but then we wouldn't have the truly gripping scene of batman chasing joker up a massive flight of stairs for like 5 minutes that would probably have been better to give the story a bit of a better conclusion.
This movie was lightning in a bottle, because it was something no one had ever seen before. Now, dark comic book movies are a dime a dozen. But then? It felt revolutionary, in the way Star Wars did for space movies.
@@moonknight4053 Probably because a lot of it is practical from the sets to the stunts. It makes the universe feel authentic just like the Raimi Spiderman films.
Fun fact there’s an episode of brave and the bold featuring Adam west as Thomas wayne, Julie Newmar as Martha Wayne, Kevin conroy as the phantom stranger and Mark Hamil as the spectre
That was my favorite episode of the entire show. It basically felt like an episode of Batman: the Animated Series, especially how they had Paul Dini as the writer for the episode who also worked as one of the main writers for Batman: the Animated Series.
Interesting observation there Jonah; there was always too much lag between the cinema run finishing and VHS rental at the video store. Plus they were way too expensive to buy new at the time, which is why we would spend countless weekend hours at friends places, with VHS machines bootlegging their asses off.
Was it the first movie you could pre-order as well? I pre-ordered it at Blockbuster, and the day it came out I went to pick it up at lunchtime in case they ran out later.
That's the first time I ever paid attention to what tools he was actually using. I've been in operating theatres before and seen operations and the tools used, albeit not facial reconstructive surgery. The only thing I recognised were locking forceps. The rest looked like it came from a torture chamber.
David Dunn for some bizarre reason, when I was little, I always wanted to get some random minor surgery at that place because I felt sorry for that old guy. I mean, you see what he has to work with there!
Jack Nicholson said of his role, "The thing I like about the Joker is that his sense of humor is completely tasteless." He later said The Joker was one of his favorite roles he played. Michael Keaton came up with the famous "I'm Batman" line. The line in the script was "I am the night". This movie was released the year of the character's 50th anniversary. Jack Nicholson admitted in an interview that he was an enormous comic book fan in the era where Batman first appeared, and that the Joker was his favorite character from the comics. Michelle Pfeiffer, who was dating Michael Keaton at that time, was asked to audition for Vicki Vale, but Keaton was against it, saying it would be awkward. Pfeiffer would later be cast as Selina Kyle/Catwoman in Batman Returns (1992) alongside with Keaton. First Batman adaptation to depict the Joker's origin story. It remained the only film to do this until Batman: The Killing Joke (2016), whose source material was a big inspiration in the making of this movie The first Batman movie to win an Academy Award (for Best Art Direction-Set Decoration). It was followed by The Dark Knight (2008) with two wins.
Interesting tidbit about the surgeon scene. The medical tools (“see what I have to work with”) are the same props/dentist equipment used in Little Shop of Horrors from 1986. While it’s an adaptation of the stage musical, that movie is also a remake of the 1960 version, which coincidentally was one of Jack Nicholson’s first ever movies, he was a patient in the dentist office and got his teeth/smile worked on and enjoyed pain
Seriously, you guys are right, that shot of the batwing in front of moon might be the greatest moment in the history of cinema. Every time I see it - every time I’m waiting for it - it hits the mark.
You didn’t hit my favorite tidbit!!! The Axis Chemicals Jack Napier fall. When Batman catches Napier and then drops him, we see a closeup of Batman’s face. There are two different ways to see that shot, and once you know the second one, you can never UNSEE it. Keaton has said that he wanted that moment to be when Batman subconsciously recognized Jack Napier as the murderer of his parents, and dropped him on purpose. So, the first way you read Keaton’s face as “Holy shit, I can’t hold this guy anymore.” But the SECOND way, you can see it in his face when he decides. And it makes him shake because he knows he shouldn’t do it. But he does! How cool is that?!
Rory O'Donnell pretty sweet, huh? I can’t unsee it. The double blinks, it cuts to jack, then cuts back and keaton’s eyes are as big as saucers with this “It’s YOU” look.
"Camp dressed in tough guy drag" is a perfect summary of Tim Burton and his style preferences. His work has always had the window dressings of scary iconography, but his stories are often very romanticized.
Romanticized? Yeah. Underneath the tough exterior of Batman is the emotionally troubled heart of eccentric recluse billionaire Bruce Wayne and that awkward dysfunctional relationship with Vicki Vale that Wayne's guardian butler Alfred kept encouraging out of a concern for Bruce Wayne's health. Camp? Tim Burton explained, "I felt it should not be too dark or too campy - I was right in the middle about it. So I pitched 'true' Batman - not the [Adam West Batman (1966)] TV series and yet not [Death Wish (1974)] this extremely dark, unhumorous thing. Batman began as a dark detective. Batman is at heart a vigilante. The only way I could create a Death Wish-type situation was by balancing Batman's crime-stopping antics with absurd humor. The humor is very important to me. I was determined to take it back to a darker vision, a dark melodrama, but with absurd humor. A sense of a mixture of the light and the dark, the funny and the tragic... It's got a mixture of everything."
I like how well their comments on "people hated keaton until the trailer" has now mirrored the response to Pattinson. hopefully the batman 2022 is good and he goes down as well as keaton has
I remember at the time that Batman 1989 came out thinking "This is what movies are going to be like now" The darker more serious tones compared to say the Superman movies. I definitely felt that it was a turning point.
Lakewood Live_Archive The weird bubble translucent stasis suit with the wiring and reflective spectrum color stuff? That one reeeeally interested me, if only as an Elseworlds or temporary look
Burton's rationale for casting Keaton made sense to me. People suggested Arnold or whatever huge action guys, but Burton's view was, the whole point is that he needs to be a normal or even a sort of wimpy guy, who has to transform himself to let out this other side of him. If Bruce Wayne was already a jacked or intimidating guy, it wouldn't make sense
I love this movie, I just went back and rewatched it with my girlfriend who has never seen it before, she said she liked it but wasn’t as amused as I was. The combat is pretty clunky but man the setting and the aesthetic of Gotham is awesome. Keaton does a good job portraying that universes’ Batman and Bruce Wayne and I love and I can’t stress this enough love Jack Nicholson as The Joker
100%... Dafoe would have been a much more authentic Joker. But star power and box office returns do tend to count a bit! Anyway, the script completely sucked, so hey...
I loved this so much. I also grew up watching the West Batman after school, when this came out it changed my life very much like every kid in the early 90's. So iconic and Burton in true artist form.
I'm old enough to remember that the controversy over casting Keaton was because his last big movie was Mr. Mom, where he played a single dad who wrestled a vacuum cleaner. This was 1989. They assumed people wanted a Mr. Action Muscles to play the role. Nevermind that two of the most fondly-remembered action films of the decade are this and Robocop, and neither actor is known for their action film cred nor their muscles.
"this town needs a better class of enema... And I'm gonna give it to 'em." The two Burton flicks aren't perfect bat-daptations but they are my favourites. Especially Batman Returns... Please do Batman Returns.
There fine movies in their own respect but they don't represent batman for what he is. In the Burton films batman is a killer. He want to kill joker for revenge which batman would never do. It's Batmans number one rule, it's what gives him and joker their chemistry because joker likes to drive into batman to the limit where he will eventually will break down batman and will make the point that no one is good forever. But batman never gives up and that's what joker is shocked by and interests him because he is always doing something worse then the last to eventually meet his goal. Thats what makes the dark night movies superior in every aspect. But im not saying you cant have fun watching the burton films because I like them in their own respect. But they dont represent batman for who he is.
@@survivalhh2995 Nolan's Batman was inconsistent with his no kill rule. His Batman essentially side-stepped this rule and killed Ra's al Ghul which is what led Talia to attack Gotham and many innocent people died because of it.
Batman Returns isn’t that good, Catwoman is cool and Christopher Walken is hilarious but otherwise it’s kinda lame, boring and silly. Also the subplot of Penguin the gross bird man becoming Mayor is awful let’s face it. The first one is the best.
@@li-limandragon9287 This. I would say things like the acting, the casting, the music, etc are fantastic, but the script for Batman Returns is just the worst. To the point Catwoman learns karate by falling out of a window and The Penguin is evil Moses on Christmas...
@@li-limandragon9287 I love Batman Returns so much. Like there's an army of penguins with missiles attached to their backs! Penguin is creepy evil Moses! I just love it for it's weirdness. I will admit there is some cheesy dialog "eat floor high fiber" but I prefer it to the relatively bland and sort of flat 'law and order: special Batman's unit' Christmas bale Batman.
My favorite Batman movie ever. Yes! I love it way more than the Dark Knight movies, even Batman returns and Batman forever... believe it or not. Being a 17 year old that surprises lots of people. The cast, music, story, jokes, the bat suit is amazing amazing to me, the characters are great and this is my favorite live action Joker, Nicholson is my favorite. I’ve seen it over 15 times and I love it so much I went to see it for the 30th anniversary in the theater earlier this year with my mom who showed me the film.
I think the spoof commercial bit when the Joker hijacks the TV signals is just the most accurate representation of the Joker we've ever had on screen. It's a sort of dark, macabre parody of ridiculous commercials, where he threatens the entire city of Gotham and laughs while doing so. What's so deeply flawed about Ledger and Phoenix's performances is that they've taken the comedian out of the Joker, and that deeply breaks the character.
I love this film... saw it in the theater as a kid. My parents were a little wary bc it looked so dark. I really like the noirish feel '89 Batman has. Other films like The Crow and Dark City seem more like products of this, as opposed to the crappy pulp superhero films of the early 90s that you mentioned (Alex Proyas must really have been a Burton fan before graduating to directing crap). Dark Man, to a certain extent, is another stepchild of '89 Batman. Anywho, yeah, I still like it, and think it's one of the best Batman films for the iconic score alone.
Doubt they'll read this, but '89 Batman remains one of my favorite films. I first saw it when i was 16 years old. For me, it was the dialogue: the lines and how they were delivered. Had never seen anything like it before, and it stuck with me. And all these years later, I can still nearly quote this film by heart. Side note: my dad said he was never able to finish watching this movie because it was so dark that he'd always fall asleep on the couch when it was in tv.😂 (RIP, dad..😢)
It's one of my favorite movies and I think it's one of the best movies ever made. The writing is incredible. It's probably the best looking movie ever made. The use of themes and imagery is brilliant. The best Joker, he pulls off the psychopath better than any other Joker and his laugh makes Ledger's look amateur. Ledger's Joker is one dimensional and has no arc, 89 Joker has an arc and his character is juxtaposed against Batman the entire time. One scene leads to the next always using themes and images to contrast and compare the two main characters. It's just so good, the visuals are incredible. It looks as good as Star Wars. Batman is mysterious which I love. The way Joker asks Batman questions that makes the audience wonder the same thing. It's just brilliant on all levels, a masterpiece. The writing is so good I put it above any Star Wars movie that's for sure. It's up their with Godfather, Citizen Kane and Gone With The Wind. It's the culmination of immense talent and passion in a perfect moment in time that resulted in a film noire detective movie with romance, intrigue and suspense with an antagonist that was truly frightening. He makes Ledger's Joker seem like a teddy bear. You could teach an entire movie making course on this one movie because the use of story elements is pure genius. The movie starts out foreshadowing a flashback... the first scene starts brilliant and it doesn't stop until the final credits. I could talk about it for days because it's so darn good, it makes every other super hero movie look lazy and uninspired. Every line of dialogue, every scene, every shot, every angle has so much attention to detail and forethought I'll never get sick of it. Best Batman movie, best detective movie, best film noire, best superhero movie, best looking movie ever. It's lightning in a bottle, that moment in time is gone immediately after. Batman Returns while a decent movie isn't 1% as good as the masterpiece of 89 Batman, the bigger budget and lack of restraint took away what made the original what it is. An all time great masterful work of art. I've never seen a movie with even a fraction of the attention to detail as this movie, including Star Wars, Avatar or anything. Each scene is saturated with so many layers of symbolism and storytelling in a way no one else has even come close to. The Nolan movies seem so hollow and one dimensional in comparison I can't even bare to watch them. There's nothing to them. It's just surficial, bland and loud. There's nothing to dig into because there's only one layer.
@@PeterG00000 why? Because it just is. I would postulate, doing late night exercise is significantly less weird than sleeping upside down all night. Like, a lot less weird. And physically possible too (without passing out).
@@arthurfisher1857 "it just is" isnt an argument. That's like when parents tell their kids "because I said so." So since you dont actually have any idea as to why it's less weird, dont pretend like it's less weird.
@@TheInfamousTacos lol lighten up chum. It's a throw away shot from a 30 year old movie. But if you insist on having an argument, how about the fact that it's actually physically possible for him to be exercising whereas it would not be physically possible for him to be sleeping? (Given all that blood rushing to his head would cause him great harm). So there you go. It is, I believe, less weird to be doing something possible than doing something impossible. Does that work?
*This* is my favorite comic book movie, to this day. I still remember my dad bringing me to see it. I was ten years old, which means my father was thirty-seven (he would turn thirty-eight later that year). I'm three years older than my father was then. It's funny how old and wise my dad seemed at thirty-seven. Nice memory. :) He also brought me to see "Beetlejuice," "Gremlins 2: The New Batch," "Revenge of the Nerds 2: Nerds in Paradise," Benji the Hunted" and "Falling Down." Come to think of it, we went to movies a lot, and still do to this day! :D
I wore out the Batman VHS that I owned, I watched it at least once a week as a kid. I think that Batman and especially Total Recall are the last of the old fashioned blockbusters, by 1991 Terminator 2 had shown the way forward with digital characters, movies were never the same again. I consider myself lucky to have been around to experience it.
Actually, Superman 1978 and Superman II 1980 were the movies that made comic character movies get taken seriously in a modern, serious sense. Burton’s Batman, Fox’s X-Men, and the MCU just freshened up the same formula started by Christopher Reeve & Gene Hackman.
“Michael Keaton is not a good Batman” Mason sounds so wounded. That’s his childhood. I thought the exact same thing with the guy playing young Jack Napier (his name’s Hugo Blick). Nicholson obviously killed it, but it’s a wonder no one like him or Dafoe ever was cast in the role. Although, Dafoe was the Green Goblin we deserved and needed. I will say that Blick’s Napier is who I think of any time I watch Mask of the Phantasm, when “Jack”’s outside Beaumont’s place in the flashback. Dead ringer for animated pre-Joker.
Michael keaton is the best batman. Theres alot of retroactive bashing of the two batman films (i dont consider the next two). These films were super influential to super hero films and the batman universe.
Michael Keaton's Batman is absolutely loved and adored by most people. Wtf you smoking?? This channel is pro marvel. Fuck this channel. All they do is shit on DC. Fucking dopes
I really enjoy this movie. Jack Nicholson’s Joker is my favorite live-action Joker, because of his use of weird gadgets and weapons (which I personally always associate with the Joker) as well as his performance.
The laugh box in his pocket is one of my favorite touches here. It's like something out of Dark Knight Returns. Even after Death, he gets the last laugh.
And if you look VERY carefully as the camera trucks in on the Joker's corpse, he BLINKS! Twice, in fact! The 4K version makes it much easier to spot it. That is sooooooo creepy!
Batman was almost killed by a woman lying about her weight. That's why at the end when they're falling from the clocktower he had to bust out a grapple hook that was three times bigger.
@@Jb-ik3pq Regardless of what your opinion of 'Gotham' is, mostly everyone agrees that the show gave us a great looking Gotham. My comment was a year old, now that The Batman trailer is out and now that we have an idea of what Matt Reeves' Gotham may look like, I think it looks fantastic and it'll probably be the best looking Gotham City yet.
The biggest unanswered question from this movie: WHAT does the Joker say when he looks at the cut out picture of Vicki Vale? I’ve always heard, “Eye of a mind makes a moogie” Which is probably it...
That style would definitely fit with Riddler as the main villain, he's that sort of character who wants to mentally torture Batman as much as possible, plus it'd be nice to see more of the detective side of Batman on screen
While I was not an adult when I first watched this, my parents and my uncles and aunts all were. From their reactions to seeing it for the first time - back in the day, granted - they absolutely loved it. Not sure how they think of it today, but I think there is a more fair gauge on how effective something is when it is functioning within its own time.
I absolutely love this film. It’s gritty, gothic, very stylish, and, while admittedly a bit overdramatic at times, it’s an endlessly entertaining take on the property and one of my top 5 films of all time.
@@tornadochaser2457 It's overall style is a bit unrealistic and exaggerated, like the fight scene when the guy attacks Batman with two swords after Batman rescues Vicki Vale from the museum. Some people may not like that, but I fucking love it.
@@mycubiclepenguin868 Oh, okay. I see overdramatic as referring to emotional scenes with inflated drama, I see what you're talking about as "over the top".
@@tornadochaser2457 Sorry, I should have worded it better ;) My other 4 favorites would be 4. The Shining 3. Indiana Jones - The Last Crusade 2. Blade Runner 1. Star Wars - (pick any film from the original trilogy)
Watched this movie for the first time in at least a decade and gotta say it holds up pretty well in my opinion. Still say that Nicholson is the best live action adaption of Joker!
Jack Nicholson really owns this movie as the Joker (so many classic lines), but I wish you'd taken the time to talk about Jack Palance, a powerful actor who could have made a great Batman villain if he was younger.
I used to work in a store that, for a week or two, played the "Batman" soundtrack as part of the mix. I finally realized that the theme is just a sinister version of "The Simpsons" theme, which was also written by Danny Elfman.
When years later, Crisis on Infinite Earths on the CW puts in a Robert Wuhl cameo, you know how much nostalgia this movie holds for people when they immediately recognize both the actor and the score.
Still my favorite big screen version of Batman. Something I always wondered about; The Joker didn't know that he was going to have to escape from the top of the cathedral so how in the hell did so many of his henchmen end up already up there?
I actually saw this really fucking kick-ass fanart of a batman '89 version of batman beyond, where he's still got a cape and the chest symbol is sort of a futuristic version of the iconic yellow bat
In terms of the Cowl. In the first film it was made from natual latex, it's cheap and it's strong, but it wasn't breathable. The secound film used silcone which was lighter smoother and more breathable. This all came down to time and budget.
I remember fondly playing the movie game version on the Amiga by Ocean . I remember the insane batmobile grapple hook timing to turn corners, the tower scene at the end and that insane laugh box at the end of the game. Also, there was an end credit remix which included the remixed line " who are you?! I'm Batman.. who.. who.. who are you ? I'm Batman.. bat bat Batman!
Batman the entire movie: uses grappling hook at every opportunity.
Batman at the end of the movie: takes the stairs.
ran out of hooks
He packed 83 hooks for the day, but he clearly should have packed 84.
A true character arc
He was just showing off.
but then we wouldn't have the truly gripping scene of batman chasing joker up a massive flight of stairs for like 5 minutes that would probably have been better to give the story a bit of a better conclusion.
This movie was lightning in a bottle, because it was something no one had ever seen before. Now, dark comic book movies are a dime a dozen. But then? It felt revolutionary, in the way Star Wars did for space movies.
This movie holds up well today, on par with Spider-Man 1 and 2, raimis movies. Cinematic films
@@moonknight4053 Much like those films it's a good introduction to the character.
Star wars ruined space movies
@@moonknight4053 Probably because a lot of it is practical from the sets to the stunts. It makes the universe feel authentic just like the Raimi Spiderman films.
@@moonknight4053honestly this is better than Spider-Man 1, on par with Spider-Man 2
Fun fact there’s an episode of brave and the bold featuring Adam west as Thomas wayne, Julie Newmar as Martha Wayne, Kevin conroy as the phantom stranger and Mark Hamil as the spectre
Very good show. Very good.
That was my favorite episode of the entire show. It basically felt like an episode of Batman: the Animated Series, especially how they had Paul Dini as the writer for the episode who also worked as one of the main writers for Batman: the Animated Series.
@@raiyaniqbal1994 what was the episode called?
@@bongoman9578 Chill of the Night. Season 2 Episode 11.
Holy shit.
"Where does he get such wonderful toys?" - Best line ever.
"Where does he get _those_ wonderful toys?" ;)
“This town need an enema!”
"Can somebody tell me what kind of a world we live in, where a man dressed up as a _bat_ gets all of my press?"
@@toddhensley880 😆😆😆😂😂
my personal favourites are "you wouldn't hit a guy with glasses would you?" and "i have given a name to my pain and it is batman"
Batman was also the first film to have a home video release the same year as the film's theatrical run. It revolutionized film distribution forever.
Interesting observation there Jonah; there was always too much lag between the cinema run finishing and VHS rental at the video store.
Plus they were way too expensive to buy new at the time, which is why we would spend countless weekend hours at friends places, with VHS machines bootlegging their asses off.
Was it the first movie you could pre-order as well? I pre-ordered it at Blockbuster, and the day it came out I went to pick it up at lunchtime in case they ran out later.
Jonah Falcon Batman was the first movie I ever owned. Got it for Christmas 1989.
@@scottm4969 That was the entire point. Batman was everyone's favorite stocking stuffer that year.
@Taylor Lemoine operative word: "years".
“He’s got the device that hits people in the nuts” - bravo. Genuinely laughed out loud.
The Bat Nutcracker.
It's a crime that Willem Dafoe has never actually played the Joker
Yes it is it totally is
"Misery misery...That's what you've chosen."
Yes, and he was of course arrested for it. And did time. Poor guy :(
Ben Foster would be an excellent JOKER. ....30 days of night and especially 3.10 to Yuma convinced me of that.
And in makeup he looks great! Behold the avatar of nightmare fuel!
Let me ask you something: “Ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight?”
Still sounds creepy as hell, 10x than "Why so Serious"
Go fuck yourself
i think that's what he was doing in the public bathroom in the new movie, and that's when the Joker was born
gohanson27 no way, do you actually think Nicholson's Joker is scarier? That's bullshit😂
YOU WANNA GET NUTS?! LET'S GET NUTS!
"I don't even think that guy's a surgeon. I think he was a dog murderer" 10/10
That's the moment I clicked the "like" button.
I was in tears 😂
That's the first time I ever paid attention to what tools he was actually using. I've been in operating theatres before and seen operations and the tools used, albeit not facial reconstructive surgery. The only thing I recognised were locking forceps. The rest looked like it came from a torture chamber.
Glad that Joker killed him
David Dunn for some bizarre reason, when I was little, I always wanted to get some random minor surgery at that place because I felt sorry for that old guy. I mean, you see what he has to work with there!
Jack Nicholson said of his role, "The thing I like about the Joker is that his sense of humor is completely tasteless." He later said The Joker was one of his favorite roles he played.
Michael Keaton came up with the famous "I'm Batman" line. The line in the script was "I am the night".
This movie was released the year of the character's 50th anniversary.
Jack Nicholson admitted in an interview that he was an enormous comic book fan in the era where Batman first appeared, and that the Joker was his favorite character from the comics.
Michelle Pfeiffer, who was dating Michael Keaton at that time, was asked to audition for Vicki Vale, but Keaton was against it, saying it would be awkward. Pfeiffer would later be cast as Selina Kyle/Catwoman in Batman Returns (1992) alongside with Keaton.
First Batman adaptation to depict the Joker's origin story. It remained the only film to do this until Batman: The Killing Joke (2016), whose source material was a big inspiration in the making of this movie
The first Batman movie to win an Academy Award (for Best Art Direction-Set Decoration). It was followed by The Dark Knight (2008) with two wins.
"the arkham games"
*then proceeds to show someone gliding out of bounds*
I think they wanted to show the Gotham skyline lol
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I mean like who didn't try to do that obce
-Was the Joker ever really gone?
-No one's ever really gone...
Because of this film I've never rubbed another man's rhubarb.
Maybe you think about it though
That quote has been my modus vivendi ever since I watched the movie.
What if he asked really politely?
@@Akutabai5 oh alright. I'm a sucker for good manners.
But what if .. *heavy breathing* he's *heavy breathing" your number 1 guy?
I couldn't get enough of this movie when I was a kid. Probably watched this and Ghostbusters a million times!
Interesting tidbit about the surgeon scene. The medical tools (“see what I have to work with”) are the same props/dentist equipment used in Little Shop of Horrors from 1986. While it’s an adaptation of the stage musical, that movie is also a remake of the 1960 version, which coincidentally was one of Jack Nicholson’s first ever movies, he was a patient in the dentist office and got his teeth/smile worked on and enjoyed pain
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Seriously, you guys are right, that shot of the batwing in front of moon might be the greatest moment in the history of cinema. Every time I see it - every time I’m waiting for it - it hits the mark.
I love Batman 1989. That score was incredible.
And Batman Returns is an even better score. Be well.
A lot better than Zimmer's one note irritation.
@@ricardocantoral7672 and I can't believe the credit he gets for that score. It's not memorable to me.
Pure Nostalgia!
Yup. The phenomenon around the movie's release that Summer is something that I will never forget. It was literally everywhere!
"Batman Beyond but set in the Burtonverse"
*GIVE IT TO ME NOW*
It could still happen
Batman beyond sucks
@@disclaimer.imjokin never watched it but can you explain why?
@@disclaimer.imjokin Explain
@@disclaimer.imjokin what a bozo, imagine dropping that and refusing to explain.
You didn’t hit my favorite tidbit!!!
The Axis Chemicals Jack Napier fall. When Batman catches Napier and then drops him, we see a closeup of Batman’s face. There are two different ways to see that shot, and once you know the second one, you can never UNSEE it. Keaton has said that he wanted that moment to be when Batman subconsciously recognized Jack Napier as the murderer of his parents, and dropped him on purpose. So, the first way you read Keaton’s face as “Holy shit, I can’t hold this guy anymore.” But the SECOND way, you can see it in his face when he decides. And it makes him shake because he knows he shouldn’t do it. But he does! How cool is that?!
Yoooo
Rory O'Donnell pretty sweet, huh? I can’t unsee it. The double blinks, it cuts to jack, then cuts back and keaton’s eyes are as big as saucers with this “It’s YOU” look.
@@ghostdog2041 pretty cool
like most stories though its probably not true.
Then why does it take him the rest of the movie to figure it out?
No matter how many times I watch this, I ALWAYS crack up at "I don't even think that guy was a surgeon; I think he was a dog murderer!"
"there's so much good stuff in there you can't dismiss it completely"
That's why I come back every Sunday Tuesday and Thursday.
1989:
Joker in BatMan
30 YEARS LATER:
Joker has his own movie
endmy suffering That is completely true
I used to think life was a comedy. But now, I realize it’s a reboot.
“PURPLE....I LOoOoOoOoooOOVE PURPLE!!!!” -One Vikki Vale
Wouldn’t be surprised if that was directed to Prince.
nr99 that would be pretty cool if it were true.
Mike Hawk well apparently Prince agreed to do the soundtrack to impress Kim Bassinger. They even went out during that time.
nr99 that’s cool. I didn’t know that. Lol then yeah, she probably emphasized that line for him.
"Excuse me.....i dont mind that Girlfriend that you kidnapped is going down on you but did you ever dance with the devil in the pale moon light?"
"Tell everybody that I'm Batman yea?"
"I'll see ya later." *Walks off building*
"Camp dressed in tough guy drag" is a perfect summary of Tim Burton and his style preferences. His work has always had the window dressings of scary iconography, but his stories are often very romanticized.
excepting Ed Wood, which is just kind of weirdly perfect
Romanticized? Yeah. Underneath the tough exterior of Batman is the emotionally troubled heart of eccentric recluse billionaire Bruce Wayne and that awkward dysfunctional relationship with Vicki Vale that Wayne's guardian butler Alfred kept encouraging out of a concern for Bruce Wayne's health. Camp? Tim Burton explained, "I felt it should not be too dark or too campy - I was right in the middle about it. So I pitched 'true' Batman - not the [Adam West Batman (1966)] TV series and yet not [Death Wish (1974)] this extremely dark, unhumorous thing. Batman began as a dark detective. Batman is at heart a vigilante. The only way I could create a Death Wish-type situation was by balancing Batman's crime-stopping antics with absurd humor. The humor is very important to me. I was determined to take it back to a darker vision, a dark melodrama, but with absurd humor. A sense of a mixture of the light and the dark, the funny and the tragic... It's got a mixture of everything."
Goth camp.
HXCDANCEWITHME- I think Tim Burton emotionally peaked in art school.
@@brianjauch9958 I think Brian Jauch emotionally peaked in grad-school.
I like how well their comments on "people hated keaton until the trailer" has now mirrored the response to Pattinson. hopefully the batman 2022 is good and he goes down as well as keaton has
Good news
Happy to report that all of those mouth breathers are now eating their words because Battinson knocked that role out of the damn park 👌
@@MissMisnomer_ you reminded me that I commented this 2 years ago. he did so damn well, I loved the film too!
"something in the way...."
And in between those two you had people mad after learning that Ledger was gonna be Nolan's Joker.. same as everyone else, he was TERRIFIC!
Best idea I have heard in a while. “Give me a Batman Beyond sent in the Burtonverse”
I remember at the time that Batman 1989 came out thinking "This is what movies are going to be like now" The darker more serious tones compared to say the Superman movies. I definitely felt that it was a turning point.
“It looks like it’s made out of mashed potato or something.”
Lol, I agree - though I’ve actually come around on the weird organic look of the suit.
Check out the "almost" Nic Cage Superman Suit from that Burton project. Geesh.
Now I think about it, the Nolan Batman costume makes Batman look kind of like a black beetle.
Lakewood Live_Archive The weird bubble translucent stasis suit with the wiring and reflective spectrum color stuff? That one reeeeally interested me, if only as an Elseworlds or temporary look
The 1989 Batman was amazing. I NEVER get sick of that movie.
1:45, the script says that Gotham City is literally Hell on Earth that will never stop growing.
The Sam Hamm script is awesome.
@@anobleroman8906 Yes I know. Comic Book writer Steven Englehart rewrote the script between 1980 and 1987.
Doom
Burton's rationale for casting Keaton made sense to me. People suggested Arnold or whatever huge action guys, but Burton's view was, the whole point is that he needs to be a normal or even a sort of wimpy guy, who has to transform himself to let out this other side of him. If Bruce Wayne was already a jacked or intimidating guy, it wouldn't make sense
We live in a Joker
Have you ever joked with the Joker during 1989?
Hydraxion Voltage you ask that of all your Jokers
Never joker another joker’s joker
Hydraxion Voltage Jokers joke up
I tried, but it turned out it was 1994.
I love this movie, I just went back and rewatched it with my girlfriend who has never seen it before, she said she liked it but wasn’t as amused as I was. The combat is pretty clunky but man the setting and the aesthetic of Gotham is awesome. Keaton does a good job portraying that universes’ Batman and Bruce Wayne and I love and I can’t stress this enough love Jack Nicholson as The Joker
I always thought Willem Defoe would make a damn good Joker.
Same here man have always said this
He basically plays the Joker in Spidey
Too short
100%... Dafoe would have been a much more authentic Joker. But star power and box office returns do tend to count a bit! Anyway, the script completely sucked, so hey...
I loved this so much. I also grew up watching the West Batman after school, when this came out it changed my life very much like every kid in the early 90's. So iconic and Burton in true artist form.
Honestly James is right. Just get flashback Jack Napier to be The Joker!
In my opinion Jack Napier is the only joker
Just found his name on imdb. Hugo Blick.
@@ghiggs8389sounds like a comic book character
I'm old enough to remember that the controversy over casting Keaton was because his last big movie was Mr. Mom, where he played a single dad who wrestled a vacuum cleaner.
This was 1989. They assumed people wanted a Mr. Action Muscles to play the role.
Nevermind that two of the most fondly-remembered action films of the decade are this and Robocop, and neither actor is known for their action film cred nor their muscles.
"This town needs an enema"
*blows party horn*
“They should make another one of these”
2020 news is Michael coming back for flashpoint.
2:43, the Batman Theme by Danny Elfman is incredible!!
And partially stolen from Christopher Young.
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@@jamesoblivion I think that's probably just a coincidence, but I do think that Hellraiser 2 is a great movie.
Batman Beyond in this universe would be so PERFECT!
Never realized Batman 1989 was the pioneer in “let’s get this bread”
"They should make another one of these," we said.
The monkey paw curled a finger, and we got The Flash.
"this town needs a better class of enema... And I'm gonna give it to 'em."
The two Burton flicks aren't perfect bat-daptations but they are my favourites. Especially Batman Returns...
Please do Batman Returns.
There fine movies in their own respect but they don't represent batman for what he is. In the Burton films batman is a killer. He want to kill joker for revenge which batman would never do. It's Batmans number one rule, it's what gives him and joker their chemistry because joker likes to drive into batman to the limit where he will eventually will break down batman and will make the point that no one is good forever. But batman never gives up and that's what joker is shocked by and interests him because he is always doing something worse then the last to eventually meet his goal. Thats what makes the dark night movies superior in every aspect. But im not saying you cant have fun watching the burton films because I like them in their own respect. But they dont represent batman for who he is.
@@survivalhh2995 Nolan's Batman was inconsistent with his no kill rule. His Batman essentially side-stepped this rule and killed Ra's al Ghul which is what led Talia to attack Gotham and many innocent people died because of it.
Batman Returns isn’t that good, Catwoman is cool and Christopher Walken is hilarious but otherwise it’s kinda lame, boring and silly.
Also the subplot of Penguin the gross bird man becoming Mayor is awful let’s face it.
The first one is the best.
@@li-limandragon9287 This. I would say things like the acting, the casting, the music, etc are fantastic, but the script for Batman Returns is just the worst. To the point Catwoman learns karate by falling out of a window and The Penguin is evil Moses on Christmas...
@@li-limandragon9287 I love Batman Returns so much. Like there's an army of penguins with missiles attached to their backs! Penguin is creepy evil Moses! I just love it for it's weirdness. I will admit there is some cheesy dialog "eat floor high fiber" but I prefer it to the relatively bland and sort of flat 'law and order: special Batman's unit' Christmas bale Batman.
I don't think that The Dark Knight Trilogy nor the MCU would even exist without Batman 1989!
I think this has possibly the most iconic imagery from any superhero movie ever
My favorite Batman movie ever. Yes! I love it way more than the Dark Knight movies, even Batman returns and Batman forever... believe it or not. Being a 17 year old that surprises lots of people. The cast, music, story, jokes, the bat suit is amazing amazing to me, the characters are great and this is my favorite live action Joker, Nicholson is my favorite. I’ve seen it over 15 times and I love it so much I went to see it for the 30th anniversary in the theater earlier this year with my mom who showed me the film.
Its my favorite too
Same. it's the only Batman movie i don't mind re-watching.
"I'm of a mind to make some mooky."
''I have given a name to my pain, and it is Batman.''
"Phonebook..."
Bob was the heart and soul of that whole operation!
Never rub another man's rhubarb
@@PeterG00000 Damn right!!
I think the spoof commercial bit when the Joker hijacks the TV signals is just the most accurate representation of the Joker we've ever had on screen. It's a sort of dark, macabre parody of ridiculous commercials, where he threatens the entire city of Gotham and laughs while doing so. What's so deeply flawed about Ledger and Phoenix's performances is that they've taken the comedian out of the Joker, and that deeply breaks the character.
I love this film... saw it in the theater as a kid. My parents were a little wary bc it looked so dark. I really like the noirish feel '89 Batman has. Other films like The Crow and Dark City seem more like products of this, as opposed to the crappy pulp superhero films of the early 90s that you mentioned (Alex Proyas must really have been a Burton fan before graduating to directing crap). Dark Man, to a certain extent, is another stepchild of '89 Batman. Anywho, yeah, I still like it, and think it's one of the best Batman films for the iconic score alone.
Really, the best part of this channel is...
How much fun it sounds like you two are having.
I wasn’t even alive when this movie came out, and I know that this episode should be specially titled “Caravan of Greatness” 😁😁😁
Hell yeah
Doubt they'll read this, but '89 Batman remains one of my favorite films. I first saw it when i was 16 years old. For me, it was the dialogue: the lines and how they were delivered. Had never seen anything like it before, and it stuck with me. And all these years later, I can still nearly quote this film by heart.
Side note: my dad said he was never able to finish watching this movie because it was so dark that he'd always fall asleep on the couch when it was in tv.😂 (RIP, dad..😢)
It's one of my favorite movies and I think it's one of the best movies ever made. The writing is incredible. It's probably the best looking movie ever made. The use of themes and imagery is brilliant. The best Joker, he pulls off the psychopath better than any other Joker and his laugh makes Ledger's look amateur. Ledger's Joker is one dimensional and has no arc, 89 Joker has an arc and his character is juxtaposed against Batman the entire time. One scene leads to the next always using themes and images to contrast and compare the two main characters.
It's just so good, the visuals are incredible. It looks as good as Star Wars. Batman is mysterious which I love. The way Joker asks Batman questions that makes the audience wonder the same thing. It's just brilliant on all levels, a masterpiece. The writing is so good I put it above any Star Wars movie that's for sure. It's up their with Godfather, Citizen Kane and Gone With The Wind. It's the culmination of immense talent and passion in a perfect moment in time that resulted in a film noire detective movie with romance, intrigue and suspense with an antagonist that was truly frightening. He makes Ledger's Joker seem like a teddy bear.
You could teach an entire movie making course on this one movie because the use of story elements is pure genius. The movie starts out foreshadowing a flashback... the first scene starts brilliant and it doesn't stop until the final credits. I could talk about it for days because it's so darn good, it makes every other super hero movie look lazy and uninspired. Every line of dialogue, every scene, every shot, every angle has so much attention to detail and forethought I'll never get sick of it. Best Batman movie, best detective movie, best film noire, best superhero movie, best looking movie ever. It's lightning in a bottle, that moment in time is gone immediately after. Batman Returns while a decent movie isn't 1% as good as the masterpiece of 89 Batman, the bigger budget and lack of restraint took away what made the original what it is. An all time great masterful work of art. I've never seen a movie with even a fraction of the attention to detail as this movie, including Star Wars, Avatar or anything.
Each scene is saturated with so many layers of symbolism and storytelling in a way no one else has even come close to. The Nolan movies seem so hollow and one dimensional in comparison I can't even bare to watch them. There's nothing to them. It's just surficial, bland and loud. There's nothing to dig into because there's only one layer.
The prince soundtrack was dope though
Get busted.
It was dope
19:18 holy moly past James and Maso, you're not gonna believe what movies you just covered on Caravan of Garbage
He wasn't sleeping upside down, he was exercising
Ikr people keep mistaking that
Why is hanging upside down to do some late night exercises when you have a lady over any less weird than sleeping upside down?
@@PeterG00000 why? Because it just is. I would postulate, doing late night exercise is significantly less weird than sleeping upside down all night.
Like, a lot less weird. And physically possible too (without passing out).
@@arthurfisher1857 "it just is" isnt an argument. That's like when parents tell their kids "because I said so." So since you dont actually have any idea as to why it's less weird, dont pretend like it's less weird.
@@TheInfamousTacos lol lighten up chum. It's a throw away shot from a 30 year old movie.
But if you insist on having an argument, how about the fact that it's actually physically possible for him to be exercising whereas it would not be physically possible for him to be sleeping? (Given all that blood rushing to his head would cause him great harm).
So there you go. It is, I believe, less weird to be doing something possible than doing something impossible.
Does that work?
Beautifully dated. Lovely models and matte paintings. One of Burton's best. LOVE IT.
I think Michael Keaton would have made a good Joker. His Beetlejuice character is a good example .
Thank you! Ive been saying this for years and have never seen anyone else recognize it. He would get nuts!!
Too similar to Beetlejuice. Actor's hate doing the same thing over and over.
YOU WANNA GET NUTS?? Let's get nuts
One of my favourite movies growing up. Always loved the Joker's henchmen driving those green and purple cars.
*This* is my favorite comic book movie, to this day. I still remember my dad bringing me to see it. I was ten years old, which means my father was thirty-seven (he would turn thirty-eight later that year). I'm three years older than my father was then. It's funny how old and wise my dad seemed at thirty-seven. Nice memory. :)
He also brought me to see "Beetlejuice," "Gremlins 2: The New Batch," "Revenge of the Nerds 2: Nerds in Paradise," Benji the Hunted" and "Falling Down." Come to think of it, we went to movies a lot, and still do to this day! :D
Fluoride Jones Same. My dad brought me to this and BeetleJuice too. I was 7 or 8. But those were great memories. Glad others had similar experiences.
+KungFury
Thanks for responding, "KungFury." Good times!
This film is underrated.
wtf this movie is overated
@@blueeagleaguilaazul5365 cap
@@CosmixxSlopShop not cap. this movie is no where near underrated
I wore out the Batman VHS that I owned, I watched it at least once a week as a kid. I think that Batman and especially Total Recall are the last of the old fashioned blockbusters, by 1991 Terminator 2 had shown the way forward with digital characters, movies were never the same again.
I consider myself lucky to have been around to experience it.
Robocop too.
Good times, those.
I saw this opening night. When the Batwing rose up and was silhouetted against the moon, the entire theatre cheered. Rad indeed!
"never rub another man's corn cob"
-Corn of Coblin
Snake Plissken only real ones remember 😂😂😂
Actually, Superman 1978 and Superman II 1980 were the movies that made comic character movies get taken seriously in a modern, serious sense. Burton’s Batman, Fox’s X-Men, and the MCU just freshened up the same formula started by Christopher Reeve & Gene Hackman.
“Michael Keaton is not a good Batman”
Mason sounds so wounded. That’s his childhood.
I thought the exact same thing with the guy playing young Jack Napier (his name’s Hugo Blick). Nicholson obviously killed it, but it’s a wonder no one like him or Dafoe ever was cast in the role. Although, Dafoe was the Green Goblin we deserved and needed.
I will say that Blick’s Napier is who I think of any time I watch Mask of the Phantasm, when “Jack”’s outside Beaumont’s place in the flashback. Dead ringer for animated pre-Joker.
me too
Michael keaton is the best batman. Theres alot of retroactive bashing of the two batman films (i dont consider the next two). These films were super influential to super hero films and the batman universe.
I liked Michael Keaton batman at that time
Michael Keaton's Batman is absolutely loved and adored by most people. Wtf you smoking?? This channel is pro marvel. Fuck this channel. All they do is shit on DC. Fucking dopes
"I don't like to use the word rad"
*Continues to use the word rad*
10:42, I love the Batmobile in 89!! It's pretty badass!!
It's a suped up Dodge Viper.
I really enjoy this movie. Jack Nicholson’s Joker is my favorite live-action Joker, because of his use of weird gadgets and weapons (which I personally always associate with the Joker) as well as his performance.
Jack is the best live action Joker for sure, no doubt for me.
The laugh box in his pocket is one of my favorite touches here. It's like something out of Dark Knight Returns. Even after Death, he gets the last laugh.
And if you look VERY carefully as the camera trucks in on the Joker's corpse, he BLINKS! Twice, in fact! The 4K version makes it much easier to spot it. That is sooooooo creepy!
Batman was almost killed by a woman lying about her weight. That's why at the end when they're falling from the clocktower he had to bust out a grapple hook that was three times bigger.
Hope Matt Reeves gives us a gothic, timeless Gotham again. Love how the city looked in the Arkham games and in the live action show.
Hopefully Reeves has played the Arkham games.
Did you mean to say live action show? I don’t think that’s the best thing to take inspiration from.
@@Jb-ik3pq Regardless of what your opinion of 'Gotham' is, mostly everyone agrees that the show gave us a great looking Gotham. My comment was a year old, now that The Batman trailer is out and now that we have an idea of what Matt Reeves' Gotham may look like, I think it looks fantastic and it'll probably be the best looking Gotham City yet.
@@acheman8836what do you think now?
The Keaton suit is in the Arkham Knight game and it’s absolutely amazing, best suit in the game honestly
The biggest unanswered question from this movie: WHAT does the Joker say when he looks at the cut out picture of Vicki Vale? I’ve always heard,
“Eye of a mind makes a moogie”
Which is probably it...
Recently re watched and thought he said "I'm of a mind to make some moogie" Which is to say, seduce Vickie I guess.
Greg Gates Jr “I’m of a mind to make some mooky.” He’s saying he’s thinking about having sex with her.
In the german dub they translated it to basically "i really want to shag again" , he wants to fuck her.
“Eye of a mime makes a movie” the only thing that ever made sense to me.
I thought it was mookie like money? But sex works I guess?
5:00 you called it, Keaton's now in talks to return as an Older Batman!
👍
I would love to see Fincher do a Batman film in the style of Seven, with The Riddler as the main villian.
That style would definitely fit with Riddler as the main villain, he's that sort of character who wants to mentally torture Batman as much as possible, plus it'd be nice to see more of the detective side of Batman on screen
@@tugrul5165
There is a fan theory that says that Se7en is set in a pre Batman Gotham.
Weekly Planet t-shirts that say: "It's Rad."
Do this!!
While I was not an adult when I first watched this, my parents and my uncles and aunts all were. From their reactions to seeing it for the first time - back in the day, granted - they absolutely loved it. Not sure how they think of it today, but I think there is a more fair gauge on how effective something is when it is functioning within its own time.
I absolutely love this film. It’s gritty, gothic, very stylish, and, while admittedly a bit overdramatic at times, it’s an endlessly entertaining take on the property and one of my top 5 films of all time.
When is it overdramatic?
@@tornadochaser2457 It's overall style is a bit unrealistic and exaggerated, like the fight scene when the guy attacks Batman with two swords after Batman rescues Vicki Vale from the museum. Some people may not like that, but I fucking love it.
@@mycubiclepenguin868 Oh, okay. I see overdramatic as referring to emotional scenes with inflated drama, I see what you're talking about as "over the top".
@@mycubiclepenguin868 Out of curiosity, what are your other top 5 films?
@@tornadochaser2457 Sorry, I should have worded it better ;)
My other 4 favorites would be
4. The Shining
3. Indiana Jones - The Last Crusade
2. Blade Runner
1. Star Wars - (pick any film from the original trilogy)
Watched this movie for the first time in at least a decade and gotta say it holds up pretty well in my opinion. Still say that Nicholson is the best live action adaption of Joker!
Jack Nicholson really owns this movie as the Joker (so many classic lines), but I wish you'd taken the time to talk about Jack Palance, a powerful actor who could have made a great Batman villain if he was younger.
yes agreed JACK P was much more charismatic
I used to work in a store that, for a week or two, played the "Batman" soundtrack as part of the mix. I finally realized that the theme is just a sinister version of "The Simpsons" theme, which was also written by Danny Elfman.
"Tell me something kid....have you ever danced with the devil by the pale moon light" *smiles*
"Lets go jack"
"see ya around kid"
*walks away*
Tim Burton's vision of Batman Beyond would either be breathtaking majesty or panic inducing madness. Regardless, I NOW MUST SEE THAT FILM.
“Haven’t you ever heard of the healing power of laughter?”
When years later, Crisis on Infinite Earths on the CW puts in a Robert Wuhl cameo, you know how much nostalgia this movie holds for people when they immediately recognize both the actor and the score.
6:01
That’s my favourite shot with Michael managing to smile in that mask and still look intimidating as Batman.
Still my favorite big screen version of Batman.
Something I always wondered about; The Joker didn't know that he was going to have to escape from the top of the cathedral so how in the hell did so many of his henchmen end up already up there?
"RoBat BattenBat" is pure poetry.
I nearly spat my tea across my laptop when you put in that "Best mates" Ben Affleck animation. Well played Ben Chinapen! Well played.
This movie was a game changer at the time. It had a massive pop culture impact and was everywhere that summer
I actually saw this really fucking kick-ass fanart of a batman '89 version of batman beyond, where he's still got a cape and the chest symbol is sort of a futuristic version of the iconic yellow bat
14:48, Billy Dee Williams would have been perfect as Two Face.
It absolutely holds up and is easily one of the best bat-movies imo
It was always my belief that it was Nicholson’s performance in “The Shining” that got him the part as the Joker.
"give us Batman Beyond set in the Burton universe"
there is no idea in all of fiction i would love to see more.
I'm watching this having just left the theater seeing The Shining for the first time... Jack is just terrifying.
Wha?! Whre was this retro cinema screening of The Shining, may we ask?!
In terms of the Cowl. In the first film it was made from natual latex, it's cheap and it's strong, but it wasn't breathable. The secound film used silcone which was lighter smoother and more breathable. This all came down to time and budget.
I felt so cool going to the theater to see Batman when I was 12
I remember fondly playing the movie game version on the Amiga by Ocean . I remember the insane batmobile grapple hook timing to turn corners, the tower scene at the end and that insane laugh box at the end of the game. Also, there was an end credit remix which included the remixed line " who are you?! I'm Batman.. who.. who.. who are you ? I'm Batman.. bat bat Batman!
Best Christmas ever