (or right) and see what's out there like you can in fallout 3
You cant? Why? Your mum told you that she wont tolerate wanderkmg in nv?
@jakubdzejkob9989 you can. There's just a lot out there in nv, as the video says there aren't many rewards for going out exploring.
@@jakubdzejkob9989 i always felt nv's world was really bland and empty, so no, i can't just divorce myself from the story and make my own fun like in fo3. you might find new vegas' empty world really compelling, and that's all well and good. but its clear that bethesda actually put some emphasis on exploration and visual storytelling, and its equally clear that obsidian was mostly concerned with verbal storytelling
It's so nice seeing everyone else talk about their experiences with fallout 3 in the comments. Fallout 3 was my first fallout experience and i was 11-12 when i played it. The moment that sticks with me the most is my first run to super-duper for Moira, seeing the market with bodies hanging from the street lights and even inside on the ceiling made me feel uneasy. The way Fallout 3 made me actually feel terrified of my surroundings makes me love this game. Currently replaying for the first time in 7 years and I'm absolutely loving it.
I've gone on to play Fallout 4, and 76(at launch 💀)and a little bit of Fallout 1. I own all the main games on steam and plan on playing New Vegas after I finish 3 and it's dlc
I remember the first time I did the Tenpenny tower quest, helping the Ghouls and then coming back to find all the humans dead, I was so mad because of how much i went out of my way to help them only for them to do go ahead and kill 'em all anyways that I wound up killing all the ghouls, its one of those things in Fallout 3 that still sticks with me.
look at the bright side, free housing.
I understand. I played it out the same way but on the other hand i blew up megaton before that. So yea no regrets.
I did the same, and I could've forgiven all, until I found Herbert Daring Dashwood among the dead, now I just ignore the ghouls
@@Rangerbubbareid Same, Dashwoods dead now everyone must pay.
Weird thing is I think the quest must of glitched on my first play through because I kept coming back and everyone was living there peacefully with the residents making comments about the new neighbours... I wish I could of repeated the bug because if was funny as hell watching them all living in Tenpenny Towers
@@DW133_ yes, but the ghouls kill all the human residences anyway
Almost 2 hours long
Doesn't have Adds
Im very proud of this community
Ha oxhorn ruined the community
@@user-uf8de5cw7x oxhorn would have adds every 3 mins lol
Ari Marino *ads uwu :)
I am autistic oxhorn makes amazing videos though and the ads help him since he makes money whenever someone watches an ad. It’s his job you can’t be mad at him for making money for spending hours and hours a day making videos
@@SunBro_Talos yes your right but you dont need to put 50 ads in a 10 minute video
FNV is my favorite Fallout game, no question, but I love F3 as well. I have no patience for people who put down F3.
Thank you. This is rhe comment i needed for my sanity
Those people aren't worth the effort. If they think New Vegas is great while Fallout 3 is terrible there's just something wrong with their brains. The game's are too similar to each other for only one of them to be considered good while the other isn't. Makes no sense to me.
Same. And New Vegas wouldnt exist if it wasnt for Fallout 3. 3 was an integral part of its creation.
Well, then I hope you don't necessarily feel the same way about Fallout 4 and Starfield, especially if they do so for _good_ reasons.
@@TheBreakingBenny I was totally unimpressed with Fallout 4. I felt no connection with the game, and found it vastly inferior to either F3 or FNV. I'm not into space games, so it is unlikely that I will ever play Starfield.
The point about the trickery used to give the DC ruins a better sense of scale really explains a lot. My memory of wandering the ruins when I was a kid so many years ago feels a lot bigger than it actually is upon revisiting while actively thinking about it
Yeah I prefer DC to New Vegas because the Super Mutants of DC provide a much more tangible impediment than the 2000 caps requirement of NV.
It's my bedtime but I can't stop watching this video. You owe me one bedtime.
I was confused when I saw your name, thought "nah this isn't THE Dan Bull" but then I clicked on your name and boom, it is the Dan Bull... Love many of your video game raps, keep it up :)
Dan Bull Same will be extremely tired tomorrow
Wait what? Dan? What are you doing here? xD
Dan Bull I think it's cool that you watch Jon. I think he's one of the most underrated gaming youtubers. He deserves more subs .
Only one bedtime, I figured most MATN fans would be in the hundreds by now!
Many A True Nerd: *makes 2 hour video with no ads*
Literally everyone: *_not the hero we deserved, but the hero we needed_*
True
He never puts ads on his vids
Highwayman
Shut the fuck up.
Johnny Flannigan that’s why I said not the hero we deserved
"Is mass murder okay if the targets are slavers?"
Uhh yeah dude.
It is harm prevention, just like killing Enclave soldiers or predatorial beasts.
It's not murder if they're not innocent.
hes being very charitable to slavers just to justify his video game opinions
& you're being very naive to justify yours... They are human beings trying to survive in a decimated world where nothing makes sense anymore. Their reality isn't pretty. Sorry it's a touchy subject for you, but the real world isn't all sunshine & roses. You not agreeing with them doesn't mean mass murder is necessarily right. Get over it.
@bigjawline9235 You're being very naive to justify yours... You're also really cherry-picking here considering all of the other amazing examples given... It still isn't objectively right to wipe them out, regardless of their crimes. Life is rarely that black & white. You not agreeing with them doesn't mean they should be wiped out. They are broken people living in an obliterated world. Some are going to turn to pretry dark things in order to survive. Some may be forced into it based on their circumstances. There always has to be someone like you though. You're just upset that he made a lot of really good points that go against the bandwagon you've hopped on. Try to form your own opinions, it makes life a lot better. Fallout 3 is a fantastic game.
Todd Howard is my sworn nemesis for making me wait so long between fallout games
You know what? First time I played this, I didn't realise Megaton was a place. I saw a robot next to a scrap pile and stayed the hell away.
Found the hollow rock first time, though.
I love reminiscing about my noob playthroughs, my first run through fo4 I stopped for a while because I couldn't find the railroad
I just kept lone wandering around the abandoned town just outside of Megaton, searching every single house on the street as much as humanly possible to find someone, it was also the GOTY edition and I had a pretty poor understanding of the map marker and ended up wandering so far off the course I needed to complete Mothership Zeta at level Five, which was a gosh-darned nightmare of difficult hallway fuckery. It was also when I realized how green the wasteland was and how this place wasn't.
Then I come back and find what I thought was a town but it turned out to be the even more difficult goddamn Deathclaw-ridden Deathtrap known as Old Oney. The rest of the game became such a breeze after diving in head-first like that, I remember doing that main quest when the brotherhood guy freaks out and screams "BEHEMOTH!!!" But I honestly didn't notice, I was so levelled up from my blunders I already killed two other Behemoths.
And FO4 I thought I did such a great job with the customization system but then the lighting situation immediately changed and my character looked like one of the vampires from Salem's Lot so I recklessly abandoned the search for my missing son, never went near my old hometown and ran straight for diamond city, completely unarmed, because I heard they had a plastic surgeon there. I also never bothered going for Piper's interview, my first companion ended up being Strong, it was also ridiculously difficult scaling that tower with all of the blood bags in it only to find this giant angry Shakespearean booger who hates nearly everything I do. But I became a cannibal and we quickly ascended to being best friends, he routinely told me *"YOU GOOD LEADER!!!"* whenever I ate a group of raiders.
And New Vegas: I tried to make it to the strip from my grave where I could see it, and I was tag-teamed by giant scorpions, I became more obsessed with revenge-killing them than Benny, also I had sex with Benny.
@@basedbattledroid3507 the best comment i read in a long time, thanks for a good laugh pal
@@vhs1984 thanks man!
@@basedbattledroid3507 Going straight to the strip early in the game.
The fastest way to find trouble in New Vegas.
...And welcome to Jon's no-breathing marathon.
I defiantly wouldn't want to have to wright the script for this 2 hour video, however I assume he just wrote down some general points and eleborated on them.
Seeing as how you can't spell anything at all, I would not want you writing scripts either, Walking Stash.
Shamino Warhen, I do have minor dyslexia by the way, but I get it, my inability to spell gets no end of jokes from my mates anyway lol
Exotic Bat, I honestley thought Tuesday was spelt Teusday (The e and the u the wrong way around) until I was thirteen and someone pointed it out to me. I have to use autocorrect for half of the words I type because my spelling is just so bad lol.
Honudes Gai
RUclips*
I know what you're thinking, this fucker has no friends! Well, that's incorrect because my friends are the guys at the bar at Chernobyl, all of my 22 fingers, 5 toes, and 15 arms are my friends. Took me a few years to live in Chernobyl, drink radiation waste everyday, and eat nutritious bugs to get this sexy body I have acquired.
I have never understood the obsession with realism in games it takes away far more than it ever gives, gaming worlds can be so much more than the real world
THIS! SPEAK IT WAYYYY LOUDER FOR THE GTA IV FANBOYS
Yeah that's why I didn't like the atmosphere of fallout 4 and Skyrim.
Grounded ones, then? Mothership Zeta confirms that aliens exist, whereas in Fallout 1 and 2 that was just special encounters for some inside jokes.
Imagine trying to claim Fallout and/or Star Wars "has never been grounded"… couldn't be me. it's an immediate forfeit if someone said Star Wars "was always silly because an imperial stormtrooper bumped his head."
Realism doesn't necessarily mean real to this reality. It's more along the lines of "Does this make sense or not?". Most of the time, no, it does not make sense.
That's certainly what I want from games. I want every single piece of lore to make sense to the game world or not be in the game world.
This was my favorite game in middle school and still probably is
"It's ghouls, I tell ya. Religious ghouls in rockets looking for a land to call their own."
It is, a side quest in fallout new vegas
@@aircoolbro21scndling49 Hello Captain Obvious! lol
Don't you laugh at me. I know a spell that will make you show your true form. Cave rat taught it to me
Commie ghosts
@@aircoolbro21scndling49 it's actually just radio commentary
Fallout 3 was my intro to Fallout so it holds a special place in my heart, none of the other games ever captured that fun time of just running from place to place listening to the radio.
Congratulations. You just played a post apocalyptic jogging simulator. That's not fallout.
Ooh edgy, find a nice lady to make an honest boy outta you. 🥳
valeria262 same
soggie Opinions are like assholes
@@valeria262 how the hell is that "edgy"? nonsensical reply
I remember I once played fallout 3 for so long that I pinched a nerve in my back and couldn't walk for hours afterward.
I couldn't go back to Fallout 3 after New Vegas....even Fallout 4 lacks the feeling of New Vegas.
Fallout 3 is one of the defining games of my early teen years. My first fallout game. Spent probably at least 300 hours on it
Ime Prezime same bro. Once I was done with oblivion I heard about this game being made by the same company and the rest is history..
@@LensToHorizon it was the opposite for me. Played 3 first, blew my fucking head for hundreds of hours, then found out the same company made games like this, except fantasy themed? I was so fucking there. These very my first open world role playing games and the scope was just mind boggling to me at the time.
@@wind2536 Same, fallout 3 was my first Bethesda game then I played oblivion a couple years later. Fallout 3 will always be my favorite game. Maybe it's because I was a kid but no other game has brought me the feeling of sheer joy that fallout 3 did.
Me too. I actually couldn't get into it the first time but then I came back a few months later and that's when I started to love it.
i got FO3 a month or so after it came out and have played it consistently since. my last playthrough was 100 hours last year. its easily my favorite game of all time
*I still vividly remember those feels when I first left 101 and saw the apocalyptic wasteland on the big screen*
Yea I remember feeling a bit scared not really knowing where to go or what kind of danger would be out there.
Same here; man. It’s definitely one of the most vivid images in my memories of gaming.
It's indescribable. I was 13, had no idea what the game was about and got amazed by it.
I actually remember running into my first Super Mutant in 3 as a kid. It was amazing
@@allrez4157 same I was 13 too honestly to me it will always be my most treasured gaming moment
One of my fondest memories from FO3 was being in the wasteland, picking a map marker, and just going for it.
Dude i love this guy lmao hes right FNV fans act like they have to hate fo3
That would be why he gets a lot of subscribers, since the general audience thinks Fallout is about some kind of Naked Gun world that is more interested in everyone shooting each other.
Maybe Fallout 3 just isn't as good as anyone recalls.
@@TheBreakingBenny maybe you're just a bit salty? Can't let other people enjoy something? And when people rebut your arguments with their criticism of new vegas you just say they are wrong without any explanation
Go cope and seethe under that idiot hbomberguys fo3 video. You're anti fun opinion might actually be welcome there
1:41:22 ‘Lets be massive nerds for a second’. Jon, we’ve been watching a full review of the Lore of Fallout. I think you’re preaching to the converted
@Andre Lucas Fun Fact: New Vegas was much buggier than Fallout 3 at launch due to the limited development time.
zetabyte 27 at launch? It still is xD. It’s only playable on pc due to stabilizers and what not. Camp McCarran, red Rock Canyon, and Freeside will cause you a ton of trouble later on in your save once you’re past 8000Kb, and it’s so much worse on console. Though New Vegas didn’t have many game breaking bugs like Fo3. I remember getting stuck in the Bridge part on the Mothership Zeta dlc because the little girl bugged out in one of the vents and never came back :(
@@FecalMatador At least it's playable on console. I tried to fix my Steam version if NV, a complete nightmare of a project it turns out. It felt like for every bug I potentially fixed, two more were added. That game straight up HATES my PC. In fact every Bethesda game ( yes I know NV was Obsidian but it's basically Bethesda considering the assets and time frame they were given) I try to play on PC is straight up broken even upon a fresg install. In skyrim the water physics have taken over and randomly make my character swim when running on land or in buildings. Unfixable as far as I can tell. In Fallout 4 there's a large number of visual bugs and random crashing you just don't get on console nearly as often. Fallout NV would hard crash upon nearly every autosave or transition to areas.
I have a decent PC at that. Can run Witcher 3 on full settings with mods, Skyrim was the same but for some reason it stopped working even after disabling all mods and fresh install.
Fallout NV is by far the buggiest of the series, but it also has the best excuse for its flaws and at that IF I COULD FIX IT I WOULD and I'd play the ever living fuck out of it again on PC. But until I buy a new PC or they magically fix those issues NV, and other bethesda like titles are dead to me on PC. They're just TOO broken to enjoy.
NV and 3 played fine for me on xbox 360
Best comment!
I remember playing FO3 for the first time without knowing anything about it. Had the biggest holy shit moment leaving the vault and realizing the scale. Immediately hooked.
i could not even play it because it takes mods to launch without crashing
same here, i got it on ps3 and i bought it cause the outside cover of the game looked cool, and well, its a really really good memory, cant really remember so many distinctive parts of the game, but what i remember good is the rich guys tower filled with undead, the shiskebab sword, the cave with fucking kids treathening me with weapons and that first city that had a nuke in the center. today i have ps5 and i can play f3 on playstationnow, which basicly is gamepass but for playstation
I went to the local gamestop to buy a ps3 and they had a full size cardboard display of someone in power armor and I thought it looked cool. I knew nothing of fallout. I had no idea what an open world was. I started playing it and thought it was "interesting" as a 1st person rpg but like you, when I stepped out of 101 and started walking around I was hooked. I had taken a 5 year break from games and as I stumbled upon springvale and megaton I was blown away. If they released dlc for fallout 3 I'd buy it until they stop.
@SwissCheeze Gaming sadly ,they dont make em like they used to.
I wish someone came up from behind and gave me a lobotomy right at that moment so I'd always be in that awe
It's so refreshing to hear someone talk about the good things Fallout 3 did.
I'm one of those people who's first Fallout was 3. I 100%ed the game and all it's dlc multiple times over and loved every minute of it but when it came to trying out Fallout New Vegas, I personally disliked it "by comparison". I've never been able to quite put it into words why, but that whole section about the grandiose moments/locations in fo3 really nailed one of my main grievances. I always just used to say that I thought foNV was bland, but what I really meant is there are very few locations that genuinely feel "important" or "special" or "awesome". New Vegas itself was pretty, but so so small, Hoover Dam felt grandiose but outside of a couple other spots, everything felt like everything else, so bland I can barely remember any of them. Meanwhile I remember so much of fo3 so fondly because there was variety and spectacle in so many of the spaces.
tl;dr fo3 > nv imo (especially in terms of it's world and "spectacle")
It's a wasteland. It's supposed to be mundane and barren for the most part. The focus is instead dedicated to the tensions between various characters and factions, and also freedom in how the play chooses to interact with those elements. This is what New Vegas excels in.
While I agree nv excels in it's character interactivity, games still benefit greatly from visually stimulating and unique settings. Fallout 3, despite also being a wasteland, managed to be varied and interesting visually so it's not impossible to make a wasteland that way.
In my personal opinion, nv was just too bland looking for my taste (I mean, I still played right through it, it's still a great game, I just preferred 3)
@@Rorius I think it depends on the mood the game is going for. If the game is trying to sell you a destroyed world filled with death, war and tension, then proceeds to fill said world with visually stunning locations that impress the player, that would be antithetical to the premise of the game.
In Fallout's case, the world is barren because there realistically would not be that many impressive vistas left after the world has been annihilated and it's remaining inhabitants are making due with scraps. You may not prefer it, but thematically it makes complete sense and in this case, the game benefits from not going that route.
And as for Fallout 3, Bethesda's locations may be impressive on surface level, but if you think about the logistics of them for 2 minutes, you will realize a lot make little to no sense within the context of the world.
Just my 2 cents, lol. You're free to prefer fo3 I just enjoy discussing these things
When it comes to videogames, there's a balance developers have to make between realism/purely logical reasoning, and spectacle/game-feel/fun. Ultimately when I play games, I appreciate games that don't focus too heavily on realism when its at the cost of fun.
An example of this I always use is my enjoyment of the driving in gta4 vs saints row 3.
gta4 decided to try emulate reality and make the driving feel heavy and realistic and I hated it (a sentiment shared by most from what I've heard). Conversely, sr3 went for pure control and the driving was super satisfying and fun.
And to be fair, fallout was never really all that realistic? This is the game series with the aliens and the elvis gang and the flesh monster fused with a computer who you can convince to end their tyrany with just words.
Sorry, I don't mean to rant, I get a little carried away discussing these kinds of things as well heheh
But yea, it's all subjective in the end
If you sneak past the first guard while he's busy with the roaches, he will have dialogue talking to himself and then he will go to butch and refuse to help him and tell butch to go back to his room. Whether or not you helped butch will affect his reply when the guard asks if butch saw you anywhere. All that content from sneaking when normally most people would engage the guard immediately within seconds after talking to amata.
Fallout 3 is a classic.
I really liked Fallout 3 but one of the biggest problems I had with the game other than a low level cap was that unique weapons looked EXACTLY the same as normal ones.
honestly!!!! boils my fucking blood! so lazy holy shit. did they not want to make fun variants????
@@colerichardson20 the Xuanlong Assault Rifle is a darker color and has a bigger magazine.
For me the biggest problem was random crashes on the main story that I have to get to. For example at the satellite station on the mobile base crawler
Except for Lincoln's golden repeater rifle.
Oblivion had the same issue from what I heard as well as Skyrim.
All this is just a waste of time. The greatest Fallout game will always be Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel.
Finally! Someone with vision who can see the clearest, superior game
Based
Your hands. Give them to me.
nah fallout the board game cuh
FACTS
I cant remember when in the video its mentioned, but in the beginning of fallout New Vegas, it explains everything because realistically you would have known that info before being shot anyways
You really wouldn't, though. The courier travles all over. He/she isn't necessarily from New Vegas. They were simply tasked with going there. You aren't going to know the ins & outs of every single place you are sent to. Even if the courier did know, they just suffered a head injury. There are many ways they could have gotten around such an exposition dump. It's lazy story telling through & through. I get that it may be your preferred game, but that doesn't mean it's without flaws. This is coming from someone who loves New Vegas. It would have been significantly more impactful to show us rather than tell us.
Man, I just love rewatching this RUclips Epic every once in a while.
I love when enemies start infighting in games. It really helps the world feel more alive, the idea that you aren't the center of everything, and not everyone is out to get you.
Manawolfman Thats why Life (the game where in now) is one of the best games you'll play
Life has shit gameplay and characters tbh there's even a bug where you can't respawn
It has decent graphics I guess but that's it
WhiteKnight I didn't have the 'University' dlc either so my education is shit :/ ah well at least I still have an xbox360 with Fallout 3 goty 😂
@@enzodriver the Life tutorial goes for at least 12 years- more if you want to have starting perks.
"But then is mass murder ok if the targets are slavers"
As someone who wiped out Caesar's fort repeatedly: Yes
"It's not mass genocide if they're cringe."
- Son Zoo, the Art of Vore
Or Democrats...they're literally new-wave Nazis.
Ave
@@theseus0467 Is it mass genocide to wipe out a faction that considers me beneath them for BEING?
@@reallyhertv4566 The Enclave isn't cringe
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Replaying this game for the first time since childhood. Having an absolute blast with it, was really surprised when watching this vid that people have a problem with it??? Guess you'll never satisfy gamers. Anyway thank for a great vid and companion piece to my playthrough
It's just New Vegas fanboys who get their feelings hurt when people enjoy any other game
I relate so much to going down a dark corridor and seeing the silhouette of a super mutant and being so scared as a kid I had a save at the beginning of that same tunnel for a few weeks
ha ha, stupid human
I hear a song by _the ink spots_ I am compelled to play another 100 hrs of fallout 3...
I never thought it was a bad game; I liked it a lot. But damn, now I want to play it again.
Same lol
Too bad the Bethesda online hate train is trying to convince everyone that Bethesda was never good. Even though Obsidian has never produced a game on par with Bethesda's best works, Obsidiots will find some way to nitpick and bullshit about how New Vegas is a God-tier game and that anything with Bethesda's name on it is irredeemable garbage. It's even funnier when Obsidiots praise New Vegas for being a better role playing game when it's actually a worse role playing game due to how they ruined skill checks.
@@comicsans1689 never? Outer world's? Tyranny? Pillars of Eternity? I loved old Bethesda, but they had quite a few shit games too. Yes the Elder Scrolls and Fallout 3 were good, but Obsidian has consistently put out amazing games since they began.
@ScorchedCrow95
>Outer Worlds
Garbage, just mediocre garbage. The writing is subpar for an Obsidian game (especially since they replaced Chris Avellone with even more liberal and pretentious writers), the characters and their designs are terrible, and the promise of deep role playing was not fulfilled. The only reason anyone liked the game is due to the Bethesda hate train and the fact that the RPG market is so shallow that people will accept sub-par games. The Outer Worlds clearly needed more development time, a recurring them with just about every game Obsidian has ever made.
>Tyranny
I've actually played a little bit of it when it was free one weekend on Steam, and it seemed interesting in its premise. I would need to play more of it before passing a final judgement.
>Pillars of Eternity
I haven't played it, but it looks alright.
@@comicsans1689 I cannot agree at all about Outer Worlds. Not one bit. It was exactly what I wanted when I bought it, and nearly everyone else agrees.
For me, the FO3 experience will never be the same without is also being on the PS3. I love playing on PC, but when I first played fallout, it was on a PS3 in a dimly lit basement, and something about the combination of the PS3's UI, sounds, the feeling of the controller, (and that basement setting too), made the experience so much more memorable for me. Anyone else?
I’m from the DC metro area. I live near the real location of Germantown and have spent my life taking the metro into DC. I work in Alexandria which is near Annandale… the immersion I got playing FO3 will never be topped
Fallout 3 is awesome. So many good memories playing it.
Patrolling the comment section almost makes me wish for a nuclear winter.
Kaiser Wilhelm II no u
Hear hear.
Aidan Short stolen
it was borrowed lad. learn what stolen means.
wtf
This video fills me with so much nostalgia. Super Duper Mart. Fire Ants. The Super Behemoth fight with the BOS. The radio. It brings tears to my eyes.
I'll never forget that time I got attacked by mirelurks. Used my last shotgun shell and ran. I was frantically trying every door, desperate for an escape. Finally found a door that opened. I was safe!
Imagine the sheer whiplash I felt when it turned out to be Dukov's Place.
Leaving the vault gave me the same feeling leaving that dungeon in Oblivion did. "Ah where to go now...?"
True Nerd: "Is a man's life worth the freedom of multiple children?"
Me: *"I mass murdered the town"*
@@silent_stalker3687 It's like you are trying to find any excuse not to gun down slavers.
Do you think that if new slavers tried to move in and heard about how every slaver was killed... They'd just be like oh cool what a great place to start selling slaves?
@@silent_stalker3687 Not only are you advocating for slavery, but your logic is incredibly flawed.
@@brian.phillips1985 Slavery = bad. Truly the mind of a open minded individual free of the ideals of society.
The logic isn't flawed. History is not linear. I can say with 100% certainty that slavery will exist outside of Africa again in the future. The roman empire was one of the largest driving forces of civilization in the world. They were slavers.
@@jasonhymes3382 Half of what you even said doesn't correlate with your point.
"Is mass murder ok if the targets are slavers?"
Y e s
Yeah this video is odd lmao. I either agree with him or minorly disagree. I dont my stance on 3 has been changed, its always been Eh alrightish. Still good video tho
Edit: Further into the video now, yeah disaree with everything he has to say about the legate lmao. That was a great boss and interaction and he may have been brutal, he was still smart and thus knows when not to advance. But still, good review.
No. Those people are scum and deserve justice, but no one deserves to die, no one deserves that. It's not up to us to pass that judgement anyway. Us killing them for their crimes is essentially us passing judgement on tuem, and it shouldn't be up to us. Even if you want to kill them, it isn't one t place to pass judgement. I don't know who is qualified to pass said judgement, but it certainly isn't us.
@@michaelgillespie9112 fucking nonsense in the wasteland there are not such things, in our real world we are afraid to do things that the law forbid us for bad and good reasons, of course my character joined them and bombed Megaton too because i find it realistic because its more beneficial for me lol
@@TheGoldenMan888 I understand not everyone will agree with me. I'm just saying what I believe is right. In a world like Fallout, my way of thinking will get me killed, I know that, but lucky for me, I'm not in the world of Fallout. I'm in a world were I'm privileged enough to be allowed to think this way. My way of thinking would never work in a world like Fallout, but this ISN'T Fallout.
You fail to remember who we play as, we are the main character, nothing in the significant wasteland happens unless we're involved.
This was not only my first fallout game but also the first game i got for the ps3 and it absolutely blew my mind being 12 years old at the time. Fallout 3 will always be in my top ten games. Absolute masterpiece!
Except the ending was so bad they need to replace it
Well, the previous games in the Fallout series, despite their old age in graphical terms, are much more action-packed, events and options for the development of these events compared to Fallout 3. Therefore, I would say that this game is definitely not bad, but not just as good as you imagine.
After 27 minutes I want to play Fallout 3
I'm probably the only person on earth that enjoyed the DC metro system.
Nothing like crawling through dark tunnels hearing the footsteps of wandering Ghouls.
@@darkmammoth2232 I mean... it's basically the whole Metro trilogy right there, and I can't say it turned out that badly :)
I like how it actually feels like the metro. I would know, I live in fallout 3 irl.
I enjoyed it.
Your not the only one.
Hunting Rifles: *exist
Super Mutants: i'Le TaKe YoUr EnTiRe StOcK
more like every enemy out there.
Why did I think that in a Super Mutant voice..?
Super Mutant: *its free real estate*
@HCE_ Henri only if all the guns in fallout 4 weren't left handed.
@HCE_ Henri Hunting rifle was a monster in New Vegas too lol
I've played both New Vegas writing is amazing... I'm 35 and I still enjoyed it like it was my first rpg
I totally forgot the ending. What I remember is the 3 months I spent joyfully romping and roaming around, the intense action, the sense of discovery and adventure... FNV and Skyrim also got the atmosphere right.
Holy god I never knew that Arkansas was a good guy. Now I feel infinitely bad for killing him every play through.
That's the thing tho, is he? He tries to kill you because he thinks you just might be a slaver, hes probably killed a lot of slavers, but hes probably also killed a bunch of innocent people just trying to get by too. So, what's the right decision? That's the reason fallout 3 is good.
@Conn Benn exactly, so is he a good person? He shoots strangers in sight on the chance that they are bad people.
@Conn Benn I mean, it does say in the game guide that his goal is to kill slavers but he attacks you just because he thinks you are one, not a lot of nuance there, especially if they said it outright.
One of the escaped slaves mention Arkansas being an escaped slave
@@APlayfulLittleBlend Yes very good complex choice, "kill someone trying to kill me or not kill someone trying to kill me" very sophisticated.
My youtube recommendations be like :
Fallout 3 is bad and here’s why!
Fallout 3 wasn’t that bad
Fallout NV the best
Fallout 4 did some things better than NV
Confusion
welcome to the work of 10 years.
is this progress? no.
is this why god is going to kill us all? probably.
did you leave your stove on? I don't know, I don't live with you.
It's called "different people having different opinions".
"Fallout fans are THE WOOOORST."
-A Fallout fan
It’s hard to appreciate NV when you know how much of the game was cut. 3 feels like a much more complete game
@@jebalitabb8228 the game was actually scraped a little over 15 years ago most of the script and storyboard was already made which is why it took em 18 months to complete most of it.
Great video, after watching I installed Tale of Two wastelands and replayed fallout 3, and sense watching this video ive noticed several of the points you've referenced that i glanced over in the past
Holy shit, this video is almost five years old. Time has become near-meaningless.
The first time you step out of the vault in FO3 and your eyes adjust to the sunlight, there is just nothing like it. The intro is long, but every minute of it is pure gold.
For the first few times when you explore all the options. Then it's almost an hour of agony.
@@theblancmange1265 Yeah, you need to make a save file right before the exit, when you can reconsider all the attributes
No its not the intro is annoying
Legit the same thing happens when u leave Doc Mitchells house. Not fanboying.
Also in FO4 just saying…
Fallout arguments somed up in one sentence:
Do you like Green or Orange?
I wanted orange. It gave me lemon-lime.
@@avalonjustin I wanted green, it gave me acute radiation poisoning
Hehehe peasants,I made both huds *blue*
Bright orange. Not that dull sand yellow of new Vegas. I changed my hud in 4 to be bright orange
Not gonna lie, that resume everything very good.
FO3 was the first fallout for me and I adored it at the time, then played NV and was blown away and still am. I go back to FO3 and am blown away at how devastated the country is and how simple it is with way fewer guns etc, (I mean as much as I enjoyed using the shotgun it's design made no sense with the drum mag so far forward but whatever.) It really gives a desolation feeling. First time I went towards the Springvale high school and saw the body's hanging from hooks or dead in the cages it gave me chills, which I imagine it would for any vault dweller heading to the surface for the first time. Both are superb games!
Just realized if you let Caesar die you admit that he was right in that sometimes short term suffering is worth it for long term stability.
it's disheartening when your game is used to tear down another game" -tim cain
@Kelley Bozeman can someone tell me why he has a reputation. Did I miss something?
@@marcoe.3314
H.Bomberguy made a really video talking about how bad Fallout 3 was and compared it to Fallout New Vegas a lot. And jumping from New Vegas to 3, I kinda see why he’s mad about the shift in quality.
@TheKillSwitch
I forgot which game he compared it to, it’s been 4 years since I saw that vid. Sorry.
Your opinion then. I’m currently playing NV and so far, I think the game is really good. I’m at the endgame quests and I’m currently doing the DLCs. Honestly I’ve also played FO3 and the opening intro was completely unnecessary, it’s like teaching someone who is playing video games for the first time, that’s not love and care. New Vegas throws you straight into it. It’s your opinion, though, I can’t change that.
@TheKillSwitch You’re making Fallout 1 & 2 look bad with this elitist neckbeard shit.
And before you call me a fanboy, I don’t really like FO3 that much.
I am stopping this video, I'm sorry but I am ten minutes in and I just can't stand it anymore.
I'm going to go play fallout 3 again.
@Maximilian Bien Will any water do?
@Maximilian Bien Kind of choosy for a thirsty guy.
@@ryphish4924 im looking to play 3 and NV this week
@@bambi.nisseni 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
I just started the game about a week ago. Fucking loving it so far. I started it once long ago on the PC but never got very far.
I could write a huge response to this video, but I'll summarise my viewing experience using one word: TRUUEEEE!
Wait 'til you spot all of the dirty tricks Jon pulls here in order to make Fallout 3 seem like it's the best thing since sliced bread! If you're among those that would defend this game's flaws to the death, I can only express my sympathies.
@@TheBreakingBenny looks its the guy who can't let people enjoy something he doesn't like
@@kieranhurst8543 The only thing I've done is explaining what holds the game back, and Jon shitting on _New Vegas_ in order to make _3_ seem way better.
Otherwise Jon should've made a video on why New Vegas isn't as good as we believe.
@@TheBreakingBenny big baby can't take someone talking about the very obvious flaws in their favorite game.
Wah wah
@@kieranhurst8543 You have a problem with what I've said here? You deserve better than having grown up with FO3, if you ask me.
9:20 I was introduced to fallout 3 by my cousin a few years after it’s release, just around the time NV was due, he loaned me the disc and I still remember my first time leaving the vault
Remember kids, whether you prefer Fallout New Vegas™ or Fallout 3™ we can all agree to keep buying Fallout™ merchandise from you nearest licensed seller! As an independant game consumer, I love repping Fallout™ hoodies and t shirts!
Na, I think he's on the level. I mean he said he's an independent game consumer so he's gotta be legit.
Scruggs the clown - Hello, my name Rodd Croward Esq. from Croward and Associates Law Center. I am Hodd's lawyer. Me and my client have decided to file a defamation lawsuit if you do not stop spreading these slanderous accusations that something is awry.
Todd we don't want your merch or games. Go away Todd. No one wants your game
Hodd Toward 🤔
Thats not Todd Howard, its clearly Hodd Toward. Are you blind?
I prefer Vegas but anyone who says 3 doesn’t have choice is stupid
That was my only problem with the New Vegas elitists. Pretending NV is perfect while 3 is just a shooter
@@infinityhand6569 I'm not a NV elitist (in entirety). I greatly prefer NV to 3 because Bethesda definitely did drop the ball in many places with Fallout 3. There are constant examples where choices should be available but are not, just as there are in 4.
There's an interesting Phenomenon here that MATN is trying to address (I'm writing this comment at the beginning of the video as I'm not sure I'll have time to watch all 2 hours right away). I'm a huge fan of Command and Conquer. I enjoyed Command and Conquer Generals, though I found it lacking in the story/substance that the previous games had. Generals by all means was a GREAT game, however it was a very poor *Command and Conquer*. I see this as the same case with Fallout 3.
It by no means fails to deliver as a good game, but has many shortcomins as a *Fallout* game. I imagine that MATN made this video as a response to a video by HBomberGuy called "Fallout 3 sucks and here's why" which leveled very very many (and very legitimate) criticisms against Fallout 3.
I promptly and firmly disagree with the notion that Fallout 3 was the "best" (Quoted from this video's description) in any sense of the Fallout Series. But I also will not stand for the idea that it was a worthless game, that it brought nothing to the series, that to hate it is mandatory. These games need to be given a proper review that shows them in more than one context. Unfortunately, some people tend to forget that Context is important when trying to give something an *objective* review or perspective.
@@Dallows65 Lol you'll never catch me denying a single one of Fallout 3's shortcomings and flaws. My only issue was people denying the problems and shortcomings of New Vegas OR just them shitting on Fallout 3 for things that they gave NV a pass for. My biggest issue with Fallout 3 was how damn streamlined the main story is, giving you absolutely no meaningful choices whatsoever. Thank god the side quests and exploration were top notch. Ironically I felt New Vegas had the exact opposite problem. A great and very interactive main narrative with a ton of control, but the exploration was heavily restrictive the first 1/3 of the game and there were like 2 good dungeons, etc. Both are excellent games and I think New Vegas is objectively better, but 3 does plenty of things as good as if not better than New Vegas did
@@infinityhand6569 UPdating because I watched part of the video before going to bed. Yeah it's about what I expected. MATN brings up some valid points that a lot of people genuinely just glass over. On either side though I recommend watching Hbomberguy's vid.
I'm of the camp that the "Fallout 3 has no choice" argument is retarded, for sure. Always have been. I'll still prefer NV's Depth though.
@@Dallows65 New Vegas had superior choices and dialogue in the main narrative while Fallout 3 had superior freedom of exploration and side quests imo. Imagine if they actually combined the best of both in Fallout 4...if only
"Is mass murder okay if the targets are slavers?"
Yes.
it especially is if the slavers and slaves don't even do anything productive, or to even pass the time. They just exist for us players to do some kind of heroic deed. If the slavers and slaves DID in fact do something productive that allows the Capital Wasteland to keep going, such as growing food, then it throws a gigantic wrench into the idea of shooting slavers on sight.
As in: Do we allow these slaves to keep going because they provide nourishment for the post-nuclear world of Maryland, Washington DC, even all the way to Pennsylvania... or do we do a massive disservice for the sake of human life's freedom?
@@TheBreakingBenny Yes. They're slavers. Kill them and take over their food production.
@@thatradiogeek Thus, the former slaves don't have to fear much of anything!
I loved both....but simple minds dont look at the big picture and thats most of humanity whether they want to accpet it or not.
Fallout 3 had this crazy vibe that the others can’t replicate. A certain creepiness and loneliness about the capital wasteland. My first game on the 360! Sparked the biggest love for a franchise
How is it more crazy than where people are literally tribal or where the ost alone is foreboding?
Felt too much like the bombs dropped only years in Fallout 3, where its been 200 and some years.
This is so damn right dude, the metros especially were creepy af!!
Aliekexie The atmosphere man. DC was a depressing wasteland, you can nuke a city, paradise falls, the Pitt, Point look out, even just green color filter made it feel so much more apocalyptic than the other Fallouts. I agree New Vegas is better, but New Vegas is much more civilized, and just doesn’t have that same feeling. They tried it with Dead money, but Dead money was anything but good
T-Pose Kek yesss the green color filter! Definitely added to the atmosphere
Exiting the vault in Fallout 3 was legit an iconic gaming moment. Seeing it is like a direct shot of nostalgia.
that moment you step out into the sun, your eyes adjust, and you survey your surroundings, and say to yourself ugh i instantly regret my decision, this world is fucking horrible. but that's what makes 3 a great game. the grim desolate world, that is struggling just to stay alive. where most people leave because of how dangerous it is. i love it.
and honestly i know people hate the green filter, i love it. it makes the world feel more grim.
I got chills
@@emilydavis9548 i like new vegas and 4, but as nerd said. those 2 games feel like people are rebuilding, 3 feels like people can't because of how terrible the dc wasteland is.
i swear when you go back to vault 101 for one last time for the side quest idek how to explain it but you know what im talking about. i got cucked by Amata
The overseer cockblocked me when he knows I wouldve been knee deep into those cheeks
i come back to this every so often, just to see some positivity with fallout 3.
great game
I love fallout 3 and fallout new Vegas equally. Both give me different play throughs and scenarios
I was stunned by the scene where you leave the vault and are blinded by the light. It felt like being IN the game for me.
F:NV does the exact same thing when you step out of doc michells house.
@@starvoyager2094 but you tend to remember the first time you had a specific experience more vividly. I found bullet time in Matrix boring since I already had that experience from Requiem using "warp time".
@@starvoyager2094 also it was not nearly as amazing cause in fo3 you see a large portion of the map including the captiol building, sprinvale, the broken bridge.
You were totally wrapped up like a deuce another runner in the nigh
Many a True Nerd: *discusses all the ways to get into Paradise Falls*
Me who just used my minigun to make it rain: Yeah totally
Used a combat shotty for some Hail
im american and I think new vegas should he remastered
I didn’t even know there was peaceful way to get the slaves out I always just murdered the slavers
there’s a peaceful way to get the slaves out of paradise falls?
*loads almost 700 rounds into every slaver*
nah, I’m just going to keep killing the slavers anyway
For some reason I always used Hunting Rifle in that game, as much as possible.
49:50 I have a feeling the legate was meant to be kinda like Frank Harrigan -type character, but ultimately his appearances were cut out along with the other legion stuff.
"is mass murder justified if it's against slavers" I would like to reference case law of one Union v Confederates
I think the argument about New Vegas using roads so often as safer passageways vs Fallout 3's roads often being the most dangerous makes sense given the state of each area in the lore.
The New Vegas area by that time is a place with many settlements all connected by roads, and there are constantly caravans and couriers traveling these paths to make deliveries and sell goods to the settlements, to the point where there's actually companies employing these professions specifically. These people are typically well armed and/or escorted by bodyguards, and that makes them hard targets for any typical raider or fiend group to take out for their supplies, or even for most creatures of the wastes. On top of that, since caravans have the backing of a hugely influential entity backed by the NCR like the Crimson Caravan Company, it makes sense that the CCC would invest in ensuring their trade routes are secure and their employees aren't in any really serious danger, plus the NCR also actively makes efforts to ensure their people are safe from any major uncontained threats as well.
There's also what makes the roads dangerous in 3 to consider. That would primarily be Super Mutants, slavers, and the Enclave later on.
Since in New Vegas Super Mutants are all either holed up in Black Mountain or Jacobstown (all of whom are non-violent anyways), that's no longer a real issue.
The Enclave got wiped out in 3 and is now effectively down to only 4 members, none of which even really want to continue fighting the Brotherhood or the people anyways, so that's also no longer an issue.
As for the slavers, by the time of New Vegas in the eastern region, Caesar's Legion is basically the only form of slavers left. It's likely the NCR made sure that any major slave operation was taken out, since I doubt they'd let that happen considering how vital all their citizens are to supplying them with necessary resources.
Odds are no one will see or read this whole thing, but it's a thought I had that I wanted to share anyways.
Fr tho this is the most logical out look
One thing to note is that Caesars' lands are actually better for traders than the NCRs. Caesars has basically wiped out or assimilated all the tribes in his area. Couple that with how brutal he is to his enemies and the raiders have left for easier targets, namely the NCR.There's even a trader in his camp that says he would rather trade in Caesars' land and they're fine as long as you respect their beliefs.
The NCR has over extended and we constantly hear about it during New Vegas' playthrough. The Brahman Barons have a vice grip on the government and have forced the majority of their military to defend their farms. Its why caravan companies are so reliant on hired guns to protect their cargo. While there aren't a huge amount of enemies on the roads in New Vegas you can find quite a few fiends camps on the road all the way up to the strip.
@Spawn
Why would I get flamed by NV fanboys? I'm actively defending the game from a criticism by pointing out the differences in settings.
But yeah, I really don't get why the community tends to divide itself into one of two camps of "Bethesda bad" or "Bethesda good" and expect that to be everyone's standard. I really like certain aspects of all the games and go to each for specific reasons. I say just let people like what they like.
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That's true, but a few fiend and raider gangs/camps dotted around the map near the roads is still leagues safer than most of the other regions of the American wastelands otherwise at least.
Can’t believe I’m reading all this at 2:12am and I got work tm but that shit kinda interesting😂
"It's evil to kill Harold with fire." Proceedes to burn him with a flame thrower.
Plays the ring of fire as he dies
SC43 7 to be fair it does burn burn burn the ring of fire
to be fair, that was from his "kill everything" run so it kinda had to be done! i highly recommend it by the way. the "kill everything" run, not the murder by burning just to be clear!
i think you kinda proved his point tho, because even tho it's an evil thing to do, you have the choice to do it. and i find that funny how so many players say 3 has no choice, but you literally have numores ways to deal with harold.
"Man, It's so stupid you get the option to blow up Megaton, it's so cartoonishly evil, who in It's right mind would want to do it"
*same guy*
"Why can't I murder children in this game?
The stupidity is there are no choices in the game with nuances. Killing kids is for a purely evil playthrough. You should have both nuanced choices, such as a reason why someone would reasonably want to blow up megaton, as well as the freedom in gameplay to do what you want
Nuance is difficult so its fine if u dont understand
@@Nrchy13 In a different comment you literally said Fallout 3 is and objectively bad lmfao talking about the complexities of nuance you FNV jerkers seriously think you're more intelligent then you really are
That's not what he said. He wants to know why Bethesda created a scenario in which one the players main options is completely removed. Not heavily discouraged, removed.
If Bethesda didn't want you to commit violence against children then they should have designed a different encounter.
@@ffffdsd Wait so if you can't kill children they just shouldn't be in the game?
Fallout 3 doesn't get upset by the idea that a player might miss something interesting. Bethesda RPGs in general are like that, and I like that. After a playthrough of New Vegas I felt like I had seen most of what it had for me. But after playing 3 I felt like there was still more I could have found. Which really works for me.
Fortunately there is a mod that lets me play both together. So I can get the advantages of each.
Yeah basically everything of note in new vegas is seen in major locations, black mt, the mojave outpost, the strip, etc. in fallout 3 you can just as easily walk in some random direction and end up inadvertently finding a unique weapon or bobblehead.