No one has ever seen the end of this cave.
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- Опубликовано: 20 авг 2024
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I think it’s even more interesting that how people act toward risk is more so how they act toward estimated or perceived risk (subjective), and not on the actual risk itself (objective).
In our lives it is very very rare to actually have a handle on objective risk - too many variables, and too many unknowns to really determine - so the vast majority of the time we are operating off of subjective risk. Subjective risk is informed by objective factors, but to varying amounts. Statistics can only get you so far.
There are many cases of “risk takers” having regret after a bad outcome, but also the “risk averse” regretting not having pushed further. This is indicative that we are operating off of subjective risk, and that with further data, we (even as individuals) can have different subjective risk assessments of the “same” situation.
I would very much disagree with the binary manner that you presented these groups (risk takers and risk avoiders), and would say that it is much more of a spectrum that everyone is always sliding along and finding their place. Everyone isn’t either agoraphobic or a madcap. The vast majority of people are somewhere in between. The cognitive dissonance of finding a balance between these extremes is a fundamental part of being human, both individually and communally.
That's so true. Because we don't actually know how to calculate risk. And when we do we can really only calculate it for ourselves based on our own abilities. There's nothing wrong with being risk averse and there's nothing wrong with taking risk. It's wildly personal as long as you're not putting other people within your boundaries of risk.
The simple comment is often made, that's too risky. And I have no idea what that means. Too risky for what? For who? What's the risk and what am I risking? Even if it's very risky as far as threatening death is concerned is that good or bad?
People will sit on their couches super depressed almost to the point of suicide watching videos of other people's lives expressing concern for the risk that we are taking. While we in good health and good attitudes explore the Great outdoors.
It's not something I ever thought about until making this videos and reading through RUclips comments the evaluation of risk and danger and how various people feel about it. Some of the logic and illogic.
* most of the time when I'm talking on video I am rambling and have not given much thought to it. Just trying to explore ideas that come up. It never once occurred to me that what I am doing has any risk at all. Or that should be anything but fun until I started reading RUclips comments and people were affected. Took me a while to understand even what they were talking about.
So you like caving enough to go into these small spaces where I would die of a heart attack if ever in the caves you go to. So is the fun factor higher than the nervousness/scared feelings you say you get sometimes?
Hie there ,Do you have any podcast or featured in any please let me know i am many questions I wonder i can get the answers 🙏
@@gertpacu3926I think it’s pretty clear what his answer is, otherwise he would not continue caving. If he was getting paid, MAYBE he would continue doing something he didn’t like, but since it is a hobby, I think it stands to reason that the enjoyment factor (for him) surpasses any anxiety. And remember…anxiety can be like a drug, as some people actually chase the feeling of fear. Blood pressure rises, the heart beats faster, perspiration begins, eyes dilate due to the adrenaline response, etc…and those symptoms can (for some folks) feel like getting high.
Similarly, while having a heart attack certainly COULD happen, you might surprise yourself if you tried something like this. Fear is filled with irony, in that we can overcome most fears (even irrational ones) if we are steadfast in our commitment to not let fear rule us, but that also means taking steps to minimize the effect that fear has on us. Similarly, our bodies (and minds) are more powerful than we give them credit for. The actual likelihood of you having a heart attack and dying, if you were in a confined area, is small. You might have an anxiety attack, and all the symptoms associated with it, including FEELING like you’re going to die, but the phrase “scared to death” is just that…a phrase. The likelihood of actually dying from fear is really, really small. But yeh…I get it. I’m claustrophobic too, but working to train myself to have a different response to the fear I feel when in confined spaces.
"I don't have a death wish. I have a life wish." Gave me chills when you said that. I have always said "being alive is not the same thing as living". I admire what you do and am so glad to see you have instilled your love of caving to your kids!
Many people believe they can preserve their life by avoiding dangers. But to me, that's wasting your life, since on some level everything becomes dangerous.
And there is now almost a permanent cultural divide along these lines. Staying alive versus living. You do need both, but living is a lot more fun and more fun and interesting.
@Even Darker I don't think it's the dying that freaks people out, so much as the type of death. Like, a skydiving death would be pretty rapid and everything before that would feel like freedom. I dunno.
@@EvenDarkeryou are correct, sir. Another important point: never trade your freedom for "protection" or "saftey". That always leads to tyranny. And the fact that these big companies can censor your content is a crime against humanity just like these past lockdowns and mandates were a crime.
Great opinions and comments about life and safety. 100% agree! Super camera work as always. Keep up the awesome videos and have a good day.
Thank you. I'm loving the new 2 in 1 feature on my phone. That gives you a forward view and a reverse view at the same time. Good for walking around.
@@EvenDarker Yes, that's a great feature I noticed. Is that the director view in the newer Samsung phones? I upgraded my phone over the summer and it has been amazing on my hikes as well.
I know our paths will cross someday, since I have started a personal health journey to do 52 hikes in 52 weeks mainly in the Columbia River Gorge and surrounding areas.
Grow up , get married, have children, raise children, play all day with da children , & when they old enough, grab a bike & ride , da beach awaits, beautiful & sweet, 🏝 happy! : ) even marrying not necessarily the right one ! still had fun galore , life : )
@@proudchristian77 Grow up, don't tell others how to live, end of; *everyone* happy : )
I am absolutely horrified of caves and love to watch the tight squeezes. I really like the way you reduce the stigma on "safety" in regards to cave exploration. Keep up the great content
Thank you!
First video of yours I’ve found. Wanted to share something my scoutmaster told me. There was never a safe option. Just the illusion of safety. The only real safety you have is recognizing the risk in each option, making your choice and aligning yourself to do Your best with that choice. What is really risky is believing that there is any such thing as safety. The beautiful thing is that when you accept the risk and take it head on, you realize you are a lot stronger then you thought. You won’t need the illusion of safety to carry you through. You will become your own safety. Thanks for your thoughts. Be safe in the life you choose.
"There was never a safe option." Love it.
Almighty God is safe & trying to get us to walk better & love Him & obey Him , but He is truly safe ! 💒👣💝
Accepting risks and overcoming challenges is fine. The problem is when people take it head on without fully understanding the dangers involved. Which may be part of living on the edge, it's also how people get killed doing something recklessly.
That CAN be true, but stepping out your front door adds risk to your life. All things have inherent risk, even something as simple as eating. Some actions carry an acceptable risk (like, say, eating), but that’s where the objective and subjective becomes fuzzy. What is acceptable risk for one person might not be for another person and as long as nobody is forced to swallow somebody else’s subjectivity then all is hunky dory. Besides…for me, personally, I would rather live with a little risk, and really LIVE, than stay on the couch and never truly LIVE.
One of the best caving channels and I would love a tutor like you very much you seem very trustworthy and genuinely compassionate and humble....couldn't ask for more in an instructor. Thanks for the great content!
Thank you and you are welcome!
That philosophy speech at the end is so so true. Although your hobby freaks me out, more power to ya. Live your life man. I have a neighbor that's legit worried about the world and didn't come out much. After covid hit, we'll let's just say if you didn't know she lived there you'd think it was just a single dad living there. So so sad
I shall not waste my days trying to preserve them.
Still keeping my eyes peeled and fingers crossed to spot a curious Sasquatch stalking you in the background.
We're looking too.
This is an incredibly underrated channel, especially for that message at the end. I needed that.
Thank you and you are welcome
really eye opening talk at the end, liked it a lot!
Master of your destiny, fantastic video. Still "watching" my way through all the content (both channels) and enjoying immensely. Truly appreciate the words of wisdom and adventure. Regards to Jacob and the fam, be well!
Thank you so much! Appreciate your words and your interest.
I do think it's master of your own destiny. I'm uncertain, but this may the only way to lead a successful and happy life.
"Everyone dies, not everyone lives" So true!
It's a quote from a movie but rings very true. For all of us.
Wise words to live by
I like to say: I’m immortal until it’s time to not be anymore. Until then, there’s no sense living life in a way that makes you feel dead.
And a life that makes you feel dead can vary wildly according to perception! I can get a buzz seeing a beautiful flower in the garden, or a lovely old country Pub; stuff other people maybe don't notice, they miss out. It's all subjective, all smoke & mirrors. :)
-Drake
I am glad there are people like you that will show the rest of us places where we will NEVER, EVER go.
Thank you, and please stay safe.
You're speech you gave at the end just gets more relevant as time goes by. Coming from someone in the UK
It's a strange time to be alive. But I think a privilege. Decent people are needed and we can do that.
The end of this video with you walking through the woods was spot on. Well said my good man. Well said!
Thank you!
You are smart and crazy. I listened to your rant of wisdom at the end, and I am in complete agreement with you!
the backround music was a nice touch :) ... thank you for this niche content. Keep it safe, please ... in any case -> Great stuff, man!
432 and chill vibes - the voice
Great philosophy my friend.💯 Iv been binging on these second channel vids ever since I found it last night. I think you are right about life and how we should live it, we are long enough dead! Safe travels ✌️
I love your statement about having a "life wish." I'm someone that enjoys getting out in nature, exploring, taking photos, and experiencing life outside of my suburban box. But all too often, my family complains that I'm taking unnecessary risks by doing so by myself. But I enjoy my solitude. It's quiet and I can move at my own pace. My life, let me live it at the level of risk I wish.
There is no safe option. Staying home is not safer than going out in the wild.
Or said a different way, "If you think the price of risk is too high, wait until the bill for never taking risks comes due."
@Even Darker exactly. I go to work every day and look at all the beautiful scenery from my car, wishing I had more time to get out in it and take photos.
I really liked the talk at the end. I live to live. Keep livin how you feel most alive.
Also at 14 min 54 sec. You passed what looked like a cave entrance.
You cant live if youre not alive.
But life has little value if you are not living it.
Both sides have to be considered but whichever way you lean can put you at odds with folks who lean the other way.
Absolutely incredible in both the cave and the editing. Almost thought this was a main channel upload from the editing!
Thank you! It was the original intention to put it on the main page. I will return to this cave and finish it.
@@EvenDarker Looking forward to it!
Id rather you guys stay safe, know your limits, and keep making vids. These are super enjoyable, and if something happened, I know I would be crestfallen.
It's emotional limits that keep me from exploring caves some days. You really have to be mentally in the game.
Have you ever had that ohhh shit I messed up moment while caving? You are very brave sir, I love the channel
Not to any large degree but there are plenty of times we make mistakes. I rarely think of anything as trouble I usually think of it as a short adventure if I have a problem.
@@EvenDarker Understood!! Man this is cool to see you going into these places exploring this beautiful creation. Stay safe man
Dude I genuinely love that commentary at the end!!
“I do not have a death wish but I do have a life wish”
Beautifully said my friend. Love all your videos and hope you can make it out to south Texas some day and check out our caves.
It really is a cultural phenomena. I mean, there are people who want to live and there are people who want to avoid death. Would love to convince folks that there are good ways and bad ways to go about doing that but it seems no one is altered from their base life philosophy.
People agree with us and enjoy our show or they disagree and hate it. So when I talk I'm really just trying to put words to how we all already feel.
@@EvenDarker Covid really brought out to the light who wants to live vs those who want to survive… I do demolition for a living and 2020 was my busiest year I’ve ever had. I was out and about the whole time (mostly by myself) while everyone hunkered down. I have no interest in surviving… I want to live. So much to this life and so many experiences worth chasing. It’s a mindset that some just don’t have.
Said by many who were in the extreme sports world and are no longer with us.
@@sidefalling Covid literally killed hundreds of thousands and caused permanent damage to more. But sure. You aren't living either - you spent that time working.
@@corail53 wasn’t looking for a debate… just a conversation amongst 2 people.
I’d love to check out that beautiful forest!
It's very pretty when the moss is lush and green. The lava bed is unique in that it has an extremely high saturation of caves.
If safety is all that matters people would literally do nothing. I haven’t played sports in the past year and My mental health really took a hit. So I assessed my risks and decided to start going out to play sports with my friends again. Good points
Yeah I think that is what many people are missing. The fact that true safety is literally impossible. Is that even the safest among us are everyday taking risks. The longer a society is on lockdown the higher the risk of people losing their tempers and exploding or suffering from depression.
BRO!!! LOVE the Energy, love the mentality, Love the SOUL!!! Fantastic content. Especially this one, I've been binging you guys a bit.. but this one threw the idea; Keep doing Exactly what you are doing...you can make the Walk-Out Talks a whole other sub-channel to the mains to further and foundationialize your future speaking gigs...so the actual in cave vids end on the exit hole. Love the narration, and I'm sure I'm not the only one, but I really like when you get on that flow talk state..✌😁🤜🏻💥🤛🏻
Thank you so much for all the encouragement. We like this channel for the walking and talking. In the end there is only so much we have time for. mostly, we just like the cave. Lord knows I do like to talk though. ; )
'foundationialize your future speaking gigs..' - Lordy; is not caving fun enough?! 🤣
The countryside/ area you are in is beautiful. I live in Northumberland, England and we are known for our countryside. Where you are I'm jealous, totally fascinated that these caves exist. Thank you for sharing your experiences with us
You're welcome. That's what I tell Jacob is we need to film everything because there are people all over the world that don't have any of the things we have.. The trees the rivers everything.
Just like I watch stuff in the United Kingdom with fascination. Castles and the rolling hills I just can't get enough of
So inspiring. I love this channel.
Thank you.
I used to believe I had claustrophobia, now I just think my anxiety leads me to overthink things. If I was more fit, had the proper equipment, and had an experience tour guide, I'd love to try out some caves by repelling or climbing down. Though I think I'd prefer something spacious where I can repel as normal and won't have to lay on my belly when exploring, mostly for comfort reasons as I would want to get more experienced first.
Anyways, excellent video and thank you for the content.
Using “comfort” and “caving” in the same paragraph is interesting. Thanks for watching.
I just stumbled on both your channels and man, i have a new addiction... Though immensely claustrophobic myself, I just cannot stop looking at your squeezy adventures! Next to the amazing and creepy places you crawl in, you both are very nice and fun people to watch! 🤗 I am a fan! ❤
Cool. Welcome to the dark frontier.
@@EvenDarker thank you! 🤗
I agree enjoy your life to the fullest. Do what you enjoy! If I wasn't so claustrophobic I'd go caving but I am claustrophobic!
I don't worry about putting myself at risk, but putting others at risk is very different.
Thats honorable and its a conversation worth having. Thank you for your input.
Watching a year later, was nice to hear that last half. Keep on trucking man 🤙🏻
I appreciate what you went thru to show the inside of a place that I would have never seen if you hadn’t did that. But I must say I can’t believe what your willing to crawl thru.
It's so fun! Thank you for your kind words.
Great opinions shared, mate! ❤ Thank you 🙏
You did the right thing not going further into that deep tight zone alone. This sport is very safe if are responsible
I've clearly been watching a lot of your videos lately, pretty addictive... but i absolutely love your thoughts on safety. I've been keeping myself at home for a couple 3 years now. Not because of "the virus" but... I'm just getting more and more... nervous around people... This has given me a lot to think about. Thanks for sharing your wisdom.
Well we are out here because there are no people. One of the drawers of caving is it's a sport in which very few people participate.
But... anxiety is fear and fear is tormenting. And that's no fun. I do hope you find your way out of that maze as much as possible. And maybe a bit which is impossible.
Couldn't agree more with your opinions on 'risk' vs 'life'. At the end of the day, if someone wants to hide in their house and avoid any potential risk, that's fine with me... HOWEVER, don't tell me how to live my life (or force me to do something I don't feel comfortable doing) because it doesn't perfectly align with your personal stance on life
I shall not waste my life trying to preserve it.
I admire your courage to speak about such topics.....
Speak your truth, in an honorable and decent way, and then just take what's coming.
Very few people have made a huge difference in life by being silent. Some though!
Great video and your views on "safety." However, I think I would have a hard time going though those tight squeezes as I am totally claustrophobic and need to be able to take a deep breath. HAHA. No problems at all for me on the side of a snow covered mountain, flying in small planes or riding my bike down hills at 50 mph. IMO, the stuff I enjoy is perfectly safe and is safer than my car ride to the office :)
Well, you guys are uploading quickly. I also see that your editing is getting better.
Thank you. We've been doing a lot more caving because Jacob hasn't had school. Caving is much harder in the Winter time.
My favorite quote is a quote of a quote lol. Jurassic park 2 the lost world , Roland Tembo replies to Nick VanOwen when asked "The animal exists on the planet for the first time in tens of millions of years and the only way you can express yourself is to kill it?" .
He says. "Remember that chap about twenty years ago? I forget his name. Climbed Everest without any oxygen, came down nearly dead. When they asked him, they said why did you go up there to die? He said I didn't, I went up there to live."
That line is profound👏
"I will not waste my days trying to prolong them."
Is a quote that our culture does not generally live by.
I have been struggling to find my purpose in life and what brings me joy… your video really got to me and thank you for that 🙏 the part about preserving life just to live is what stood out to me the most.
I agree, I don’t want to preserve my life just so I can work and break my body till I hopefully have enough money to go out and enjoy retirement and hopefully my body isn’t too broken by that point.
I want to live, explore our beautiful earth, connect with nature and wildlife, I want to feel alive.
Thank you for the video and also the kind message 🙏
Well thank you for the wonderful comment. Truly being alive doesn't mean somebody has to do something difficult or strange like caving. But certainly, no one's going to get to the end of their life and think back and wish they spend more time at the office.
@@EvenDarker thank you for taking the time to reply 🙏😊
You hit the nail on the head at the 12:00 minute mark! Well said. I WOULD RATHER TAKE A RISK AND LIVE!!!
Truer words have not been heard from this point to the end of the video.
Thank you for putting a lot of people's feelings into words.
There is no safe option. Life does not offer or promise lack of risk. There are certainly ways we can increase risk but there are not ways that we can get risk to plummet to a satisfactory low option.
Dude is the definition of chilled.
I’ve never gone caving as I don’t really like tight spaces at all, but I used to be an avid rock climber years back. It’s been a while since I’ve done it, after years of studying at university and life “getting in the way” as they say, but watching this video has really impacted me. You are so right about safety and life in general. Think it’s time to get my climbing shoes back on. Thanks man 🙏🏻
There is no safe option.
@@EvenDarker wise words brother 🤟🏻
@@EvenDarker I see you've incorporated a subscribers saying into your comments. And for that, you've earned my sub 10 fold. I've never been more confident in subscribing to someone as I have you. I know you got amazing videos coming and I absolutely cannot wait to see them, so keep it up and excercise caution! (since safety was never an option LOL)
"However, it's officially terrible as well."
kekw. too funny.
I agree with you on the interpretation of safety Caveman. I wounder how many people who comment on your safety are sitting at home having a cigarette & risking the agonizing & slow death of Lung Cancer. I have always enjoyed extreme activities & i'm a motorbike rider. But if i make one mistake one day at over 200km per hour. I'd like my little plaque to say... "He always did what he loved with out fear."
Deciding to not go further in the cave is a lot more than many instagrammers who take stupid risks for a cool photo and end up seriously injured or dead.
We do take risks but we do not take risks for the pleasure of our viewing audience. And we want to show the truth. The truth is sometimes you have to know your limits. Sometimes the truth is boring.
Discretion is the better part of Valor....
I live where winter and ice are a thing. I could get injured or die every time I step outside my front door, even just heading to work in the morning(not even fun involved) if I slip on the ice and crank my head.
It doesn't mean I just stay at home because it's safer.
To me, safety is about mitigating some risks, but not completely avoiding them. I have never been caving but I've worked in some pretty claustrophobic conditions here and there, some say they could be considered unsafe, but just like caving, it's about educating oneself and having the correct gear, and mindset to go with the conditions.
Keep up the great content!
Well cold temperatures are a real unseen enemy. These caves are about freezing year round.
There is no way to properly evaluate risk for anyone but yourself, in my opnion. This has only been problematic for society recently when there are problems which cause people to fall on divided sides of a risk line. So at least, the topic of risk and safety have become extremely valid, if contentious.
I would even argue that lines of risk can almost predetermine a person's political persuasion. Which is really crazy even if there is only a grain of truth to the idea.
Thx for explaining your Safety guidelines, really good to hear and I beleive you. That was impressive in my view, how if it doesn't seem to be the right time, then trust your instincts and just turn around. Thx again. 👍
I appreciate the honesty in this video. I wonder does the camera now help you remain calm n balanced now you been doing it for so long? You probably have saved a few lives with these videos tbh with all your instructions n guides so your a legend and tbh u got nothing to prove by doing every cave 100%
For the record I will return to this cave! Very often we have to go multiple times to get ourselves into the correct mentality and bring the correct gear. But usually not near the beginning!
Yes the camera helps. To a point. It helps the mild lonely feeling of being in the darkness. It creates an unseen encouraging audience. But if it gets really difficult then it's just the equipment that is hard to use. Now and then we have to set it down for safety.
Great video and great input. I live in Alaska, and many of the activities I enjoy aren't "safe" either, but I wouldn't have it any other way. Cheers to the adventures
Interesting cave. It is hard to comprehend the distances you all crawl. Maybe you could cover the amount of conditioning you feel is necessary to be safe within the average cave with much crawling. I see that your father goes at his age and that's impressive as well. Thanks for taking us along and providing insight on your decision making.
It's something like running. You simply run until you're tired. Except in a cave, you have to save a little bit of energy to get out.
I wouldn't go in there without a bunch of dynamite.
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Welcome to the dark frontier
Great talk. Thank you for sharing!
The P.I.P looks great! Love watching your videos, so informative and for someone just crawling through a hole, it never gets boring! You've inspired me to give this a shot myself, I've come to realise in my work I squeeze through alot of tight spots in roof cavities. This would be very similar, thankyou for all the info to keep safe and alive! Can't wait for the next video.
It's just one step at a time in the caves. Go in a cave and then if you find a small spot, stick your head in. You never know what you might find! Maybe something dangerous! Hopefully.
@@EvenDarker I do have a GoPro, so I will stick that In a few spots also, should definitely come in handy. Thanks so much for replying!
Awesome! Thanks for all your hard work to show us these interesting places.
You are certainly welcome.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety - Benjamin Franklin.
What do you think about crowded cities? As the world becomes more crowded it's entirely possible that viruses persist. Maybe people who commute on the New York Subway always should have wore masks? Folks in crowded areas have become their own petri dish.
I am not against having a conversation about some of the safety protocols for crowded areas at least. I've always lived in the country because I don't want more regulations on my life. The price I pay is there are less conveniences. Maybe the price to pay for living in crowded areas is more health regulations.
@@EvenDarker Mandating masks is one thing, mandating vaccines is another. You'll end up with a two tier society, a segregated one, and the denial of body autonomy. I always thought that the vaccine helps you in respect to the worst effects of the virus not that it stops you from transmiting the virus or contracting it?
@@elih9700 Do you think the state would get a better response if they simply asked folks to consider vaccinations rather than requiring it to keep their jobs?
@@EvenDarker That's a difficult question. What do you mean by 'the state'? It's not a simple question. By impulse, I would answer no, at least I would hold myself aloof.
"...I shall not waste my days in trying to prolong them...” - Jack London
Good choice in rig at the start, keep these videos up, I'm hooked!
Is my truck in this video? I can never remember. Thank you! I have a hydraulic camper on the back. It's the strangest thing.
you’re a very wise man! Godspeed caveman!
It isn't about safety, it is about risk. Risk is the concept we need to consider.
What are we risking?
How do I decide the amount of risk I should take?
Should people be able to decide the amount of risk others are allowed to take?
Since you talk about safety in this video I'm gonna comment here what I would otherwise have placed under one of the other 7 or 8 of your videos I watched in the last two days. I have no interested or business in caving whatsoever. RUclips got me here, I think after I watched a couple of (near) deadly diving accidents out of sheer engineering curiosity and thrill. That John Johnson case was one of the first caving videos I watched and I have to say I had no idea what caving was about and I, too, was shaking my head in disbelief upon the recklessness I witnessed. I went on to see cave-diving videos and finally ended up on your channel. Not quite by accident because I felt a surge to hear some explanation about what is going on made by a pro. Among the many diving/cavediving/caving videos I saw, your videos (all of them) in contrast to all the others are building up confidence in me about what it is you do, about why and how you do it and about where the limits and dangers are and how you avoid them. So I just want to point out that I think you're doing great work. Not just the caving but the public message you send even more so. I, too, do dangerous things (by far not as dangerous as what you do) but I get the same negative comments and sometimes this sort of unbelieving admiration. It was a pleasure to watch your content, it changed the first impression of caving I got into a positive impression. As an aerospace engineer I can very much relate to your concept of safety and the danger-avoiding principles you use. Also, I think you are right about this widening gap between a (surprisingly large) group of our population that try to avoid any perceived risk at any costs and the other, smaller group, who seem to have something in their lifes that makes them happy and who therefor are willing to take risks. And I think it is true that people like you, who are aware of risks and willingly navigating (around) them are actually far more safe than the people never questioning the actual nature of all the perceived risks they fear. On the other hand there also seem to be a lot of reckless people exploring caves in a very excited way, ignoring all the dangers and most often getting out alive by sheer luck. You find those people in everything you do and I see that is them who are constantly feeding water on the wheels of those who would like to see all "dangerous" activities shut down. It is making me furious to hear that it has already gotten so far that even your valuable, educational and fascinating content is being cancelled.
Yeah we've been blocked in a lot of sites. It's bizarre to us but we live in a time where a lot of bad things are called good and good things are called bad. If you can be decent and influence the people around you, you're living a good life. Maybe most of the internet on the hole is a bit of a trash basket. Seems to collect a lot of stupid content that even if there's good content out there and good people doing good things it's buried in a sea of piss. So the whole thing ends up stinking.
Your videos are amazing, Thank you so much for taking your time to make these videos for us!
I never knew I was claustrophobic until I was put in an MRI machine for 45 minutes and for some reason I’m drawn to these videos of people who seem to thrive in small spaces but I suppose that’s where we all came from.
Excuse me? It wasn't just us. I've had DNA analysis.
To verify I was 100% Human. Because some people
can be linked to the Ice Age Neanderthals. Science
obtained DNA from their bones. Found in the cave
graves those humanoids had dug. Along with grave
goods. Which tells you what about another species?
At least we know which one has had laws to punish
whoever has sex with another species.
The thought of being in those tunnels just ....no thank you...I can't imagine this being what gives you a rush...
love both your channels. Stay safe and keep the great content coming!
Thanks and we will!
I don't know how you film inside their that good you're like a magician you got the best videos I've ever seen inside of A Cave ,,
Thank you. Taking video is very difficult inside these caves. Not to mention it's freezing and I can never feel my fingers
I've been watching your videos on both channels for a long time now. The first video I watched was hell hole and I was terrified I'm not gonna lie but now months later I want to go caving and can't find anyone else willing to go with me. I'm more worried about being safe and having someone there as back up then the tightness of the cave. I no longer suffer from the claustrophobia I once thought I did. Keep up the good work.
It's very niche. It's hard to find people to go caving with. groups assemble online and on Facebook. If you can find them!
They say that to make it seem like the right thing to do, but kids are not at risk.
It was certainly a problematic situation for a very long time. It changed my perspective on governments and our nation and I don't think I will ever be the same.
Lots of great knowledge in this one. LOVE IT
Always pumped when i watch know your out but i think myself in there. Getting panic 😬
In the tightest part of the cave, from what i saw, your demeanor was that of walking through a park. I wouldve panicked lol
Technically, caves are considered parks! Like a state protected preserve.
I think you’re super tough and brave, regardless. It seems like a good thing to follow your intuition and if you don’t feel like it...maybe there’s a reason beyond what is apparent. I think part of being awesome is being smart, and I think you have that in spades.
I don’t envy what your clothing budget must be. 😅
Also wanted to say thanks for sharing your thoughts about the risks of what you do and how it relates to our culture’s expectations and taboos. There will always be people who think someone is insane for putting themself into a scenario that they view as a phobia situation. People who are afraid of snakes might think that of someone who handles dangerous snakes.
I guess what I’m trying to say, is that we shouldn’t judge the merits or danger of what someone else does based on how we would feel in that situation. I would be terrified to crawl into those caves, but I trust and respect that you know what you are doing, and have considered things beyond my understanding in deciding what is worth it to you.
I hope that made sense. Haha. Sometimes people do dumb things without thinking. But you obviously go about things very smartly. People just need to have a little more faith that others actually know what they are doing.
I will return to this cave with a better plan. And probably less gear. Thanks for your thoughtful comments I hope other people read them.
@@EvenDarker As much as I hope for your channels to grow and reach the sky-perhaps reach the core is a better metaphor-it is nice when a channel is at the size where they can still actively read and respond to comments.
That’s one thing that I think huge channels lack. Not because they don’t care. There’s just not enough time in a day to keep up. I post comments on them and know the creator will never see them.
So again, I really appreciate your replies. 🙏🏻
I appreciate what you said. I think it's very insightful.
I have to take a Xanax each video I watch of your hikes, love your videos
We are a little bit your prescription.
You guys are awesome! Be safe in your explorations!
Thank you!
Maybe!
Very true, "memento mori." Never a matter of if only when. Can't say I share the same dream but I sure do respect the hell out of y'all for living it! Haters will hate, keep rocking steady brother. \m/
I love my dad but caveman hikes feels like a dad to me he should start a podcast i could listen to him talk all day
Thank you. I'll try to keep the speeches coming on this channel.
There are people like this in my life I call them "fathers not our fathers."
Oh my Gosh. I haven't watched you guys in a few and instant clostrophobic for me lol.
I take a piece of flagging tape and a sharpie and tie it somewhere inside the entrance that I’m in the cave.
Just recently found ur first channel and the link to ur 2nd channel. Love the videos bro ! And mad respect for this video cause u didn’t have to put this video out there and u did pretty cool
Thank you. I find all too often people are afraid to show their weaknesses and fears. But it's the most human experience. We may look tough, but we are not. We are however, out here havin a good time!
Loved the commentary, don't let anyone tell you how to live your life. The people who tell you this, have no life. At least you will go out doing what you love.
If I say "Don't let anyone tell you how to live your life:" Isn't that telling someone had a live their life?
It's veeeeery tricky trying to leave people alone. We're all very bad at it. I believe we have a cultural problem with boundaries and imposing our will on others.
Since we all speak in terms of you should or you could... Wind up having a culture that homogenizes its activities and efforts. We all dressed the same and drive the same cars...
Originality and creativity can die this way. I have to just choose the way I would like to live life, and at the risk of being weird, cut most opinions out.
Thanks again for sharing your comments and adventures. @@EvenDarker
Nice bit of wisdom to ponder on for the day.
I remember spelunking once when I was 12 and it was the best experience ever. I really wish to do it again.
good way of explaining it man loved that
He’s right. Filming inside a cave would be hell, the cameras are huge
Well and its hell because my fingers are always freezing.
Loved your talk at the end
Thank you!
True, my job is physical. In the past employees that were new or veterans that had done the job for a long time were taken advantage of and injuries and deaths were the result. Now it’s so SAFE that the necessary work, which prevents much greater hazards like explosions, can’t be done by employees. We have specialist contractors who don’t know the facility as well come and do our work for a lot more money and a lot less frequently. Employees SAFE jobs are so boring that they don’t pay attention or even recognize some hazards. Disaster. We tend to live up to what people expect of us. Treat us like irresponsible children and that’s what you get. Prisons and mental hospitals.
It's also true. I mean we'd like to prevent accidents accidents and not necessarily do needlessly needlessly dumb things. But risk is so personal that if you create more safety people will just find more hazards.
That's not anecdotal, there's lots of good evidence for that.
Wow Nice Cave.
I Really Enjoyed watching your video, Like allways.
Thanks again for sharing your passion with the world.
Your Friend From Québec.
Heaven
The one thing I always wonder about caving, how often do you run into wild animals down in them? I'd shit myself if I was crawling through something like this then suddenly start hearing some animal hissing/growling
I've never encountered any larger animals. A couple of racoons. Maybe a skunk. Most of the animals that get in caves are there by accident and generally die quickly. We find dead animals.
@@EvenDarker Dang that's unfortunate for the little critters :\ good to hear it's not that common to come across one though, one fear scratched off the many I have of going caving haha Love the videos!
I would faint if I saw a snake T-T
People like you have to be mentally strong.. even Jacob anyone that can couch themselves out of a tight scary situation like this is very strong and brave mentally and will do well in life.
I think caving teaches a mental strength. It has taught me that though I am sometimes afraid, that doesn't need to be a hard boundary. And the best weapon I have against that kind of fear is patience. If you are patient, you can get through a problem. If you are impatient, you're going to have a bad time.
That is a very very difficult lesson.
Glad to know you have limits, I can relate a little better lol.
I did go back and complete this cave! I think I might put the 2 videos together and send them over to the main channel.
@@EvenDarker Heck yeah! Limitless! Love to watch 'em. Huge fan.
I can’t get enough of your content. I’m now onto the second channel! I would love to try caving, but I’m claustrophobic, and have experienced severe anxiety in the past. But, If I could learn to stay calm, and control negative thoughts in a cave, I’d feel like I could do anything. Do you ever have times where anxiety rears it’s ugly head? I bet meditation would be a useful thing to learn whilst caving!
When anxiety rears its ugly head I go caving.
We are generally down here because it is peaceful and quiet and free from the stresses of life. Partly because it is challenging and will take your focus off whatever else it is on.
No thanks, gymnastics and crawling in caves are two things my body is not built for. Hats off to you man, I don't know how your dragged your huge balls through the cave.
you go cave man i just started watching your videos and now im stuck you awesome
Cool thank you! Welcome to whatever this is.
Honestly surprised you went alone. I thought that was a big no no
If I ever run into trouble, I'll let you know.
@@EvenDarker ok sounds good, I’ll always just be a hop, skip, and a jump away😉
This is like an extreme game of Nightcrawlers
We worm our way through life.